Real People Wogan: The Best Of

It was a show that went out three nights a week live.

Mr Wogan, you're on, you're on.

With a live audience and everyone who is anyone dropping in.

The great and the good, the bad and the ugly. They called it Wogan.

Ha, I never knew why.

So, if you're sitting comfortably,

I'll show you something I made earlier.

God knows what they'll think of us in 25 years' time.

Gosh, it's you again.

Welcome to a show bursting with best bits

from the Wogan back catalogue.

It's an eclectic mix we have for you today,

but I think your interest will be piqued because the line-up includes

Margaret Thatcher, Naomi Campbell,

Vanessa-Mae and Paul Gascoigne.

Why don't we make a start with a rare interview with royalty?

I rarely get the chance.

And when Princess Anne came onto the Wogan show in 1985,

it gave the public an opportunity to see her outside official engagements

and a chance to find out what Her Royal Highness was really like.

And the consensus afterwards was...

most people really liked her.

I certainly did.

Are you conscious of the fact that - what is called

in this business your image -

has improved over the past few years?

Mm.

LAUGHTER You're telling me? Erm...

Yes, I tend to wonder...

I like to ask people what they were expecting

before they met me

and then I find out what my image was, you see.

-What do they say when you ask them that?

-I'm just about ask YOU that.

LAUGHTER

APPLAUSE

Well, you see, the problem is, ma'am,

that if I tell you that you will blush in all modesty.

LAUGHTER

Oh.

Well, forget it.

LAUGHTER

My goodness, I just scraped out of that one.

LAUGHTER

All public figures are security risks,

to what extent is your private life hampered...

by security?

Nowadays, not, really.

Because living in Gloucestershire and on a farm

is really quite off the beaten track

and out of the public view. It's really not too difficult.

You're at home and not very much in evidence.

Erm...

In public on your official engagements, of course,

it's an occupational hazard and I think while busy and while

you're actually going about talking to people you don't really notice.

That's not to say that other people, of course, don't notice

because it tends to be rather more obvious from the outside

than it is from where you are.

Do you and Captain Phillips ever get a chance to go out on your own,

say, for a quiet meal?

Yes, again, because in the area... Being a sort of reasonably quiet,

rural area, that's not really very difficult.

We've actually got one or two decent restaurants.

I'm not going to tell you what they are!

LAUGHTER

I and the family would be down there next Sunday.

LAUGHTER

Well, you must know the area because in Cheltenham...

-You go to Cheltenham occasionally, don't you?

-Yes, I do.

To support the Irish and we needed a bit of support this year.

You did, didn't you? Yes.

-Did you have any bets yourself?

-No. I give that up a long time ago.

LAUGHTER

When I was about 12.

LAUGHTER

-Lost all your pocket money.

-Yes.

To my nanny.

LAUGHTER

What would you say was the... Do you enjoy going to formal functions?

I mean, you have to keep that smile on all the time and...

be nice to everybody.

Well, you're nice to most of your guests, aren't you, really?

And you manage to smile at them

and sort of keep up with them intelligently.

Yes, but only for about 40 minutes.

You've got to do it for hours on end.

I don't have to speak to the same person for 40 minutes.

I mean, everybody's different.

I mean, you seldom meet the same person twice.

But the thing that always strikes me as a formidable task is

the endless reviewing lines that you have to go to, say,

at a Royal premiere or at a Bafta Award.

How can you think of something new to say

to each one that you come up to?

Apart from, "I loved the movie" and...

Well, except for they usually introduce you

before you've seen the movie which is always a bit of a hazard.

LAUGHTER

"I loved your last movie."

It's like when you're opening something you haven't even

seen which happens quite a lot.

What do you do under those circumstances -

when you open something you haven't seen?

I'm very short about it. I don't say a lot.

I say, "I'm very much looking forward to seeing whatever it is that

"I'm about to open." Or words to that effect.

But I frequently thank them for the opportunity of having seen it

before I open it if I'm allowed to do so.

LAUGHTER

Erm, it slightly depends. I mean, you can play it two ways.

You can ask everybody... It's rather like sort of market research.

You can ask everybody, literally everybody, the same questions...

Like you have three questions for that afternoon

and you ask everybody the same questions

and with any luck it shortens the time involved

because if the person standing next to the one you're talking to

is paying any attention, they'll have the answers ready for you.

LAUGHTER

What would you do if royalty was abolished? What...?

LAUGHTER

I'd have to work even harder on the farm, wouldn't I?

LAUGHTER

Is there anything you would really like to do?

Any career you would like to have pursued it you hadn't

been the royal princess?

I think it's rather difficult to tell now what career

I would really like to have pursued.

Didn't you qualify as a heavy goods vehicle driver?

LAUGHTER

Yes, out of necessity I qualified as a heavy goods vehicle driver.

I thought it might have been some urge to drive a great pantechnicon

down a motorway one day and roll over hedgehogs.

LAUGHTER

This is just yet another one of those bits of media mythology, isn't it?

I was actually asked if there was anything I could do if,

as you mentioned, the royal family was abolished.

And, just like that, I mean,

on the basis that one didn't have a farm to work on or there was no other

alternative, both my husband and I have heavy goods vehicle licences.

Erm, he has an HGV 1 and I have an HGV 3.

So, in fact, it seemed like a very logical way of earning one's living.

And you could do it... There are, in fact...

There is quite a demand for good horsebox drivers...

LAUGHTER

..who know one end of a horse from another, you see.

And we thought we could probably crack that one between us.

LAUGHTER

So that would be the career?

-You think you could bend your hand to that?

-Yes.

But you said what would I CHOOSE as a career,

-that wasn't the same thing at all.

-No, that's true. A sneaky...

And if I get any more offers for,

"If you really want to come

"and drive a lorry, come up to the Co-op at wherever it is," or,

"I've got a spare lorry going you can try..."

I already do drive.

Quite often.

Your Royal Highness, thank you for joining us.

APPLAUSE

A musical moment now that was not just a treat but an honour for me.

How many can say they've sat next to the great Peggy Lee

as she sang one of her greatest songs, Fever?

# Never know how much I love you

# You never know how much I care

# When you put your arms around me

# I get a fever that's so hard to bear

# You give me fever

# When you kiss me

# Fever when you hold me tight

# Fever

# In the mornin'

# Fever all through the night

# They said when I met Terry Wogan

# You simply have to touch his knee

# I don't know what they meant by that

# But I think I'll have to try it and see

# You give me fever

# When you kiss me

# Fever when you hold me tight

# Fever

# In the mornin'

# Fever all through the night

# Everybody's got the fever

# That is somethin' you all know

# Fever isn't such a new thing

# Fever started long ago

# Ah-h-h

# Romeo loved Juliet

# Juliet, she felt the same

# When he put his arms around her

# He said Julie, baby, you're my flame

# Thou giveth fever with your kisses

# Fever with thy flaming youth

# Fever, I'm on fire

# Fever yea I burn forsooth

# Forsooth, I doth burn

# Captain Smith, Pocahontas

# Had a very mad affair

# When her daddy tried to kill him

# She said, Daddy, oh, don't you dare

# He gives me fever

# With his kisses

# Fever when he holds me tight

# Fever, I'm his missus

# Daddy, won't you treat him right?

# Ah-h-h-h

# Now you've listened to my story

# Here's the point that I have made

# Chicks were born to give you fever

# Be it Fahrenheit or centigrade

# They give you fever when you kiss them

# Fever when you touch their knee

# Fever, I'm on fire. #

SHE CHUCKLES

# You see

# And what a lovely way to burn

# What a lovely way to burn

# What a lovely way to burn. #

APPLAUSE

Now, getting up close and finding out what makes a person tick

is one of the great privileges of being a talk-show host.

Here's one example where I hope we learned a bit more about the person

than we would have done in, say, a hard-hitting political interview.

And I say political because this next guest

was the then Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher.

APPLAUSE

You don't often get an audience as rowdy as that, I suppose.

Oh, very often in Prime Minister's Questions.

LAUGHTER

Yes, they're much rowdier than that at Prime Minister's Questions

-and probably not as well disposed.

-Quite.

I was going to ask you about the performance in the House of Commons

or when you're meeting heads of state, are you ever apprehensive?

Are you ever nervous before you get up and speak?

Always. And you wouldn't speak well if you weren't.

I've been answering questions in the House every

Tuesday and Thursday for ten years when the House is in session.

I'm still just as nervous as I was at the beginning.

It requires immense preparation,

it usually takes me about four hours to prepare because

I've no idea what the questions are and I know everyone will like to ask

a topical one, so I have to go through the papers very carefully.

But the moment you've started, you forget about yourself completely.

You think only about the answers and then it's all right.

Do you ever look at yourself on television?

Do you ever analyse your performances?

No, I've only ever done so once, I can't bear seeing myself.

I think one would be most critical,

far more critical than anyone else.

But when we were going to have television in the House,

the cameras were in a completely different position from what

you'd expect normally,

so I did go and stand by the dispatch box and the cameras

very kindly took a film of how it would look

and that really was very useful.

But that was not live, it was a kind of private performance.

Otherwise the whole family knows

that if I'm in the news, I go immediately and turn off the news.

They turn it on, so I have to go out until it's over.

-You get embarrassed by yourself?

-I would be very, very dissatisfied.

You never know what you yourself look like, you can't.

You never know what you yourself sound like

and I don't think you'd be...

You would think you look different

-and sounded different from you do.

-Do you ever have any advice?

Do people come to you and say, "Prime Minister,

"you shouldn't have stood like that.

"Perhaps you shouldn't have worn that dress."

We don't have half as much of that

now as right at the beginning of television

when they told you there were all sorts of things that you mustn't do

but, really, if you've got to think about every single movement,

-you can't think about what you're going to say.

-That's true.

And it's much more important to think what you're going to say.

So, really, in a way, you have to forget yourself.

Otherwise, you'll look stilted.

Now, you've been at Number Ten for ten years now, this is the 11th, and

you've seen your share of trouble and strife, and success, triumph.

What have been your worst moments?

Oh, the worst moment, undoubtedly, was

when the Argentinians invaded the Falkland Islands.

I will never forget it,

when the news came that their fleet was on the way

and we didn't know whether it was just an exercise

or whether they were going to invade.

They're 8,000 miles away.

And the question was, could we ever get them back if they landed?

Some advice said, "No, we can't.

"We can't get them back if they take them."

And you would think that it would have been impossible.

8,000 miles away.

Takes three weeks to get there.

Three weeks forewarning. You would have thought it was impossible.

But we had to do it.

Public opinion required it.

Someone had invaded British territory and the people were British.

They had been British, always, and the Argentinians hadn't lived there.

And I will not forget calling together the chiefs of staff

and then the Admiral coming in and saying,

"Within 48 hours, Prime Minister, I can dispatch a whole fleet,

"because we're always ready for NATO."

And within 48 hours, it was dispatched.

And then we had three weeks when we negotiated. And then we had to land.

And that was another terrible time.

And during the whole of that Falklands campaign, it was awful,

but, just before we landed I had another visit from Harold Macmillan.

He just came in to see me.

And he just said, "I am the senior of all the living prime ministers.

"I just want to offer you our full and total support."

"And maybe to give you a little advice."

Which was so very welcome.

He said, "Set up a small emergency committee of Cabinet,

"always with your chiefs of staff, not more than five."

"And", he said, "keep the Treasury out."

LAUGHTER

I thought that was very good advice because, really, it wasn't

a question of money. We had to recover those.

And we only had the bravery and professionalism

of our people to rely on. So, I set up that emergency committee

and we met every morning and every evening.

Is this a good rule for all government, keep the Treasury out?

No, no, no, it is only for emergencies because we have,

in fact, just like a household, just like a business,

we have to watch that we don't go and spend too much.

You seem never stuck for an answer.

Are you always certain of your ground?

Goodness me, they'd howl you down if you were stuck for an answer.

They learn a technique.

Some ask longer questions and put all sorts of things in at

the beginning which aren't right, and hope that you won't pick them up.

Others think, "If I get in a quickie,

"she won't have time to think of an answer."

So you have all sorts of techniques.

They don't seem to make any concessions to the fact

that you're a woman.

No, why should they?

And I don't make any concession to the fact that they are men!

LAUGHTER

APPLAUSE

Whether you like the image or not, you have the image of being

a dominating personality, which you have, a dominating personality.

And even domineering, in Cabinet.

-That you don't like people who argue with you.

-No.

That's absolutely wrong.

There's not much point in being a Prime Minister

unless you are a dominating personality.

Because you're dealing all the time with other heads of government

and heads of state who are also dominating personalities.

But, yes, I do like arguing.

Absolutely flatly contrary to the image.

We argue things out, and that is the way we come to a conclusion.

But, in the end, they should agree with you?

In the end... In the end, we come to the right conclusion.

LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

Margaret Thatcher. Perhaps the most admired,

and hated, political figure of our time.

We've had royalty, politics,

and now, as they say, for something completely different, although

I suppose you could describe Naomi Campbell as a queen of the catwalk,

with a reputation in the fashion world as fierce as the Iron Lady's.

Is it true that supermodels get paid an enormous amount of money?

£10,000 a day?

I never discuss money, ever. And I want to correct this.

I never, ever said in any of my interviews that

-I would never get out of bed for 10,000.

-I never said you did.

We were just making it up as we went along.

It's a quote that's been following me for a while,

but I just want to correct it, because I think it's not right.

Some people wouldn't make that in a lifetime, so they'd be mad to

hear that we would make that or not get out of bed for that, so...

Yeah, but I mean, it's market forces. It's supply and demand.

You're a supermodel now. You can demand enormous fees, can't you?

Well, I don't know if we can demand even that much,

because it's like, to be here today and gone tomorrow. We can say,

"Yeah, I will do it, and book it. I'll be there."

How do the other models feel about the supermodels?

I mean, presumably, you can dictate the clothes you want to wear.

Actually, no. I wore some stuff in Milan that I hated,

but because they're paying you, you've got to wear it.

And you can't complain. It's all part of the job.

You just smile and do your job and walk down the runway,

gracefully as you can, you know? It's only for two minutes.

-It's not going to hurt.

-Do you still like the job?

-Yeah. I do.

I still like the job.

Do you think it's harder for black girls

to make it to the top in modelling?

Um, yeah, it's getting better I think now,

like, all over America, London, Paris, Milan.

At first, I think it was a trend, and now I think in terms

of, like, cosmetic contracts and stuff like that,

they're trying to market ethnic women, which has taken a long time

to happen, because usually, you can have, like, ten cosmetic contracts

but not one of them are for ethnic women,

and now, they're considering that and they're thinking that, well,

yeah, a Japanese or Jamaican woman is going to want to buy this make-up

so let's start making it. And marketing it, so...

So, how did you get started? I mean...

It's like a fairytale, but it's true.

I was discovered hanging out in Covent Garden.

I don't believe a word of it.

Yep, I just didn't want to go home,

and I was hanging out with my school friends.

And a lady called Beth came up to me and gave me a card and said,

"Do you want to be a model?" And I said, "Yeah."

And I took the card and took it home to my mother

and thought about it for a few days.

Then went to see her and it started.

You know, every young lady listening to this at home, most of them

would want to be a model like you, enormously successful,

and making a lot of money,

they wouldn't believe that because it's

so very hard to be discovered. It's like a Hollywood story, isn't it?

I must ask your mother. Your mother is in the audience.

Can we get a picture of your mum? Up there. Is this true?

-Yes.

-Yes, well, your mum says it's true, did she give you any advice?

Um...

Basically just, keep your feet on the ground

and not get kind of too big-headed.

Was she a showbiz mum?

No, she wasn't a pushy stage mother,

although I went to Italia Conti and Barbara Speake's. I wanted to do it.

So I kind of said, "I want to go to dance, I want to go to act."

-And she, like...

-You would still like to act, would you?

-Yeah, I would.

I've been doing stuff in the Cosby Show and stuff like that.

Stuff that's right.

I wouldn't do a film or a television show that's not right,

and expect the model to be, just, like, an airhead.

Yeah, that's right, because models do have that image, don't they?

Yeah, but I think not any more. I think it's changing

and people are beginning to realise that we are intelligent, that we're

businesswomen and we can take care of ourselves and our careers.

And manage ourselves.

What's the life expectancy of a model?

I mean the professional life expectancy.

I started at 15 and my agent says to me I could model till I'm 30.

But I don't want to, 15 years is a long time.

Although there are some that have.

I'd like to do other things.

Expand and change and try out different stuff.

Is there a tacky side to it?

Is there a side where you have to go to parties and be seen?

No, you don't have to. I mean, I go out. I go out mainly to benefits.

And every time people see me out and go,

"You were partying last night",

I'm like, "No, I wasn't, it was for a cause."

But, no, you don't have to do what you don't want to do.

I mean, if you can help, and if you get to a certain point

and your name's out there, and you can help for a cause for Aids

or for children, I think you should try and do so.

Does... Do ordinary guys ever get to meet girls like you?

-Yeah, I meet guys on the street every day!

-Steady!

-Just say hi, but...

-You only say hello, yeah. And move on.

But I mean, you know, there's lots of fellas would like to take

you out. Do you only go out with Robert De Niro or Mike Tyson?

I don't go out with Robert De Niro and Mike.

Yeah, I did go out with Mike Tyson, but we're still, we're just friends,

and, um...

No, it just happens that it's the circle that you're in

and you just meet these people.

My first boyfriend was pretty normal

and I don't have a preference of what kind of man I go out with,

except if he has a good heart.

Let's renew acquaintance with a child prodigy

who came onto the Wogan show when she was just 13

and treated us an extraordinary musical performance.

The hugely talented Vanessa-Mae.

APPLAUSE

Oh, thank you.

Come and join us.

-But thank you for joining us.

-Thanks a lot.

-You're only 13.

-Yeah!

-And you've already mastered most of the great concertos.

-Mm-hm.

When did you start playing the violin?

I started playing the violin when I was five,

and also piano when I was five, but when I was eight,

I really decided that I was going to pursue the violin as a career.

And since then, since October, I mean,

since when I was 11, it's been my career.

But why did you decide to...

I mean, you were, and probably still are, a very talented pianist.

Why did you decide to pick up the fiddle?

Because the fiddle is such a sweet instrument,

and it's so small and it's so compact, that

you just slip it on your chin, and it's just so affectionate.

-It's an affectionate little thing.

-Yeah!

-Only four strings but it can produce such a wide range of tones.

-Yeah.

But it's murder when you're starting, I mean...

-Yeah.

-Cos my father tried to teach me the violin and...

..really every cat in the neighbourhood...

-LAUGHTER

-..were swarming round the door. But obviously not in your case,

because you are a prodigy. I mean, do you like being called a prodigy?

-Would you rather...?

-Well, I don't mind, really.

I just want to... I just want to love the violin for ever and ever.

-Were you encouraged by your parents?

-Well, since I was five

I have always been going to operas and ballets and concerts,

so probably that helped me develop a strong love for music.

But they all played instruments so...

-Yeah.

-..it helped.

Did you train in this country?

Yeah, well, I've lived here since I was three and my father's English,

so I've been going to the Royal College of Music for...

on a professionals...

Sorry, diploma course.

And when I was eight I went to China to study the violin.

I was supposed to go for a few years but, actually,

I just went for a few months.

-Couldn't stick it, eh?

-No, I...

I completed the work in quite a short time, so it was lucky to get back.

-LAUGHTER

-You are now at the Royal College of Music.

But you're not with people of your own age. You say

-you're on what? A diploma course?

-Yeah, a professional diploma course,

and most of the people are about 18 or 21.

But I enjoy being with people older than me and people my own age too.

Yeah. But there won't be any people your own age there...

-Not at the moment.

-No.

Is it a kind of a burden, do you feel?

Do you feel that an awful lot's expected of you?

Erm, no, I like to feel that a lot is expected of me,

because I like to compete with myself

and to make myself play better all the time.

That's the great... Playing the violin, it's an art.

-You can always change it the next day.

-Yeah.

I mean, it's been a tremendously successful year for you,

travel all over the place... What was the...?

Can you remember what was the best moment of the year for you has been?

Well, I enjoyed my two recordings very much, my first two recordings.

Especially the second one, where I had great fun.

I composed and transcribed some of the works myself,

some of the pop pieces.

I transcribed One Moment In Time, which Whitney Houston sung,

I transcribed. So that was great fun, that was the best.

Yeah. You know what people always say about a young person like you

with enormous talent and, indeed,

genius mightn't be too strong a word...

That you miss out on life a little bit,

that you don't mix with people your own age...

I don't feel so, because I love being with adults

and, obviously, in this career you have to be with conductors

and orchestras which are very much older than you.

But I do get to school and be with people my own age

-and chat about 13-year-old things.

-Do you chat about pop? Pop music?

Yeah, I love pop music too. But I mainly love Elvis Presley,

especially Whitney Houston.

I mean, there's another young man who's...

He's no longer young but he's...he's young at heart, who was a bit of a prodigy when he was young -

Nigel Kennedy. Now, do you follow Aston Villa...?

LAUGHTER

-I don't...

-You'll have to pick a football team, you understand?

I like tennis, I could pick tennis, maybe.

But I don't know what he's doing nowadays but...

but I know that what I'm doing is going to pop music a bit.

But I don't think it's that original, because in the olden days

Paganini - in his time, like one piece - La Campanella,

that I recorded. It's meant to be a very popular, difficult tune,

but at that time it was a pop-y tune of its day.

So I think I'm following the tradition.

But you know the way... I mean, Nigel is a genius as well,

he plays brilliantly. But at least part of his popularity

is due to the way he dresses and the way he talks. Erm...

..and really, in a sense, you're in show business,

-apart from anything else.

-Yeah.

Are you likely to dress in a more modern way.

-You're dressed very modern now.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

I like to dress to suit the occasion.

When I'm on a big stage with an orchestra,

I like to wear a big ball dress.

But this is just a fun chat with you so I can wear this.

LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

I think with that attitude you'll go far, basically.

LAUGHTER

Of course she did, while doing a bit of skiing in her spare time.

Now, Paul Gascoigne - who, over the years, has been a gift to both

football and the tabloid press.

At the time, this was an entertaining encounter with the most famous

and popular man in the country.

Watching it again, and knowing how things turned out for dear Gazza,

I must say, I'm left with a little sadness.

You're in a position that most young men would say...

is a dream...

Erm, but...from my perspective, having experienced a tiny piece

of the kind of attention you're getting -

-it could turn out to be a nightmare, you know.

-Could be.

But I'm trying me best not to let it turn out that way, you know.

When I get as famous as you, than maybe I'll start worrying, like.

LAUGHTER

You're more famous than anybody in the world.

Now, it's eight weeks since the World Cup and we've seen

what's happened outside the door here, and it's been raining as well.

A huge crowd of the kind of people that only New Kids On The Block

or, erm, you know, Michael Jackson gets.

-They are weeny-boppers.

-Young weeny-boppers.

-I'm only a weeny-bopper myself.

-I know you are.

-LAUGHTER

-But that's the thing, you have an appeal.

But the thing is, your appeal is across the board.

I mean... How did they smuggle you in here tonight?

Like I said before, I hide in the boot of the car, you see.

Get a little bit claustrophobic, but I'm all right.

-Come out the boot and give them a wave.

-Everybody is saying...

The same newspapers that are building you to the skies

and hyping you up, are also trying to give you advice

and saying things...

"Will this young man be able to handle all that attention?"

Yeah, they're building me right up.

It's unbelievable, I can't believe what's happening.

They are at the end of me road, outside me house with cameras

and everything.

It's frightening, really, because all I want to do is live me own life.

Is there a bit of you that enjoys it? There must be.

There's a bit of all of us that wants attention.

When I score a hat-trick on a Saturday, I love the attention then.

LAUGHTER

But all the scandal and all that, I don't...

I hate it, I can't stand it, you know.

So, what I've done, lately... I read the papers and I think,

oh, no, someone's wrote this and someone's wrote this,

I had a good game, I had a bad game, he's better than me... he's better than me(!) And...

LAUGHTER

I just don't let it affect us, to be fair.

And what I've started doing now, and it's worked...

Is...I don't read the papers.

No.

But you know, Sir John Gielgud used to say

he never read any critiques of his acting.

-He never read any.

-Yeah.

-So that means that...

you're not going to be affected one way or the other.

But it's very hard to run away from something like this.

And as I say, as somebody in the media, you have all my sympathy.

I'm delighted that you've had such enormous success

-and long may it continue.

-Cheers.

But it's very hard to handle it, you know,

particularly when you're only 23.

23, I know. Yeah, it is hard to handle it.

Like I said before, I can't believe it.

From a lad who's just walked out of the social club...

Dunston Excelsior, I'll just give it a little plug, if they're watching!

LAUGHTER Hi, everyone!

They're over there, give them a wave. Why not, for goodness' sake?

That's the thing - while you're enjoying it,

and while it's happening, do try and enjoy it,

-try and fling yourself...

-It's like everything else, Terry, isn't it?

I mean, when things go well, you love it.

And when things get bad, you get upset about it.

Maybe, as you've seen before, I cry, don't I?

Yeah, but that's all right. In a funny way, as I said in the introduction,

and as Julie Wells said in The Times this morning,

that's the secret of,

of how you've gone to the heart of most people in this country -

is that you were able to combine the qualities of courage

and patriotism...

and at the same time not to be afraid to cry.

Yeah, that's right. It was just something that hit us, you know.

I was leaving the World Cup, we weren't in the final,

and I was leaving some fantastic supporters who were there.

And it was fantastic.

And after the game, I got back to the dressing room...

And everyone was given towels to dry themselves and I was given

a couple of Pampers.

LAUGHTER

A couple of diapers, a couple of Pampers and a dummy.

"Cheers, lads(!)" Brilliant.

The only thing, the only thing for you to do...

because it's not going to go away.

The thing is...

I think you have to get ready for... Is what

they call The Tall Poppy Syndrome,

-what the Australians call The Tall Poppy Syndrome.

-What's that?

We have a tradition in this country, certainly among the press,

that as soon as you become enormously successful...

there reaches a point when they decide,

"We're going to knock him off the parapet now."

Oh, yeah. That's what I'm waiting for. I'm trying...

I'm working so hard to behave myself and...

be something I'm not. And the trouble is...

-Well, it's very easy...

-..I'm just one of the lads, really, to be fair.

-You don't want to behave yourself?

-I enjoy myself.

Of course I don't want to behave myself!

Nah, I just want to be one of the lads. I want to stay one of the lads,

and they're trying to make me not to be one of the lads, and I am.

And it's great when I go back home and I see me mates,

and we'll have a few drinks, like you, Terry, we get drunk.

Yeah, all the time.

LAUGHTER

Continuously. And I wouldn't mind, only, you're supposed to be fit.

Tell me this - this is the thing... You didn't score on Saturday,

-it was nil all.

-Yeah, I didn't score and I'm a bad player.

You're supposed to be tired, somebody said you were tired,

that all the attention had got to you and it was wearing you down all ready.

Yeah, obviously... I haven't been sleeping well, Terry.

I haven't been sleeping that well, at all. Don't know why. I just...

LAUGHTER I just haven't been sleeping...

So, erm...

Lack of sleep, doing a lot of travelling and like you say,

-stupid things like this, coming on a show like this...

-I know.

-LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

I don't know how you could possibly...

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

You are going to get a lot of attention.

I mean, nearly everything's going to want to carry your name now, isn't it?

Exactly, I mean...the good thing about coming on your show...

not being... I just give it a bit of stick,

but the good thing is everyone can see what's actually spoke, the truth.

You've even been linked with people that you haven't...

-probably ever met in your life.

-Yeah.

Cos there's going to be people who say,

"Oh, I knew Paul Gascoigne." "Oh, I went to bed with Paul Gascoigne."

-And they'll get 50,000 quid for saying that.

-Yeah.

You'll have to accept that that's going to happen.

That's right. I wouldn't mind if they gave me half of it, that'd be great.

LAUGHTER

Then I can do what I want, Terry, to be fair.

Yeah, and of course, the other thing you're going to get flung at you

is all the money you make.

-And I mean, have you got good advisers?

-Yeah.

Have you got people who will take care of you? You know the way you're always being compared...

"George Best..." they say... "..look at..."

LAUGHTER

Yeah, that's right, I mean...

I haven't got an agent, I don't want an agent.

I have an accountant and a lawyer.

Well, I don't know what advice you've got,

but if I were you I'd make as much money as you possibly can.

-As much as you?

-No, nobody makes that.

-If I get half as much as what you get Terry, I mean, I'll be sound.

-But you see...

LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

..I'm an old man.

It's all right...

I was penniless when I was your age. And the thing is...

if you make... Just make as much money as you can,

-and then you'll be able to do whatever you like after that.

-Yeah.

-Exactly.

-And just keep your head down for a few years...

-So that they can't do an axe job on you.

-Exactly.

-You're going to make a record?

-Yeah.

AUDIENCE MEMBER WHOOPS

LAUGHTER

-It's Gazza Rap.

-Gazza Rap.

-No.

Are you a good singer? Can we hear you sing?

No, I'm not a very good singer. You might recall Geordie Boys, like.

It's called Geordie Boys so you wouldn't, probably, understand it, that's the good thing about it.

In fact, I've got the lyrics upstairs like...

-It'll be OK, hopefully.

-Yeah.

-You've got a few buttons to make me voice sound great, won't they?

-Yeah.

-LAUGHTER

It will be fantastic.

-We look forward, we look forward to you having a wonderful season.

-Cheers.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Come on...

-I just hope that the tabloids will be kind.

-So do I.

I hope you'll be able to have a happy and enjoyable life,

-and enjoy your fame...

-Exactly.

-..and everything that goes with it.

No problem. And enjoy my life myself, as well.

-I'm sure... I hope you will.

-Cheers, Terry.

-Paul Gascoigne...

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

And before I fold my tent and silently steal away,

here's another little treat from the archive,

to leave you with.

When the Wogan show went to three live shows a week,

some BBC bright spark

decided to ask the nation's youth what they thought...

of our hero.

I think Terry Wogan's the boringest person on the television.

He should never be on the television.

Because he doesn't let anybody talk and he's always got to butt in.

I think it's very good and he's got a very good personality.

I really enjoy it.

I don't mind some of the stars on it, but I don't like Terry Wogan himself,

it's a wonder he hasn't cracked the camera yet.

I think it's good and

I like the people on it.

Why are they putting his series on three times a week?

I don't think they should put in on once a week, either.

Well, the range of guests that he has on is very good,

because there's one for everybody, really.

Out of all the guests he has on, one of them you've got to like, really.

-My mum don't watch it very often.

-Why?

She's always washing up.

Out of the mouths of babes...

Some of them, certainly, didn't pull any punches.

I'm supposed to have no feelings, of course.

I'll be heading off now, in a marked manner.

So, until next time...

I'll bid you farewell.