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We are a pair. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:04 | |
We both know that we wouldn't be where we are today | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
without each other. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:08 | |
The fact that we do get grouped together means | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
we do do a lot together and I quite enjoy that. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
Brownlee wins in London! | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Jonathan...! | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
Alistair Brownlee is the champion. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
Two brothers on top of the Olympic podium. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
This is the tale of two brothers who bicker and fall out | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
like any brothers but, together, like nothing more | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
than taking on the world and winning. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
# Marching on together | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
# We're going to see you | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
# Tra-la-la-la! # | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
What annoys you about Alistair? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Erm, I think him turning up late, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
I think he gets a kick out of making people wait. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
So in the mornings, say, in Spain, I'm all ready to go, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
he's always the last one to come down. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
That really annoys me. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
And I think he knows it annoys me as well. | 0:00:58 | 0:00:59 | |
We have to give Alistair a right to reply here. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
What about Jonny annoys you? | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
Erm, well, the fact that he actually thinks I'm late on purpose to | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
annoy him, that's quite annoying, because obviously I'm not. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
We're not just talking about a couple of brothers from next door, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
we're talking about the best triathletes there's ever been | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
in the history of the sport. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Alistair Brownlee is the Olympic triathlon champion! | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
And there will be both of the brilliant Brownlee brothers | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
on the Olympic podium, as Jonathan comes home for bronze. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:38 | |
You are Olympic champion. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
Feels a bit underwhelming in a way because Jonny's just collapsed. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
The medal ceremony was delayed a while because | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
of a medical problem for younger brother, Jonny. He's OK now. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
When we were kids, we competed over absolutely everything. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
Board games, badminton in the garden, cricket | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
and there were lots of times where we used to fall out | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
and the board games were tossed up in the air. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
We literally played everything and competed over it | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
with Ed trying to keep up somewhere in the middle | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
or siding with one of us. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:11 | |
Jonathan was always much better with me, | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
he's always been a lot more kind of understanding | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
and friendlier and he always played a lot more sports. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
We always used to go out in the garden and play football together. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
But Alistair was a lot more individual, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
he's kind of been on his own a lot. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:24 | |
He was not bothered about playing football, he's never been able to | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
play football very well, to be honest with you. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Family aside, the one person who knows the Brownlees best | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
is their coach and mentor, Malcolm Brown. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
The first time I met Alistair Brownlee | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
was at the Carnegie running track | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
and this gentleman came walking across the track | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
with his two boys and I said, "Are you here to train?" | 0:02:44 | 0:02:50 | |
And he said, "Well, yes." | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
He pointed to the taller of the two, which was Alistair, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
and he said, "This is Alistair. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
"He's quite good at cross-country running but he lacks a bit of speed. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
"I was just wondering if there's anybody here who can help him out." | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
I said, "Oh, that's interesting." | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
I said, "And the little one?" - Jonny - | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
He said, "Oh, forget him, he's a footballer." | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
There was times when I was doing other things with football, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
rugby, and I dreamed of playing for Leeds United | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
and dreamed of playing rugby. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:19 | |
I'd been doing a bit of swimming, a bit of running | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
and I think something like eight or nine years old, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
saw my uncle doing a triathlon and just decided to give one a go. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
enjoyed endurance sports. Swimming and running were the things | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
that I was good at and enjoyed doing | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
and I think triathlon just had that extra element | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
of obviously the cycling but also the technical aspect | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
of jumping on and off a bike, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:37 | |
the slight tactical aspect of other people and, you know, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
putting your T-shirt on, even having to remember your number. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
All those things added a bit more interest to a sport | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
to a nine-year-old | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
that made it a bit more exciting than just swimming up and down. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
What were they like at that age, as characters? | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
Alistair would generally come into to the pool about four o'clock, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
session didn't start until half past four. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
He was one of the kids that would always want to know what the | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
session was. I think that's the reason why he came in, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
because I always wrote the session on the board first. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
So he'd come, he'd observe, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
he'd look and he'd say, "Don't like that set. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
"Don't want to do that. Can we change that to that? | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
"Can I do this instead of that?" | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
But getting Jonny inside to start training was just... | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
I'd be banging on the window. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Doing the... Doing this. "Come on!" | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
And he's be standing at the window going... | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
"No, not yet." | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
And I'd be like, "Now!" | 0:04:29 | 0:04:30 | |
And then he'd come on t'poolside, muddied up as well. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
"Go and have a shower." | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
Ten minutes later, he'd stroll back in again, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
warm-up was just about finished. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:38 | |
"Am I doing my warm-up now?" | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
"No. You've already missed the first 400 talking. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
"Can we...can we get going?" | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
I'd heard about Jonny because Jonny was two years younger | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
and with Alistair being in senior school, you heard the name Brownlee | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
in junior school, you thought, "Hello, this is another star." | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
And of course the reports coming through were very, very good. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Do you think that it was essential for Jonny | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
that he had his big brother sort of forging a path for him? | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
I think it was a very good thing for him | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
and in some ways a very difficult thing for him | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
because obviously the name Brownlee was associated with great success. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
OK. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
One of the influences in their lives early on | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
was my co-coach at the Leeds Triathlon Centre, Jack Maitland. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
And Jack was looking after them | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
as part of the northern talent group | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
and he gave me a statement of how good they were, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
which is they were amongst the best in the north of England at the time. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
But what struck me really was their absolute love of the outdoors | 0:05:33 | 0:05:39 | |
and training. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
So when I spoke to them about what they'd been doing | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
before they'd come to me, say, on a Tuesday night, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
they'd already cycled to school, swam, had a run at lunchtime | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
and then turned up to do a training session. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
And it struck me that these characters were really exceptional | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
in their enjoyment of hard work. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
I think it clicked very quickly, really. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
Kind of the back end of 2005, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:11 | |
I went to my first world championships as a junior, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
was absolute useless. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
At the time I thought I didn't have that good a race | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
but I actually had one of the quickest runs and I thought, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
"I'm maybe not a million miles off here, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
"I'm very young in my age group, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
"it kind of shows me that with a bit more, I could be there." | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
I definitely kind of went away from that and thought, "Well, you know, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
"I can be a lot better next year, I'm going to go away and be better." | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
The word determination is just synonymous with Alistair, really. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Alistair was a racing machine | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
because he not only ran for the school | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
but he was running for Bingley Harriers at the same time | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
in fell races, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
many of which I didn't even know about, to be quite honest with you. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
He'd go off in the midweek, he'd train in the afternoon | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
and then race in the evening, and I didn't know. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
But that was the way he was. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
He just loved racing, I think. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
Alistair would work his transitions after training. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
His mother often used to say, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
"I haven't had to wash his towel for a month cos it's still dry." | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
Because I think he'd just go straight into the changing rooms, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
shake off and he'd be in his clothes | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
and often, his mum would bring his bike down on the back of the car | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
and Alistair would be out, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
I'd still be wiping the board from the session | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
and I'd see him going flitting past the window | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
and jumping on the bike and waving at his mum and he'd be gone. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
Jonny, in the changing rooms, having a lovely long shower, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
waiting for a lift home in the car. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
But as they got older and Jonny was starting to get more | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
into his triathlons as well, it would be, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
"How fast can we get on the bike?" | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
And Jonny didn't want to get left behind. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
Are the boys very much a product of their environment? | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
Well, if you look around - hills, hills, hills everywhere. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
You're either going up a hill or down a hill. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
It's tough country and I think the boys have always loved | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
tough conditions. I mean, the tougher the conditions, the better. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
I suppose there is that kind of rugged tradition in Yorkshire, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
particularly the fell running and there's that kind of... | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
I wouldn't say it's a myth but... | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
The tough Yorkshireman and I think... It's there. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
It's there, it's there with them. Yeah. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
Were they always competitive, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
with each other and other people in the group? | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
Yeah, the pair of them were always up for a bit of a race | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
to the top of the next hill, first man to the cafe, etc. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
Yeah, they've... | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
I mean, anything that they'd do, as seen through the years, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
they're always trying to be the best at it. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
Always trying to win. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
A lot of people, when they hear about us training 35 hours a week, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
think that's a lot of training | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
but 90% of our training is doing that kind of talking first. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
You're like this, you're riding round in somewhere beautiful | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
and on a day like today, it's fun. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
So I'd say 90% of it is fun, 10% of it is not so fun. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
The worst thing that I hate more than anything is the cold, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
so there's those days when, for some reason, Alistair's dragged me | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
into the Dales for two hours and I've charged into Dales | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
and it starts snowing and hailing | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
and I'm thinking, you know, "50 miles home. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
"That's a long way to go in the hail." | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
I just love being in pain. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
You know, I actually love this, I thrive off pushing myself, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
not only if it's a competitive situation | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
and I'm trying to hang onto someone but also just on my own, you know, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
being able to push myself and hurt | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
and I've got no idea where that's come from. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
I think it's just years and years of doing it maybe | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
and enjoying doing it. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
Although I think my dad'd tell you that, you know, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
even the first time he saw me do cross-country as a six-year-old, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
I went red in the face and looked like I was about to die, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
so maybe I had it then as well. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Now, your mum tells a story when you were probably one year old, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
and Alistair had started going to nursery and you crawled around | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
so much looking for him that you'd actually make your knees bleed. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:09:50 | 0:09:51 | |
The fact that Alistair was always doing things ahead of you, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
did that make a real difference to you? | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Yeah, definitely, yeah. I remember looking up to Alistair. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
I remember moving into our house, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
I've got a memory of choosing the room next to Alistair | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
even though it was the smallest room in the house. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
For some reason, I wanted to be next to Alistair. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
When ran in the Yorkshire cross-country team, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
when he came back with a Yorkshire vest | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
to compete in the national champs, I thought, "I can do that as well." | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
And I've been able to do that for my whole sporting career. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
I'm probably not the personality who's going to go out there | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
and, you know, do it for myself without someone else kind of | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
showing me the way before, and Alistair definitely did that. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
I think I am more of a team player, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
I'm a lot better at kind of listening to other people | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
and involving their ideas, whereas Alistair's a bit more, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
"It's my way." Is Alistair's way always the right way? | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
In Alistair's head? Oh, in Alistair's head, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
definitely it's always the right way. And if it's not the right way, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
he'll just argue that it is the right way, whatever, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
and then he'll change opinions to what he was | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
and say that he was arguing that way anyway. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
But, yeah, he always thinks he's right, definitely. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
'It's good in a way having someone who is a strong personality | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
'because it means that when you do something, | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
'you 100% believe in it | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
'and I think that's really, really important in sport.' | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
About half an hour and we'll come back here. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
Does it feel like a relationship of equals or does it still feel like | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
Alistair, cos you're the big brother, you have the final say? | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Er, I think it is more a relationship of equals. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
I like to think my point of view is more significant | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
because I know more so... It can't be equals then, can it? | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
From that one comment, surely it can't be equals? | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
No, it's, like, equal as in | 0:11:32 | 0:11:33 | |
if you had as much clever things to say as me, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
we'd be equal but you don't. It's a lot like... | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
I feel like you've answered the question. Yeah! | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
It's a lot like the old adage isn't it? | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
Where if, you know, if someone... | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
If you disagree with me, we have a talk about it, I listen to | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
your point of view, we have a little debate and then I decide. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
Yeah, well, there you go. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
Did Alistair take control of his own destiny, I suppose, quite early? | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
Very. There was a conversation that Jack Maitland had with me | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
on one of the regional development camps when they were teenagers | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
and said, "Coz, his training programme's all over the place. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
"You see him the most, you're the one that has | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
"contact with him every day." And I just said... | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
"I just coach him for the swimming." | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
I said, "Alistair does all of his running | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
"and his cycling away from me." | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
I said, "I don't know enough about the sport." | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
So he just sort of said, "Yeah, but he is doing a lot of swimming | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
"for a triathlete." So a few sessions later, I said, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
"Alistair, have you got time for a word?" "Yeah." | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
I said, "Jack's a bit worried. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
"He thinks you need to balance your training programme." "Why?" | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
I said, "Do you think you're doing too much?" "No. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
"I know what I need to be doing in ten years to be in the Olympics." | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
And the back of my brain thought, "Ooh, what's he just said?" | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
And I went, "Right." | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
And he said, "I've got to get through the 1,500 metres | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
"on an Olympics really easy. Really easy. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
"Because I need to blow apart on the bike, you know, and the run." | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
And I said, "Right." And he said, "Three sessions a week's | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
"not going to do it, though, is it, Coz? | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
"I need to get out feeling fresh. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
"And I need a training programme that's going to do that." | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
He said, "I'm not changing that, I know what I need to do in ten years | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
"and I'm doing it now so I'm ahead." | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
At 14. He knew. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
There was no doubt that he was trying to become a world champion | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
as a junior. There was no doubt that he would want to then | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
be a world champion as a senior. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
There's no doubt if you're the world champion as a senior, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
you want to be the Olympic champion. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
The Brownlee brothers are taking no prisoners here this afternoon. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
ALISTAIR: I don't think they're tactfully that proficient | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
a lot of the times, these guys. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Both Alistair and Jonny in a race, you know, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
pretty ruthless individuals | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
and, you know, they want their space in their water | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
and they don't want anyone to come into that | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
and there's a consequence if anybody does. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
They a have a view of the way that the race should go | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
and how others should race and they feel quite irritated with | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
people who aren't trying to optimise their own performance | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
because they can see that if these guys did do different things | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
they would be better, so they try to give advice during the race. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
They're pretty ruthless competitors but top-class sport is ruthless. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
And if you're not willing to be ruthless | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
then go and do something else. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:16 | |
I think big races are the thing that probably brings us together | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
a bit more than anything, because it's at that point where | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
it feels like it's us two against everyone else in the world | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
and I think that pushes us together more than anything. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Rather than each other pulling us together, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
everything else pushes us together. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
Almost every big race we've started, still on the start line | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
and it's like, you know, we're kind of in this together. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Do you think he would've achieved what he's achieved without you? | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
Without you pushing him on? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
I don't think he would've achieved that if I wasn't there. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
Not as good. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
He would probably argue that he would've still achieved it | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
but I don't think sometimes he realises what I can add to it | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
and how strong it is, the feeling that someone's chasing you | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
and you want to kind of push yourself on the whole time. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
And that he doesn't realise how strong it is | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
that there wasn't a day where he could back off or a session | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
that he could back off because I was chasing after him. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
And specially these last couple of years, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
I think I've been very important to him as a training partner, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
as someone he can talk to as well. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
Has that competitiveness in training ever spilled over? | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Yeah, it has spilled over, definitely, and... | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
Not so much in training sessions | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
but kind of training races where we've been doing races | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
that are low key and supposed to be fun. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
Like in 2012, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
we raced the Yorkshire Cross Country Champs and we were first and second | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
and we'd had a busy week and we should've just kind of | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
run in together or... But we were absolutely maxing it out | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
with a K to go and it was a couple of weeks later | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
that Alistair had tore his Achilles | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
so that was probably...went a long way to doing that. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
And if both of us had backed off 10, 15 seconds | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
in the last little bit, which we could've easily done, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
then we would've been fine. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
With those extra couple of years, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
Alistair's been able to take it that little step further than Jonny. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
And I think a little bit of that is Jonny's still the younger brother. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:05 | |
A little bit of, you know... | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
He needs to still come out of the shell a little bit and | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
just convince himself that he can kick Alistair's arse. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
Not that Ali's going to let him! | 0:16:16 | 0:16:17 | |
If Jonny does fall below Alistair's high standards, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
his big brother is quick to let him know. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
They are separated by a metre, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
as Alistair stops to bellow some encouragement | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
towards his younger brother. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
Gomez isn't broken yet. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
Gomez is still fighting for his world title. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
Oh, my word, it's Gomez's victory! | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
I'll be giving him a lot of stick for that. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
He's thrown a world title away today | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
for being a complete tactical numpty. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
Is that typical of their relationship? Yeah, absolutely. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
Alistair'll be the first one to criticise Jonathan. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
Like, whatever happens, even if he did something well, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
Alistair would pick something at him and tell him what he's doing wrong | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
so it just sums it up, really. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
But it was true, he was right in the end, weren't he? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
He was an absolute tactical numpty. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
But, no, Jonathan probably wouldn't take it from me obviously | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
but he'll take it from Alistair, being the older brother, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
and he obviously knows what he's on about, don't he, Alistair? | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Fast forward to his World Series victory in Gold Coast in 2015. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
Lessons had been learned and Jonny appeared on the verge | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
of becoming top dog in the Brownlee household. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
His chance to prove it came at the race in London at the end of May. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
But disaster struck. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
Jonny Brownlee has problems with his bike. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
He's remounted | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
but there's clearly a mechanical issue for Jonny Brownlee | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
before he's even got stuck into the first lap. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
Alistair took the win. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
Jonny was 42nd. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
That led to a significant injury which meant | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
that he was unable to compete in the Olympic test event in Rio. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:52 | |
After London, Jonny went to Switzerland to train, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
and it was there that he suffered a stress fracture in his hip. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
When injury strikes, | 0:17:58 | 0:17:59 | |
the boys turn to British triathlon's lead physio, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
Emma Deakin. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
The thing about athletes racing at this level, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
they're always pushing their bodies to the extreme, really. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
And a stress fracture is an injury, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:10 | |
it does what it says on the tin, really, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
it's like when a bone's stressed constantly, constantly, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
and I think you just get to the point where that's actually | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
tipped over the good side and then that causes a stress fracture | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
so there's loads of factors that can contribute as well | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
that we know about and that's the major thing, really, is | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
learning from that, for Jonny, so looking actually | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
what his training load was when he got his stress fracture, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
what was his nutrition like, what was his recovery like, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
and then we can look at all that to try and prevent it happening again. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
That was the first time in ten years that Jonny's had a long period | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
away from training and racing. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
So I think it was actually a good thing for him | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
and I think he's a better athlete now | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
and makes better judgment calls now because of that experience. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
Alistair, on the other hand, you know, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
has had a number of occasions in the last ten years, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
has had two or three months when he can't run, for instance, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
and he knows how to deal with it psychologically. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
It's Alistair's left ankle that has caused most of the problems. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
He might be the fittest, fastest and most determined | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
but injuries to that ankle have stopped him | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
from challenging for world titles in every year | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
since winning the Olympics. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
Kind of had a big conscious effort this year. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
Obviously had, you know, ankle reconstruction surgery, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
which is a big deal in itself. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
And I've been working very hard | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
doing everything I can with that ankle | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
and instead of doing the training that I think I need to do. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
And if something goes wrong with the ankle, something goes wrong | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
and that's a pain in the arse. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
I'm really doing everything I need to do kind of around the ankle | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
at the moment instead. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:47 | |
So, yeah, that's the limiting factor. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
Do you feel like you know that ankle better then your own ankle now | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
after all the times you've treated down the years? | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
I know this ankle better than any other ankle, yeah. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
So this is the one that had the reconstruction. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
Yeah, so basically he had two procedures at the same time. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
So he had the... In basic terms, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
he had the back of the ankle washed out and cleared out | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
so that the tendons could move properly and freely through the back | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
of the ankle, and then Alistair actually had a tendon | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
and a ligament on the outside of the ankle missing, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
so it was really unstable and then obviously he's quite | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
a toe-y runner, which means that you run in an unstable position | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
on an unstable ankle | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
so he had the lateral side of his ankle stabilised. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
I think you'd probably had, like, what, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
nearly three years of it being painful? Yeah. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
Yeah, so I think... On and off. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:37 | |
..that's the main thing, like, for me, the biggest outcome | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
of the operation was for Alistair to be able to run pain-free | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
because then I don't get... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
When you're injured or off or ill or whatever, you know, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
you don't feel quite right. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
I think that there's a lag, you know, cos you train so hard, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
you're competing and travelling and stuff. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Definitely you have a few weeks where you think, "Actually, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
"it's quite nice to relax a bit," but you don't feel quite right. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
You just feel...I just feel hot and bothered and not, you know, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
not quite with it. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:06 | |
I don't feel mentally with it, I don't feel physically with it | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
and, you know, you really miss the exercise. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
Alistair's good in terms of he's intelligent | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
and he researches it himself | 0:21:14 | 0:21:15 | |
and he's got his own ideas and his own opinions. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
I think my job is really just to find out options | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
and to look at sort of the best ideas around an injury | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
or best ideas around a treatment programme | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
and then let Alistair choose what he wants to do. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
Cos it's his body and it's his ankle and he's got to run so, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
yeah, I think that's the main thing. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
And when he does as he's told, he's really good. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
When he does as he's told, I like that. Yeah. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
And when he doesn't do as he's told, he just doesn't tell me. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
Alistair Brownlee's tactics have proved to be a stroke of genius. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
Alistair takes the win in Stockholm, a stunning success. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:55 | |
Have you got a favourite race win? | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
I won a race in Stockholm in 2013 where there was no way | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
I really should've won that race. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
I just chose my moment right on the bike to get away | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
and just had to hold on for dear life on the run. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
I wasn't really that fit and I was thinking, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
"These guys should be running me down." | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
But, yeah, just pure determination, really. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
What does winning feel like? | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
Winning feels very different depending on the event. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
I wanted to win the Yorkshire Cross Country Champs when I was 12, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
I think, just as much as I wanted to win the Olympics when I was 24. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
I've had some great experiences where I've thought, you know, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
"That was fantastic, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:30 | |
"I got everything out of myself that day, everyone was competitive." | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
You know, the Olympics was like that for me. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:35 | |
It was that kind of experience. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
I think if I've had | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
a really good day and I get beaten, you know, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
I might struggle to process it that bit more. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
But times when I've had a race and I think, "Actually..." | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
So, like in Yokohama when I raced last year, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
I just felt terrible for the whole race. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
The speed rises another notch. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Gomez has got him! | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
Gomez will win in Yokohama. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
I just had nothing. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:03 | |
The worst I've ever felt in a race in my life. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
'To cross the line in second, I thought, "This is brilliant." | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
'Like, "There's no way I should even be here,' | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
"I only got here by just putting myself through more | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
"than anyone else has," | 0:23:14 | 0:23:15 | |
and so I was actually really satisfied with that. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
So I think you can take something away from every performance | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
like that in a way, which is a good thing, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
but also it's a bit dangerous as well | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
because, you know, I don't like this attitude of, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
"I had a bad race but it's a learning experience." | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
I think that's a very convenient excuse to a lot of people - | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
why it's a good reason to have bad performances when it's not. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
'There is another threat and it comes from Spain. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
'Javier Gomez has five world titles to his name | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
'and should the 2012 silver medallist triumph in Rio, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
'he could claim to be the greatest of this great generation. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
'But if Alistair can become the first triathlete in history | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
'to defend an Olympic title, then that crown is arguably his.' | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
Gomez from the outside looks like he's played it very sensibly, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
"OK, I'm not going to be the best on a one-off occasion | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
"but I'm going to be consistent." | 0:24:04 | 0:24:05 | |
Whereas you love being the best on the big races. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
Yeah, Gomez has done a very good job of being consistent, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
there's no doubt about that. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:13 | |
It's a skill and, you know, he's absolutely nailed that skill | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
and done very, very well at it | 0:24:17 | 0:24:18 | |
and that's why he's won the world titles. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
I had the choice to race like that and try and win world titles, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
if I wanted, and trained differently and try and race differently. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
So it's the choice I made and I think it's been quite closer | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
than it looked, you know, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
just a few kind of unlucky little things and decisions I've made. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
It could've been very different in terms of the world titles. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
How does the rivalry with Gomez compare | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
to your rivalry with Jonny? | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
If indeed it is a rivalry with Jonny. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
Well, I'd much prefer Jonny to beat me than Gomez to beat me. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
I suppose that's the crunch of it. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
And, yeah, I think at the end of the day when it's done, that's that, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
and I want to beat both of them. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
I'm actually probably a bit more worried about Jonny | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
on a day than I am about Gomez. Why's that? | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
I think Jonny's got the capability to have a really, really good day | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
but, you know, I suppose come to the Olympics, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
yeah, I'd much preferred Jonny to beat me than I would Gomez. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
What does it feel like, beating Alistair? | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
I've beaten Alistair a few times. In Hamburg 2013, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
he'd tried to come round me with about 100 metres to go | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
and I knew that I was going to beat him then because he came, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
he'd just got past me and I had quite a lot left so I thought, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
"Right, see you later. I'm off now." | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
It's a sprint finish between the brothers. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
It's going to be tight between them | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
but it's Jonathan's win! | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
A first reaction is, you know, "Wow, I've won," | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
if I have won or had a great race | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
and the next reaction definitely is a bit, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
"That was a bit weird. I've upset the norm. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
"I shouldn't have beaten Alistair." | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
And some of that I really need to get over | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
because you kind of expect Alistair to win | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
and it means those days that we're equally as good as each other, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
he's more likely to edge it cos he's going to expect a win. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
And hopefully it's something that I've been able to change | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
in the last few years, is being able to expect to beat Alistair. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
I mean, I'll maybe not expect to, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
but not think of it as completely crazy if I do. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
I think Jonny obviously aims to, um, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
to be the main man in world triathlon. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
It would be a major achievement, not just because his brother | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
is his brother, but because Alistair is the best there has ever been. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
COMMENTATOR: 'He's coming home, he knows he's got it now, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
'it has been an absolutely fabulous performance.' | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
'Alistair Brownlee is the Olympic triathlon champion!' | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
No male triathlete has ever retained their Olympic title, have they? | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
So, you could be the first. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
And to have won two Olympic golds, for you, would just eliminate all | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
the World Championships in between, they'd be by the by, would they? | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
Yeah, absolutely. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:44 | |
I think, um, the one day in August this year makes the other | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
four years, um, a bit irrelevant, really. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
That said, if Gomez wins it, then it becomes very relevant, doesn't it? | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
And you still fancy yourself as the best one-off racer, do you? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
I like to think I'm still the best one-off racer, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
um, but, yeah, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
I'm not sure I've proved it or it's been tested in the last year or so. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
But I think you've got to tell yourself that, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
and, you know, I think if I can be in the shape | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
that I was in London, I think | 0:27:16 | 0:27:17 | |
I can be in position to win any kind of triathlon, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
and I'd like to think I'd be better than that, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
so, you've just got to keep telling yourself that and train towards it. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
I think everybody needs to recognise that we're not just | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
talking about a couple of brothers from next door, we're talking about | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
the best triathletes there have ever been in the history of the sport. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
Someone close to both of you told me once | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
that when the two of you have finished with triathlon, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
one of you will be successful and one of you will be happy. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
Which one do you think you were? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
I think people would probably say that, um, I'd be successful, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
because people would think that, like, I'd be driven | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
and I'd want to do something else. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:54 | |
If you ask him this question, he thinks he might be a history teacher | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
somewhere, but he'd be a useless teacher, I can't see him doing that! | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
I think I'd be the happy one. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
I'll do what I want to do, whether it is teaching or still | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
involved in sport, and that'll keep me happy. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
I can't see him not been involved in sport at some level, but I could see | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
that being coaching kids, you know, being on a track on a Tuesday night. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
He really likes the idea that he's going to be able to make | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
lots of money, um, in stocks and shares or something. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
Whether that leads to financial gain | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
or unhappiness or whatever, I don't know. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
But he'll try his best at it. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
Would you invest in him? | 0:28:28 | 0:28:29 | |
If he puts his own money in, I'd go with him. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
But I'd only ever copy his investment, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
so, I wouldn't let him do my money on his own. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
Some days, I wake up and think, actually, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
I'd love to do something else, you know, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
something in business or a completely different career, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
and prove that I could be successful at something else. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
Other days, I wake up and think, "Nah!" | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
I could live a nice life where I ride my bike to a cafe every day | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
and not worry too much. So, who knows? | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 |