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# We hear you... # | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
I grew up going to church - | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
it was part of the African-Caribbean tradition. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
Back then, church was strict. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
No cinema, no dancing and no pop music. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
But times have changed. Across the country, churches are closing. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
Less than three million people now go to church. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
Whether it's beliefs, whether it's attendance at places of worship, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
whether it's identity, Christianity is in decline. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
And yet, it's not the whole story. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
The empty pews are being filled by Christians from abroad. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
It was a shock when we saw the numbers of, you know, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
Polish people coming. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
There are Christians challenging long-held beliefs. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
72% of Anglicans under 35 are in favour of gay marriage. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
It is not pro-Christian, it is anti-gay. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
And others are going to court to defend them. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
I do feel that Christianity is being marginalised in Britain. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
Christians are speaking out. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
Christianity is radical and it should be political as well. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
And church is starting to look very different. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
It's a time of transition. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
I think we're starting to see a struggle now for the heart | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
and soul of Christianity. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
I'm going to meet Christians at the forefront of this struggle... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
We're not a political party, we're a family. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
It's a family that bickers like crazy. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
..to find out what it means for the future of Christianity in Britain. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
We are at a time in world history where Christianity has | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
an enormous part to play. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
We will see this nation come back to God. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
For many people, going to church on a Sunday isn't what it used to be, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
as I'm about to find out. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
HUM OF CONVERSATION | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
-Hi, Dan, how you doing? -Good to see you. -So, this is where it's happening. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
-This is Hillsong. -That's quite a buzz out here. -Yeah, we're just getting ready for the next service. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
LOUD MUSIC PLAYS | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
CONGREGATION SINGS ALONG | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
This is Hillsong, a church which fills | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
London's Dominion Theatre four times over every Sunday. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
That's more than 8,000 people. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
HE MOUTHS | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
It feels like God's nightclub, with love songs to Jesus | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
and a message that teaches you how a relationship with God can | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
help maximise your potential. CHEERING | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
See you next week! | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
There's a task that is set before you, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
so if we just say, "There's a task set before us." | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
There's our life. If I can say it like this, "Hey, just relax." | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
Cos it's not going to be your effort. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
It's not going to be your might or your power, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
however you want to look at it, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
but it's going to be His spirit at work in your life. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Hillsong is from Australia. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
It's part of the Pentecostal movement. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
It feels to me like charismatic faith meeting | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
the aspirations of today's young people. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
'Afterwards, I caught up with church pastor Gary Clarke.' | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
Do you think there's a battle for the soul of Britain? | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
Ooh! That's a big question! | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Um... I don't know. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
I wouldn't call it a battle. Um... | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
You know, it's... I think there is a...there is a... | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
a perception of church. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
There's a perception of even Christianity | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
that... Public perception has so narrowed it down to | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
one or two singular, singular things. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
And I think, if we're going to talk about a battle, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
I think trying to show people that Christianity is relevant to every | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
individual's personal life. Um... | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
Then I think we've got a battle against that. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
That's... That's for sure. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:34 | |
That was incredibly lively, energetic and youthful. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
It's the kind of church I would have gone to 30 years ago | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
but now, at my age, I'm a bit old for it. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
But I can see why young people are attracted to coming here. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Britain is changing. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:03 | |
Secularisation, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
technology, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:08 | |
globalism - | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
they're all making their mark. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
No surprise, then, that churches are also starting to look different. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
One of the biggest changes in the last 60 years or so | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
has been the growth of multicultural Britain. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
In some places, it has quite literally changed | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
the face of the church. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
Immigration's made a huge difference to Christianity | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
in recent decades because, of all migrants to Britain, by religion, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
Christianity is by far the largest. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
On declaration of your faith in Christ, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
we baptise you in the name of the Father, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
the Son and the Holy Spirit. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
TRANSLATOR TRANSLATES | 0:05:50 | 0:05:51 | |
At St George's in Barnsley, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
they've had over 50 baptisms in the last year. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
I want to get baptised because I want to be with God. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
But they need a translator to assist at these baptisms | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
because so many of the converts are immigrants. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
We baptise you in the name of the Father, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
the Son and the Holy Spirit... | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
TRANSLATOR TRANSLATES | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
The translator at St George's is Sadegh - an Iranian refugee and | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
Christian convert who fled his home country for fear of persecution. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
He's recently been appointed the church's Evangelism coordinator. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
Father, show me one person to talk to, in Jesus' name, Father... | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
He goes out on the streets of Barnsley to talk to | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
people about God and the church. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
God created us to be with him, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
to receive this love and to give this love back to him. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
Whoever believes in him shall not perish | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
but will have everlasting life. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
'For years, I wanted to kind of | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
'reach out to town more spontaneously' | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
but never had the personnel, really. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
I'm not like at all that and there's been no-one in the congregation | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
who's been like that. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:26 | |
And so I've been praying for years, "Lord, send us someone who's got | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
"that gifting to go out." | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
And Sadegh came to us as an Iranian translator. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
-Thank you, my friend. -Bless you. Bless you, brother. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
But having seen his gifting, I just said, "I could see you doing this, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
"please try it." And it's just been wonderful. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
-Do you mind if I pray for you? -Yeah. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Sadegh is bold in his faith. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
You know, I was Muslim background but then Jesus saved my life. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
To British tastes, his approach can seem unconventional. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
# You're the Son of God, Jesus... | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
# You're the lord of lords... | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
# King of kings... # | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
'I'm not a good singer,' | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
but I don't care what people think. I'm not living for people. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
I love people, but I'm living for God | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
and God uses any opportunity to speak to people. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
Very good to see you. Jesus loves you. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
'Did Jesus sit in the church?' | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
Jesus always went to people. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
The ministry is outside, it's not inside. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
# Come, now is the time to worship | 0:08:35 | 0:08:41 | |
# Come... # | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
The confidence of faith shared by immigrants like Sadegh has | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
changed St George's dramatically in the last ten years. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
40% of the congregation are now immigrants. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
We came to Barnsley 27 years ago, to an all-white congregation, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
and Barnsley was 99% white then. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
But 20 years ago, I felt God giving me | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
a vision of building a house of prayer for all nations. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
We put a big banner up in front of the church saying, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
"House of prayer for all nations", | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
and we've just had an influx of mainly refugees and asylum seekers. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
Good morning. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
Sadegh, and many of the other immigrants and refugees, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
play a vital role in the running of the church. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
I have an African honorary curate. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
Five members of our PCC are from other nations. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
Our Evangelism co-ordinator is an Iranian. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
Our church warden is Argentinian. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
They're really at the heart of our church life. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
It's very hard to imagine the church without them. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
# He can move the mountains | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
# He rose and conquered the grave... # | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
Christians from overseas bringing their spiritual fervour | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
to the streets of the UK is nothing new. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
In the '50s and '60s, African-Caribbean people | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
brought their own tradition of street preaching called "warners". | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
These days, with Christianity in decline, the arrival of new | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
Christians can revitalise a church. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
It can also be a challenge. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
Certainly, the traditional church structures are having | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
to take immigration much more seriously. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
They're having to listen to the people on the ground, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
joining the churches in quite large numbers, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
speaking a different language, perhaps coming from different | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
forms of worship and wanting to bring change. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
It is shaking the church up. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
If you look at the membership of the Roman Catholic Church in | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
this country, it would have shrunk enormously if it hadn't | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
been for the immigration that we've experienced from Eastern Europe. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
By 2005, over a quarter of Catholics had stopped going to church. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
HE SPEAKS IN POLISH | 0:10:51 | 0:10:52 | |
But around the same time, migrants from Eastern Europe | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
started coming to Britain for work. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
They also wanted to go to church. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
THEY SPEAK IN POLISH | 0:11:03 | 0:11:04 | |
This is St Simon's in Glasgow. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
It's been providing a separate Polish mass | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
since Poles settled here after the Second World War. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
But 12 years ago, it saw a dramatic change. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
As soon as the European borders opened for those coming to work, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
a lot of young people came. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
They were just coming over in hordes. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
The parish priest, suddenly, he was getting phone calls | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
from the police saying there are Polish people just coming | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
off the train and they think they've to come and stay here. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
Now, there's two beds in there, that's all. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
'It was a shock, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:57 | |
'when we saw the numbers of Polish people coming.' | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
It's a little church and it can only | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
hold approximately 200 people. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
St Simon's now has four masses every weekend - | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
two in Polish and two in English. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
They come to England and find churches that are converted | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
into clubs or university buildings, or other things. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:27 | |
And one young person said to me, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
"This feels like English people have forgotten God." | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
CHATTER | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
So there's this real sense of almost of a loss | 0:12:36 | 0:12:41 | |
of the faith that they feel when they come here. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
'The first year here was very dark for me. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
'I was here on my own, I was deeply depressed, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
'and I went on a pilgrimage and life changed for me drastically. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
'My inner change was very deep and very radical when I met Jesus.' | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
THEY PRAY IN POLISH | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
As young Poles continue to arrive in Glasgow, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
they bring with them a renewed spiritual energy. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
-ALL: -Amen. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:18 | |
Some of us are quite fresh, here in Scotland, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
but I think we are invited by the Holy Spirit to cooperate with | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
Scottish people and take part in building Scottish Church as well. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
I was maybe thinking we could do one night in English | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
because sometimes like I feel like I'm at work, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
and I want to tell them about the meetings we have, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
but it's very hard for me to invite them | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
if it's going to be all in Polish. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
The church now has to work out | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
how to respond to the enthusiasm of these young Christians. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
'It's a case of, although we talk about dwindling numbers | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
'and what have you, God is alive in the world.' | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
I think the challenge is for us to respond to him. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
But what happens when Christians from overseas believe that | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
what God wants is different from the ideas of wider society? | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
As well as a passion for their faith, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
when Christians come to Britain, they also bring with them | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
their values, traditions and beliefs. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Sometimes, these beliefs rub up against the values | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
of mainstream society. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
In recent times, this has been the case | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
with so-called hot-button issues | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
such as abortion, euthanasia and same-sex marriage. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
People who are coming into our country from parts | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
of the global south, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
or the Afro-Caribbean churches, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
are coming from more conservative parts of the world. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
And as...generations pass, we are observing very interesting patterns | 0:14:59 | 0:15:05 | |
as to how these groups of people become part of British society. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
The fastest growing Christian movement in the world | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
is Pentecostalism. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
In the UK, the fastest growing church is part of that movement. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
# My God is awesome... # | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
Yes, he is awesome! | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
# Awesome... # | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
There's no-one like him, he's awesome! | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
# Awesome... # | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
The Redeemed Christian Church of God began in Nigeria | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
and came to Britain in the late '80s. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
# Awesome... # | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
It has almost 750 churches nationwide and over 50,000 members. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:58 | |
As long as we refuse to give the heavens any rest, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
as we pray to God in prayer, not for our will but for him | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
to bring his will to pass. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Pastor Agu is confident the church can attract even more people. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
'The goals for the future' | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
are to expand the church, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
to reach more people, to reach people from other ethnic groups, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:29 | |
especially when you exist in a multicultural society. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
I'm optimistic that we will see this nation come back to God. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:40 | |
# You do glorious things | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
# You're a faithful God | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
# Awesome is your name... # | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
That was a great example of Pentecostal worship. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
It was lively, it was engaged, practical and full of hope, | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
and that's why it works. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
Jesus tells a parable... | 0:17:02 | 0:17:03 | |
Many Pentecostal Christians | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
regard the Bible as the literal word of God. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
In this country, that can sometimes be at odds with | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
our more liberal society. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
I want to know how Pastor Agu navigates the potential conflicts. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
How, then, would you engage with the issue of same-sex marriage from | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
the context of the Bible and the traditions of the redeemed church? | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
Our message is one of love. We don't judge, we don't condemn, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
we love everybody, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
but we have a worldview that comes from the Bible | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
and so that worldview is that we believe that | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
monoga...monogamous marriage between a man and a woman | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
is God's definition of how the family should exist. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
Can other people have views that are opposed to that? Absolutely! | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
Will I respect other people's views? Absolutely! | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
Am I going to condemn or judge other people's views? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
That's totally un-Christian. I can live with many different views, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
but in the same way I would expect that people would also | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
respect my own position and my own worldview. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
And given that there are these different positions within | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
the Christian church on these big issues, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
do you feel that there's a struggle for the soul of Christianity | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
in Britain, where Christianity will go in the future? | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Well, I feel that, that...certain sections of society | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
would love that struggle to exist and would love to highlight | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
the differences, and I say to them, "The beauty of our faith is that we | 0:18:37 | 0:18:44 | |
"can have differences about issues, but we agree about certain things." | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
Let's just stay united about the foundations of our faith | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
and let's focus on what we can do together, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
and let's respect each other's positions where we differ. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
But in truth, this is an issue that's already dividing | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
Christians in this country. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
It's pulling the faith in two different directions, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
with both sides feeling compelled to make their case. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
I was raised in the Pentecostal movement, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
but I've shifted my ground on some of its conservative theology. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
I'm comfortable with a more liberal | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
interpretation of what the Bible is saying for our society today, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
but I know Christians of all different churches | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
who wouldn't agree. Some are even prepared to go to court | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
to defend their personal convictions. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
The Christian Institute has a legal defence fund to help | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
Christians in court because their religious beliefs have | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
brought them into conflict with the law. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
A couple who run a hotel in Cornwall have been told they broke | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
the law when they refused to let two gay men to share a room... | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
The appeal hearing in the so-called "gay cake case" | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
was halted this morning... | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
The judge said that social attitudes in Britain had | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
changed over the past 50 years and it was inevitable that laws | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
would cut across some people's religious beliefs. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
I do feel that Christianity is being marginalised in Britain. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
The kind of cases that we've been involved with | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
are major precedent-setting cases, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
which will have implications | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
for years to come, where religious liberty is the primary issue... | 0:20:31 | 0:20:37 | |
and where the ruling, in that particular case, will have wider | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
consequences for the freedoms of Christians generally. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
One of the Institute's most recent cases has been helping to | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
defend the McArthurs, who own Ashers Bakery in Northern Ireland. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
"Ashers does not discriminate against anyone..." | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
The McArthurs refused to make a cake | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
carrying the slogan "Support Gay Marriage". | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
It was for a campaign to change the law in Northern Ireland. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
We took issue with the message on the cake and not the customer. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
We certainly felt that what it said was against what the Bible taught. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
This is my life, this isn't something | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
I do at church. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
You know, if people think that's culturally | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
irrelevant then that doesn't matter to me. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
What matters to me is that I live my life, as best as I can, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
in accordance to God's commands. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
The customer they turned away | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
approached the Equality Commission for Northern Ireland. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
It helped him to commence legal action against the McArthur | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
family and Ashers Baking Company. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
The cake and the money isn't important, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
it's whether or not someone like Gareth can walk into a shop, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
or a hotel or a restaurant, and wonder, "Can I be served here | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
"because they might have a different religious opinion than me?" | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
The McArthurs lost the case and were found guilty of discrimination. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
They were ordered to pay damages. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
We've no regrets about what we've done. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
There is a marginalisation. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
There is an unhealthy scepticism about Christians, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:15 | |
about aspects of Christian belief. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
It is not pro-Christian, it is anti-gay! | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
This is not simply about some form of religious intolerance | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
or a closing down of religious expression. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
This is about when you enter into the public domain, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
and you choose to trade as a commercial enterprise, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
you're ruled by the laws of the land. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
If we coerce the McArthur family into promoting a point of view which | 0:22:32 | 0:22:38 | |
is completely opposite to their own, who else will get coerced? | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
Will a Muslim printer be told | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
that he has to print cartoons of Mohammed? | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
I do think you are going to see more issues going to the courts to see, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:57 | |
as it were, how different kinds of communities and different parts of | 0:22:57 | 0:23:03 | |
our society are going to find new ways of living together, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
and that won't be easy, that's for sure. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
The McArthurs are continuing their battle | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
and appealing the court decision. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
I don't think there should be | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
a pick-and-mix approach to Christianity. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
Don't be afraid to take your Christian stand | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
because we've learned that God is with you, in all of it, and he | 0:23:23 | 0:23:29 | |
gives you the grace to stand against these trials and these challenges. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
The way forward is...is not for the church to simply imitate | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
the society around us. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
The way forward is for the church to be the church, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
to follow Christ, to follow the teachings of the Bible. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
When Christians with orthodox views speak out on social issues, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
it's problematic. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
Society no longer speaks the same language. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
It doesn't understand the religious context | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
and all it hears are prejudiced, outdated views. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
BELL RINGS | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
For lots of young people, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:16 | |
Christianity is now morally objectionable. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
They don't want something to do with churches which don't | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
believe in human rights and the equality of all human beings. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
If churches want to attract the next generation, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
some believe they have to become more tolerant. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
I went to a very high-class school in Buckinghamshire to | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
preach at a confirmation. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
As I got into the pulpit, I heard him say - "There you are, Edward, I | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
"told you it would be a ruddy bore. Even the bishop's got his iPad out." | 0:24:47 | 0:24:53 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:53 | 0:24:54 | |
So we'll see how we can do this afternoon! | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
Bishop Alan Wilson is one of those urging a more tolerant future. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
'72% of Anglicans under 35 | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
'are in favour of gay marriage.' | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
Well, in a culture like that, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
how long do we think we can keep this up? | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
'I think that will become increasingly unsustainable.' | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation, through your goodness | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
we have this bread to set before you, which earth has given and human | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
hands have made. It will become for us the bread of life. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
'I think it is possible that' | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
Christianity will become more sectarianised, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
more sort of balkanised into little groups of people who don't really | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
understand one another but know what's wrong with everybody else. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
I think that would be a very sad future for Christianity. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
The tradition we have in the Church of England is of having | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
all kinds of different views and faiths and passions | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
being dealt with on a basis of justice and love and equality, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
and I would hope that we can stay with that | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
and be that kind of a church. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:00 | |
But it's not only on social issues that the church has found itself | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
clashing with society. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
The Church of England says it's bewildered by a decision | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
by leading cinemas not to screen a Christmas advert featuring | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
the Lord's Prayer. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
# Give us this day... # | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
..our daily bread... | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
..forgive us our trespasses... | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
Last year, the company responsible for showing cinema ads | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
refused to show this Lord's Prayer film. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
..but deliver us from evil... | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
..for thine is the kingdom... | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
..the power and the glory... | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
The company has a long-standing policy of not accepting | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
political or religious advertising. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
-Amen. -Amen. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:52 | |
News of the decision sparked a national debate. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
I think the furore around the Church of England prayer advert | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
was really interesting. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
It showed that there was a lot stronger support for | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
the Church of England as a public church | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
than we perhaps thought there was. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
I found the reaction to the ban intriguing. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
No-one seemed sure whether it was a good thing or a bad thing. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
It's just emphasising the idea of praying, in general, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
it doesn't actually have to be for Christianity, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
but it can be for different religions. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
There's a question mark on whether these religions | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
should be allowed to promote at that level. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
For me, this is blatant salesmanship. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
At one level, it is blatant salesmanship, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
but obviously the more people that are engaged in religion the better. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
The Church of England misrepresented the situation. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
The advertisers concerned do not accept any political or any | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
religious advertising of any sort. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
The British Humanist Association has been caught out by the same rule. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
The difference is we didn't try and manufacture a media story | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
out of it, to try and get public sympathy on our side, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
because we're just not that desperate. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
I want to know what the head of the Church of England, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
the Archbishop of Canterbury, made of the fuss. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
Regarding the Lord's Prayer advert, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
was that a bit of clever politicking by the Church | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
to get a response because bans are good for business sometimes? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
I wish we were that clever! | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
No, it wasn't. No, it was...the first | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
I heard of it was someone rang me up and said they've... | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
the cinemas have said they can't show it. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
And I was slightly baffled by it, really. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
It's not controversial, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:34 | |
it's not condemning people, so it was slightly baffling | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
and odd that they should feel it was worth banning. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
In one newspaper I read, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
where you said that you thought Britain was becoming anti-Christian, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:47 | |
or is it just a case that the church has moved more to the right? | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
More conservative? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
I don't remember myself saying that the church should be | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
anti-Christian, I think the press may have put that in. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
I don't think the church has moved particularly to the right, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
or to the left. I think that's... | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
I think that's a false way of looking at it. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
The church is neither right nor left. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
It identifies with the Kingdom of God, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
which is both right and left... | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
in different ways, and doesn't really fit on a political spectrum. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
Despite that, there is a well-documented tension between | 0:29:20 | 0:29:25 | |
where the church is, in terms of its ethics and its concerns, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:30 | |
and where society is. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
Church, at its best, is in constant engagement with society | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
and listening very carefully. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
We are, within the church, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
learning to listen better to one another | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
and to discern what the right way forward is. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
We're not a political party, we're a family. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
And if part of the family is struggling, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
then you want to encourage that part of the family. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
I like the family analogy. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
Is it sometimes a family at war? | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
Oh, it's a family that bickers like crazy. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
Some argue through sulking quietly in different rooms, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
and others go out in the back yard and shout at each other. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
Anglicans tend to be more like the latter, if I'm really honest. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
Um...but... | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
the work of the spirit of God is to bring renewal and revival, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
among many others things, in each part of the church, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
and, if we're obedient, we seek to enable each part of the church | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
to flourish, as you do in a family. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
I hope the Archbishop can hold his church family together | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
as it tries to work out the right way to move forward. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
Now, more than ever, in our diverse nation, we need a broad church. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
Perhaps the biggest struggle | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
facing most churches is how to fill the empty pews. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
Some take a bold approach. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
If the pews have been deserted by older people, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
should the focus now be on the up-and-coming generation? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
Hillsong UK has been attracting a younger crowd since 1999. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:20 | |
To get its message across, it invests in technology | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
and approaches that speak to young people. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
So we're here, at our warehouse in south-east London. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
South-east London, mate. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:31 | |
Dan Blythe is the youth and young adult pastor. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
This is our Bermondsey, south Bermondsey campus, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
it's one of five campuses and this is just the stage, pretty basic, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
but all of these lights are just getting | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
ready for the Fearless presentation, just working out different settings | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
and programming, all that technical stuff, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
which I don't have a clue about. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:52 | |
-Hello. Welcome to Fearless. My name's Dan. -My name's Charlie. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
This show comes right out of the youth and young adult ministry | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
of the Hillsong Church, London. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
Dan is responsible for a new project called Fearless Generation. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
It aims to inspire young Christians to conquer their fears | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
and lead successful lives. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:14 | |
For our young people who have this serious fear of failure, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
fearing that they're going to fail at school, fail their friends, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
fail their parents, I just thought, "Well, let's start | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
"talking about this, show what the Bible has to say about it." | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
And so, from that, we got asked to start a TV show. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
But we called that Fearless, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:34 | |
and then we called the clothing label Fearless, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
and then we've been asked to do a radio show now, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
which we're calling Fearless as well. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
But we want to encourage them to be part of a fearless generation, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
where, every day, no matter what they fear, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
they actually can put their faith in God and overcome that fear. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
Dan and his team are putting together | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
a presentation for Hillsong leaders. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
It's more of a live concert than PowerPoint, featuring dancers, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
smoke machines and lasers. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
Look, we're just giving it to you, Lord God. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
As we step into rehearsals, Lord God, we're not | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
stressing about a track issue, Lord, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
we're not stressing about a styling issue, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
we're not stressing about the fact we've not sung this | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
song for a few months or not danced these steps before, Lord. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
And so we come before you, Lord, with praise, Lord, with Thanksgiving. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
And we give it all to you in the name of Jesus. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
-Amen. -Amen. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:23 | |
Sweet. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:24 | |
..fear no evil. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
Faith allows us to fear God, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
be in awe of his might... | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
It will eventually be performed for young adults in prisons and schools. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
..true faith in our God will always overpower fears, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
doubts and insecurities... | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
Dan believes that presenting God's message in an accessible way | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
for young people is key to the future of the faith. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
We stand bold, we stand courageous, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
we stand victorious, a fearless generation, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
If you were actually to ask me, "Why do some churches grow | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
"and some churches not grow?" I'd purely just put it down to whether | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
we can communicate this gospel of grace in an effective way that young | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
people, or anyone who's listening, can actually understand it. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
I guess, for me, being slightly older now, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
and as the older generation in our church, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
our job is to make sure we remain sacrificial in style. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
So right now, sure I love this style, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
but in 30 years' time, 40 years' time, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
you know, when I'm grey and rocking around, whatever, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
will I then be open to whatever the young people do then? | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
It might not be my preference, but will I be willing to | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
do that so that the next generation can hear a message of grace? | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
I'd say, yeah, hopefully, because that's what it's all about, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
innovating the method not the message. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
# ..my saviour... # | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
A lot of the churches like Hillsong will appeal more to | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
young people at a certain stage of life and energy, and dating, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
and it fits with where they are. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
It certainly doesn't mean they're the future of | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
where everything else is going to go. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
# ..we are here for you... # | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
But it's not only Hillsong that's offering | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Christianity in a more contemporary setting. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
To counter the declining numbers, the Church of England's | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
got its own new strategy called church planting. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
# Almighty God of love | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
# We welcome you in this place... # | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Latimer Minster is one such church plant. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
In the past three years, it's seen massive growth. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
We started with a small group of us in my sitting room | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
about five years ago, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
then we got this farm in 2012. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
And there's about 400 people | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
for whom this is their main church community now. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
Vicar Frog Orr-Ewing started the Minster on a run-down fruit farm. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
It's gradually being renovated to create a purpose-built | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
missional community. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:03 | |
There'll be housing for the clergy, worship spaces and a working farm. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
Our hope is that, over the next couple of years, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
we will be building a wooden barn | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
and that will be our eventual home as a church. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
But in the meantime, we're meeting in the tent. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
This sermon is about finding sense in the world. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
We are now looking at Galatians chapter three. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
'There is no doubt that starting new churches' | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
has been a crucial way | 0:36:37 | 0:36:38 | |
in which churches have grown in the last 30 years. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
It's seen as a model that works, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
that can be sent out across the country, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
and that energises existing populations. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
Last year, the church appointed a new bishop with | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
the job of supporting church planting. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
So what I want to do today is talk about - | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
just the next half an hour - church size dynamics. So... | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
Bishop Ric Thorpe runs courses for would-be church planters to | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
learn how to make their new churches more appealing. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
..great sense of worship, of ministry, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
you can go out and do social transformation and so on. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
There is definitely a new movement of people who | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
are saying, "Actually, how can we do things | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
"in a culturally relevant way?" | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
We are seeing a lot of younger people loving a more | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
contemporary style of music, loving that relevant preaching and so on. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
I think I wouldn't say at the detriment of other styles | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
that are different, but clearly that is making a difference. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
THEY SING | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
We love this place. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
I think, when we first arrived, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:00 | |
we'd never felt more welcomed in any church, in any kind of community. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
# ..you are holy... # | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
It's quite difficult to put into words. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
It's just you feel it. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:12 | |
You can just get lost and just enjoy the Lord's presence. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Everyone's looking for purpose and meaning, but when you come | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
here you feel like you get that meaning with, like, a capital M. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
# ..you've been saved through the ages... # | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
But not everyone is convinced by this apparent religious revival. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
Some are worried that the intensity of worship | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
can actually put people off. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
The more kind of noisy and trumpeted the revivals have got | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
since the '50s, the more Christianity has fallen. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
Most people don't want enthusiastic religion. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Most people want to go about their ordinary lives | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
and they want religion as a framework, as a support, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
something that they can turn to, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:56 | |
something that gives them orientation, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
but it's not their primary identity. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
And they're actually quite frightened of really | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
enthusiastic religion. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:04 | |
It seems a bit crazy, to them. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
I don't think there is any sense in which church planting can be | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
said to be reversing church decline, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
but there is a correlation between church plants being often | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
the ones that are still growing. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
There is more to these churches than just lively worship. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
Also key to their success is a programme of social action - | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
finding ways to meet the needs of the local community. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
In London, there's a church that's shown how important | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
social engagement can be. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:45 | |
Members of Holy Trinity Brompton have helped to plant 29 new churches | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
across London and beyond. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
Its vicar is Nicky Gumbel. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
How important is social justice as part of the new move to | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
engage with the wider world? | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
I think young people | 0:40:04 | 0:40:05 | |
are passionate about justice issues, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
you know, people are passionate about issues to do | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
with trafficking and resisting that appalling trade | 0:40:11 | 0:40:16 | |
that is going on at the moment. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:17 | |
People are passionate about homelessness. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
They're passionate about the people who are at the very | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
bottom of society, in the sense that they're in prison, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
and often people who...who've...who are really struggling with life. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
So what would you make of this comment that the nation has | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
become more anti-Christian, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
is that something you find resonance with? | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
I think it's kind of been rejected now by young people | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
and I think they see the positive, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
they see the churches doing the homeless shelters, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
they see the churches are the ones who are volunteering | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
in society, the ones who are wanting to make a difference, the ones who | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
are meeting the offenders when they come out of prison | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
and looking after them, and caring for them, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
and I think they're very attracted by that. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
To find out more, I'm visiting Birmingham. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
And hopefully there'll be lots of time for you to say hello to | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
people and meet some new people, so you're very, very welcome. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
We're excited you're here | 0:41:14 | 0:41:15 | |
and we're excited for what God's going to do tonight here. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
OK, so we're going to worship together. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
I'll pray and then Josh is going to lead us in our worship. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
THEY ALL SING | 0:41:24 | 0:41:25 | |
Last year, Tim Hughes and his wife Rachel | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
came here from Holy Trinity Brompton. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
Working with the Diocese of Birmingham, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
they've set up a new church plant. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
We want to make a difference in this amazing city of Birmingham | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
and people are excited about that, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:51 | |
that's attractive for people to be a part of. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
The new church is just round the corner from Broad Street - | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
the hub of the city's nightlife. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
So Tim is spending a night with the Christian City Pastors, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
who lend a hand to its night-time crowds. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
City Pastors is a project | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
that's been running for about five years now, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
set up as a voluntary project, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
comprised of volunteers, 58 of them, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
from 16 churches across Birmingham. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
Tim is looking to see how members of his church | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
could help this city centre ministry. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
For us, as a church at Gas Street, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
the whole thing is about encouraging young people | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
in our congregation to be confident about who they are | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
in their faith and the mission. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
You know, our mission and our calling as Christians is to be good | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
news and so things like City Pastors are amazing. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
That's what I see them doing, just bringing hope, life, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
safety and a caring presence. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
Particularly as people get intoxicated, if you have maybe | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
groups of girls that have come out together, they get separated | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
inside a club and we find somebody on their own just sitting there. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
What do you do then? | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
Well, we're obviously looking out, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
we're constantly looking out for those kinds of people, | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
anybody that's in a vulnerable situation at all. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
We're here to be Jesus' hands | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
and feet on the street and to care for people. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
Before long, the City Pastors are called into action to help | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
a woman who has had one too many. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
Do you want to try and get a taxi home | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
or have you got some money to get home? | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
Well, the police came up and they just noticed this lady maybe | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
looking a bit intoxicated, and asked Mark and Jo to have a chat. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:49 | |
At the end of the day, she didn't want to go into a taxi, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:56 | |
so she has walked off, but we have informed police camera | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
and given a description, so police cameras around the city can | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
keep an eye on her if she walks around. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
So at least that gives us peace of mind, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
within certain boundaries, | 0:44:08 | 0:44:09 | |
that someone will be keeping an eye on her. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
Tim hears how the presence of the City Pastors is | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
welcomed by the night-time revellers. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
I really do think, from my personal point of view, it's a good thing | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
because...every now and again, there's people like myself | 0:44:28 | 0:44:34 | |
that have a little bit too much to drink, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:39 | |
and it's good to have people that think, "Let's get you home." | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
The thought of getting Gas Street | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
and all our congregation and different people involved | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
in that, I think, can be really, really exciting moving forward. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
Community action is a good way for a church to | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
demonstrate its Christian compassion, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
so it's not just new churches that want to get involved. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
The wonderful thing about it is it's, on the whole, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
not been centrally organised. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
It's been at the local level, in parishes, in chaplaincies, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
all round the country, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:17 | |
people saying, "We need to get together and do something." | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
It's the overflow of God's love. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
In Bolton, Dave Bagley is the founder of Urban Outreach. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
It's a Christian organisation that brings together churches with | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
local businesses and volunteers. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
Over 25 years, he's developed a thriving business that helps | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
thousands of people every year. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
In the last couple of months, Dave's begun a new project | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
in a local church, called The Storehouse Pantry. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
It's a different kind of cooperative food bank. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
We're on our way now to drop off the food that we've collected | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
from the warehouse... | 0:46:10 | 0:46:11 | |
take it up to The Hope Centre, Johnson Fold. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
It's what would have been a council estate. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
It is in the top 1% areas of deprivation in Bolton and so it's | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
kind of a place where there aren't so many people dreaming big dreams. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
We need to do it before it rains again. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
-No guarantee. -Not really, no. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
In here...is the pantry. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:51 | |
Here we have Steve, he goes to part of St Peter's... | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
getting ready for it opening. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:56 | |
-Morning. -Morning. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
In a normal food bank, there will be | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
a specific allocation of food | 0:47:01 | 0:47:02 | |
and it's all packaged up into a box or into bags. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
The difference with this project, as opposed to say a food bank, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
is that...there is choice. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
I've got two, is that all right? Mum and me. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
So, people become members, there's a membership fee, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
£2.50 a week, to cover the cost of fresh groceries that we buy, | 0:47:20 | 0:47:25 | |
and then they make choices about the food they would like to take away. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
It's not just parcelled up and there it is, take it or leave it. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
That is absolutely gorgeous, really good stuff. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
It's a freedom of choice. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:39 | |
They help themselves to items from the shelves, it's colour-coded. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
I think you get six yellow items, four red and five green. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:48 | |
And they're allowed to come in and help themselves once a week. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:53 | |
That's it. It really is that simple. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
I'm done, yeah. Now I need a weightlifter! | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
The Storehouse Pantry is a joint venture between | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
Urban Outreach, St Peter's Parish | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
and Bolton at Home Housing Association. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
I've never really worked with a church so closely as I have | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
on this project and people have their reservations, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
don't they, about working with churches? | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
But I've found it really inspiring working on this project. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
A few times I've actually thought, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
"Ooh, I think I might be a Christian!" | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
VOLUNTEERS CHEER | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
I didn't know I was! I'm not saying | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
I am, I'm not saying I am, but it makes you think about Christian | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
values and how they are in my everyday life | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
without me identifying them as such. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
Ravioli, it's Italian, isn't it? | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
'If they come to church, that's great.' | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
If they don't, that's fine as well. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
There's no ulterior motive in terms of getting them into church. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
We just want to be there for people. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
We want to be there for our community | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
and show them the love of God. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
-Sugarsnap peas, it's gotta be. -What about parsnips? | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
No, he's not keen on them. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
-He likes every other veg apart from parsnips. -Right, OK. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
I'm not Christian at all. I don't have any beliefs in anything. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
It's each to their own is my view, but... | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
I just like coming because it's just friendly people. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:13 | |
Friendly and lovely people - that's why we come. We love it. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:18 | |
Some of the people who are coming to the pantry would have never have | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
come to the church, but the door should be open. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
If you're a church, surely you want people to come and learn | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
about Christ, or whatever your messages are? | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
But you have to have an open door to do that. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
I think that we are at a time in world history | 0:49:35 | 0:49:41 | |
where Christianity has an enormous part to play. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
It doesn't need to get into the mud with politics, it needs to | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
get into the front rooms of people who don't come out of those | 0:49:50 | 0:49:55 | |
front rooms because life has just become too hard. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
They've been knocked down and knocked down. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
So I see that there is a pioneering | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
opportunity for the church because there's a group of people | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
we can touch and help and assist, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
and I don't think we have even begun. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
For me, social Christianity is where the church is at its most | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
vibrant and brilliant. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
It's not just about believing, but about doing. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
But I also think it's the job of Christians to go further - | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
to ask radical questions about what's causing problems, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
to ask society how it got itself in this position in the first place. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:45 | |
Rather than wait for the church to act, a growing number | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
of Christians are choosing to take matters into their own hands. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
They're not afraid to mix up their religion with politics, | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
tackling some controversial subjects. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
Here's one I prepared earlier. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
One such Christian is Marksteen Adamson. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
He's spent the past few months photographing refugees | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
in the UK and abroad. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
I want you to grab the barbed wire just around your head | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
and squeeze it together, like, take three of them | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
and squeeze them together, and then just lean them | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
-up against your forehand. -The same as... | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
Yeah, so like a...like a crown of thorns. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
So, Hekmat, if you come and stand on the other side, over here. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
He's creating a modern version of the Stations of the Cross - | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
a traditional way for Christians to mark the Easter story. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
So, if you hold those three, yeah. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
Yeah, that's it. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
Perfect. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:55 | |
Marksteen wants to use his photos to raise | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
awareness of the suffering of refugees. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
'I feel proud of being a refugee.' | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
Some people feel ashamed. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
It's not a shame. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:09 | |
It happens all over the world because of war. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
OK, look over my head. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
The barbed wire for me represents the situation that Hekmat is | 0:52:16 | 0:52:21 | |
still in, which is that he's still waiting for his wife | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
and son to come over. You know, his journey is not over yet. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
He might be in the UK but it's not over yet. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
And the thing about Hekmat's face is that he's got real hope in his face. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
He's very optimistic. He's a very optimistic chappy, anyway. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
Marksteen is the creative director of a company that devises | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
brand strategy for global businesses. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
-We've got the stations and on one side we've got the cross. -Yeah. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
At his Cheltenham headquarters, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
he's meeting with the editor of a Christian magazine. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
There's something about the innocence of the kiss in this one... | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
-Yeah. -..which is a counterpoint to the fact | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
the kiss was used for a betrayal. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
The photos are going to be shown | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
in the magazine's Easter edition. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
Taking that suffering that Jesus experienced | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
and sort of broadening it out and showing how it's reflected | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
in everybody's suffering, whatever their race, | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
religion or background, | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
is a way of showing how that story is relevant to us all today. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
To reach a wider audience, there will also be an exhibition | 0:53:30 | 0:53:35 | |
and billboard adverts in London. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
-A lot of glue. -HE LAUGHS | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
For this modern Stations of the Cross, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
Marksteen's chosen a site close to the underground station. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
I think it's important that it's out in the public because I don't | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
want it to be seen as a church project or an institution project. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
This is about the people getting together | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
and doing something special, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
so it has to belong to the people, | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
which is why it's going to be outdoors. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
I really like the way that you're tidying up the edges! | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
I'm only doing it because you're here. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
-If you weren't here... -You'd be slapping it on, wouldn't you? | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
Hopefully, this will start to open people's eyes to how we can | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
help and how we can make a difference. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
Well, I just would say he's in trouble of some kind. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
It's a provoking poster. Trying to get a debate. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
I dunno, it reminded me of Jesus for a minute | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
because of the barbed wire... | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
Thanks, buddy. I really appreciate it. It looks really good. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
He has got glue on his hands. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
Church activity shouldn't be in church. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
It should be out of church, in the community, | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
and it's the right thing to do. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:51 | |
Being cosy, inside a church, | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
and being quite inward is the wrong thing to do. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
And this is definitely one way of getting something out there | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
that people can connect with and understand, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
regardless of their faith. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
I think Christianity is radical | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
and it should be political as well, sometimes. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
Um... I think, for too long, the church has been seen, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
and sometimes acted, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:17 | |
as an institution which meets for an hour on a Sunday | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
and you don't really hear or see of in the rest of the week, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
but I don't think that's what the church was ever intended to be. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
Most agree that the Christianity many of us grew up with | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
in this country is disappearing. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
Of course, the churches will still continue their decline, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
but it's not the end of the story | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
and there is still a lot more that could be done. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
New expressions of faith are replacing old traditions. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
There is a renewed spirit of hope, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
not in our own abilities, but in the work and presence of God among us. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
After all I've seen, I'm optimistic about the future. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
For 2,000 years, Christianity has survived | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
and adapted to its changing surroundings | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
and that's what's happening again, right now. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
I think the phrase "a quiet revolution" is a very good way | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
of describing British Christianity. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
The Christianity that's emerging is more diverse. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
There are Christians who are liberal and others who are not. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
Christians from overseas... | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
..joining Christians closer to home. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
I think it's going to be harder to define, | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
it will be more diverse, and perhaps it's going to be more interesting. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
I believe we're going to see and hear a lot more | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
about Christianity than we have done in Britain for quite some time. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:50 | |
If you thought you could ignore the faith, and its believers, | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
those days are probably long gone. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 |