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This programme contains some strong language. | 0:00:01 | 0:00:06 | |
Hello! I'm Tom Thurlow. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
I'm 18...and I live in Cheltenham. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
Can YOU make a name for yourself using the internet? | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
Some teenagers are sceptical. I never had any doubts it would get me where I wanted to be. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:32 | |
Take Lily Allen. She used MySpace and bagged herself a recording deal. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
Arctic Monkeys did a similar thing and now they're huge stars. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:43 | |
When I was 13, I had my first business idea - | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
to get books signed by their authors and sell them for more money online. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:52 | |
I would buy 50 books by an author, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
put them in my suitcase, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
travel up and down the country on the train and go to the signings. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:02 | |
I went up to the authors, Philip Pullman, J.K. Rowling, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
I got my books and asked them to sign them. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
I'd go, "I'm a teenager. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
"I need the money. Please can you sign these books?" And they did! | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
I ended up with bookcase after bookcase full with signed books. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
I thought I should set up a website, my own company, and sell them. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
Look, I have one last signed copy of Spirit Walker by Michelle Paver. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:31 | |
My next scheme was to buy domain names, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
you know, the www.something.com. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
I'd sit in my room, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
come up with as many names as possible, buy the domains, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
and sit on them until someone offered me a large amount of money. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
What about bluerainforest.co.uk? | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
What about stealingartwork.com? | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
What about quiz247.co.uk? | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
What about halo4.co.uk? | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
That's absolutely fantastic! | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
OK, so I bought 300 domain names, including halo4.co.uk, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
which I have really high hopes for. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
I've had Microsoft knocking on my door. Watch this space! | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
Then I got a sensible job at the bank as a business manager, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
It was a good job, but I wanted to be more creative. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
I wanted to be a TV presenter! | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
I sat in my lunch breaks thinking, "If I want to be a TV presenter, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
"how am I going to get my face out there?" | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
Other people had become famous using the internet. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
Perez Hilton has his gossip show. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
Chris Crocker was an internet phenomenon. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
I thought, "I could do this myself." | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Then I realised I had a nice big Hollyoaks fan page on Bebo. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
If I made an online show I would get my face out there | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
and I could end up being a presenter. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
What I did was get a friend, get a camera. hit the streets | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
and found out what people thought of that week's Hollyoaks. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
-Are any characters grabbing your attention at the moment? -Newt. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
-He's gone a bit mad. -Newt? OK. He's gone all schizophrenic! -Yeah! | 0:03:16 | 0:03:22 | |
-He's a bit weird, isn't he? -Yeah. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
I was terrified. I didn't know how people would react. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
But it went fine. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
-Is there a character...? -I think Warren should. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
-Guys, do you watch Hollyoaks? -No. -Hollyoaks is crap! | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
'I spent the Sunday editing, putting it all together.' | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
I was really pleased so I put it on my Hollyoaks fan page on Bebo, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:49 | |
which I'd set up because I was a big fan. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
The first day I uploaded the video it got 50,000 hits | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
and Bebo called me to say they loved it and invited me to London to meet with them. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:02 | |
And, after that, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
things just went crazy. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Hey, Tom. Good to see you. What are you doing now? | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
I'm fronting a weekly show for Big Brother, Big Brother On The Streets. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
I go to a different town and find out their views on Big Brother. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:23 | |
This autumn, I'm starting a new show for Bebo called Meet The Freshers. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
I'm going to get opinions on freshers, the whole transitional process digging the dirt, basically. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:35 | |
Sounds fantastic! | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
And I do online PR for Disney and Tesco. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
What does that involve? | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
I get a brief, whether they want to advertise a new ride | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
or the next trifle, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
and use social networking or search engines to promote their brand. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
Wow! Brilliant! What about the bank? | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
I've been able to quit the bank and followed my dream. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
This sounds incredibly exciting. How long has it taken you? | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
About four months, really. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
Wow! So, Tom, what do you attribute your success to? | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
I have achieved it in a short amount of time | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
and that's down to the internet. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
The internet can get your name out there, and get any brand out there. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
It's free. Anyone can access it. Its availability is just there. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:30 | |
Because I've used it and put my name out there, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
people can find me so much quicker so I do thank the internet. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
It's an amazing tool, something anyone can use. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
What message have you got to send to other teenagers? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
If people want to follow their dreams, use the internet. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
Great advice, Tom. Best of luck for the future. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Thanks! | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
I use the internet just about every day for a variety of things | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
like talking to my friends, entertainment, doing school work. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
I use social networking sites like MySpace, Bebo and Facebook, YouTube. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
'Craig is 15. He makes a conscious effort to reveal as little about himself online as possible.' | 0:06:17 | 0:06:25 | |
I've made all my social network profiles private. I don't post my phone number or address. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:32 | |
I'm confident that people can't spy on me. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
'But Craig is in for a shock. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
'Tom Ilube's company has developed internet tracking software. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:44 | |
'We asked Tom to see what personal information he can discover about Craig online.' | 0:06:44 | 0:06:51 | |
Garlik software, Data Patrol, looks through the digital world, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
through billions of web pages for an individual's information. | 0:06:55 | 0:07:01 | |
I think Craig may be surprised at the amount of information about him | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
that's available to a complete stranger. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
'We gave Tom just two pieces of information about Craig.' | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
I was given just your name and the fact that you lived near Brighton. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
-I quickly found your full name. Is that your middle name? -Yeah. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
-Your date of birth is out there. Is this your mum's name? -Yes. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
-Is that her maiden name? -Yes. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
-Do you often to go Scotland to see family members? -Yeah. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
-Were you up there for your grandma's birthday? -Yeah. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
-Is that your home address? -Yeah. -This is your school. -Yes. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
You're a student in year ten. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
-Have you been in this play? -Yeah. -Is this the role you played? -Yeah. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
It was interesting to see your actual IQ published online. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
Your e-mail addresses are out there. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Quite a lot about your interests in computer gaming and your user names. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:07 | |
-Apparently, you formed a band. -A very short-lived pointless band. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
-Is this your best friend? -Yup. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
-Is this your quote, "I'd like a girlfriend but a bunch of rabid fan girls would do"? -That's me! | 0:08:14 | 0:08:21 | |
As a complete stranger given a couple of hours | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
-I feel as if I know you quite well. -That's quite amazing, actually. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
Some information I'm going to edit or delete to make it more private. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
'So, how did Tom discover all this information about Craig?' | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
I used publicly available information, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
nothing that anybody couldn't just log on to. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
To start with, I was given your name and that you were from Brighton. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:52 | |
And so I threw that into a search engine to see what might come back. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:58 | |
Is this your MySpace page? | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
-Yeah. -I found a reasonable amount of information about you here. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
And some of the information about your interests seems quite personal. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
-Were you intending for it to be available? -I'd set it to private. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
I thought you had to be a friend to see it. Nothing too personal. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:20 | |
I don't have my phone number or address. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
And here we got a site that you set up when you were 12. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
-You probably haven't looked at it for years. -I never even used it. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:33 | |
You put a reasonable amount of information on. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
Here you've got all the old blog posts. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
It's amazing, when you read all your blog posts... | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
..how much you know about someone. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
'In one of Craig's blogs, he'd given away his date of birth.' | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Now, the interesting thing is you can go off to public sources like... | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
-Family tree finders. -Exactly. It has your mother's maiden name. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
Through nothing you've done, that information is publicly available. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
'Seemingly innocent details can link with others to create a wider picture.' | 0:10:05 | 0:10:11 | |
You're careful with telling people what school you're at. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
The school itself has published on its website information about you. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:21 | |
Finding your home address | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
that you've been careful not to reveal was more of a challenge. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
One of the things I noticed across 160 posts, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
the only mention of where you live is when you said, "I ran up to my house because I forgot my ticket." | 0:10:32 | 0:10:39 | |
That told me you live somewhere near your school. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
I knew where the school was so I knew that you must live close. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
'Simply by putting Craig's surname | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
'and the area into a search engine turned up more clues.' | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
What came up under the Brighton and Hove planning permission | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
was details of a single storey extension | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
in the name of your mum | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
that showed me your exact address. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
'Tom went to a house price site that also features satellite image maps.' | 0:11:07 | 0:11:13 | |
You can zoom in on it and see the car parked out the front, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
a couple of deck chairs in the back garden, a trampoline there. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
You piece together this information | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
and end up with a complete picture, even though you're a stranger! | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
'It isn't unusual to find out that sort of information.' | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
My advice to young people is to be conscious that when you put information online | 0:11:33 | 0:11:40 | |
you are making it available to a billion people worldwide - | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
people who might employ you, go out with you, members of your family. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
When you put information out there it stays out there. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
If you don't want it out there in the future, go back and clear it up. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
Kind of bring it over one eye. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
I think my work has a very surreal element. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Creative, it's got that fashion element. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
'Lara Jade is 19, a student doing a degree in visual communication, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
'but already making a name with her photography.' | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
The inspiration for this is mainly that gothic element, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
but also something theatrical. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Stamp your foot and then flick your hair but look towards me as well. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
One, two, three... | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
The way I promote my work is through the internet, MySpace, DeviantART. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:03 | |
I always state that I'm available to do photo shoots, commissions. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
My work's been used very well in different ways. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
Book covers are the main one, also CD covers, online magazines | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
and also features in magazines in this country. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
If someone wants to use one of my images legally, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
they e-mail me or get in touch with me on one of the websites, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
give me details of what they want it for and we go from there. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
'There's a downside to putting original images on websites. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
'People can use them illegally, as Lara found with this self-portrait | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
'taken when she was only 14.' | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
The top hat photo was taken on holiday with my family. I went out and bought a dress and hat. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:50 | |
Went back to the hotel, saw the light through the window | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
and thought that would make a perfect shot. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
I uploaded it to DeviantART, got good feedback straightaway, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:03 | |
a lot of people favourited it. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
The first photograph that I thought, "I've got something here." | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
Back in February last year, someone noted me on DeviantART | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
that the top hat photograph was used on a pornographic DVD. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
It was being sold worldwide on websites such as Hustler. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
I was horrified more because of the fact it was a pornographic DVD. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
It was quite disgusting. I didn't get any warning. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
It was put on the DVD without asking. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
I felt quite upset for a while. I didn't want to take photos. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
I felt anyone can do this. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
If one person can get away with it, quite a few people can. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
'Lara discovered the hard way about copyright infringement.' | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
Being a young age, it's quite hard to understand what copyright is. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:55 | |
Copyright is a very old and traditional form of protecting | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
the expression of ideas once expressed in a permanent form. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
'Mike Brookes is a lawyer specialising in copyright.' | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
Copyright attaches to traditionally artistic works - | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
paintings, photographs, books, films, TV shows. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
Once you own copyright in a photograph, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
you alone are the person who is allowed to copy it | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
or to broadcast it to the public. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
You can prevent people doing things with it without your consent. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
'The internet has made copyright protection much more difficult.' | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
The internet is worldwide, available for everyone and very easy to use. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
Two clicks of a mouse and you've copied a photograph. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
'What did Lara do about the copyright infringement of her photo?' | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
I first got my mum's advice on the situation. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
She tried to contact a solicitor over here but was made aware | 0:15:53 | 0:15:58 | |
it would cost her 50,000 or more to fight the case. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
I e-mailed the owner of the company, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
got a nasty reply so realised I couldn't do anything that way. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
I then took it the route of using the popularity I've gained online. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
So I put up online everything that had been said. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
Someone got in touch, a lawyer from America. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
He said he'd be willing to help me and because I can't afford the fees | 0:16:23 | 0:16:28 | |
the fees would be taken out afterwards. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
'The court case is pending. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
'Meanwhile, can Lara prevent her images being used illegally?' | 0:16:34 | 0:16:40 | |
The most you can do, from my point of view, is upload them very small. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
You can upload them 400 pixels wide and still have that view quality. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
You can do watermarking, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
leaving a copyright notice | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
saying that legal action will be taken if it's stolen. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
It's still hard, even though you do these measures. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
'It is hard. Lara's images are still regularly being used illegally.' | 0:17:03 | 0:17:09 | |
I get messages about my work being stolen quite often, probably once, twice a week. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:15 | |
This was probably one of the worst ones I've had recently. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
Mexican Fashion Week stole a self-portrait I took two years back. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
A person who took part in Mexican Fashion Week knew the designer, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:30 | |
told me about the use of my image and took these photographs. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
This was a flyer and this was a whole billboard full of my work. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
This was a nightclub in Australia advertising DJ nights. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
They used another self-portrait. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
This is a T-shirt in India sent to me. An on-looker took a photo. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:53 | |
'Can Lara take action over these copyright infringements?' | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
Often, if it's someone that doesn't realise about copyright, usually it's a young person, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:04 | |
you send a nice e-mail telling them to remove it. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
If it's a company I alert my lawyer and he deals with it directly. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
'Ultimately, there's no way | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
'copyright on material uploaded to the internet can be 100% protected.' | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
The advice has to be that, if you don't want your work copied on the internet, don't put it on there. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:27 | |
'For Lara, it's a risk well worth taking.' | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
I'm finalising the image, the final touches. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
We'll load them on the internet. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
I always thought using the internet is a good thing and I still do, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
even though there's been negative parts. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
I don't think I'd be where I am today with work being featured. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
There's no way of getting it out like you can with the internet. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
ALARM BLARES | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
As soon as I wake up, I grab my laptop, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
check my e-mails, MSN, Facebook. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
I had some e-mails I need to follow up, work related things | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
from journalists and from my speaking agency. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
I had messages on MSN that I replied to. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
And I keep getting text messages. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
That's James. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
We went sailing yesterday and it was really sunny. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
He just texted me to say he hopes my face isn't too red. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
I'm going to have a shower now. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
I just turned 18 and I guess I call myself a teen entrepreneur. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
I speak to companies about what it's like being a teenager. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
I had a really busy month last month. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
I went to Valencia and Aberdeen and Liverpool in five days, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
speaking to loads of companies about technology - how we use it, why we use it, what we use. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:14 | |
My toast is ready. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
What kicked it off was when I was 13 I heard about bluejacking, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
sending anonymous messages to other Bluetooth mobiles within a ten-metre radius. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:38 | |
I looked for information. Couldn't find anything. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
I decided to create a website, and the press picked up on it overnight. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
So that kind of led me on to be JellyEllie. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
The Guardian gave me this cool quote as the voice of the MSN generation. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
The BBC heard about that and got me on to talk about one issue. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
Once they get you they don't let go, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
so I've become their teenage expert voice, which is really good fun. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
There's a clip on YouTube, actually. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
-JellyEllie, are you part of the me generation? -There is a bit of that. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
I think that we're more driven, more determined to have success... | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
I'm going to London today to work on my business, jellyTeens, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:23 | |
a youth insight agency. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
I've got a network of 13 to 24-year-olds around the country | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
who help me give an insight to big companies about what it's like being a young person today. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:36 | |
I left school when I was 14. I was home-educated because I was so frustrated being at school. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:49 | |
I've only got one GCSE, which I'm proud of - business studies. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
I just had a really good bluejack, someone else waiting for the train. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
I sent him a message saying, "Boo!" | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
I could see him look around. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
I sent him another message. He was laughing, a bit freaked out. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:15 | |
It was really successful, really good fun. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
You can freak people out so at bluejackQ we have our own code of ethics that we all follow. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:25 | |
If you see that you're causing someone distress, you stop. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
This is where I work. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
Livity are partners on jellyTeens. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
I just presented my first project a couple of days ago and the client loved it, so that was a success. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:51 | |
I provided a media agency with insight into 16 to 24-year-olds pay-as-you-go mobile phone users. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:57 | |
I did video interviews, questionnaires, MSN interviews. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
I'm going to sign up young people on LIVE who want to be jellyTeens. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
You can join up, fill in a profile. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
If I get a client interested in people of your demographic, I'll get in touch. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:14 | |
I was telling you a bit about jellyTeens. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
It might be a questionnaire, a video interview. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
We probably have about 40 jellyTeens with completed profiles. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
When a project comes in, we'll search for a particular demographic, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
ask them to ask their friends, so it's a huge network. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
I'm off to a meeting with Michelle, a director of Livity, who are partners with me. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:41 | |
-What else are you doing? -Working on getting the website up. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
-I've got a contact doing that virtually for free. -This is a primary way we'll sell the service. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:52 | |
Yes. Definitely... | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Onwards and upwards for jellyTeens. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
I'm just having a webcam chat with my friend Sani in Germany. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
We met online three years ago. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
I couldn't put a figure on the people I know online. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
It's into the hundreds from all around the world. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
I'm showing Sani my new phone, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
making him jealous of my new toy! | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
He'll probably show me his phone and complain how ancient it is. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
He's telling me to stop it. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
I would struggle to run my business without my laptop, wi-fi and phone. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
It's all about online networks, getting the word out to those people | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
and getting contacts, clients through the internet. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
Contacts I make at conferences, I e-mail them, look at their websites. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
My top tip for a young person trying to be successful | 0:24:48 | 0:24:53 | |
using the internet or whatever means | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
is to follow up every opportunity and every contact they make. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
There are so many technologies that can help us communicate, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
it's so easy using the internet, you don't have to get out of bed to have a business conversation. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:11 | |
I occasionally will purposely leave my phone at home. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
It is nice to get away from it and feel free. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
Otherwise, I do like to be with my phone or laptop to keep in touch for my business. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:30 | |
Good night. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
This was me when I was probably nearer five stone. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
I would think that my chin wasn't prominent enough | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
and my cheeks were a bit chubby. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
The only thing that my dad said got bigger was my eyes. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
Everything else was shrinking. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
I was thinking, "I need to lose weight." | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
I look back now and it is scary. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
'Natalia is 25. She's an artist. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
'When she was studying art at university, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
'she began to suffer from the eating disorder anorexia nervosa.' | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
I was 19. Self-esteem wasn't great. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
Gorgeous girls were around me, looking fashionable. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
My weight was probably about ten and a half stone. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
Then I started a diet and people said, "Have you lost a few pounds?" | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
I went, "Yeah." That was a great feeling. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
The more I did, the more I felt great, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
the more I didn't want to do my art any more. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
So, in my third year I had to quit. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
At this point, my weight had gone so low it was worrying my family. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
It was my way of life and nothing else mattered. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
'Natalia was already using the internet to help with dieting.' | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
It led me to the internet, if I had eaten something what was the calorie content? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:04 | |
I used the internet to look for the lowest calorie recipes. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
'Natalia found websites and forums relating to anorexia. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:14 | |
'Some of these were pro-ana sites encouraging girls to lose weight.' | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
On the internet search, I'm finding forums with girls who exactly feel the same as me. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:25 | |
This was such an eye-opener. I felt such a relief. I was so lonely. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
My family didn't understand. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
These people I'd never met were experiencing the way I was feeling. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
It was giving tips. It was a big competition. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
Aiming to be the best at losing weight. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
It made me think I don't need to get better, I don't need to get help. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
Can't I just keep getting thinner? | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
One of these sites, a girl's writing that they want to become anorexic, | 0:27:54 | 0:28:01 | |
how to become anorexic. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
She's asking for advice to keep this illness a secret as long as possible | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
and how they can lose weight. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
It really does shock me. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
I can see what I used to read and think there's nothing wrong with it, but it really is bad. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:19 | |
I can see the effect people can have on others. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
'The internet is a vast ocean of information and opinion | 0:28:23 | 0:28:28 | |
'with plenty up there that can cause offence or even harm. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:33 | |
'Should people be free to say whatever they like | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
'or should there be some regulation of inappropriate material? | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
'Jim Valentine is moderator of TheSite.org, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
'where young people can discuss a wide range of issues.' | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
The maxim of the internet | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
was Voltaire's, "You have the right to say anything. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
"I'll defend your right to say it to the death." | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
Not that every place on the internet people can do anything they want. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
Certain things are acceptable in certain environments | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
and certain things aren't acceptable in other environments. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
What you'd say in a pub would be different to a job interview. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
I don't think there's any doubt that a website aimed at vulnerable people | 0:29:16 | 0:29:21 | |
run by people without any kind of framework or way of protecting people using it | 0:29:21 | 0:29:27 | |
can be damaging. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
The difficulty isn't removing the websites | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
as much as making sure that people have the ability | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
to search out websites that are genuinely helpful. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
'Is there any censorship in operation on TheSite.org?' | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
We don't do anything to restrict what people can talk about, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
but we do have rules around abusive behaviour | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
or posting racist or sexist material. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
In a case of someone posting "How can I stop eating?" | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
We'd hope to see a dual response, one from the moderators, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
pushing people towards fact sheets to give them more empowerment. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:08 | |
We'd also hope to see the other users of the website | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
would point out the troubling implications of the post. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
If someone asked "How can I stop eating?" you've got the opportunity to address the issues. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:24 | |
With the explosion of social networking sites | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
and the model they present, user-generated content, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
which is a wonderful thing. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
For every negative support group, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
I'm sure you'll find lots doing incredibly good work. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
'Natalia's convinced that the pro-ana websites held her back from seeking help for her anorexia.' | 0:30:40 | 0:30:46 | |
I lost a couple of years of my life. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
These websites put a halt to me getting professional help. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:54 | |
These girls from all over the world were posting messages. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
They'd been to a unit, how horrible it was, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
staff were horrible. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
They were giving a horrible picture and I was believing this. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
When I had the option to go into a unit, I was like, "I don't want to." | 0:31:07 | 0:31:13 | |
'Natalia was finally admitted to the eating disorder unit | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
'at Cheadle Royal Hospital.' | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
I stayed for six months, which has done me the world of good. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
I did programmes to understand why I needed to get better, self-motivation, self-esteem. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:29 | |
Right now, I am much happier. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
It's been a year and a few months since I left the unit. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
I feel like a different person. I am normal. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
That's a word that I used to be afraid of. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
Now, it's good to say I am normal. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
I am happy and I just want to carry on with my art | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
and my life that I missed out on for so many years. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
'Natalia's taking part in a campaign organised by the hospital | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
'against the pro-ana sites.' | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
There'll always be an underground of sites that people will find. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:04 | |
We want people to know that professional help is out there | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
and other people to talk to. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
It is illness. It's not, you know, a way of life. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
It can kill you, really. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
I'd always sit in school and think to myself, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
"All I had to do is just cut in the right place | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
"or take the right amount of pills and it'll be over. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
"I won't have to go through it any more." | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
It's easier to say than to do. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
'Bullying has always been a huge problem for many young people. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
'The internet allows violence and verbal abuse to follow victims home. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
'Sianie is 15 years old. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
'Two years ago, she was a victim of cyberbullying.' | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
It all started in year seven or year eight. Only 13. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
A few girls out of my year decided they didn't like me. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
When I started to change from being the same as everyone else | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
to dressing differently, listening to different music, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
they had a problem with it. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
I'd been told that a few girls in our year | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
had started up a hate page about me. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
I was at my mate's one night and I decided to check out this website. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:41 | |
The website she'd used was Piczo. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
I opened up the page and it had a picture of me on it. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
It had a phrase under it saying, "This is the slag. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
"If you don't like her tell us how much you hate her" | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
under this picture. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Then it had a box next to it with all these things they'd said, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
"Go kill yourself. No-one would care if you died. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
"Why don't you sort your life out?" | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
I'm just sitting there thinking, "What?" | 0:34:10 | 0:34:15 | |
'Things escalated when strangers who recognised Sianie from the site | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
'began shouting abuse at her in the street.' | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
At first, she said to me that some kids at school | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
were really bullying her, pushing her around, calling her names. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
Sianie showed me the site that had been dedicated to... | 0:34:32 | 0:34:38 | |
slagging Sianie off, basically. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
Knowing that all these people had seen it, there were 2,000 hits, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
it was just like someone breaking in and having a go at her. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
The one place she should feel safe is at home. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
And...I was just devastated. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
'Sianie also confided in close friend Becks.' | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
When Sianie showed me the website | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
at my house, I was really surprised. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
Some of the words were really harsh and none of it was true. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
She felt really depressed and upset about everything. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
I think it's easier to say it online. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
If they write on the page, "You're a bitch" | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
and then say to me, "You're a bitch" and I start crying, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:26 | |
they'll feel worse for saying it to my face than online. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
'Sianie's not alone. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
'In a study of 1,000 young people, four out of ten claim to have been targeted by online bullies. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:39 | |
'A fifth of children said they had posted offensive comments about others. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:44 | |
'Chris Seth is the European managing director of Piczo. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
'What line does Piczo take on cyberbullying?' | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
When Piczo's alerted to a case we investigate by looking at the site. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:58 | |
We are able to block the individual responsible for bullying | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
and stop them using the service. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
We do try to make it very easy for our members to get in touch. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
There's a "report abuse" button on every page, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
a "safety at Piczo" area of the site | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
where we emphasise the best practice. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
The best thing for Sianie would have been to have contacted Piczo. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
We commit to responding to a "report abuse" e-mail within 24 hours. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
'Sianie wasn't aware she could report the bullying to Piczo so how did they handle the cyberbullying?' | 0:36:30 | 0:36:38 | |
My first thought was the school. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
I wanted the school to be aware and to clamp down on things like this. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
When I told the staff they said it wasn't their problem. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
It was an outside school situation. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
'We contacted Sianie's school and received this reply.' | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
'Some schools, like Sacred Heart High School, west London, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
'are more proactive in dealing with cyberbullying.' | 0:37:10 | 0:37:15 | |
We take bullying, at school or at home, extremely seriously. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
We would investigate and we have the software | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
to provide us with the hard evidence when we investigate. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
'Amede Wilson is the director of ICT.' | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
We have a view of every PC in the school. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
I could bring up a student's screen and see what that student's doing. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
They're not aware of this. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
This is real-time monitoring. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
Then we have the other software, which does the screen captures. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:50 | |
'It contains potentially inappropriate words | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
'and alerts Amede to when they're being used.' | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
Here you see "bully". | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
From experience, we know that would be an assignment for English. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:06 | |
But we'd investigate it, just to make sure. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
We have the user, which machine they were on, the time | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
and the IP address. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
We have all the evidence. No further action is needed so we ignore it. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:22 | |
We have this software. It's no good if we don't have the knowledge. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
The scope for cyberbullying is wide. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
As we're speaking now, a new social networking site is being developed. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:36 | |
We need to always have that knowledge of what's new. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
'So, what happened to Sianie?' | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
I did a lot of self-harming at the time, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
which I live to regret. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
After a few months, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
I kept reading the same comments that I should kill myself, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
that no-one would care, I wouldn't be missed or anything. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
After a while, as I lost a lot of friends, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
I thought if I do kill myself there won't be a problem, this will stop. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
But I'm so glad I didn't! | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
I'm so glad I didn't. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
At the school, there were warnings given out to the main ringleaders. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:18 | |
I think that really changed things. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
Now the cyberbullying's stopped I'm more at ease with the computer. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
The social networks are much more aware of it. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
They're very, "If something's said, press this." | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
And it closes the site down. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
The thing I could tell anyone being cyberbullied is to tell someone. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
As hard as it is at first, as scary it is, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
it's better in the long run. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
If I hadn't told anyone I know I wouldn't be here now. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
Anyone that says I'm a puppet for Tony Blair... | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
'It used to be quite an effort to get your thoughts heard | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
'about important issues of the day. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
'The internet age has changed that, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
'offering swift communication routes for getting your message out there. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
'In spring 2003, hundreds of young people came to Parliament Square | 0:40:13 | 0:40:18 | |
'to protest against the war in Iraq. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
'The campaign was organised by Kiera Box and two friends. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
'They started in a traditional way.' | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
This is the banner we made. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
We got hold of a couple of hundred quid of paint, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
this incredibly long bit of material and about 20 mates. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:39 | |
We commandeered our school hall, hid behind the curtains and painted it over a week. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:45 | |
We called the campaign Hands Up For Peace. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
We got people to send their hand print to represent each young person | 0:40:48 | 0:40:54 | |
who wanted to subscribe to the phrase Hands Up For Peace. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
'The problem was how to mobilise people to be part of the message.' | 0:40:58 | 0:41:03 | |
We couldn't get people across the world to show support with something | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
we found it hard to move down the road. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
Our 30-metre banner couldn't move geographically! | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
'The solution was a website.' | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
It was a very low-maintenance, easy thing to send our message out on. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:23 | |
We didn't go for trying to over-shoot, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
trying to make something which was really exciting in loads of ways. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
We just got our argument out there, which led us to use online networks. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:36 | |
Not in the same way as Facebook or MySpace now, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
sending e-mail forwards through networks like Woodcraft or UK Youth Parliament. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:46 | |
We got a lot of people coming from the site who had seen the e-mail. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
They would send it on and they would become part of Hands Up For Peace. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
We had links to websites with guides to campaigning and protesting. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:02 | |
It got to the point where the website had a forum on it. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:07 | |
'There was even a downloadable hand print.' | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
When we started promoting it, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
we ended up getting 2,000 hands by the time war broke out, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
which was in the middle of March. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
These are some of the hands that we got. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
We had boxes from Saudi Arabia. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
We had e-mails with internet hands | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
which were made in Japan and Portugal and Australia, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
a lot of groups from all over Europe who we got messages of support from. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
Here we have "No more violence any more. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
"I wish there wasn't any violence in Iraq or on my street." | 0:42:43 | 0:42:48 | |
It's from a ten-year-old. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
'The hands were planted in Parliament Square | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
'and became a focal part when the protest moved to the street.' | 0:42:54 | 0:42:59 | |
While virtual campaigning is great, you have to take it into the world, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:04 | |
otherwise you're not achieving anything, you're floating ideas. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
It was called, by the Guardian, one of the foremost youth anti-war movements. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:14 | |
We were covered in the Evening Standard, on the internet, the BBC. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:20 | |
..even if we can't make a difference to what Tony Blair does. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:25 | |
I think that the internet gave Hands Up For Peace international appeal, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:30 | |
and it gave us a national profile as well. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
'The internet now offers even more possibilities for campaigners. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:39 | |
'July 2008, following the fatal stabbing of Ben Kinsella, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
'hundreds of teenagers take to the streets. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
'The march is organised through Facebook, by one of Ben's friends. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:52 | |
'Two months later, another protest against knife and gun crime, again organised via Facebook.' | 0:43:52 | 0:43:59 | |
There are lots of tools for starting a campaign. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
You can use social networking sites, YouTube, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
you could make your own video and get lots of people to watch that. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:12 | |
You can set up petitions on line, a blog around certain issues. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:17 | |
You can go to other peoples' blogs and respond to what they're doing. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
You can e-mail your MP, get together an e-mail campaign. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:26 | |
There's the e-petitions website or the Number10 website, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
where you start your own petition. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
Invite your friends to sign it and try and get something moving around something you're concerned about. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:40 | |
If you want your campaign to be noticed amongst the other campaigns | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
target your campaign carefully, be clear about what you want to achieve | 0:44:45 | 0:44:50 | |
and make sure you're not just using the internet, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
get your local newspapers, local TV stations involved. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
Use all the avenues that are available. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
-'And Kiera's advice?' -Start small. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
Start as active as you can with as many ideas as you can | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
then follow through on them because that's how you'll get people | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
who are following what you do and being inspired. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
It's because they see you, via the internet, doing amazing things. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:23 | |
On a school trip to the Tate Modern I was walking around for an hour. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:33 | |
This man had been following me then he approached me and said, | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
"Hi. You're Ellie. I'm Ian, Olivia's friend." | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
I had no idea who he was and how he knew my name. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
He starting touching my back and looking into my eyes. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:49 | |
I had no idea who this man was. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
'Ellie is 16. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
'Two years ago she was tracked down by a man 40 years older than her | 0:45:53 | 0:45:58 | |
'who'd found her by infiltrating social networking sites.' | 0:45:58 | 0:46:03 | |
When I was 13 I first got MySpace | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
and I started using it to talk to my friends and family, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:10 | |
people like that, contacting them. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
'The man who approached Ellie first contacted Olivia, one of Ellie's close Friends.' | 0:46:13 | 0:46:19 | |
I first spoke to this man when he added me on MySpace. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:24 | |
On his profile, his friends were people I knew. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
I assumed that he was a mutual friend. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
He'd leave me general compliments on what I looked like, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
but open ones, nothing sexual or anything. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
Here he said... | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
I was a bit scared, so I'd say, | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
"Please can you not do that" or "How did you know about that?" | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
He'd always have an explanation. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:54 | |
I realised he was looking at my friends' pages to get information | 0:46:54 | 0:47:00 | |
when he asked if I had a good day in town. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
I was like, "How did you know I was in town?" | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
He was like, "I saw your friend's page that you were going to town." | 0:47:06 | 0:47:11 | |
I had to be careful because it was what my friends were writing, too. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
'The man called himself Popcorn Puppy. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
'Although he communicated with Olivia's friends, he never contacted Ellie.' | 0:47:19 | 0:47:24 | |
I'd never talked to Popcorn Puppy. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
He just saw who I was through Olivia's pictures | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
and went on to my account through Olivia's account. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:35 | |
I had no idea who he was apart from what Olivia told me. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
She said that there was this strange man talking to her | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
and he was a bit odd. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
'Then came the trip to Tate Modern, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
'when Ellie became aware that she was being followed by an older man who finally addressed her by name.' | 0:47:48 | 0:47:55 | |
He talked about MySpace, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
how he had seen pictures of me and he knows me through that. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
I was thinking maybe he was a family friend or an uncle, | 0:48:01 | 0:48:06 | |
that Olivia might have shown her MySpace to. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
'He kept following Ellie, who suddenly put two and two together.' | 0:48:09 | 0:48:14 | |
I realised he was Popcorn Puppy, who Olivia said was talking to her. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:19 | |
I went up with my friend to him and said, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
"Are you Popcorn Puppy?" | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
He said "Yeah" and laughed. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
I was in my English class while the other girls were there | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
and received a text saying, "Popcorn Puppy's in Tate Modern." | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
I was shocked. How would he know about it? | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
He came in closer to me and started trying to touch my back, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:44 | |
look into my eyes and be a bit more intimate. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
At that point, I was a bit, "What's this man doing to me?" | 0:48:47 | 0:48:52 | |
'Ellie had her wits about her.' | 0:48:52 | 0:48:53 | |
I said, "Can I take a picture of you?" | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
He was like "Yeah" and posed for it. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
'Olivia was thinking quickly, too.' | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
I saved all the messages he'd sent me then gave them to the police. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:08 | |
'Ellie told her mum, Jane.' | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
I looked at her account to see what information she'd put on it. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
She had put a relatively small amount of information. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:19 | |
Even having the name of her school | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
meant it was possible for someone to wait at the gates for her. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
They knew what she looked like because of the photographs. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
After I got home it hit me how weird and scary it was, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
how he could come and meet me at any time. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
He could do it again. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
'Ironically, The police were able to track him down by the personal details HE'd put on HIS profile!' | 0:49:41 | 0:49:48 | |
The flat was full of pornography. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
A lot of it was child pornography, 20,000 images. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
He had level five pornography, apparently the most disturbing. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:59 | |
He was sentenced to 18 months for pornography | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
and six for the assault on Ellie. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
'But how many cases like Ellie's are there every year? | 0:50:04 | 0:50:09 | |
'CEOP is the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre.' | 0:50:09 | 0:50:14 | |
We receive, on average, around 500 reports a month of this nature. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:20 | |
Four a day are so serious we act upon them straight away. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
The reports we receive range from | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
young people being uncomfortable having talked to someone online | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
to young people who've been groomed, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
who've met someone who they had contact with online | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
and ultimately been abused. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
'CEOP has a prominent "report abuse" button on its website.' | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
If someone clicks on the icon they come through to a specialist police officer. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:50 | |
If it's a child the police officer or social worker will contact them. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:55 | |
It will be processed either through a local law enforcement agency, | 0:50:55 | 0:51:00 | |
an international law enforcement agency | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
or our intelligence and operations faculties. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
Social networking sites are fantastic places for young people. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
However, social networking sites have a real responsibility | 0:51:10 | 0:51:15 | |
to make those areas safe. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
Safety information is often hidden. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
It can be difficult to report. They're not doing enough. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:24 | |
'Ellie and Oliva have been taking part in television programmes | 0:51:24 | 0:51:29 | |
'to spread the word about online safety.' | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
I thought it was a bit weird that this man started talking to me. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:37 | |
'In light of their experience, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
'what do Ellie and Olivia do differently online?' | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
I still use social networking but I'm just a lot more careful. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:48 | |
All my profiles are set to private | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
on all my accounts on Bebo, MySpace and Facebook. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
I don't accept people I don't know. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
If anyone tries to talk to me, I don't talk back. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
I don't put up anything on my web page that would give any clues | 0:52:01 | 0:52:06 | |
as to what I'm doing, where I live or where I go to school. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:10 | |
I like the kind of games where you can really see the gore. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:21 | |
I like Mario Kart and Cooking Mama. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
I'm mainly a retro gamer. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
Horror games like Resident Evil and Silent Hill. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
My favourite modern game is Jet Set Radio. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
'These young people are dedicated game players, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
'happy to put the hours in.' | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
I can play the whole day. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
Two hours and a half. Not that long. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
An hour to two or three hours. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
A good five hours just slaving away at a game. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:57 | |
'Concern about the effects of video games on young people | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
'is behind the gaming industry's age rating system. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
'It's one of the first things considered when a game's developed. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
'At Electronic Arts in Guildford hundreds of developers | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
'work on games like Harry Potter and Burnout.' | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
When we're making games, we always have in mind an audience, | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
a certain age group, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:23 | |
male or female, and we have to think about what the age rating will be. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:28 | |
For example, we make Harry Potter, the target age group is 12+. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:34 | |
If we built content that wasn't appropriate we'd get a 16+ | 0:53:34 | 0:53:39 | |
and wouldn't reach consumers with that product. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
'The developers are guided by the Pan-European Gaming Information | 0:53:43 | 0:53:48 | |
'or PEGI rating system.' | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
The ratings are based on a number of factors - sexual content, violent content, drugs, gambling. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:56 | |
The PEGI age ratings available to us start at 3+. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
The next age rating is 7+ and in that you may have friendly combat, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:05 | |
a little bit of shoving, | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
but never rewarded, never, "Well done, you knocked down your friend." | 0:54:07 | 0:54:12 | |
For 12+, you could have a little human battling, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
no lasting harm to an individual. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
A 16+ game, there may be sustained injury. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
The player may have to heal themselves but it wouldn't be a particularly intense experience. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:28 | |
The upper age rating, 18+, | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
would find more violent content, traditional with film content. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:35 | |
There might be blood, some lasting damage and the like. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
'Developing the Harry Potter game, age ratings have been key.' | 0:54:39 | 0:54:44 | |
We wanted a 12+ certificate. We have a lot of spell-casting. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
In this one, we're casting magic against kids and had to make sure they weren't permanently injured. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:55 | |
They have to get up after a fight and give a little bow. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
'Whereas Harry Potter pits human against human, another EA game, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
'Burnout, sees cars challenge each other.' | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
Cars smash into each other and will destruct dramatically. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:12 | |
There are no humans, just cars bashing together. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
The game has a destructive feel, but it's never harmful. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
We have an upgrade patch available on line, which introduces motorbikes with motorbike riders. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:26 | |
At the point of impact, those riders are removed invisibly and the bikes are allowed to destroy. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:33 | |
As long as humans aren't hurt, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
we're not encouraging players to hurt humans, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
we can keep a lower age rating. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
'In Britain, if a game reaches a PEGI 18+ rating, | 0:55:41 | 0:55:46 | |
'or contains video elements like film clips or trailers, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
'it is referred to the British Board of Film Classification the BBFC.' | 0:55:50 | 0:55:55 | |
Since 1912, we've been classifying films for cinema, | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
giving them age ratings to say who they are most appropriate for. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
Since 1984, we've been doing that for videos and video games. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
This is Civilization Revolution, the kind of violence here | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
is very mild, there's no detail of injuries, blood or anything. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
We would lean towards Parental Guidance. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
'Much time and attention is devoted to getting the age ratings right. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:26 | |
'But what is the research evidence | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
'for a link between violent games and violent behaviour?' | 0:56:29 | 0:56:34 | |
It is extremely difficult to prove with the research done up to now. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:39 | |
It may be that it'll never be shown, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
but there is a balance of research on both sides to weigh up. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
If you show that people who play violent video games as children are violent as adults | 0:56:46 | 0:56:52 | |
nothing says they weren't violent and that's why they were attracted to violent games. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:59 | |
'It's not surprising that parents are uncertain about the relevance of age ratings.' | 0:56:59 | 0:57:05 | |
The classification of the games, I admit, I don't pay attention to. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:10 | |
There's a great range what children can cope with, how mature they are, | 0:57:10 | 0:57:15 | |
how well they define the difference between fantasy and reality. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:21 | |
I raise my children that just cos you see doesn't mean you do it. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:27 | |
The main thing is to know what you let your children see. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
Many parents don't play games and don't have any interest in them. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:35 | |
It's unfortunate that they're not aware of what's in the stuff their children are seeing. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:41 | |
'Despite all the measures to protect young people from exposure to inappropriate material, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:48 | |
'the young people have their own ideas.' | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
I don't take much notice of that type of stuff. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
And I'm sure any other kid would say the exact same thing. | 0:57:55 | 0:58:01 | |
Kids of eight playing a game that's really violent shouldn't be allowed. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:06 | |
That'll kind of affect them, really. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
I don't think it should affect people above ten. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
By that stage, you don't go off killing people unless you are crazy. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:17 | |
If it's too much swearing, I won't play. I won't do that type of thing. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:22 | |
It's all really rubbish because video games don't mean anything. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:27 | |
The kids buy them anyway. It's just society's way of annoying kids. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:33 | |
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