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CeeJay is 17 years old and lives in London. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
Her early teenage years were troubled and she began mixing with the wrong sort. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
When I first started off I was with a group of girls. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
I started to hang around then with older boys who you could say were | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
gang-affiliated and that's what got me on to selling drugs and stuff. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:39 | |
CeeJay is one of a growing number of vulnerable young women | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
drawn into gang culture. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
It didn't take long for her to get caught up | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
in a dangerous criminal lifestyle. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
Once you see someone make money through that, I don't know, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
drugs, and you see how easy it is, you think, "I can do that." | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Drug-dealing may look like easy money, but it came at a high price. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:02 | |
CeeJay's life started spiralling out of control. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
She lived in a constant state of fear. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
The relatives who cared for her didn't realise how dangerous | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
her life had become, until it was almost too late. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
He left a knife in my room. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
We kind of relied on it at times because we needed it. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Because, like, you could get robbed at any moment. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Getting robbed, you don't know, you could get stabbed at the same time. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
Something could happen. People go to all extremes. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
We left the knife in my room. My grandma took it. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
She called Uncle Tony and he said, "What do you need a knife for?" | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
I was like, "We need it." Obviously, we showed him the rock of cocaine. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
Well, it was crack cocaine. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
He just was like, "Whoa." | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
The episode brought matters to a head for CeeJay | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
and the relatives who cared for her, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
but despite the problems she had caused them, they rallied round | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
and helped her find the strength to move away from her former associates | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
and begin the first stage of recovering a normal life. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
I pushed my family to breaking point. I really did. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
Everyone just gave up on me. I didn't really care. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
I woke up one morning, I thought this is not the way forward. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
Because the way you go, you end up in either prison or death. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
I don't want to go to prison. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
I don't want to die, but that's what happens in that life. It's a cycle. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
Once you are stuck in it, you go round and round and round, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
and that's not the way that I want to go. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Almost a year on, CeeJay has moved away from her drug-dealing past | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
and the gang-affiliated individuals that influenced her, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
but it's been a hard and lonely road. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
It's meant severing ties with people she's been friends with for years. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
The experience has made CeeJay realise that she may need | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
some specialist help to ensure she can cope with the change | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
and remain on track. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:54 | |
-You all right? -Nice to meet you. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
Gwenton Slowly is a former notorious gang member. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
He is the living embodiment of how to perform an about-turn | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
and change things up. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:05 | |
Gwenton now advises the Metropolitan Police Force's | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
most senior officers on their anti-gang strategy. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
He also runs a project that rehabilitates young gang members, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
finding them jobs and homes in return for them | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
staying on the right side of the law. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
-So how long have you been on this road? -For about three years now. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:26 | |
We were all sat down thinking about firearms. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
That's how deeply we were in it. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
We just thought if we are going to do this, we need to do it | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
properly, we need protection because what if we get robbed? | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
What are we going to do? | 0:03:37 | 0:03:38 | |
See, this is the mentality that I have, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
but I just need to forget about it now, it's not good. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
Despite how far CeeJay has travelled, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
she is still only the beginning of her journey away from gang life. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
You are actually in the transition stage. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
It is very, very dangerous right now. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
It's a long road, and the temptation's going to come. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
What if I was to say to you, break your SIM card? | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
Oh, I don't know about that, my SIM card? | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
If you are going to walk away from the road, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
you have to get rid of all your old friends. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
I went through that same transition myself. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
Cos that temptation is always there. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
All it takes for someone to ring you one of them lonely days | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
and that's it, you are gone again. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
When you start getting to that point when you feel like, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
"You know what? I'm going to do a madness." | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
You have certain people like me who you can phone and whoever else | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
that is positive in your life, cos, trust me, it's going to come. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Right now, I don't know. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
I don't know. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:35 | |
CeeJay is beginning to realise how hard it is to completely | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
break free from the past. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
To help her move on, she visits a psychotherapist | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
in her search for answers. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
Can you say a little bit, CeeJay, about home life with Mum and Dad? | 0:04:57 | 0:05:03 | |
I have never lived with my mum or dad. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
So we can see maybe movement towards maybe some of the gang culture, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
the search for family. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
Maybe whatever that took, whether that meant crime... | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
-I made another family, really. -Like an extended? -Yeah. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
I thought like I had brothers and sisters that weren't actually my blood-related, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
but they would be there for me like brothers and sisters. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
CeeJay struggles to come to terms with the seriousness | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
of her past life. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
When we started selling it, like selling drugs, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
that's when I kind of realised how deep I was in it. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
-Are we talking about making it up to sell it? -Yeah, yeah, like... | 0:05:41 | 0:05:47 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
Oh, God! | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
This is bad. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
I can see that it is slightly uncomfortable for you, CeeJay. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
Maybe in a way, the laughter is a defence, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
but now in hindsight looking back, it maybe something that is | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
an uncomfortable feeling around what was going on then. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
Doing that, the people you're around, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
you are never safe at any point. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
-Yes. -But really, we were actually like really scared most of the time. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
I am going to tell the truth, sometimes you get scared, but... | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
Yeah. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:26 | |
..once you'd actually done it, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
you don't boast about it at all, it is nothing to be proud of. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
It's just horrible. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
Even the job itself of being... working with | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
and selling drugs as well, the job itself is not nice. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
Cos you just... You are just... It's no fest. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
Her experience with Mei Chung has helped CeeJay to confront | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
the criminality of her drug-dealing past, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
and to come to terms with the issues that made gang life | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
and its criminal exploits so attractive to her. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
'I feel kind of stupid, actually, for putting myself through all that.' | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
You kind of scar yourself for a little bit. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
Because the things that you witness and stuff, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
the things that you do, you never forget. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
In order to fully move on from a gang-affiliated past, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
CeeJay meets with Isha. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
Hiya, how are you? I'm good, how are you? | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
A former member of a south London girl gang, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
whose high octane exploits almost got her killed. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
I got into trouble when I was at school. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
I got involved in a girl gang. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
Drugs, you know, guns and that sort of life. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
I've had a very, very close friend that died, that got shot. You know. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
I had it look at myself and say, "Do I really want to be doing this?" | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
"Do I really like what I'm doing right now?" | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
What do you think about that sort of lifestyle now, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
do you think it is worth it? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
-It's not worth it at all. -Why? -The outcome is either death or prison. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
I'm not looking to die young | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
and I'm not looking to waste my life in prison. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
You want to look back at your life and say, "Yeah, it was worth living." | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
You don't want to look back at your life and say, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
"No, I've flopped and where am I now?" | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
It's been really good meeting you | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
because along your journey I was probably there at one stage. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Obviously, I haven't gone as far, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
but it's good to know you can come out of the other end OK. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
-So, it's cool. -You can come out the other end more than OK. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
You can come out of the other end and be on top. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Everything that I have done on the road, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
I put it in a positive way and I went far with it. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
I have found out that I'm a good speaker, a good listener, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
a good adviser, I'm a good businesswoman all round. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
So the same things that you were striving for | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
when you were on the road, still strive for that, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
but do it in a positive way. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
'Meeting Isha today was like proper putting the cherry on the cake.' | 0:08:43 | 0:08:49 | |
I'm not the only one who has changed my life and is trying to get where I need to get. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
So it's made me feel very confident about the future | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
and me changing. Yeah. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 |