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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
When Morecambe and Wise received a special award at this year's BAFTA, I wondered why it had taken so long. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:54 | |
Perhaps comedians are only appreciated when they can no longer make us laugh. | 0:00:54 | 0:01:00 | |
Easily taken for granted, they were around a long time, like furniture. And they were so wonderfully funny. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:07 | |
It seems like yesterday when we watched them on TV. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
In fact, Eric died 15 years ago. Ernie died earlier this year. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
They were not just our funniest double act, they compared with any double act, anywhere, any time. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:25 | |
If people have a sense of humour, they will laugh at Eric and Ernie. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
I interviewed them in 1972. We're going to revisit that tonight. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:36 | |
Raquel Welch was on the same show. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
We start with a short clip from her interview, because it sets up what followed from Morecambe and Wise. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:47 | |
Were you a good-looking kid? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
I don't think I was. I had a parting in the middle and braids | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
and my dad always said that I should be...I don't know, sort of...neat. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
I wasn't allowed ruffles, or to have my hair in curls like other girls. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:06 | |
So I never really thought of myself as pretty-pretty. But when I... | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
when I got a little older, the equipment arrived. LAUGHTER | 0:02:10 | 0:02:16 | |
I thought, "Gee, this is terrific. Maybe I should try it out little." | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
-And I'd sort of strut my stuff around, to see how it worked. And it worked pretty good. -I'll bet. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:32 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
APPLAUSE DROWNS SPEECH | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
By golly. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
I was 15 when my equipment arrived. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
I'm bigger than you thought, aren't I? | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
I was 40 when it left. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
I'm 45, now. I think it's coming back again. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
-There's hope for us all. -There is. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
I was saying you've been together for a long time, some 30 years, now. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
-He had the operation yesterday. -Yes. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
How young were you when you went on stage first? | 0:03:24 | 0:03:29 | |
-On stage professionally, or at the beginning? -As yourself. -Seven. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
-Yes, I used to perform in a double act in the clubs and up the country. -What kind of double act was it? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:41 | |
ERIC SNIGGERS I was... It was very good. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
It was. I've heard it was very nice. Do a bit. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
-What happened was, I used to... -With his dad, you know. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
This is very sensitive and dear to me. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
-My dad and I used to go around the clubs. -What was the name? -We were called Bert Carson and Kid. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:06 | |
He was Bert Carson. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
-We did hit numbers... -His father was a midget, you know. Like that. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
Hit numbers like... # I'm knee-deep in daisies... # | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
And I used to do a clog dance. And the little legs used to go... | 0:04:19 | 0:04:25 | |
Oh, yes! There'd be steam and fur burning. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
And...It Happened On The Beach At Bally-Bally, Winter Wonderland... | 0:04:28 | 0:04:34 | |
Then the big number. Dad put on a white suit, blacked up, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
like a minstrel, singing, # Little pal... # I was on his knee. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
Lying down, asleep. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
I was only about that big, wasn't I? | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
-You're not much bigger now. -I feed him! | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
And why not? He'd sing, # Little pal, if Daddy goes away... # | 0:04:51 | 0:04:57 | |
HE GABBLES NEXT LINE | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
-He didn't do it like that! -I cut it down. He did nine choruses! | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
# If some day I should be on a new daddy's knee, don't forget about me, little pal. # | 0:05:05 | 0:05:11 | |
-Great. -Then he'd drop him and run. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
-It was the back of my jacket. -Can you match that experience when you first started? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:22 | |
No, my dad's a tall fella. Yes. No. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
No, I started off in amateur concerts at Miss Hunter's dancing class over the Plaza. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:32 | |
That was at Morecambe. I used to live at Christie Avenue, number 43 | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
and our Peggy used to live at 23, Christie Avenue. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
She came down in about 1930...1937, and she said, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
"Sadie...." | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
That's my mother's name. Aunty Sadie, she used to call her, cos she liked her. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:53 | |
"Aunty Sadie, I'm taking dancing class." Mother said, "How much?" | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
Our Peggy said, "A shilling." She said, "Take him with you. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
"Keep him out the way on Saturday mornings." I was the only boy there. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
-Really. Then I had private lessons. -ERNIE SPLUTTERS | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
And I ended up as the only GIRL there. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
He grew his hair. They were never sure. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
-When did you meet? -What? | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
Oh, him and I? Yesterday morning, wasn't it? | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
-I wish you'd introduce us. I don't know him. -Where did we first meet? -My audition. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:33 | |
That's right. I saw his audition. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
I won the Lancashire and Cheshire Contest in Hoylake, just outside Liverpool, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:42 | |
We worked with Glenda Jackson. She comes from Hoylake. Quickly. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:47 | |
It was at Manchester. You gave this audition. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
The first prize was an audition - no money, an audition. And he was with Hylton at the time, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:58 | |
-and he saw my audition. -What did you do? You had the top hat... | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
-I did double acts in those days - Flanagan and Allen, I used to do. -Flanagan and Allen. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:09 | |
-Yes. -By yourself? -Yes. -How? -I have false legs. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
It's true. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
I'd just put this battered top hat on and sing # Underneath the arches... # | 0:07:16 | 0:07:22 | |
I used to do that a lot. I still do. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
-It's a gift. -Then you began the act together. Clubs and things, was it? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:31 | |
-We have worked clubs, but not a lot. -No. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
The first act we did... When we started, we were both doing singles. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:40 | |
I was doing a single act. I did Run Rabbit Run. I was all sophisticated, with a straw hat and white coat. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:47 | |
I had a comedy image before that with a bowler hat and a 'tache. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
But then, I was doing this sophisticated act and I met Eric in Swansea. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
I was being what they called a droll comic in those days. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
I sang I'm Not All There. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
LAUGHTER He's still doing it. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
I hated it really, cos I was about 13, 14, 15. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
I hated singing that song, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
cos I had to dress up in a beret, the kiss curl, the big glasses and a lollipop, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
a cut-down coat with a pin, short trousers, red socks and suspenders. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:28 | |
-It was basically a Northern idea of comedy. -The interesting part was, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
-I had almost the same outfit. -But he wore it outside. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:40 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
-The funny thing about it was that we both had this very big safety pin that used to fasten the jacket. -Yes. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:47 | |
What about other acts at the time? | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Do you have any memories of them on the bill? | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
-Well, the double acts. That's where we got our double act. -Excuse me. Ta. | 0:08:54 | 0:09:00 | |
-I'll stop talking(!) -I wasn't doing business. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
-You're not? -No. -It's probably neat gin, I should think. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
-We used to work with other acts... -Yeuch! | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
Water. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
-Moon and Bentley. -Moon and Bentley. -Georgy Moon and Dick Bentley. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
-They used to do a double act. -Great act. -Very funny. Marvellous. And we would...emulate. -Is that the word? | 0:09:23 | 0:09:31 | |
-On the side of the stage. We emulated them... -How much emulating did you do? -A lot! | 0:09:31 | 0:09:37 | |
Between 12 and 17, I never stopped. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
Was that before or after you got the equipment? | 0:09:46 | 0:09:52 | |
Instead of. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:52 | |
So... | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
I've got a small arse as well, you know. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
So, who were the influences on your career? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
-Oh yeah, Laurel and Hardy. -Laurel and Hardy. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
Honestly, perfectly seriously, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
if you analyse what we do at all, you will see a tremendous amount of Laurel and Hardy. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:27 | |
I watched them as a kid. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Stan...not Stan, the other one...Oliver Hardy. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
He was the first to USE a camera. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
He always looked. "Give me number three." He would go like that. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:42 | |
Straight out. Fabulous. You're not allowed to do it now. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
-We tried to do it in some films. -They wouldn't let us do it. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:54 | |
-We're in the camera, really. -Couldn't go on. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello influenced us to the extent that we had American accents. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:03 | |
-Really? -Yes. I'm waiting for him to lose his. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
Hullo, there. Great to be here. Woo-ooh! | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
I've got records at home of Ernie and I in early broadcasts of about 1941 | 0:11:11 | 0:11:17 | |
where we ARE Abbott and Costello - where we go, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
"I'm a bad boy! Ooh-ooh!" All that. I listen to them now and colour up. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:27 | |
-Yeah. -I blush. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
-"Now what are you going to do, Morecambe?" -"You can't get away with that!" | 0:11:29 | 0:11:37 | |
-We did, though. -They don't know Abbott and Costello. We're too old. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
When did you get to the West End? Before the War? | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
Ernie did. Ernie was there before the War. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
Well, I gave an audition to Brian Michie and I went to the Prince's Theatre | 0:11:50 | 0:11:56 | |
-and appeared there in the bowler hat, the little 'tache and the cut-down suit. -In about 1940, | 0:11:56 | 0:12:04 | |
-we did Strike A New Note. -What were you doing? -Sid Field. -Sid Field. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
-Beautiful girls in that show. -Beautiful. -They used to walk about naked. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:15 | |
-Yes, it's true. -Remember? Beautiful showgirls. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
Black shoes and black gloves. Like the five of spades. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
Fantastic. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:26 | |
HE MOUTHS I remember George Black said if he didn't blink once, he'd go blind. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:34 | |
That was when I started wearing these. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
That's where I got that from, you know. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
You could look in at the back of this hotel. Things went on there! | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
Those Americans were tearing it down. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
-That's where we learnt all about it. -Were you doing song and dance? | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
-Well, glorified. -We were never sure what we were - chorus boys, or... | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
-Chorus boy. -Do you know what a chorus boy is? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
I'll show you a chorus boy. Could we see one? Show him a chorus boy. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:09 | |
BIG BAND MUSIC | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
MALE CHORUS CROONS: # You were never lovelier | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
# You were never so fair | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
# You were never lovelier | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
THEY MIME: # Lovelier, lovelier | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
# Lovelier | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
# Lovelier | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
# Lovelier! | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
SOPRANO: # Lovelier! | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
APPLAUSE AND LAUGHTER | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
APPLAUSE DROWNS SPEECH | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
-Didn't know about that, did you? -No. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
He didn't know when he'd done it! | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Oh, dear me. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
-Patrick Moore looks extraordinary doesn't he? We all did. -He's playing pantomime, isn't he? -Who? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:13 | |
-He's not, is he? -He'll be good. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
He left the studio like that and went and bit somebody's neck! | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
Tell me, when you went... | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
You spent a tremendously long time on the road, playing the theatres after the War. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:37 | |
What was that like? Was it an enjoyable time, or what? | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
It was tough in the first place. You start in the small theatres then you move into the Moss Empires. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:49 | |
-We were always second spot. We had to register straight away. -What about the Glasgow theatres? | 0:14:49 | 0:14:56 | |
They were tough. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
-They had a thing against English comics. -Couldn't understand them. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:04 | |
Once, we came off to our own footsteps. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
The fireman was in the corner. He said, "They're getting to like you." | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
-They hadn't thrown anything. -They sat there. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
There's a comic - I won't mention his name - he fainted. Des O'Connor. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
-Won't mention his name. -APPLAUSE | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
He actually walked on and went, "Well..." | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
Out. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
-He was carried off. -Did they applaud? | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
-What for(?) -Oh, dear. -# Any time you feel lonely... # | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
And he was, that night. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
It must have been an extraordinary era to learn the business in - | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
survive that, you'll survive anything. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
-Basically. -The Windmill was the same. -Was it? -Oh, yes. Worse. Worse. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
-We followed... -We only lasted a week there. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
I became a nervous wreck. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
We did. Tell him the story. And let me interrupt. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
-Well, first of all we gave them an audition - van Dam. -He was known by his initials. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:17 | |
-LAUGHTER He was! -He was known as VD. -Yes. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:23 | |
Really. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
-We were quite shocked, weren't we? -Yes. We just laughed. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
But anyway, we gave an audition, little tiny room about that big. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
And he stood there and watched us do this performance. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
We did run-across gags. The pianist played. We sang the opening song - How About A Ramble In The Moonlight? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:46 | |
-He came on and did quickies - like with an urn. "What's a Greek EARN?" -30 bob a week. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:52 | |
-He was flabbergasted and he booked us. -There's a man outside with a funny face. -Tell him you've got one. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:59 | |
-The Invisible Man's outside. -Tell him I can't see him. Did all those. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:05 | |
Quick, though. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
-My dog's got no nose. How does he smell? -Terrible. -We did all those. We're doing them now. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:16 | |
We had a fishing rod, a stick with string on it | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
with an apple, to hang over the orchestra. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
-What are you doing? -Fishing. -You need a worm, not an apple. -The worm's inside the apple. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:31 | |
-It took years to drop that, didn't it? -We used to follow an orgy. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:37 | |
-An orgy? -An orgy. -We called it that. -It's nothing nowadays. but we called it... | 0:17:37 | 0:17:43 | |
I AM going bald! We called it an orgy. It was a thing called... | 0:17:43 | 0:17:49 | |
I'll have to get one of them. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
-LAUGHTER -It was thing called... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
Lilleth. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
We followed this orgy where all the girls strip off and they just stand there. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:03 | |
And we'd be on the side... | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
-setting the props. -With his props. I'd be ready to go on. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
-Not looking. He's very moral. -Yes. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
-On I'd go, singing the opening song. -Forgetting the words. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
Then I'd do the quickies. But the audience were all fellas out there. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
If somebody left the front row, they'd fight. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
They'd climb over to the front row to get near for the next show, cos it was continuous. We died, awful. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:36 | |
The opening line was "Hello, music-lovers." | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
Hello, music-lovers! | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
-No chance. They were climbing over the seats. You'd had it. They didn't listen to our witty jokes. -No. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:49 | |
Someone else didn't listen - the TV audience, the first time you did TV. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
I didn't know till I saw the cuttings, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
a cruel remark about your first TV series. Was it Logan Gourlie? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
-Logan Gourlie, in the People. He said... Have you got it? -You say it. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:08 | |
-You say it nicely. -I say it with venom. -Are we bitter and twisted? | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
If he looks back, he must regret what he said. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
"TV is the box they boried...buried Morecambe and Wise in." | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
YOU shouldn't have said it. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
He said, "What's that box there? Is it a TV set? No. That's the box they buried Morecambe and Wise in." | 0:19:25 | 0:19:33 | |
I should have done it. No argument there. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
And the other one was - | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
Alma Cogan was with us - "Alma Cogan stands out like a rose in a garden of weeds." | 0:19:39 | 0:19:45 | |
-And "Get 'em off." -He was to the point, wasn't he? | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
-What was the reason for this? -Very simple. It was terrible! | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
-We were. -I wish the BBC had kept the tapes. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
-They couldn't afford it, but I'd like to have seen them to see how... -In fact, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:10 | |
they weren't as bad as people make out. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
-They were only one a fortnight. -And it was the early stages of TV. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:19 | |
I'm sure they weren't THAT bad. But there's no record. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
Since when, this extraordinary rise to the top, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
that was nearly brought to a premature end four years ago today, when you had your heart attack. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:34 | |
I'll do anything for a laugh. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
-How are you feeling? You feeling all right? -Great. Never felt better. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
I thought that would happen with Raquel! | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
For a different reason. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
And in a different place. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-You nearly fell over the equipment! -It seems daft to ask, but was there a funny side to it? -The illness? | 0:21:01 | 0:21:08 | |
In a way, there was. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
I...We were working at this club in Batley, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
as assistant waiters. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
I got bit of a twinge in my arm and said to Ernie, "I don't feel too good. Can I go home tonight?" | 0:21:18 | 0:21:25 | |
-"I'll sign the autograph," I said. -"You sign it." Cos his wife always asks him for his autograph. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:33 | |
And, er... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
-She said you were good, tonight. -Yeah? | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
-I drove home in the car... Thank you. -OK. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
I drove home in the car... Cheers. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
I must say, you've got a lovely home. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
APPLAUSE AND LAUGHTER | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
And as I was driving home, the pain got worse and worse - | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
up both arms, across the chest, sweating. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
And driving along. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
Funnily enough, I didn't realise, fortunately, it was a heart attack, you see. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:12 | |
Because I'd have had a heart attack and died! | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
Because I always thought a heart attack was...ba-hai-ba-hai! | 0:22:15 | 0:22:22 | |
-But it's not at all. It's... -HE WHISTLES | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
-And... -It's like what? -ERIC WHISTLES | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
I thought I'd better pop myself into hospital. I was driving the car and it was getting worse. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:36 | |
This was about 1.30am. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
I stopped a fella in Leeds and I said, "I don't feel well, do you think you could...?" | 0:22:39 | 0:22:45 | |
I had a Jensen in those days. I said, "Could you take me to a hospital? I don't feel well." | 0:22:45 | 0:22:52 | |
Walter Butterworth. I'll never forget him. Not his real name, but I'll never forget it. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:59 | |
He said, "Yes. Oh, aye." | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
"Eh! You're... | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
"..Morton and White!" I said, "Yes, Morecambe and Wise." | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
He said, "I've never driven one of these. I'm in the Territorials. I've only driven a tank." | 0:23:12 | 0:23:18 | |
This is true. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
So he gets in and 7,000 quid goes pshoing...up the road. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
It was me, going a-a-ah! I got to the stage where I didn't care less. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:32 | |
So he takes me to a hospital and it's locked. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
True. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
He's going bang bang on the french windows. I'm going...like this. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
And these windows open like that | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
There's a fella in braces and pants going, "You can't come in here." | 0:23:45 | 0:23:51 | |
He goes, "Look!" "You can't." | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
He opens it a little crack and says, "This isn't a proper hospital. You want the main one up the road." | 0:23:55 | 0:24:02 | |
He explained where it was and Walter drove me. I got out the car and he ran. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:08 | |
It was up a hill. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
He went in there to try and get me some form of...wheelchair, you know. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:18 | |
He said, "Five minutes." I was there waiting. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
So I start to walk up this hill, like Quasimodo. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
I go in, and he's said to the fella "Eric Morecambe's out there and he's not well." | 0:24:27 | 0:24:34 | |
He wouldn't let him have a chair. I walk in. The fella goes, "Oh, yes!" | 0:24:34 | 0:24:40 | |
And he says to all the boils and the cuts and the slashes in out-patients', "Eh! It IS him!" | 0:24:40 | 0:24:48 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
It's true. My real name is Bartholomew. I never tell anyone, but it's Bartholomew. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:57 | |
He says, "You don't look good, son." "I'd like to sign myself into hospital." | 0:24:57 | 0:25:03 | |
He said, "Well, right." | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
"Name?" I thought, I won't say Bartholomew, I'll say Morecambe. "All right." | 0:25:10 | 0:25:16 | |
"Address?" Gave it. "Age?" I lied about that! | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
He said, "Lie down on that thing." So I'm lying down on the stretcher. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
Next thing, I'm being injected. Walter Butterworth is sat with me. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
I said, "Thank you for all your help." He said, "That's OK. My pleasure." | 0:25:32 | 0:25:38 | |
He said, "My mates won't believe this." | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
He says - and these are the exact words - | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
"Will you do us a favour?" "What?" | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
"Before you go, will you sign this?" | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
It's true, that! | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
Perfectly true. Four years ago, tonight. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
Extraordinary, this relationship you've had for the last 30 years. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
-Do you have a social relationship as well, Ernie? -Well, not really. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:14 | |
We don't really mix much. But we go to dos together. And we work together. We're together so much... | 0:26:14 | 0:26:20 | |
-We've been together today. -Yes. So we don't really... | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
-Eric, as you know, has his... HE MOUTHS -What? -Football. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
-Luton Town, yes. -You were with them. -You thought it was a brass band! | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
-Where were we? -We got lost! -We were going to ask you the same question. Where were we? Oh, yes! | 0:26:36 | 0:26:43 | |
I was going to ask you the thing people always ask - how do you get these personalities onto your show? | 0:26:43 | 0:26:50 | |
You have the knack of persuading the most unlikely people - | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
Andre Previn, Glenda Jackson, people like this. How do you do it? | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
Quite simple, really. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
-Our producer does it. John. -John. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
We say, "You'll never get her! You'll never get him!" | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
He touches his moustache. "We'll see." He rings them up. They say yes. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:17 | |
But they've got to agree to coming on with the two of you. They know what they're in for. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:23 | |
They're lining up to be insulted. I mean it in the nicest possible way. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:29 | |
But honestly, I think they know we will approach it professionally | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
-and we'll give them a good run for their money - that's what it is. -Yes. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:39 | |
-Have you contemplated splitting up, at all? -Not till now. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
How does the relationship work? Who decides what's funny? Who...? | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
Ernie does all the business side. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
We split the money equally - 60-40. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
-But you pay less tax. -Of course. Cos he gets 60, I get 40. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
What about other comedians? Do you have comics that you find funny? | 0:28:04 | 0:28:10 | |
-Yes. -Like who? -Tommy Cooper. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
-To me, he's one of the greats. -Funny mover. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
And...one of the...the other one who for me, I feel, is the way I'd like to end up in show business, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:24 | |
if I could get away - not get away, but if I could be like him, at his age - is Arthur Askey. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:30 | |
Cos I think he's a gentleman, you know. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
-He's got a wit, that makes me go... -He's quick. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
-Very. -But I'm more likely to end up like him, cos I'm nearer his size! | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
What about the people who make you laugh? | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
I agree, I like Tommy Cooper. I like funny movers, not so much talkers. I like funny talkers, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:53 | |
but comedians should move funny - besides talking funny. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
Jacques Tati said his humour begins in the feet. Is that true? | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
Yes. Comics have good legs. I mean that. Cos they do a lot of walking about. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:09 | |
If you're in a pantomime from 1pm to 11pm and you're on your legs, you need good legs. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:16 | |
-But the shape of Tommy Cooper's feet - you've got it too. -No. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
I've got dainty, pretty feet. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
-He only takes a six. -On that foot. 11 on the other. To make up for it. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
And I'm a six-and-a-half. Tiny feet. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
-What about movies? Your movies haven't been as successful as your TV series. -Not what we wanted. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:38 | |
-Does he mean "films"? -Yes. Not the blue ones. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
-The other ones. -Oh, the other ones. -Yes. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
-I'd like to make movies like this. -Like what? -He's doing rude signs. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
This is Pontefract in Yorkshire, the home town of the greatest sweet of all time, the Liquorice Allsort. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:57 | |
Pontefract is a monument to our sweet tooth. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
For over 100 years, the five factories making Liquorice Allsorts | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
have had their demand supplied by the home growers, but no longer. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:11 | |
They're now importing liquorice from Turkey. Consequently, the industry here has died. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:17 | |
This is positively the last crop of liquorice to be grown in Pontefract. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:23 | |
At the end of the year, no more. The end. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
-That was extraordinary. Where did you get that from? -Oh, we find 'em. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
-We know where the bodies are buried. -Would you like to make more movies? | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
-We got it off Lew Grade. -I look like I've got the lurgy. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
-See what I mean? -Frightening, isn't it? | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
But the thing is, that was done by making it up as I went along. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
-He's got fear in his eyes! He doesn't know what'll happen next. -I wonder what else you've got! | 0:30:59 | 0:31:06 | |
-Don't stand up quickly. -We haven't got to the photographs, yet! | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
What about making other movies, though? | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
What's the problem behind making them? | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
-Is it suitable scripts? -Yes. -We wish we'd made Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid. -Or The Odd Couple. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:25 | |
Or The Odd Couple. We do. Those are the films we'd have liked to have made, but... | 0:31:25 | 0:31:31 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
-I met a fella... -Did that remind you? -Yes. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
No, I met a fella in the hotel last week. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
He said, "I like your show. My mate wondered which one of you was bent!" | 0:31:42 | 0:31:48 | |
Charming! | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
-Well, you used to do scenes in bed together. -That's a Laurel and Hardy influence. -Yes. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:57 | |
You see, they did it in those days | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
and nobody said it was...er... you know, effeminate or anything. Nobody said that. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:06 | |
-In those days... -We didn't understand. -No. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
It was two men who slept together. Nowadays, it's considered wrong. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
That's why, in these bed routines, I always make it mannish as I can | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
by smoking a pipe. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
-The earrings... -I've never yet met a queer with a pipe! -The earrings are just accidental. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:30 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
-What about American audiences? -A lot of people are saying that. No, I like them, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:42 | |
-cos they're over there. -LAUGHTER | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
-You've worked there. -We did the Ed Sullivan Show. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
-A lot of Sullivan shows. -He introduced us as a three-handed act - Morey, Cambey and Wise. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:01 | |
-Really? -Morey, Cambey and Wise. -Like a seal act. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
-Morey, Cambey and Wise. -You've no ambition to go over there? | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to stay here. I love it here. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:15 | |
We're stars here and it's great. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
If the Americans want us to go over there they've got to do it here. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
They've got to buy the shows. I won't go there and say "sidewalk". | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
I will not say "garbage". | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
-That's pavement. -It's rubbish, if you ask me. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
And I'm not going to do it. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
Except for the money, that's all. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
-I'm just going to take the elevator. -Are you? -I think you're right. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:47 | |
"Take the elevator." It's the lift, you know. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
-Before you go... -Are we going? | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
-I thought it was going well. -It is. We've done over an hour! -Lovely. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:03 | |
Take you out, leave us in - great. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
-We can't ask for more money. -Why? -They've got this freeze on. -Oh, yes. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:11 | |
What about...? | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
Let's see. Two unexplained things for your fans. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
-One is them fellas in a deck chair. -The two old men. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
-Have you ever told the end of the joke on TV? -No. And we're not going to. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:27 | |
Two old men sat in deck chairs. One said, "It's nice, out." | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
The other old man says, "Then I'll take mine out." That is the gag. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
APPLAUSE AND LAUGHTER | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
The irreplaceable Eric and Ernie. Let's see a great sketch from a Morecambe and Wise show. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:52 | |
They persuaded Andre Previn to conduct Eric and the orchestra in Grieg's Piano Concerto. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:59 | |
They said it was the funniest sketch they ever did. Don't argue. Marvel. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:05 | |
-Thank you. -ORCHESTRA TUNES UP | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
-This the band? -This is the band. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
I've seen better bands on a cigar. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
Which one's the fixer? | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
-Which one? -Which one? -The one in the gold lame suit. -They usually are. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
Right! I'll go and get the music. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
-Incidentally, where's the piano? -It's... | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
Never mind, this'll do. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
-I hope you understand all these squiggly lines. -I think so. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
-Good, because the second movement is most important to me - not too heavy on the banjoes there. -Oh, no! | 0:35:46 | 0:35:53 | |
-Keep it down. -Yes... -Watch that rrrngg chhnk rrngg chhnk - vulgar! | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
-Way down. -That's the word I was looking for. Good. That is me there. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
There, look. Me, playing the Grieg piano concerto. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
-A signed autograph later on, boys. -If I could explain to Mr Preview. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
Notice that Eric plays the ORIGINAL version of the concerto. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
The one before we went decimal. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
-But this is NOT the original version. -Not the original? -No. no. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
After the opening timpani roll, in the original the piano takes over. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
In here, you've got that played by the full orchestra. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
Ah, yes, but...this is a special arrangement. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
A special arrangement of the Grieg? I've never heard of that. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
That's the idea! Everybody plays it this way. We'll be different. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:49 | |
-Whatever you say. -I'll announce it. -Yes, do. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
-You're doing well. -Thank you. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, tonight, Grieg's piano concerto by Grieg... | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
soloist Mr Eric Morecambe, conducted by Mr Andre Previn. Thank you. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
ORCHESTRA PLAY OPENING BARS | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
SILENCE, THEN LAUGHTER | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
What's the matter? | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
-Sorry! -What happened? | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
-The introduction. -It's wrong? | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
-Too short. -It's too short! -Oh, you noticed? | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
-By how much is it too short? -Well, I went down here... | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
-and came back.. -You wasted some time. -I wasted time there, yes. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
Over here...and it's about... I'd say about that much. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:53 | |
-About a yard? -It's about a yard. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
-A yard. -If you lengthen it by about a yard, we'll be in. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
-What can we do about that? -Don't ask me, ask my musical manager. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:06 | |
-Could we contact Grieg? -Good idea! | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
-Call him on the phone? -Why not? -I didn't bring his phone number. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
It's Norway something or other. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
-What's the code? -Fingal's Cave, isn't it? -Fingal's Cave. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
Mind you, he could be out skiing. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
Look, could we just try it again? | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
-Tell you what, this time I'll sit there waiting! -What a good thought! | 0:38:27 | 0:38:33 | |
-I'll announce it again. -All right. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
Grieg's piano concerto, soloist Eric Morecambe, conductor Andrew Preview. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
ORCHESTRA PLAY OPENING BARS | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
What? | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
-Any time. -Could I have a word with you, please? | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
What happened there? | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
It's one of those things where... | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
-Has he gone? -No, he's over there. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
-You see - I hope you don't mind me saying this... -No. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
-When you got to my cue... -Mmm. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
-I couldn't see you for the lid of the piano. -Yes. -It was in the way. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
-Was it? Yes it was. -Yes. -In the way. -I don't know what we can do. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
-He wants to be taller, doesn't he? Could you wear high heels? -Again? | 0:39:29 | 0:39:34 | |
-You don't have to, you know. -I don't know what we can do. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
I have a suggestion. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
Would you jump up in the air... | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
so I can see you over the lid of the piano? | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
You want me to jump up on the rostrum, so you can see my cue? | 0:39:48 | 0:39:53 | |
Yes, I mean, if you'd do that for me, you know? If you'd...do that. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
I'll do that for you. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
-I'll announce it. -Nice man, isn't he? -Isn't he charming? | 0:40:00 | 0:40:05 | |
Grieg...with him and him! | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
-Great! -You got it! | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
HE PLAYS A JOLLY TUNE | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
Something wrong with the violins? | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
-No, they're fine. -That's your opinion. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
What... What were you playing, just then? | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
A Greek piano concerto. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
But you're playing... You're playing all the wrong notes. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
I'm playing...all the right notes. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
But not necessarily... in the right order. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
I'll give you that. I'll give you that, sunshine. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
That sounded quite reasonable to me. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
Are you satisfied, Mr Preview? | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
-No! -No! What do you mean, no!! | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
-I'm not satisfied. -Why not?!! | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
Look, would you mind? Just... | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
Another £4, we could have got Edward Heath! | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
HE PLAYS GRIEG PIANO CONCERTO | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
Rubbish. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
HE PLAYS A JOLLY TUNE | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
That's it! You got it! | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
LOUD APPLAUSE | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
They were, they are the best. Next week, Hollywood men, | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
interviews with Tony Curtis, Jack Lemmon, Orson Welles, Kirk Douglas, | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
James Stewart, Henry Fonda, Yul Brynner, Dustin Hoffman, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
Robert Redford, John Wayne and James Cagney. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
If that doesn't entice you, then nothing will. Good night. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
Subtitles by BBC Subtitling - 1999 | 0:43:54 | 0:44:00 |