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From the dawn of time, men and women have felt the need to worship. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
To make sense of life and what lies beyond. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
To find a purpose and to bring a shape to human existence. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
Women have always been at the heart of our relationship with the divine. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
But this part of our history is often hidden. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
If you leave out Jesus and the Apostle Paul, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
it's perfectly possible to tell the story of early Christianity | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
without ever mentioning a man. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
I think the wives of the Prophet would be quite shocked | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
if they saw many Muslim-majority countries today. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
For thousands of years, all over the world, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
religion has shaped the lives of billions. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
This is why I want to go back, | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
to uncover the remarkable and neglected stories | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
of women and religion. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
Their stories can unlock a secret history of the world. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
It's not the male God who created this universe. It's the female. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
I've been back to a world where fearsome goddesses | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
had power over life and death. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
Now, I'm travelling to a time | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
when real women spoke directly with the gods. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
If you take women out of Greek religion, it's basically empty. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
When the fate of an empire depended on a woman's virginity. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
And I discover the true history of the first Christians. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
She's wearing a vestment that could only be worn by ordained priests. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
I'm going in search of a world | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
where priestesses walked hand in hand with the divine. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
In Ancient Greece, there was a goddess of extraordinary power. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:11 | |
Aphrodite. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
We're used to thinking of Aphrodite | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
as a kind of benign patron of romantic love, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
but for the Greeks, she was far more dark and dangerous. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
The mother of the gods, Gaia, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
had grown tired of having sex with her husband, the god of the sky. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
So, in cahoots with her son, she cut off his testicles. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
These were flung into the sea. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
From the seething waters, the goddess Aphrodite emerged. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
She was sex incarnate, with more than a whiff of danger. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
"Shimmering-throned, immortal Aphrodite, daughter of Zeus, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
"enchantress, I implore thee, O goddess, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
"fulfil me in what I yearn to do. Be my ally in all things." | 0:03:23 | 0:03:29 | |
These words are around 2,700 years old, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
sung by a female poet called Sappho. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
One of the rare images we have of her is from the 5th Century BC, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
200 years after her death. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:45 | |
She's an elusive figure, but she's one of my heroines, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
because to know Sappho is to enter the charged world | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
of worshipping Aphrodite. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
My Sappho trail starts, not in Greece, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
but in a hidden corner of a city here in Britain. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
Throughout the ancient world, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
she was celebrated as one of its greatest poets. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
For centuries, Sappho's poems were lost, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
known only through broken lines | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
reproduced in the works of classical writers. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
But today in Oxford, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
scholars are transforming our understanding of Sappho. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
I'm just about to take you somewhere that I really love. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
And I have to say that I'm genuinely excited to be here. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
I don't want to overstate the case, but I think what's hidden up here | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
qualifies as the eighth wonder of the ancient world. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
Just over 100 years ago, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
two young classicists from Oxford, Bernard Grenfell and Arthur Hunt, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
came across an ancient rubbish dump | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
in an Egyptian city called Oxyrhynchus. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
The rubbish was being used as organic fertiliser by local farmers. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:23 | |
But Grenfell and Hunt knew that they had struck gold. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
They grabbed what they could and shipped it back to Oxford. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
Now, when you look more closely at what they brought back, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
you can see just why this rubbish is so special. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
There were hundreds and hundreds of these tin boxes, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
and you can see when this one was packed. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
It was March 3rd, 1900. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
Underneath the packing paper here, we have the fragments themselves. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:57 | |
And these are covered in words. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
Here you've got Egyptian hieroglyphs and Coptic and Arabic | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
and Latin, and lines and lines of Ancient Greek. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
This room holds a library of writing that had been lost | 0:06:11 | 0:06:16 | |
for close on 2,000 years from all over Asia Minor, North Africa | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
and the eastern Mediterranean. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
Among the finds being discovered here | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
are fragments of Sappho's lost poetry. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
Dirk Obbink is in charge of translating this vast archive. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
Rumour has it, you think you might have come across | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
a new fragment of the poet, Sappho. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
Er, yes. This is it, or possibly a new fragment of Sappho. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:48 | |
It's actually very damaged, isn't it? | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Yes, it's the just the ends of the lines of a poem. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
You can see them here. They have uneven endings. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
And what makes you think this might be Sappho? | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
What characteristics has it got? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
It's set out in the form of lyric poems | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
and it contains some of the language that Sappho uses elsewhere. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
You can see them here. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
That means flourishing or delighting or revelling | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
in beautiful, bright, shiny, nice things. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
And then the reference to dancing. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
I know that sounds a bit tentative, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
but that's how the other fragments were built up, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
out of jigsaw-like puzzle pieces. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
So it's a cumulative process. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
One of the reasons Sappho survives in fragmentary form | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
is that across time her work was censored, destroyed, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
considered too hot to handle. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
Her sacred poetry opens up a sensuous, remarkable world. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:50 | |
To experience this for myself, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
I'm tracing the journey that young girls across the Mediterranean | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
made 2,700 years ago to study under Sappho on her island home. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
I should probably admit that I'm a bit of a Sappho addict. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
It's not just because her poems are fragmentary, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
and so it's genuinely exciting when any new lines are found. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
It's also because she writes so lusciously, so exquisitely, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
both about the Greek landscape and about what it is to be human. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
She describes winds caressing soft bodies... | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
And, actually, she's the first ever to describe love as bittersweet, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
although she's more accurate, and she talks about it as being sweet | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
and then bitter. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
"When I look at you even a moment, I can't speak. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
"My tongue snaps and subtle fire races under my skin." | 0:09:07 | 0:09:13 | |
Thousands of years after these lines were composed, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
Sappho's legacy lives on. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
It's because of her that we have the words "Sapphic" and "lesbian", | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
meaning women's love of women, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
because many of Sappho's poems are addressed to women and girls. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
But, for me, Sappho means so much more. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
She offers a window on to a mysterious world. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
What you have to remember about Ancient Greece | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
is that there was no separate word for religion. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
There were gods and goddesses everywhere and in everything - | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
in every breath of wind, around every corner - | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
and so keeping that supernatural world on-side | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
was an immensely important job. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
Sappho reveals how even falling in love was an act of the gods. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:16 | |
The deity who presided over love was Aphrodite, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
along with her tricky consort, Eros. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
And this holds the key to understanding who Sappho really was. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
Women were believed to be primal creatures, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
closely connected to the elemental, life-giving forces of the earth, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
and so Sappho was well-placed to interpret the will of Aphrodite. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
It seems that through reciting her poetry with young girls, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
Sappho was fulfilling the role of a priestess. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
'Edith Hall studies the lives of the women of Ancient Greece | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
'and her research suggests that Sappho was more than simply a poet.' | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
We don't know whether she actually ran something like a school | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
or whether it was more that she was in charge of rituals at a temple, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
but almost all the poems we've got any substance of, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
any kind of length of, are actually hymns to Aphrodite | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
and they're actually ones where they're asking Aphrodite | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
to come into the presence of her and other young women. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
So we know that those are designed to be performed in temples, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
which makes it highly likely that she is some kind of priestess. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
Why is it important for people on earth | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
to understand Aphrodite's power? | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
Well, the Greeks were just a lot less hypocritical than we are | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
and they divided up their female gods, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
so when you wanted to attract a lover | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
and asked her to give you special allure, you went to Aphrodite. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Women do seem to have this kind of special relationship with the divine. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
Why is that? What do you think is going on here? | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
Women were certainly seen as being much more in touch with the physical self, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
with giving birth and life and with dying. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
Women have a particularly close relationship with Aphrodite. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
In many temple cults, we know there were lots of women servants. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
But there's something about Aphrodite | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
which means that women were absolutely regarded as symbolising sex. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
Through her sensuous poetry, Sappho was performing a vital role - | 0:12:36 | 0:12:42 | |
educating young women about the world ahead of them | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
and about the charged power of love. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
In Sappho's day, poetry wasn't written down, but recited, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
accompanied by a lyre and dancing. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
And today, in Sappho's birthplace, the ghosts of these rituals survive. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
Local girls are taught the very steps | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
their ancestors would have learnt, close on 3,000 years ago. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Sappho's sacred poetry seemed to give women a sense of themselves, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
but Ancient Greece was no feminist paradise. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
Women knew their place, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
as was all too apparent 200 years after Sappho | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
in the city that gave birth to one of the greatest political experiments of human civilisation. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:40 | |
You could argue that what happened here in Greece | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
gave us the building blocks for Western civilisation - | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
a belief in democracy, a belief in freedom of speech | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
and a fixed and firm notion | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
that women were very definitely second-class citizens. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
Women were often not allowed out during daylight hours. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
Some had their faces completely veiled, few were educated | 0:14:39 | 0:14:45 | |
and a woman's most celebrated virtue was her silence. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
One popular saying by the poet Semonides described, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
"Her man couldn't stop his wife barking, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
"even after he'd knocked her teeth out with a stone." | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
Most histories lionise the glorious achievements of Athens' men. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
But by focusing just on the obvious triumphs, conquests in war | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
and monumental buildings, a truer, richer picture is missed. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
Up on the sacred Acropolis rock, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
most tourists head straight for the Parthenon, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
ignoring an overgrown corner that was once home to a group of young girls, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:35 | |
tasked to serve the Athenian state. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
I've come here with historian Judy Barringer. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
This was the location where the Arrephoroi lived. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
These are young girls who were between the ages of seven and 11, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
who lived here on the Acropolis for a period of time - | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
about nine months - | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
and there were two to four of these girls. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
And these were from elite, aristocratic families. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
On the brink of puberty, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
these young girls were here to enact a mysterious religious ceremony. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:11 | |
They had to leave from the Acropolis with some baskets on their heads | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
and in these baskets were unseen things, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
things they were forbidden to look at. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
And they had to take them down a staircase to a place near, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
or in, a shrine of Aphrodite in the gardens. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
These are the steps they'd have used? | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
These are the very steps they'd walk down. They'd go down here. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Well, as a mum, my heart goes out to these little girls. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
because we're not going to dare go down those steps, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
-which are pretty steep, and they were doing it, on their own, at night... -Yes, it's at night. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
Walking down here with their baskets of mysterious goods. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
Which they can't drop and they're not supposed to look into. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
What we hear from ancient sources is what was in the baskets | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
were clay models of either fruits or snakes, | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
or phalluses, genitalia, or all three. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
And so these were really sacred objects, important things. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
If you say they're walking down here to the shrine of Aphrodite, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
there must be something sexual going on here as well. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
Because they're on the cusp of puberty, aren't they, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
if they're kind of up to age 11, 12? | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
Girls married very young in antiquity. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
We think as soon as they had passed puberty, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
as soon as they were menstruating and ready to bear children, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
they would be married. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:32 | |
Many scholars have seen this as moving from the realm of Athena, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
here on the surface of the Acropolis, down the staircase | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
to a shrine of Aphrodite, that is moving from virginity to sexual love | 0:17:38 | 0:17:44 | |
or preparation for marriage and motherhood, eventually. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
And if it's a rite of passage to marriage, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
then it's extremely important in terms of symbolic fertility. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
These girls were enacting a ritual to safeguard the fertility of the whole society. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:09 | |
What was at stake was nothing less than the survival of the Athenians themselves. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:15 | |
Religion gave these young women a vital role. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
And they weren't alone. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
All over Athens, women served as priestesses. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
They were physically the keepers of the keys of huge temples, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
personally wealthy, and their voices, even in the male-only, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
democratic assembly, could be heard. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
Religion made them matter. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
In a world which treated women as worthless, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
priestesses enjoyed high status. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
Life's quite tough for women, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
so do you think this is kind of one moment | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
where it becomes more bearable and more than that, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
where they really do have some kind of power and control? | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
They certainly do have power and control in religion. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
If you take women out of Greek religion, it's basically empty. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
They are really central in virtually every aspect of Greek religion, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
from ritual to the goddesses themselves. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
My next destination is a place where a group of women | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
were considered so sacred, the fate of a civilisation depended on them. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:33 | |
The Romans aped Greek art, Greek ideas, Greek gods. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:50 | |
Aphrodite became Venus. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
Zeus, Jupiter. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
Rome did everything Greece did to the power of X. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
Mighty Rome also permitted the influence of women in the religious sphere | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
and one story in particular reveals an intriguing insight | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
into how Rome viewed its women. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
The Roman Forum was once the political and religious centre of the Eternal City. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
Here, right in the heart of ancient Rome, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
there was a religious institution | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
that the Romans believed pre-dated even Romulus and Remus. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
Its initiates were thought to be responsible | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
for the security of the city itself. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
And each and every one of them was a woman. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
Their cult was said to have lasted for over 1,000 years. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
They were six priestesses, known as the Vestal Virgins. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
The criteria for becoming a Vestal was very strict. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
Only prime specimens would pass the test. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
The highest-ranking priest in Rome, the Pontifex Maximus, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
selected the girls between the ages of six and ten. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
They had to be of noble birth, both their parents had to be alive | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
and they had to be free of any kind of mental or physical deformity. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
But the key condition that they had to agree to | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
for at least the next 30 years was to remain virgins. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
And every day of their service, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
each of the girls was to wear a wedding dress. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
Free from any male guardianship, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
they became the brides of Rome itself. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
To find out about their extraordinary lives, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
I've come to the remains of the extremely grand villa where the Vestals once lived | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
to meet Corey Brennan from the American Academy in Rome. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
In a weird way, the individual Vestals were the embodiment of the Roman state | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
and they had no family. They were totally on their own. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
This was unique for women. No-one owned them. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
But, on the other hand, all eyes were on them, as well. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
And how far would these lives bear any relation | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
to the lives of ordinary women in Rome? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
For ordinary women, there could not be more of a gulf. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
If you were going to a gladiatorial game at the Coliseum, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
where you would see the Vestal Virgins is in the front rows. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
Where the other women would be would be at the top tier, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
in the nosebleed section with the slaves. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
So there's an enormous, enormous gap between the Vestal Virgins | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
and ordinary women. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
Right next to the house of the Vestals | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
was the temple of the goddess they served. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
Her name was Vesta, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:12 | |
and she was the deity in charge of the hearth and of fire. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
And the single most important duty of the Vestals | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
was to keep her sacred fire alive. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
The Romans believed that if the sacred fire kept burning, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
then Rome would survive. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
And the fire of Rome holds the key | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
to why the Vestals had to be virgins. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
Why was this virginity so important? | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
I mean, for the people of Rome, what did their virginity represent? | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
The virginity goes part and parcel with a larger idea of perfection. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
Their purity resembled, or mirrored, the purity of the flame itself. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
They have to remain virgins, in a way, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
because they really had to keep the fire going at all times. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
Any distraction whatsoever from this very important work | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
was too great to risk. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
So the whole idea of having sexual liaisons | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
or really any sort of non-prescribed activity, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
all of this was a danger to the flame that represented a continuity | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
and safety of the Roman state. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
The Vestals' virginity, their capacity to create life, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
stored and held back, was the potent force which fuelled Vesta's flame. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:38 | |
The Vestals, arguably, had the most important job in Rome. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
But status came at a price. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
They lived on a knife-edge. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
For the crime of allowing the fire to go out, | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
a Vestal would be taken to a dark room by the Pontifex Maximus, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
where she'd be stripped and beaten. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
But there is another crime that carried an even greater punishment. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
If the Vestals lost their virginity, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
then they were no longer able to protect Rome, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
and that deserved more than just a beating. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
Ancient historians Cicero and Asconius tell us | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
that in 114 BC, not one, but three Vestals were accused of the crime of incestum - | 0:25:36 | 0:25:44 | |
losing their precious virginity. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
Their names were Marcia, Aemelia and Licinia. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
A slave who worked for the Vestals | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
let slip that the three were no longer virgins. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Marcia, he said, had taken just one lover. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
But the other two had slept with many men, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
including one another's brothers. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
There were even rumours of group sex. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
But it was only Marcia who was found guilty and condemned to death. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
And the way she was killed is the stuff of nightmares. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
To harm a Vestal was to threaten the very existence of Rome... | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
..and so an elaborate, chilling method of disposal was devised | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
to free the city and its occupants from blame. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
Marcia was dressed in her funerary clothes | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
and her hands and her feet were bound. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
She was put into a sedan chair and carried through the streets of Rome | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
with family and priests either side, as if they were going to her burial. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
But, of course, at this point, Marcia was still alive. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
After being paraded before the citizens of Rome, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
the funeral procession arrived at the entrance to an underground tomb. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
With her hands still tied, the Pontifex Maximus himself led her in. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
When she reached the ladder at the entrance to the tomb, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
all the priests present turned their back on her. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
Once she reached the bottom, the ladder was taken away | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
and the entrance to the tomb was sealed. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
She was left on her own with a lighted lamp, her blankets, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
a little bit of water and some bread, milk and oil. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
Marcia was left to face her fate alone. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
Some say the food was left as a gift for the goddess, Vesta, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
or as a final act of kindness. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
But, actually, it was just a pretence. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
It was a way the Romans could convince themselves | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
that they didn't have the blood of a Vestal on their hands. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
Whereas, in fact, of course, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
they'd left her to a lonely, lingering death. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
One of the sad facts of life, or sad facts of death in this case, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
is that the execution of Vestals lines up pretty closely | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
with Rome's great military disasters. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
Roman forces lose in the field, something horrible must have happened | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
in the relationship between the Roman Empire and the gods. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
And so who's to blame? | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
Vestals were the first folks to get fingers pointed at them. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
They were scapegoating, for want of a better word. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
You could argue that the sacred nature of the Vestals' lives | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
paid them the ultimate honour, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
but their story's also a gruesome example | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
of how controlling and brutal ideas about a woman's sexuality could be. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:59 | |
These women may have carried the fate of Rome in their hands, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
but men still held their lives by a thread. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
In Ancient Rome, religion gave a select group of women | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
a key role as priestesses... | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
..at the price of their freedom. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
But a new faith was about to appear, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
which would offer all female followers a radically new lifestyle. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:34 | |
By the fourth century AD, Christianity would become | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
the official religion of the Roman Empire. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
Unlike the religions of Ancient Greece and Rome, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
there was room for only one deity in this new faith, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
and He was very definitely male. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
There's long been an underlying assumption | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
that to be a true representative of the Christian God, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
you really need to be a man. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
In the Church of England and across the world, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
the issue of whether women should be bishops has caused turmoil, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
and most Catholics believe that women shouldn't even be priests. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
Amongst them is Catholic writer and broadcaster Joanna Bogle. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
God became incarnate as a man. That's not an accident. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
Christ was born and grew up in a world | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
where every religion had priestesses. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
He knew what he was doing. He's Almighty God. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
This was the plan from the beginning, that men would be priests. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
Priests are there to serve the Church, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
but it's not a question of allowing women to be priests. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
It's in the nature of woman that she has another task to do. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
So God loves you, He just doesn't want you to give the sacred Eucharist? | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
I could if I needed to distribute Holy Communion, but no. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
A priest in the person of Christ, who was male, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
will preside saying, "This is my body". | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
And I think that's very profound. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
So you think for the future of the Church, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
it's entirely appropriate that there are no female priests, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
there are no female bishops? | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
It's not that we MAY not, we CANNOT have them. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
That's a bit like saying, "What a pity men can't give birth." | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
There are not going to be, there cannot be women priests. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
It's not in the nature of womanhood. That's the deal. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
That's the deal. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:40 | |
I have to admit that I find Joanna's position hard to accept. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
But she reflects the views of no lesser an authority | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
than the Pope himself. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:55 | |
In 2010, the Vatican declared that to ordain a woman was a serious crime. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
Now that seems to me to be very shocking, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
but, also as a historian, it's just rather odd, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
because if you investigate the foundations of Christianity, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
they tell a very different story. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
I'm going to travel back to those crucial first few centuries. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
To the time when this new faith was merely a splinter group | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
from the existing religion of Judaism. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
The new movement, the Christ cult, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
had a vigorous champion, the convert, Paul. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
It was Paul who took this fledgling Jewish movement | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
and opened it up to non-Jews. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
He made it his mission to spread the new faith | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
right across the Roman Empire and, as he did so, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
he carried with him one particular message | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
that had huge impact in its time, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
but is often underplayed or forgotten today. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
I'm heading to one of the places where this message was first declared. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:16 | |
The ancient Greek city of Corinth once had a bustling port | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
and was one of the main hubs of the Roman Empire. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
It was to the people of Corinth that Paul directed his most famous teachings - | 0:34:30 | 0:34:35 | |
what would become crucial passages in the New Testament. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
His first letter to the Corinthians contains some troubling lines. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
"What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that time is short. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
"For this world in its present form is passing away." | 0:34:49 | 0:34:54 | |
Paul's message was stark and unforgettable. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
What he was saying was that soon, the world was going to end. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:04 | |
The early followers of Christ were told that they were living in the end of days. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:17 | |
And so for them, earthly matters were no longer a concern. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
What this meant for women was nothing short of remarkable. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
There's an early Christian text that you won't find anywhere in the Bible, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
but that is a vital bit of historical evidence. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
It's called the Acts of Paul and Thecla. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
Scholars believe this text was written in the second century AD. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
Later Church leaders decided that the contents | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
of this Christian narrative were not suitable for the Bible. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
It describes how one day in the first century AD, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
Paul was preaching to a group of people in a town called Iconium, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:11 | |
in what's now modern-day Turkey. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
The key character of our story wasn't allowed out onto the streets, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
so we find her eavesdropping at the window of a nearby house. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
She was a young girl, only around 13 or so, and her name was Thecla. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:29 | |
Thecla was betrothed to a man called Thamyris, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
but she was about to do something radical. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
Thecla listened intently while Paul dropped his bombshell. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
"Forget the traditions of the past" he said. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
"Give up your ideas of marriage and children, because the end is nigh." | 0:36:46 | 0:36:51 | |
For three days and nights, she sat transfixed at her window, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
absorbing everything she heard. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
And then she committed the ultimate act of rebellion. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
She hurried through the house to break the news to her mother. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
She wasn't going to marry. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
Instead, she was going to stay a virgin. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
She would leave home and follow Paul and his incendiary words. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:18 | |
Thecla's mother was, of course, horrified. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
This broke with centuries, if not millennia, of tradition. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
And you can gauge the scale of her outrage from her reaction. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
We're told that she cried out, "Burn the lawless one! | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
"Burn her that is no bride, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
"so that all the women who've been taught by this man may be afraid." | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
Thecla ran. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
She hit the road with Paul. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
With her hair cut short and wearing boys' clothes, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
she travelled with him everywhere. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
She abandoned everything she'd known for this new religion. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
What can the Acts of Paul and Thecla tell us | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
about the role of women at the beginning of Christianity? | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
To find out, I've come to one of the premiere cities in the ancient world | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
A place visited by Paul. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
'I think Thecla was really an image | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
'of what it was to really listen to the word of God.' | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
Kate Cooper is a leading authority on the role of women in the early Church. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
The thing is, ancient people are burdened by the need | 0:39:01 | 0:39:07 | |
to constantly be worrying about keeping the birth rate up, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
so every generation has got to reproduce itself, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
and in that sense, the idea that the world is ending, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
and that you don't HAVE to keep the population up, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
opens a whole horizon of liberated energy | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
-for people to think about other things. -Amazing. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
So they don't have the pressure to bear children the whole time? | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
Exactly! And think about how that influences women's positions. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
What does that mean for the ordinary Christian woman | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
on the street in the first or second century AD? | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
Well, one of the things that's really interesting | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
is there's a lot of evidence that women played a different kind of role | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
in the early Christian communities. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
That they were seen as equal sharers in the job of preaching and teaching. | 0:39:53 | 0:40:00 | |
In a way, it offered them a kind of opportunity | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
that may not have been available to them | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
in other religious communities. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
Without the pressure to have sex, women's lives were transformed. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
Now they could be guardians, not just of sexual, but of divine love. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
Of course, Paul was wrong about the Apocalypse. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
The world didn't end, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
and Christians quietly abandoned the belief that it would. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
Women instead started to look to the future, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
hosting prayer meetings in their homes | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
and financially supporting the new movement. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
In the first two centuries of Christianity, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
at least 50% of the churches in Rome were founded by women. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
And although we're now used to Christian worship | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
being led by male priests and bishops, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
there's evidence to suggest the picture was once very different. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
Hidden beneath the streets of Rome lies an intricate labyrinth of tunnels, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
known as the Catacombs of St Priscilla. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
They date to between the second and fourth centuries AD, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
when to be a Christian in Rome was to be a criminal. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
Down here lies a neglected piece of early Christian history. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
This is where Christians were brought to be buried | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
and where they came when they were being persecuted. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
The catacombs were carved out of the bare rock. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
You can still see all the pickaxe marks on the ceilings and the walls. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:03 | |
It's almost as if you're being transported back | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
to the very moment of Christianity's inception. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
This was only discovered a few years ago, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
and it dates from the second century AD, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
which makes it the oldest surviving image anywhere in the world | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
of the Virgin Mary and Jesus. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
And that's what's so fantastic about coming down here, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
because you're absolutely up, face to face, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
with the very earliest days of Christianity. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
But what I find especially fascinating about these tunnels | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
is what they tell us about the role of women. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
In one corner, we find an image detailing what appears to be | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
women presiding over a religious ritual, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
what today we might recognise as the Eucharist or Holy Communion. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
In another alcove | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
is an image which some people would consider incendiary. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
There are two things that strike you about this particular painting. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
The obvious one is that the scene is dominated by a figure of a woman. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:15 | |
But then just have a look at this little group of three in the corner. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
There's a bishop, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
and he's got his hand on the shoulder of a woman. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
Now, she's wearing a piece of white cloth called an alb | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
and that was a vestment that could only be worn by ordained priests. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:33 | |
All over this subterranean world there are images | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
of not just men leading worship, but women. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
Being here, it appears to me | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
that the early Christians had an inclusive, egalitarian take | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
on who should lead their faith. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
A view at odds with that of many Christians today. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
Questo e il mio corpo offerto in sacrificio per voi. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:08 | |
Father Scott Brodeur is a Catholic priest and respected theologian | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
at the prestigious Gregorian University in Rome. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
He prepares men for the priesthood. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
He believes that key evidence | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
about the role women should play in the Church | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
can be found in the Bible itself, | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
in a letter St Paul wrote to the citizens of Rome. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
And what he has to say may come as a surprise to some. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
St Paul in... May I read this verse? | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
..in the Letter To The Romans, Chapter 16, Verse 1, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
St Paul is writing, of course, and he says, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church at Cenchrea." | 0:44:51 | 0:44:56 | |
And Paul, by sending her to Rome, is saying, | 0:44:56 | 0:45:01 | |
"Look at this extraordinary woman and I'm sending you one of our best | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
"and because I trust her, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
"she's going to interpret this letter for you. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
"So if you have any questions, ask Phoebe." | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
It is significant that, because that's pretty much | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
the most important job that you can give someone - | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
to ask Phoebe to take the teachings of Christ, | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
the message of Jesus, to Rome, to the centre of the Roman world. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
Absolutely. Paul is so aware of the importance of this letter. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:32 | |
So she has a crucial role. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
So do you think he's consciously making a point by choosing a woman? | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
Absolutely. The entire Letter To The Romans is about | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
that there is now this common equality among us, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
that we all share the same value and worth. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
It's interesting though, isn't it? | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
It's not the commonly held opinion. When you talk to people, they say, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
"Oh, you know, Christianity just caused terrible problems for women." | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
Precisely. Or that St Paul was very much anti-women or so forth, | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
but nothing could be further from the truth. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
Women were essential in the early Church. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
Even the Bible itself suggests | 0:46:14 | 0:46:15 | |
that in the first few centuries of Christianity, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
women played similar roles to men. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
But there were clearly some who were troubled by this state of affairs. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:29 | |
Evidence of a centuries-old struggle | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
can be found in the church of Santa Prassede. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
In a side chapel here, which is normally very dark, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
there's a tantalising bit of evidence. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
On this mosaic, you've got images of four women. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
There's the Virgin Mary, very obviously, in the middle there | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
and on either side of her there are two saints. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
But then this woman on the left is really intriguing. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
She's been given this strange blue halo, | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
which tells us she was actually alive when the mosaic was made. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
And her title is written above - Episcopa. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
Now, Episcopa is the female version of Episcopus, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
the Latin for a bishop. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
Look at her name, though, down the side. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
She's obviously a woman, so she'd be called Theodora, | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
but somebody's tampered with the mosaic. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
They've put some new gold mosaic at the end, | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
so she's no longer "Theodora", but "Theodo", | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
so she could almost be a man. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
It's almost as if somebody is trying to pretend | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
there were no female bishops here in Rome. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
Time and time again, we find that women | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
are not properly represented in Christianity's history. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
The story of Thecla isn't found in the Bible. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
The evidence from the catacombs | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
of women leading worship is disregarded. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
And there are no churches or cathedrals | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
dedicated to female priests or bishops. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:20 | |
If women were once so crucial, when did it all go wrong? | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
Christianity may have begun by championing women, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
but not everyone was happy with this situation. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
Many eminent theologians were deeply uncomfortable | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
with women taking such a prominent position. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
How dare women presume they could play a leading role | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
when their very essence was an affront to God? | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
One Christian, Clement of Alexandria, | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
wrote in the 3rd Century AD, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
"The very consciousness of their own nature | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
"must evoke feelings of shame." | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
And another said that women were not created in God's image, | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
but instead they destroyed God's image. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:24 | |
But there would be one man | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
whose glittering intellect and powers of persuasion | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
would make this hotchpotch of women-hating bile stick. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
I've come to the place where, for him, it all started. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
Beneath Milan's cathedral lie the ruins of a 4th-century baptistry. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:15 | |
It's where people once came to be baptised into the Christian faith. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:20 | |
What happened here was perhaps | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
one of the most critical developments in Christian history. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
Here, in 387 AD, a man called Augustine became a Christian. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:36 | |
And he'd go on to be one of the most brilliant | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
Christian theologians of all time, | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
but his attitudes would cause trouble for women | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
for the next 1,700 years. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
We know an awful lot about Augustine's life, | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
thanks to his detailed autobiography, his Confessions. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
Augustine tells us that in his younger days, | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
he was obsessed with sex and that, as a teenager, | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
he spent every waking hour hungry with desire. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
"To love and to be loved was sweet to me, | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
"particularly when I enjoyed the body of the one I desired. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
"And so I polluted the spring of friendship | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
"with the filth of concupiscence and I dimmed its lustre | 0:51:36 | 0:51:40 | |
"with the slime of lust." | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
But after becoming a Christian, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
Augustine embraced a life of celibacy. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
His preoccupation with sex, however, was far from over. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
He'd go on to develop a theory | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
which would shape how humanity viewed itself. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
It was a theory so powerful, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
we're still living with its consequences today. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
Augustine developed the concept of original sin. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
He believed that the crimes committed by Adam and Eve | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
in the Garden of Eden, when they ate the forbidden fruit, | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
would be perpetuated down the generations, | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
thanks to the act of sex. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
In other words, when any of us are born, | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
we're already creatures infused with sin to the very core of our being. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:34 | |
Women, in particular, come out of this very badly. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
Carved into the wall of Milan's cathedral | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
is the moment when Augustine believed | 0:52:46 | 0:52:48 | |
it all went wrong for humanity. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
It was Eve who'd encouraged Adam to sin. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
Eve becomes an archetype for all women, weak and easily fooled, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
but also a temptress who leads men astray. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
Rather than eroticism and sexual desire | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
being considered a gift of the gods as they were in the classical world, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
now these things were thought of as unremittingly dark and sinful - | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
a betrayal of God himself. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
Sex was the work of the devil and women were his agents. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:31 | |
It fed into a growing notion | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
that women weren't worthy representatives of God. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
And over the centuries, this belief | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
became so pervasive that eventually history was rewritten. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:44 | |
Today, there are many who believe that Christian women | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
never did play an equal role to men. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
-Augustine is massively influential in the 4th Century AD. -Yes. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
Some would argue that up until the point that his ideas of original sin | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
become part of the living tradition of the Church, | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
actually women have a better deal before then | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
and after that, there is a lot of trouble for women. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
Well, they're quite wrong to do so. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
Augustine simply said what the Church taught. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
It's not a shift. His understanding of original sin was very, very much | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
what the earlier Church fathers had been saying. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
But why did so many, then, in early Christianity, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
in the first, second, third, fourth centuries AD, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
manage to misinterpret Jesus' teachings so spectacularly? | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
Because there definitely were female priests in the early Church. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
There weren't so many. They didn't misinterpret it. No. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
The Church has been run for 2,000 years and she does know her history. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
From all the evidence I've seen, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:44 | |
I have to disagree with Joanna on Christian history, | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
but, of course, she's right - | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
men and women don't have equal roles today. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
You've spent your life studying the teachings of Jesus. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
Do you think he would have wanted to have seen a Church develop | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
where women played a key role? | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
The early disciples of Jesus were both men and women. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
There was a very special, important group of women | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
who closely followed him all through his public ministry | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
in an important role of service to him and I do think that's important | 0:55:14 | 0:55:19 | |
for the Church in every age, including ours. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
I can imagine that for liberal Catholics like Father Scott, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
it must be difficult reconciling what they see | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
as the correct interpretation of the Bible | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
with the position that their Church now holds. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
As the Church grew, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
the freedoms initially open to women were crushed. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
At the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
the fate of priestesses was in the balance. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
Because Christianity now had not just a faith, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
but a massive territory to call its own, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
there was a compulsion to tidy things up, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
to sort out the new Church | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
and the Council made all kinds of key decisions. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
The council proposed that those women, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
who for centuries had played a vital role in the Church, | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
should now be considered laity and not to be ordained. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
Women were being pushed to the margins | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
right across the spiritual landscape. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
Two generations after the Council Of Nicaea, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
they received the killer blow. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
In 394 AD, the Christian Emperor, Theodosius I, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
ordered the end of all pagan worship. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
Temples were closed or pulled down, | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
the old gods and goddesses were declared officially extinct | 0:56:59 | 0:57:04 | |
and the flames of the Vesta, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
which had been kept alive for over 1,000 years by the Vestal Virgins, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:11 | |
were finally put out. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
For millennia, women had walked hand in hand with the divine. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:22 | |
For some, this privilege had cost them their lives. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
For many more, it had brought status, authority and respect. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:30 | |
But now, for better or for worse, | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
the age of the priestess had come to an end. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:39 | |
But the story of divine women wasn't over. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:48 | |
Drawing on the power of the written word, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
indomitable women would fight back to become Queen Of Heaven, | 0:57:51 | 0:57:56 | |
Empress On Earth, to found a new faith | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
and transform a great civilisation. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
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