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This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find disturbing | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
September 21st last year, Nairobi, Kenya. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Islamist gunmen rampage through a shopping mall. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
They murder in cold blood at least 67 innocent people, | 0:00:14 | 0:00:19 | |
including children. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
As the gunmen run amok, a 29-year-old white English woman, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
the widow of one of the 7/7 suicide bombers, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
is accused of masterminding the attack. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
Interpol quickly add her to the list of the world's most wanted | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
criminals, but who is Samantha Lewthwaite? | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
I would say she was your typical innocent, British, English rose. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
But this English rose married a suicide bomber. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
She must have known a lot of what was going on | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
and chose not to disclose it. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Her and her bomber husband's inspiration was an Islamist cleric | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
imprisoned for inciting murder. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
He speaks about her for the first time. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
She lost her husband in the 7/7 bombing, so I would think | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
she would be sad, but when she came she was jovial, she looked happy. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
The persona that she came across is like it's business as usual for her. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
Life goes on. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
Now she's on the run, evading the police through | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
a series of African countries. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
My children have said they've taken sweets from her. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
I didn't think she was dangerous. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
She was always dressed with her veil, hooded over. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
She had a big old white Mercedes, which you notice. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:47 | |
The newspapers would be knocking on people's doors, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
she just said to me don't say anything. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
Can this English rose really be some kind of terrorist mastermind? | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
Or is she more concerned with shopping and slimming? | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
The Islamic domestic goddess that she describes in her diary. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
When a man comes home, wife beautiful, food prepared, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
kids clean, this is like Halal magic. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
But can anyone find the White Widow? | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
Samantha, Samantha, Samantha, if she can keep the intelligence services | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
of the world on their toes for so long, then she's a super lady. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
I wish I knew where she was, I want to propose to her. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
'The 22nd September, 2013. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
'I'm in the air, destination Nairobi. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
'We're 24 hours into the Westgate siege. The shooting continues. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:11 | |
'Witnesses say the gunmen asked shoppers if they're Muslim - | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
'can they recite the Koran? | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
'Unbelievers are shown no mercy. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
'As I arrive, a Somali Islamist group, al-Shabab, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
'an affiliate of al-Qaeda, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
'claim responsibility for the attack that's still going on.' | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
'For the last four months, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
'I've been on the trail of Samantha Lewthwaite, the White Widow. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
'Now, everyone's after her. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
'Some of the British press claim that she's inside, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
'masterminding the operation.' | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
And do you think Samantha Lewthwaite is inside? | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
After four days, the siege ends. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
The four Somali gunmen are believed dead. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
There are no signs that Samantha Lewthwaite was involved, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:40 | |
but rumours don't stop. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
There are reports of her masterminding shadowy plots | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
in Yemen, and that she's linked to elephant poaching in order | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
to raise money for al-Shabab. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
And there's even an Islamist Twitter account where she's supposed | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
to say things like, "In Islam there's no choice, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
"it's not like, do I watch EastEnders or Corrie tonight?" | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
Is she a terrorist, or just a make-believe she-devil, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
and what strange journey has this suburban English schoolgirl taken? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
Samantha Lewthwaite's story begins in the Home Counties | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
town of Aylesbury. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
Born in 1983, she lived in a terraced house with her mum | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
and dad, a former soldier who fought in Northern Ireland | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
and then went into the building trade. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
Her best friend from childhood was a young Muslim girl who | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
lived across the street. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
Samantha became a fixture in their home. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
She was a young girl curious about the teachings of the Koran. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
Ramadan is the month chosen by God for Muslims to fast. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
Allah loves those who fast. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
As she grew up, Samantha explored her interest in Islam. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
She'd go to the neighbouring families' parties | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
and religious events. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
One member of the extended family | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
was the one-time mayor of Aylesbury, Raj Khan. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
Samantha was one of very few white young girls who dared to move | 0:06:18 | 0:06:25 | |
over to the other side. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
I would say she was your typical innocent, British, English rose, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:33 | |
she was your average British girl, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
playing, hopping and skipping with the other kids at norm. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
Aged 12, in 1996, she went to The Grange School. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
I've contacted dozens of her school mates and teachers. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
Many are embarrassed by their association with Samantha, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
but surprisingly they also don't want to talk on camera, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
because they liked her, and want to protect her memory. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
The picture I'm given is of a compassionate teenager | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
who seemed to care desperately about social justice. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
And then, in her A-level year, 9/11, and the invasion of Afghanistan. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
It was an odd time perhaps to be drawn towards Islam, but many were. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
9/11 happened, Muslims were on the news, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Muslims are getting arrested, Muslims are getting this - | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
people who said they hate Muslims, whatever, they said no, no, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
I want a Koran, I want Islam, I want to know about Islam, da da da. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
So, a lot of people wanted to know about Islam | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
after 9/11, which is a very, for me, a very strange thing. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
Aged 18 a year after 9/11, Samantha got an A in | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
A level religious studies and won a place at London University. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
Only then did she formally convert to Islam. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
All praises are for Allah alone. Him alone we worship, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
and he alone we ask for help. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
May the peace and blessings of Allah | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
be upon the messenger of Allah and all his companions. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
Aylesbury's Muslim community seems moderate, peaceful and decent. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
It doesn't seem to be the place to foment the ideas of holy war. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
Well, I don't think that there is anybody at all in the Aylesbury | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
area that I have heard or know about that would be engaged with | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
any kind of promoting jihadis. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
But from Aylesbury there was already a long-established | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
and well-trodden path towards different kinds of Islamic ideas, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
and that story begins in the strangest of places. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
18 in the charts, with 20 Seconds To Comply, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
this is Silver Bullet. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
20 seconds to comply! | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
In the early 1990s, of all places, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
Aylesbury played an important part in British hip-hop. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
Two hip-hop crews, Caveman and Silver Bullet, raced up the charts. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
Aylesbury was becoming like, yeah, what's happening? | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
Aylesbury, Aylesbury's kind of popping at the moment. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
It's not the Bronx. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
No, it's not the Bronx, but that's showing you, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
that's showing you, though, that, yeah, there was a time. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
Foreshadowing Samantha's choice, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
a few of the dancers and DJs from these hip-hop crews | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
who were brought up as Christians converted to Islam. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
A large majority of Afro-Caribbean African Muslims in the UK | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
in the '90s who converted to Islam were influenced by hip-hop | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
and influenced by Malcolm X. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Ismael Lea South was also a new convert at this time, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
and an acquaintance of the Aylesbury rappers and DJs. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Because Aylesbury's a big Indo-Pakistani community, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
so a lot of the Afro-Caribbean/mixed race | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
and white English as well who embrace Islam from that area, many | 0:10:06 | 0:10:13 | |
of them, they could not fit in with the Indo-Pakistani brand of Islam - | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
they just never feel comfortable. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Aylesbury crew, they found London more vibrant, so a lot of them | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
came to London, because London was starting to have more | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
English-speaking imams, scholars and learned people. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
And some members of those crews came to listen to a particularly | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
fiery Jamaican preacher called Sheikh Abdullah al-Faisal. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
"Al-Baraa" means to recognise who your enemies are | 0:10:40 | 0:10:46 | |
and to hate them and to exterminate them in their endeavour | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
to get rid of your deen al-Islam. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
Every week hundreds of people, including some from Aylesbury, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
would attend Sheikh al-Faisal's lectures, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
jimmas, at this north London community centre. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
Yeah, Sheikh Faisal, his jimma, yeah, yeah, yeah, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
he's talking about current issues, he's relating it to the Koran and | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
hadiths and he's speaking English - whoa, that's the jimma to go. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
It was a group of them, I think, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
two car loads who used to come there from High Wycombe and Aylesbury. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:21 | |
I remember them by face, but... I had so many friends or associates | 0:11:21 | 0:11:28 | |
in the UK, it's difficult to remember all their names. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
Samantha Lewthwaite seemed also to have followed this path. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
In the early 2000s she passed on a DVD of Sheikh al-Faisal's sermons, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
telling her friend he wasn't as bad as the media suggested. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
And not long afterwards, Samantha was to become very much | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
a part of the wider community around Sheikh al-Faisal. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
Around this time, al-Faisal was constantly touring Britain, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
and on a visit to the north the preacher met a 17-year-old | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
Jamaican from Huddersfield called Germaine Lindsay, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
who'd go on to become Samantha's suicide bomber husband. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
He was very quiet and soft spoken, he came across as an introvert. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
He didn't speak much, but he came across as a fervent Muslim. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
Like many young black males, they want a father figure. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
He came across like that. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:33 | |
I wouldn't say I became his father figure. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
I became someone that he took his Islamic knowledge from. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
In the autumn of 2002, Samantha was given Germaine's e-mail address. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:49 | |
They met for the first time on a stop-the-war demo. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
Today also saw a relatively new | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
and increasingly loud voice among protesters, that of British Muslims. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Since September 11th last year, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
many young Muslims have become more politicised. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
Meeting Germaine Lindsay, who went by the Muslim name Jamal, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
was a pivotal moment. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
A few weeks after starting London University, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
18-year-old Samantha dropped out and married him almost immediately. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
We didn't want an arranged marriage, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
so I guess in a way we kind of arranged our own. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
The Jamal I met and married was a man of peace. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
We found we were very much alike and kindred spirits. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
He wanted to qualify as a human rights lawyer | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
and I was a member of an Amnesty International group at school. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
We wanted to make a difference to the world through peaceful means. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
We were married in the front room in a simple | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
ceremony in front of an imam. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
My father didn't approve, and stayed away. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
He found it hard enough when I converted to Islam, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
without marrying a Muslim I'd hardly met. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Over the next years, their marriage prospered. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
In April 2004, 20-year-old Samantha gave birth to their first child, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
and by the summer of 2005 she was heavily pregnant again. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
On the morning of 7th July, 19-year-old Germaine Lindsay | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
arrived at Luton railway station at 5am. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
He spent a few hours wandering around by himself. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
Then he met three other men, including their leader, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
Mohammad Sidique Khan, also a follower of Sheikh al-Faisal. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
All four young men then took the train to London. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
At 8.50am, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:00 | |
Germaine was standing in the front carriage of a Piccadilly Line | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
train as it left King's Cross. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
He detonated his bomb. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
We're still desperately waiting for emergency services, we've got | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
two major incidents. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:15 | |
Yeah, the emergency services have issued a system-wide code amber. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
Germaine Lindsay killed himself and 26 others, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
half of the total number of fatal victims, that day. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
After the bombing, Samantha waited for six days at their home | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
before she told the police her husband was missing. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
Simon Davis was a member of the Metropolitan Police Anti-Terror | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
Squad investigating the bombings. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
Samantha Lewthwaite, her name did pop up very, very quickly. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:05 | |
Is she a sobbing, doting wife who didn't know what was occurring? | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
Or was she a bystander who chose not to get any further involved? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:17 | |
In the end, the authorities chose not to charge her. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
Not everyone seemed to agree. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
Two weeks after 7/7, two local lads fire-bombed her house. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
A pregnant Samantha was given police protection for her own safety. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
The wife of the London tube bomber Germaine Lindsay has been | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
speaking for the first time since the attacks. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
She's condemned his actions | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
and said his mind had been poisoned by Muslim fanatics. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
Jamal is accountable for his actions, 100%, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
and I condemn with all my heart what he has done. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
I will try for my children's sake to remember the Jamal I loved, | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
and I will raise them | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
knowing that their father was a man who truly loved them. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
But the day will come when I have to tell them what he did. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
I just hope people will understand I had nothing to do with this. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
We are victims as well. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
Samantha was paid for the interview, but was she telling the truth? | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
The 7/7 conspiracy was hatched in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
in the year before the bombing. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
According to evidence from the 7/7 inquest, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
she was a frequent visitor with her husband Germaine Lindsay | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
to the house of Mohammad Sidique Khan, the ringleader. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
A neighbour remembers. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
Mohammad Sidique Khan, he didn't talk to anybody. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
He just kept a very, very secret life to himself. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
People around here, 99% people go to the mosque. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
This person, Mohammad Sidique Khan, he never went to the mosque. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
On one occasion I remember the white woman, but I didn't really | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
recognise her because she had her veil on her face. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
Actually, I used to see her come in from my top window once or twice. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
In particular, Samantha and Germaine stayed in Khan's house | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
in December 2004 when he wasn't there. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
He was preparing for 7/7, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
being taught how to build bombs in al-Qaeda training camps in Pakistan. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
You look at the case of Germaine Lindsay and her, she must | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
have known a lot of what was going on and chose not to disclose it. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:49 | |
There's no doubt in my mind. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
But these judgments are all in hindsight. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
In 2006, aged 22, Samantha was a mother of two children. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
She moved into this flat in Hilton Avenue, Aylesbury. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
Shirley Anwar, now a fellow convert to Islam, was her neighbour. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
We used to see each other in passing really when she used to come | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
out of her door to go downstairs and meet her mum. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Her mum used to come in the car and Samantha used to go in the car | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
with her children and then they'd come back together | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
and bring the shopping up the stairs, and, like I said, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
the mother used to visit regularly, sort of on a daily basis, I'd say, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
and she seemed to have a very close relationship with her mum. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
And I think that Samantha did tell me | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
that her mum had just converted as well and wore a headscarf | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
all the time, very similar to the way Samantha used to dress as well. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
I saw her dad on a couple of occasions. I think he was coming in | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
to do some work. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
From what Shirley tells me, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
there does seem to have been some reconciliation with her family. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
They all took a big trip to Disneyland Paris, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
but what was going on in Samantha's mind? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
The situation is such that many times your own family, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:09 | |
mothers and fathers, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
cannot even know you are a mujahid, a fighter. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
It means you are a stranger amongst your own family and friends. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
I never saw Samantha with anybody else. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
I never saw lots of people visiting the house. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
There were a couple of occasions where the newspapers would be | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
knocking on people's door. She just said to me, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
"If you get anybody knock on the door just don't say anything." | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
At this point Samantha had a choice - life as a single parent | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
in a small town, or to build on her reputation as the wife of a martyr. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:55 | |
Losing her husband, I feel that she became a little bit of a figurehead. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:01 | |
In some circles, the credibility was raised, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
her notoriety was raised. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Post-event, perhaps one year afterwards, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
someone, whether it was the police or whoever, should have looked at her | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
and said, "Could this lead the catalyst to other events?" | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
In the two or three years after 7/7, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
Samantha was moving in circles of fervent Muslims. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
Kerry Bullivant knew some of her friends. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
From some of the people that I know of that had discussions | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
with her, it would seem that she was looking for a husband | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
who was still looking to be involved in violent jihad. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
In a way these guys are kind of like a rock star, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
do you know what I mean? They're on the edges of society. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
They're not willing to play by the rules. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
Some people find that sort of bad boy | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
and on the edge of the law quite attractive. That, in their eyes, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
are brave enough and strong enough to be willing to sacrifice everything. | 0:21:54 | 0:22:00 | |
So what happened next in Samantha Lewthwaite's life? | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
I think there's only one person who might have an insight - | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
the preacher who inspired her, Sheikh al-Faisal. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
He'd been released from a UK prison in 2007 | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
and immediately deported, having served four years | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
for inciting murder, for saying things like, "If you see a Hindu | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
"walking down the road, you're allowed to kill him." | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
I've tracked him down to the north coast of Jamaica | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
and the first thing he tells me is jaw-dropping. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
The first time I met her was when she came to visit me in prison. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
That was 2006. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
That prison was Long Lartin in Worcestershire. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
Sheikh al-Faisal has never told a journalist before | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
about his friendship with Samantha. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
Surprisingly when she came to visit me, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
she didn't seem like she was sad or she had the world on her shoulders. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
It was a very pleasant, pleasant visit. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
And why did that surprise you? | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Because she lost her husband in the 7/7 bombing, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
so I would think she would be sad | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
but when she came, she was jovial, she looked happy. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
She didn't look sad, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
and the persona that she came across is like, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
it's business as usual for her. Life goes on. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
While living under police protection in Aylesbury, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
it appears that Samantha was discretely nurturing | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
her friendship with the jailed preacher. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
We kept in touch by telephone on a regular basis when I was in prison. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
Women are better on the phone than men. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
Men, they are careless on the phone. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
They say things that are incriminating, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
while women don't say any incriminating things on the phone. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
And when I was in prison, she looked after me to a certain extent. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
She always asked, "Do you need anything?" | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
Because she's a very, very kind person. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
Anything I need, for example, books or clothing or cash, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
"You need anything, let me know, I'll send it." | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
So it turns out that an Islamist preacher jailed for inciting murder | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
was able to meet the wife of a suicide bomber | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
under the watchful eye of the security services, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
yet seemingly they did nothing. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
As I talk to Sheikh al-Faisal, it's clear that his years in prison | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
have done little to moderate his violent rhetoric. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
There are many people who have to be killed in Islam. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
You have to kill the apostates, you have to kill the homosexuals, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
you have to kill the man who dabbles in black magic, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
you have to kill the highway robber. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
It's called a purge. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
But what does Sheikh al-Faisal know about Samantha Lewthwaite | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
after 2008? | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
That year he tells me he was on a world tour starting in South Africa. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
It was there that once again his intervention would have | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
a dramatic effect on the next step she would take. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
I had a meeting with some South Africans. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
It was about 20 people in the room | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
and one of the men expressed a desire to marry a British girl | 0:25:28 | 0:25:34 | |
and he expressed his preference for a white sister. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
So somebody said, "You need to speak to Sheikh Faisal | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
"if you want to marry a white sister from the UK." | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
So I immediately thought of Samantha, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
so I picked up my mobile and I rang her | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
and said, "I've found you a potential husband." | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
She didn't show any interest at first. She was shy. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
-I know her taste. -What is her taste? | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
Her taste is that she would like to marry a young man | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
who's of a different race, preferably black, from the black race, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
who is very handsome and very strong in the Muslim faith. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
That's her taste. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
On the way to the airport, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Sheikh al-Faisal suddenly comes up with another surprise. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
He says he knows someone who might be in contact with Samantha. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
He offers to pass on an e-mail. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
Sheikh al-Faisal wishes me luck for my search in South Africa. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
He has fond memories of the warm embrace of his friends there. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
After Sheikh al-Faisal introduced Samantha to her future husband | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
on the phone, she spent the next six weeks | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
back at the flat in Hilton Avenue, Aylesbury, talking to him. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
Then she packed her bags and left England. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
She seemed to have just disappeared. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
I don't even...I'm not even aware whether the people, you know, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
the housing association knew that she was leaving | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
because the people that moved in afterwards found | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
lots of mail still for her so she hadn't left a forwarding address. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
I think there were some bills that hadn't been paid. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
So I'm following Samantha's trail to South Africa. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
Samantha arrived in Johannesburg in July 2008. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
She came with her two children, then aged four and two. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
When she came to Johannesburg, the Muslim community, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
they received her with open arms | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
and she was given a red carpet treatment, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
so she arrived one day and got married the following day. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:36 | |
When I spoke to my husband with the view of marriage, he told me | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
he had been injured and glory be to Allah, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
he was concerned if this would affect my decision. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
But once I learned his injuries were sustained in the cause of Allah, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
it only made the decision easier. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
So who was this new husband? | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
He's called Fahmi Salim. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
I can reveal that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1985. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
That's 16 months younger than Samantha. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
And he was living in Johannesburg | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
and he was a close friend of the home I was in. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:16 | |
And he was treated like one of the family members because of his piety. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:22 | |
Sheikh al-Faisal tells me that the head of the family | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
that looked after Fahmi Salim was a man called Junaid Dockrat. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
Maybe he'll be able to tell me more about him | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
and his romance with Samantha. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
One of Junaid Dockrat's businesses is a shop called Sniper Africa. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
It sells camouflage gear and hunting goods, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
but Junaid Dockrat doesn't want to talk to me. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
I'd also like to ask him about what the US government said in 2007, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
that Junaid Dockrat is an al-Qaeda financier, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
recruiter and facilitator. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
And they also claim he raised 120,000 for al-Qaeda. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
Previously he's strongly rejected these accusations | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
and completely denies any involvement. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
The South African government seemed to support him | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
as they prevented his name being added | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
to a United Nations sanctions list. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
Apart from the Sniper shop, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
Junaid Dockrat's also a dentist with a practice just around the corner. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
Over the last few days I've rung Junaid Dockrat, I've e-mailed him | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
and, rather surprisingly, I almost encountered him. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
He's up there right now seeing his dental patients, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
but, sadly, between me and him was a closed door | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
and he told his receptionist he absolutely didn't want to see me. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
It's a shame he won't talk, but even then I doubt he'd have | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
any idea about what was going through Samantha's love-struck mind. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
Allah blessed me with the best husband for me, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
in fact exactly what I'd asked for when I made dua before marriage. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
I asked for a man who would go forth, give all he could for | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
Allah's cause and spend a life terrorising the disbelievers | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
as they have us. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
Samantha's new life in Johannesburg seems to have been the model | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
of middle class respectability. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
With a different name, she rented a house in a family-friendly | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
garden suburb on the outskirts. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
I only ever saw her drive up and down in the road in her car | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
with her children in the car with her, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
and yeah, like any other resident, I'd wave hello and that was it. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
My children have said they've taken sweets from her, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
so I didn't think she was dangerous. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
She was always dressed with her veil, hooded over, and that. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:03 | |
I suppose you could say conservative, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
and she had a big old white Mercedes, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
which you notice. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
One thing I pick up from the neighbours and from Samantha's | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
application to find a rented property, is that her husband Fahmi | 0:32:17 | 0:32:22 | |
was often away on business, a very unconventional business, it seems. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
My husband has left me | 0:32:28 | 0:32:29 | |
on many occasions to go out for Allah's cause. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
The pain of missing your husband | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
and wishing to be in his presence is a test in itself. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
Then there are times you do not receive news of him | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
for several weeks. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
The not knowing whether he is alive or gained Shahada - | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
martyrdom - is enough to lose appetite and sleep. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
During those times, I felt how can I eat when I don't know where he is? | 0:32:53 | 0:32:59 | |
How can I sleep when bombs are dropping on his head? | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
Despite the frequent absences, during the two years in | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
South Africa, Samantha's marriage to Fahmi Salim | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
seems to have flourished. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
In July 2009, she had her third child, a son called Abdur-Rahman, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:18 | |
at Stoke Mandeville Hospital | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
while she was on a brief trip back to the UK. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
And within a few months, she'd fallen pregnant again. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
July 2010, she paid £380 in cash to an upmarket birthing centre, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:37 | |
the Genesis Clinic in Johannesburg, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
for the water birth of her fourth child. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
The midwife said she arrived here dressed in a niqab | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
with only her eyes showing. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
This picture was taken shortly after the birth. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
It seems that Samantha had got what she wanted, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
a committed husband and a growing family. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
But how did this young family support themselves | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
and pay for private health care and the white Mercedes? | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
I'm told that her husband, Fahmi Salim, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
perhaps under an assumed name, used to run a small business. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
I asked the caretaker if he knows Samantha's husband. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
So this guy, do you recognise him? | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
-Yes. -You're absolutely certain it was him? | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
Yes. I'm sure it's him. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
And is this what his wife looked like? | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
Yeah, it's this one. She was always like that. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
The business, what did they do here? | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
Yeah, like the injections. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
-Needles? -Needles, yeah. The drip things - everything, yeah. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
They need a lot of bandages. Boxes. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
Yeah. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
It seems that they were a shipping company for medical supplies | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
and Samantha was given a job by another | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
member of Johannesburg's close-knit Muslim community. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
She was the assistant manager of a Halal pie factory, charged | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
with organising the creation of sausage rolls and Cornish pasties. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:17 | |
Bank statements show she was earning about £1,200 a month. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
Behind the veneer of respectability, however, there is | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
the first evidence of criminality. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
Samantha had bought from a corrupt official this false ID card, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
having stolen the identity from a real person, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
a nurse called Natalie Faye Webb, and she used it to get credit cards. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:45 | |
It seems like she was a suburban housewife | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
with something of a shopping habit. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
She eventually defrauded the banks | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
and clothes shops to the tune of about £5,000. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:59 | |
And then in January 2011, she procured this official passport, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:05 | |
again using her false name and identity. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
She was preparing for the next step of her journey. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
Having lived a comfortable lifestyle in the west, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
when he told me that choosing to marry him might one day mean | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
living under a tree, not knowing the reality, I accepted. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
I mean of course this path is all I have ever wanted | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
and until today, praise for Allah, I have not yet lived under a tree. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
By late autumn 2011, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
Samantha came back to the home town of her husband, Mombasa, Kenya. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
Soon after she arrived, the police raided a house | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
and found a bomb factory which they claim was operated by five people. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:51 | |
Today, 23rd September 2013, their trial hearing is due to begin. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
In the dock is this man, Jermaine Grant. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
He's from Barking in east London. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
It's alleged that he conspired with Samantha Lewthwaite | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
and she should be in the dock too. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
From our case file, we think they were preparing some explosives | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
from the equipment and the chemicals found in their possession. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:25 | |
Lewthwaite's Kenyan charge sheet accuses her of conspiring | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
with others before the court to improvise an explosive device | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
with the intent to cause harm to innocent citizens. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
The second charge is that she was also in possession | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
of explosive materials, the very same ones that Grant is being | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
tried for today and are being revealed in court. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
At the raid on Grant's house in Mombasa, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
they found hydrogen peroxide, battery acid and batteries, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:57 | |
some of the vital ingredients that made up the bombs of 7/7. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
Where were they going to use it? | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
It is not known exactly where they were to use it because | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
they were in the process apparently of preparing something explosive. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
The alleged Grant/Lewthwaite bomb-making conspiracy is just | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
the latest chapter in the history of Islamic extremism in Mombasa. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
The 1998 bomb attacks on the US embassies in Kenya | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
and Tanzania, which killed at least 224 people | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
and injured thousands of others, were planned here. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
Simon Davis, a former Metropolitan Police officer, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
has investigated al-Qaeda bomb attacks in East Africa. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:46 | |
The 1998 bombing, I think, stood as a figurehead for them because | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
it was the first time there had been such a simultaneous success. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
So they went big by doing the bomb, attacking diplomatic premises. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
The guys that lived at the end of it could just merge | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
back into various communities where they were hailed as heroes. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
I'm on my way to meet the ideological godfather | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
of today's Mombasa jihadis. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
The UN claim that Sheikh Abubakar Sharif Ahmed, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
known as Makuburi, is a leading facilitator and recruiter | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
of young Kenyan Muslims for violent militant activity. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
Can he tell me if Samantha Lewthwaite was involved | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
in the Westgate attack? | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
Yes, there's not a shred of evidence produced to link her to those people. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
We are just being given a name, Samantha, Samantha, Samantha. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
OK, what did she do? What part did she play? | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
There's no evidence linking her to that place. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
I mean, if it's true what they are saying, then she's a super lady. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:53 | |
I wish I knew where she was, I want to propose to her. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
You'd like to marry her? | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
Obviously if she's not married. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
If she can keep the intelligence | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
services of the world on their toes for so long, Allah! | 0:40:02 | 0:40:08 | |
May Allah protect her. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
It's clear that Makuburi admires Samantha. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
He shares the ideas that are found in her writings. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
There's no innocent person in Britain or in America or in France. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
You attack, you are the one who elects, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
ones who elect your presidents and your presidents are the ones | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
who come and kill our children, and try to occupy our lands. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
We will not tolerate that. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
The following day there's dramatic news - Makuburi has been shot. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:46 | |
It's not exactly a surprise. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
Over the last year, a number of leading Islamists have been | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
assassinated, most probably by the police, but as I enter his house, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
I discover he's very much alive and giving a press conference. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
I was ambushed today in the morning with this news that | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
I had been killed but these are just rumours. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
I don't know who has started them. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
I suspect the police of doing that because they want to kill me. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:19 | |
Are you afraid of your life? | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
I know my life is in danger but I am not afraid for it | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
because I know they cannot kill me except when the hour comes. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
And when it comes, I cannot stop it. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
The prophecy of his own death isn't misplaced. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
Not long afterwards, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:37 | |
Makuburi is indeed shot dead on the street by unknown assassins. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:42 | |
Was Samantha Lewthwaite also part of this bloody ongoing war? | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
We can learn quite a bit about her life in Mombasa in 2011 | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
from this confidential police document. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
In the autumn of that year, she was living in this yellow house. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
When the police raided, they found her English | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
birth certificate at the bottom of a red suitcase. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
From the stuff left behind, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
it doesn't look like she was spending her hours building bombs. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
Her writings, the browsing history from her computer, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
present an ordinary British woman who looked at a Beyonce website, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
was concerned about weight loss and nurturing her marriage. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
When a man comes home, wife beautiful, food prepared, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
kids clean, this is like Halal magic. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
She was even writing notes for a new fitness business for pregnant women. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:57 | |
Pregisize, the safe way to stay fit whilst pregnant. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
A specially-designed aerobic work-out with added strength and toning. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
100% safe for all women who are pregnant. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
Classes currently run in two venues, Mombasa and Nairobi. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:15 | |
Pregnancy is not a time to slack on your fitness. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
You need to prepare the body for the marathon ahead - labour - | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
so let us help you maintain a healthy body | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
and a healthy mind during this spiritual journey. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
But at the same time as she was living in one house, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
she seemed to be working from another. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
Nelson Korea is the landlord of this second house. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
Can he recognise the family from the picture of the birth | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
of their fourth baby? | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
The landlord says that the husband, Fahmi Salim, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
was using an alias of a Mozambiquan called Marco, | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
and he thought the tenants were behaving in strange ways. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
On 19th December 2011, the police raided this house. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:25 | |
Samantha and Fahmi were gone | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
but they found 98 rounds of ammunition. And there was more. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
So this house seems to have been some kind of operational base. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
Why else would the tenants dispose of simcards and mobile phones | 0:44:57 | 0:45:02 | |
unless they'd implicate them in a conspiracy? | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
And if that's what it was, Samantha is implicated. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:10 | |
The landlord says that it was she, the so-called Mrs Marc, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
who intended to pay the rent. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
It does seem that Samantha helped organise this house, | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
the alleged operational base for the conspiracy. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
This is the closest I've got to suggesting that Samantha | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
played an active part in planning terrorism. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
We ask that Allah keeps those fighting in his cause steadfast. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:01 | |
We ask that he protects them and their families. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
We ask that Allah accepts the blood of those who die | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
to make there be no god but Allah. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
20th December 2011. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
Samantha Lewthwaite was in the poor neighbourhood of Kisuani, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
in Mombasa, just around the corner from Jermaine Grant's | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
bomb factory that had been raided the day before. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
The police were on her trail. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
Intelligence led them to Samantha's mother-in-law's house. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
At least a dozen officers surrounded it, securing the perimeter. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
A senior officer entered the building | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
and found a woman who called herself Natalie Faye Webb. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:50 | |
She said she was a South African tourist and showed them | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
this passport. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:56 | |
In a bag she had two million Kenyan shillings, £13,500. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:01 | |
It isn't clear what happened next. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
Perhaps the police were incompetent, perhaps they were bribed. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:11 | |
Perhaps even Samantha had some protector high up | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
within the government or the police, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
but somehow Samantha persuaded the police to let her go. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:21 | |
The authorities have not seen her since. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
When I began this investigation, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
I wanted to find out how seriously we should take Samantha Lewthwaite. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
Was she a fantasist or genuinely committed to jihad? | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
I found one last clue that seems to remove any doubt. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:45 | |
The last person that she was seen with was her sister-in-law, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
Nassim Jamali Salim. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:49 | |
She was the wife of Musa Hussein, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
who was killed in a shoot-out in Somalia in June 2011. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:59 | |
What's significant about that is that it connects Samantha | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
to the very heart of the aristocracy of al-Qaeda. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:07 | |
Musa Hussein was the lieutenant to, and died with, Harun Fazul | 0:48:07 | 0:48:12 | |
and he was the leader of the 1998 East African Embassy bombings, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:18 | |
a trusted confidante of Osama Bin Laden | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
and one of a handful of people privy to the planning of 9/11. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:26 | |
Given her connections, it seems that Samantha and her children | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
are probably living behind high walls and barbed wire | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
under the protection | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
of international sympathisers of al-Qaeda. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
I am sure she's not in Europe. She's in Africa. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
Which African country? Your guess is as good as mine. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
She has the backing of the Muslim community because she's | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
loved by the people there and I don't think she should hand over | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
herself because she's not guilty of anything, and she'll never get | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
a fair trial because the media has already tried her and convicted her. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
Almost certainly she didn't have anything to do | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
with the Westgate attack. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:10 | |
Her body has not been found. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
She wasn't on the CCTV. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
The Samantha that I knew was not a leader, she was a follower. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
It would seem very unlikely that any of these groups | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
would have a female as a leader. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
The concept of a leader of the jihad is always, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
is a position given to the man. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
But maybe she's been involved in other conspiracies. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
I personally don't think her radicalisation is such that | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
she's running around herself planting bombs, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
but she's obviously giving material and maternal support to people. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
Whatever the truth, it seems that she doesn't want to tell it | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
and given that this might not end well, she may never get the chance. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:58 | |
Silence is salvation. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
We pride ourselves on abstaining from alcohol, pig, extramarital sex. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:06 | |
That is good. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
But when it comes to the tongue, the sins are let loose. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
The good of a Muslim is to speak little | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
of that which does not concern us. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
She who withholds her tongue, Allah will conceal her faults. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 |