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Famously, the philosopher Adorno stated after the Second World War, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
"No more poetry is possible after Auschwitz." | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
In the decade that followed the war, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
avant-garde composers tried to prove Adorno wrong. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
Their music may not always have struck listeners as poetic, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
but its inner purpose was often as profound | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
as its expression was esoteric. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
Composers are seeking emblems of the sacred, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:28 | |
trying to express the unsayable. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
In the early years of modernism, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
composers had torn up centuries-old conventions | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
of melody, harmony and rhythm. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
After the war, they went further. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
They invented a new musical language that tried to express the unsayable, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
and come to terms with the horrors they'd witnessed at first hand. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
Boulez and Stockhausen and Nono | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
and Xenakis were looking back at musical history and saying, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
"You know, we want to wipe the slate clean." | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
For many listeners, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:01 | |
the new language of music was simply unintelligible, even unbearable. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
The chasm that resulted between what modernist composers wanted to write | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
and what the mainstream audience wanted to hear, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
had never been wider. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
I hated it that people didn't like what I was doing, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
but I was determined to go on doing it until they did. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
This is the story of one of the most controversial periods | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
in the history of music. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
Welcome to the avant-garde. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
One of the most extraordinary premieres in 20th-century music | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
happened on a cold January night in 1941, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
in the prisoner of war camp | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
Stalag VIII-A, in Germany. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
And it was the first performance | 0:02:11 | 0:02:12 | |
of Olivier Messiaen's Quartet For The End Of Time. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
Messiaen had been taken prisoner during the German invasion in 1940. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
He knew several musicians in the camp. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
Their instruments were clarinet, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
violin and cello. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
He himself played piano. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
Messiaen's Quartet was to prove vastly influential, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
but in a way no-one present at its premiere | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
could possibly have imagined. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
In the three decades after the Quartet's first performance, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
composers taught by Messiaen - | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
Boulez, Stockhausen, Xenakis - | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
would reconfigure the rules of music | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
in one of the most ruthlessly experimental periods | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
in the whole history of music. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
The seeds of the avant-garde movement were sown | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
in the cataclysm of the 1940s. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
What these composers had been through | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
in the last years of the Second World War, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
you can't help feeling that their experiences must have affected | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
what they wrote subsequently. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
Xenakis having part of his face blown off. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
Ligeti losing much of his family in the Holocaust. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
Stockhausen, as a medical orderly, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
witnessing indescribably horrible things. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
Trying to feed water through a straw | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
to soldiers whose faces had melted away. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
Piling body upon body in a church that had become a morgue. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:15 | |
There was a kind of defiance, as if they were saying, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
"Well, all this lovely music | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
"that people created, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
"and all these wonderful systems and theories, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
"but, in the end, what kind of society do we have?" | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
The music didn't do anything at all to make it a better world. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
So let's rid ourselves of all of that | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
and just try and make music an abstraction. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
Boulez and Stockhausen and Xenakis were saying, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
"Not only can we not have | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
"melodies and harmony that has got a, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
"you know, a tonic that you always come back to," | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
but also Stockhausen said, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
"I can't have four regular beats in a bar | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
"because it makes me think of marching Nazis, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
"it makes me think of jackboots." | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
When Fascism had first emerged, in Italy and in Germany, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
it came with a high-minded promise to support and fund the arts. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
The preceding three decades had seen an explosion of modernism. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
Some of its practitioners now hoped | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
that Totalitarianism would look kindly on new music. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
Modern composers did have | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
a thorny relationship with the general public | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
and they thought that total, totalitarian leaders, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
in Italy as well, would give funds and support for this art form | 0:05:44 | 0:05:50 | |
in a way that a more democratic civilisation wouldn't. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
And so, at first, at least, they had high hopes for Fascism, sadly. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
And a composer like Stravinsky was still in the late '30s | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
going to Germany and having and conducting performances in Berlin. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
And there's a regrettable meeting between him and Mussolini | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
when he inscribed a score with very warm greetings to Il Duce. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
The Nazis' cultural policies turned out to be based on | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
banning works by those considered the enemies of the Third Reich. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
In 1938, the Nazis put on an exhibition they called | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
Degenerate Music - A Reckoning. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
It was a house of horrors presenting, for the last time, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
music that was now to be outlawed. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
Included was anything written by Jews, Communists, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
or African-Americans. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
Many composers played along with the regime. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Most controversially, Germany's greatest living composer, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
Richard Strauss. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
In 1933, he agreed to preside over the Third Reich's music policy. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
Strauss was in some cases, regrettably even, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
even shockingly willing to go along with the strictures of the regime. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
In other cases, less so. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
He dragged his feet in the matter of removing music | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
by Jewish composers from the repertory. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
He hated the idea that Mendelssohn could no longer be performed. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
The Nazis promoted the music of Aryan German composers - | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
Beethoven, Bruckner, Wagner - | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
as a soundtrack for their rallies | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
and a touchstone for their cultural values. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
But they wanted new music to have a modern, National Socialist twist. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
It was Goebbels who said, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
"What we need now in the '30s | 0:07:47 | 0:07:48 | |
"is a romanticism of steel." | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
It's a romanticism, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
it has to be modern | 0:07:52 | 0:07:53 | |
but it has to be approachable. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
It has to appeal to the people. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
The Nazis' policy on music was uncannily similar | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
to that adopted in the Soviet Union, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
in a rare meeting of totalitarian minds. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Stalin wanted to establish an absolutely modern, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
indeed modernist musical tradition | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
that would reflect Soviet, socialist ideology. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
So Stalin actually isn't harking back to, um, you know, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
Tchaikovsky or Glinka or Rimsky-Korsakov, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
he wants the composers of today, Shostakovich, Khachaturian, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
whoever, to, to be writing the music | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
that will become part of the people's consciousness | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
and serve Soviet ideology. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
The new style became known as Socialist Realism. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
I really think it was designed to be an opposition to modernism, yeah. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
Because modernism doesn't have | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
this relation to human experience, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
and therefore, it's de-humanized. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
Well, if you built a state for people, yeah, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
you want the people to enjoy the music, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
you can't present them with this de-humanised music | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
because they're not going to understand it, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
they're not going to love it, it will have no relation to their experience. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
Therefore, you have to write something exactly the opposite. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
The last worker in the factory has to be able to hum it | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
when he comes out of the concert hall or out of the opera house. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
Socialist Realism's most famous victim was Dmitri Shostakovich, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
a former child prodigy, born in 1906. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
He and fellow modernists | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
like Alexander Mosolov, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:48 | |
set about creating a revolutionary new style of music | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
for a revolutionary new style of society. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
By the early '30s, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:57 | |
Shostakovich had become the Soviet Union's star composer. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
He wrote this wonderful opera, Lady Macbeth Of Mtsensk District | 0:10:03 | 0:10:09 | |
and it had great success, it was feted as the first Soviet opera, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
even as the first socialist realist opera | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
and for two years everything was great - until Stalin came to see it. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
He was seen in his box at the Bolshoi Theatre | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
surrounded by members of the Politburo and Shostakovich | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
was perhaps hoping for a sign of approval and none came. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:34 | |
In fact, Stalin and the members of Politburo walked out | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
before the end of the opera and Shostakovich immediately felt very nervous. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
What Stalin had been watching was a hotchpotch of love, sex, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
betrayal and murder set in the last days of the Tsars. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
We don't really know what he disliked so much about it | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
and it's more likely that he actually disliked the sexual aspect | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
of it and the fact how it was produced, how it was presented. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
That there was a bed in the centre of the stage | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
and, prude as he was, he couldn't take this. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
And two days later there was this terrifying editorial. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
The most terrifying bad review in musical history, perhaps - | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
"Muddle instead of music" - | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
in the pages of Pravda which obviously reflected | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
Stalin's own sentiments, denouncing the opera as a deliberately | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
dissonant, muddled stream of sounds and asking whether something bad | 0:11:42 | 0:11:48 | |
might happen to the composer if he continued on this path. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
A month later, Shostakovich was summoned to meet | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
a cultural commissar, who advised to rein in his style. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
If he needed an example of what could happen to a composer | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
who defied the new policy, Alexander Mosolov, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
writer of The Iron Foundry, provided one. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
He resisted all attempts to make him write simpler music | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
and, in 1936, he was thrown out of the Union of Composers, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
and thus unable to earn a living. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
The next year, with Stalin's Great Purge | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
of counter-revolutionary elements in full swing, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
his enemies in the Union contrived to get him sent to a labour camp. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Against this background of show trials and summary executions, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
Shostakovich unveiled his Fifth Symphony. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
A note out of place could spell disaster. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
The Fifth Symphony was subtitled - | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
though probably not by Shostakovich himself - | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
A Soviet Artist's Reply To Just Criticism. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
What a change of direction the Fifth Symphony was. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
Not one move is in excess | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
and a piece which relates | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
so powerfully to all Russian music before then. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
There are oddities in it, these quotations from Bizet's Carmen, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
and possible references to Mussorgsky's Boris Godunov, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
the ultimate pageants of Russian suffering. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
Here was a possible hidden meaning. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
Mussorgsky's 1872 opera Boris Godunov | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
ends with the lament to Russia, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
"Flow, bitter tears," which is echoed in Shostakovich's symphony. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
That's really what he was relying on - | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
that knowledgeable listeners would be aware of the parallels | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
between what he was writing and specific moments in repertoire | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
of the past and the politicos would not be aware of those things. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
TRIUMPHANT FANFARE | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
Then there's this brutally triumphant finale which | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
people still constantly debate about to this day. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
Is it a celebration of Stalin? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
Is it a kind of secret denunciation | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
or kind of critical embodiment of the terror of his regime or | 0:15:06 | 0:15:12 | |
is it something in-between? | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
The Fifth Symphony was a triumph, luckily for Shostakovich. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
In 1941, during the Siege of Leningrad, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
his patriotic 7th Symphony was ecstatically received. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
But after the war, he found himself | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
under attack by the authorities all over again. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
Until his death in 1975, he was under constant threat | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
of further humiliation and disgrace. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
But remarkably, he kept his musical voice intact, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
while many others were beaten down by the oppression of the system, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
Alexander Mosolov among them. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Alexander Mosolov changed his style completely, altogether. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
He is unrecognisable. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
There's nothing left of, of himself, of his earlier self, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
after he spends seven months in a labour camp. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
But Shostakovich adjusted. He never lost his style. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
American composers, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
writers and artists were also coming under attack. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Not for ignoring socialist realism, but for embracing it. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
Do you permit us to cross-examine? | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
Are you a member of the Communist Party? | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
Or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
It's unfortunate and tragic that I have to teach this committee the | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
-basic principles... -That's not the question, that's not the question. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
In 1947, the House Un-American Activities Committee | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
opened its own show trial - | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
an investigation into supposed communist influence in Hollywood. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
Also in the Committee's sights was America's leading classical | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
composer, Aaron Copland. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
Brooklyn-born, the son of Lithuanian-Jewish immigrants, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Copland fashioned a series of all-American classics. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
That he should find himself targeted as un-American was | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
one of the many ironies of the Cold War. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
The seeds of the Red Scare are to be found two decades earlier, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
with the election of Franklin D Roosevelt, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
in the depths of the Depression. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
I pledge myself to a New Deal for the American people. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:43 | |
Roosevelt's massive job creation programme in the 1930s also | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
included the arts, which were generously funded. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
Many left-wing writers, artists and composers were put on the | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
government's payroll to help promote the social aims of the New Deal. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
This was all perfect for Copland because, first of all, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
that was his own political orientation | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
but it also allowed him to create this populist style that had | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
a little bit of a political focus | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
and so it makes this pieces which could be a little bit cliched - | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
Billy the Kid, Rodeo, Appalachian Spring, Lincoln Portrait, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
the Fanfare For The Common Man. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
Under the surface, you actually find some pointed political messages that | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
were in tune with what many American leftists were pursuing at that time. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:49 | |
When the Depression hit, it was such a shock for the country that | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
all artists, including composers, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
changed their voice and they became very populist because, you know, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:17 | |
the country was in desperate conditions | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
and for some reason a kind of very personal, confrontational | 0:19:21 | 0:19:27 | |
avant-garde way of expressing things just didn't seem right | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
when people were starving in the streets, which is what they were. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
As he saw the impending menace of the Depression, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
of all of the political antagonism taking place in the world, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
he realised, as all of his left-leaning composer friends did, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
that music had to have a purpose and he took on the purpose of | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
creating a language that Americans could identify as American. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:01 | |
And he did it by putting together music which came from Jewish | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
music, from black music, from Latino music, from folk songs of | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
so many different varieties and that becomes the mixture that | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
Copland uses really as a political tool during the days that precede | 0:20:12 | 0:20:18 | |
the Second World War, to create a musical language that Americans | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
will recognise as being American and help them to rally together | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
to deal with the social, political consequences of their time. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
Even a Copland ballet score about a fabled American outlaw | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
contained political grit amongst the nostalgia. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
Billy the Kid is this renegade in this Wild West world which | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
is about to be overrun by capitalist forces. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
The America that will soon be paved by asphalt. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
And I think you can hear musical suggestions of that, as well, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
particularly in the, in the slightly threatening, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
although very grandiose march music that enters at the end, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
you know, this is the new America, the supreme capitalist America. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:19 | |
When the Soviet Union and the USA were allies, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
during the Second World War, the American left, while not encouraged, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
had been tolerated. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
But with the onset of the Cold War, that changed. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
One casualty of the great red witch hunt that ensued was Aaron Copland. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:03 | |
He was denounced in 1949 as one of many dupes and fellow travellers when | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
he appeared at a leftist conference in New York alongside Shostakovich. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
Being investigated by the FBI, long lists being made of his leftist | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
political affiliations and then most ominously being | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
called before Senator McCarthy's infamous committee in May of 1953. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:30 | |
Copland once said that if an artist is thrown into a mood of suspicion, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
ill will and dread, that typifies the Cold War attitude, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
he'll create nothing. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
Though he carried on composing, his musical output dwindled, and | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
he failed to create anything that matched his pre-McCarthy era impact. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
America also had communism on its mind in a Western Europe | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
newly liberated from the Nazi machine. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
To prevent the nightmare vision of its falling into Soviet hands, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
America set about rebuilding Europe's shattered cities | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
and her culture too. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
Bizarrely, it was avant-garde music | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
that was to be one of the main beneficiaries | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
of the drive to win the hearts and minds of a free Europe. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
There was a very, very strong anti-Americanism amongst the European | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
intelligentsia in particular which was almost pathological, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
a kind of psychological necessity, if you like, to be anti-American. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
And I think what the high-level strategists | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
in the cultural field were on to pretty quickly was that what | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
needed to happen was that America needed to show that, actually, there | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
was an elective affinity between the various countries and America, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
that the cultural heritage of Europe was not being threatened by American | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
democratic values but in some way enhanced and fortified by them. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
So avant-garde music may be unpopular | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
and it may be difficult, it may be squawks and thumps | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
and maybe most people who were involved with the cultural programmes | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
wouldn't want to sit and listen to any of it but they recognise it, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
they back it and they recognise it straight away as something | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
that, for all its unpopularity, is a fantastically potent symbol | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
of America's cultural sophistication and of her political freedoms. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
The godfather of the avant-garde was Olivier Messiaen. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
After the war, he taught music in Paris and became | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
one of the most influential teachers of the 20th century. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
Among his pupils were future titans of the avant-garde like | 0:24:48 | 0:24:53 | |
Karlheinz Stockhausen, Pierre Boulez, Iannis Xenakis, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
and later, George Benjamin. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
But Messiaen was a wild card, a one-off. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Devoutly Roman Catholic, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
he was the organist at a Paris church for over 60 years. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
He was also an ornithologist... | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
..believing birds to be better composers than humans | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
and incorporating birdsong into his music. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
TRANSLATION FROM FRENCH | 0:25:28 | 0:25:29 | |
Ch, ch, ch, ch, ch, ch... | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
Ju-ju-ju-ju-ju-ju... | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
was inspired by the Book of Revelation. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
"There shall be time no longer." | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
But its title is also a pun - the end of time, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
as in conventional rhythm. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
This is what made it so influential on the future avant-garde. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
Nothing happens quite how you expect it to. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
The rhythms just go on for slightly too long or slightly shorter | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
than you might expect. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
The melody goes, absolutely avoids any kind of cliche | 0:27:40 | 0:27:48 | |
and those factors mean that it has this eternal quality that | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
just seems to drift on and on and on towards eternity. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
It's one of the most emotional pieces of 20th century music there is. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
The music of the avant-garde was rarely given at concerts, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
and rarely released on record until the late '50s. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Rather, it spread through radio, academic institutions | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
and new music festivals. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:43 | |
The most important of these were | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
the International Summer Courses for New Music at Darmstadt in Germany, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
at which Messiaen was a guest teacher. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
They began in 1946, part-funded by the American military government. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
A new generation of composers, all born in the 1920s, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
were drawn to Darmstadt like moths to a flame, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
from all over Western Europe and America. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
Darmstadt was the opportunity of meeting each other and you know in | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
my generation we were approximately | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
12 years without going out of | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
the country where we were born and we wanted to know the other ones. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:28 | |
And, therefore, so I mean, it was such an atmosphere. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
Sometimes, you know, with tensions, certainly. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
But, I mean, it was such an atmosphere where | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
we were trying to know each other, to know the tradition of each other | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
and to see how we can also profit from these meetings. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:49 | |
We wanted to discover the world, simply that. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
Darmstadt has to be considered | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
one of the American military government's great successes | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
and I think that when they see Darmstadt, they think, | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
"This is something that gives them a very specific focus | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
"on the kind of work that they want to be picking up on | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
"and they want to be asserting the merits of." | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
The avant-garde dusted down the 12-tone, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
or serialist system developed in the 1920s by Arnold Schoenberg, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
whose music had been banned by the Nazis. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
It required composers to decide on a set order of notes, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
in which each pitch of the 12-note scale is used only once. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
These tone rows can then be turned upside down | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
or played backwards or both. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
But this wasn't enough for the Darmstadt school. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
There was this intensification and development of the 12-tone idea. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
First Messiaen really setting it into motion and then being taken up | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
by Boulez, Stockhausen, Nono and others, known as total serialism, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:53 | |
which means that not just the 12 pitches would be ordered according | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
to a row but also the durations | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
of the notes are longer or shorter. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
The dynamic levels, from the very loud to the very soft | 0:32:05 | 0:32:11 | |
and all the gradations in between, and the attacks, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
the style with which a particular note was | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
approached by the instrumental player, legato, staccato and so on. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:25 | |
All of these aspects of composition would now be organised. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
Messiaen had written the first piece approaching total serialism | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
at Darmstadt in 1949 - | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
Scale Of Durations And Dynamics. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
The summer courses at Darmstadt quickly became | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
a kind of shrine to the new system. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
Composers withdrew to a sort of laboratory and questioned every | 0:32:49 | 0:32:54 | |
element of music, in a rather severe and doctrinal way, even dogmatic. | 0:32:54 | 0:33:00 | |
It was a hotbed of serialism when I went anyway. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
It was serialism and, you know, some terrifying pieces of music. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
Pierre Boulez was the first of Messiaen's pupils | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
to come to prominence. But his music, and that of his fellow | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
Messiaen pupil Karlheinz Stockhausen, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
proved to be very different in character to that of their master. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
Boulez and Stockhausen were embarrassed by the simplicity | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
and naivety of his vision and highly interested by the novelty | 0:33:32 | 0:33:40 | |
of some of his techniques, particularly regarding harmony, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
and above all regarding rhythm, but very dismissive | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
of his apparently garish musical colours, some of them approaching | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
Hollywood and his naive obsessions with religion and with bird song. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
For the composers after the war - Stockhausen, Boulez - | 0:33:57 | 0:34:02 | |
there was a tremendous element of rebellion in them. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
Hostility toward the whole world of so-called expression. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
Those of us who knew Boulez remember the tremendous power | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
of his anger as it was expressed in the Second Sonata. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
Boulez's spikiness wasn't confined to his music. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
As the avant-garde's chief polemicist, he gored, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
tossed and dispatched any composer who had the temerity to | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
stray from the 12-tone path. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
Oh, he wrote articles in a very sort of intellectual Parisian style | 0:34:39 | 0:34:47 | |
in the '60s that said some terrible things. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
He praised Mao Tse-tung's Red Guards for their ability to destroy things. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
I mean, it was a time when people said things and | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
he loved to provoke and also someone who is attacked, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
often defends themselves by attacking first. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
It was a period of provocation, yes, but provocation is a good, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
a very healthy thing when it's not artificial. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
When it is genuine, natural, spontaneous, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
provocation is necessary. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
One of the most famous pieces of polemicism he wrote | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
is an article written just after Schoenberg died | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
called Schoenberg Est Mort - Schoenberg Is Dead. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
And it includes really an incredibly vociferous | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
critique of Schoenberg's late music. he also says in that article | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
that any composer who doesn't use serialism, you know, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
isn't a composer. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
I did not want to be provocative | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
just for the sake of being provocative. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
I was provocative only simply because it was necessary to go forward. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
While he never wrote tonal music, Boulez softened his style and | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
moved away from the strictures of total serialism in the early 1950s. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
For me, the great moment was the Le Marteau Sans Maitre by Boulez. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:17 | |
It did something with music that nothing had ever done before. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
It was completely radical and a very attractive one as well. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:47 | |
It's one of the most attractive pieces he's written. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
Ein... | 0:36:50 | 0:36:51 | |
..zwei... | 0:36:52 | 0:36:53 | |
..drei... | 0:36:55 | 0:36:56 | |
..vier. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
By far the most fruitful of all the avant-garde's experiments was | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
the development of electronic music, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
making use of tape technology developed in Germany during the war. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
The man who put it on the map was the Andy Warhol of European music, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
Karlheinz Stockhausen. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
He was an amazing, baffling personality, | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
highly technocratic on the one hand, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
of course, highly attuned to the possibilities of technology | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
right there in the forefront of the development of electronic music. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:45 | |
But there's also this mystical side to him, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
tending toward psychedelic hippy propensities in the 1960s. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:56 | |
Think nothing. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:57 | |
Wait until it becomes absolutely quiet inside of you. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
When you have reached that, start playing. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
As soon as you begin to think again, stop playing... | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
..and try to reach again the state of non-thinking. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
Then continue playing. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
A lot of his colleagues increasingly had the impression that | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
Stockhausen had gone a little bit mad | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
or at least was no longer fully in his right mind. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
In 1956, Stockhausen premiered Song of The Youths | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
at a Cologne radio station. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
Mixing the human voice with synthesized sounds, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
it revolutionised electronic music. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
I think Stockhausen was a great showman of a very esoteric kind | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
but, you know, certain pieces that he produced are spectacular pieces, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
they're not easy to listen to, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
to comprehend but they have a kind of childlike wonder. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
He's really one of the most interesting | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
and bizarre thinkers of our day and pieces like Stimmung | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
which is sonically beautifully because it says the only | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
thing that's going to happen is this one overtone series and that's it. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
It's animated completely by text and the text is insane. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
You know the text is, you know, "I went to California, I had sex. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:15 | |
"Now I'm going to make some German people sing about it." | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
It's fair to say that, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:27 | |
though he was vastly influential on like-minded composers, Stockhausen's | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
experiments didn't always carry a mainstream audience along with him. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
But that didn't matter. Thanks to radio commissions | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
and guest lectureships, avant-garde composers could flourish | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
without the need to please a paying public. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
Boulez and Stockhausen were writing music which was | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
so abstract and so extreme | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
in some cases that the idea of an audience was not what | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
they were thinking of, they were not thinking about communicating. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
It was music that means itself, that means nothing except itself. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
I think that was the purpose. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
Which is why they were, of course, so viciously attacked | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
by the Soviets, because they saw them as kind of decadent Westerners | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
and, you know, their music didn't have any appeal to the people. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:21 | |
That's not to say that the Darmstadt composers weren't | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
engaged in politics. Far from it. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
Iannis Xenakis fought for the Greek communist partisans | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
against the Germans and then against the British in the Greek Civil War. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:42 | |
He trained not as a composer but as an architect and engineer. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
Xenakis wanted to create a kind of music which was really | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
driven from pure scientific mathematical principles. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
So if you hear a piece such as Metastaseis, | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
this was music that came from somewhere absolutely other | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
than the Romantic Austro-German tradition, it came from | 0:42:03 | 0:42:09 | |
the world of science, from the world of nature and mathematics. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
It also, though, in its own way, has a political message because | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
you can listen to this piece | 0:42:23 | 0:42:24 | |
and you can hear your mathematical shape, your architectural shape, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:30 | |
but it also describes, quite simply, the sounds of war. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:36 | |
You can hear the screaming of shells. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
You know, the shell that might have been the one that | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
blew half of his face off. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
The most politically engaged avant-garde composer was Luigi Nono, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:58 | |
a leading member of the Italian Communist Party. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
His music, unlike that of his Darmstadt contemporaries, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
was overtly political. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
In Italy after the war, most of the culture that was important | 0:43:06 | 0:43:12 | |
and the writers and the film makers and the musicians | 0:43:12 | 0:43:17 | |
felt that they needed to be close to the people of their country. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:24 | |
What Nono was interested in was to inform the people who listen | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
to his music of human suffering in many different forms. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
That could be miners who were dying under the most terrible | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
conditions, it could be people working in factories. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
Pieces such as La Fabbrica Illuminata, you know, | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
that's the illuminated factory, | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
were expressions of his political beliefs. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
Now, you may think, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:06 | |
"Well, you know, the workers are going to love that, aren't they?" | 0:44:06 | 0:44:11 | |
But I think that Nono very sincerely felt that by creating music | 0:44:11 | 0:44:17 | |
which was, you know, really rigorous and as extreme and powerful | 0:44:17 | 0:44:23 | |
as he possibly could, that he would connect on an emotional level. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
Nono's most celebrated piece included | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
quotations from the letters of executed Italian partisans. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
When Stockhausen, in all sincerity, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
congratulated him for having succeeded in making | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
the quotations unintelligible, he was highly displeased. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
But he remained a dedicated serialist | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
for the rest of his career. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
I remember Luigi Nono saying to me, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
he saw an F minor chord in a piece of mine, he said, in Italian, | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
"You're a traitor, you're a traitor to the cause of new music." | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
It became an orthodoxy. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:09 | |
It became almost a form of totalitarianism, when you had | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
to be a serial composer or you basically couldn't be a composer. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
I don't think it happened in, in painting or in literature. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
Could be one of the reasons why the media have almost | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
sidelined classical music. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
Because there was this period where | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
there was no connection with very clever and very intelligent people. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:38 | |
Classical music sort of lost its way. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
The same thought was also beginning to occur to some at Darmstadt. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
In 1958, a recent arrival, | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
Gyorgy Ligeti, dared to write an article attacking Pierre Boulez. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
Cracks were beginning to appear in the facade of the avant-garde. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
Ligeti used the phrase "character assassination" in terms | 0:45:57 | 0:46:02 | |
of people attacking each other and doubting each other's motives. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:07 | |
It reminded him too much of what he had seen back in Hungary. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:12 | |
Ligeti, a Romanian-born Jew who'd settled in Hungary, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
had managed to escape from Budapest just after Soviet tanks | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
rolled in to suppress an anti-communist uprising in 1956. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:24 | |
He'd seen the chaos of the post-war Eastern Bloc at first hand. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
My father used to tell me bedtime stories, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
sitting by my bedside when I was, like, three years old, and he told | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
me about how, after World War II, he had to go | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
between Hungary and Romania, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
which was already illegal in its own right, so it was always kind | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
of crossing the border illegally but he couldn't afford to buy | 0:46:43 | 0:46:48 | |
a ticket inside the train so he had to ride on the roof of the train. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
And there were electrical cables going across, you know, | 0:46:52 | 0:46:58 | |
the train tracks. | 0:46:58 | 0:46:59 | |
So my father would always get towards the rear of the train | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
and sit on, and hang on to the roof towards the rear of the train, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
and when he saw people being decapitated in the front | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
of the train he would duck. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
So, you know, those were the kinds of bedtime stories. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
During the war, Ligeti had been sent to a forced labour camp. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
His father, brother and other relatives | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
died in concentration camps. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
His mother survived Auschwitz. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
The people who survived the Holocaust, I think, there is | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
a certain sense of invincibility that they, you know, | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
"If we survived that, nothing can kill us now." | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
And, at the same time, I know that my father was always extremely | 0:47:34 | 0:47:41 | |
angry inside about, you know, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:47 | |
his father and especially his little brother | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
having been killed in the concentration camp. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
And when my father was very sick, near the end of his life, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
he used to speak about that a lot more and, you know, | 0:47:55 | 0:48:00 | |
it's something that he carried with him for the rest of his life. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
It really marked, you know, it... | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
Both the Nazis and the communists really, really influenced, | 0:48:07 | 0:48:12 | |
in a profound way, his way of thinking. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
And you can't really understand his work without understanding | 0:48:15 | 0:48:22 | |
that element of, you know, of what he experienced. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
Famously, the philosopher Adorno stated after | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
the Second World War, "No more poetry is possible after Auschwitz." | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
Ligeti is the absolute contradiction of that because he's someone | 0:48:39 | 0:48:45 | |
who came from within that appalling darkness and somehow, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
through genius and imagination and courage, found an utterly | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
original and gloriously colourful and expressive musical universe. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:58 | |
There is a sensuousness in Ligeti's music which, | 0:49:00 | 0:49:05 | |
I think, was very much his intention. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
He wanted to make beautiful objects, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
strangely, eerily beautiful objects, but beautiful nonetheless. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
It really opened up a new way of writing for the avant-garde. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
You didn't have to write the Stockhausen or Boulez | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
pointillist stuff any more, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
you could write this textural music that would somehow also be | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
absolutely true to what you wanted modern music to be. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
Ligeti, like Messiaen, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
wanted to introduce a spiritual quality into avant-garde music. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
In the 1960s, he wrote a Requiem, and Lux Aeterna, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
both based on the Latin Mass. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:28 | |
The 20th Century was really a great period of music | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
with some kind of spiritual implication | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
and, I think, this supplies us | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
with a different explanation for some of these abstract sounds - | 0:50:38 | 0:50:44 | |
the sense that composers are seeking these emblems of the sacred, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:49 | |
trying to express the unsayable. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
And it found its way on to movie soundtracks, | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
famously 2001. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
You hear the Requiem to greatly unsettling effect, suggesting | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
incomprehensible, unearthly other-worldly forces, but music that | 0:51:09 | 0:51:16 | |
nonetheless, in its seamlessness | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
and its sense of constantly evolving | 0:51:19 | 0:51:25 | |
underscores very beautifully Kubrick's grandiose cinematic style. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:33 | |
The two go surprisingly well together. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
Having once blithely professed to ignore the mainstream audience, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
avant-garde music was now began to reach an audience of millions | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
through the cinema door. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:45 | |
Avant-garde music had managed to thrive with | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
no help from the United Kingdom. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
Like its beer, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
Britain's music had tended to be mostly for local consumption. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
Up until the early 1950s, the pastoral tradition | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
of Elgar, Vaughan Williams, and Delius - unkindly derided | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
as the Cowpat School - had ploughed its own furrow. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
But a new, iconoclastic generation of British composers was emerging | 0:52:22 | 0:52:27 | |
in Manchester. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:28 | |
Not everyone shared their musical tastes. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
At the university, I was thrown out of the composition course. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
The professor there said, "Oh, my dear boy, you're too interested | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
"in these dreadful modern Stravinsky and Bartok," | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
and out I was thrown. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
He said, "You'll never be a composer, my boy." | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
We had some very primitive lectures on the history of music | 0:52:57 | 0:53:03 | |
and when it got to serialism, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
I remember the lecturer called out notes from... | 0:53:05 | 0:53:11 | |
Pick a note out of 12 and once you've had it you can't have another. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:17 | |
So somebody else... And we went on like that and he wrote it | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
on the board and proceeded to write a sort of stupid piece of music. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
But serialism was set to conquer Manchester, | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
thanks to the arrival, in the early '50s, of a student whose | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
father had conducted the music of Arnold Schoenberg - Alexander Goehr. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
The only reason that one became aware | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
of what was going was that there was a very good group | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
of young students there, led by Alexander Goehr | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
and he had access to scores of Schoenberg and recordings | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
and whatever that we could only dream about. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
British composers have often wanted to shut their ears | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
to what's evolving outside. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
But the generation of Birtwistle and Goehr and Maxwell Davies | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
decided to break with that for all sorts of reasons | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
and they all went to the continent, they all | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
went to Darmstadt, they went to Paris where they heard the newest | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
things and brought them back here and gave them an English accent. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:18 | |
I once won a prize in Germany and I had to do interviews, you know, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:55 | |
critics and things, one after the other, and a lot of them said | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
did I know that my music was English? And I said, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
"Well, it's the one thing that I've self-consciously tried to avoid." | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
Well, his early music is so rude. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
It's aggressive, it's dissonant, it's harsh, it's angular. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
But it has this British quality about it as well. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:34 | |
Hard to define, you know, it also has a prehistoric, I feel, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
quality to it. There's something earthy, and something ancient, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:41 | |
deeply ancient about it. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:42 | |
I feel it inhabits a world of 1,200 years ago as much as it | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
does of a world of today. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
The scene in the 1960s with Birtwistle and Maxwell Davies | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
had a tremendous amount of energy about it. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
Expressionist poetry, a soprano screaming into a megaphone | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
and, you know, ensemble in the back playing very sort of harsh music. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
It was so confident. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
It was so in-your-face and it took the establishment by storm. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:20 | |
In 1969, one of Peter Maxwell Davies' pieces | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
caused a ruckus when it was boldly scheduled at the BBC Proms - | 0:56:32 | 0:56:37 | |
much to the surprise and dismay of its composer. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
I don't think I ever set out to stir up and shock. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
I was very upset | 0:56:44 | 0:56:45 | |
when people were shouting "rubbish!" from the audience and when people | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
walked out of Worldes Blis in the Albert Hall. It's very upsetting. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:53 | |
You try to do your best to communicate something which | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
means an awful lot to you in as direct and, dare I say it, as simple | 0:56:57 | 0:57:02 | |
a language as you possibly can, and sometimes people just don't get it. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
It's their problem. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:08 | |
I do it honestly and I do the only thing I can do at that moment, yeah? | 0:57:10 | 0:57:16 | |
It's like at school when they used to | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
tell me I could do better. I couldn't. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
The '60s avant-garde may have perplexed and upset some members | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
of the audience at the time, but its musical language | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
and attitude has now become part of the DNA of new British music. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:36 | |
There are people like Thomas Ades, or Turnage, | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
or Judith Weir, Jimmy MacMillan who use tonality plus that language | 0:57:39 | 0:57:45 | |
and they get absolutely wonderful, dramatic effects out of it. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:50 | |
But I think without that '60s music that Birtwistle and to | 0:57:50 | 0:57:55 | |
a probably lesser extent I put there, this wouldn't have happened. | 0:57:55 | 0:58:00 | |
In the next programme, the focus shifts to America | 0:58:03 | 0:58:07 | |
as classical music regains its audience by pumping up the volume | 0:58:07 | 0:58:11 | |
and getting its groove back. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
This is hard core, rocking and rolling minimalist music | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
and it was loud and it was fierce and it was... | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
it made a very big impression. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:22 | |
To find out more about 20th-century composers | 0:58:26 | 0:58:29 | |
and for details of a year-long festival of events | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
celebrating a century of revolution in music, art and culture, go to | 0:58:32 | 0:58:36 | |
bbc.co.uk/soundandthefury and follow the links to The Open University. | 0:58:36 | 0:58:42 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:58:44 | 0:58:48 |