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In Britain, one in four say they believe in reincarnation. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
The idea that we live not once, not twice, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
but countless lives, has great appeal. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
Death itself doesn't exist. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
The soul is stepping in, to one body, to the next. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
An idea so enticing, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
it's embraced by celebrities, like Julia Roberts and Britney Spears. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:33 | |
It's also a belief found in many faiths - | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
Sikhism, Jainism, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
Kabbalah and Scientology. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
A third of Christians say they believe in it, even though | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
it's not a part of Christian doctrine. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
But today, the true meaning of this ancient belief | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
seems to have got lost. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
Reincarnation has its roots in the world's oldest organised religion - | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
Hinduism. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
It's like the difference between Heaven and Earth for us. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
If you create a good bank balance in the bank of God, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
you get a new life, but based on your previous life, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
and that is reincarnation. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:16 | |
Far from being a spiritual accessory, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
it's a belief that makes real demands. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
This earth plane is a school. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
We have to learn certain lessons, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
and every time we fail, we have to repeat that class again. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
Other people might say perhaps you're going through this bad time, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
because you were a bad person. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
If I was, then in this life, I'm going to put that right. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
Reincarnation is a trap. Life, then death, then life then death. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
It's mundane. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:47 | |
As Hindus prepare to celebrate Diwali, we ask, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
what does reincarnation actually mean to British Hindus? | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
In a funeral home in North London, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
the Patel family mark the passing of 84-year-old Baa Patel, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:16 | |
or at least, the passing of her current life. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
For this is no ordinary funeral. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
Hindus believe that death isn't the end, it is the beginning of life. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
THEY CHANT | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
These are sacred items, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
which signify that we are performing a fire sacrifice. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
This first part of the ceremony is led by Hindu priest Nila Madhava Das. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
HE CHANTS | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
Within the Hindu culture, death itself doesn't exist. | 0:02:55 | 0:03:01 | |
Because the true identity of the body is the soul, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
which is what we are. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
And for the soul there is neither birth, death, old age or disease. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
And hence therefore, when the body dies, the soul comes out, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
and transmigrates into another existence, another body. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
And that's the Hindu belief. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
Nila takes inspiration from Hindu scripture - the Bhagavad Gita. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
It says that the true identity of the individual is the atma, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
the soul. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
The Patels believe this ceremony | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
helps their grandmother's soul leave the body. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
Without it, she could become a ghost, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
unable to be reborn into another life. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
I feel she is probably somewhere, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
just very happy, smiling, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
and sort of beginning to live a new life. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
I don't think she had a bad bone in her body, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
-so I hope that in her next life... -She's rewarded. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
She lives the best of the best life. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
She looked after everyone, doesn't matter who they were. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
She took them under her wing and that was it. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
So wherever she may be now, I hope it's just...what she wants. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
-Peace. -Just good, good luck. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
I know people have different perception of reincarnation, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
but I believe that she's probably born into another human being. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
So the next baby that's born, that could be her, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
coming back as another human being. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
PRIEST PRAYS | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
We shall conclude the ceremony with the sounding | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
of the auspicious shankh. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
The sound is transcendental sound vibration, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
which signifies that we have begun and ended a particular ceremony. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:07 | |
HE BLOWS INTO SHANKH | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
On the face of it, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
reincarnation seems to make few demands on believers. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
In fact, it's quite the opposite. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
Deepu Murpuri runs his own company, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
and lives a comfortable life with his wife Gita in North London. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
They are devout Hindus who know they have a good life. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
Every week, Deepu meets up with 18 other Hindu families | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
in central London. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
-You got enough volunteers? -Yeah. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
-The bananas? -Yeah. | 0:05:58 | 0:05:59 | |
That's the drinks side, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
and then, we do the food on that side. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
So you can come and join us on the food side. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Together, their charity, the Sadhu Vaswani Centre, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
gives food to the homeless. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
In the Bhagavad Gita, it says you must do your duty. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
And this is our duty - to help our fellow man. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
But by the grace of God, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
one of these men could have been me. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
And I would like to think there would be someone coming out | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
to feed me, so I thank God for all the privileges | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
he has bestowed on me and my friends and family. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
So we do a little part, to pay back. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
OK, where are the serving spoons? | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
Belief in reincarnation also means Deepu has half an eye | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
on the next life. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Knowing that we have many lives, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:53 | |
it keeps us aware that we must continuously do good actions | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
and be good, so that our future lives are more comfortable. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
The whole idea of reincarnation hinges on another belief. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:12 | |
Reincarnation can only exist with the concept of karma. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
And karma is, what goes around, comes around. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
It is Newton's third law of motion, for instance - | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
to every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
Hence, it would be advisable to perform positive activity | 0:07:29 | 0:07:35 | |
which is not detrimental to the soul. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Good activities, humanitarian activities, pious activities, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
and above that, devotion to God. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
'Our karma changes what we go to the next life. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
'So bad karma is very bad karma, and then, next life is' | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
where you go through pain and hassle and trouble. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
And you just pay, pay, pay. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
You have no say in anything, you cannot control anything. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
But if you do good enough deeds in this life, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
and create a good bank balance in the bank of God, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
which is transferable, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:18 | |
simply speaking, you get into good karma. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
Reincarnation asks of Hindus that they lead a virtuous life. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
But doing good to others isn't the whole story. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
Deepu also feeds the birds in Regent's Park. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
There's a thread of life, going through the whole of Creation. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
And animals are our younger brothers and sisters. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
They have the same feelings as we have for their offspring, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
they also form relations, and they feel pain as well. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
Maybe in a previous lifetime I was one of these pigeons, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
and I was being fed. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
So by way of thanking God, I want to return the favour. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
Hindu tradition suggests that all life is a pyramid, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
with humans at the top. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
But the soul, or atma, can move up and down | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
through different forms of life. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
It would be a concern of a Hindu | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
to better him or herself, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
because if one doesn't, then most certainly, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
within the Hindu belief, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
you don't really want to come back as a lower life form. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
If you are, let's say, a human being | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
and you have performed karma which is somewhat detrimental, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
then you would come back as a lower life form, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
which may not be necessarily desirable - | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
a life of a dog, or a life of a cat, for instance. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Of course, dogs and cats in this country are well looked after, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
but in the rest of the world, they're not so well looked after. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
Reincarnation is not a "feel-good" belief. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
It makes serious demands. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
But for some Hindus, it can also be a comfort. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
It can help come to terms with suffering and sorrow. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
SINGING | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
50-year-old Satish Topiwala has lived in Leicester for 40 years | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
with his wife and family. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
As a child, he was paralysed with polio. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
He couldn't walk for most of his early years, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
and today he walks using callipers. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
Some Hindus believe that his polio could be down to bad karma | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
in a previous life. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
Yet for Satish, his faith in reincarnation | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
has left him with a positive outlook. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
He even sees his condition as an opportunity. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
People might say perhaps you are going through this bad time | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
because you were a bad person before. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
So OK, if I was, then in this life I'm going to put that right. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:26 | |
I'm going to do all the good things in this life, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
so that I can cover all the bad things I did previously. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
So by being a good human being and doing good deeds, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
what I'm doing is overcoming all the bad deeds I may have done | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
in my previous life, and so much so, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
that if I come back as a human being, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
then I don't go through the same problem, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
and do even greater deeds in my next life. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
Reincarnation even helps him confront tragedy. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
One weekend, five years ago, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
Satish's faith was put to the ultimate test. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
His 17-year-old son Vishal | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
was about to start an apprenticeship in construction. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
And Satish was looking forward to helping his son prepare for it. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
But this weekend would end in tragic loss. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
That particular weekend, I was going to take him | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
to buy some...construction boots and stuff, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
and a hard hat and things. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
But he wasn't feeling too good the day before, which was a Friday, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
and Saturday morning, we felt that, OK, he's having a lie-in, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
which was very unusual for him. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
So we let him, and I made a cooked breakfast, which he enjoys, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
and just as it was ready to be served, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
I said, "It's a bit late", because it was almost 11, 11.30, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
so I went along to see about getting him up. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
And as soon as I opened his bedroom door... | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
I just felt in my heart that... he's no longer with us. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
Vishal had died in the middle of the night. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
The coroner gave an open verdict. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
The colour of his body - I just felt it. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
I touched him and he was cold. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
And I think that's one of the other things which I've found very hard, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
is since then, it's like a video recording. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
Because I saw that, and every time I see, or try to remember him, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
that's the first thing that comes. It's like on a loop. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
I just keep seeing that image of him lying there. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
As a parent, if your kids die before you, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
it's very difficult to handle. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
It hit me very badly. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
HE SINGS | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
Satish sought help from local priest Hemang Bhatt, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
who conducted his son's funeral, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:16 | |
and helped him begin to make sense of this immense loss. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
THEY SING | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
'I know Satish's family very well, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
'because I have done a couple of religious ceremonies | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
'with their family.' | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
It was a very hard time when I did the funeral, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
last time at their house. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
Especially his son. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
A very, very moving occasion. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
Most of the time when we do the funeral of elders, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
we say we want to celebrate their life, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
whilst we are upset that they have left us. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
But when somebody passes away at a younger age, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
it's very hard to digest. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
It was very hard for both of us to perform the ceremony. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
It is only now that Satish has come to terms with the incomprehensible. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
My son's life was limited. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:20 | |
From the moment he was born, he was going to go, at age of 17, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
but I didn't know about it. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
But now, I've come to accept, that was his time with us. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
In life, reincarnation asks believers to see a purpose in suffering | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
and to live a virtuous life. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
But it also makes great demands | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
when dealing with the event that comes to all of us... | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
..death itself. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:53 | |
In India, a successful rebirth | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
relies on meticulous attention to ritual. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
The key is devotion to Agni, the god of fire. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
The majority of the ceremonies conducted within the Hindu culture | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
would consist of a fire sacrifice. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
When one gets married, for instance, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
one gets married in front of the fire sacrifice. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
The fire is the witness. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
And the ultimate and the final fire sacrifice which is performed | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
is that of death, whereby the body is cremated. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
In India, bodies are burned on an open funeral pyre for all to see. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
It's a public ceremony | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
that graphically confronts the mourners with their own mortality. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
In the open pyre, we used to see the body parts detach and burn away. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:04 | |
That was called "smashana vairagya", | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
which means, "Look at that which is happening just now. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
"No sooner is it going to happen to you. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
"Why waste your time and argue about small things in this world, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
"when the bigger picture is, you will only be here for so long?" | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
And that's a good physical reminder, according to Hindu faith. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
The burning of the body is crucial. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
We give the body to the fire, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
the fire helps us convert it back to where it came from, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
the five basic elements - | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
earth, water, air, fire, and emptiness. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
This fire encourages the soul, or atma, to quickly leave the body | 0:17:45 | 0:17:51 | |
to go on its journey to the next life. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
In North London, it's the second part of the funeral of Baa Patel. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:02 | |
Today, her body is escorted to the crematorium. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
And just like in India, the aim is to release the soul, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
so that it can begin its reincarnation. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
PRIEST PRAYS | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
This ceremony looks similar to other cremation services. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
There is music, prayers and eulogies. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
But it doesn't end when the final curtain is drawn. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
The Patels are expected to go to the furnace chamber | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
to see the actual moment of cremation. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
If you left the coffin behind the curtains, | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
in your mind it will be left behind the curtain, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
and you walked away, you think that the person is still there. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
Witnessing the cremation brings closure | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
that the body has been cremated, and they have parted company with it | 0:19:08 | 0:19:14 | |
and it is now disintegrating by fire. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Witnessing the cremation reminds the family of their heritage. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
Most Hindu families are happy with cremation British-style. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
But some believe they should stick to traditional ways. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
39-year-old yoga teacher Ajay Kumar | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
is spending every hour he can at the local hospital in Slough. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
He has just heard that his father, who is dying from liver cirrhosis, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
now has only a few days left to live. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
As the eldest son, he believes it's his duty | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
to hold an open pyre cremation for his father. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
The problem with the current way of cremation | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
is that it's a mechanical process. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
It's devoid of all spiritual practices. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
And the most important spiritual practice | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
is the actual lighting of the fire, using what we call agni. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
There's a difference between agni, which is the divine fire, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
and just the ordinary fire. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
It's like the difference between Heaven and Earth for us. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
The funeral pyre is actually lit, literally, by the son. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
Then the holy fire, or agni, is invoked. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
And it's important for us to conduct these final rites correctly, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
so that the spirit soul, or "jeevatma", as we call it, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
can actually leave the body. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
If your final rites are not conducted correctly, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
then you would become a ghost and a spirit which is lost in other worlds | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
and would never even reach its destination. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
More and more British Hindus want to hold open pyre cremations. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
Last year, in a landmark ruling at London's Court of Appeal, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
72-year-old Davinder Ghai won his case to be cremated this way. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
It's so important because it's to free the soul. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
And that helps for the reincarnation. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
And if the soul is restless, you can't be born again. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
But as yet, no council has given planning permission | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
for a suitable building to hold an open pyre cremation. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
Until that happens, such a ceremony would be illegal. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
At this moment I am writing a letter to the council, asking them, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
pleading to them really, to, at this late stage, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
to consider granting us a plot of land, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:33 | |
temporary access, to perform this open pyre cremation. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
Two days after this interview, Ajay's father died. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
Ajay wasn't given permission to hold an open-air funeral pyre. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
But at the local crematorium, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
the council allowed him right into the furnace room. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
There, he lit his father's body with agni, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
the holy fire. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
Belief in reincarnation is not the spiritual accessory | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
so many in the West believe it is. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
Indeed, a virtuous life | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
and precise rituals are not even what's most demanding about it. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
The biggest challenge is the sheer numbers of cycles | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
of birth and rebirth. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
It is mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
that there are 8.4 million species of life, just within this universe. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:58 | |
So the soul has the opportunity to transmigrate into all these species. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:05 | |
There are lots of life forms, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
and you could start with the simplest of bacterium, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
and there are lots of varieties in there - millions. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
And then you go to viruses - again, millions. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
And then you go to small insects, small animals, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
then you go to the mammals - dogs, cats... | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
And then you go finally to human level. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
But if 8.4 million cycles does indeed seem like an infinity, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:37 | |
the rewards are also infinitely blissful. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
The end goal of reincarnation is to achieve the ultimate salvation, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:51 | |
and that is in the spiritual world, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
and to attain a spiritual body, which is eternal. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
And when one attains a spiritual body, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
reincarnation ceases to exist. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
In Hinduism, this state is called moksha, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
meaning liberation, mukti, release, and most commonly, nirvana. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:15 | |
Nirvana is a state, and during that state, you don't have a body. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:21 | |
You are bodiless, in energy form with God. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
And therefore, the bodiless state of nirvana | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
alleviates all the problems associated with the body. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:35 | |
It's indescribable, because it's... | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
the best form of unconditional love you can imagine. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
It's contentment, it's joy. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
It's when there is no want, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
and you are just at peace, for an eternity. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
It's undescribable, they say. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
You merge with the supreme consciousness, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
like we are drops of an ocean, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
and then we just merge with this mighty ocean, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
where there is just complete tranquillity. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
I won't be in a body, I won't be in anything. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
I will be a spirit. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
I don't think where I am going to go is a physical place. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
I won't be a tree, I won't be wearing glasses any more, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
I won't be a disabled person. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
Whatever gives you that ultimate pleasure, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
imagine that, for ever. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
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