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to the truth of what went on behind the convent walls, including the | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
notorious Magdalene Laundries. The discovery that some 800 babies had | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
died at a former mother and AB home run by the nuns in Ireland, and that | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
there were these had been put in unmarked and horribly inappropriate | :00:19. | :00:25. | |
graves, shocked the world. It is a sewage tank. Why are their children | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
buried in a sewerage area? The religious orders are back in the | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
spotlight. The government has called an enquiry, the sixth into what went | :00:35. | :00:45. | |
on behind content walls. They won't properly enquire, because I know | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
what the government alike. Report, into the Magdalene Laundries, run by | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
the nuns, is a whitewash, according to survivors. They took my life, | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
they took me there, they took my clothes, they took my name, and they | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
also took my daughter, which was the worst of all. The survivors want the | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
new enquiry to also look into the story, and for the nuns to be held | :01:07. | :01:14. | |
to account. All I wanted was, please, somebody to give me an | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
apology for what happened to me. Will this latest enquiry tell the | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
whole truth of the suffering of those put in the care of the nuns? | :01:22. | :01:41. | |
Survivors of a home run by the nuns for single mothers in this county | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
gather for a reunion. They are the lucky ones. They survived. There | :01:49. | :01:55. | |
were thousands of babies born here. There were hundreds of them died, | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
and I remembered the nuns coming down with little brown shoeboxes to | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
bury the children. And when the workmen buried those little babies | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
he put nails in the wall to represent each child he buried. Now | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
the government has announced yet another enquiry into the mother and | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
baby homes. These survivors say they won't he fobbed off. We will have | :02:20. | :02:28. | |
found a voice and will not be silent. They are angry because they | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
say earlier reports, like that into Magdalene Laundries, failed to tell | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
the whole truth of what really went on in Ireland's religious | :02:38. | :02:46. | |
institutions. Questions began to be asked when back in the early 1990s | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
the nuns who owned the vast content in Dublin wanted to sell the land | :02:54. | :03:02. | |
where now there is a car park. The problem was that the plot they | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
wanted to sell, which back in 1993 looked like an empty Greenfield, was | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
in fact filled with the bodies of former laundry workers. I tracked | :03:12. | :03:20. | |
down a gravedigger employed by the nuns to dig them up in Co. Mac | :03:21. | :03:32. | |
County Kildare. He agreed to give an interview. They didn't want anyone | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
to know what was going on. It was all hush`hush. We were supposed to | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
tell no one. Nuns told him there were 133 bodies buried in the plot. | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
I said there were more bodies buried there. They said no, there is 133. | :03:47. | :03:53. | |
We started digging, and kept digging until we had dug out the whole, and | :03:54. | :04:00. | |
we had 22 more, that we didn't even know was there. So there were 22 | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
that never know was there. Didn't even know were there. And he found | :04:04. | :04:11. | |
something else inside grave. There were marks on their wrist is, feet, | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
ankles, broken arms and broken legs. It seemed to me like. The women were | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
too small, too frail for that kind of work. There was shock at the | :04:24. | :04:36. | |
story of unrecorded burials and corpses with broken limbs. People | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
began to ask what had been going on in the laundry is? The few pictures | :04:41. | :04:49. | |
that exist give a rose tinted view. No sign here of the crippling work | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
described by survivors. Thousands of women and girls were sent to work | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
unpaid to a network of laundry is all over Ireland. They were sent by | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
the State, by their parents, by local priest, and if they were | :05:04. | :05:14. | |
orphans, by the nuns. Mary Merrett was born of a single mother at a | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
mother and baby home and was sent to an orphanage run by nuns in Ireland | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
for most of the last century. One day when she was 11 she was so | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
hungry she took an Apple from an orchard. She was sent to work in a | :05:29. | :05:36. | |
laundry in Dublin. They took me to Hyde Park content, and they left me | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
there and they said now you stay there until you learn to stop | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
stealing. And how long did that take? I was 14 years there. I went | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
there on the 7th of January 1947, and they came out of their in | :05:50. | :05:57. | |
September 1960. Did you ever ask why you were therefore 14 years for | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
stealing an Apple? Yes, I did ask them. And I asked was ever going to | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
get out of here? Am I going to die here? Because some of the women had | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
been there for so 56 or 57 years. I thought I going to be the same and | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
am I going to have to die in this place? One of my jobs was to help to | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
lay out the women when they died. I was happy to do it. Because it | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
leaves these women were getting out of the laundry and their suffering | :06:25. | :06:32. | |
was over. So that was my friend, Mary. She worked for the Magdalen | :06:33. | :06:48. | |
laundry for 56 years. I moved on to Waterford, where I learned you | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
didn't have to steal an Apple to get sent to a laundry. So what do you | :06:53. | :07:01. | |
remember as you walk down these corridors? Elisabeth had been abused | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
by her step`father and was sent to took out when she was or team, and | :07:06. | :07:14. | |
put her to work in a laundry. `` when she was 14. The first laundry I | :07:15. | :07:21. | |
was in was a nightmare. I worked from eight in the morning to six at | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
night. Every day except for Sunday and bank holidays. By my God. You | :07:25. | :07:37. | |
know what? This brings back so much memories. It has changed, and yet it | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
is the same. We used to have to go to confession once a week here. The | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
priest would sit in here, and we would go | :07:49. | :07:58. | |
would you commit any way? You didn't have time. We didn't have time to | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
send. If anything, they were committing a sin against, | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
torturing us. They were the centres, not us. This is where we came every | :08:05. | :08:14. | |
single day for mass. The Magdalene women and girls. We had to come here | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
even if we were sick or not. You just had to. As more such stories | :08:18. | :08:25. | |
come to light, the more the Irish public demand to know how this | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
catalogue of slave Labour was allowed to go on until the last of | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
the laundry is closed in the 1990s. After all, the government was paying | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
for women and children to be cared for in these institutions. It was | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
when the United Nations commission on torture called for an | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
investigation that the government here agreed to an enquiry. But with | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
a narrow remit of looking into state involvement into the running of the | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
Magdalene Laundries. When the senator brought out his report at | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
the end of last year there was widespread criticism. Survivors were | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
astounded to read that the report decided to not make specific | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
findings on the issue of living and working conditions, in light of the | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
small sample of women available. Despite the harrowing testimony of | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
many women who complain of ill treatment. Elisabeth told the | :09:17. | :09:23. | |
enquiry she was put into a punishment cell at a laundry in | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
Cork, after wrongly being accused of stealing sweets. I was in there for | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
three days and three nights, until they decided I'd learnt my lesson | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
for something I didn't do. But that was, again, it was all about mind | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
games. It was just controlling you. When Elisabeth tried to run away, | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
she was sent to another laundry, with an even stricter regime. They | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
shaved my head. And I had to wear a uniform. So straightaway, your | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
identity is taken, because my name was changed, my hair was cut, and | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
I'm not wearing my own clothes. And I'm stuck in there and I have to | :10:02. | :10:10. | |
answer to the name Enda, which is a man's name. So how do you cope | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
without? Why do you think they did that? Just to dehumanise me. To make | :10:15. | :10:25. | |
me feel nothing in society. Mary also tried to escape. She broke a | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
window and ran into the town, where she begged a priest to help her. He | :10:30. | :10:37. | |
raped her. I'd never been out in the world in my life. And I had no idea | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
what was going on. I was crying my eyes out, and they said you're | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
hurting me. Then when he was finished he said now, this is | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
between us. I'm going to give you six pints, and this is between us, | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
the set. Don't tell anybody, he said. Only trained to help you. He | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
said. The police took a back to the laundry. Mary says she also told the | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
commission how the nuns didn't believe she had been raped. They put | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
her in the punishment cell for running away. One of the nuns came | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
down and cut my head to the bone. And then I was taken up and I was in | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
a room with all the women there, kneel down, kiss the floor, and say | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
I'm sorry for what I did. And promised not to do it again, which I | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
didn't promise, of course. I said no, I'm not promising you anything. | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
Because I want to get out of here. And I will do it again. | :11:33. | :11:41. | |
Many girls and women tried to run away. I went to Limerick to meet | :11:42. | :11:51. | |
Gabrielle. This is the more I tried to escape from many times but in | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
those days they had glass all along the top, so there was no chance. | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
Then, in the end, I remember falling off and I still actually got the | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
scars to prove it. Gabrielle was 17 when she was sent to the laundry | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
here. Her mother asked the nuns to stop running away with her boyfriend | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
and be obliged by imprisoning her. This was the yard. It was kind of | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
like an exercise yard. You would walk around. That was the only | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
exercise you got, really. You would just walk around I do know how long. | :12:29. | :12:38. | |
Same as a prison. We worked the same system. Gabrielle didn't do the | :12:39. | :12:48. | |
laundry. She was put to unpaid work, making the famous Limerick lace now | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
on display in the city Museum. We would be making lace from 9am until | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
6pm. And they would have the American market, holidaymakers, if | :13:02. | :13:09. | |
you like, coming over, coming into the convent, looking at what we were | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
doing and they would place orders and they would buy stuff. We mainly | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
were selling collars, lace collars, handkerchiefs, all little things | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
like that. It was big business? It was and they were making money on | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
it. They say it wasn't commercial but it was. But it was a very secret | :13:30. | :13:38. | |
thing. Which is odd because the report says that the date and made | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
available by the nuns suggested that the Magdalene laundries were | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
operated on close to breakeven basis, rather than on a commercial | :13:50. | :13:50. | |
or highly profitable basis. The nuns are famously secretive | :13:51. | :14:03. | |
about money but their old ledges can turn up in the strangest places. A | :14:04. | :14:10. | |
public and in Limerick bought all the furniture from the laundry when | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
it closed and found four ledges dating back to the 1950s. Do you get | :14:15. | :14:21. | |
many people asking to look at them? I don't. Pages and pages of private | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
individuals. Hundreds of these. Here, the bigger clients. Colleges, | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
churches, restaurants. The hotel, the railway hotel. Here, the | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
Limerick lawn tennis club. There wasn't much going on in Limerick | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
where the nuns weren't doing the washing for them. I found a more | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
recent letter from 1980 in a museum in Dublin. It's from the Hyde Park | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
laundry, where Mary worked. It reveals even bigger clients, | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
including government contracts. We have the airport. One of the | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
country's main train stations. Airlines, government departments | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
like the department of fisheries. Hotels, private individuals. | :15:08. | :15:17. | |
Confidence and others. `` convents. No wonder trade unions and | :15:18. | :15:19. | |
commercial laundries complained at the time. They were competing | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
against the nuns, whose overheads didn't include wages. They had free | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
and forced labour. And for how long were the women forced to work? | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
According to the report, the average or median duration of stay in the | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
laundries was approximately seven months. | :15:38. | :15:44. | |
By comparing headstones with electoral rolls, Clare discovered | :15:45. | :15:52. | |
that four on ten year period most women at the Hyde Park laundry were | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
therefore a minimum of eight years. We've looked at electoral registers | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
for example from 1954 on till 64 and looking at Hyde Park in particular | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
we have been able to show that at least 46% of these women from 1954 | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
on till 64 never got out. Also, you've got a woman in memory can be | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
spent 74 years. In 1911 we have had their at 18. So, again, it tells a | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
completely different story to that of the report and the figures are | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
presented is frankly misleading and is not respectful of the lived | :16:29. | :16:36. | |
experience of these women. And, as if to confirm her point, I stumble | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
across a newly dug grave for a former laundry worker due to be | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
buried the next day. Like these women, she went from working in the | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
laundry to living in the convent. Another example of how the enquiry | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
was less than thorough with the figures, they counted as workers in | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
the Magdalene laundries only those who were there when they shut down. | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
Forgetting that hundreds had become so institutionalised that they never | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
left. They were there, still, under the care of the nuns were they died. | :17:10. | :17:18. | |
`` when they died. I wanted to talk to the nuns about this and other | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
matters. I asked the four main orders involved about the | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
allegations made by Mary and other women but they all refused to be | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
interviewed. So, Mary and I called on the headquarters of the sisters | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
of our Lady of charity in Dublin, where an administrator came to the | :17:36. | :17:43. | |
gate. Good morning. I'm here from the BBC and this is Mary, a former | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
Magdalene laundry worker. You have already sent in a request and you've | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
had your answer to that request. No, we have been refused an | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
interview but we still have some important questions to ask. All I | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
wanted was for somebody to give me an apology for what happened to me. | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
That's all I wanted! Have you been in touch with our PR people? We | :18:07. | :18:14. | |
have. This is not my job. We were clearly not going to be invited in. | :18:15. | :18:15. | |
Goodbye. Mary and other survivors are getting | :18:16. | :18:29. | |
compensation from the government for time served in the Magdalene | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
laundries but they feel betrayed by the report. The senator turned down | :18:34. | :18:40. | |
my request for an interview, however the government has apologised and I | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
was invited to meet Ireland's Deputy Prime Minister, who was herself born | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
to a single mother and put up for adoption by the nuns. Her mother | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
died before she managed to find her. I recall sitting in kitchens in | :18:54. | :19:01. | |
rural areas of Ireland and women crying and just saying to me, and | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
they had known my birth mother and my birth father, that things were so | :19:07. | :19:14. | |
different now and it was so difficult, it was impossible. When | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
mostly to these women, what they want is for the truth to be told. We | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
now have the process for preparing a full official report by very | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
experienced judge who has been involved. Do you admit the McAleese | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
enquiry was less than thorough? It was an enquiry at a point in time. | :19:35. | :19:36. | |
The critical thing that it achieved was recognition for what women had | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
experienced and what women had gone through. At the women themselves say | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
it didn't. For example, the glossing over of the abuse, the duration of | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
stay. I have met personally a huge number of women, through my own | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
personal knowledge, and I do know that what is important for a lot of | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
the women is that they would receive redress payment and as I said that's | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
one of the critical things to happen. The cost of paying | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
compensation, or redress as it's called in Ireland, is expected to | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
run into tens of millions of euros. For those responsible for running | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
the laundries, the nuns are not being asked to pay. `` those | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
responsible. Not only were they making money from the laundries, but | :20:28. | :20:33. | |
after they closed the nuns made even more from property sales. They now | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
have assets estimated at over 1.5 million euros. `` million. What | :20:39. | :20:46. | |
about the nuns? They have the money. Why aren't a made to pay? Over the | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
years, property has been forthcoming but nothing like the amounts of | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
funding and compensation and partaking in the rigourous scheme to | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
the tune that we would like. `` redress scheme. That's a continuing | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
conversation. That's you, when you were a baby. When they took you away | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
from me. After Mary was raped, she gave birth to a daughter. The baby | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
was taken by the nuns and put up for adoption and Mary was sent back to | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
work in the laundry. For 40 years is she only had a photo. You have to | :21:25. | :21:33. | |
keep them forever now. I will. I will treasure them. Mary now lives | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
in the UK. A few years ago, with the help of British social workers, she | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
found her. Mary is desperate to assure her daughter that she didn't | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
give her away willingly. You don't blame me for anything? No, God, no. | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
It wasn't my fault. Know one has ever been prosecuted. | :21:56. | :22:09. | |
The nuns haven't paid up and they've been reluctant to find the records | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
which could unite survivors of the mother and baby homes with their | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
families. Now these people await an enquiry into their past. Justice for | :22:18. | :22:28. | |
mothers and for the babies. But the indications are that the new | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
government enquiry will not look again at the laundries. I would love | :22:31. | :22:40. | |
to get to the route but they won't. They won't enquire a properly. I | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
know what the government is like. They cover up. The church and state | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
work together. I want somebody to apologise to me. The nuns, the | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
church, the priest, somebody to apologise to me before I die. | :22:54. | :23:26. | |
This very dry September continues. Very little rain this weekend. A few | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
light showers but most places will be dry. There will be a lot of | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
cloud. Where the sun pops out it will be warm. The main issues will | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
be thick morning fog patches. Quite dense and thickening up further in | :23:42. | :23:43. | |
the south, especially south`west | :23:44. | :23:44. |