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The manifesto. Scenario: summer 1977, The Human League was formed, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:35 | |
in order to channel its members' immense talents. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
Background: none of The Human League have any orthodox training, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
seeing compositions as an extension of logic, inspiration and luck. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
Conclusion, manifesto: interested in combining the best of all worlds, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:54 | |
they aim to improve the future by close attention to the present, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
allying technology with humanity and humour. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
# Don't you want me, baby...? # | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
The Human League's manifesto was written by three art-school boys during the heady days of punk. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:12 | |
It wasn't fulfilled until singer Philip Oakey went to a local disco | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
and asked two schoolgirls to join his critically acclaimed | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
but commercially unsuccessful synthesizer group. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
A few weeks later, Philip and the girls were on Top Of The Pops. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
The Human League became one of the biggest groups of the early '80s. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:34 | |
The Human League's success hasn't sustained throughout the '90s, | 0:01:34 | 0:01:39 | |
but the trio of Philip, Joanne and Susanne | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
have remained loyal to the group and to their home town of Sheffield. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
I'm just proud that we stayed together and we're still doing it. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:53 | |
It's hard being in a group for nearly 19 years, and being able to keep your sanity. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:59 | |
Although I'm sure there'd be a few doubters along the way! | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
The Human League didn't begin with Philip and the girls. In the beginning, there were no girls | 0:02:04 | 0:02:10 | |
and the music leant far more to the avant-garde than to pop. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
HYPNOTIC SYNTHESIZER MUSIC | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
# Faced with the choice | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
# What would you say? | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
# The path of least resistance | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
# It seems the only way | 0:02:47 | 0:02:48 | |
# But can't we look a little further...? # | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
The band had been formed in 1977 by two computer operators | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
with a passion for Kraftwerk and science fiction. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
I started my first well-paid job. I thought, "How shall spend my cash?" | 0:03:03 | 0:03:10 | |
I could have learned to drive, which I've still never done - | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
bought a second-hand car. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
The first cheap commercial synthesizers were just coming on to the market. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
So I went and bought one. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
I was always into all things science fiction. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
In Sheffield, you're surrounded by strange sounds, with the steelworks. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
You're surrounded by "musique concrete". | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
The drop forges hammering away at night. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
-A natural environment. They sounded like natural sounds. -Yeah. Not alien. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
We grew up with the sound of machinery | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
We thought, "We need a vocalist," and Martyn... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
Basically, I went to school with Phil from the age of 16, and he looked like a pop star. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:05 | |
I ended up doing four years as a hospital porter at two different hospitals, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:13 | |
which is a great job, but absolutely no prospect of promotion. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
If you work very hard for 15 years, you get to be deputy head porter. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
I'd have been lost without the group. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
# To level four I think | 0:04:28 | 0:04:29 | |
# Softly is the answer | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
# And not another drink | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
# They say it might be the only way... # | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
I thought it would be a bit of a hobby. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
I was surprised they asked me. Everybody was trying to be in bands, but I wasn't. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:51 | |
They played me their tapes. I'd say, "You're doing fantastic stuff," | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
which probably helped my prospects with them. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
Still, when we were doing it, it seemed so left-field. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
that we'd mess around with our tape recorders for two or three years | 0:05:06 | 0:05:12 | |
and then go and do what we were gonna do. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
This is Psalter Lane Art College - our first venue. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
I was so nervous, I sang the same verse over and over. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
I couldn't remember the verses. I'd never been on stage in my life. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
Neither had we. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
The tape recorder - this is the very one - | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
would be placed centre-stage, where a drummer would be. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
The rhythms and bass were on there. We had keyboards. Philip had a mike. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
The show started with us walking on and turning the tape on. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
Stuff started without us playing anything, which was provocative. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:59 | |
Adrian Wright was in the audience. He liked the gig. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
He approached us afterwards. He was at the art college, doing film and photography. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:09 | |
# ..The flight into space | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
# Sucking in the human race | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
# How can it stay at the top...? # | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
They said, "We've heard about your slide collection." I said, "How?" They said, "I don't know." | 0:06:18 | 0:06:25 | |
They said, "We're boring on stage." | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
I said, "Yes, you are. I saw your first concert." | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
They said, "Will you project your slides behind us?" | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
# Big on the town | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
# And the gleam is an iron red | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
# Said my father was a prole | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
# Now I once more... # | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
It was just not like a band should be. Everyone did laugh at us. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
We were a joke in Sheffield. We were an affront to their sensibilities. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
People wanted to hit us. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
Someone threw beer over Martyn and his keyboard, which is shocking. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
We had no insurance. We thought, "God! | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
"We're gonna have to do something." | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
I built a cage to protect my synth. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
Which the writers thought was a statement of alienation. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
-They did. That's what they all said. -In fact, it was a beer guard. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
-In fact, it was... -A beer guard. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
It was to stop the invalidation of the hire-purchase agreement. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:37 | |
# You're trying hard not to show it | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
# Baby | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
# But, baby | 0:07:44 | 0:07:45 | |
# Baby, I know it | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
# You've lost that loving feeling... # | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
I was taken with their version of You've Lost That Loving Feeling. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
They were very original. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
Phil Oakey looked extraordinary with his hair... Which side did it go on? | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
I attempted immediately to sign them and was successful. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
They were avant-garde. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
Would they be a commercial success? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
Human League's first two albums, Reproduction and Travelogue, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
hovered around the lower reaches of the charts. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
They made it into the top ten in January 1980, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
with their enigmatic single Being Boiled. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
I remember a review of Being Boiled. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
They'd got John Lydon reviewing singles. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
-I think it started... -Two words. -"Trendy hippies." -Yeah. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
# Listen to the voice of Buddha | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
# Saying stop your sericulture | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
# Little people like your... # | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
They'd done a good backing track. I didn't know if I was good enough for the group. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:09 | |
I took a tape home, wrote some stuff. They said, "It's all right." | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
I sang it to them, which was one of the scariest things I've ever done. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
-They said, "That's all right." -I thought it was brilliant. -Jaw-dropping! | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
However, one question remained to perplex the record buyer. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
WOMAN: What is Being Boiled about? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
Here's your man. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
It was... I'd got some religions mixed up. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
I thought that, like, Buddhism was the same as Hinduism. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
It was sort of a plea for vegetarianism, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
against killing silkworms to make socks, or something. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
I got confused about it. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
# He'll say carry on your slaughter | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
# Who cares for the little children? | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
# You can slice with no conviction... # | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
Even those who got the silkworms | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
were frequently confused by the group's appearance - | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
particularly Philip's. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
We turned up to a festival, I think in Vienna. I think once in France. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
In one of them, the booklet said, "England's leading gay group." | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
I thought, "OK. That's worrying." I don't think any of us ever were gay. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
It's unlikely, when you think about it. But it wasn't a gay thing. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
It wasn't effeminate. It was somewhere in between. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
I had ten or 15 years when I didn't wear men's clothing, but it wasn't really women's clothing either. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:45 | |
I was just somewhere else. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Human League had made considerable progress with the music press, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
but were becoming frustrated at their lack of mainstream success.. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
Our intention was to become the first popular synthesizer band | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
that was doing vocals, as opposed to experimental stuff. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
We released things that could do that. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
Nothing ever quite became a hit. Then Gary Numan came along | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
and stole our glory by suddenly... Out of nowhere. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
He used to be a rock act. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
He suddenly took on our clothing and became incredibly successful. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
We were quite miffed. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
# Here in my car | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
# I feel safest of all | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
# I can lock all my doors | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
# It's the only way to live | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
# In cars. # | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
It was like a kind of cusp for the group. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
Until that point, it had been a laugh and art. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
We'd assumed we'd break through. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
That point really broke the morale, looking back, of the band. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
All we could see stretching into the future was being... | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
All right, we were mentioned as being influential, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
but we weren't earning any money - | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
I think that was the engine that drove the split. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
Ian and Martyn formed Heaven 17, taking their musical expertise. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:12 | |
Philip and Adrian were left with only the name - The Human League. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
I was terrified - I can't play anything. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
Martyn and Ian were the players. It was me and Adrian. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
It didn't help that Melody Maker had headlines like "The Creative People Have Gone". | 0:12:24 | 0:12:31 | |
It looked like we would fall flat on our faces and be laughed around Sheffield. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:37 | |
The Human League were contracted to a European tour in two weeks' time. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
If they failed to show, Philip and Adrian would be sued for £250,000. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:48 | |
They had to act fast. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
We needed a group so Philip said, "I know. We need some girls." | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
He said, "I've been thinking. Two girls." | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
So he went out that night to this nightclub. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
And I went down another nightclub. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
And he found these two girls. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
We saw Joanne and Susanne who were sort of dancing with each other, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
dressed as Gary Numan or something. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
But they weren't... | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
..they weren't too tied to style, too extreme. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
The way they dressed WAS stylish, but in ten years' time, you probably wouldn't be laughing. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:32 | |
They were the same as the people we were trying to sell to - more closely even than we were. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:39 | |
We'd liked people from a generation or two before of music. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:45 | |
But they were right there - they liked Gary Numan and Japan, they knew exactly what was going on. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:52 | |
I came off the dance floor. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
And he said, "I'm Philip Oakley from The Human League." | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
We knew because we liked the group. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
He said, "Look, we're doing this tour. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
"You and your friend looked good together. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
"What do you think?" He gave me a list of dates and his phone number. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
We'd actually bought tickets to go and see the group in Doncaster on that tour we ended up playing at. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:21 | |
Adrian Wright progressed from slides to synthesiser. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
Ian Burden was drafted in to play another and they were ready to tour. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:31 | |
Our parents had to check with the school that it was all right. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:37 | |
The school thought we could study lots and get to see lots of different places. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:43 | |
But we didn't study at all! | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
The Human League was an all-male band. They did not take well to two females. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:53 | |
We got full cans of beer thrown at us | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
and just people coming up to us after shows and saying, "You're crap!" | 0:14:56 | 0:15:03 | |
It was just... They just didn't like us. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
I suppose, to be fair, they were expecting a different tour. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
They were expecting the original line-up with Ian and Martyn. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
They didn't get any warning that it would be different. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
They played the Hammersmith Odeon. It was half full. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
It didn't look good. But there was a very good feeling afterwards. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:29 | |
I was so relieved because there had been so many things about that gig that didn't go right. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:36 | |
So many people doubted that they could be successful again. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
There was a groundswell of interest in this music. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
SUSAN: Within weeks, my mum was running round the schools, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
knocking on classroom doors, getting us out of school. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
"I've got to get them because they've got to go to London to do Top Of The Pops." | 0:15:52 | 0:15:58 | |
# Get around town, get around town | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
# Where the people look good Where the music is loud... # | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
MAN: At the time, we were very much considered by Virgin, not by Simon, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
as the fag end of The Human League. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Phil had negotiated to still retain the name. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
But the ones they were looking at were the other lot. They thought Martyn Ware would do it. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:25 | |
"Phil's the singer and Adrian's the slide operator. What can they do?" | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
So I think Sound Of The Crowd was just, "Bung them in and see what happens." | 0:16:30 | 0:16:36 | |
But Simon Draper had another view of it. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
Once they heard that, and particularly when it charted, it was, "Let's go the whole way." | 0:16:40 | 0:16:48 | |
-# The lines on a compact guide -Pass around... # | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
Martin Rushent was very important to the success of this new group, effectively. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:59 | |
Before this, they had quite good ideas but didn't sound convincing. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:04 | |
With Rushent's production, they were a quasi dance band with a great sound. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:10 | |
This was a tremendous signpost to what was about to happen. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
# Add your voice to the sound of the crowd | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
# Oh | 0:17:18 | 0:17:18 | |
# Oh... # | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
Now The Human League's image centred around Phil and the girls. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
Philip and Joanne embarked on a romance that lasted for eight years. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:30 | |
I don't think it affected the group. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
It was just something that was happening for eight years while the group was going. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:39 | |
And that was it. Yeah. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
It just meant that more people came to our house cos there was two of us there. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:49 | |
It was sort of convenient, really. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
It saved money on hotel rooms! | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
It just happens. People DO meet in the workplace. And it was our workplace. | 0:17:54 | 0:18:01 | |
I think there was often the resentment against Joanne and Susan generally. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:07 | |
Because they don't write any songs, they were thought to have more of an influence than they needed to. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:14 | |
But they were very good at knowing which paths to take. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
They were the ones who would hear five tracks and know which one would sell. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:26 | |
# ..Just looking Watching your love action... # | 0:18:26 | 0:18:32 | |
Although Phil and Joanne are matter of fact about their relationship now, it inspired their second hit. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:39 | |
# I believe, I believe what the old man said | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
# Though I know that there's no lord above | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
# I believe in me, I believe in you | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
# And you know I believe in love | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
# I believe in truth though I lie a lot | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
# I feel the pain from the push and shove | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
# No matter what you put me through | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
# I'll still believe in love | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
# And I say | 0:18:55 | 0:18:55 | |
# I love your love action | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
# Love's just a distraction | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
# No talking, just looking... # | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
In March 1981, Jo Callis, guitarist and songwriter with the Rezillos, joined the group. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:14 | |
The Human League had a proper musician, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
even if their manifesto insisted on the synthesiser, not his guitar. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:22 | |
They were in a transitionary period, trying to cement a new line-up, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:28 | |
and I sort of came on board, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
initially to help out with songwriting. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
I got more and more involved as time went on, really, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
and became the missing piece of the jigsaw. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
With Jo on board and Martin Rushent producing, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
The Human League set about making one of the key albums of the decade. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
# And when it hurts You know they love to tell you | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
# How they warned yo-o-ou | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
# They say don't be surprised at someone's lies... # | 0:20:07 | 0:20:15 | |
Phil's visual image and presentation of The Human League | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
was more clearly defined in his mind than the music was. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
He was quite laissez faire with the music. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
It was, "Yes, Martyn. Yes, Jo, if you feel that'll work, OK." | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
That was his general attitude. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
When it came to imagery, it had to be like THIS. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
You had to wear THAT. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
He was very clear on what the band should look like and be seen to be. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
# ..And so you stand here with the years ahead... # | 0:20:50 | 0:20:58 | |
The rest of us didn't understand, but he picked the girls for a reason. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
That was apparent when you saw the photos on the sleeve of the album - | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
a pastiche of the Vogue cover. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
I'm still not clear about his vision to this day, but it worked. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
# ..You better change it back or we will both be sorry | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
# Don't you want me, baby? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
# Don't you want me, o-o-oh? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
We didn't really know what we were doing. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
It was as big a surprise to us that we had a million selling album. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
# ..Don't you want me...? # | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
Don't You Want Me was number one in a lot of other countries as well. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
The single was number one in America. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
It did well there. And Iceland, apparently! | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
And Iceland! Yes, we went to Iceland. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
JOANNE: You'd go into town and go to a shop, and they would close off shops for us. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:06 | |
As soon as people heard that we were in a shop, a thousand people would be trying to get into it. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:13 | |
I remember going to see Teardrop Explodes and having to be rescued out of the audience. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:20 | |
We'd go to a concert at Sheffield City Hall and we'd get mobbed to the extent that it was very frightening. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:28 | |
Dare sold five million albums worldwide and transformed British pop music. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:34 | |
This massive, but unexpected success proved hard to follow. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
Two interim singles, Fascination and Mirror Man, made the top 20 | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
but tensions arose in the two years it took to finish Hysteria. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
We came back and did start doing a new record with Martin Rushent. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
But...it wasn't the same. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
It got to the point where no-one knew what to do. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:04 | |
We'd had all this success and... | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
Well, we did know what to do but we couldn't do it. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
# Winter is approaching There's snow upon the ground | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
# It's good of you to visit me I'm glad you came around... # | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
Producer Martin Rushent departed to be followed by two other producers. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
Hysteria contained three hit singles - none matched the success of the group's previous output. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:33 | |
Then we tried to make another record, I've forgotten who with now, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:38 | |
and that was a real disaster. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
We just could not get a song finished. We couldn't do it. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:46 | |
Me and Philip weren't as close as we were before, for whatever reason, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
so I didn't know what was happening. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Simon Draper teamed The Human League with American R'n'B producers Jam and Lewis. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:10 | |
The group went to the studio in Minneapolis to record. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
# I'm only human | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
# Of flesh and blood I'm made | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
# Human | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
# Born to make mistakes... # | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
The collaboration with Jam and Lewis produced a number one in the States with Human. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:38 | |
But the album Crash sounded manufactured. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
After four years, their next record was ominously dubbed a comeback. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
# Calling up the promised land | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
# Jonny Seven's coming over the sea... # | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
By the time Heart Like A Wheel and the album Romantic were released in 1990, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:09 | |
only Philip and the girls remained from the team that made Dare. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
All three of us are very loyal people in a way most people aren't. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:20 | |
I only see it when I come across people who don't stick together. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
Perhaps because it was so obvious to get Joanne and Susanne in for one LP to give a bit of spice... | 0:25:25 | 0:25:33 | |
Then we'll drop them for another group and the lads will go on | 0:25:33 | 0:25:39 | |
and maybe think of some other novelty. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
I didn't want to be accused of that. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
They're proper people who should be treated as such. Also, they're extremely loyal to me. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:54 | |
They've never said a word against me, or made a move against me. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
In 1992, the group and Virgin Records parted company. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
Back in their own studio in Sheffield, but without a recording contract, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:12 | |
they began sending demos to record companies. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
There was a lot of baggage with The Human League. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:21 | |
The business had changed, and we felt maybe we should be investing in a brand new act | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
rather than a dinosaur. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
But it was the songs. The songs on the tape were impressive. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
# Tell me when | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
# Will I see you again | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
# Tell me when | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
# Will I see you again | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
# Tell me when | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
# Will I see you again Na-na na-na na na na... # | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
Octopus was a very successful album. It was top ten for a long time. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:57 | |
It did pretty well in America. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
We'd brought them back, so by the end of '95, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
The Human League were high in the public consciousness. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
But they were taking a long time to think about the next record. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:15 | |
After I left East West Records, a new regime came into the company | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
and they were actually let go. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
We were going through another one of those transition periods. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
The majority of those at the record company when we first started | 0:27:31 | 0:27:37 | |
thought we'd probably be a one-album wonder. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
They thought that's all it would be. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
INTERVIEWER: Why have you stayed in Sheffield? | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
Big fish in a little pond? | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Wouldn't stick out much in London, would we? | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
You walk down the King's Road, there's Paul Young walking one way, George Michael the other. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:03 | |
Fear of authority. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
All sorts of things. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
We never...I never felt adequate | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
against the people running the business - that happens to a lot of people from the provinces. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:19 | |
I don't know how to use my knife and fork properly. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
I feel inadequate, so I hide here. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
Human League are now on an '80s revival tour | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
playing second on the bill to Culture Club. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
We'd much rather still be doing the old stuff because we're proud of it. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
But we'd like to do new things, too. We don't really want to be considered a "retro" band. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:47 | |
-But you get caught up in it. -This tour's work, isn't it? | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
They're paying us the money, we're doing the job - like Shane Ritchie doing a Daz ad. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:58 | |
It's not what we would choose to do. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
If you want the '80s, you'll get the '80s. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
# As if we were still lovers | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
# And though they talked for just a little time | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
-# Before she said she had to go -Ooo-oo-oo-oo-ooh... # | 0:29:16 | 0:29:21 | |
-You once said, "We won't stop till we're bankrupt". -Yeah. That's the way we're heading - the dole queue! | 0:29:21 | 0:29:29 | |
# And so Louise | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
# Waved from the bus | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
# And as she left She gave that smile | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
# As if they were still lovers. # | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
Subtitles by Matthew Singh-Toor and Elena Ounsworth, BBC - 1999 | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 |