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It's a lifestyle, it's not a job. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
For me, this isn't a job. It's a lifestyle. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
I'm a dancer when I wake up, I'm a dancer on Sundays, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
when I have the day off, I'm consistently a dancer. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Whether that means nursing something that I'm going to need on a Monday, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
or doing Pilates on a day where you might not be working... | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
It's a lifestyle. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
I couldn't imagine actually... having a job. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
I was waiting for my sister when she was taking ballet classes. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
I was an American football player. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
I went into the class, I started taking class | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
for probably about a month and a half. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
It was sort of love at first sight. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
I loved ballet in particular | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
because it was really clear to understand for me. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
There was no grey area, things were right and wrong. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Things were really easy to understand. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
I started dancing when I was 14. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
After that, I moved to ballet boarding school, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
started dancing professionally. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
It's difficult for me to break movement down individually. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
So I try and remember choreography as a sentence, | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
as if I'm speaking to you, so that I don't go | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
"Where... did... you... go..." | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
So the transitional steps play in like you speak normally | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
in sentence form. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
And if it's a sentence, it's easier to remember for me. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
Sounds bizarre, but, yeah. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
I think even beyond the physical skills, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
you need a dream and a lot of focus. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
I have a dream for myself. I envision myself | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
doing great things in dance and developing myself as a dancer. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
That vision, it's very much tunnel vision. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
It's, "I'm going to dance, I'm going to dance well | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
"and this is what I want to do." | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
Anything I've got to do to make myself do that, then I'm on it. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
So, everyone close up, close up, this way. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
What you need as a dancer is a good technique | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
and the most important of all is, I think, it's wanting to dance. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:02 | |
Because it's a hard career, it's a hard training career. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
It's a lot of hours in a building, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
It's a lot of competition between the artists. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
So you need to have a big, artistic soul | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
to overcome all the mountains that, you know, will face you. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:22 | |
You gain a self-control. You gain, I think, a discipline | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
that many people lack in the real world. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
And we have that from the age of eight. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
-She takes it from you... -And we go one, two, three... | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
'As an artist, if you aren't versatile, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
'you may just fall into repetition | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
'and you may just get bored. I think it is important' | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
to always move. Move on, or move side, or move back, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
whatever you want to do, but just always move. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
And so, for that, I think a dancer should be | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
as versatile and flexible as possible. Within their characters, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
within their techniques, within their style, within their movement. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
I think it gives you... It makes you richer as an artist. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
When Chris approached me and said that he was considering | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
tap shoes for the role of the hatter, or the mad tapper, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
I was so excited. I started tapping when I was about eight years old. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
It was one of the first things I really focused on. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
My family's not in the arts world. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
I come from a motor sport family | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
in the suburbs of Sydney. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
So probably the furthest place that you can get from here. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:44 | |
My sister was a gymnast and she inspired me. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
She was always so competitive, but in a good way. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
Wanting to achieve more and more and more. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
She's seven years older than me, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
so it was a good example to have around at a young age. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
So I went along, did a jazz lesson where she was doing a bit of dancing | 0:05:00 | 0:05:06 | |
and that soon became tap and ballet as well. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
I just loved it. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
I've seen dancers who have everything physically... | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
naturally...but they're lacking something and that, I think, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
is just sheer determination. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
You have to want it. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
You have to want to be the top of your game, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
you have to want to do a step, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
"OK, I achieved that, but I can do it better." | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
Dancers always have niggles and injuries that you're dealing with. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
There are so many rewards that come with being a dancer as well. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
As a child, you know, you fall in love | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
with that feeling of dancing around. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
It really is an incredible feeling, you feel free. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
In Billy Elliott, in the film, like, he really does explain it well. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
It's like electricity. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
And to be able to do that as your profession, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
to be paid to do that, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
and to explore yourself and your artistic qualities | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
on a daily basis is something that, I think, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
dancers really, really cherish. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
Face this way. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
You come out from behind, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
And you say, "That's my baby!" | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven... | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
'For me, I approach most things' | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
with the movement side of my brain | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
and, I think, for a story ballet, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
you need characters that can be, er... | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
very well communicated through movement. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
'So that's one reason why Alice seemed like a good choice to me.' | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
Just disappear like that. That's it, yeah. Good. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
As soon as I was asked to make a full-length ballet | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
for the Royal Ballet and I chose Alice, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
I knew that I'd love to work with Joby Talbot again. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
We'd worked on a piece called Fools Paradise for my company Morphoses | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
and the world that he created | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
for that abstract work | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
was so full of fantasy. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
The orchestral colours, the sort of textures | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
that came out from the pit, were so unusual | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
and had such imagination, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
that it gave me the confidence to say, "OK, I'll do Alice in Wonderland | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
"if I can do it with Joby." | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
And on top of that, I knew I needed to work | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
with a really experienced theatre designer. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
And someone like Bob Crowley, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
who I could share my vision of Alice with, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
but who ultimately would give this Alice | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
a real personality of her own. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
For Alice, it was necessary to be quite prepared structurally. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
So Joby goes away and writes a passage of music | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
and within that passage of music, there are certain plot points | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
that have to occur. Let's take, for example, when she first falls down | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
the rabbit hole. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:02 | |
She has to come to, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
regain consciousness from banging her head on the floor. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
She has to have her first encounter with the Queen of Hearts | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
and the Knave of Hearts and the White Rabbit. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
And then we just go about making that all come together with movement. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
There's very little prepared, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
as far as the movement is concerned, before I get in the room. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
I'd much rather work with the dancer and discover that together. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
A four, a five, a six, a seven, eight. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven... | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
'I became a dancer because I saw a production' | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
of Ashton's La Fille Mal Gardee, a ballet that's been in the repertoire of the Royal Ballet | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
for many years. And then I went to a local ballet school | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
and I was good at it. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:48 | |
When you're good at something and encouraged you start to learn to love it. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
But I think I loved it pretty much from the beginning | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
and it's everything that I've known from the age of eight. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
I went into choreography at school, was encouraged. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
At the Royal Ballet School, it was part of the curriculum and, again, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
I must have shown some talent early on because I was really, really encouraged. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
That's all I needed, really. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
'A sort of push forward on the path of being a choreographer. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
'I stopped dancing when I was 28, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
'which is more than 10 years before I needed to. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
'But I did it because I was really passionate about choreography | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
'and I think I had danced enough. I felt like I'd danced enough.' | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
Read. And... | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
'When you look at a traditional classical ballet vocabulary, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
there are only a certain number of steps and it's up to you' | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
to combine those steps creatively and find new ways of... | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
New angles of showing those, you know, that catalogue of steps. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:53 | |
And then, on top of that, finding the right ones | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
to describe a personality or a situation. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
A narrative full-length story ballet is a huge undertaking | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
and you have so many elements competing for your attention. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
You have music, lighting, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:10 | |
you have costume and then you have to sit back again and say, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
"OK, this isn't working and this is pulling my eye | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
"to the wrong part of the stage. I'm telling two stories, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
"but one needs to have more volume on it than the other, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
"so one has to recede because we need to know exactly where to look." | 0:10:23 | 0:10:30 | |
So the only time you really know | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
that you've got it right or not, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
really is when the curtain goes up in front of an audience | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
and they react. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:39 | |
And with a full-length story ballet like Alice in Wonderland, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
the most terrifying thing is it happens on opening night. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
My job, as composer, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
is to try and find something new | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
and present it in a new and extraordinary way. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
Obviously, I have the extraordinary orchestra | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
of the Royal Opera House at my disposal and it's very exciting. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:09 | |
My idea is the moment the curtain goes up, I want the music | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
to be completely, extraordinarily magical. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
So it's not scored for simply a normal orchestral set-up. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
There's voices in there as well | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
and some other slightly odd orchestration | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
and every percussion instrument ever invented. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
Three, A... | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
You know, two hours is a long amount of music to construct | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
and there needs to be through-lines and an awful lot of variety | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
within that, but all within this strange, magical world | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
that Lewis Carroll set-up. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
I always thought my music might go well with dance. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
When I was at college, I did some things | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
with choreographers and enjoyed it. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
And then I met Chris | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
and he seemed to very much like working with my music. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
I guess what choreographers like about it | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
is that it's got a kind of strong sense of rhythm. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
Rhythm is very much to the fore, but at the same time, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
it's not completely cold. I mean, it's also quite emotive. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
Having worked in both classical music | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
and dance, and also film music, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
I have experienced all the kind of different avenues | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
I need to be exploring in this. Film music sits behind the action. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
Of course, in ballet, in dance music, it's in front of it | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
and they are dancing TO the music. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
I mean, it's there in front and everything else is unfolding. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
It's kind of triggered by it. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
I found it quite hard to get my head round to begin with. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
I kept thinking, "OK, so I'm going to do falling down a rabbit hole. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
"Well, I've been told that lasts between one and two minutes, maybe. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
"So, I'll write some..." and I'd write some music | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
and then, "Let me get the picture up, I'll see how it sounds | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
"against the images." And then "Oh, hang on. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
"There aren't any images." | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
No-one's choreographed anything or done any design or anything at all. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
So when I was writing the music I was trying to find something | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
that had... Kind of has | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
one foot in the 19th century and one foot in the 21st century | 0:13:19 | 0:13:25 | |
and is very magical and odd | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
and seems to have some inner logic, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
so that you feel that you're looking into | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
Wonderland, where things work differently but they do work. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
My job is to try and write very characterful music | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
for the different characters, so we have a musical theme | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
for Alice herself. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
She's a bit more grown-up in our version than in the book. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
I think she's probably more like 13 or 14, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
which means that she can have all this beautiful, romantic | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
yearning orchestral music. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
And the White Rabbit has a sort of scurrying, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
celesta, nervous thing. And also, he's always checking his watch, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
which is a great device musically, because you can have clock-ticking | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
whenever he comes along. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:26 | |
She'll be in a scene, talking to whoever, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
and he'll appear, so you can hear this tick-tick and his little melody. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
I'm trying to think of what to write for the Caterpillar. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
We've gone for this slightly north African, kind of percussive thing. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
Basically, everything's taken me three times longer | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
than I thought it would | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
and I'm completely happy with it all. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
Yeah, it's taken me longer than I thought it would. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
And as regards to what I'm... I mean, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
I'm learning, I'm learning so much. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
About writing something this big, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
about ballet in general, about story-telling in ballet. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
It's really pretty. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
'I knew Christopher Wheeldon from school. I'd worked with him.' | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
As I'd gone through the company, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:24 | |
he'd chosen me to be in the corps de ballet of some of his works | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
and then I got to do a soloists part in some of those works | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
and then a couple of more serious roles, but I'd never created | 0:15:33 | 0:15:39 | |
anything with him more than a corps de ballet role. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
So I didn't really know how it was going to be, so it really was | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
a journey and we started at the beginning. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
You know, I really got to know him and the more I trusted him, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
the more he trusted me, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
The more we could develop ideas together. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
And I really felt like we shared the whole creative process. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
Yeah, working on the bush... | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
I was born in Devon | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
and I was sent to ballet because there was a wonderful teacher | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
that my mum had heard of and she taught in the town hall. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
I was nearly four | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
and she was this amazing lady that apparently | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
gave your children discipline and great posture. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
My mum thought, "Great, that's just what happy-go-lucky Lauren needs." | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
Because I was a bit of a terror. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
I definitely wasn't a girly-girl, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
but I wasn't a complete tomboy either. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
The music was always heaven to dance to. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
I just could never, ever imagine doing anything else. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
It just felt like the most natural thing in the world for me to do. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
With ballet, there's a natural progression. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
You start with a pre-primary exam and then you do a primary exam | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
and then you start with grade one up to grade five or six | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
and then you go into some different grade. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
It's just the natural thing. You do one, you do well, so you're inspired to do the next, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
and the next, and you watch the older girls, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
you see them doing really hard steps and you want to do that. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
You go and watch ballet and you get excited and you want to be as good. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
There's so many different ways you can dance, your body can express. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:23 | |
The way you move your leg has an emotion to it as well. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
So already, as a role, you think, "How dynamic is this person?" | 0:17:28 | 0:17:34 | |
Or, "How lyrical is this person, how soft is this person?" | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
And so you have dynamic through your dancing. Also, you think about, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:44 | |
"How would that person hold their head?" | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
You know... Is she... | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
You know, a timid, shy person? | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Is she alert? Does she want...? And it's those things. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
Ballet is incredibly intense, physically. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
Mentally, it's so stimulating, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
that to come down from a show or something, it takes forever. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
And emotionally, you put everything into it | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
so that's also another side to it. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
But the day-to-day wear and tear of a dancer's life, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
I think, is what's most gruelling yet rewarding. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
You know, you get...very, very little free time. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
Your life needs to revolve around being the best dancer you can be. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
That involves making sure you've got enough sleep, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
get to bed early, eat well and work hard. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
There aren't many days when a dancer isn't feeling niggles. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
It's really hard because you don't want to stop. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
But you know, ultimately, if you don't stop, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
then you're probably putting too much strain on your body. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
What's really good is, after your first couple of serious injuries, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
you start to learn, "Go off, look after yourself, come back." | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
It's just time. There are, you know, opportunities to come. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
But it's hard to learn that. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
Creating a full-length ballet, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
at first, is really daunting. How, from a blank canvas, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
do you get to a huge production? | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
But actually, it does grow quite naturally | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
in the way that, as soon as you put a story, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
or emotion, and you attach that to steps | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
and your muscle memory then retains those, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
it becomes just a matter of just telling that story. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
You know, bringing those steps to life with characters and with props | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
and with movement and all the different aspects | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
of the piece. So it feels like a really natural process. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
I wish I could do every ballet like this. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
Being on stage is incredible and it's so exciting. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
You could do what you want on there. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
You know, you've been given the stage, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
you've been given the steps, but ultimately it's up to you. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
When you're out there, it's freedom. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
So, that's her jacket, which has been briefed in. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
-We're doing the trousers in the same fabric? -We can if you want. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
We're going to use the stripe... | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
'I was taken to the theatre as a child.' | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
I just loved going to the theatre | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
and then... But I wasn't really conscious of design as such, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
until I saw a production of Oliver! that Sean Kenny designed, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
which was the first production. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:54 | |
And that's when he stripped all the theatre away and painted the back wall | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
of the theatre and exposed the lights. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
Then I thought, "I've got to look into this | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
"a bit more," so my appetite was whetted by that. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
Then I thought I'd be an actor for a while. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
Then I was asked to take over in an amateur production. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
The designer fell off a ladder and broke his leg | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
and someone said, "You can draw and paint, would you do the set?" and I went, "OK." | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
And then that's how it all began. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
And here I am today! | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
It's ridiculous how these things start. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
How you get started in anything, you know. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
The one with the black cross... | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
'Unless you're curious | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
'and nosey about things, you'll never become a stage designer. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
'Because it's all about being a magpie, you know. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
'You're constantly delving into different periods, different worlds, people's lives. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
'Being able to draw and paint helps. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
'It's not absolutely vital, I don't think.' | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
People can do that on computers these days, there are programmes. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
But I'm still a pencil and paper man, you know. Still on the back of an envelope, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
or the back of a beer mat kind of designer, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
and I don't use the computer to design on. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
I will use the computer | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
to manipulate things and stuff like that, but I don't design on it. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
I think it's a three dimensional art to stage design | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
and I don't want it all happening on a screen | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
we go from drawings to models pretty quickly. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Model-making skills are useful. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
The set comes first. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
Once I have some sense of what the space will look like, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
I will then know what somebody looks like inside it. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
So I never do the costumes first. I wouldn't know where to begin. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
I thought, "I don't know what to do with Alice In Wonderland." | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
I had no idea what the nature of this beast was, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
because, you know, there's 100s of ways you could go about | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
interpreting this story. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:58 | |
I didn't have a way into it until I heard | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
more and more of Joby's score. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
It's the music that inspires you as much as the subject matter. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
I tried to get around the whole John Tenniel illustration side. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:16 | |
That's what's in my head. I grew up with those illustrations. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
They're in everybody's childhood DNA. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
But I then looked at a lot of films and I just wanted, you know, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:28 | |
to sort of re-inform myself about what had already been done with it. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
I didn't see any ballets of it and I re-read the book. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
And stretch. It would be nice if there was a little bit of... | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
I thought we had to have one reference. It would be perverse not to. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
I knew it would be the Cheshire Cat, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
because you'd be cheating the audience | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
out of the pleasure of that, I think. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
And the way around that was not to do it as an illustration, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
but to make the illustration three dimensional. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
I prototyped virtually every single costume. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
Certainly ones that might be problematic in terms of choreography. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
So when Chris was rehearsing, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
I would bring him in something so he could see it on somebody. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
And he's only had to change a few steps. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
Beautiful. OK, good. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
OK, so we've got the sliders open | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
and the trap up, just confirming. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
Good, yeah. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
Alice is a very busy show. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
There are so many cues. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
Lighting cues, projection cues, scenery cues, fly cues, sound cues. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:59 | |
There are 14 scenes in Act One | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
and it is fast-moving | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
and there isn't much room | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
for anything to go wrong. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
'So it is a big challenge.' | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
Can we come and re-set the bag? Thank you. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
I have a team of three in the stage management. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Myself, a deputy and an assistant. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
I'm responsible for running what's happening on-stage | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
and my deputy is calling the show on the book in the prompt corner. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Curtains up on line three... | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
My assistant runs one side of the stage, I run the other | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
and also oversee all the scene changes, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
make sure we're ready to go into the next scene | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
in performances. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
Another element is a risk assessment. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
One has to write a risk assessment and, while one tries to do that | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
and foresee any possible risks | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
prior to coming to the stage, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:52 | |
it's only really when you hit the stage that you suddenly see | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
the real hazards | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
that are involved. So that's something that is quite big | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
when we come to the stage. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
Lauren! | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
I was brought up in a theatrical family, always wanted to act. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
I had an accident when I was 15, lost my confidence | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
and decided from then on that I was going to go behind the scenes | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
rather than in front of the scenes. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
I was at the Central School of Speech and Drama | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
where I did the stage management course | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
and then was lucky to get a job with a company | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
called The Actors Company that was headed by, among others, Ian McKellen. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
And I was with them for about 18 months. That was a fantastic start. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
With The Actors Company, I was an assistant stage manager. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
Responsible for props, setting props, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
finding rehearsal props. From The Actors Company, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
I went on to deputy stage manage with other theatre companies. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
Musicals in the West End. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
For working with a ballet company, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
of course, the first thing is one has to be able to read music | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
because all productions are cued | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
using a musical score. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
So you have to be able to read music. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
I think getting on with people, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
collaborating with different artists, choreographers, designers, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:17 | |
working with different temperaments in dancers, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
which are all challenges. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
But actually, they're quite nice challenges to overcome. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Does he need anything or is it so he knows... | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
-It's just if you see him. -Cool. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:32 | |
I think that's very much a stage manager's job | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
to keep the atmosphere good in rehearsals, on stage, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:40 | |
in the wings, probably between the dressing rooms, as well, in a way. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
If the team is good at its job, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
then it creates a much easier atmosphere to work in. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Every day is a challenge, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
especially working with a ballet company. You've got a different ballet | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
in rehearsal, in performance, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
a different cast to work with many times, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
so no day is ever the same. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
It's not like working on a West End show, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
where probably eight shows are the same a week. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
I'm not sure it's a good lifestyle, really. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
If you want a life outside of the theatre. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Because of the hours. It does demand quite a lot of one's time | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
and you never really switch off. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
But I absolutely love it, so I wouldn't change it for anything. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
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