The Battle for Christianity


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# We hear you... #

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I grew up going to church -

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it was part of the African-Caribbean tradition.

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Back then, church was strict.

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No cinema, no dancing and no pop music.

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But times have changed. Across the country, churches are closing.

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Less than three million people now go to church.

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Whether it's beliefs, whether it's attendance at places of worship,

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whether it's identity, Christianity is in decline.

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And yet, it's not the whole story.

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The empty pews are being filled by Christians from abroad.

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It was a shock when we saw the numbers of, you know,

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Polish people coming.

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There are Christians challenging long-held beliefs.

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72% of Anglicans under 35 are in favour of gay marriage.

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It is not pro-Christian, it is anti-gay.

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And others are going to court to defend them.

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I do feel that Christianity is being marginalised in Britain.

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Christians are speaking out.

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Christianity is radical and it should be political as well.

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And church is starting to look very different.

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It's a time of transition.

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I think we're starting to see a struggle now for the heart

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and soul of Christianity.

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I'm going to meet Christians at the forefront of this struggle...

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We're not a political party, we're a family.

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It's a family that bickers like crazy.

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..to find out what it means for the future of Christianity in Britain.

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We are at a time in world history where Christianity has

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an enormous part to play.

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We will see this nation come back to God.

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For many people, going to church on a Sunday isn't what it used to be,

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as I'm about to find out.

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HUM OF CONVERSATION

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-Hi, Dan, how you doing?

-Good to see you.

-So, this is where it's happening.

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-This is Hillsong.

-That's quite a buzz out here.

-Yeah, we're just getting ready for the next service.

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LOUD MUSIC PLAYS

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CONGREGATION SINGS ALONG

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This is Hillsong, a church which fills

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London's Dominion Theatre four times over every Sunday.

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That's more than 8,000 people.

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HE MOUTHS

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It feels like God's nightclub, with love songs to Jesus

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and a message that teaches you how a relationship with God can

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help maximise your potential. CHEERING

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See you next week!

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There's a task that is set before you,

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so if we just say, "There's a task set before us."

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There's our life. If I can say it like this, "Hey, just relax."

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Cos it's not going to be your effort.

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It's not going to be your might or your power,

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however you want to look at it,

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but it's going to be His spirit at work in your life.

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Hillsong is from Australia.

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It's part of the Pentecostal movement.

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It feels to me like charismatic faith meeting

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the aspirations of today's young people.

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'Afterwards, I caught up with church pastor Gary Clarke.'

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Do you think there's a battle for the soul of Britain?

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Ooh! That's a big question!

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Um... I don't know.

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I wouldn't call it a battle. Um...

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You know, it's... I think there is a...there is a...

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a perception of church.

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There's a perception of even Christianity

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that... Public perception has so narrowed it down to

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one or two singular, singular things.

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And I think, if we're going to talk about a battle,

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I think trying to show people that Christianity is relevant to every

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individual's personal life. Um...

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Then I think we've got a battle against that.

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That's... That's for sure.

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That was incredibly lively, energetic and youthful.

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It's the kind of church I would have gone to 30 years ago

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but now, at my age, I'm a bit old for it.

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But I can see why young people are attracted to coming here.

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Britain is changing.

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Secularisation,

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technology,

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globalism -

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they're all making their mark.

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No surprise, then, that churches are also starting to look different.

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One of the biggest changes in the last 60 years or so

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has been the growth of multicultural Britain.

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In some places, it has quite literally changed

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the face of the church.

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Immigration's made a huge difference to Christianity

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in recent decades because, of all migrants to Britain, by religion,

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Christianity is by far the largest.

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On declaration of your faith in Christ,

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we baptise you in the name of the Father,

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the Son and the Holy Spirit.

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TRANSLATOR TRANSLATES

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At St George's in Barnsley,

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they've had over 50 baptisms in the last year.

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I want to get baptised because I want to be with God.

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But they need a translator to assist at these baptisms

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because so many of the converts are immigrants.

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We baptise you in the name of the Father,

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the Son and the Holy Spirit...

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TRANSLATOR TRANSLATES

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The translator at St George's is Sadegh - an Iranian refugee and

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Christian convert who fled his home country for fear of persecution.

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He's recently been appointed the church's Evangelism coordinator.

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Father, show me one person to talk to, in Jesus' name, Father...

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He goes out on the streets of Barnsley to talk to

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people about God and the church.

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God created us to be with him,

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to receive this love and to give this love back to him.

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Whoever believes in him shall not perish

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but will have everlasting life.

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'For years, I wanted to kind of

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'reach out to town more spontaneously'

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but never had the personnel, really.

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I'm not like at all that and there's been no-one in the congregation

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who's been like that.

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And so I've been praying for years, "Lord, send us someone who's got

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"that gifting to go out."

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And Sadegh came to us as an Iranian translator.

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-Thank you, my friend.

-Bless you. Bless you, brother.

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But having seen his gifting, I just said, "I could see you doing this,

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"please try it." And it's just been wonderful.

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-Do you mind if I pray for you?

-Yeah.

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Sadegh is bold in his faith.

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You know, I was Muslim background but then Jesus saved my life.

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To British tastes, his approach can seem unconventional.

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# You're the Son of God, Jesus...

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# You're the lord of lords...

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# King of kings... #

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'I'm not a good singer,'

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but I don't care what people think. I'm not living for people.

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I love people, but I'm living for God

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and God uses any opportunity to speak to people.

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Very good to see you. Jesus loves you.

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'Did Jesus sit in the church?'

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Jesus always went to people.

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The ministry is outside, it's not inside.

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# Come, now is the time to worship

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# Come... #

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The confidence of faith shared by immigrants like Sadegh has

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changed St George's dramatically in the last ten years.

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40% of the congregation are now immigrants.

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We came to Barnsley 27 years ago, to an all-white congregation,

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and Barnsley was 99% white then.

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But 20 years ago, I felt God giving me

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a vision of building a house of prayer for all nations.

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We put a big banner up in front of the church saying,

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"House of prayer for all nations",

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and we've just had an influx of mainly refugees and asylum seekers.

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Good morning.

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Sadegh, and many of the other immigrants and refugees,

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play a vital role in the running of the church.

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I have an African honorary curate.

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Five members of our PCC are from other nations.

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Our Evangelism co-ordinator is an Iranian.

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Our church warden is Argentinian.

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They're really at the heart of our church life.

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It's very hard to imagine the church without them.

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# He can move the mountains

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# He rose and conquered the grave... #

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Christians from overseas bringing their spiritual fervour

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to the streets of the UK is nothing new.

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In the '50s and '60s, African-Caribbean people

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brought their own tradition of street preaching called "warners".

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These days, with Christianity in decline, the arrival of new

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Christians can revitalise a church.

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It can also be a challenge.

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Certainly, the traditional church structures are having

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to take immigration much more seriously.

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They're having to listen to the people on the ground,

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joining the churches in quite large numbers,

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speaking a different language, perhaps coming from different

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forms of worship and wanting to bring change.

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It is shaking the church up.

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If you look at the membership of the Roman Catholic Church in

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this country, it would have shrunk enormously if it hadn't

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been for the immigration that we've experienced from Eastern Europe.

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By 2005, over a quarter of Catholics had stopped going to church.

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HE SPEAKS IN POLISH

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But around the same time, migrants from Eastern Europe

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started coming to Britain for work.

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They also wanted to go to church.

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THEY SPEAK IN POLISH

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This is St Simon's in Glasgow.

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It's been providing a separate Polish mass

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since Poles settled here after the Second World War.

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But 12 years ago, it saw a dramatic change.

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As soon as the European borders opened for those coming to work,

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a lot of young people came.

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They were just coming over in hordes.

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The parish priest, suddenly, he was getting phone calls

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from the police saying there are Polish people just coming

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off the train and they think they've to come and stay here.

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Now, there's two beds in there, that's all.

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'It was a shock,

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'when we saw the numbers of Polish people coming.'

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It's a little church and it can only

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hold approximately 200 people.

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St Simon's now has four masses every weekend -

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two in Polish and two in English.

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They come to England and find churches that are converted

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into clubs or university buildings, or other things.

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And one young person said to me,

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"This feels like English people have forgotten God."

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CHATTER

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So there's this real sense of almost of a loss

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of the faith that they feel when they come here.

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'The first year here was very dark for me.

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'I was here on my own, I was deeply depressed,

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'and I went on a pilgrimage and life changed for me drastically.

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'My inner change was very deep and very radical when I met Jesus.'

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THEY PRAY IN POLISH

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As young Poles continue to arrive in Glasgow,

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they bring with them a renewed spiritual energy.

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-ALL:

-Amen.

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Some of us are quite fresh, here in Scotland,

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but I think we are invited by the Holy Spirit to cooperate with

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Scottish people and take part in building Scottish Church as well.

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I was maybe thinking we could do one night in English

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because sometimes like I feel like I'm at work,

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and I want to tell them about the meetings we have,

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but it's very hard for me to invite them

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if it's going to be all in Polish.

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The church now has to work out

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how to respond to the enthusiasm of these young Christians.

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'It's a case of, although we talk about dwindling numbers

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'and what have you, God is alive in the world.'

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I think the challenge is for us to respond to him.

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But what happens when Christians from overseas believe that

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what God wants is different from the ideas of wider society?

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As well as a passion for their faith,

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when Christians come to Britain, they also bring with them

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their values, traditions and beliefs.

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Sometimes, these beliefs rub up against the values

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of mainstream society.

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In recent times, this has been the case

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with so-called hot-button issues

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such as abortion, euthanasia and same-sex marriage.

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People who are coming into our country from parts

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of the global south,

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or the Afro-Caribbean churches,

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are coming from more conservative parts of the world.

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And as...generations pass, we are observing very interesting patterns

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as to how these groups of people become part of British society.

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The fastest growing Christian movement in the world

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is Pentecostalism.

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In the UK, the fastest growing church is part of that movement.

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# My God is awesome... #

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Yes, he is awesome!

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# Awesome... #

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There's no-one like him, he's awesome!

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# Awesome... #

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The Redeemed Christian Church of God began in Nigeria

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and came to Britain in the late '80s.

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# Awesome... #

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It has almost 750 churches nationwide and over 50,000 members.

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As long as we refuse to give the heavens any rest,

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as we pray to God in prayer, not for our will but for him

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to bring his will to pass.

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Pastor Agu is confident the church can attract even more people.

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'The goals for the future'

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are to expand the church,

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to reach more people, to reach people from other ethnic groups,

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especially when you exist in a multicultural society.

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I'm optimistic that we will see this nation come back to God.

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# You do glorious things

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# You're a faithful God

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# Awesome is your name... #

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That was a great example of Pentecostal worship.

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It was lively, it was engaged, practical and full of hope,

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and that's why it works.

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Jesus tells a parable...

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Many Pentecostal Christians

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regard the Bible as the literal word of God.

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In this country, that can sometimes be at odds with

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our more liberal society.

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I want to know how Pastor Agu navigates the potential conflicts.

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How, then, would you engage with the issue of same-sex marriage from

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the context of the Bible and the traditions of the redeemed church?

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Our message is one of love. We don't judge, we don't condemn,

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we love everybody,

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but we have a worldview that comes from the Bible

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and so that worldview is that we believe that

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monoga...monogamous marriage between a man and a woman

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is God's definition of how the family should exist.

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Can other people have views that are opposed to that? Absolutely!

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Will I respect other people's views? Absolutely!

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Am I going to condemn or judge other people's views?

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That's totally un-Christian. I can live with many different views,

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but in the same way I would expect that people would also

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respect my own position and my own worldview.

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And given that there are these different positions within

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the Christian church on these big issues,

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do you feel that there's a struggle for the soul of Christianity

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in Britain, where Christianity will go in the future?

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Well, I feel that, that...certain sections of society

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would love that struggle to exist and would love to highlight

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the differences, and I say to them, "The beauty of our faith is that we

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"can have differences about issues, but we agree about certain things."

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Let's just stay united about the foundations of our faith

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and let's focus on what we can do together,

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and let's respect each other's positions where we differ.

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But in truth, this is an issue that's already dividing

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Christians in this country.

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It's pulling the faith in two different directions,

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with both sides feeling compelled to make their case.

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I was raised in the Pentecostal movement,

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but I've shifted my ground on some of its conservative theology.

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I'm comfortable with a more liberal

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interpretation of what the Bible is saying for our society today,

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but I know Christians of all different churches

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who wouldn't agree. Some are even prepared to go to court

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to defend their personal convictions.

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The Christian Institute has a legal defence fund to help

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Christians in court because their religious beliefs have

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brought them into conflict with the law.

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A couple who run a hotel in Cornwall have been told they broke

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the law when they refused to let two gay men to share a room...

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The appeal hearing in the so-called "gay cake case"

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was halted this morning...

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The judge said that social attitudes in Britain had

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changed over the past 50 years and it was inevitable that laws

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would cut across some people's religious beliefs.

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I do feel that Christianity is being marginalised in Britain.

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The kind of cases that we've been involved with

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are major precedent-setting cases,

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which will have implications

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for years to come, where religious liberty is the primary issue...

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and where the ruling, in that particular case, will have wider

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consequences for the freedoms of Christians generally.

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One of the Institute's most recent cases has been helping to

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defend the McArthurs, who own Ashers Bakery in Northern Ireland.

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"Ashers does not discriminate against anyone..."

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The McArthurs refused to make a cake

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carrying the slogan "Support Gay Marriage".

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It was for a campaign to change the law in Northern Ireland.

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We took issue with the message on the cake and not the customer.

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We certainly felt that what it said was against what the Bible taught.

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This is my life, this isn't something

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I do at church.

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You know, if people think that's culturally

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irrelevant then that doesn't matter to me.

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What matters to me is that I live my life, as best as I can,

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in accordance to God's commands.

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The customer they turned away

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approached the Equality Commission for Northern Ireland.

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It helped him to commence legal action against the McArthur

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family and Ashers Baking Company.

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The cake and the money isn't important,

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it's whether or not someone like Gareth can walk into a shop,

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or a hotel or a restaurant, and wonder, "Can I be served here

0:21:520:21:55

"because they might have a different religious opinion than me?"

0:21:550:21:58

The McArthurs lost the case and were found guilty of discrimination.

0:21:580:22:02

They were ordered to pay damages.

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We've no regrets about what we've done.

0:22:040:22:06

There is a marginalisation.

0:22:060:22:08

There is an unhealthy scepticism about Christians,

0:22:080:22:15

about aspects of Christian belief.

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It is not pro-Christian, it is anti-gay!

0:22:160:22:20

This is not simply about some form of religious intolerance

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or a closing down of religious expression.

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This is about when you enter into the public domain,

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and you choose to trade as a commercial enterprise,

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you're ruled by the laws of the land.

0:22:300:22:32

If we coerce the McArthur family into promoting a point of view which

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is completely opposite to their own, who else will get coerced?

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Will a Muslim printer be told

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that he has to print cartoons of Mohammed?

0:22:460:22:50

I do think you are going to see more issues going to the courts to see,

0:22:520:22:57

as it were, how different kinds of communities and different parts of

0:22:570:23:03

our society are going to find new ways of living together,

0:23:030:23:06

and that won't be easy, that's for sure.

0:23:060:23:08

The McArthurs are continuing their battle

0:23:100:23:12

and appealing the court decision.

0:23:120:23:14

I don't think there should be

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a pick-and-mix approach to Christianity.

0:23:170:23:19

Don't be afraid to take your Christian stand

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because we've learned that God is with you, in all of it, and he

0:23:230:23:29

gives you the grace to stand against these trials and these challenges.

0:23:290:23:34

The way forward is...is not for the church to simply imitate

0:23:340:23:39

the society around us.

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The way forward is for the church to be the church,

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to follow Christ, to follow the teachings of the Bible.

0:23:450:23:49

When Christians with orthodox views speak out on social issues,

0:23:510:23:55

it's problematic.

0:23:550:23:57

Society no longer speaks the same language.

0:23:570:24:00

It doesn't understand the religious context

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and all it hears are prejudiced, outdated views.

0:24:020:24:06

BELL RINGS

0:24:060:24:07

For lots of young people,

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Christianity is now morally objectionable.

0:24:160:24:19

They don't want something to do with churches which don't

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believe in human rights and the equality of all human beings.

0:24:220:24:25

If churches want to attract the next generation,

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some believe they have to become more tolerant.

0:24:320:24:35

I went to a very high-class school in Buckinghamshire to

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preach at a confirmation.

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As I got into the pulpit, I heard him say - "There you are, Edward, I

0:24:430:24:47

"told you it would be a ruddy bore. Even the bishop's got his iPad out."

0:24:470:24:53

LAUGHTER

0:24:530:24:54

So we'll see how we can do this afternoon!

0:24:540:24:56

Bishop Alan Wilson is one of those urging a more tolerant future.

0:24:570:25:02

'72% of Anglicans under 35

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'are in favour of gay marriage.'

0:25:050:25:08

Well, in a culture like that,

0:25:080:25:11

how long do we think we can keep this up?

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'I think that will become increasingly unsustainable.'

0:25:130:25:17

Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation, through your goodness

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we have this bread to set before you, which earth has given and human

0:25:210:25:25

hands have made. It will become for us the bread of life.

0:25:250:25:30

'I think it is possible that'

0:25:300:25:32

Christianity will become more sectarianised,

0:25:320:25:34

more sort of balkanised into little groups of people who don't really

0:25:340:25:38

understand one another but know what's wrong with everybody else.

0:25:380:25:42

I think that would be a very sad future for Christianity.

0:25:420:25:45

The tradition we have in the Church of England is of having

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all kinds of different views and faiths and passions

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being dealt with on a basis of justice and love and equality,

0:25:510:25:56

and I would hope that we can stay with that

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and be that kind of a church.

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But it's not only on social issues that the church has found itself

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clashing with society.

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The Church of England says it's bewildered by a decision

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by leading cinemas not to screen a Christmas advert featuring

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the Lord's Prayer.

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# Give us this day... #

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..our daily bread...

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..forgive us our trespasses...

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Last year, the company responsible for showing cinema ads

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refused to show this Lord's Prayer film.

0:26:330:26:36

..but deliver us from evil...

0:26:360:26:38

..for thine is the kingdom...

0:26:380:26:41

..the power and the glory...

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The company has a long-standing policy of not accepting

0:26:430:26:48

political or religious advertising.

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-Amen.

-Amen.

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News of the decision sparked a national debate.

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I think the furore around the Church of England prayer advert

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was really interesting.

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It showed that there was a lot stronger support for

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the Church of England as a public church

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than we perhaps thought there was.

0:27:090:27:11

I found the reaction to the ban intriguing.

0:27:110:27:14

No-one seemed sure whether it was a good thing or a bad thing.

0:27:140:27:17

It's just emphasising the idea of praying, in general,

0:27:170:27:20

it doesn't actually have to be for Christianity,

0:27:200:27:23

but it can be for different religions.

0:27:230:27:25

There's a question mark on whether these religions

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should be allowed to promote at that level.

0:27:270:27:29

For me, this is blatant salesmanship.

0:27:290:27:31

At one level, it is blatant salesmanship,

0:27:310:27:34

but obviously the more people that are engaged in religion the better.

0:27:340:27:38

The Church of England misrepresented the situation.

0:27:380:27:41

The advertisers concerned do not accept any political or any

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religious advertising of any sort.

0:27:440:27:46

The British Humanist Association has been caught out by the same rule.

0:27:460:27:50

The difference is we didn't try and manufacture a media story

0:27:510:27:54

out of it, to try and get public sympathy on our side,

0:27:540:27:57

because we're just not that desperate.

0:27:570:28:00

I want to know what the head of the Church of England,

0:28:000:28:02

the Archbishop of Canterbury, made of the fuss.

0:28:020:28:05

Regarding the Lord's Prayer advert,

0:28:080:28:11

was that a bit of clever politicking by the Church

0:28:110:28:14

to get a response because bans are good for business sometimes?

0:28:140:28:19

I wish we were that clever!

0:28:190:28:21

No, it wasn't. No, it was...the first

0:28:210:28:24

I heard of it was someone rang me up and said they've...

0:28:240:28:27

the cinemas have said they can't show it.

0:28:270:28:30

And I was slightly baffled by it, really.

0:28:300:28:33

It's not controversial,

0:28:330:28:34

it's not condemning people, so it was slightly baffling

0:28:340:28:38

and odd that they should feel it was worth banning.

0:28:380:28:40

In one newspaper I read,

0:28:400:28:42

where you said that you thought Britain was becoming anti-Christian,

0:28:420:28:47

or is it just a case that the church has moved more to the right?

0:28:470:28:51

More conservative?

0:28:510:28:52

I don't remember myself saying that the church should be

0:28:520:28:55

anti-Christian, I think the press may have put that in.

0:28:550:28:59

I don't think the church has moved particularly to the right,

0:28:590:29:02

or to the left. I think that's...

0:29:020:29:05

I think that's a false way of looking at it.

0:29:050:29:08

The church is neither right nor left.

0:29:080:29:10

It identifies with the Kingdom of God,

0:29:100:29:13

which is both right and left...

0:29:130:29:16

in different ways, and doesn't really fit on a political spectrum.

0:29:160:29:20

Despite that, there is a well-documented tension between

0:29:200:29:25

where the church is, in terms of its ethics and its concerns,

0:29:250:29:30

and where society is.

0:29:300:29:31

Church, at its best, is in constant engagement with society

0:29:310:29:35

and listening very carefully.

0:29:350:29:38

We are, within the church,

0:29:380:29:40

learning to listen better to one another

0:29:400:29:43

and to discern what the right way forward is.

0:29:430:29:47

We're not a political party, we're a family.

0:29:470:29:49

And if part of the family is struggling,

0:29:490:29:52

then you want to encourage that part of the family.

0:29:520:29:55

I like the family analogy.

0:29:550:29:57

Is it sometimes a family at war?

0:29:570:29:59

Oh, it's a family that bickers like crazy.

0:29:590:30:02

Some argue through sulking quietly in different rooms,

0:30:020:30:06

and others go out in the back yard and shout at each other.

0:30:060:30:10

Anglicans tend to be more like the latter, if I'm really honest.

0:30:100:30:13

Um...but...

0:30:130:30:16

the work of the spirit of God is to bring renewal and revival,

0:30:160:30:19

among many others things, in each part of the church,

0:30:190:30:23

and, if we're obedient, we seek to enable each part of the church

0:30:230:30:28

to flourish, as you do in a family.

0:30:280:30:31

I hope the Archbishop can hold his church family together

0:30:320:30:36

as it tries to work out the right way to move forward.

0:30:360:30:39

Now, more than ever, in our diverse nation, we need a broad church.

0:30:390:30:44

Perhaps the biggest struggle

0:30:500:30:52

facing most churches is how to fill the empty pews.

0:30:520:30:55

Some take a bold approach.

0:31:000:31:02

If the pews have been deserted by older people,

0:31:030:31:06

should the focus now be on the up-and-coming generation?

0:31:060:31:10

Hillsong UK has been attracting a younger crowd since 1999.

0:31:150:31:20

To get its message across, it invests in technology

0:31:200:31:23

and approaches that speak to young people.

0:31:230:31:27

So we're here, at our warehouse in south-east London.

0:31:270:31:30

South-east London, mate.

0:31:300:31:31

Dan Blythe is the youth and young adult pastor.

0:31:310:31:34

This is our Bermondsey, south Bermondsey campus,

0:31:350:31:38

it's one of five campuses and this is just the stage, pretty basic,

0:31:380:31:42

but all of these lights are just getting

0:31:420:31:45

ready for the Fearless presentation, just working out different settings

0:31:450:31:49

and programming, all that technical stuff,

0:31:490:31:51

which I don't have a clue about.

0:31:510:31:52

-Hello. Welcome to Fearless. My name's Dan.

-My name's Charlie.

0:31:540:31:57

This show comes right out of the youth and young adult ministry

0:31:570:32:00

of the Hillsong Church, London.

0:32:000:32:02

Dan is responsible for a new project called Fearless Generation.

0:32:050:32:09

It aims to inspire young Christians to conquer their fears

0:32:090:32:13

and lead successful lives.

0:32:130:32:14

For our young people who have this serious fear of failure,

0:32:170:32:19

fearing that they're going to fail at school, fail their friends,

0:32:190:32:22

fail their parents, I just thought, "Well, let's start

0:32:220:32:25

"talking about this, show what the Bible has to say about it."

0:32:250:32:28

And so, from that, we got asked to start a TV show.

0:32:280:32:31

But we called that Fearless,

0:32:330:32:34

and then we called the clothing label Fearless,

0:32:340:32:37

and then we've been asked to do a radio show now,

0:32:370:32:39

which we're calling Fearless as well.

0:32:390:32:41

But we want to encourage them to be part of a fearless generation,

0:32:410:32:44

where, every day, no matter what they fear,

0:32:440:32:46

they actually can put their faith in God and overcome that fear.

0:32:460:32:49

Dan and his team are putting together

0:32:510:32:53

a presentation for Hillsong leaders.

0:32:530:32:55

It's more of a live concert than PowerPoint, featuring dancers,

0:32:580:33:02

smoke machines and lasers.

0:33:020:33:04

Look, we're just giving it to you, Lord God.

0:33:040:33:06

As we step into rehearsals, Lord God, we're not

0:33:060:33:08

stressing about a track issue, Lord,

0:33:080:33:10

we're not stressing about a styling issue,

0:33:100:33:12

we're not stressing about the fact we've not sung this

0:33:120:33:14

song for a few months or not danced these steps before, Lord.

0:33:140:33:17

And so we come before you, Lord, with praise, Lord, with Thanksgiving.

0:33:170:33:20

And we give it all to you in the name of Jesus.

0:33:200:33:22

-Amen.

-Amen.

0:33:220:33:23

Sweet.

0:33:230:33:24

..fear no evil.

0:33:240:33:26

Faith allows us to fear God,

0:33:260:33:28

be in awe of his might...

0:33:280:33:30

It will eventually be performed for young adults in prisons and schools.

0:33:300:33:34

..true faith in our God will always overpower fears,

0:33:340:33:37

doubts and insecurities...

0:33:370:33:39

Dan believes that presenting God's message in an accessible way

0:33:390:33:42

for young people is key to the future of the faith.

0:33:420:33:45

We stand bold, we stand courageous,

0:33:450:33:47

we stand victorious, a fearless generation,

0:33:470:33:51

If you were actually to ask me, "Why do some churches grow

0:33:510:33:54

"and some churches not grow?" I'd purely just put it down to whether

0:33:540:33:57

we can communicate this gospel of grace in an effective way that young

0:33:570:34:01

people, or anyone who's listening, can actually understand it.

0:34:010:34:04

I guess, for me, being slightly older now,

0:34:100:34:13

and as the older generation in our church,

0:34:130:34:16

our job is to make sure we remain sacrificial in style.

0:34:160:34:19

So right now, sure I love this style,

0:34:190:34:21

but in 30 years' time, 40 years' time,

0:34:210:34:24

you know, when I'm grey and rocking around, whatever,

0:34:240:34:27

will I then be open to whatever the young people do then?

0:34:270:34:31

It might not be my preference, but will I be willing to

0:34:320:34:35

do that so that the next generation can hear a message of grace?

0:34:350:34:38

I'd say, yeah, hopefully, because that's what it's all about,

0:34:380:34:40

innovating the method not the message.

0:34:400:34:43

# ..my saviour... #

0:34:430:34:45

A lot of the churches like Hillsong will appeal more to

0:34:470:34:50

young people at a certain stage of life and energy, and dating,

0:34:500:34:54

and it fits with where they are.

0:34:540:34:56

It certainly doesn't mean they're the future of

0:34:560:34:58

where everything else is going to go.

0:34:580:35:01

# ..we are here for you... #

0:35:060:35:09

But it's not only Hillsong that's offering

0:35:100:35:13

Christianity in a more contemporary setting.

0:35:130:35:16

To counter the declining numbers, the Church of England's

0:35:160:35:20

got its own new strategy called church planting.

0:35:200:35:23

# Almighty God of love

0:35:230:35:26

# We welcome you in this place... #

0:35:260:35:29

Latimer Minster is one such church plant.

0:35:290:35:32

In the past three years, it's seen massive growth.

0:35:320:35:36

We started with a small group of us in my sitting room

0:35:360:35:40

about five years ago,

0:35:400:35:42

then we got this farm in 2012.

0:35:420:35:45

And there's about 400 people

0:35:450:35:47

for whom this is their main church community now.

0:35:470:35:50

Vicar Frog Orr-Ewing started the Minster on a run-down fruit farm.

0:35:530:35:58

It's gradually being renovated to create a purpose-built

0:35:580:36:02

missional community.

0:36:020:36:03

There'll be housing for the clergy, worship spaces and a working farm.

0:36:050:36:09

Our hope is that, over the next couple of years,

0:36:110:36:15

we will be building a wooden barn

0:36:150:36:17

and that will be our eventual home as a church.

0:36:170:36:20

But in the meantime, we're meeting in the tent.

0:36:200:36:23

This sermon is about finding sense in the world.

0:36:230:36:27

We are now looking at Galatians chapter three.

0:36:270:36:31

'There is no doubt that starting new churches'

0:36:330:36:37

has been a crucial way

0:36:370:36:38

in which churches have grown in the last 30 years.

0:36:380:36:42

It's seen as a model that works,

0:36:420:36:44

that can be sent out across the country,

0:36:440:36:47

and that energises existing populations.

0:36:470:36:50

Last year, the church appointed a new bishop with

0:36:550:36:59

the job of supporting church planting.

0:36:590:37:02

So what I want to do today is talk about -

0:37:030:37:05

just the next half an hour - church size dynamics. So...

0:37:050:37:09

Bishop Ric Thorpe runs courses for would-be church planters to

0:37:090:37:13

learn how to make their new churches more appealing.

0:37:130:37:17

..great sense of worship, of ministry,

0:37:170:37:20

you can go out and do social transformation and so on.

0:37:200:37:24

There is definitely a new movement of people who

0:37:240:37:27

are saying, "Actually, how can we do things

0:37:270:37:30

"in a culturally relevant way?"

0:37:300:37:32

We are seeing a lot of younger people loving a more

0:37:380:37:42

contemporary style of music, loving that relevant preaching and so on.

0:37:420:37:46

I think I wouldn't say at the detriment of other styles

0:37:460:37:49

that are different, but clearly that is making a difference.

0:37:490:37:51

THEY SING

0:37:510:37:55

We love this place.

0:37:570:37:59

I think, when we first arrived,

0:37:590:38:00

we'd never felt more welcomed in any church, in any kind of community.

0:38:000:38:04

# ..you are holy... #

0:38:050:38:07

It's quite difficult to put into words.

0:38:080:38:11

It's just you feel it.

0:38:110:38:12

You can just get lost and just enjoy the Lord's presence.

0:38:140:38:17

Everyone's looking for purpose and meaning, but when you come

0:38:200:38:24

here you feel like you get that meaning with, like, a capital M.

0:38:240:38:28

# ..you've been saved through the ages... #

0:38:280:38:30

But not everyone is convinced by this apparent religious revival.

0:38:300:38:35

Some are worried that the intensity of worship

0:38:350:38:37

can actually put people off.

0:38:370:38:40

The more kind of noisy and trumpeted the revivals have got

0:38:400:38:43

since the '50s, the more Christianity has fallen.

0:38:430:38:47

Most people don't want enthusiastic religion.

0:38:470:38:50

Most people want to go about their ordinary lives

0:38:500:38:52

and they want religion as a framework, as a support,

0:38:520:38:55

something that they can turn to,

0:38:550:38:56

something that gives them orientation,

0:38:560:38:58

but it's not their primary identity.

0:38:580:39:00

And they're actually quite frightened of really

0:39:000:39:03

enthusiastic religion.

0:39:030:39:04

It seems a bit crazy, to them.

0:39:040:39:06

I don't think there is any sense in which church planting can be

0:39:060:39:09

said to be reversing church decline,

0:39:090:39:11

but there is a correlation between church plants being often

0:39:110:39:14

the ones that are still growing.

0:39:140:39:16

There is more to these churches than just lively worship.

0:39:210:39:25

Also key to their success is a programme of social action -

0:39:250:39:29

finding ways to meet the needs of the local community.

0:39:290:39:32

In London, there's a church that's shown how important

0:39:400:39:44

social engagement can be.

0:39:440:39:45

Members of Holy Trinity Brompton have helped to plant 29 new churches

0:39:460:39:51

across London and beyond.

0:39:510:39:53

Its vicar is Nicky Gumbel.

0:39:560:39:58

How important is social justice as part of the new move to

0:39:580:40:02

engage with the wider world?

0:40:020:40:04

I think young people

0:40:040:40:05

are passionate about justice issues,

0:40:050:40:08

you know, people are passionate about issues to do

0:40:080:40:11

with trafficking and resisting that appalling trade

0:40:110:40:16

that is going on at the moment.

0:40:160:40:17

People are passionate about homelessness.

0:40:170:40:19

They're passionate about the people who are at the very

0:40:190:40:22

bottom of society, in the sense that they're in prison,

0:40:220:40:25

and often people who...who've...who are really struggling with life.

0:40:250:40:29

So what would you make of this comment that the nation has

0:40:290:40:33

become more anti-Christian,

0:40:330:40:35

is that something you find resonance with?

0:40:350:40:38

I think it's kind of been rejected now by young people

0:40:380:40:40

and I think they see the positive,

0:40:400:40:42

they see the churches doing the homeless shelters,

0:40:420:40:45

they see the churches are the ones who are volunteering

0:40:450:40:49

in society, the ones who are wanting to make a difference, the ones who

0:40:490:40:52

are meeting the offenders when they come out of prison

0:40:520:40:55

and looking after them, and caring for them,

0:40:550:40:57

and I think they're very attracted by that.

0:40:570:40:59

To find out more, I'm visiting Birmingham.

0:41:040:41:08

And hopefully there'll be lots of time for you to say hello to

0:41:080:41:11

people and meet some new people, so you're very, very welcome.

0:41:110:41:14

We're excited you're here

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and we're excited for what God's going to do tonight here.

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OK, so we're going to worship together.

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I'll pray and then Josh is going to lead us in our worship.

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THEY ALL SING

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Last year, Tim Hughes and his wife Rachel

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came here from Holy Trinity Brompton.

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Working with the Diocese of Birmingham,

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they've set up a new church plant.

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We want to make a difference in this amazing city of Birmingham

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and people are excited about that,

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that's attractive for people to be a part of.

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The new church is just round the corner from Broad Street -

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the hub of the city's nightlife.

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So Tim is spending a night with the Christian City Pastors,

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who lend a hand to its night-time crowds.

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City Pastors is a project

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that's been running for about five years now,

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set up as a voluntary project,

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comprised of volunteers, 58 of them,

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from 16 churches across Birmingham.

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Tim is looking to see how members of his church

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could help this city centre ministry.

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For us, as a church at Gas Street,

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the whole thing is about encouraging young people

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in our congregation to be confident about who they are

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in their faith and the mission.

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You know, our mission and our calling as Christians is to be good

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news and so things like City Pastors are amazing.

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That's what I see them doing, just bringing hope, life,

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safety and a caring presence.

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Particularly as people get intoxicated, if you have maybe

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groups of girls that have come out together, they get separated

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inside a club and we find somebody on their own just sitting there.

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What do you do then?

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Well, we're obviously looking out,

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we're constantly looking out for those kinds of people,

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anybody that's in a vulnerable situation at all.

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We're here to be Jesus' hands

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and feet on the street and to care for people.

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Before long, the City Pastors are called into action to help

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a woman who has had one too many.

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Do you want to try and get a taxi home

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or have you got some money to get home?

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Well, the police came up and they just noticed this lady maybe

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looking a bit intoxicated, and asked Mark and Jo to have a chat.

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At the end of the day, she didn't want to go into a taxi,

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so she has walked off, but we have informed police camera

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and given a description, so police cameras around the city can

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keep an eye on her if she walks around.

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So at least that gives us peace of mind,

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within certain boundaries,

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that someone will be keeping an eye on her.

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Tim hears how the presence of the City Pastors is

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welcomed by the night-time revellers.

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I really do think, from my personal point of view, it's a good thing

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because...every now and again, there's people like myself

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that have a little bit too much to drink,

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and it's good to have people that think, "Let's get you home."

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The thought of getting Gas Street

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and all our congregation and different people involved

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in that, I think, can be really, really exciting moving forward.

0:44:510:44:55

Community action is a good way for a church to

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demonstrate its Christian compassion,

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so it's not just new churches that want to get involved.

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The wonderful thing about it is it's, on the whole,

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not been centrally organised.

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It's been at the local level, in parishes, in chaplaincies,

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all round the country,

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people saying, "We need to get together and do something."

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It's the overflow of God's love.

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In Bolton, Dave Bagley is the founder of Urban Outreach.

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It's a Christian organisation that brings together churches with

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local businesses and volunteers.

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Over 25 years, he's developed a thriving business that helps

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thousands of people every year.

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In the last couple of months, Dave's begun a new project

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in a local church, called The Storehouse Pantry.

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It's a different kind of cooperative food bank.

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We're on our way now to drop off the food that we've collected

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from the warehouse...

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take it up to The Hope Centre, Johnson Fold.

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It's what would have been a council estate.

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It is in the top 1% areas of deprivation in Bolton and so it's

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kind of a place where there aren't so many people dreaming big dreams.

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We need to do it before it rains again.

0:46:340:46:37

-No guarantee.

-Not really, no.

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In here...is the pantry.

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Here we have Steve, he goes to part of St Peter's...

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getting ready for it opening.

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-Morning.

-Morning.

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In a normal food bank, there will be

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a specific allocation of food

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and it's all packaged up into a box or into bags.

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The difference with this project, as opposed to say a food bank,

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is that...there is choice.

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I've got two, is that all right? Mum and me.

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So, people become members, there's a membership fee,

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£2.50 a week, to cover the cost of fresh groceries that we buy,

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and then they make choices about the food they would like to take away.

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It's not just parcelled up and there it is, take it or leave it.

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That is absolutely gorgeous, really good stuff.

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It's a freedom of choice.

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They help themselves to items from the shelves, it's colour-coded.

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I think you get six yellow items, four red and five green.

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And they're allowed to come in and help themselves once a week.

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That's it. It really is that simple.

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I'm done, yeah. Now I need a weightlifter!

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The Storehouse Pantry is a joint venture between

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Urban Outreach, St Peter's Parish

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and Bolton at Home Housing Association.

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I've never really worked with a church so closely as I have

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on this project and people have their reservations,

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don't they, about working with churches?

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But I've found it really inspiring working on this project.

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A few times I've actually thought,

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"Ooh, I think I might be a Christian!"

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VOLUNTEERS CHEER

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I didn't know I was! I'm not saying

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I am, I'm not saying I am, but it makes you think about Christian

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values and how they are in my everyday life

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without me identifying them as such.

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Ravioli, it's Italian, isn't it?

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'If they come to church, that's great.'

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If they don't, that's fine as well.

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There's no ulterior motive in terms of getting them into church.

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We just want to be there for people.

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We want to be there for our community

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and show them the love of God.

0:48:510:48:53

-Sugarsnap peas, it's gotta be.

-What about parsnips?

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No, he's not keen on them.

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-He likes every other veg apart from parsnips.

-Right, OK.

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I'm not Christian at all. I don't have any beliefs in anything.

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It's each to their own is my view, but...

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I just like coming because it's just friendly people.

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Friendly and lovely people - that's why we come. We love it.

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Some of the people who are coming to the pantry would have never have

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come to the church, but the door should be open.

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If you're a church, surely you want people to come and learn

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about Christ, or whatever your messages are?

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But you have to have an open door to do that.

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I think that we are at a time in world history

0:49:350:49:41

where Christianity has an enormous part to play.

0:49:410:49:45

It doesn't need to get into the mud with politics, it needs to

0:49:460:49:50

get into the front rooms of people who don't come out of those

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front rooms because life has just become too hard.

0:49:550:49:58

They've been knocked down and knocked down.

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So I see that there is a pioneering

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opportunity for the church because there's a group of people

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we can touch and help and assist,

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and I don't think we have even begun.

0:50:100:50:13

For me, social Christianity is where the church is at its most

0:50:230:50:27

vibrant and brilliant.

0:50:270:50:29

It's not just about believing, but about doing.

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But I also think it's the job of Christians to go further -

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to ask radical questions about what's causing problems,

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to ask society how it got itself in this position in the first place.

0:50:400:50:45

Rather than wait for the church to act, a growing number

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of Christians are choosing to take matters into their own hands.

0:50:510:50:55

They're not afraid to mix up their religion with politics,

0:50:550:50:58

tackling some controversial subjects.

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Here's one I prepared earlier.

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One such Christian is Marksteen Adamson.

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He's spent the past few months photographing refugees

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in the UK and abroad.

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I want you to grab the barbed wire just around your head

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and squeeze it together, like, take three of them

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and squeeze them together, and then just lean them

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-up against your forehand.

-The same as...

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Yeah, so like a...like a crown of thorns.

0:51:280:51:31

So, Hekmat, if you come and stand on the other side, over here.

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He's creating a modern version of the Stations of the Cross -

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a traditional way for Christians to mark the Easter story.

0:51:400:51:44

So, if you hold those three, yeah.

0:51:440:51:47

Yeah, that's it.

0:51:510:51:54

Perfect.

0:51:540:51:55

Marksteen wants to use his photos to raise

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awareness of the suffering of refugees.

0:51:580:52:02

'I feel proud of being a refugee.'

0:52:030:52:06

Some people feel ashamed.

0:52:060:52:08

It's not a shame.

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It happens all over the world because of war.

0:52:090:52:13

OK, look over my head.

0:52:130:52:15

The barbed wire for me represents the situation that Hekmat is

0:52:160:52:21

still in, which is that he's still waiting for his wife

0:52:210:52:24

and son to come over. You know, his journey is not over yet.

0:52:240:52:27

He might be in the UK but it's not over yet.

0:52:270:52:29

And the thing about Hekmat's face is that he's got real hope in his face.

0:52:290:52:33

He's very optimistic. He's a very optimistic chappy, anyway.

0:52:330:52:37

Marksteen is the creative director of a company that devises

0:52:400:52:44

brand strategy for global businesses.

0:52:440:52:47

-We've got the stations and on one side we've got the cross.

-Yeah.

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At his Cheltenham headquarters,

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he's meeting with the editor of a Christian magazine.

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There's something about the innocence of the kiss in this one...

0:52:570:53:01

-Yeah.

-..which is a counterpoint to the fact

0:53:010:53:04

the kiss was used for a betrayal.

0:53:040:53:06

The photos are going to be shown

0:53:060:53:08

in the magazine's Easter edition.

0:53:080:53:10

Taking that suffering that Jesus experienced

0:53:110:53:14

and sort of broadening it out and showing how it's reflected

0:53:140:53:17

in everybody's suffering, whatever their race,

0:53:170:53:19

religion or background,

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is a way of showing how that story is relevant to us all today.

0:53:210:53:25

To reach a wider audience, there will also be an exhibition

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and billboard adverts in London.

0:53:350:53:37

-A lot of glue.

-HE LAUGHS

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For this modern Stations of the Cross,

0:53:400:53:42

Marksteen's chosen a site close to the underground station.

0:53:420:53:46

I think it's important that it's out in the public because I don't

0:53:490:53:53

want it to be seen as a church project or an institution project.

0:53:530:53:57

This is about the people getting together

0:53:570:53:59

and doing something special,

0:53:590:54:01

so it has to belong to the people,

0:54:010:54:03

which is why it's going to be outdoors.

0:54:030:54:05

I really like the way that you're tidying up the edges!

0:54:050:54:07

I'm only doing it because you're here.

0:54:070:54:09

-If you weren't here...

-You'd be slapping it on, wouldn't you?

0:54:090:54:12

HE LAUGHS

0:54:120:54:15

Hopefully, this will start to open people's eyes to how we can

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help and how we can make a difference.

0:54:190:54:21

Well, I just would say he's in trouble of some kind.

0:54:250:54:29

It's a provoking poster. Trying to get a debate.

0:54:300:54:33

I dunno, it reminded me of Jesus for a minute

0:54:330:54:36

because of the barbed wire...

0:54:360:54:38

Thanks, buddy. I really appreciate it. It looks really good.

0:54:380:54:42

He has got glue on his hands.

0:54:420:54:44

Church activity shouldn't be in church.

0:54:450:54:47

It should be out of church, in the community,

0:54:470:54:50

and it's the right thing to do.

0:54:500:54:51

Being cosy, inside a church,

0:54:510:54:53

and being quite inward is the wrong thing to do.

0:54:530:54:57

And this is definitely one way of getting something out there

0:54:570:55:00

that people can connect with and understand,

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regardless of their faith.

0:55:020:55:04

I think Christianity is radical

0:55:070:55:09

and it should be political as well, sometimes.

0:55:090:55:12

Um... I think, for too long, the church has been seen,

0:55:120:55:16

and sometimes acted,

0:55:160:55:17

as an institution which meets for an hour on a Sunday

0:55:170:55:21

and you don't really hear or see of in the rest of the week,

0:55:210:55:24

but I don't think that's what the church was ever intended to be.

0:55:240:55:27

Most agree that the Christianity many of us grew up with

0:55:300:55:34

in this country is disappearing.

0:55:340:55:36

Of course, the churches will still continue their decline,

0:55:360:55:39

but it's not the end of the story

0:55:390:55:41

and there is still a lot more that could be done.

0:55:410:55:44

New expressions of faith are replacing old traditions.

0:55:440:55:48

There is a renewed spirit of hope,

0:55:480:55:52

not in our own abilities, but in the work and presence of God among us.

0:55:520:55:57

After all I've seen, I'm optimistic about the future.

0:55:580:56:02

For 2,000 years, Christianity has survived

0:56:020:56:05

and adapted to its changing surroundings

0:56:050:56:08

and that's what's happening again, right now.

0:56:080:56:10

I think the phrase "a quiet revolution" is a very good way

0:56:130:56:16

of describing British Christianity.

0:56:160:56:18

The Christianity that's emerging is more diverse.

0:56:200:56:23

There are Christians who are liberal and others who are not.

0:56:230:56:27

HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE

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Christians from overseas...

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APPLAUSE

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..joining Christians closer to home.

0:56:350:56:37

I think it's going to be harder to define,

0:56:370:56:39

it will be more diverse, and perhaps it's going to be more interesting.

0:56:390:56:43

I believe we're going to see and hear a lot more

0:56:430:56:45

about Christianity than we have done in Britain for quite some time.

0:56:450:56:50

If you thought you could ignore the faith, and its believers,

0:56:500:56:53

those days are probably long gone.

0:56:530:56:55

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