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He is never rushed. He is careful, precise, and his word is absolute. | :00:02. | :00:08. | |
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is the Supreme Leader of Iran. Did you | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
ever think that he would end up as the Supreme Leader of Iran? Never, | :00:13. | :00:23. | |
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never, never, never. Who is this man? I have spoken to those who | :00:31. | :00:38. | |
have met and got to know the Ayatollah. He is clearly not stupid. | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
He knew I was taunting him. He was not really smiling during the | :00:44. | :00:53. | |
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introductions. When I said that, he Ali Khamenei was born in 1939 in | :01:24. | :01:31. | |
the northern city of Mashhad. It is the holiest city in Iran. He | :01:31. | :01:37. | |
followed his father and became a cleric. The black turban shows that | :01:38. | :01:47. | |
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he is descended from the Prophet Muhammad. This person studied in | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
Iran to become a cleric and is now writing a biography of the | :01:58. | :02:08. | |
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Ayatollah. He became a cleric when he was very young, at the age of 11. | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
Immediately, he wore the turban and the clerical uniform which was very | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
difficult for him when he was playing with children on the | :02:15. | :02:25. | |
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streets or at school. People were mocking him for this. Like his | :02:34. | :02:42. | |
father, he remained a cleric. Here, he poses with his own sons. This is | :02:42. | :02:52. | |
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one of the only pictures we have of This man remembers his uncle as an | :02:58. | :03:08. | |
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He did stand out in one way. He liked to smoke. Not a great | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
clerical habit. During the 1970s, he campaigned for the return of his | :03:45. | :03:55. | |
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mentor, the exiled cleric, Ayatollah Khomeini. For this he was | :03:57. | :04:07. | |
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jailed six times. His cellmate remembers that he had one | :04:08. | :04:18. | |
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particular concern. He joked about relations with sexuality. So no | :04:23. | :04:33. | |
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sexuality? No. I told him a lot of jokes. All the time, I was joking. | :04:38. | :04:46. | |
He accepted it, he was laughing. But any time I wanted to talk about | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
sexuality, he told me, this is time to stop. Please stop. You stopped? | :04:52. | :05:02. | |
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In 1979 came the Islamic revolution. He was reunited with somebody not | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
known for risque jokes or indeed any jokes. Ayatollah Khomeini, | :05:29. | :05:39. | |
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Iran's new leader. For the first time in a photo, Ali Khamenei | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
smiles as he tries to recapture the older man's eye. He was appointed | :05:46. | :05:53. | |
leader of Friday prayers in Tehran. Note the gun below the lectern. His | :05:53. | :06:03. | |
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In the early days of the revolution, this person used to get a lift to | :06:13. | :06:23. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 45 seconds | :06:23. | :07:09. | |
At times, society appeared to rise up by itself. Students in Tehran | :07:09. | :07:17. | |
took more than 50 US diplomats hostage. In 1980, he was sent to | :07:17. | :07:27. | |
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play his part in the defining event John Limbert was 162 days into his | :07:35. | :07:45. | |
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captivity when he had an unexpected visitor. So what I wanted to do was | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
to use what I knew of Iran and Iranians as a kind of leverage | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
against him so when he said, for example, do you have any | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
complaints? I said, well, my only complaint is that the students, I | :08:00. | :08:08. | |
think, have overdone traditional Iranian hospitality. I know that | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
Iranians do not want their guest to leave and they try to keep them as | :08:12. | :08:21. | |
long as they can but this is really ridiculous. He knew exactly what I | :08:21. | :08:31. | |
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was talking about. He was not stupid. He knew I was taunting him. | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
On a personal level, for what it's worth, he did not carry the | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
personal complexes and resentments that perhaps other members, other | :08:58. | :09:08. | |
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people in the Islamic Republic carried against us. I would have no | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
trouble, for example, if we met again, sitting down and speaking in | :09:16. | :09:26. | |
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a friendly and polite way. That was At the end of this television clip | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
which showed him meeting me, and I believe meeting a few others, he | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
went and said, all the hostages are very happy with their conditions | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
and are comfortable. They even thanked the students for their | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
kindness and hospitality. That is absolutely shameless, on my part. | :10:10. | :10:20. | |
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If we met again maybe I would His increasing prominence nearly | :10:23. | :10:31. | |
cost him his life. An opposition group tried to kill him with a bomb | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
hidden in a tape recorder. The cleric lost the use of his right | :10:36. | :10:45. | |
arm. He later said, God saved him for a reason. He was not given much | :10:45. | :10:53. | |
time to recover. Soon afterwards, he was elected President. It was a | :10:53. | :11:00. | |
powerless and dangerous job. He survived a bomb attack during | :11:00. | :11:07. | |
Friday prayers at Tehran University. He remained loyal to Ayatollah | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
Khomeini. Here he attends a Cabinet meeting sitting at the feet of the | :11:12. | :11:22. | |
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older, dying man. Iran would soon In June 17989 Ayatollah Ali | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
Khamenei faces a crucial moment. The clerics come together after | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
Ayatollah Ali Khomeini's death to choose a new leader. No-one knows | :11:44. | :11:54. | |
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who to choose. Abolhassan Banisadr All those who agree are asked to | :12:11. | :12:20. | |
stand up. This is what the assumption of absolute power looks | :12:20. | :12:30. | |
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For more than 20 years now Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has ruled | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
Iran. He was chosen in order to preserve the Islamic revolution, | :12:39. | :12:49. | |
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not to overturn it. And to poll the ideas of Ayatollah Ali Khomeini and | :12:50. | :13:00. | |
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not to suggest his own. He is a very ordinary man. I think | :13:01. | :13:08. | |
that is the key for him. He planned everything. He thought about | :13:09. | :13:18. | |
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everything. You know, when he became a leader, he had nothing. | :13:24. | :13:30. | |
One of the main things that he did was a very precise and subtle plan | :13:31. | :13:38. | |
to empower the revolutionary Guard after the Iran-Iraq war and by | :13:38. | :13:45. | |
relying on that and empowering that, he consolidated his own power and | :13:45. | :13:54. | |
became a very strong leader. (CHANTING) | :13:54. | :14:04. | |
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Because of this alliance, Ayatollah Khamenei can help manoeuvre other | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
politicians like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, here sworn-in for his | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
first term as president. The Ahmadinejad leaves the stage... But | :14:20. | :14:28. | |
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stays to enjoy the crowd. A president needs the | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
people, a supreme leader, the t | :14:32. | :14:39. | |
of the revolution guard does not. Ayatollah Khamenei is well locked | :14:39. | :14:46. | |
after. He has someone to help him into his chair. -- is well looked | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
after. He has someone to help him into his chair... And out again. He | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
may be frail, but he still has the power to imprison or set free | :14:56. | :15:06. | |
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Haleh Esfandiari was imprisoned in Evin Prison while visiting her | :15:14. | :15:24. | |
mother in Iran. I used to see his picture every day. The picture was | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
the interrogation room and when I was not blindfolded, I could see | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
his picture. So, automatically, you know, when you live in a system | :15:35. | :15:42. | |
like this, you think that the person who ultimately can release | :15:42. | :15:51. | |
you from prison is this person. But with an exchange of letter between | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
the then president of the Wilson Center Leem Hamilton and the | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
supreme leader, Leem Hamilton asked him whether he could release me, | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
they sent him a grant. I never saw the content of the | :16:09. | :16:19. | |
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letter, but a couple of weeks later, I was released. The Ahmadinejad | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
chooses his pen pals and his visitors with great care. He | :16:28. | :16:34. | |
receives world leaders, but not Americans. With one recent | :16:34. | :16:44. | |
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exception. John Bryson Chane met the Ahmadinejad in 2001 during a | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
conference on religion. Will, I am sitting there going, "I don't know | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
what I am doing here." I am simply a bishop, but when I said that to | :16:58. | :17:06. | |
him. I said, "I am not a politician. I am a religious person. I am a | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
bishop and a theologian and I am probably a bad bishop, I don't know. | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
I have nothing prepared to say to you other than it is important to | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
have this the time with you and it is important to have this | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
conversation because of what we both know is ongoing between the | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
West and Iran." When I said that, he was not really smiling during | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
all of the introductions and when I said that, he smiled and in that | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
really - that really cracked open the door for the invitation to | :17:35. | :17:44. | |
continue conversation. I had a letter from him just before | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
Christmas. I had written to him - the letter - this particular letter | :17:50. | :17:59. | |
was a letter about the commonalitys that are two faith traditions share. | :17:59. | :18:08. | |
They were part of the Abrahimic This is the Ahmadinejad's burden - | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
guarding the memory of a revolution and then a war with Iraq and | :18:12. | :18:22. | |
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keeping it all safe from the outside world. Ham Ayatollah | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
Khamenei hasn't left Iran's borders since he became supreme leader. If | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
you met him now, what would you say to him? First I would say, "I don't | :18:32. | :18:42. | |
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know you. Who are you, Mr Ayatollah Khamenei?" Do you have time and | :18:45. | :18:53. | |
suggest he go to television and asked the people to please forgive | :18:53. | :19:03. | |
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me. All I do is strange and society finds further frodom. Do you think | :19:04. | :19:13. | |
this will happen? I think... (Laughs). No, I am talking that I | :19:13. | :19:20. | |
don't know what will happen. I guess nothing will happen because | :19:20. | :19:28. | |
your eyes are blind - you can't see anything or hear anything. | :19:28. | :19:38. | |
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So just the noise of his opponents in Tehran as the Ayatollah fears | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
being Joe run lick many before him. Will he ever step aside. He Gai his | :19:48. | :19:58. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 45 seconds | :19:58. | :20:42. | |
supporters his answer in an act of Betrayal of his people. Betrayal of | :20:42. | :20:48. | |
people who pretend they are vulnerable to him. He has a dope | :20:48. | :20:54. | |
feeling of mistrust towards -- a A deep feeling of mistrust towards | :20:54. | :21:04. | |
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If there is any conflict within the Ayatollah it is hidden well away. | :21:29. | :21:36. | |
If he has any doubt, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei will not share it. In the | :21:36. | :21:46. | |
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end, it is to God alone that the It has been a nice weekend for many | :22:15. | :22:23. | |
It has been a nice weekend for many of us. As far as tomorrow is | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
concerned, nothing too dramatic. It will be a fine day for many, very | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
warm when the sun comes out and that is most likely across the | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
eastern half of the UK. Further west, a lot of cloud around as we | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
re around about breakfast time. Bits | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
and pieces of rain for Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. No | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
great amounts at this stage. If you are journeying out around west | :22:47. | :22:55. | |
Wales... For Northern Ireland, a lot of cloud, some dampness across | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
eastern areas. Dryer and probably brighter further west. Scotland | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
seeing a lot of cloud against some patchy rain across western areas. | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
Some brightest developing around the coast, for example. A lot of | :23:06. | :23:14. | |
cloud through north west England. breakfast time. It will be a nice | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
day here warming up for the midlands and East Anglia. Sunshine | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
from the word go go. It is set to be a hot day. Brightness further | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
west, but as you get into Devon and Cornwall, a lot of cloud. Dribs and | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
drabs of rain on and off during the day. Even across the cloud year | :23:35. | :23:41. | |
parts, it might brighten up in east Wales. A good part of northern | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
England cheering up. When the weather does happen, it will turn | :23:44. | :23:51. | |
very warm. Widely up into the mid- 20s. Some places getting up at 28 | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
degrees. Midlands north of London. Further west, it will feel quite | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
humid out there. Not far off 20 degrees anyway. Cricket continues, | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
of course. Trent Bridge is set to be a fine day for the players. | :24:04. | :24:12. | |
Don't expect any interruptions at all. Wear sunscreen if you are | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
going to the game. Sunday sees a more meaningful chunk of wet | :24:18. | :24:24. | |
weather. Cool west to the - cool weather to the west. Probably the | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
hottest day. As the humidity builds we will see lively thunderstorms. | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
Don't take it literally. It is indicttive of storms rumbling | :24:35. | :24:38. |