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Although the war ended in 1945, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
it was still another nine years before rationing was stopped. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
For many young people | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
the austerity that had seeped into everyday life was stifling. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
By the late '50s, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
the majority of youngsters who'd left school at 15 had jobs and money in their pockets, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:51 | |
and were keen to break away from the conformity of the austerity years, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
forming a subculture, which became known as Mod. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
Mitchell is 15 and from Walsall near Birmingham. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
Two of his family were mods. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
Darts has always been my main sporting passion. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
My grandad was a great darts player, but never actually went into it. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
It's pure skill and if you're good, you'll win. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
My other passion is probably music, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
which has been passed down from my dad. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
Some of it has really sunk in on me and had a real impact on my life. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
I know my nan was a mod in the '60s. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
And I'd like to know about the original mods and find out more about those. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
MUSIC: "Keep on Running" by The Spencer Davis Group | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
# Keep on running | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
# Keep on hiding...# | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
In the late '50s, groups of youngsters in London | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
were influenced by modernist architecture and jazz and Italian and French fashions. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:49 | |
They started to call themselves modernists, later shortened to mod, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
as what began as an in-crowd cult developed into a mass movement. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
The original mod movement | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
ran for about a decade until the late '60s. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
Mitchell's Grandma Jackie was a Walsall mod | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
and a regular at Bloxwich Baths dances where local bands played. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
POP MUSIC | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
Looks...bigger now. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
You've got to remember when we used to come and it used to be packed. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
You aren't just going to an ordinary dance hall, you'd go in | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
and there'd be other mods and that there. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
-Do you know what I mean? -Yeah. -So...yeah. Yeah. God! | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
I think I was about 15 there. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
I used to do her hair and me own hair, cos I used to enjoy it. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
I wanted to be a hairdresser, but I never did. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
And me hair, now that's what they call the bob, you know? | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
And now the bob's still about today. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
Vidal Sassoon done that and Mary Quant. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
It's quite a weird hairstyle, was that like the norm back then or...? | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
Oh, yeah, that was... Whatever was in, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
whether it was long or short, I used to have it. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
I mean, one time I went out with me hair all on me shoulders | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
and I came back with blonde hair and cut very short. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
So you imagine me going out with hair all down here | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
and then coming back home and I've got none on me head! | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:03:24 | 0:03:25 | |
But me dad, he said I'd made a mess of it. He said to me mum, "You shouldn't have let her done it." | 0:03:25 | 0:03:31 | |
Me mum said, "I didn't know she was having it done!" | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
But after...after a bit of time, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
-they got used to it and they liked it. -Yeah. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
-And then I let it grow! -SHE LAUGHS | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
# It's in my soul | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
# Yeah, yeah, yeah! # | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
You wouldn't bother, you wouldn't care! | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
You wouldn't bother whether you looked soft or whether you looked... You wouldn't bother. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
It was just that you was in that moment of enjoying yourself. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
That's what it was, it was enjoying yourself. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Mitchell wants to know how Jackie, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
who left school at 15 with no qualifications, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
was able to finance this lifestyle. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
On leaving school, Jackie found work immediately in a local factory. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
For a time she worked at the family-run Crabtree's, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
which employed thousands of local women making light switches. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
With a thriving post-war economy, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
unemployment nationally stood at just 1%, compared to over 8% today. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:34 | |
Mitchell's looking into the Wolverhampton Express and Star's archives | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
to find out just how plentiful jobs were. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
I was initially sceptical. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
You look at them and you go through especially Monday articles, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
cos it's the start of the week, you see pages and pages of jobs. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
And not just the same jobs, different jobs. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
Jobs for absolutely any...work or trade you like. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
You've got draughtsmen, you've got salesmen, you've got clerks, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
you've got cleaners, absolutely anything. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
So I think really, they are right, you can walk into one job | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
any day you like, in all fairness. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
So... | 0:05:17 | 0:05:18 | |
Next, Mitchell tracks down another Walsall mod, Dave, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
who travelled slightly further afield than Jackie. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
I was working at the time as a warehouseman. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
I was doing a 42.5 hour week. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
It wasn't interesting work, cos you knew | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
what you was going to do from day to day. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
Some days you'd think, "Oh, why am I here? | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
"Why am I here? Why am I doing this?" | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
Yeah, but if you was going somewhere at the weekend, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
or you was going to see a group or something, you'd think, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
"Oh, I'll be glad when the weekend's here!" | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
It was an escape, weren't it? | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
-When did you buy your scooter then, in '65? -I bought it in '66. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
You've got your independence. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
You don't have to wait on buses and that, you just go outside your house, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
start it up and you're away, aren't you? | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
So what attracted you to be a mod, then? | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
It's being an individual. You know, everybody can wear a uniform, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
everybody can look the same, but to be something slightly different. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
I come into modernism probably '65. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
So what were your main interests at the time as a mod, then? | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
-Basically, the clothes you could wear. -Yeah. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
Cos I used to like to wear updated fashion, shall we say. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
Every so often we'd go down to London | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
-and get what you could afford down there. -Yeah. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
Carnaby Street. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
Lord John was a big fashion shop down there. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
-It was like a different world. -Yeah. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
You'd look around and some of the clothes you'd see, "I ain't seen that before!" | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
-Yeah. -And then sometimes you'd go and ask somebody, "Where did you get that from?" | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
You know, and you'd just be... And most of the time, they wouldn't tell you, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
-cos they wanted to be individual theirselves! -Yeah. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
-That's a very mod neck. -No. -No? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
No, a rollneck's all right. It's got a suede front on, it's different. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
-Yeah, that's true. -This is great. I like this. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
-If I left a deposit for that, John, can I come back next week? -Yeah, certainly. -Is that OK? -Yeah. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:15 | |
Mitchell's meeting Professor Keith Gildart | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
to find out what happened to the movement. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
Commercialisation was a crucial aspect of the development of the mod movement. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
And you can trace this through the way in which mod | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
becomes more prominent in the media. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
So using the term "mod" to sell things and trying to exploit it, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
because they see this as a way of making money. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
Once mod becomes national, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
some of the original mods begin to break away from it and say, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
"How can it be an individual fashion statement | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
when there's thousands of people involved in it?" | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
I'm not a mod myself, I wouldn't call myself a mod. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
-Would you call yourself an ex-mod? -An ex-mod, certainly, yeah. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
-Ex-convicts. -I would say that. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
We've sort of progressed out of that stage. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
Well, what was a mod when he existed, then? | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
-Well, he was someone... -A person | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
who wanted to be different from somebody else. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
Wanted to show a rebelliation against something, you know, and he wanted to be different. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
But now, he's the same as everybody else, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
so he's sort of grown out of that stage and looking for something new. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
So what is your personal opinion on movements like the mod movement? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
Well, historians take kind of two sides to this. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
And some historians have argued that commercialisation | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
and the way in which the capitalism of popular culture develops after the Second World War, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:35 | |
saps the energies of young people. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
They would argue that they're less likely to rebel if they're listening to records in their bedrooms. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
MUSIC: "Green Onions" by Booker T & The MG's | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Other historians think that mod | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
acted as a kind of alternative education to many young people, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
who might have felt failed by the education system, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
might have left school at 15 or 16. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
But through involvement in a youth subculture like mod, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
that was a kind of alternative type of education. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
Now when I look at somebody in their 60s or 70s, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
I won't just think that their life has been boring. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
I'll look at them and I'll think, "They could have been a mod." | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
I can look at my nan now and know that she's had an amazing life | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
and that she's done something for herself. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
And I know she's got so much potential that hasn't been tapped into, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
but she's had a great time in the '60s | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
and she's been part of something national. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
And that's an amazing thing to be able to stand back and say. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
In the 1960s, people in the East End of London | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
were still living with the consequences of the Second World War. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
The East End had been badly bombed because the Port of London | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
handled most of the goods that came in and out of the country. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
By the 1960s, much of the bomb damage had yet to be cleared, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
and thousands of families struggled in sub-standard housing. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
15-year-old Nicole | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
has a special reason to want to know more about the area. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
My grandfather grew up in the East End of London, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
he became a photographer and I'd like to find out a bit more about his job | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
and the history of the East End of London. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
Nicole's grandad, Steve, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
worked as a photographer on the Ilford Recorder. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
In those days thriving local newspapers like The Recorder | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
campaigned for social change. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
So what sort of things were happening at that time | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
that you found interesting? | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
Obviously, being in the East End of London, there was a lot of what we'd call "hard news". | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
There were bank robberies, there were murders, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
there were all sorts of things like that. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Although you weren't working on a national newspaper, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
some of the stories we did were very hard hitting. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
Housing was a big problem. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
It says here that there were 23 men, women and children | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
were living in that one house. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
The headline, "Close down these awful homes," that's what we were trying to get them to do. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:33 | |
"This lady here, pictured with her five children in the bedroom, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
"she has to share with three of them and she's hoping to be rehoused." | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
Now, that particular place, we actually got that closed down. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
We did the last families that were living in Nissen huts. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
They'd been built by the Italian prisoners of war. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
Nissen huts were temporary homes made from corrugated iron sheets. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
Could you imagine a bomb hitting your row of houses, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
and then the council coming along and they put you in a Nissen hut, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
saying that you were only going to be there for a short time. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
25 years later...these people were still living in there. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
And this was an area that we were always going back to in West Ham | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
called Manor Road Buildings. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
We were trying to show there that these families were trapped families who just exist, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
because there was just nowhere for them to go. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
And right next to there...was this bomb site | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
and that was their playing area. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Nicole has come to speak to Ann and her daughter Debbie, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
who were photographed by Steve in 1968, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
when Debbie was just four years old. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
They still live in the East End. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
What jobs did you and your husband have? | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
My husband worked down the dock, it was the Royal Albert Dock. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
And you could only get in the docks if it ran through the family, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
cos you had to have the docker's card to get a job in there. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
Everyone in this area of sort of East London, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
all the men were dockers. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
They used to have to stand on the cobbles early in the morning and wait to be called out. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
And if you weren't called, then you didn't get no work. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
-You didn't get no work. -You know, that's how it worked. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
Employment in Britain's ports was casualised, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
which meant workers were employed on a daily basis | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
and dockers received no compensation for industrial accidents or death at work. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
Dad thought that was unfair, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
so he set up what they called like a distress fund for the dockers. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
So like everyone was entitled to it. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
And my dad done that for years and years. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
-It was a close community the dockers, Deb, wasn't it? -Yeah. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
All the dockers always stuck together. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
-Can you remember what you said this day? -Not really, no. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
-What did I say? -It says here that you said, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
"How can you bring up kids properly in a dump like this?" | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
-Did I really? Hm. Is that what I said? -SHE LAUGHS | 0:14:06 | 0:14:11 | |
Well, it was rough round there, Debbie, wasn't it? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
Yeah, it was rough, but as kids we enjoyed it. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
CHILDREN'S VOICES | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
Downstairs was the back yard where everyone...hung their clothes, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
but we used to play down there. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
We used to have ropes hanging from the balconies, so we could swing at the bottom. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
We used to play Tim Tam Tommy, that was with an old tin. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
-We used to find old mattresses and pile 'em up. -And jump off 'em. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
And we used to jump from the shed onto the mattresses and do somersaults. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
We used to play in derelict cars, there was always dumped cars. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
We made our own play. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
Ann had a job as a barmaid | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
and was able to leave the children with her neighbour. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
And that was our next-door neighbour, Hazel. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
They used to run in and out of her house. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
-Hazel sort of looked after yous, didn't she? -Yeah. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
When I was at work. I didn't just go out and leave 'em. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
Hazel...Hazel was the main one that used to look out for us. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
If we wanted anything, we'd go to her. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
-She gave 'em something to eat. -And she'd give us something to eat and drink. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
And, you know, if we happened to fall over or hurt ourselves or anything, she was there. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:24 | |
She was our mum while our mum was at work. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
The only ones that was overcrowded was with people that had loads of kids. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
So, obviously, they felt they was overcrowded | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
and it weren't fit enough for them to live in, but we lived fine. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
I mean, I can remember our house being nice, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
-it was always nice and clean. -Yeah. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
You was a very clean person. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
But then you had the families that weren't, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
but they were the families with loads of kids. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
Nicole wants to know more about the campaigning role of local papers | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
and has come to meet her grandad's colleague, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
former news editor, Geoff Compton, to find out more. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
Geoff was born in West Ham, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
where half the houses, including his own, were bombed. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
This was probably the most pressing issue, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
it's one that we returned to week after week. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
We were constantly beating the drum for better accommodation, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:25 | |
for action by the local authority to...to do more. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
Of course, their hands were tied, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
because they in turn were receiving money from the government. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
And although Britain was on the winning side in the war, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
the country was pretty broke. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
Ann, who I met who lived in one of these flats, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
it said that she said that the place was really bad, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
but when we asked her about this, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
she actually told me that the housing was actually all right. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
Well, this particular building, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Manor Road Buildings, they had a very bad reputation. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
I mean, they were fairly poor these families, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
had very little of anything. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
The accommodation itself probably wasn't that bad, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
but there was a kind of stigma attached to actually being there. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
Ann talked a lot about the docks, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
-she mentioned that you wouldn't know if you were going to get a job. -No. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
You'd queue up and they'd pick people for the job. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
That's right. And my grandfather was one of those men. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
It was a very, very tough system. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
They used to call it "the lump". | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
And men would actually turn up in the morning, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
they'd form a crowd and the overseer would come out and he would say, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
"Right, I want you, you, you and you. And the rest, you can go home." | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
So there was a terrible, terrible uncertainty. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
You know, the families at home wouldn't know whether the father, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
the husband, was going to bring home a wage that day or that week. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
It was a very precarious existence. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
The conditions in the docks were very, very hard. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
Men worked manually, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
they did very, very long hours lifting very, very heavy weights. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
There wasn't very much attention to their safety, their health, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
so it was a very, very tough life. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
As a result of this, there was a lot of union activity in the docks, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
there were lots of disputes. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
There was a famous union leader called Jack Dash, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
who I spoke to on many, many occasions, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
who was really fighting for better conditions | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
for the working man in the docks. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
This didn't make him very popular with the government, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
but he was certainly a champion of ordinary working men. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
The things I've found out from my grandad and Geoff | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
were more negative things about the East End, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
like the poor housing conditions and bad conditions for the dockers. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
Before, I'd been told stuff like The Swinging '60s, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
and they made me think differently from that. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
Ann and Debbie, they told me a lot more positive things, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
like helping out to look after children for free, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
like setting up a dockers fund...just to help the community. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
They are forgetting some of the negative things, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
but I do believe that the community was close | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
and people did a lot of things for each other. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
Woman of 1950. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
What does it mean in 20th-century Britain to be a woman? | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
Can she develop her individual talents? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
Can she help to create the kind of society she wants? | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
Or does she still look upon marriage | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
as the sole purpose of her existence? | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
After the war, the British economy required women to work | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
in low and semi-skilled jobs due to the boom in British manufacturing. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:08 | |
However, for most women in the 1950s | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
the role of homemaker and mother | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
ranked higher than that of career woman. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
Amba's 15 and from Isleworth in West London. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
BIG BAND MUSIC | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
I've learnt about women | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
and what their lives were like during this period, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
but I'd like to learn more about their work. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
I'd like to start by speaking to my great-grandmother, Betty, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
about how she lived during this time. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
# Straighten up and fly right! | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
# Straighten up and fly right! # | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
Betty Dodd was born in 1921. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
She left school at 14 and worked almost continuously | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
until she was 55 in two processed-food factories. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
-I was about 15. -Oh, my age. -15, yeah. Yeah, about your age, yeah. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
-Imagine me working in a factory! -Yeah. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
Yeah, 15. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
That's where we done the cheeses, little portions of cheeses. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
Oh, and we done salad cream there as well, I'd forgot about that. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
We done salad cream. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
Yeah. And you had to be very quick at it or the bottles used to break. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
They were all friends there. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
You got a little bit more money than what you did in a shop. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
What did you make in the Wall's factory? | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
Erm...in Wall's, we done sausages and bacon...pies. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
We weighed them and then scaled 'em, linked 'em, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
and then, you know, wrapped 'em up. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
When Betty married at 17 in 1938, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
she continued to work full-time. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
She returned to work part-time in 1947, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
when her son was five years old. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
We wanted things for the home, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
so I went to work to get a little bit extra for the home. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
What was the biggest thing you bought with your money that you earnt? | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Ooh, blimey! | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Well, it was like washing machines and...fridges and that, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
cos they were very expensive in those days. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
They were like an electric washing machine, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
but then they had a wringer and you had to wring that by hand. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Then it'd go in the sink and you had to rinse it. Yeah. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
We both sort of helped to pay for the car. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
Did you purchase it from hire purchase? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
No, cos we didn't believe in...getting in debt. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
So we used to save up and then buy it. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
Why did you choose to go part-time? | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
Well, it was handy for me, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
cos him going to school and then I was home when he come home. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
Hm. I didn't want to work full-time, it was too much, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
looking after a house... and a family. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
Did you get paid the same as the men? | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
No. Men got a little bit more than what women did. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
Do you think that was fair? | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
That was the way it was in those days, yes. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
BIG BAND MUSIC | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
Amba wants to know how typical her nan's experiences were, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
and is meeting a specialist in women's studies, Dr Claire Langhamer. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
For most women, the expectation was | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
that they would work once they left school for a period of time, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
but then they would marry, have a family, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
and that that would be their primary job. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
So, as you say, your nan thinking that her job was being a housewife, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
-a housewife and a mother. -Yeah. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
I think that was the expectation. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
And that doesn't mean that they didn't work outside the home, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
as your nan's experience shows, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
but that that was something they did to benefit the family. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
Amba's interested to know about the challenges faced by women wanting a career, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
so she's going to see 82-year-old Patricia Barrett, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
who left school to work as a clerk in a city bank | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
and chose not to marry. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
I really wanted to be an architect, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
but my father was all for having a safe job for his daughter, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:25 | |
because he had come through the depression years | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
when lots of people lost their jobs and he kept his. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
And so he felt that to go into a similar bank to the one he was in, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
would be much better for me. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
-Did you stay in banking? -Yes, for 34-and-a-half years. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:48 | |
-So erm... -Was that what you'd wanted to do or was that just...? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
Well, it became so. You got used to it | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
and felt that perhaps the aspirations to be an architect receded, | 0:24:55 | 0:25:01 | |
but it took a bit of time. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
When you're not very happy you think, "Well, never mind, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
"when I get out I'm going to play tennis or be on the river." | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
So you thought about that when you were filing or doing something boring. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
Were married women treated any differently to single women | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
in the bank where you worked? | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
Yes, they most certainly were, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
because once they went away to get married, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
they either resigned or they were re-employed on a temporary basis. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:38 | |
I stressed to the management that I was making it a career | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
-and it wasn't just filling in time. -Yeah. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
I mean, by then they must have realised | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
I wasn't going to go away and get married. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
But, even so, I didn't want to have a sort of dead-end job, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
I wanted to...well, ascend the ladder, however high I could get. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:59 | |
Though Patricia did ascend the ladder | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
to become a section head within the bank's securities department, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
her gender caused her to be overlooked for foreign postings. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
This is a garden party...for the Mercantile Bank, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
which was my first bank. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
There were wives and children, as you see, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
and the building in the background was actually a rather posh hostel | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
for all these young men who were going east. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
And so they had, you know, they'd come from different parts of the country, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
they could stay there. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
And so they had grounds. There we were, that's me. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
-There's my best summer frock! -Oh, yeah. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
-Nice dress! -Yes. -PATRICIA LAUGHS | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
They had to be trained in London and then they had to do their banker's exams, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:49 | |
which the girls didn't have to do, it was not a compulsory bit. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
I cheerfully thought, "I'll be doing my banker's exams!" | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
But I was told not to worry about that and so I never did. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
Did men get paid the same amount? | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
No, it was not equal pay in those days. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
-Was that something you were upset about? -No. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
No, you accepted it, because that was the norm. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
In every field...men got more than women. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
-For the same job? -Yes. Yes. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
I think we were fairly... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
Well, I think...happy with our lot, shall we say? | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
Women who left to have children, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
was it quite difficult for them to get jobs? | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
It was extremely difficult for them. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
In the years before the Second World War, in a lot of jobs there were | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
-actually formal marriage bars. -Yeah. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
So as soon as you said, "I'm going to get married," that was it, end of your job. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
And that kind of suspicion of married women | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
and this idea that they're just going to go off and have children | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
persists into the years after the Second World War. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
But, as your nan's experience suggests, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
-that doesn't mean that women weren't working. -Yeah. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
But they invested different meanings in the work that they did. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
And I think women were always seen as different types of workers. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
I mean, Patricia's experience is a less usual experience. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
Most women did marry in our period. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
Some people have called it the golden age of marriage | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
and there was that expectation. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:20 | |
Then, in the early '70s, it just stops | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
-and the marriage rate starts declining quite rapidly. -Yeah. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
And, I think for me, that's the key shift. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
That says that you don't have to marry, you know? | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
And you might find all sorts of other ways of organising your life. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
It was quite surprising finding out about my nan, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
knowing this younger version of her was quite strange, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
but it was quite good to find out about her past experiences | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
and things that happened to her in her lifetime. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
The most surprising thing | 0:28:56 | 0:28:57 | |
was that women didn't stand up against anything. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
It was kind of like they put their view lower down, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
like it kind of wasn't about what they wanted at that time. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
And I think as time progressed, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
they realised that they could speak out and...campaign for change, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
which they eventually did. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
Britain was still in shock after the Second World War finished in 1945. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
Much of the country was suffering from the effects of bombing, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
food was still rationed, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:41 | |
and half a million men had been killed in combat. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
As a result of this loss of life | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
there was a huge shortage of workers. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
A Labour government swept to power in 1945 | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
with a promise to rebuild the country, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
and they needed immigrants to come to Britain to help. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
MUSIC: "London is the Place for Me" by Lord Kitchener | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
Elliot is the grandchild of one of those post-war migrants. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
He's 15 and lives in London. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
It's always good speaking to old people | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
because they always have interesting stories in their life. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
When my grandma tells me stories about their life together, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
it makes me want to ask questions to my grandad as well. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
Elliot's Grandfather Philip arrived in London in 1949. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
Unlike the majority of newcomers, he stowed away on a ship from Ghana | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
in West Africa, looking for a better life. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
They're visiting London' Docklands to see if Philip can remember | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
the place where he arrived, 64 years ago. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
All these buildings are new, all these buildings. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
What was there then? Do you know? | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
No, it was all a big harbour, you see a lot of ships. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
Before we landed, in the night, very beautiful, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
the lights, you know? | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
Everywhere, lights, beautiful. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
Were you excited? Or nervous, or...? | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
Yeah, we were excited. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:16 | |
Although Ghana was a British colony, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
and many of its citizens had been welcomed here, Philip had | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
travelled here illegally and on arrival, spent two weeks in prison. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
Once released, he was given an identity card to help him find work. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
However, even though work was plentiful, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
Philip was surprised that not everyone was well off. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
So you thought everyone was going to be rich when you came here? | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
Yeah, we saw people begging. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
I went to a Tube station for the first time... | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
a Tube station and it was written, "Beware of pickpockets". | 0:31:51 | 0:31:57 | |
So I thought, "pickpockets"? | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
We thought, "White man don't steal," you know?! | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
Elliot wants to know why thousands of people left their homes | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
to get here. He's come to see Dr Charlotte Riley, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
an expert on British post-war immigration. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
What made people come to Britain? | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
Britain has been physically destroyed by the war. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
There's been lots of bombing, it needs lots of rebuilding. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
The British government tries to get people to come over to Britain | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
to do lots of manual labour jobs, lots of building. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
Certainly people from the Caribbean were encouraged to come over | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
to do building work, and things like that. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
The new NHS, which was set up just after the war, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
that was a really big employer of people as well, so in 1949 | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
the British Government started to do campaigns in the West Indies and | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
in other places around the Empire to try and get nurses to go over. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
And lots of people came over for an adventure as well, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
they wanted to see what Britain was like. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
# Well let me tell you Ladies and gents | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
# I enjoyed myself to my heart's content | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
# I could not follow the procession | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
# But I was there to see the Coronation, I was there... # | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
Gloria Bailey was another immigrant | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
who arrived from Jamaica with her husband. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
She became a prominent member of the local community and Elliot | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
wants to find out how her experience compares to his grandad's. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
What did you do for work? | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
At first I went and got a job in a nursery, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:27 | |
looking after some little children. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
They were all white children, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
who were very petrified, wondering why we looked different. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
And my husband had a job at London Transport. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:41 | |
What were you expecting of England, when you came? | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
We thought that there would be lovely houses | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
and the streets were all sophisticated, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
but we were all rather disappointed when we came. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
It took a very long time to get used to the weather. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
Ages, as a matter of fact. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
And the food, there wasn't much of West Indian foods at that time, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
so we were chiefly eating the English food - | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
fish and chips was something we were very excited about. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
We were quite lucky, probably because we were a couple. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
But many people just came on their own, most of them men. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
With the felt hats and their suits, you know? | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
And I've seen big men cry, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
because they're not used to being on their own. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
The arrivals brought with them new cultures, food and music | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
and helped create a rich and vibrant post-war scene. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
The Notting Hill Carnival was first held in 1964, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
and was based on Caribbean carnivals of the early 19th century, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
which celebrated the abolition of slavery. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
It started with a very small number of people, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
the West Indians and Africans. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
People were sort of curious and even the white people were | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
sort of a bit nervous about going there, not knowing what to expect. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:17 | |
But the numbers increased over the years, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
and there were so many people going there. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
Everybody dressed up in their original or tribal clothing. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
And more and more white people, all nationalities were uniting, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:34 | |
people were bringing their children there. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
Britain has always had lots of people migrating to it, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
so British culture has always been constantly evolving through history. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
But this big influx of migration after the Second World War changed | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
British society quite dramatically and quite quickly in some areas. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
And then that changed wider British culture, so Britain got | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
more interested in things like Jamaican music, or Indian food. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
After ten years working in England, Philip met and fell in love | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
with Elliot's Grandma, June. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
They've been married for 53 years, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:18 | |
and first met in a fish and chip shop. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
When I got my cod and chips, I didn't have my money with me, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
so I stood there and a voice from behind me said, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
"Oh, I'll pay for you". | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
So when I turned round it was Opa. Well, I didn't know him then, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
so I said, "Oh, no, it's all right, Oh, no." | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
I was quite bristly! | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
And he said, "No, no, it's OK", and he put the money out, you know. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:51 | |
And from then on, you know, we just struck up a friendship | 0:36:51 | 0:36:56 | |
and we just became a pair, you know. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
We had a lot of difficulties, of course. Unfortunately we found | 0:36:59 | 0:37:05 | |
that people weren't happy to have mixed race couples in the house. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
Black people had houses, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
and because of the prejudice that they suffered, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
they would say, no white people. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
No whites, and then white people who had houses to rent | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
didn't want black people, so we were sort of stuck in the middle. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
There was a sort of card outside | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
saying, "No blacks, no children, no animals". | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
So you were treated like dogs? | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
Well, you were... | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
Put in the same categories? | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
Exactly, yeah. It was very hurtful, very upsetting. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
But what can you do? That was the life I chose, or we chose, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:52 | |
so we had to get on with it, basically. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
It would be strange walking past seeing signs... | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
Well, yeah, it definitely would be against the law now. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:03 | |
Took quite a lot of courage. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
I've learnt a lot of things that I didn't know before, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
like they were judging them on the colour of their skins. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
It's really shocking. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
They grew up quite quick, I would say, actually. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
Nowadays you tend to be a child a bit longer. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
You don't mature as quick. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
They were so brave because they put up with a lot of things. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Why would you want to travel, on a boat, to a different country, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
when you're quite young, just for the adventure? | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
That kind of, yeah, surprised me. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
On July 5th, the new National Health Service starts, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
providing hospital and specialist services, medicines, drugs | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
and appliances, care of the teeth and eyes, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
maternity services... | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
After the Second World War Britain changed dramatically, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
and so did the lives of its people. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
One of the most significant developments was a new | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
National Health Service, which began in 1948. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
It meant that for the first time, anyone who was ill could be treated | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
for free, and the health of the nation improved dramatically. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
15-year-old Kirsty from High Wycombe has good reason | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
to be grateful to the NHS. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
It saved her life when she was rushed to hospital | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
with suspected meningitis. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
That made me realise quite how amazing the doctors were, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
so that's when I decided I wanted to be a doctor. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
Kirsty wants to investigate what impact the NHS had | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
on people's lives. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
60 years ago Eileen, Kirsty's grandmother, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
owed her life to the new service. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
Oh, this one is taken over at Pepwood with my mother. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:11 | |
To me, you look quite healthy! | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
Well, I don't think I've ever looked ill, when I am ill. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:18 | |
Back in 1952, although Eileen felt healthy, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
she took up the offer of a free test | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
by one of the new NHS mobile X-ray units set up across Britain | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
to indentify individuals who were sick. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
They just took a small X-ray. About a couple of weeks later, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
I had a letter saying, would I attend the chest clinic | 0:40:40 | 0:40:45 | |
at Wycombe Hospital? That there was a shadow on my right lung. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:51 | |
The X-ray revealed that Eileen had TB, or tuberculosis - | 0:40:52 | 0:40:58 | |
a highly contagious disease that was responsible | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
for 10,000 deaths a year. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:02 | |
She was forced to spend the next six months in isolation in a sanatorium. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
Many of the patients in these long-term hospitals were children | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
who ended up missing months, or even years of school. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
Of course, once the NHS came in, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
well, you didn't have to worry about paying. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
So you're thankful, obviously. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
Yes, I mean, I didn't have any idea when I went | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
that there was anything wrong with me. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Kirsty has come to meet three former nurses who worked for the new | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
Health Service, to find out how the NHS changed Britain. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
Families were very poorly off, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
because they used to save up for the doctor to come, no doubt about that. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
Money was put on the shelf in the kitchen just in case | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
the doctor had to be called. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
Prior to the Health Service, you know, some people sort of | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
paid in kind rather than... if they didn't have the money, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
that sort of thing. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
A dozen eggs, or whatever they could afford, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
vegetables for the garden, all came our way. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
I think vast amounts of the population fell through the net, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
and were not treated, and therefore this was why | 0:42:15 | 0:42:21 | |
Mr Attlee decided that really, a National Health Service for all | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
was the one thing that he strove to produce. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
The new Labour Prime Minister, Clement Attlee, and his government | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
had established the NHS in the face of considerable opposition, and it | 0:42:33 | 0:42:38 | |
wasn't long before he too required treatment from the new service. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
I nursed Clement Attlee in Amersham, he wouldn't go into a side ward. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:48 | |
He said, "Oh, no, I'm very pro-the Health Service!" | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
So this long 25-bed in Nightingale Ward, and he was about | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
four beds down on the right on this ward, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
chatting to all the other people and so on. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
He felt very strongly that he had pioneered for the NHS and he wanted | 0:43:01 | 0:43:07 | |
to be like every other patient, and be treated like everybody else. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
Kirsty wants to find out more about life before the NHS | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
and has come to see medical historian Dr Carole Reeves. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:22 | |
So, what were people's health expectations? | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
Obviously, people who had money, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
and they tended to be the upper class and the middle class people, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:32 | |
they didn't have to worry too much about being ill, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
because they knew that they could always afford to pay | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
for doctors or hospitals. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
But, if you were a working class person, it was very different. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
And your expectations, generally, were quite low. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
You didn't expect to feel well all of the time. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
As soon as 1948 happened and the NHS happened, all the patients | 0:43:54 | 0:44:00 | |
who previously couldn't afford to come to the doctors | 0:44:00 | 0:44:05 | |
came and saw doctors or hospitals. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
So were people generally grateful? | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
Yes, hugely grateful. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
But although patients welcomed the new Health Service, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
many of the doctors who were treating them | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
were less enthusiastic. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
They thought they wouldn't get paid as much money, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
because all of their patients were private and they could pretty much | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
charge what they liked. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:27 | |
So that was something they didn't want to lose. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
And what the NHS said to them was, "We'll let you | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
"keep your private patients, and you can treat them in NHS hospitals, | 0:44:35 | 0:44:40 | |
"and we'll just give you some salary, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
"but we won't stop you treating private patients." | 0:44:45 | 0:44:50 | |
So they actually did very well out of it, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
and what Aneurin Bevan said, the Minister of Health at the time, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
he said he was going to choke their mouths with gold, | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
in order for them to agree to the National Health Service. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:05 | |
-A bit of a bribe. -A lot of a bribe! | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
The public now had access to all kinds of health professionals, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
including doctors, opticians and dentists. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
Kirsty is meeting Rachel Bairstow from the British Dental Association | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
to find out about the state of the nation's teeth in 1948. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
This might be an extreme example, but we can certainly say that | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
people's teeth were not in a good state of repair. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
Not at all! | 0:45:33 | 0:45:34 | |
The average person could not access dental care, prior to the NHS. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:41 | |
I think we can say people weren't smiling! | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
Ordinary people flocked to receive free dental treatment, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
and the system fought to catch up on the years of neglect, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
starting with false teeth. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:57 | |
Basically, in the first nine months of the NHS | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
they're making 33 million sets! | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
It's a lot. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
I think from a service that set out to help mothers | 0:46:09 | 0:46:15 | |
and children, and to carry out conservation of teeth, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
that's what they wanted to do, that was their ideal, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
actually, they ended up treating a backlog, if you like, | 0:46:21 | 0:46:26 | |
of a nation's awful teeth. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
And so this is really what made the NHS have to stop and say, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
"We need to introduce charges". | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
There was always controversy, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
if you like, over how that was going to work, how dentists were paid, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
so these were the initial problems that the NHS had to face. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
'It will be a long time before she'll need false teeth. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
'Yet many children are among the people in Britain - | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
'nearly half the population - who do wear false teeth.' | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
Over the years, governments have introduced charges in the NHS, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:59 | |
including paying to see the dentist. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
But the basic principle of the National Health Service - | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
that you can go and see a doctor without paying, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
whenever you are ill - remains. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
It was a complete change of the way people thought about themselves, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:18 | |
and they began to have much higher expectations of their health. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
They began to demand good health, as their right, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
which of course we all expect now. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
I thought it was very shocking, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
that before the establishment of the NHS, most people expected to be ill. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:37 | |
I think the government realised that there was a big issue that | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
needed to be sorted. I think the Prime Minister at the time was | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
very enthusiastic, pushed it through, and so did Bevan. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
People today do criticise the NHS, | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
but I think that they need to look at what happened before. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
Yes, they do have to pay for it in taxes, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
and it's not the quickest thing, but overall, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
you're getting treated when you need to get treated. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
I really realise now quite how lucky Grandma was | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
that she had TB after the NHS was established. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
She might not have been able to afford the treatment before the NHS. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:21 | |
It's really made me want to fight for being a doctor. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:27 | |
During the Second World War, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:44 | |
coal production was crucial to the war effort. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
High demand continued after the war, when coal supplied both | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
Britain's re-emerging industries and people's homes. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
In 1947, when the Labour government | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
nationalised 800 private coal companies | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
to create a state-owned industry, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
miners hoped they'd finally be safer, better paid | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
and more secure in their jobs. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
But the boom wasn't to last. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
The 1960s saw the start of the gradual shutdown | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
of Britain's mining industry. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:25 | |
15-year-old Sophie from York has a particular reason to want to know | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
about this boom, and later decline. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
My grandpa, Roger Hampson, was an industrial artist | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
in the post-war period, painting pits and mills. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
I'm interested to find out more about what was inspiring his work | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
and what happened to the pits after he finished painting. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
Roger Hampson is part of the Northern school of British painters, | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
who were inspired by LS Lowry. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
He captured a way of life that by the 1960s was slowly dying. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:03 | |
Sophie never knew her grandad, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
so she's meeting art historian Peter Davies, who did. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
How was he affected by the area that he grew up in? | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
When you look at the artists from this area, | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
who were all working after the war, in the shadow of LS Lowry, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:25 | |
they all pursued that industrial landscape as a theme | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
because it was true to them, it's what they had grown up with | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
and it was the immediate environment. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
And despite the kind of poverty, there was a kind of beauty there, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:40 | |
you know, wild beauty. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
This kind of amazing industrial architecture of the colliery, | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
and the structure silhouetted against the sky, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
it's almost like an industrial cathedral. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
He definitely has a strong connection and respect for the miners | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
and the industry that's happening at the time, I'd say. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
Do you think these paintings are good at reminding people of a time | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
like that, then, in the 20th century? | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
I think it's a very faithful documentary recording | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
of the visual beauty of this environment | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
and the people that were conditioned by that environment. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
Sophie has come to Tyldesley, a former cotton and mining town | 0:51:20 | 0:51:25 | |
where her grandad was born. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:26 | |
She's visiting Burt Wilcox, who first went down a mine in 1951, | 0:51:29 | 0:51:34 | |
at her age. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:35 | |
Coal seam would have been a yard high, about that high. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:43 | |
It were on your shoulder, and you had ten yards of that to get out. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:49 | |
When Burt worked underground, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
controlled explosions were used to extract coal from the seam. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:58 | |
And I used to go in, make myself as small as a mouse. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
It'd fall, whoosh, and it'd nearly blow your face. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:09 | |
Terrible, and I dream about that yet. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
And waking up, sweating. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
That was a miner. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:19 | |
Burt left mining in 1962. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
Shortly after, the local pits began to close. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
So, how is it different now in Tyldesley, to how it was? | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
It was a really nice place. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
It's a shame, really, Tyldesley - everybody knew one another. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
If you worked down the colliery, you knew everybody. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
There were 500 people, you knew them all. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
You know, because you saw them every day, you went down the shaft | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
with them, have a break and come up the shaft with them every day. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
You know, like, you go in a pub, any pub you went to, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
"Aye, aye, Burt." "You all right?" | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
"Having a drink?" "Yes." | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
You were made welcome. Even strangers were made welcome. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
There's not now, nobody goes out. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
Every club's closed, even Tory club's closed! | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
Since Roger Hampson's day, all the mines and cotton mills | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
have gone, along with the communities that surrounded them. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
You could stand in the middle of my allotment | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
and count about 23 big tall chimneys, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
there were factories, coal mines, engineering, brick works, the lot. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:38 | |
What is there today? Nothing. Only trees and grass. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
Would you rather be surrounded by the factories, then? | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
No, but I'd rather be surrounded by people working! | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
Sophie wants to find out whether the experience | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
in the northern mining communities is typical. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
She meets with historian Selina Todd. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
For people in the 1950s, looking back to the 1930s, | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
the '30s were a decade of poverty, of mass unemployment, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
of hunger, of uncertainty. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
And the 1950s and the 1960s, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
in contrast to that, were a period of great prosperity. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
That said, life didn't change all that much for everybody. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:25 | |
And the kind of improvement that Macmillan's speech was | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
alluding to - all the "never had it so good", | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
and the kind of images of the motorcar for every family | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
and new fashions and so on - many of those innovations | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
were confined to towns and cities in south-east England. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
Which then, as now, were far more prosperous than the cities and towns | 0:54:43 | 0:54:48 | |
in the north that were reliant on old industries, like coal. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
So it was certainly still a very divided country | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
in the 1950s and the 1960s. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
A few miles from Tyldesley was the Astley Green colliery. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
The workforce fought to keep the pit open | 0:55:08 | 0:55:10 | |
but found it impossible to meet the production targets | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
imposed by the National Coal Board, and it was eventually closed. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
Sophie's speaking to mechanic Cliff Graham, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
who serviced the steam engine which produced the power that | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
brought the coal and men up from the ground. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:30 | |
So I've got a picture with me, of my grandpa, | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
and he's actually drawing the colliery. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
And the caption says that it's under threat of being closed. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
So do you remember when this was? | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
Oh, 1969. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:44 | |
They were closing it in the end of 1969 but we were reprieved | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
for six months, on a target which we couldn't reach, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
and they closed it in 1970. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
What exactly was it that you did, working here at the mine? | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
I was a colliery mechanic. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
I used to service all the machinery, on the surface and underground. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
A lot of the collieries in the Manchester area were still steam. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:07 | |
I still love steam. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
Was it a good job, did you enjoy it? | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
I thought it was, it was interesting. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
There was always a variety, and you were never in the same place twice. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
And I used to like it. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:17 | |
Most of the local mines were closed in the '60s and '70s. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
Dr Stephen Catterall has researched the reasons behind the closures | 0:56:24 | 0:56:29 | |
in South Lancashire. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:30 | |
The colliery was closed because it didn't meet its targets. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
Do you think this was the right decision to make? | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
I think that the government could have done a lot more | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
in the 1950s and '60s than they did. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
The government was wedded to two ideas - | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
one was for mines to be profitable, | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
and also this idea of modernisation was never fulfilled in these areas. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:52 | |
So it talked about bringing industry into this area, | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
both parties did, both Labour and Conservative, | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
but it never actually came to fruition, never happened. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
So with coal production declining, Britain was reliant on imported oil. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:08 | |
This left the UK vulnerable | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
when oil-producing countries greatly increased the cost of oil in 1974. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:15 | |
By the 1970s, that idea of "we've never had it so good" | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
begins to fall apart completely. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
Overseas competition becomes a much bigger factor. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
Countries like Germany are forging ahead, and so when the crunch came | 0:57:28 | 0:57:34 | |
in the early 1970s, there was really nothing for British industry | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
to fall back on because they hadn't really undertaken any innovation. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:42 | |
And British industry, ordinary British workers, | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
really suffer as a result. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
There was such a strong community there, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
and they all did lots of things together, | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 | |
and even though I wasn't there at the time, just from speaking | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
to people who were, you really do feel that sense of community. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
From going to the places my grandpa lived and seeing what he saw, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:09 | |
I feel like I can relate more with his paintings and see why | 0:58:09 | 0:58:13 | |
he chose to paint certain streets, and certain subjects... | 0:58:13 | 0:58:17 | |
..how the industry closing down affected the miners | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
and the community around here. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
It's not something I'd learnt before. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
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