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Tonight, we're celebrating one of our most successful songwriters | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
whose love affair with words is both irrepressible and inexhaustible - | 0:00:04 | 0:00:09 | |
lyricist Sir Tim Rice. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
The man who took Jesus Christ from the page to the stage | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
and crowned his talent with The Lion King. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Flashback to the '60s, Tim Rice, legal intern and wannabe pop star | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
meets Andrew Lloyd Webber, prolific young composer, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
a legendry partnership is born and Tim becomes a superstar writer. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:31 | |
Tonight, some classics from Tim's Song Book | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
are performed by stars including | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
Tom Chaplin... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
# Can you feel the love tonight? # | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
..Gemma Arterton... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
# I don't know how to love him. # | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
..Alexander Armstrong... | 0:00:49 | 0:00:50 | |
# John, sing in unison. # | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
..Cynthia Erivo and Frances Ruffelle... | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
# So good | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
# Wasn't it fine? # | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
..Rob Brydon... | 0:01:01 | 0:01:02 | |
# It's easy for you. # | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
..Sophie Ellis-Bextor... | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
# So what happens now? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
# So what happens now? # | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
..Roger Daltrey... | 0:01:13 | 0:01:14 | |
# Won't you tell me | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
# Cos I just want to know. # | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
..Laura Mvula... | 0:01:20 | 0:01:21 | |
# It's the circle of life. # | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
..and Rufus Wainwright. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
# Don't cry for me Argentina. # | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
Wow. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
Now, Tim, let's begin | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
with the question you always get asked at school, | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
what do you want to be when you grow up? | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
Now, neither of us have grown up really, but | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
what... Did you have an answer to that when you were at school? | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
Well, not a really decent answer. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
I...I was supposed to be doing something very respectable, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
the law or accountancy or the church, but erm... | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
And I did have a go at the law but what I really wanted to do secretly | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
was to get into the pop world and I...I fancied myself as a... | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
as a pop star and I still do sometimes. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
AUDIENCE LAUGHS | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Now, I've got a letter here, Tim, or a copy of a letter that you wrote, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
which was quite important in your life. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
It says, "Dear, whoever it is..." | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
Will be revealed at the end. "..I've been given your name. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
"Mr Elliott told me you were looking for | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
"a with-it writer of lyrics for your songs | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
"and as I've been writing pop songs for a short while now | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
"and particularly enjoy writing the lyrics, I wondered if you'd | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
"consider it worth your while meeting me." | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
Who was that to? | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
Well, that, of course, was Andrew Lloyd Webber | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
and erm, I was recommended him by Desmond Elliott, book publisher, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
erm, and the first thing I thought, "Andrew Lloyd Webber, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
"he'll have to change his name if he's going to make it." | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
AUDIENCE LAUGHS | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
But when I went round to meet him, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
I realised I was in the presence of a very, very talented young musician. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
-What did he play you? -He said, "How do you do? My name's Andrew | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
"Lloyd Webber, I've written eight musicals. Here's one of them," | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
and he just sat down and began playing wonderful tunes | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
and I thought, "I...I will get in on this." | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
How early in the relationship did Superstar emerge? | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
I guess it was probably two years after we'd been writing and failing | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
with other projects that we finally got going on Superstar, but no-one | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
wanted to know. We...we had to do it as a record instead of a show | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
and that was a very last minute, desperate resort, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
but in fact that was what made it much better because it was more rock. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
Doing it on record really made Superstar the hit it was. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
Had you got any idea of the impact it was going to have | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
and how it was going to change your lives? | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
No, obviously not, you, you don't expect that sort of success. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
I mean, even now, well, one is very grateful if something works | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
and that worked in a big, big way and we were just... | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
It was good timing. Erm, it was a good idea, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
although we didn't think it was at the time, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
when everybody said, "No, we don't want to do it," | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
and we were very lucky. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:12 | |
Well, I think it's time we heard some music. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
Our first guest is no stranger to creating a hit. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
His award-winning musical Matilda is playing to packed houses | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
in the West End and on Broadway. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
He first sang Judas in his family living room. The rest is history. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
Singing Heaven On Their Minds from Jesus Christ Superstar, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
please welcome musician, composer, actor, comedian and writer, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
Tim Minchin. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
# My mind is clearer now | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
# At last | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
# All too well | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
# I can see | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
# Where we all | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
# Soon will be | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
# If you strip away | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
# The myth | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
# From the man | 0:05:17 | 0:05:18 | |
# You will see | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
# Where we all | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
# Soon will be | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
# Jesus | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
# You've started to believe the things they say of you | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
# You really do believe | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
# This talk of God is true | 0:05:38 | 0:05:45 | |
# And all the good you've done | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
# Will soon get swept away | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
# You've begun to matter more | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
# Than the things you say | 0:05:51 | 0:06:00 | |
# Listen, Jesus | 0:06:02 | 0:06:03 | |
# I don't like what I see | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
# All I ask is that you listen to me | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
# And remember I've been your right-hand man all along | 0:06:11 | 0:06:17 | |
# But you have set them all on fire | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Ha! | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
# They think they've found the new Messiah | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
# And they'll hurt you when they find they're wrong | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
# I remember when this whole thing began | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
# No talk of God then We called you a man | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
# And believe me | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
# My admiration for you hasn't died | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
# But every word you say today | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
# Just gets twisted round some other way | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
# And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
# Nazareth, your famous son should've stayed a great unknown | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
# Like his father carving wood He'd have made good | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
# Tables, chairs and oaken chests would have suited Jesus best | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
# He'd have caused nobody harm | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
# No-one alarm | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
# Listen, Jesus Do you care for your race? | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
# Can't you see we must keep in our place? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
# We are occupied | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
# Have you forgotten how far down we are? | 0:07:31 | 0:07:37 | |
# I am frightened by the crowds | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
# For we are getting much too loud | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
# And they'll crush us if we go too far | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
# If we go too far | 0:07:50 | 0:07:58 | |
# Listen, Jesus to the warning I give | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
# Please remember I just want us to live | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
# But it's sad to see our chances weakening with ev'ry hour | 0:08:20 | 0:08:28 | |
# All of your followers are blind | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
# They've too much heaven on their minds | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
# It was beautiful but now it's sour | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
# Yes, it's all gone sour | 0:08:41 | 0:08:48 | |
# Listen, Jesus to the warning I give | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
# Please remember that I want us to live | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
# Come on, come on Why won't he listen to me? | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
# Oh-oh | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
# Oh-oh-oh | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
# It's all | 0:09:05 | 0:09:13 | |
# Gone | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
# Sour. # | 0:09:16 | 0:09:25 | |
Thank you, thank you, Tim. Thank you very much. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
All the lyrics are so simple and so deceptively simple, aren't they? | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
Well, I'm trying to, always with characters, trying to make it that... | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
that...that more or less you could read them | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
and they would work as speech. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
We're going to hear I Don't Know How To Love Him. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Did it come to you straight away or...? | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
No, the original lyric I wrote for this tune | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
was called Kansas Morning and obviously it wasn't in Superstar. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
Erm, and, and it was a very bad lyric | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
when we were trying to sell this, this beautiful tune and my bad lyric | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
as a pop song and nobody wanted to know because the lyric was so awful | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
but when, erm, we came to write Superstar, Andrew said, "Well, I've | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
"got that wonderful tune, Kansas Morning," | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
and I wrote a new lyric for it and it was a better lyric | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
and...and the song became a hit. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:22 | |
It all came together. Well, let's hear it. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
I Don't Know How To Love Him and to sing it, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
we're thrilled to have an artist from the James Bond film | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
Quantum Of Solace, Gemma Arterton. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
# I don't know how to love him | 0:10:47 | 0:10:54 | |
# What to do, how to move him | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
# I've been changed | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
# Yes, really changed | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
# In these past few days | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
# When I see myself | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
# I seem like someone else | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
# I don't know how to take this | 0:11:21 | 0:11:27 | |
# I don't see why he moves me | 0:11:28 | 0:11:34 | |
# He's a man | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
# He's just a man | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
# And I've had so many men before | 0:11:40 | 0:11:47 | |
# In very many ways | 0:11:47 | 0:11:53 | |
# He's just one more | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
# Should I bring him down? | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
# Should I scream and shout? | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
# Should I speak of love? | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
# Let my feelings out? | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
# I never thought I'd come to this | 0:12:12 | 0:12:18 | |
# What's it all about? | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
# Don't you think it's rather funny | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
# I should be in this position? | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
# I'm the one | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
# Who's always been | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
# So calm, so cool | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
# No lover's fool | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
# Running every show | 0:12:56 | 0:13:02 | |
# He scares me so | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
# I never thought I'd come to this | 0:13:21 | 0:13:28 | |
# What's it all about? | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
# Yet, if he said he loved me | 0:13:38 | 0:13:44 | |
# I'd be lost | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
# I'd be frightened | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
# I couldn't cope | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
# Just couldn't cope | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
# I'd turn my head | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
# I'd back away | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
# I wouldn't want to know | 0:14:05 | 0:14:11 | |
# He scares me so | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
# I want him so | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
# I love him so. # | 0:14:20 | 0:14:30 | |
Amazing. Is it hard to write for a woman? | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
No, I think it's, erm, interesting really. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
It's like... I think it's...it's... | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
Blokes don't normally like revealing too much of their emotion, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
so it's a good...good way of doing it by doing it through | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
what you conceive to be the eyes of a woman. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
I'm going to reread all your feminine lyrics. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
Erm, do you, when you hear a song, do you know | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
-if it's going to be a hit or not? -No. -Can you...? -No. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
You don't? Isn't there some story about you entering a competition, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
though, at some point? | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
Well, er, yes. I entered a competition erm, in The Sun. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
Somebody else's copy, obviously. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
Erm... | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
and it...it was just before we...we'd had success with Superstar | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
and the idea was to prophesy the top 10 in a month's time. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
And erm, I prophesied, erm, that | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
Lee Marvin's Wandering Star, which at that time was number 48 | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
or something on the chart, I...I put it down as number one on a hunch, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
mainly because I loved the lyrics of Alan Jay Lerner. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
And it went to number one, but I didn't get all the others right | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
in the top 10, so I was a little bit disappointed and then I got a call | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
from The Sun or a letter rather, saying, "Congratulations, Tim, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
"you have won first prize," which was to go to Luxemburg | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
and be a disc jockey for 20 minutes. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
Wow, wow. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
And, and then after that, I heard nothing for about six weeks | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
and I rang up The Sun and I said, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
"When am I going to Luxemburg?" And they said, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
"Oh, you don't really want to go, do you?" | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
I said, "Yes, I do." And they, they got the gardening correspondent | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
reluctantly to accompany me to Luxemburg. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
And when I got to Luxemburg, they said, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
"Who are you and why are you here?" | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
But I got on air and I think I played Superstar by Murray Head. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
-You slipped it in? -Yes, well, it had just come out | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
and Tony Prince, I think was the DJ, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:27 | |
and I said, "Look, this is a great record," and he said, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
"Well, it's not bad," and we played it. Luxemburg were good to us. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
The British radio didn't want to know, but Luxemburg did. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
Let's hear that song now. The title song from Jesus Christ Superstar | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
and here to sing it, an absolute superstar, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
who sang the role of Judas in 1996, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
believe it or not, Roger Daltrey. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
# Ev'ry time I look at you I don't understand | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
# Why you let the things you do get so out of hand | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
# You'd have managed better if you'd had it planned | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
# So why'd you choose such a backward time and such a strange land? | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
# If you'd come today you would've reached a whole nation | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
# Israel, 4BC had no mass communication | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
-# Don't you get me wrong -Don't you get me wrong | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
-# Don't you get me wrong, now -Don't you get me wrong | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
-# Don't you get me wrong -Don't you get me wrong | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
-# Don't you get me wrong, now -Don't you get me wrong | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
-# Only want to know -Only want to know | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
-# Only want to know, now -Only want to know | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
-# Only want to know -Only want to know | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
-# Only want to know, now -Only want to know | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
# Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
# Who are you? What have you sacrificed? | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
# Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
# Who are you? What have you sacrificed? | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
# Jesus Christ Superstar | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
# Do you think you're what they say you are? | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
# Jesus Christ Superstar | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
# Do you think you're what they say you are? | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
# Tell me what you think about your friends at the top | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
# Who d'you think besides yourself was the pick of the crop? | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
# Buddha was he where it's at? Is he where you are? | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
# Could Mahomet move a mountain Or was that just great PR? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
# Did you mean to die like that? | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
# Was that a mistake or | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
# Did you know your messy death would be a record breaker? | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
-# Don't you get me wrong -Don't you get me wrong | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
-# Don't you get me wrong, now -Don't you get me wrong | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
-# Don't you get me wrong -Don't you get me wrong | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
-# Don't you get me wrong, now -Don't you get me wrong | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
-# Only want to know -Want to know | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
-# Only want to know, now -Only want to know | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
-# Only want to know -Only want to know | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
-# Only want to know, now -I only want to know | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
# Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
# Who are you? What have you sacrificed? | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
# Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
# Who are you? What have you sacrificed? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
-# Jesus Christ... -Jesus! | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
# Do you think you're what they say you are? | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
# Jesus Christ Superstar | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
# Do you think you're what they say you are? | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
# Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
# Don't get me wrong Don't you just get me wrong | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
# Don't you get me wrong Don't get me wrong | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
# Who are you? What have you sacrificed? | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
# Jesus Christ Superstar | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
# Do you think you're what they say you are? | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
# Jesus Christ Superstar | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
# Do you think you're what they say you are? | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
# I really wanna know | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
# Are you what they... | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
# Say you... | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
-# Please, tell me -..Are? # | 0:20:47 | 0:20:55 | |
Wow, thank you, thank you, Roger. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
-As, as a child, were you Meccano mad? -No. -Were you...? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
Typewriter, that was my favourite toy. My mum's typewriter. Fantastic. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
-I couldn't keep... That I had to play with. I loved it. -Really? | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
And in the end, she... I mean, I wrecked it because I was just | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
bashing away at it from the age of four | 0:21:23 | 0:21:24 | |
and, erm, eventually I inherited it. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
And it still worked and she...she got an electric one as a big boost. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
Did you, did you go and watch the Disney movies of the day? | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Yes, I loved the Disney, erm, films, really loved them. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
I must have seen Peter Pan, Cinderella, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
all those great early ones, Snow White, Bambi, Dumbo | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
literally dozens of times. I absolutely adored them. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
So, how was it you ended up working for Disney? | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
Well, animation had faded away a bit in the '70s and '80s | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
and Jeffrey Katzenberg and Michael Eisner were determined to bring | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
the Disney brand back in a big way. And they did that with Alan Menken | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
and Howard Ashman who wrote two beautiful scores for Little Mermaid, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
erm, and Beauty and the Beast, which were mega hits. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
And they were so successful, they then wanted to do more than one film | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
at once. So, while Alan was working on, erm, Aladdin, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
I was...I was brought in to work on Lion King and I was told, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
"You can have any composer you want," so I said, "Well, Elton John." | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
And they said, "All right, we'll get him." | 0:22:21 | 0:22:22 | |
I said, "You won't get him," but they got him. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
AUDIENCE LAUGHS | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
And that's how you ended up working with Elton. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
And once I got Elton, erm, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
I would say that the greatest favour I did Disney was to get Elton John | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
into the team because he, he wrote just a wonderful, | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
-wonderful score for The Lion King. -I think it's time we heard one. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
Disney's classic love song from The Lion King. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
1994 Academy Award winner for Best Song can still be heard | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
on the West End stage, after its premiere, 15 years ago. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
Tonight, sung by Keanes lead singer, the sublime-voiced Tom Chaplin. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
Thank you. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:04 | |
# There's a calm surrender | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
# To the rush of day | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
# When the heat of the rolling world | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
# Can be turned away | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
# An enchanted moment | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
# And it sees me through | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
# It's enough for this restless warrior | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
# Just to be with you | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
# And can you feel the love tonight? | 0:23:48 | 0:23:55 | |
# It is where we are | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
# It's enough for this wide-eyed wanderer | 0:24:04 | 0:24:11 | |
# That we got this far | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
# And can you feel the love tonight? | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
# How it's laid to rest? | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
# It's enough | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
# To make kings and vagabonds | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
# Believe the very best | 0:24:39 | 0:24:45 | |
# There's a time for everyone | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
# If they only learn | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
# That the twisting kaleidoscope | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
# Moves us all in turn | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
# There's a rhyme and reason | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
# To the wild outdoors | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
# When the heart of this star-crossed voyager | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
# Beats in time with yours | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
# Can you feel the love tonight? | 0:26:05 | 0:26:12 | |
# It is where we are | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
# It's enough for this wide-eyed wanderer | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
# That we got this far | 0:26:27 | 0:26:35 | |
# And can you feel the love tonight? | 0:26:35 | 0:26:41 | |
# How it's laid to rest? | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
# It's enough | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
# To make kings and vagabonds | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
# Believe the very best | 0:26:57 | 0:27:05 | |
# It's enough | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
# To make kings and vagabonds | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
# Believe the very best. # | 0:27:12 | 0:27:20 | |
Thank you. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:34 | |
Gorgeous, thank you, thank you, Tom. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
It was... I've got a book here that may bring back some memories. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
There's some amazing illustrations in here. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
Does that look familiar at all to you? | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
-Is that something you had at home? -Yeah, we did. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
The Wonder Book Of The Bible, this was, erm... I mean, I've often said | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
I use this for the story of Joseph, but I did also go back to Genesis. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
It's my favourite school story, erm, from the Bible and I never dreamt | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
that it would lead to so much good fortune for me, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
but this was the book. This was the book where I was browsing through it | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
for the best Bible story that we could have a go at | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
cos we were writing for, for a kids' school and I thought, "Yes, Joseph, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
"that...that really works." It's a great story. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
Do you remember writing Any Dream Will Do? | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
Yes, erm, I do remember. It was a very catchy tune. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
The first lyric I wrote for it was called, I Fancy You... | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
AUDIENCE LAUGHS | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
..and erm, it was...it was going to be for Herman's Hermits. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
Erm, and we...we thought Herman will love this one, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
HE HUMS: I fancy you, I think you're lovely. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
But it...but it never, it never got to Herman... | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:28:44 | 0:28:45 | |
..to his great relief, I think. Er... | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
You talk about it being a jaunty melody, a jaunty tune, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
but if you... The lyrics are... There's some sadness in the lyrics. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
-It's rather a melancholy lyric in a way. -I'm just going to quote, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
"Far, far away, someone was weeping, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
"but the world was sleeping. Any dream will do." | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
-Now that's quite sad, isn't it? -Well, it's... | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
Is there a sad side to you? | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
I guess so, I mean, not tonight, I hope, but erm, now and then, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
occasionally. Well, everybody is, I hope, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
a mixture of...of happiness and sadness. This is getting | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
philosophically rather corny, but erm, I... In, in that song, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
I think the, the very pretty tune that Andrew wrote, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
coupled with a slightly melancholy lyric, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
made it a stronger song. And people don't get that it's sad, really, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
because of the lovely tune. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
Well, I think we should hear it. Any Dream Will Do was a number one hit | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
and here to sing it tonight, with his own rendition, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
a big welcome for Devon-born folk singer, songwriter | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
and multi-instrumentalist, Seth Lakeman and his viola. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
# I closed my eyes | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
# Drew back the curtain | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
# To see for certain | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
# What I thought I knew | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
# Far, far away | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
# Someone was weeping | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
# As the world was sleeping | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
# Any dream will do | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
# I wore my coat | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
# With golden lining | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
# Bright colours shining | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
# Wonderful and new | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
# And in the east | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
# The dawn was breaking | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
# As the world was waking | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
# Any dream will do | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
# A crash of drums | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
# A flash of light | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
# My golden coat | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
# Flew out of sight | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
# Colours faded into darkness | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
# I was left alone | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
# May I return | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
# To the beginning | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
# As the light is dimming | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
# And the dream is too | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
# The world and I | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
# We are still waiting | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
# Still hesitating | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
# Any dream will do | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
# A crash of drums | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
# A flash of light | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
# My golden coat | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
# Flew out of sight | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
# Colours faded into darkness | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
# I was left alone | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
# May I return | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
# To the beginning | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
# As the light is dimming | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
# And the dream is too | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
# The world and I | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
# We are still waiting | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
# Still hesitating | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
# Any dream will do. # | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
Back to the day job. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
Do you...do you like making lists. Are you a good list man? | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
-I do nothing else in life, but make lists. -Really? -Yes. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
I get up in the morning, I make a list of... | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
Well, I've got a huge running list. It's been going since 1964 | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
of...of things to do and some of those things have been | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
-on the list since 1964. -Ah. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
Well, in Joseph, there is a list song, isn't there, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
which is a well-known technique for lyric writers. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
-Oh, well, the... -Which is Coat Of Many Colours. -Coat Of Many Colours. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
Yes, well, actually I feel a bit of a cheat on that because, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
erm, we had a very good review, I think in the Financial Times | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
of all papers, for erm, the lyrics of Coat Of Many Colours | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
and the critic, erm, listed all the colours and said, you know, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
red, yellow and green, orange, blue and purple, and whatever it is | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
and he said, "This is pure poetry. Tim Rice is a genius." | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
Actually, I hadn't written that. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
All I'd written was red and yellow and green and brown and blue. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
And the boys of Colet Court, we were... | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
erm, added lots of colours themselves, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
so they should get the credit, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
but they won't be getting the royalties. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
One of the key tools in a...in a lyric writer's armoury is rhyming. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
-Yes. -And are there any words that you've found impossible to rhyme? | 0:34:30 | 0:34:35 | |
A piece I wrote with the late, great Steven Oliver, erm, a musical, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
which was not wildly successful, erm, called Blondel, erm, we had a song | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
in it which addressed this problem of rhyming. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
And erm, Blondel is the court musician | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
who is trying to write a song for King Richard, the Lion Heart, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
and John, the evil nasty Prince John, points out that Richard is a word | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
that doesn't rhyme with anything, so he would be much better off | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
writing a song about John. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
Let's hear the song, No Rhyme For Richard and here to prove a point | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
is Pointless, Alexander Armstrong. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
# There's no rhyme for Richard | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
# Which'd be suitable | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
# You won't find a rhyme that'll fit | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
# When rhyming with Richard | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
# A hitch'd be indisputable | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
# Re-Richard, my tip is to quit | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
# But John | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
# The problems are gone | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
# Observe how the rhymes flow | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
# It's a phenomenon | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
# When you write your chanson | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
# It's easy with John | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
# A name with no rivals | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
# Well, maybe Yvonne | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
# Where upon | 0:36:09 | 0:36:10 | |
# I must now recommend | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
# You improve certain stanzas my friend | 0:36:15 | 0:36:21 | |
# With John | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
# This isn't a con | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
# For all your creations | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
# John's a sine qua non | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
# Oh, the plusses of John | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
# I'll continue anon | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
# For at our disposal's | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
# The whole lexicon | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
# So, poet, write on | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
# For instance | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
# There's venison and stone of scone | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
# I'm sure you will concede | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
# That in 1189 they're rhymes you may not need | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
# My growing reputation | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
# From here to Runnymede | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
# Gives you the chance to be the second Venerable Bede | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
# There's mastodon, automaton and don should not be missed | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
# Hoots mon, Peron pantechnicon, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
# Can Richard match this list? | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
# I see no use for skeleton | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
# But on the other hand | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
# The use of John with paragon | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
# Is something rather grand | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
# There's silicon and Amazon | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
# And more at your command | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
# Or tarragon | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
# Accordion | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
# Iguanodon | 0:37:36 | 0:37:37 | |
# Decathlon, Armageddon | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
# Celine Dion | 0:37:39 | 0:37:40 | |
# Jean Valjean 24601 | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
# Colon | 0:37:43 | 0:37:44 | |
# Chiffon | 0:37:44 | 0:37:45 | |
# Oberon | 0:37:45 | 0:37:46 | |
# Cameron, Bab-y-lon | 0:37:46 | 0:37:52 | |
# Tradition | 0:37:52 | 0:37:53 | |
# Tradition | 0:37:57 | 0:37:58 | |
# Ooh, John | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
# Coupon! | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
# Each time I swan | 0:38:13 | 0:38:14 | |
# Dyson! | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
# Around this great Kingdom | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
# Strap on! | 0:38:18 | 0:38:19 | |
# Mere Dicks are outshone | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
# In comparison | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
# Moron! | 0:38:24 | 0:38:25 | |
# All others seem wan | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
# My name in itself will | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
# Attract hangers on | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
# So be gone to the hole | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
# Where you write | 0:38:39 | 0:38:40 | |
# And erase every Richard in sight | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
# Won't you shout it for John | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
# Sing in unison | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
# Let the rest be consigned to | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
# Oblivion | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
# And let no simpleton | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
# Say, "Well, what about Ron?" | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
# Cos Ron's really Ronald | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
# And I am sheer John | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
# I'm nothing but John | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
# Immaculate John | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
# So, poet | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
# The time has come to spell it out | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
# Away with subtle hints | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
# Yes, I propose that you compose a tribute to your Prince | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
# A rose by any other name but John might smell as sweet | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
# My time has come, prepare to strum | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
# You'll love this job | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
# You have the perfect subject | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
# Me | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
# Go hit the quill | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
# Give me a thrill | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
# You'll love this job | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
# Cos Richard's obsolete | 0:39:57 | 0:40:03 | |
# What d'ya say? # | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
Thank you, thank you, Alexander. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
I should have, I should have counted the John rhymes there. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
-There must have been... -It's about 70 or 80, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
but I mean, the evil characters are always much more fun | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
and easier to write for. I mean, Scar in The Lion King, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
that song came quickest. That was a very quick one to write. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
If... I don't know what it is, it's about, you know, nasty blokes. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
There's something, maybe I identify with them. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
One of the...one of the things I know about you | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
and I think lots of people do, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:48 | |
is that you have a fantastic encyclopaedic knowledge and love for | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
the charts and all the songs that have gone into the charts. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
Well, yes, only up to about Duran Duran's fourth single. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
Erm, I lost track of it, really, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
about the end of...end of the '80s, I think. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
Erm, but I'm pretty good if you're going to ask me questions | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
-of sort of '54 to '65 and I'll get them. -Very good. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
When did you first become aware of the ABBA phenomenon? | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
Well, erm, Waterloo, obviously, and erm... | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
-Did you watch the Eurovision that night? -Er, I guess... | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
I've seen it so many times, I can't remember, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
erm, but probably yes. I mean, they were clearly very gifted. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
I mean, it was an unusually good record that was already being a hit | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
before even the Eurovision. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:30 | |
Extraordinary that the lyrics written in a second language. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Bjorn Ulvaeus is one of the best English lyric writers I know | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
and he's Swedish. He's, I mean, some of those ABBA lyrics | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
are just magnificent. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
How did it come about that you worked with them? | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
Well, I was a very huge fan of Bjorn and Benny | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
and indeed all of ABBA by the ninth or tenth number one, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:53 | |
as most of the world was and I had this idea for a musical | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
about the Cold War, based around chess and it was romance. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
And it was inspired by the Bobby Fischer, Boris Spassky | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
chess match in Iceland, which in 1972, at the height of the Cold War, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
was very important, even a chess board in Iceland mattered | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
in the Cold War and the confusing thing was, that the American guy | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
who was meant to be our guy, was a bastard | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
and the Russian guy, who was meant to be the enemy, was a jolly, nice chap. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
-That was, the original idea was yours. -Yeah, and I took it to Bjorn | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
and Benny. I thought, "Well, they'll never want to do it," | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
but I got them just at the right time. They were thinking that ABBA | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
had almost run its course and they liked the idea. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
-Wow. -I was, I mean, it was a terrific thrill | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
-for me to work with them. -Well, let's hear some songs from Chess. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
I Know Him So Well is a classic unforgettable duet from Chess | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
about two women loving the same man, another number one hit here | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
and to sing it tonight, please welcome Frances Ruffelle | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
and Cynthia Erivo. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:51 | |
# Nothing is so good it lasts eternally | 0:43:29 | 0:43:35 | |
# Perfect situations must go wrong | 0:43:36 | 0:43:42 | |
# But this has never yet prevented me | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
# Wanting far too much for far too long | 0:43:50 | 0:43:55 | |
# Looking back I could have played it differently | 0:43:56 | 0:44:02 | |
# Won a few more moments who can tell | 0:44:03 | 0:44:10 | |
# But it took time to understand the man | 0:44:11 | 0:44:17 | |
# Now at least I know I know him well | 0:44:17 | 0:44:23 | |
-# Wasn't it good? -Oh, so good | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
-# Wasn't he fine? -Oh, so fine | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
# Isn't it madness | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
-BOTH: -# He can't be mine? | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
# But in the end, he needs a little bit more than me | 0:44:37 | 0:44:43 | |
# More security | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
# He needs his fantasy | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
# And freedom | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
# I know him so well | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
# No-one in your life is with you constantly | 0:44:59 | 0:45:06 | |
# No-one is completely on your side | 0:45:06 | 0:45:12 | |
# And though I'd move my world to be with him | 0:45:14 | 0:45:20 | |
# Still the gap between us is too wide | 0:45:20 | 0:45:26 | |
# Looking back I could Have played things | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
# Looking back I could have played some other way | 0:45:29 | 0:45:34 | |
# Learned about the man before I fell | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
# I was just a little careless maybe | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
# But I was ever so much younger then | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
# Now at least I know him well | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
# But now at least | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
# I know I know him well | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
-# Wasn't it good? -So good | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
-# Wasn't he fine? -Oh, so fine | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
# Isn't it madness | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
# He won't be mine? | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
# Didn't I know | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
# How it would go? | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
# If I knew from the start | 0:46:12 | 0:46:18 | |
# Why am I falling apart? | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
# Wasn't it good? | 0:46:22 | 0:46:27 | |
# Wasn't he fine? | 0:46:27 | 0:46:28 | |
# Isn't it madness | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
# He won't be mine? | 0:46:31 | 0:46:36 | |
# But in the end he needs a little bit more than me | 0:46:36 | 0:46:41 | |
# More security | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
# He needs his fantasy and freedom | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
# I know him so well | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
# It took time to understand him | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
# I know him so well. # | 0:47:00 | 0:47:12 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
Thank you, thank you. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
And now, Someone Else's Story from Chess, | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
a poignant ballad sung tonight by Cynthia Erivo. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
# Long ago in someone else's lifetime | 0:47:48 | 0:47:55 | |
# Someone with my name | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
# Who looked a lot like me | 0:47:58 | 0:48:03 | |
# Came to know a man and made a promise | 0:48:03 | 0:48:09 | |
# He only had to say and that's where she would be | 0:48:09 | 0:48:15 | |
# Lately although the feelings run just as deep | 0:48:15 | 0:48:22 | |
# The promise she made has grown impossible to keep | 0:48:22 | 0:48:30 | |
# And yet I wish it wasn't so | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
# Will he miss me if I go? | 0:48:35 | 0:48:41 | |
# In a way | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
# It's someone else's story | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
# Someone else's life as taking part at all | 0:48:52 | 0:48:59 | |
# Yesterday the girl that I was fond of | 0:48:59 | 0:49:06 | |
# Finally could see the writing on the wall | 0:49:06 | 0:49:13 | |
# Sadly she realised she'd left him behind | 0:49:13 | 0:49:20 | |
# And sadder than that she knew he wouldn't even mind | 0:49:20 | 0:49:27 | |
# And though there's nothing left to say | 0:49:27 | 0:49:32 | |
# Would he listen if I stay? | 0:49:32 | 0:49:39 | |
# It's all very well to say You fool, it's now or never | 0:49:39 | 0:49:46 | |
# I could be choosing | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
# No choices whatsoever | 0:49:50 | 0:49:57 | |
# I could be | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
# In someone else's story | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
# In someone else's life and he could be in mine | 0:50:04 | 0:50:11 | |
# I don't see a reason to be lonely | 0:50:11 | 0:50:17 | |
# I should take my chances further down the line | 0:50:17 | 0:50:24 | |
# And if that girl I knew should ask my advice | 0:50:24 | 0:50:31 | |
# Oh, I wouldn't hesitate She needn't ask me twice | 0:50:31 | 0:50:38 | |
# Go now! I'd tell her that for free | 0:50:38 | 0:50:43 | |
# Trouble is, the girl is me | 0:50:43 | 0:50:50 | |
# The story is, the girl is me. # | 0:50:50 | 0:51:05 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
Tim, I'm just going to take the liberty of quoting | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
a bit of your lyric from the next song - | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
"She is eternal, long before nations lines were drawn, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:28 | |
"where no flags flew and no army stood. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:32 | |
"My land was born." | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
This was about the Cold War but it's... | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
it's scarily relevant today, isn't it? | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
Well, I guess so. I mean, that song, | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
The Anthem, is particularly about the fact that | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
it's hard for people to cast aside where they're from and indeed people | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
don't want to. And it was inspired a bit by the hymn | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
I learnt in my childhood - | 0:51:53 | 0:51:54 | |
I Vow To Thee My Country - it's that sort of emotion I wanted | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
to get, and Benny and Bjorn came up with a pretty strong tune for it. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
Well, let's hear it. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
Singing the show-stopper Anthem where the Russian chess master | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
Anatoly explains why he's deserting his country, is the extremely | 0:52:06 | 0:52:11 | |
charismatic and brilliant actor/singer, Julian Ovenden. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
# No man, no madness | 0:52:51 | 0:52:57 | |
# Though their sad power may prevail | 0:52:57 | 0:53:02 | |
# Can possess, conquer my country's heart | 0:53:02 | 0:53:09 | |
# They rise to fail | 0:53:09 | 0:53:16 | |
# She is eternal | 0:53:16 | 0:53:22 | |
# Long before nations' lines were drawn | 0:53:22 | 0:53:27 | |
# When no flags flew and no armies stood | 0:53:28 | 0:53:35 | |
# My land was born | 0:53:35 | 0:53:42 | |
# And you ask me why I love her | 0:53:42 | 0:53:48 | |
# Through wars, death and despair | 0:53:48 | 0:53:56 | |
# She is the constant | 0:53:56 | 0:54:02 | |
# We who don't care | 0:54:02 | 0:54:08 | |
# And you wonder will I leave her | 0:54:08 | 0:54:15 | |
# But how? | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
# I cross over borders | 0:54:23 | 0:54:28 | |
# But I'm still there now | 0:54:28 | 0:54:39 | |
# How could I leave her? | 0:55:06 | 0:55:13 | |
# Where would I start? | 0:55:13 | 0:55:21 | |
# Let men's petty nations | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
# Tear themselves apart | 0:55:27 | 0:55:36 | |
# My land's only borders | 0:55:36 | 0:55:42 | |
# Lie around... | 0:55:42 | 0:55:48 | |
# My heart. # | 0:55:48 | 0:56:04 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
Thank you. Thank you, Julian. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
What was the first record you ever bought? | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
Tommy Steele's Singing The Blues, on Decca. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
Which was a cover, wasn't it? | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
It was a cover of Guy Mitchell and I admire Guy Mitchell, | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
but I have to say that Tommy Steele was a rare example of the | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
British cover being better than the American original, cos Tommy was a... | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
had a real rock'n'roll and he slurred the words a bit, you know? | 0:56:37 | 0:56:42 | |
Singing the blues, and Guy Mitchell was very sort of straight. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
He was lovely, Guy, but it was... | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
He wasn't rock'n'roll and Tommy then was. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
And Elvis was a bit of a slurrer too, wasn't he? | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
Elvis was... Oh, Elvis, I mean, he was...he was Elvis. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
Well, I have to tell you I met Elvis. I actually met Elvis. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
AUDIENCE: Ooh. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
-Did you meet him? -I did. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:05 | |
Very, very briefly. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
I shook his hand for about... Well, obviously not for that long, | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
but I mean, the... | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:57:16 | 0:57:17 | |
The conversation that we had with | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
Elvis was very brief, as we were leaving a very distinguished party, | 0:57:19 | 0:57:24 | |
erm, a post-Elvis Presley, post-Las Vegas concert party | 0:57:24 | 0:57:29 | |
and we made the mistake after he hadn't turned up for three hours | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
of deciding to leave and just as we were leaving, he came and we were | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
too overcome to say, "Well, actually, we don't have to go now, we'll stay." | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
That was it and we thought, we'll meet him again but we never did. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
-Ah, and you wrote a song for him. -We did. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
We wrote two, really, specifically for Elvis - | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
one which was not recorded by the King, | 0:57:46 | 0:57:47 | |
was called Please Don't Let Lorraine Come Down and that was... | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
-HE LAUGHS -Sorry. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:53 | |
No, no. That was a song about a bloke living on the second | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
floor of an apartment block and there was a rather dodgy girl called | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
Lorraine on the third floor and he was trying to resist temptation, | 0:58:01 | 0:58:06 | |
hence the title. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:07 | |
But Elvis didn't like that one... | 0:58:07 | 0:58:11 | |
So he recorded a song called | 0:58:12 | 0:58:13 | |
It's Easy For You, which was a ballad which I kind of put Elvis' | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
personal situation into. His marriage had broken up and it was a ballad. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:22 | |
Andrew wrote a lovely tune for it. It's almost a country song, really. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:25 | |
Well, let's hear it. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
Let's hear It's Easy For You, sung by a man who claims to know every | 0:58:27 | 0:58:31 | |
single Elvis song. | 0:58:31 | 0:58:33 | |
A big welcome please for Rob Brydon. | 0:58:33 | 0:58:36 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:58:37 | 0:58:40 | |
No...no pianist. | 0:58:50 | 0:58:52 | |
There is a pian... Good evening. | 0:58:54 | 0:58:56 | |
Er, there is piano in the song. | 0:58:56 | 0:58:58 | |
Don't panic, Michael, Tim, I met a man in the wings who says | 0:58:58 | 0:59:03 | |
he can play the piano. | 0:59:03 | 0:59:05 | |
Now, I don't know if he's telling the truth, | 0:59:06 | 0:59:09 | |
but let's give him a chance. | 0:59:09 | 0:59:11 | |
What was his name? | 0:59:11 | 0:59:13 | |
Andrew Lloyd Webber. | 0:59:13 | 0:59:14 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:59:14 | 0:59:17 | |
# You may not mind that it's over | 0:59:45 | 0:59:51 | |
# But I've a different point of view | 0:59:51 | 0:59:55 | |
# Even though I am shattered | 0:59:57 | 1:00:01 | |
# It's easy for you | 1:00:04 | 1:00:08 | |
# You don't have to face the music | 1:00:10 | 1:00:14 | |
# You don't have to face the crowd | 1:00:16 | 1:00:20 | |
# Just go back where you came from | 1:00:22 | 1:00:26 | |
# You ain't even proud | 1:00:28 | 1:00:33 | |
# I had a wife and I had children | 1:00:33 | 1:00:39 | |
# I threw them all away | 1:00:40 | 1:00:44 | |
# And now you tell me You dare to tell me | 1:00:46 | 1:00:52 | |
# I should go back to them | 1:00:52 | 1:00:55 | |
# What do you think I should say? | 1:00:55 | 1:00:59 | |
# I found it hard to leave them | 1:01:03 | 1:01:08 | |
# Saddest thing I ever had to do | 1:01:10 | 1:01:14 | |
# My problems haven't started | 1:01:16 | 1:01:20 | |
# It's easy for you | 1:01:23 | 1:01:26 | |
# I had a wife and I had children | 1:01:28 | 1:01:33 | |
# I threw them all away | 1:01:35 | 1:01:38 | |
# And now you tell me | 1:01:40 | 1:01:43 | |
# You dare to tell me I should go back to them | 1:01:43 | 1:01:49 | |
# What do you think, what on earth do you think I should say? | 1:01:49 | 1:01:57 | |
# If you ever tire of the good life | 1:01:58 | 1:02:02 | |
# Call me in a year or two | 1:02:05 | 1:02:09 | |
# I've got no choice I'll forgive you | 1:02:11 | 1:02:15 | |
# It's easy for you | 1:02:17 | 1:02:22 | |
# You only have to call me | 1:02:23 | 1:02:29 | |
# It's easy for you | 1:02:30 | 1:02:34 | |
# You only have to call me | 1:02:36 | 1:02:43 | |
# It's easy for you. # | 1:02:43 | 1:02:50 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:02:54 | 1:02:58 | |
-Terrible, terrible. -Congratulations, great to see you. | 1:03:06 | 1:03:10 | |
Thank you very much. | 1:03:11 | 1:03:13 | |
We must move on now to the final section, which is, of course, Evita. | 1:03:26 | 1:03:32 | |
APPLAUSE They've heard of that one. | 1:03:32 | 1:03:34 | |
It's your third collaboration with Andrew, I think. | 1:03:36 | 1:03:40 | |
Well, it is, yes, if you don't count the first one, the, erm, | 1:03:40 | 1:03:42 | |
The Likes Of Us, which didn't really get anywhere at the time. | 1:03:42 | 1:03:45 | |
And you cast aside the Bible, for once? | 1:03:45 | 1:03:48 | |
-Yes, yes, we switched to... -Where on Earth did the idea come from? | 1:03:48 | 1:03:52 | |
It came really from a radio programme I heard in my car. | 1:03:52 | 1:03:55 | |
I was late for a dinner and lost driving around the streets somewhere | 1:03:55 | 1:04:00 | |
in London and, erm, I heard the beginning of a programme | 1:04:00 | 1:04:04 | |
about Eva Peron and I thought, "This sounds interesting." | 1:04:04 | 1:04:06 | |
I knew a little bit about her. | 1:04:06 | 1:04:08 | |
I'd...I can recall her from collecting stamps as a kid | 1:04:08 | 1:04:11 | |
and her face was on the Argentine stamps and I knew she was dead. | 1:04:11 | 1:04:14 | |
That was about all I knew, but when I heard the beginning of the story, | 1:04:14 | 1:04:17 | |
I thought, "This is very interesting." | 1:04:17 | 1:04:19 | |
And at the time we were looking for something to follow up Superstar | 1:04:19 | 1:04:22 | |
which was a tough act to follow. | 1:04:22 | 1:04:24 | |
It certainly was. | 1:04:24 | 1:04:25 | |
It's a most unlikely subject for a musical, it seems to me, | 1:04:25 | 1:04:29 | |
but you pulled it off. | 1:04:29 | 1:04:30 | |
Yes, I often think that the obvious subjects for musicals, | 1:04:30 | 1:04:33 | |
if they're really obvious, somebody would have already had a hit | 1:04:33 | 1:04:36 | |
with them and I think it's often the wacky left-field ideas that work. | 1:04:36 | 1:04:40 | |
What you created in that show was a massive star role. | 1:04:40 | 1:04:44 | |
I mean, the whole thing evolves on the personality and the drive | 1:04:44 | 1:04:48 | |
and the performance of Evita. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:51 | |
Today, I'm not sure you'd take a chance with an unknown | 1:04:51 | 1:04:54 | |
but you did take a huge gamble picking an unknown to play Evita | 1:04:54 | 1:04:59 | |
and carry the whole show. | 1:04:59 | 1:05:01 | |
Well, Elaine Paige was the unknown. She wasn't unknown in the business, | 1:05:01 | 1:05:05 | |
she was unknown to the public at large, but she'd worked | 1:05:05 | 1:05:07 | |
for ten years in shows and musicals and she'd been progressing | 1:05:07 | 1:05:11 | |
up the stage to gradually take the second or third lead in one or | 1:05:11 | 1:05:15 | |
two musicals, but the public didn't really know her | 1:05:15 | 1:05:17 | |
and she was brilliant. | 1:05:17 | 1:05:19 | |
She was 29, 30 at the time. She'd paid her dues and she | 1:05:19 | 1:05:22 | |
came through a competition of about 400 or 500 people. | 1:05:22 | 1:05:26 | |
But we also had balancing Elaine, | 1:05:26 | 1:05:28 | |
we had a brilliant performance from David Essex | 1:05:28 | 1:05:30 | |
who was then as well-known as he is now, a wonderful performer. | 1:05:30 | 1:05:34 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:05:34 | 1:05:37 | |
So the combination of Elaine and David was, you know, | 1:05:37 | 1:05:39 | |
for my money, unbeatable before or since. It was fantastic. | 1:05:39 | 1:05:42 | |
Hollywood then had its go with Evita. | 1:05:42 | 1:05:46 | |
It was very funny because Evita kept being taken on by some studio | 1:05:46 | 1:05:49 | |
and we were paid an advance, and then it was... | 1:05:49 | 1:05:52 | |
The studio didn't do it and they were paid another advance. | 1:05:52 | 1:05:55 | |
Did they see it as a vehicle for a star? | 1:05:55 | 1:05:57 | |
I don't know, it just never quite happened. | 1:05:57 | 1:05:59 | |
The rumours were that Meryl Streep looked at it, Michelle Pfeiffer. | 1:05:59 | 1:06:01 | |
No, Warners wanted to do it. Meryl Streep and all these artists, | 1:06:01 | 1:06:04 | |
and it kept being... We were being paid all the time | 1:06:04 | 1:06:07 | |
but for the film not being done. | 1:06:07 | 1:06:08 | |
And I remember David Land saying, | 1:06:08 | 1:06:10 | |
ringing and saying, "I've got terrible news, boys, | 1:06:10 | 1:06:13 | |
"Evita's going to be done. | 1:06:13 | 1:06:15 | |
HE LAUGHS | 1:06:15 | 1:06:16 | |
"No more advances." | 1:06:16 | 1:06:19 | |
Let's take a moment to remind ourselves of the movie - | 1:06:19 | 1:06:21 | |
one of my favourite clips. | 1:06:21 | 1:06:23 | |
# But who is this Santa Evita? | 1:06:23 | 1:06:25 | |
# Why all this howling hysterical sorrow? | 1:06:25 | 1:06:29 | |
# What kind of goddess has lived among us? | 1:06:29 | 1:06:32 | |
# How will we ever get by without her? | 1:06:32 | 1:06:36 | |
# She had her moments She had some style | 1:06:39 | 1:06:44 | |
# The best show in town was the crowd | 1:06:44 | 1:06:46 | |
# Outside the Casa Rosada crying "Eva Peron" | 1:06:46 | 1:06:51 | |
# But that's all gone now | 1:06:51 | 1:06:54 | |
# As soon as the smoke from the funeral clears | 1:06:54 | 1:06:57 | |
# We're all gonna see and how | 1:06:57 | 1:07:01 | |
# She did nothing for years... # | 1:07:01 | 1:07:04 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:07:04 | 1:07:08 | |
Amazing change of pace there with the kind of the narrative song, | 1:07:08 | 1:07:12 | |
you know, really telling the story. | 1:07:12 | 1:07:14 | |
That was almost the first lyric I wrote. | 1:07:14 | 1:07:18 | |
I think Andrew's score is flawless frankly, on that one, | 1:07:18 | 1:07:21 | |
and it's such a wonderful variety and yet it all hangs together | 1:07:21 | 1:07:25 | |
as one piece of music. It's a terrific score. | 1:07:25 | 1:07:29 | |
I think one of the many, many phrases in your lyrics | 1:07:29 | 1:07:34 | |
that live with me forever is, | 1:07:34 | 1:07:36 | |
-"Another suitcase, another town," which is... -Another hall. | 1:07:36 | 1:07:39 | |
Another hall, sorry. | 1:07:39 | 1:07:41 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:07:41 | 1:07:45 | |
-Sorry. -It's all right. -This heart-rending ballad from Evita. | 1:07:45 | 1:07:48 | |
On stage, sung by Peron's teenage mistress, | 1:07:48 | 1:07:51 | |
Another Suitcase, Another Hall was meant to be the show's big hit, | 1:07:51 | 1:07:55 | |
peaking at number seven in the charts in 1997. | 1:07:55 | 1:07:58 | |
Now performed by the captivating singer-songwriter | 1:07:58 | 1:08:01 | |
Sophie Ellis-Bextor. | 1:08:01 | 1:08:03 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:08:03 | 1:08:07 | |
# I don't expect my love affairs to last for long | 1:08:28 | 1:08:36 | |
# Never fool myself that my dreams will come true | 1:08:36 | 1:08:44 | |
# Being used to trouble I anticipate it | 1:08:44 | 1:08:52 | |
# But all the same, I hate it | 1:08:52 | 1:08:56 | |
# Wouldn't you? | 1:08:56 | 1:08:59 | |
-# So what happens now? -Another suitcase in another hall | 1:08:59 | 1:09:03 | |
-# So what happens now? -Take your picture off another wall | 1:09:03 | 1:09:07 | |
# Where am I going to? | 1:09:07 | 1:09:09 | |
# You'll get by You always have before | 1:09:09 | 1:09:12 | |
# Where am I going to? | 1:09:12 | 1:09:15 | |
# Time and time again I've said that I don't care | 1:09:22 | 1:09:30 | |
# That I'm immune to gloom That I'm hard through and through | 1:09:30 | 1:09:38 | |
# But every time it matters | 1:09:38 | 1:09:42 | |
# All my words desert me | 1:09:42 | 1:09:46 | |
# So anyone can hurt me and they do | 1:09:46 | 1:09:53 | |
-# So what happens now? -Another suitcase in another hall | 1:09:53 | 1:09:58 | |
-# So what happens now? -Take your picture off another wall | 1:09:58 | 1:10:02 | |
# Where am I going to? | 1:10:02 | 1:10:04 | |
# You'll get by You always have before | 1:10:04 | 1:10:07 | |
# Where am I going to? | 1:10:07 | 1:10:10 | |
# Call in three months' time and I'll be fine, I know | 1:10:17 | 1:10:24 | |
# Well, maybe not that fine but I'll survive anyhow | 1:10:25 | 1:10:32 | |
# I won't recall the names and places of this sad occasion | 1:10:33 | 1:10:41 | |
# But that's no consolation here and now | 1:10:41 | 1:10:48 | |
-# So what happens now? -Another suitcase in another hall | 1:10:48 | 1:10:52 | |
-# So what happens now? -Take your picture off another wall | 1:10:52 | 1:10:56 | |
# Where am I going to? | 1:10:56 | 1:10:58 | |
# You'll get by You always have before | 1:10:58 | 1:11:01 | |
-# Where am I going to? -Don't ask any more. # | 1:11:01 | 1:11:10 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:11:19 | 1:11:23 | |
Thank you, Sophie. Wonderful. | 1:11:28 | 1:11:32 | |
Don't Cry For Me Argentina. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:34 | |
-Did that come easily? -All except the title. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:37 | |
-I felt the first line wasn't right. -What was the first line? | 1:11:37 | 1:11:40 | |
Well, the original one, we had terrible titles - all my fault, | 1:11:40 | 1:11:43 | |
like, It's Only Your Lover Returning and All Through My Wild Days | 1:11:43 | 1:11:47 | |
or something, I mean, it was... They were bad. | 1:11:47 | 1:11:49 | |
But I used the phrase Don't Cry For Me Argentina | 1:11:49 | 1:11:51 | |
earlier in the piece. | 1:11:51 | 1:11:53 | |
It was in the funeral scene at | 1:11:53 | 1:11:54 | |
the very beginning when the sort of dead Evita, if you like, | 1:11:54 | 1:11:58 | |
or the ghost of Evita sings Don't Cry For Me Argentina at the funeral. | 1:11:58 | 1:12:02 | |
And that line just sounded so good on that... | 1:12:02 | 1:12:04 | |
on those notes that we said, | 1:12:04 | 1:12:06 | |
"Well, let's put it in now and if it doesn't work, | 1:12:06 | 1:12:08 | |
"we can change it if there's a show." | 1:12:08 | 1:12:10 | |
But of course, it became THE phrase of the piece | 1:12:10 | 1:12:14 | |
and became a very big hit. | 1:12:14 | 1:12:16 | |
-Amazing. -So we were stuck with it. -Wonderful. | 1:12:16 | 1:12:19 | |
Well, with his own interpretation, please welcome Rufus Wainwright. | 1:12:19 | 1:12:23 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:12:23 | 1:12:26 | |
# It won't be easy You'll think it strange | 1:13:29 | 1:13:36 | |
# When I try to explain how I feel | 1:13:36 | 1:13:42 | |
# That I still need your love after all that I've done | 1:13:42 | 1:13:49 | |
# You won't believe me | 1:13:50 | 1:13:55 | |
# All you will see is a girl you once knew | 1:13:55 | 1:14:01 | |
# Although she's dressed up to the nines | 1:14:01 | 1:14:06 | |
# At sixes and sevens with you | 1:14:06 | 1:14:13 | |
# I had to let it happen | 1:14:15 | 1:14:18 | |
# I had to change | 1:14:18 | 1:14:23 | |
# Couldn't stay all my life down at heel | 1:14:23 | 1:14:29 | |
# Looking out of the window | 1:14:29 | 1:14:32 | |
# Staying out of the sun | 1:14:32 | 1:14:37 | |
# So I chose freedom | 1:14:37 | 1:14:42 | |
# Running around trying everything new | 1:14:42 | 1:14:48 | |
# But nothing impressed me at all | 1:14:48 | 1:14:54 | |
# I never expected it to | 1:14:54 | 1:15:01 | |
# Don't cry for me Argentina | 1:15:04 | 1:15:11 | |
# The truth is I never left you | 1:15:11 | 1:15:17 | |
# All through my wild days | 1:15:17 | 1:15:21 | |
# My mad existence | 1:15:21 | 1:15:25 | |
# I kept my promise Don't keep your distance | 1:15:25 | 1:15:34 | |
# And as for fortune and as for fame | 1:15:40 | 1:15:48 | |
# I never invited them in | 1:15:48 | 1:15:54 | |
# Though it seemed to the world | 1:15:54 | 1:15:58 | |
# They were all I desired | 1:15:58 | 1:16:03 | |
# They were illusions | 1:16:03 | 1:16:08 | |
# They're not the solutions they promised to be | 1:16:08 | 1:16:14 | |
# The answer was here all along | 1:16:14 | 1:16:19 | |
# I love you and hope you love me | 1:16:20 | 1:16:29 | |
# Don't cry for me, Argentina | 1:16:32 | 1:16:42 | |
# Don't cry for me, Argentina | 1:17:12 | 1:17:18 | |
# The truth is I never left you | 1:17:18 | 1:17:24 | |
# All through my wild days My mad existence | 1:17:24 | 1:17:31 | |
# I kept my promise Don't keep your distance | 1:17:31 | 1:17:38 | |
# Have I said too much? | 1:17:42 | 1:17:46 | |
# There's nothing more I can think of to say to you | 1:17:46 | 1:17:54 | |
# But all you have to do is look at me to know | 1:17:58 | 1:18:04 | |
# That every word is true | 1:18:04 | 1:18:13 | |
# Don't cry for me, Argentina. # | 1:18:52 | 1:19:08 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:19:09 | 1:19:13 | |
Wow, thank you, Rufus. | 1:19:20 | 1:19:23 | |
Now, Tim, you're not going to like answering this question cos | 1:19:25 | 1:19:27 | |
I know you're a very modest man, I know you to be a very modest man, | 1:19:27 | 1:19:30 | |
but how big is your trophy cabinet at home? | 1:19:30 | 1:19:33 | |
I would say that they're won for either being around a long time | 1:19:33 | 1:19:37 | |
or just for turning up to the ceremony. | 1:19:37 | 1:19:39 | |
But it's... I keep them in Cornwall, you know, | 1:19:39 | 1:19:43 | |
people stare at them occasionally. | 1:19:43 | 1:19:45 | |
-And you've got three Oscars, haven't you? -Yeah. -So far? | 1:19:45 | 1:19:48 | |
Yes, Alan Menken has eight so, erm, you know, | 1:19:48 | 1:19:50 | |
I'm in league division two compared with him. | 1:19:50 | 1:19:53 | |
-Ah, but the first one was for Aladdin, wasn't it? -Er, yeah. | 1:19:53 | 1:19:56 | |
And I think we're going to hear a song, er, the 1992 Oscar-winning | 1:19:56 | 1:20:02 | |
song A Whole New World tonight | 1:20:02 | 1:20:06 | |
sung by Diana Vickers and James Fox. | 1:20:06 | 1:20:09 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:20:09 | 1:20:12 | |
# I can show you the world | 1:20:27 | 1:20:32 | |
# Shining, shimmering, splendid | 1:20:32 | 1:20:36 | |
# Tell me, princess Now when did you last | 1:20:36 | 1:20:41 | |
# Let your heart decide? | 1:20:41 | 1:20:44 | |
# I can open your eyes | 1:20:45 | 1:20:50 | |
# Take you wonder by wonder | 1:20:50 | 1:20:54 | |
# Over, sideways, and under on a magic carpet ride | 1:20:54 | 1:21:01 | |
# A whole new world! | 1:21:01 | 1:21:05 | |
# A new fantastic point of view | 1:21:05 | 1:21:10 | |
# No-one to tell us no or where to go | 1:21:10 | 1:21:15 | |
# Or say we're only dreaming | 1:21:15 | 1:21:19 | |
# A whole new world | 1:21:19 | 1:21:23 | |
# A dazzling place I never knew | 1:21:23 | 1:21:28 | |
# But now from way up here It's crystal clear | 1:21:28 | 1:21:33 | |
# That now I'm in a whole new world with you! | 1:21:33 | 1:21:40 | |
# Unbelievable sights | 1:21:42 | 1:21:47 | |
# Indescribable feeling | 1:21:47 | 1:21:51 | |
# Soaring, tumbling, freewheeling through an endless diamond sky | 1:21:51 | 1:21:58 | |
-# A whole new world! -Don't you dare close your eyes | 1:21:58 | 1:22:03 | |
-# A 100,000 things to see -Hold your breath, it gets better! | 1:22:03 | 1:22:07 | |
# I'm like a shooting star I've come so far | 1:22:07 | 1:22:12 | |
# I can't go back to where I used to be! | 1:22:12 | 1:22:16 | |
-# A whole new world! -Every turn a surprise | 1:22:16 | 1:22:20 | |
-# With new horizons to pursue -Every moment, red-letter | 1:22:20 | 1:22:24 | |
BOTH: # I'll chase them anywhere There's time to spare | 1:22:24 | 1:22:29 | |
# Let me share this whole new world with you | 1:22:29 | 1:22:36 | |
-# A whole new world -A whole new world | 1:22:38 | 1:22:42 | |
-# That's where we'll be -That's where we'll be | 1:22:42 | 1:22:46 | |
# A thrilling chase | 1:22:46 | 1:22:49 | |
# A wondrous place | 1:22:49 | 1:22:52 | |
BOTH: # For you and me! # | 1:22:52 | 1:23:01 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:23:04 | 1:23:08 | |
Thank you, Diana and James. | 1:23:16 | 1:23:19 | |
Which of your songs do you think, which of your lyrics do you think | 1:23:19 | 1:23:22 | |
is really going to stand the real test of time? | 1:23:22 | 1:23:27 | |
Well, I don't know. I mean, I think if | 1:23:27 | 1:23:29 | |
any stand the test of time, it would probably be Joseph | 1:23:29 | 1:23:31 | |
because that's, erm, you know for children of all ages | 1:23:31 | 1:23:34 | |
and children, you know, there's a new generation every time appreciating it | 1:23:34 | 1:23:37 | |
and it doesn't really date at all. You know, I mean, it's something | 1:23:37 | 1:23:42 | |
which is just wonderful tunes and a good story, funny. | 1:23:42 | 1:23:46 | |
I think that's the piece that will probably last longest, but who knows? | 1:23:46 | 1:23:51 | |
It's up to my great-grandchildren to find that one out. | 1:23:51 | 1:23:55 | |
What's next for Tim Rice? | 1:23:55 | 1:23:56 | |
I don't know. I mean, you know, you listen to all this stuff | 1:23:56 | 1:23:59 | |
and you think, quite difficult to top some of this and, erm, | 1:23:59 | 1:24:01 | |
I'm...maybe I should just retire quietly into the background. | 1:24:01 | 1:24:05 | |
We don't want you to retire, do we? | 1:24:05 | 1:24:09 | |
It wasn't a very convincing no. | 1:24:09 | 1:24:11 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:24:11 | 1:24:14 | |
Now, the song we're going to end with tonight is The Circle Of Life. | 1:24:14 | 1:24:18 | |
Right. | 1:24:18 | 1:24:19 | |
How quickly did you write this? | 1:24:19 | 1:24:21 | |
Circle Of Life, well, we had two goes at it. We, the first time, erm, | 1:24:21 | 1:24:27 | |
for Circle Of Life, I wrote a rather jaunty, slightly comic lyric | 1:24:27 | 1:24:30 | |
and Elton wrote a very nice jaunty little tune but it wasn't... | 1:24:30 | 1:24:33 | |
it didn't have the oomph for the film | 1:24:33 | 1:24:34 | |
and it had to be something that was going to go over the opening titles. | 1:24:34 | 1:24:37 | |
And the second lyric was... Cos Elton likes the lyrics first, | 1:24:37 | 1:24:40 | |
which is unusual, so I was supplying lyrics to Elton and | 1:24:40 | 1:24:43 | |
then I'd get a tune. | 1:24:43 | 1:24:44 | |
And the second lyric which was more or less the one that ended up, | 1:24:44 | 1:24:49 | |
that was much heavier, | 1:24:49 | 1:24:50 | |
-and Elton wrote this wonderful tune in about an hour and a half... -Wow. | 1:24:50 | 1:24:53 | |
..in the studio and I was watching him do it. And halfway through, | 1:24:53 | 1:24:57 | |
he was just playing the words, | 1:24:57 | 1:24:58 | |
he had these words, "On the day we arrived on the planet," | 1:24:58 | 1:25:01 | |
and all that, and he was playing it over and over again with slight | 1:25:01 | 1:25:04 | |
variations in tune and just singing it along. It was wonderful, I mean, | 1:25:04 | 1:25:07 | |
if you recorded the whole thing you'd have a wonderful double album of | 1:25:07 | 1:25:10 | |
one song with the tunes gradually changing and developing. | 1:25:10 | 1:25:14 | |
And halfway through the session he said, "I need one more phrase," | 1:25:14 | 1:25:17 | |
cos he'd written this wonderful tune that ascends and I said, | 1:25:17 | 1:25:21 | |
"On the path unwinding." | 1:25:21 | 1:25:24 | |
I wasn't quite sure what I meant by that, but it just sounded right | 1:25:24 | 1:25:28 | |
and it fitted beautifully and Elton finished the tune, | 1:25:28 | 1:25:31 | |
as I said, in about an hour and a half from coming into the studio. | 1:25:31 | 1:25:33 | |
Let's hear it. | 1:25:33 | 1:25:35 | |
How better to end a marvellous evening than with Laura Mvula | 1:25:35 | 1:25:38 | |
and the choir in The Circle Of Life. | 1:25:38 | 1:25:41 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:25:43 | 1:25:46 | |
Thank you, Tim, for making tonight possible | 1:25:46 | 1:25:48 | |
and thank you for all your amazing, amazing lyrics. | 1:25:48 | 1:25:51 | |
We wish you well and look forward to your next project. | 1:25:51 | 1:25:54 | |
Thank you very much. | 1:25:54 | 1:25:55 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 1:25:55 | 1:25:58 | |
# Nants ingonyama bagithi baba | 1:26:02 | 1:26:08 | |
# Sithi, uhm, ingonyama | 1:26:08 | 1:26:15 | |
# Ingonyama baba | 1:26:15 | 1:26:18 | |
# Nants ingonyama bagithi baba | 1:26:18 | 1:26:24 | |
# Sithi, uhm, ingonyama | 1:26:24 | 1:26:28 | |
# Ingonyama | 1:26:28 | 1:26:32 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:26:32 | 1:26:35 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:26:35 | 1:26:38 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:26:38 | 1:26:41 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:26:41 | 1:26:45 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:26:45 | 1:26:47 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:26:47 | 1:26:50 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:26:50 | 1:26:53 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:26:53 | 1:26:56 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala... | 1:26:56 | 1:26:58 | |
# From the day we arrive on this planet | 1:26:58 | 1:27:03 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:27:03 | 1:27:05 | |
# And blinking, step into the sun | 1:27:05 | 1:27:09 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:27:09 | 1:27:11 | |
# There's more to be seen than can ever be seen | 1:27:11 | 1:27:16 | |
# More to do than can ever be done | 1:27:16 | 1:27:22 | |
# There is far too much to take in here | 1:27:22 | 1:27:28 | |
# Or to find that can ever be found | 1:27:28 | 1:27:32 | |
# But the sun rolling high | 1:27:34 | 1:27:37 | |
# On the sapphire sky | 1:27:37 | 1:27:40 | |
# Keeps great and small on the endless round | 1:27:40 | 1:27:45 | |
# It's the circle of life | 1:27:45 | 1:27:51 | |
# And it moves us all | 1:27:51 | 1:27:56 | |
# Through despair and hope | 1:27:56 | 1:28:01 | |
# Through faith and love | 1:28:03 | 1:28:07 | |
# Till we find our place | 1:28:09 | 1:28:14 | |
# On the path unwinding | 1:28:14 | 1:28:21 | |
# In the circle | 1:28:21 | 1:28:26 | |
# The circle of life | 1:28:26 | 1:28:31 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:28:31 | 1:28:34 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:28:34 | 1:28:37 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:28:37 | 1:28:40 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:28:40 | 1:28:43 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:28:43 | 1:28:45 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:28:45 | 1:28:48 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:28:48 | 1:28:51 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala | 1:28:51 | 1:28:54 | |
# Ingonyama nengw' enamabala... | 1:28:54 | 1:28:56 | |
# It's the circle of life | 1:28:56 | 1:29:01 | |
# And it moves us all | 1:29:01 | 1:29:07 | |
# Through despair and hope | 1:29:07 | 1:29:13 | |
# Through faith and love | 1:29:13 | 1:29:18 | |
# Till we find our place | 1:29:18 | 1:29:25 | |
# On the path unwinding | 1:29:25 | 1:29:31 | |
# In the circle | 1:29:31 | 1:29:36 | |
# The circle of life. # | 1:29:36 | 1:29:43 |