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dozen cabinet posts. He has played such a key role in shaping his | :00:07. | :00:17. | |
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The president of Israel is 90. Shimon Peres is the oldest head of | :00:21. | :00:31. | |
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state in the world. He is even oldest than his country -- old. -- | :00:32. | :00:40. | |
he is even older than his country. He played a defining role in | :00:40. | :00:48. | |
Israel's past. But the amazing thing about him. He | :00:48. | :00:54. | |
has been right there at every critical point in Israel's history. | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
He is the ultimate survivor. A politician who kept losing a | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
lecterns but kept going. When you look at his career, you don't see | :01:04. | :01:12. | |
any political principle, except the principle that he has to be there. | :01:12. | :01:22. | |
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want to know, how does Shimon Peres being both doer and dreamer? | :01:24. | :01:34. | |
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didn't change. It's as simple as that. Mr Peres, and you can't, I've | :01:39. | :01:49. | |
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Reaching 90 is a landmark for anyone. The birthday party for this | :02:13. | :02:20. | |
president was something else. A spectacle. | :02:20. | :02:30. | |
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His friends and fans came from far and wide. Birthday, he is 90, now he | :02:30. | :02:38. | |
is president, what comes next? Britain, we have our Queen, and you | :02:38. | :02:46. | |
have your Shimon Peres. He is now in a largely ceremonial | :02:46. | :02:55. | |
role. Enjoying popularity he only dream job as a politician. At 90, he | :02:55. | :03:02. | |
is still hard at work. Israel's best-known ambassador. That is an | :03:02. | :03:10. | |
exaggeration. You have to inspect the calendar as well. How does it | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
feel to be having your 90th birthday party while the whole nation is | :03:13. | :03:23. | |
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watching? You must be happy to reach 90? What is the alternative?His | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
birthday party was part of a three-day conference. It was | :03:29. | :03:37. | |
labelled Shaping Tomorrow. The sum is rarely is, it went too far. -- | :03:37. | :03:47. | |
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for some Israelis. In time of oppression, in raising taxes, people | :03:48. | :03:56. | |
looked at it in very strange way. For others, it was a way to | :03:56. | :04:03. | |
celebrate a man who has been part of their history. He has been in a | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
leadership role for the past 65 years. There is a part of Israelis | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
but don't want to let go of that period, they don't want to let go of | :04:13. | :04:23. | |
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their founding fathers. Israel is hold on to their history . | :04:33. | :04:41. | |
They see it as key to their survival. Theodor Herzl, the | :04:41. | :04:51. | |
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foundation of Israel. At every decisive juncture, Shimon Peres has | :04:53. | :05:03. | |
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played a decisive role. Shimon Peres was born in what was | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
then Poland at 1923. The sun of a librarian and they'd timber | :05:11. | :05:21. | |
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merchant. -- the son of a librarian and a timber merchant. He joined the | :05:22. | :05:31. | |
youth movement. It wasn't long before he stood with the men who | :05:31. | :05:40. | |
were tasked with them role of building Israel. He became the | :05:40. | :05:50. | |
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youngest ever general of the defence Ministry. | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
The United States and Britain refused to sell arms to the new | :06:02. | :06:09. | |
state. So Shimon Peres turned to France. The single-minded | :06:09. | :06:19. | |
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determination came cheap define his career. -- came to define. | :06:22. | :06:32. | |
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He succeeded to get the weapons Israel needed. Today, Israel has the | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
most advanced military in the Middle East. Including significant | :06:43. | :06:53. | |
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airpower. The man who bought the first plane is still brings side. -- | :06:53. | :07:03. | |
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ringside. Even on days when Israel is talking | :07:11. | :07:21. | |
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about making peace, it has always been about peace and security. The | :07:22. | :07:32. | |
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two have always been linked in the life of Shimon Peres. I didn't | :07:37. | :07:47. | |
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change. If somebody wants... If somebody wants... It's as simple as | :07:47. | :07:57. | |
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that. In the early years, it prevailed. He | :08:10. | :08:20. | |
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did it despite fierce opposition here and abroad. You pushed almost | :08:20. | :08:30. | |
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single-handedly to give Israel back power. You feel vindicated now. | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
tried to build a nuclear option in order to get peace and not to get | :08:38. | :08:48. | |
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bombs. I think I achieved that purpose. I think piece started | :08:49. | :08:59. | |
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because... I never thought. -- peace. There are enemies. They | :09:09. | :09:19. | |
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wanted to destroy us. In its 65 years, Israel has gone to | :09:22. | :09:30. | |
war in every decade. It has done battle against Arab neighbours and | :09:30. | :09:39. | |
Palestinians. Always insisting it acted in self-defence. Always | :09:39. | :09:49. | |
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accused of aggression and occupation. | :09:51. | :09:59. | |
Two decades ago, the guns fell silent, at least for a moment. | :09:59. | :10:07. | |
Trying to make peace became the best defence against war. What we are | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
doing today, is more than signing an agreement, it is starting a | :10:12. | :10:22. | |
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revolution. Yesterday, I dream, today, a commitment. Israeli and | :10:27. | :10:37. | |
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Palestinian leaders put their signatures to the Oslo Accord. They | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
had made a strategic shift even if it was still difficult to seal it | :10:43. | :10:53. | |
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with a handshake. After a shock hands with Arafat. -- after I | :10:56. | :11:06. | |
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shook. I looked at Arafat as a human being with his strength and | :11:06. | :11:16. | |
weaknesses. As I permit myself my own weaknesses, we should permit | :11:16. | :11:26. | |
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others their weaknesses are. So they shook hands on the first deal. A | :11:26. | :11:36. | |
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year later, this historic deal inspired many. He also had a | :11:43. | :11:49. | |
perspective related to Israel's Place in the region and in the | :11:49. | :11:59. | |
community -- international community. A sufficient | :11:59. | :12:09. | |
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requirement... These are major achievements. | :12:11. | :12:20. | |
In November 1995, two old rivals stood together again at a peace | :12:20. | :12:28. | |
rally in Tel Aviv. The mood that night was euphoric. It was soon | :12:28. | :12:36. | |
shattered by a shocking turn. He was murdered. Shot by an Israeli | :12:36. | :12:46. | |
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fanatic, against the Oslo deal. As a correspondent covering these | :12:53. | :13:00. | |
events, I saw how the mood darkened dangerously. Israeli attacks on | :13:00. | :13:07. | |
Palestinians hadn't stopped either. Anger was mounting a specially | :13:07. | :13:17. | |
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amongst right wing Israelis. As he found, when he visited the site of | :13:18. | :13:28. | |
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one of the blasts. I came to the place, there were 40 people killed. | :13:30. | :13:40. | |
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The halls were full of blood. There were thousands around. I came in, | :13:42. | :13:52. | |
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everyone started shouting, killer, murderer, look what you did to us. | :13:58. | :14:05. | |
Now it's 20 years since Oslo. You never thought it was a mistake? | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
Hundreds were killed because of Oslo. Without Oslo, thousands would | :14:11. | :14:21. | |
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have been killed. In fact it would have been worse, terrible. | :14:22. | :14:29. | |
decades on, the two nations still haven't signed a final peace deal | :14:29. | :14:39. | |
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and the US is still trying to broker one. It is impossible to say how | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
many times Shimon Peres has had these kind of meetings to try to | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
move forward a troubled peace process. And the time has become an | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
issue. Not just because Shimon Peres is now 90 years old, because they | :14:54. | :15:04. | |
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say time is running out for a genuine peace deal. For the | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
Palestinians involved in this process, Shimon Peres is a | :15:09. | :15:19. | |
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formidable foe. This negotiating behaviour must stop, I said to him. | :15:23. | :15:30. | |
He said to me negotiating and pain and frustration for five years is | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
cheaper than exchanging bullets fired years. -- for five minutes. He | :15:35. | :15:45. | |
was right. Do you think he wants peace? He wants peace.Do you think | :15:45. | :15:55. | |
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you could have done more to achieve this? His greatest mistake was to | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
open up settlements. He thought he could have settlements and peace. I | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
told him he cannot many times. The choice is between settlements or | :16:06. | :16:16. | |
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peace. Some of the first Jewish settlements on occupied land were | :16:19. | :16:28. | |
built when someone is -- Shimon Peres was minister. Eight cost of | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
caravans were selected on the West Bank by an ultranationalist | :16:30. | :16:37. | |
religious movement. Some tried to stop the settlers, but Shimon Peres | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
backed them against his rivals in the Cabinet. In part, before his own | :16:42. | :16:51. | |
political gain. -- for his own political gain. Those who listen to | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
you talking about peace expect you to be more critical of settlement | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
building and they look back and they say that the first settlements were | :16:59. | :17:09. | |
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built on your watch. When my party lost, there were 22 settlements | :17:13. | :17:23. | |
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with, I think, 6000 people. That's what we built. When you compare the | :17:27. | :17:33. | |
6000 to 350,000. The Palestinians say that you cannot discuss the land | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
for a Palestinian state when they continued -- when these rivers | :17:39. | :17:46. | |
continue to build settlements on it. The Palestinians agreed there would | :17:46. | :17:56. | |
be three blocks. Jewish settlers on the West Bank remained. That was a | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
proposal introduced by President Clinton. It was right and | :18:00. | :18:10. | |
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acceptable. In my experience, negotiation is the main thing to | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
have new solutions. But the two state solution is regarded by many | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
as being at risk by the pace of settlement building. And there are | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
other major obstacles to a deal that demand painful compromises by | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
Israeli and Palestinian leaders. In the end, it comes down to political | :18:38. | :18:46. | |
will. And politics has been the life of Shimon Peres. Decades spent | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
negotiating, manipulating, manoeuvring. Always at the centre of | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
his political life. Three times Prime Minister, a dozen cabinet | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
posts. I met in the first time when he was close to 70. He was then | :19:01. | :19:07. | |
Foreign Minister. I thought that was the end of his career. But then he | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
became Foreign Minister again, he became prime minister, and then he | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
became president of the state of Israel. This is remarkable. | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
showed an ability to keep bouncing back from lost collections. Moving | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
across Israel's political spectrum, joining coalitions and shifting | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
allegiances. For some, it is that determination to survive that | :19:28. | :19:35. | |
defines him. The only political principle for him was Shimon Peres. | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
That is the only principle. He has to be in power and he has to be | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
where things are being held, where decisions are being held. When you | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
look at his career, you do not see any political principle except the | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
principle that he has to be there. What you say to your critics now | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
that say that when you were a politician who were more interested | :19:56. | :20:03. | |
in the position of the principles? would say it's normal to -- normal | :20:03. | :20:11. | |
for people to criticise. But on the other hand, I am surprised for the | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
support, not what people think. I have a rating of 80%. What does this | :20:16. | :20:26. | |
mean? I have to say nothing. It didn't take any PR company to do it. | :20:26. | :20:36. | |
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I did it. I remain the same person. Shimon Peres has always styled | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
himself as a man of vision, full of ideas and dreams for his young | :20:40. | :20:47. | |
nation. Now it is the world of brain research, nanotechnology, technology | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
of every kind has always captured his imagination. Even if he does not | :20:52. | :20:58. | |
always bring everyone with him. Sometimes he makes mistakes and | :20:58. | :21:08. | |
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sometimes people laugh at him. But as a Sun bought it, it is enough for | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
me that 10% of what my father is imagining added inventing will come | :21:12. | :21:19. | |
true, and I'll be happy. Whatever you think about his politics and his | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
ideas, there is no doubting his charisma. Even his critics succumb | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
to his sense of humour, his sharp wit. A wordsmith able to make people | :21:29. | :21:35. | |
laugh, even in the most trying of times. The first line he told me | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
once when we were arguing, he said you can make omelettes out of eggs | :21:41. | :21:50. | |
but you cannot make eggs out of omelettes. I asked him, is the light | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
at the end of the tunnel? And he said yes there is, but there is no | :21:54. | :22:01. | |
tunnel. Then there is the energy. The refusal to slow down, despite | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
his advancing years. His hectic schedule often takes him up and down | :22:04. | :22:11. | |
the country. Many ask you, what is the secret of your energy? What | :22:11. | :22:20. | |
keeps you going? The secret of my energy is simple. I use it. People | :22:20. | :22:27. | |
have too much pity about themselves, so they become lazy. If | :22:27. | :22:33. | |
you try, you achieved many things. Your life is becoming meaningful. | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
That is the greatest thing you can achieve in your life. The | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
alternative is to be bored. A person who is bored as the person who is | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
dead. I am never bored in my life. But despite all his drive and | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
ambition, in the twilight of his career, one goal still eludes him. | :22:53. | :23:02. | |
Peace. In his role as president, there is only so much you can do. | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
Here's what we call the shields. He was the for the second Benjamin | :23:05. | :23:13. | |
Netanyahu government. That is the guy who ensures -- assure us that | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
the Americans and the Europeans that everything is working. Always | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
reaching an agreement, just give them some time. And in a | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
relationship with Prime Minister Netanyahu. Be sure that he shares | :23:28. | :23:38. | |
your vision of the two state solution? For many years, the | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
declaration that there was a distant solution is an ideological step | :23:40. | :23:47. | |
forward. But he does not have the kind of cabinet that can make peace. | :23:47. | :23:57. | |
Most are against that solution. Maybe I look upon it differently | :23:57. | :24:05. | |
than his party, so what. I can do what I can do. There is no dictator | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
in a democratic country. I cannot give orders. Many saying time is | :24:09. | :24:19. | |
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running out. Maybe. So, time is up. What to do? Time is out, we not out. | :24:19. | :24:29. | |
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Life is not out. So I have to continue and thrive. That is it. | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
that surprised me. The would-be peacemaker who seems at peace with | :24:35. | :24:44. | |
the prospect he may not achieve it. But perhaps, that is Shimon Peres. | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
The philosopher who is first and foremost the ultimate pragmatist. As | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
we walk through the grounds of his official residence, we find a | :24:52. | :25:02. | |
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fitting symbol. It has one trunk and to trees coming from the same trunk. | :25:06. | :25:12. | |
You have a fig tree and an olive tree? That is a Shimon Peres tree. | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
Two things in one. I am not to things. I am one thing in two | :25:18. | :25:25. | |
different situations. Shimon Peres is a man had his time. As times | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
change, so has he. Through the decades, he changed the course of | :25:29. | :25:39. | |
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