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From the dawn of time, men and women have felt the need to worship.

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To make sense of life and what lies beyond.

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To find a purpose and to bring a shape to human existence.

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Women have always been at the heart of our relationship with the divine.

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But this part of our history is often hidden.

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If you leave out Jesus and the Apostle Paul,

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it's perfectly possible to tell the story of early Christianity

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without ever mentioning a man.

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I think the wives of the Prophet would be quite shocked

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if they saw many Muslim-majority countries today.

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For thousands of years, all over the world,

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religion has shaped the lives of billions.

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This is why I want to go back,

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to uncover the remarkable and neglected stories

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of women and religion.

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Their stories can unlock a secret history of the world.

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It's not the male God who created this universe. It's the female.

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I've been back to a world where fearsome goddesses

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had power over life and death.

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Now, I'm travelling to a time

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when real women spoke directly with the gods.

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If you take women out of Greek religion, it's basically empty.

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When the fate of an empire depended on a woman's virginity.

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And I discover the true history of the first Christians.

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She's wearing a vestment that could only be worn by ordained priests.

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I'm going in search of a world

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where priestesses walked hand in hand with the divine.

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In Ancient Greece, there was a goddess of extraordinary power.

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Aphrodite.

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We're used to thinking of Aphrodite

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as a kind of benign patron of romantic love,

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but for the Greeks, she was far more dark and dangerous.

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The mother of the gods, Gaia,

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had grown tired of having sex with her husband, the god of the sky.

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So, in cahoots with her son, she cut off his testicles.

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These were flung into the sea.

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From the seething waters, the goddess Aphrodite emerged.

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She was sex incarnate, with more than a whiff of danger.

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"Shimmering-throned, immortal Aphrodite, daughter of Zeus,

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"enchantress, I implore thee, O goddess,

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"fulfil me in what I yearn to do. Be my ally in all things."

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These words are around 2,700 years old,

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sung by a female poet called Sappho.

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One of the rare images we have of her is from the 5th Century BC,

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200 years after her death.

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She's an elusive figure, but she's one of my heroines,

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because to know Sappho is to enter the charged world

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of worshipping Aphrodite.

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My Sappho trail starts, not in Greece,

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but in a hidden corner of a city here in Britain.

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Throughout the ancient world,

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she was celebrated as one of its greatest poets.

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For centuries, Sappho's poems were lost,

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known only through broken lines

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reproduced in the works of classical writers.

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But today in Oxford,

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scholars are transforming our understanding of Sappho.

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I'm just about to take you somewhere that I really love.

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And I have to say that I'm genuinely excited to be here.

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I don't want to overstate the case, but I think what's hidden up here

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qualifies as the eighth wonder of the ancient world.

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Just over 100 years ago,

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two young classicists from Oxford, Bernard Grenfell and Arthur Hunt,

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came across an ancient rubbish dump

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in an Egyptian city called Oxyrhynchus.

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The rubbish was being used as organic fertiliser by local farmers.

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But Grenfell and Hunt knew that they had struck gold.

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They grabbed what they could and shipped it back to Oxford.

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Now, when you look more closely at what they brought back,

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you can see just why this rubbish is so special.

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There were hundreds and hundreds of these tin boxes,

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and you can see when this one was packed.

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It was March 3rd, 1900.

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Underneath the packing paper here, we have the fragments themselves.

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And these are covered in words.

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Here you've got Egyptian hieroglyphs and Coptic and Arabic

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and Latin, and lines and lines of Ancient Greek.

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This room holds a library of writing that had been lost

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for close on 2,000 years from all over Asia Minor, North Africa

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and the eastern Mediterranean.

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Among the finds being discovered here

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are fragments of Sappho's lost poetry.

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Dirk Obbink is in charge of translating this vast archive.

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Rumour has it, you think you might have come across

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a new fragment of the poet, Sappho.

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Er, yes. This is it, or possibly a new fragment of Sappho.

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It's actually very damaged, isn't it?

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Yes, it's the just the ends of the lines of a poem.

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You can see them here. They have uneven endings.

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And what makes you think this might be Sappho?

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What characteristics has it got?

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It's set out in the form of lyric poems

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and it contains some of the language that Sappho uses elsewhere.

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You can see them here.

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That means flourishing or delighting or revelling

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in beautiful, bright, shiny, nice things.

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And then the reference to dancing.

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I know that sounds a bit tentative,

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but that's how the other fragments were built up,

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out of jigsaw-like puzzle pieces.

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So it's a cumulative process.

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One of the reasons Sappho survives in fragmentary form

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is that across time her work was censored, destroyed,

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considered too hot to handle.

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Her sacred poetry opens up a sensuous, remarkable world.

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To experience this for myself,

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I'm tracing the journey that young girls across the Mediterranean

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made 2,700 years ago to study under Sappho on her island home.

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I should probably admit that I'm a bit of a Sappho addict.

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It's not just because her poems are fragmentary,

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and so it's genuinely exciting when any new lines are found.

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It's also because she writes so lusciously, so exquisitely,

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both about the Greek landscape and about what it is to be human.

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She describes winds caressing soft bodies...

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And, actually, she's the first ever to describe love as bittersweet,

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although she's more accurate, and she talks about it as being sweet

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and then bitter.

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"When I look at you even a moment, I can't speak.

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"My tongue snaps and subtle fire races under my skin."

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Thousands of years after these lines were composed,

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Sappho's legacy lives on.

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It's because of her that we have the words "Sapphic" and "lesbian",

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meaning women's love of women,

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because many of Sappho's poems are addressed to women and girls.

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But, for me, Sappho means so much more.

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She offers a window on to a mysterious world.

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What you have to remember about Ancient Greece

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is that there was no separate word for religion.

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There were gods and goddesses everywhere and in everything -

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in every breath of wind, around every corner -

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and so keeping that supernatural world on-side

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was an immensely important job.

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Sappho reveals how even falling in love was an act of the gods.

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The deity who presided over love was Aphrodite,

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along with her tricky consort, Eros.

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And this holds the key to understanding who Sappho really was.

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Women were believed to be primal creatures,

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closely connected to the elemental, life-giving forces of the earth,

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and so Sappho was well-placed to interpret the will of Aphrodite.

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It seems that through reciting her poetry with young girls,

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Sappho was fulfilling the role of a priestess.

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'Edith Hall studies the lives of the women of Ancient Greece

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'and her research suggests that Sappho was more than simply a poet.'

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We don't know whether she actually ran something like a school

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or whether it was more that she was in charge of rituals at a temple,

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but almost all the poems we've got any substance of,

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any kind of length of, are actually hymns to Aphrodite

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and they're actually ones where they're asking Aphrodite

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to come into the presence of her and other young women.

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So we know that those are designed to be performed in temples,

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which makes it highly likely that she is some kind of priestess.

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Why is it important for people on earth

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to understand Aphrodite's power?

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Well, the Greeks were just a lot less hypocritical than we are

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and they divided up their female gods,

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so when you wanted to attract a lover

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and asked her to give you special allure, you went to Aphrodite.

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Women do seem to have this kind of special relationship with the divine.

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Why is that? What do you think is going on here?

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Women were certainly seen as being much more in touch with the physical self,

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with giving birth and life and with dying.

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Women have a particularly close relationship with Aphrodite.

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In many temple cults, we know there were lots of women servants.

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But there's something about Aphrodite

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which means that women were absolutely regarded as symbolising sex.

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Through her sensuous poetry, Sappho was performing a vital role -

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educating young women about the world ahead of them

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and about the charged power of love.

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In Sappho's day, poetry wasn't written down, but recited,

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accompanied by a lyre and dancing.

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And today, in Sappho's birthplace, the ghosts of these rituals survive.

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Local girls are taught the very steps

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their ancestors would have learnt, close on 3,000 years ago.

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Sappho's sacred poetry seemed to give women a sense of themselves,

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but Ancient Greece was no feminist paradise.

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Women knew their place,

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as was all too apparent 200 years after Sappho

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in the city that gave birth to one of the greatest political experiments of human civilisation.

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You could argue that what happened here in Greece

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gave us the building blocks for Western civilisation -

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a belief in democracy, a belief in freedom of speech

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and a fixed and firm notion

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that women were very definitely second-class citizens.

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Women were often not allowed out during daylight hours.

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Some had their faces completely veiled, few were educated

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and a woman's most celebrated virtue was her silence.

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One popular saying by the poet Semonides described,

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"Her man couldn't stop his wife barking,

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"even after he'd knocked her teeth out with a stone."

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Most histories lionise the glorious achievements of Athens' men.

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But by focusing just on the obvious triumphs, conquests in war

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and monumental buildings, a truer, richer picture is missed.

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Up on the sacred Acropolis rock,

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most tourists head straight for the Parthenon,

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ignoring an overgrown corner that was once home to a group of young girls,

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tasked to serve the Athenian state.

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I've come here with historian Judy Barringer.

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This was the location where the Arrephoroi lived.

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These are young girls who were between the ages of seven and 11,

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who lived here on the Acropolis for a period of time -

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about nine months -

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and there were two to four of these girls.

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And these were from elite, aristocratic families.

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On the brink of puberty,

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these young girls were here to enact a mysterious religious ceremony.

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They had to leave from the Acropolis with some baskets on their heads

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and in these baskets were unseen things,

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things they were forbidden to look at.

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And they had to take them down a staircase to a place near,

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or in, a shrine of Aphrodite in the gardens.

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These are the steps they'd have used?

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These are the very steps they'd walk down. They'd go down here.

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Well, as a mum, my heart goes out to these little girls.

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because we're not going to dare go down those steps,

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-which are pretty steep, and they were doing it, on their own, at night...

-Yes, it's at night.

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Walking down here with their baskets of mysterious goods.

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Which they can't drop and they're not supposed to look into.

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What we hear from ancient sources is what was in the baskets

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were clay models of either fruits or snakes,

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or phalluses, genitalia, or all three.

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And so these were really sacred objects, important things.

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If you say they're walking down here to the shrine of Aphrodite,

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there must be something sexual going on here as well.

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Because they're on the cusp of puberty, aren't they,

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if they're kind of up to age 11, 12?

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Girls married very young in antiquity.

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We think as soon as they had passed puberty,

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as soon as they were menstruating and ready to bear children,

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they would be married.

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Many scholars have seen this as moving from the realm of Athena,

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here on the surface of the Acropolis, down the staircase

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to a shrine of Aphrodite, that is moving from virginity to sexual love

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or preparation for marriage and motherhood, eventually.

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And if it's a rite of passage to marriage,

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then it's extremely important in terms of symbolic fertility.

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These girls were enacting a ritual to safeguard the fertility of the whole society.

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What was at stake was nothing less than the survival of the Athenians themselves.

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Religion gave these young women a vital role.

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And they weren't alone.

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All over Athens, women served as priestesses.

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They were physically the keepers of the keys of huge temples,

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personally wealthy, and their voices, even in the male-only,

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democratic assembly, could be heard.

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Religion made them matter.

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In a world which treated women as worthless,

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priestesses enjoyed high status.

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Life's quite tough for women,

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so do you think this is kind of one moment

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where it becomes more bearable and more than that,

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where they really do have some kind of power and control?

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They certainly do have power and control in religion.

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If you take women out of Greek religion, it's basically empty.

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They are really central in virtually every aspect of Greek religion,

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from ritual to the goddesses themselves.

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My next destination is a place where a group of women

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were considered so sacred, the fate of a civilisation depended on them.

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The Romans aped Greek art, Greek ideas, Greek gods.

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Aphrodite became Venus.

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Zeus, Jupiter.

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Rome did everything Greece did to the power of X.

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Mighty Rome also permitted the influence of women in the religious sphere

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and one story in particular reveals an intriguing insight

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into how Rome viewed its women.

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The Roman Forum was once the political and religious centre of the Eternal City.

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Here, right in the heart of ancient Rome,

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there was a religious institution

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that the Romans believed pre-dated even Romulus and Remus.

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Its initiates were thought to be responsible

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for the security of the city itself.

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And each and every one of them was a woman.

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Their cult was said to have lasted for over 1,000 years.

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They were six priestesses, known as the Vestal Virgins.

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The criteria for becoming a Vestal was very strict.

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Only prime specimens would pass the test.

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The highest-ranking priest in Rome, the Pontifex Maximus,

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selected the girls between the ages of six and ten.

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They had to be of noble birth, both their parents had to be alive

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and they had to be free of any kind of mental or physical deformity.

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But the key condition that they had to agree to

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for at least the next 30 years was to remain virgins.

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And every day of their service,

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each of the girls was to wear a wedding dress.

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Free from any male guardianship,

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they became the brides of Rome itself.

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To find out about their extraordinary lives,

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I've come to the remains of the extremely grand villa where the Vestals once lived

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to meet Corey Brennan from the American Academy in Rome.

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In a weird way, the individual Vestals were the embodiment of the Roman state

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and they had no family. They were totally on their own.

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This was unique for women. No-one owned them.

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But, on the other hand, all eyes were on them, as well.

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And how far would these lives bear any relation

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to the lives of ordinary women in Rome?

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For ordinary women, there could not be more of a gulf.

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If you were going to a gladiatorial game at the Coliseum,

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where you would see the Vestal Virgins is in the front rows.

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Where the other women would be would be at the top tier,

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in the nosebleed section with the slaves.

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So there's an enormous, enormous gap between the Vestal Virgins

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and ordinary women.

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Right next to the house of the Vestals

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was the temple of the goddess they served.

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Her name was Vesta,

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and she was the deity in charge of the hearth and of fire.

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And the single most important duty of the Vestals

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was to keep her sacred fire alive.

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The Romans believed that if the sacred fire kept burning,

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then Rome would survive.

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And the fire of Rome holds the key

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to why the Vestals had to be virgins.

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Why was this virginity so important?

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I mean, for the people of Rome, what did their virginity represent?

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The virginity goes part and parcel with a larger idea of perfection.

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Their purity resembled, or mirrored, the purity of the flame itself.

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They have to remain virgins, in a way,

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because they really had to keep the fire going at all times.

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Any distraction whatsoever from this very important work

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was too great to risk.

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So the whole idea of having sexual liaisons

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or really any sort of non-prescribed activity,

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all of this was a danger to the flame that represented a continuity

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and safety of the Roman state.

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The Vestals' virginity, their capacity to create life,

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stored and held back, was the potent force which fuelled Vesta's flame.

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The Vestals, arguably, had the most important job in Rome.

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But status came at a price.

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They lived on a knife-edge.

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For the crime of allowing the fire to go out,

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a Vestal would be taken to a dark room by the Pontifex Maximus,

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where she'd be stripped and beaten.

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But there is another crime that carried an even greater punishment.

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If the Vestals lost their virginity,

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then they were no longer able to protect Rome,

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and that deserved more than just a beating.

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Ancient historians Cicero and Asconius tell us

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that in 114 BC, not one, but three Vestals were accused of the crime of incestum -

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losing their precious virginity.

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Their names were Marcia, Aemelia and Licinia.

0:25:490:25:54

A slave who worked for the Vestals

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let slip that the three were no longer virgins.

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Marcia, he said, had taken just one lover.

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But the other two had slept with many men,

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including one another's brothers.

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There were even rumours of group sex.

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But it was only Marcia who was found guilty and condemned to death.

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And the way she was killed is the stuff of nightmares.

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To harm a Vestal was to threaten the very existence of Rome...

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..and so an elaborate, chilling method of disposal was devised

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to free the city and its occupants from blame.

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Marcia was dressed in her funerary clothes

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and her hands and her feet were bound.

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She was put into a sedan chair and carried through the streets of Rome

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with family and priests either side, as if they were going to her burial.

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But, of course, at this point, Marcia was still alive.

0:27:110:27:14

After being paraded before the citizens of Rome,

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the funeral procession arrived at the entrance to an underground tomb.

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With her hands still tied, the Pontifex Maximus himself led her in.

0:27:320:27:36

When she reached the ladder at the entrance to the tomb,

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all the priests present turned their back on her.

0:27:400:27:42

Once she reached the bottom, the ladder was taken away

0:27:530:27:56

and the entrance to the tomb was sealed.

0:27:560:27:58

She was left on her own with a lighted lamp, her blankets,

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a little bit of water and some bread, milk and oil.

0:28:090:28:13

Marcia was left to face her fate alone.

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Some say the food was left as a gift for the goddess, Vesta,

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or as a final act of kindness.

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But, actually, it was just a pretence.

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It was a way the Romans could convince themselves

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that they didn't have the blood of a Vestal on their hands.

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Whereas, in fact, of course,

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they'd left her to a lonely, lingering death.

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One of the sad facts of life, or sad facts of death in this case,

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is that the execution of Vestals lines up pretty closely

0:29:050:29:08

with Rome's great military disasters.

0:29:080:29:10

Roman forces lose in the field, something horrible must have happened

0:29:100:29:14

in the relationship between the Roman Empire and the gods.

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And so who's to blame?

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Vestals were the first folks to get fingers pointed at them.

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They were scapegoating, for want of a better word.

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You could argue that the sacred nature of the Vestals' lives

0:29:440:29:47

paid them the ultimate honour,

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but their story's also a gruesome example

0:29:500:29:53

of how controlling and brutal ideas about a woman's sexuality could be.

0:29:530:29:59

These women may have carried the fate of Rome in their hands,

0:29:590:30:02

but men still held their lives by a thread.

0:30:020:30:06

In Ancient Rome, religion gave a select group of women

0:30:150:30:18

a key role as priestesses...

0:30:180:30:21

..at the price of their freedom.

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But a new faith was about to appear,

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which would offer all female followers a radically new lifestyle.

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By the fourth century AD, Christianity would become

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the official religion of the Roman Empire.

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Unlike the religions of Ancient Greece and Rome,

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there was room for only one deity in this new faith,

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and He was very definitely male.

0:31:010:31:04

There's long been an underlying assumption

0:31:100:31:13

that to be a true representative of the Christian God,

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you really need to be a man.

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In the Church of England and across the world,

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the issue of whether women should be bishops has caused turmoil,

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and most Catholics believe that women shouldn't even be priests.

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Amongst them is Catholic writer and broadcaster Joanna Bogle.

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God became incarnate as a man. That's not an accident.

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Christ was born and grew up in a world

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where every religion had priestesses.

0:31:450:31:47

He knew what he was doing. He's Almighty God.

0:31:470:31:49

This was the plan from the beginning, that men would be priests.

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Priests are there to serve the Church,

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but it's not a question of allowing women to be priests.

0:31:550:31:58

It's in the nature of woman that she has another task to do.

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So God loves you, He just doesn't want you to give the sacred Eucharist?

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I could if I needed to distribute Holy Communion, but no.

0:32:050:32:09

A priest in the person of Christ, who was male,

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will preside saying, "This is my body".

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And I think that's very profound.

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So you think for the future of the Church,

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it's entirely appropriate that there are no female priests,

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there are no female bishops?

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It's not that we MAY not, we CANNOT have them.

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That's a bit like saying, "What a pity men can't give birth."

0:32:270:32:30

There are not going to be, there cannot be women priests.

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It's not in the nature of womanhood. That's the deal.

0:32:350:32:39

That's the deal.

0:32:390:32:40

I have to admit that I find Joanna's position hard to accept.

0:32:470:32:50

But she reflects the views of no lesser an authority

0:32:500:32:54

than the Pope himself.

0:32:540:32:55

In 2010, the Vatican declared that to ordain a woman was a serious crime.

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Now that seems to me to be very shocking,

0:33:050:33:08

but, also as a historian, it's just rather odd,

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because if you investigate the foundations of Christianity,

0:33:110:33:14

they tell a very different story.

0:33:140:33:17

I'm going to travel back to those crucial first few centuries.

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To the time when this new faith was merely a splinter group

0:33:270:33:30

from the existing religion of Judaism.

0:33:300:33:33

The new movement, the Christ cult,

0:33:400:33:43

had a vigorous champion, the convert, Paul.

0:33:430:33:47

It was Paul who took this fledgling Jewish movement

0:33:470:33:50

and opened it up to non-Jews.

0:33:500:33:52

He made it his mission to spread the new faith

0:33:520:33:55

right across the Roman Empire and, as he did so,

0:33:550:33:59

he carried with him one particular message

0:33:590:34:02

that had huge impact in its time,

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but is often underplayed or forgotten today.

0:34:040:34:07

I'm heading to one of the places where this message was first declared.

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The ancient Greek city of Corinth once had a bustling port

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and was one of the main hubs of the Roman Empire.

0:34:270:34:30

It was to the people of Corinth that Paul directed his most famous teachings -

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what would become crucial passages in the New Testament.

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His first letter to the Corinthians contains some troubling lines.

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"What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that time is short.

0:34:450:34:49

"For this world in its present form is passing away."

0:34:490:34:54

Paul's message was stark and unforgettable.

0:34:540:34:58

What he was saying was that soon, the world was going to end.

0:34:580:35:04

The early followers of Christ were told that they were living in the end of days.

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And so for them, earthly matters were no longer a concern.

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What this meant for women was nothing short of remarkable.

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There's an early Christian text that you won't find anywhere in the Bible,

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but that is a vital bit of historical evidence.

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It's called the Acts of Paul and Thecla.

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Scholars believe this text was written in the second century AD.

0:35:500:35:53

Later Church leaders decided that the contents

0:35:560:35:59

of this Christian narrative were not suitable for the Bible.

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It describes how one day in the first century AD,

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Paul was preaching to a group of people in a town called Iconium,

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in what's now modern-day Turkey.

0:36:110:36:13

The key character of our story wasn't allowed out onto the streets,

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so we find her eavesdropping at the window of a nearby house.

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She was a young girl, only around 13 or so, and her name was Thecla.

0:36:230:36:29

Thecla was betrothed to a man called Thamyris,

0:36:310:36:35

but she was about to do something radical.

0:36:350:36:38

Thecla listened intently while Paul dropped his bombshell.

0:36:380:36:43

"Forget the traditions of the past" he said.

0:36:430:36:46

"Give up your ideas of marriage and children, because the end is nigh."

0:36:460:36:51

For three days and nights, she sat transfixed at her window,

0:36:540:36:58

absorbing everything she heard.

0:36:580:37:00

And then she committed the ultimate act of rebellion.

0:37:000:37:05

She hurried through the house to break the news to her mother.

0:37:050:37:08

She wasn't going to marry.

0:37:080:37:10

Instead, she was going to stay a virgin.

0:37:100:37:13

She would leave home and follow Paul and his incendiary words.

0:37:130:37:18

Thecla's mother was, of course, horrified.

0:37:220:37:25

This broke with centuries, if not millennia, of tradition.

0:37:250:37:29

And you can gauge the scale of her outrage from her reaction.

0:37:290:37:33

We're told that she cried out, "Burn the lawless one!

0:37:330:37:38

"Burn her that is no bride,

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"so that all the women who've been taught by this man may be afraid."

0:37:410:37:46

Thecla ran.

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She hit the road with Paul.

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With her hair cut short and wearing boys' clothes,

0:38:020:38:06

she travelled with him everywhere.

0:38:060:38:08

She abandoned everything she'd known for this new religion.

0:38:110:38:15

What can the Acts of Paul and Thecla tell us

0:38:180:38:20

about the role of women at the beginning of Christianity?

0:38:200:38:23

To find out, I've come to one of the premiere cities in the ancient world

0:38:300:38:35

A place visited by Paul.

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'I think Thecla was really an image

0:38:430:38:47

'of what it was to really listen to the word of God.'

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Kate Cooper is a leading authority on the role of women in the early Church.

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The thing is, ancient people are burdened by the need

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to constantly be worrying about keeping the birth rate up,

0:39:070:39:11

so every generation has got to reproduce itself,

0:39:110:39:15

and in that sense, the idea that the world is ending,

0:39:150:39:18

and that you don't HAVE to keep the population up,

0:39:180:39:22

opens a whole horizon of liberated energy

0:39:220:39:27

-for people to think about other things.

-Amazing.

0:39:270:39:30

So they don't have the pressure to bear children the whole time?

0:39:300:39:34

Exactly! And think about how that influences women's positions.

0:39:340:39:37

What does that mean for the ordinary Christian woman

0:39:390:39:41

on the street in the first or second century AD?

0:39:410:39:44

Well, one of the things that's really interesting

0:39:440:39:47

is there's a lot of evidence that women played a different kind of role

0:39:470:39:51

in the early Christian communities.

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That they were seen as equal sharers in the job of preaching and teaching.

0:39:530:40:00

In a way, it offered them a kind of opportunity

0:40:000:40:03

that may not have been available to them

0:40:030:40:06

in other religious communities.

0:40:060:40:08

Without the pressure to have sex, women's lives were transformed.

0:40:100:40:14

Now they could be guardians, not just of sexual, but of divine love.

0:40:140:40:19

Of course, Paul was wrong about the Apocalypse.

0:40:200:40:23

The world didn't end,

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and Christians quietly abandoned the belief that it would.

0:40:250:40:28

Women instead started to look to the future,

0:40:330:40:35

hosting prayer meetings in their homes

0:40:350:40:38

and financially supporting the new movement.

0:40:380:40:41

In the first two centuries of Christianity,

0:40:410:40:44

at least 50% of the churches in Rome were founded by women.

0:40:440:40:48

And although we're now used to Christian worship

0:40:480:40:52

being led by male priests and bishops,

0:40:520:40:55

there's evidence to suggest the picture was once very different.

0:40:550:40:59

Hidden beneath the streets of Rome lies an intricate labyrinth of tunnels,

0:41:150:41:20

known as the Catacombs of St Priscilla.

0:41:200:41:22

They date to between the second and fourth centuries AD,

0:41:260:41:30

when to be a Christian in Rome was to be a criminal.

0:41:300:41:34

Down here lies a neglected piece of early Christian history.

0:41:390:41:43

This is where Christians were brought to be buried

0:41:460:41:48

and where they came when they were being persecuted.

0:41:480:41:51

The catacombs were carved out of the bare rock.

0:41:550:41:58

You can still see all the pickaxe marks on the ceilings and the walls.

0:41:580:42:03

It's almost as if you're being transported back

0:42:030:42:06

to the very moment of Christianity's inception.

0:42:060:42:09

This was only discovered a few years ago,

0:42:140:42:16

and it dates from the second century AD,

0:42:160:42:18

which makes it the oldest surviving image anywhere in the world

0:42:180:42:22

of the Virgin Mary and Jesus.

0:42:220:42:25

And that's what's so fantastic about coming down here,

0:42:250:42:27

because you're absolutely up, face to face,

0:42:270:42:30

with the very earliest days of Christianity.

0:42:300:42:33

But what I find especially fascinating about these tunnels

0:42:380:42:41

is what they tell us about the role of women.

0:42:410:42:44

In one corner, we find an image detailing what appears to be

0:42:460:42:49

women presiding over a religious ritual,

0:42:490:42:52

what today we might recognise as the Eucharist or Holy Communion.

0:42:520:42:57

In another alcove

0:42:590:43:01

is an image which some people would consider incendiary.

0:43:010:43:05

There are two things that strike you about this particular painting.

0:43:070:43:10

The obvious one is that the scene is dominated by a figure of a woman.

0:43:100:43:15

But then just have a look at this little group of three in the corner.

0:43:150:43:19

There's a bishop,

0:43:190:43:21

and he's got his hand on the shoulder of a woman.

0:43:210:43:24

Now, she's wearing a piece of white cloth called an alb

0:43:240:43:28

and that was a vestment that could only be worn by ordained priests.

0:43:280:43:33

All over this subterranean world there are images

0:43:370:43:40

of not just men leading worship, but women.

0:43:400:43:44

Being here, it appears to me

0:43:470:43:49

that the early Christians had an inclusive, egalitarian take

0:43:490:43:52

on who should lead their faith.

0:43:520:43:55

A view at odds with that of many Christians today.

0:43:570:44:00

Questo e il mio corpo offerto in sacrificio per voi.

0:44:020:44:08

Father Scott Brodeur is a Catholic priest and respected theologian

0:44:120:44:15

at the prestigious Gregorian University in Rome.

0:44:150:44:19

He prepares men for the priesthood.

0:44:210:44:23

He believes that key evidence

0:44:250:44:27

about the role women should play in the Church

0:44:270:44:30

can be found in the Bible itself,

0:44:300:44:33

in a letter St Paul wrote to the citizens of Rome.

0:44:330:44:37

And what he has to say may come as a surprise to some.

0:44:380:44:42

St Paul in... May I read this verse?

0:44:420:44:45

..in the Letter To The Romans, Chapter 16, Verse 1,

0:44:450:44:49

St Paul is writing, of course, and he says,

0:44:490:44:51

"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church at Cenchrea."

0:44:510:44:56

And Paul, by sending her to Rome, is saying,

0:44:560:45:01

"Look at this extraordinary woman and I'm sending you one of our best

0:45:010:45:05

"and because I trust her,

0:45:050:45:07

"she's going to interpret this letter for you.

0:45:070:45:10

"So if you have any questions, ask Phoebe."

0:45:100:45:14

It is significant that, because that's pretty much

0:45:140:45:17

the most important job that you can give someone -

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to ask Phoebe to take the teachings of Christ,

0:45:190:45:22

the message of Jesus, to Rome, to the centre of the Roman world.

0:45:220:45:26

Absolutely. Paul is so aware of the importance of this letter.

0:45:260:45:32

So she has a crucial role.

0:45:320:45:34

So do you think he's consciously making a point by choosing a woman?

0:45:340:45:38

Absolutely. The entire Letter To The Romans is about

0:45:380:45:42

that there is now this common equality among us,

0:45:420:45:45

that we all share the same value and worth.

0:45:450:45:47

It's interesting though, isn't it?

0:45:520:45:55

It's not the commonly held opinion. When you talk to people, they say,

0:45:550:45:58

"Oh, you know, Christianity just caused terrible problems for women."

0:45:580:46:02

Precisely. Or that St Paul was very much anti-women or so forth,

0:46:020:46:06

but nothing could be further from the truth.

0:46:060:46:08

Women were essential in the early Church.

0:46:090:46:12

Even the Bible itself suggests

0:46:140:46:15

that in the first few centuries of Christianity,

0:46:150:46:19

women played similar roles to men.

0:46:190:46:22

But there were clearly some who were troubled by this state of affairs.

0:46:230:46:29

Evidence of a centuries-old struggle

0:46:350:46:37

can be found in the church of Santa Prassede.

0:46:370:46:41

In a side chapel here, which is normally very dark,

0:46:490:46:53

there's a tantalising bit of evidence.

0:46:530:46:56

On this mosaic, you've got images of four women.

0:46:580:47:02

There's the Virgin Mary, very obviously, in the middle there

0:47:020:47:05

and on either side of her there are two saints.

0:47:050:47:07

But then this woman on the left is really intriguing.

0:47:070:47:10

She's been given this strange blue halo,

0:47:110:47:14

which tells us she was actually alive when the mosaic was made.

0:47:140:47:18

And her title is written above - Episcopa.

0:47:180:47:22

Now, Episcopa is the female version of Episcopus,

0:47:220:47:25

the Latin for a bishop.

0:47:250:47:27

Look at her name, though, down the side.

0:47:270:47:29

She's obviously a woman, so she'd be called Theodora,

0:47:290:47:33

but somebody's tampered with the mosaic.

0:47:330:47:37

They've put some new gold mosaic at the end,

0:47:370:47:39

so she's no longer "Theodora", but "Theodo",

0:47:390:47:42

so she could almost be a man.

0:47:420:47:44

It's almost as if somebody is trying to pretend

0:47:470:47:50

there were no female bishops here in Rome.

0:47:500:47:53

Time and time again, we find that women

0:47:550:47:59

are not properly represented in Christianity's history.

0:47:590:48:02

The story of Thecla isn't found in the Bible.

0:48:020:48:06

The evidence from the catacombs

0:48:070:48:10

of women leading worship is disregarded.

0:48:100:48:14

And there are no churches or cathedrals

0:48:140:48:16

dedicated to female priests or bishops.

0:48:160:48:20

If women were once so crucial, when did it all go wrong?

0:48:200:48:24

Christianity may have begun by championing women,

0:48:440:48:47

but not everyone was happy with this situation.

0:48:470:48:50

Many eminent theologians were deeply uncomfortable

0:48:500:48:55

with women taking such a prominent position.

0:48:550:48:58

How dare women presume they could play a leading role

0:48:590:49:02

when their very essence was an affront to God?

0:49:020:49:06

One Christian, Clement of Alexandria,

0:49:060:49:08

wrote in the 3rd Century AD,

0:49:080:49:10

"The very consciousness of their own nature

0:49:100:49:13

"must evoke feelings of shame."

0:49:130:49:15

And another said that women were not created in God's image,

0:49:150:49:19

but instead they destroyed God's image.

0:49:190:49:24

But there would be one man

0:49:270:49:29

whose glittering intellect and powers of persuasion

0:49:290:49:32

would make this hotchpotch of women-hating bile stick.

0:49:320:49:36

I've come to the place where, for him, it all started.

0:49:490:49:53

Beneath Milan's cathedral lie the ruins of a 4th-century baptistry.

0:50:100:50:15

It's where people once came to be baptised into the Christian faith.

0:50:150:50:20

What happened here was perhaps

0:50:240:50:26

one of the most critical developments in Christian history.

0:50:260:50:29

Here, in 387 AD, a man called Augustine became a Christian.

0:50:300:50:36

And he'd go on to be one of the most brilliant

0:50:380:50:40

Christian theologians of all time,

0:50:400:50:42

but his attitudes would cause trouble for women

0:50:420:50:46

for the next 1,700 years.

0:50:460:50:49

We know an awful lot about Augustine's life,

0:50:550:50:57

thanks to his detailed autobiography, his Confessions.

0:50:570:51:01

Augustine tells us that in his younger days,

0:51:150:51:17

he was obsessed with sex and that, as a teenager,

0:51:170:51:21

he spent every waking hour hungry with desire.

0:51:210:51:25

"To love and to be loved was sweet to me,

0:51:260:51:30

"particularly when I enjoyed the body of the one I desired.

0:51:300:51:33

"And so I polluted the spring of friendship

0:51:330:51:36

"with the filth of concupiscence and I dimmed its lustre

0:51:360:51:40

"with the slime of lust."

0:51:400:51:43

But after becoming a Christian,

0:51:470:51:49

Augustine embraced a life of celibacy.

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His preoccupation with sex, however, was far from over.

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He'd go on to develop a theory

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which would shape how humanity viewed itself.

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It was a theory so powerful,

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we're still living with its consequences today.

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Augustine developed the concept of original sin.

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He believed that the crimes committed by Adam and Eve

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in the Garden of Eden, when they ate the forbidden fruit,

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would be perpetuated down the generations,

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thanks to the act of sex.

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In other words, when any of us are born,

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we're already creatures infused with sin to the very core of our being.

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Women, in particular, come out of this very badly.

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Carved into the wall of Milan's cathedral

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is the moment when Augustine believed

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it all went wrong for humanity.

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It was Eve who'd encouraged Adam to sin.

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Eve becomes an archetype for all women, weak and easily fooled,

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but also a temptress who leads men astray.

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Rather than eroticism and sexual desire

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being considered a gift of the gods as they were in the classical world,

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now these things were thought of as unremittingly dark and sinful -

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a betrayal of God himself.

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Sex was the work of the devil and women were his agents.

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It fed into a growing notion

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that women weren't worthy representatives of God.

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And over the centuries, this belief

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became so pervasive that eventually history was rewritten.

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Today, there are many who believe that Christian women

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never did play an equal role to men.

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-Augustine is massively influential in the 4th Century AD.

-Yes.

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Some would argue that up until the point that his ideas of original sin

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become part of the living tradition of the Church,

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actually women have a better deal before then

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and after that, there is a lot of trouble for women.

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Well, they're quite wrong to do so.

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Augustine simply said what the Church taught.

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It's not a shift. His understanding of original sin was very, very much

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what the earlier Church fathers had been saying.

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But why did so many, then, in early Christianity,

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in the first, second, third, fourth centuries AD,

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manage to misinterpret Jesus' teachings so spectacularly?

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Because there definitely were female priests in the early Church.

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There weren't so many. They didn't misinterpret it. No.

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The Church has been run for 2,000 years and she does know her history.

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From all the evidence I've seen,

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I have to disagree with Joanna on Christian history,

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but, of course, she's right -

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men and women don't have equal roles today.

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You've spent your life studying the teachings of Jesus.

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Do you think he would have wanted to have seen a Church develop

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where women played a key role?

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The early disciples of Jesus were both men and women.

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There was a very special, important group of women

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who closely followed him all through his public ministry

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in an important role of service to him and I do think that's important

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for the Church in every age, including ours.

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I can imagine that for liberal Catholics like Father Scott,

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it must be difficult reconciling what they see

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as the correct interpretation of the Bible

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with the position that their Church now holds.

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As the Church grew,

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the freedoms initially open to women were crushed.

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At the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD,

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the fate of priestesses was in the balance.

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Because Christianity now had not just a faith,

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but a massive territory to call its own,

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there was a compulsion to tidy things up,

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to sort out the new Church

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and the Council made all kinds of key decisions.

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The council proposed that those women,

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who for centuries had played a vital role in the Church,

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should now be considered laity and not to be ordained.

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Women were being pushed to the margins

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right across the spiritual landscape.

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Two generations after the Council Of Nicaea,

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they received the killer blow.

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In 394 AD, the Christian Emperor, Theodosius I,

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ordered the end of all pagan worship.

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Temples were closed or pulled down,

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the old gods and goddesses were declared officially extinct

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and the flames of the Vesta,

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which had been kept alive for over 1,000 years by the Vestal Virgins,

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were finally put out.

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For millennia, women had walked hand in hand with the divine.

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For some, this privilege had cost them their lives.

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For many more, it had brought status, authority and respect.

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But now, for better or for worse,

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the age of the priestess had come to an end.

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But the story of divine women wasn't over.

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Drawing on the power of the written word,

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indomitable women would fight back to become Queen Of Heaven,

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Empress On Earth, to found a new faith

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and transform a great civilisation.

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