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Hello! I'm Tom Thurlow.

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I'm 18...and I live in Cheltenham.

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Can YOU make a name for yourself using the internet?

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Some teenagers are sceptical. I never had any doubts it would get me where I wanted to be.

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Take Lily Allen. She used MySpace and bagged herself a recording deal.

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Arctic Monkeys did a similar thing and now they're huge stars.

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When I was 13, I had my first business idea -

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to get books signed by their authors and sell them for more money online.

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I would buy 50 books by an author,

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put them in my suitcase,

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travel up and down the country on the train and go to the signings.

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I went up to the authors, Philip Pullman, J.K. Rowling,

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I got my books and asked them to sign them.

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I'd go, "I'm a teenager.

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"I need the money. Please can you sign these books?" And they did!

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I ended up with bookcase after bookcase full with signed books.

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I thought I should set up a website, my own company, and sell them.

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Look, I have one last signed copy of Spirit Walker by Michelle Paver.

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My next scheme was to buy domain names,

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you know, the www.something.com.

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I'd sit in my room,

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come up with as many names as possible, buy the domains,

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and sit on them until someone offered me a large amount of money.

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What about bluerainforest.co.uk?

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What about stealingartwork.com?

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What about quiz247.co.uk?

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What about halo4.co.uk?

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That's absolutely fantastic!

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OK, so I bought 300 domain names, including halo4.co.uk,

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which I have really high hopes for.

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I've had Microsoft knocking on my door. Watch this space!

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Then I got a sensible job at the bank as a business manager,

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It was a good job, but I wanted to be more creative.

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I wanted to be a TV presenter!

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I sat in my lunch breaks thinking, "If I want to be a TV presenter,

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"how am I going to get my face out there?"

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Other people had become famous using the internet.

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Perez Hilton has his gossip show.

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Chris Crocker was an internet phenomenon.

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I thought, "I could do this myself."

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Then I realised I had a nice big Hollyoaks fan page on Bebo.

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If I made an online show I would get my face out there

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and I could end up being a presenter.

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What I did was get a friend, get a camera. hit the streets

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and found out what people thought of that week's Hollyoaks.

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-Are any characters grabbing your attention at the moment?

-Newt.

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-He's gone a bit mad.

-Newt? OK. He's gone all schizophrenic!

-Yeah!

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-He's a bit weird, isn't he?

-Yeah.

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I was terrified. I didn't know how people would react.

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But it went fine.

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-Is there a character...?

-I think Warren should.

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-Guys, do you watch Hollyoaks?

-No.

-Hollyoaks is crap!

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'I spent the Sunday editing, putting it all together.'

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I was really pleased so I put it on my Hollyoaks fan page on Bebo,

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which I'd set up because I was a big fan.

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The first day I uploaded the video it got 50,000 hits

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and Bebo called me to say they loved it and invited me to London to meet with them.

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And, after that,

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things just went crazy.

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Hey, Tom. Good to see you. What are you doing now?

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I'm fronting a weekly show for Big Brother, Big Brother On The Streets.

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I go to a different town and find out their views on Big Brother.

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This autumn, I'm starting a new show for Bebo called Meet The Freshers.

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I'm going to get opinions on freshers, the whole transitional process digging the dirt, basically.

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Sounds fantastic!

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And I do online PR for Disney and Tesco.

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What does that involve?

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I get a brief, whether they want to advertise a new ride

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or the next trifle,

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and use social networking or search engines to promote their brand.

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Wow! Brilliant! What about the bank?

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I've been able to quit the bank and followed my dream.

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This sounds incredibly exciting. How long has it taken you?

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About four months, really.

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Wow! So, Tom, what do you attribute your success to?

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I have achieved it in a short amount of time

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and that's down to the internet.

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The internet can get your name out there, and get any brand out there.

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It's free. Anyone can access it. Its availability is just there.

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Because I've used it and put my name out there,

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people can find me so much quicker so I do thank the internet.

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It's an amazing tool, something anyone can use.

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What message have you got to send to other teenagers?

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If people want to follow their dreams, use the internet.

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Great advice, Tom. Best of luck for the future.

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Thanks!

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I use the internet just about every day for a variety of things

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like talking to my friends, entertainment, doing school work.

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I use social networking sites like MySpace, Bebo and Facebook, YouTube.

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'Craig is 15. He makes a conscious effort to reveal as little about himself online as possible.'

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I've made all my social network profiles private. I don't post my phone number or address.

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I'm confident that people can't spy on me.

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'But Craig is in for a shock.

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'Tom Ilube's company has developed internet tracking software.

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'We asked Tom to see what personal information he can discover about Craig online.'

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Garlik software, Data Patrol, looks through the digital world,

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through billions of web pages for an individual's information.

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I think Craig may be surprised at the amount of information about him

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that's available to a complete stranger.

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'We gave Tom just two pieces of information about Craig.'

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I was given just your name and the fact that you lived near Brighton.

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-I quickly found your full name. Is that your middle name?

-Yeah.

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-Your date of birth is out there. Is this your mum's name?

-Yes.

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-Is that her maiden name?

-Yes.

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-Do you often to go Scotland to see family members?

-Yeah.

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-Were you up there for your grandma's birthday?

-Yeah.

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-Is that your home address?

-Yeah.

-This is your school.

-Yes.

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You're a student in year ten.

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-Have you been in this play?

-Yeah.

-Is this the role you played?

-Yeah.

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It was interesting to see your actual IQ published online.

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Your e-mail addresses are out there.

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Quite a lot about your interests in computer gaming and your user names.

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-Apparently, you formed a band.

-A very short-lived pointless band.

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-Is this your best friend?

-Yup.

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-Is this your quote, "I'd like a girlfriend but a bunch of rabid fan girls would do"?

-That's me!

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As a complete stranger given a couple of hours

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-I feel as if I know you quite well.

-That's quite amazing, actually.

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Some information I'm going to edit or delete to make it more private.

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'So, how did Tom discover all this information about Craig?'

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I used publicly available information,

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nothing that anybody couldn't just log on to.

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To start with, I was given your name and that you were from Brighton.

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And so I threw that into a search engine to see what might come back.

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Is this your MySpace page?

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-Yeah.

-I found a reasonable amount of information about you here.

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And some of the information about your interests seems quite personal.

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-Were you intending for it to be available?

-I'd set it to private.

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I thought you had to be a friend to see it. Nothing too personal.

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I don't have my phone number or address.

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And here we got a site that you set up when you were 12.

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-You probably haven't looked at it for years.

-I never even used it.

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You put a reasonable amount of information on.

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Here you've got all the old blog posts.

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It's amazing, when you read all your blog posts...

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..how much you know about someone.

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'In one of Craig's blogs, he'd given away his date of birth.'

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Now, the interesting thing is you can go off to public sources like...

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-Family tree finders.

-Exactly. It has your mother's maiden name.

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Through nothing you've done, that information is publicly available.

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'Seemingly innocent details can link with others to create a wider picture.'

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You're careful with telling people what school you're at.

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The school itself has published on its website information about you.

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Finding your home address

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that you've been careful not to reveal was more of a challenge.

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One of the things I noticed across 160 posts,

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the only mention of where you live is when you said, "I ran up to my house because I forgot my ticket."

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That told me you live somewhere near your school.

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I knew where the school was so I knew that you must live close.

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'Simply by putting Craig's surname

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'and the area into a search engine turned up more clues.'

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What came up under the Brighton and Hove planning permission

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was details of a single storey extension

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in the name of your mum

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that showed me your exact address.

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'Tom went to a house price site that also features satellite image maps.'

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You can zoom in on it and see the car parked out the front,

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a couple of deck chairs in the back garden, a trampoline there.

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You piece together this information

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and end up with a complete picture, even though you're a stranger!

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'It isn't unusual to find out that sort of information.'

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My advice to young people is to be conscious that when you put information online

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you are making it available to a billion people worldwide -

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people who might employ you, go out with you, members of your family.

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When you put information out there it stays out there.

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If you don't want it out there in the future, go back and clear it up.

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Kind of bring it over one eye.

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I think my work has a very surreal element.

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Creative, it's got that fashion element.

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'Lara Jade is 19, a student doing a degree in visual communication,

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'but already making a name with her photography.'

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The inspiration for this is mainly that gothic element,

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but also something theatrical.

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Stamp your foot and then flick your hair but look towards me as well.

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One, two, three...

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The way I promote my work is through the internet, MySpace, DeviantART.

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I always state that I'm available to do photo shoots, commissions.

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My work's been used very well in different ways.

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Book covers are the main one, also CD covers, online magazines

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and also features in magazines in this country.

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If someone wants to use one of my images legally,

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they e-mail me or get in touch with me on one of the websites,

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give me details of what they want it for and we go from there.

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'There's a downside to putting original images on websites.

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'People can use them illegally, as Lara found with this self-portrait

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'taken when she was only 14.'

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The top hat photo was taken on holiday with my family. I went out and bought a dress and hat.

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Went back to the hotel, saw the light through the window

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and thought that would make a perfect shot.

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I uploaded it to DeviantART, got good feedback straightaway,

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a lot of people favourited it.

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The first photograph that I thought, "I've got something here."

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Back in February last year, someone noted me on DeviantART

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that the top hat photograph was used on a pornographic DVD.

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It was being sold worldwide on websites such as Hustler.

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I was horrified more because of the fact it was a pornographic DVD.

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It was quite disgusting. I didn't get any warning.

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It was put on the DVD without asking.

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I felt quite upset for a while. I didn't want to take photos.

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I felt anyone can do this.

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If one person can get away with it, quite a few people can.

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'Lara discovered the hard way about copyright infringement.'

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Being a young age, it's quite hard to understand what copyright is.

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Copyright is a very old and traditional form of protecting

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the expression of ideas once expressed in a permanent form.

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'Mike Brookes is a lawyer specialising in copyright.'

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Copyright attaches to traditionally artistic works -

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paintings, photographs, books, films, TV shows.

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Once you own copyright in a photograph,

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you alone are the person who is allowed to copy it

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or to broadcast it to the public.

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You can prevent people doing things with it without your consent.

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'The internet has made copyright protection much more difficult.'

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The internet is worldwide, available for everyone and very easy to use.

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Two clicks of a mouse and you've copied a photograph.

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'What did Lara do about the copyright infringement of her photo?'

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I first got my mum's advice on the situation.

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She tried to contact a solicitor over here but was made aware

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it would cost her 50,000 or more to fight the case.

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I e-mailed the owner of the company,

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got a nasty reply so realised I couldn't do anything that way.

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I then took it the route of using the popularity I've gained online.

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So I put up online everything that had been said.

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Someone got in touch, a lawyer from America.

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He said he'd be willing to help me and because I can't afford the fees

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the fees would be taken out afterwards.

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'The court case is pending.

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'Meanwhile, can Lara prevent her images being used illegally?'

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The most you can do, from my point of view, is upload them very small.

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You can upload them 400 pixels wide and still have that view quality.

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You can do watermarking,

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leaving a copyright notice

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saying that legal action will be taken if it's stolen.

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It's still hard, even though you do these measures.

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'It is hard. Lara's images are still regularly being used illegally.'

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I get messages about my work being stolen quite often, probably once, twice a week.

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This was probably one of the worst ones I've had recently.

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Mexican Fashion Week stole a self-portrait I took two years back.

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A person who took part in Mexican Fashion Week knew the designer,

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told me about the use of my image and took these photographs.

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This was a flyer and this was a whole billboard full of my work.

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This was a nightclub in Australia advertising DJ nights.

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They used another self-portrait.

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This is a T-shirt in India sent to me. An on-looker took a photo.

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'Can Lara take action over these copyright infringements?'

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Often, if it's someone that doesn't realise about copyright, usually it's a young person,

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you send a nice e-mail telling them to remove it.

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If it's a company I alert my lawyer and he deals with it directly.

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'Ultimately, there's no way

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'copyright on material uploaded to the internet can be 100% protected.'

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The advice has to be that, if you don't want your work copied on the internet, don't put it on there.

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'For Lara, it's a risk well worth taking.'

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I'm finalising the image, the final touches.

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We'll load them on the internet.

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I always thought using the internet is a good thing and I still do,

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even though there's been negative parts.

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I don't think I'd be where I am today with work being featured.

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There's no way of getting it out like you can with the internet.

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ALARM BLARES

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As soon as I wake up, I grab my laptop,

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check my e-mails, MSN, Facebook.

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I had some e-mails I need to follow up, work related things

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from journalists and from my speaking agency.

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I had messages on MSN that I replied to.

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And I keep getting text messages.

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That's James.

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We went sailing yesterday and it was really sunny.

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He just texted me to say he hopes my face isn't too red.

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I'm going to have a shower now.

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I just turned 18 and I guess I call myself a teen entrepreneur.

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I speak to companies about what it's like being a teenager.

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I had a really busy month last month.

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I went to Valencia and Aberdeen and Liverpool in five days,

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speaking to loads of companies about technology - how we use it, why we use it, what we use.

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My toast is ready.

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What kicked it off was when I was 13 I heard about bluejacking,

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sending anonymous messages to other Bluetooth mobiles within a ten-metre radius.

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I looked for information. Couldn't find anything.

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I decided to create a website, and the press picked up on it overnight.

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So that kind of led me on to be JellyEllie.

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The Guardian gave me this cool quote as the voice of the MSN generation.

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The BBC heard about that and got me on to talk about one issue.

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Once they get you they don't let go,

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so I've become their teenage expert voice, which is really good fun.

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There's a clip on YouTube, actually.

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-JellyEllie, are you part of the me generation?

-There is a bit of that.

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I think that we're more driven, more determined to have success...

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I'm going to London today to work on my business, jellyTeens,

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a youth insight agency.

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I've got a network of 13 to 24-year-olds around the country

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who help me give an insight to big companies about what it's like being a young person today.

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I left school when I was 14. I was home-educated because I was so frustrated being at school.

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I've only got one GCSE, which I'm proud of - business studies.

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I just had a really good bluejack, someone else waiting for the train.

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I sent him a message saying, "Boo!"

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I could see him look around.

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I sent him another message. He was laughing, a bit freaked out.

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It was really successful, really good fun.

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You can freak people out so at bluejackQ we have our own code of ethics that we all follow.

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If you see that you're causing someone distress, you stop.

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This is where I work.

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Livity are partners on jellyTeens.

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I just presented my first project a couple of days ago and the client loved it, so that was a success.

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I provided a media agency with insight into 16 to 24-year-olds pay-as-you-go mobile phone users.

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I did video interviews, questionnaires, MSN interviews.

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I'm going to sign up young people on LIVE who want to be jellyTeens.

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You can join up, fill in a profile.

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If I get a client interested in people of your demographic, I'll get in touch.

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I was telling you a bit about jellyTeens.

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It might be a questionnaire, a video interview.

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We probably have about 40 jellyTeens with completed profiles.

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When a project comes in, we'll search for a particular demographic,

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ask them to ask their friends, so it's a huge network.

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I'm off to a meeting with Michelle, a director of Livity, who are partners with me.

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-What else are you doing?

-Working on getting the website up.

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-I've got a contact doing that virtually for free.

-This is a primary way we'll sell the service.

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Yes. Definitely...

0:23:520:23:55

Onwards and upwards for jellyTeens.

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I'm just having a webcam chat with my friend Sani in Germany.

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We met online three years ago.

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I couldn't put a figure on the people I know online.

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It's into the hundreds from all around the world.

0:24:140:24:18

I'm showing Sani my new phone,

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making him jealous of my new toy!

0:24:200:24:23

He'll probably show me his phone and complain how ancient it is.

0:24:230:24:27

He's telling me to stop it.

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I would struggle to run my business without my laptop, wi-fi and phone.

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It's all about online networks, getting the word out to those people

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and getting contacts, clients through the internet.

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Contacts I make at conferences, I e-mail them, look at their websites.

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My top tip for a young person trying to be successful

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using the internet or whatever means

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is to follow up every opportunity and every contact they make.

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There are so many technologies that can help us communicate,

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it's so easy using the internet, you don't have to get out of bed to have a business conversation.

0:25:040:25:11

I occasionally will purposely leave my phone at home.

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It is nice to get away from it and feel free.

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Otherwise, I do like to be with my phone or laptop to keep in touch for my business.

0:25:230:25:30

Good night.

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This was me when I was probably nearer five stone.

0:25:400:25:44

I would think that my chin wasn't prominent enough

0:25:440:25:48

and my cheeks were a bit chubby.

0:25:480:25:50

The only thing that my dad said got bigger was my eyes.

0:25:500:25:54

Everything else was shrinking.

0:25:540:25:57

I was thinking, "I need to lose weight."

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I look back now and it is scary.

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'Natalia is 25. She's an artist.

0:26:030:26:07

'When she was studying art at university,

0:26:070:26:10

'she began to suffer from the eating disorder anorexia nervosa.'

0:26:100:26:15

I was 19. Self-esteem wasn't great.

0:26:150:26:18

Gorgeous girls were around me, looking fashionable.

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My weight was probably about ten and a half stone.

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Then I started a diet and people said, "Have you lost a few pounds?"

0:26:250:26:30

I went, "Yeah." That was a great feeling.

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The more I did, the more I felt great,

0:26:330:26:37

the more I didn't want to do my art any more.

0:26:370:26:40

So, in my third year I had to quit.

0:26:400:26:44

At this point, my weight had gone so low it was worrying my family.

0:26:440:26:49

It was my way of life and nothing else mattered.

0:26:490:26:54

'Natalia was already using the internet to help with dieting.'

0:26:540:26:58

It led me to the internet, if I had eaten something what was the calorie content?

0:26:580:27:04

I used the internet to look for the lowest calorie recipes.

0:27:040:27:07

'Natalia found websites and forums relating to anorexia.

0:27:070:27:14

'Some of these were pro-ana sites encouraging girls to lose weight.'

0:27:140:27:19

On the internet search, I'm finding forums with girls who exactly feel the same as me.

0:27:190:27:25

This was such an eye-opener. I felt such a relief. I was so lonely.

0:27:250:27:30

My family didn't understand.

0:27:300:27:33

These people I'd never met were experiencing the way I was feeling.

0:27:330:27:38

It was giving tips. It was a big competition.

0:27:380:27:42

Aiming to be the best at losing weight.

0:27:420:27:46

It made me think I don't need to get better, I don't need to get help.

0:27:460:27:51

Can't I just keep getting thinner?

0:27:510:27:54

One of these sites, a girl's writing that they want to become anorexic,

0:27:540:28:01

how to become anorexic.

0:28:010:28:03

She's asking for advice to keep this illness a secret as long as possible

0:28:030:28:08

and how they can lose weight.

0:28:080:28:11

It really does shock me.

0:28:110:28:13

I can see what I used to read and think there's nothing wrong with it, but it really is bad.

0:28:130:28:19

I can see the effect people can have on others.

0:28:190:28:23

'The internet is a vast ocean of information and opinion

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'with plenty up there that can cause offence or even harm.

0:28:280:28:33

'Should people be free to say whatever they like

0:28:330:28:36

'or should there be some regulation of inappropriate material?

0:28:360:28:41

'Jim Valentine is moderator of TheSite.org,

0:28:410:28:44

'where young people can discuss a wide range of issues.'

0:28:440:28:49

The maxim of the internet

0:28:490:28:52

was Voltaire's, "You have the right to say anything.

0:28:520:28:56

"I'll defend your right to say it to the death."

0:28:560:28:59

Not that every place on the internet people can do anything they want.

0:28:590:29:04

Certain things are acceptable in certain environments

0:29:040:29:08

and certain things aren't acceptable in other environments.

0:29:080:29:12

What you'd say in a pub would be different to a job interview.

0:29:120:29:16

I don't think there's any doubt that a website aimed at vulnerable people

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run by people without any kind of framework or way of protecting people using it

0:29:210:29:27

can be damaging.

0:29:270:29:30

The difficulty isn't removing the websites

0:29:300:29:33

as much as making sure that people have the ability

0:29:330:29:37

to search out websites that are genuinely helpful.

0:29:370:29:40

'Is there any censorship in operation on TheSite.org?'

0:29:400:29:44

We don't do anything to restrict what people can talk about,

0:29:440:29:48

but we do have rules around abusive behaviour

0:29:480:29:52

or posting racist or sexist material.

0:29:520:29:54

In a case of someone posting "How can I stop eating?"

0:29:540:29:58

We'd hope to see a dual response, one from the moderators,

0:29:580:30:02

pushing people towards fact sheets to give them more empowerment.

0:30:020:30:08

We'd also hope to see the other users of the website

0:30:080:30:12

would point out the troubling implications of the post.

0:30:120:30:16

If someone asked "How can I stop eating?" you've got the opportunity to address the issues.

0:30:160:30:24

With the explosion of social networking sites

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and the model they present, user-generated content,

0:30:270:30:31

which is a wonderful thing.

0:30:310:30:33

For every negative support group,

0:30:330:30:36

I'm sure you'll find lots doing incredibly good work.

0:30:360:30:40

'Natalia's convinced that the pro-ana websites held her back from seeking help for her anorexia.'

0:30:400:30:46

I lost a couple of years of my life.

0:30:460:30:49

These websites put a halt to me getting professional help.

0:30:490:30:54

These girls from all over the world were posting messages.

0:30:540:30:58

They'd been to a unit, how horrible it was,

0:30:580:31:01

staff were horrible.

0:31:010:31:03

They were giving a horrible picture and I was believing this.

0:31:030:31:07

When I had the option to go into a unit, I was like, "I don't want to."

0:31:070:31:13

'Natalia was finally admitted to the eating disorder unit

0:31:130:31:17

'at Cheadle Royal Hospital.'

0:31:170:31:19

I stayed for six months, which has done me the world of good.

0:31:190:31:23

I did programmes to understand why I needed to get better, self-motivation, self-esteem.

0:31:230:31:29

Right now, I am much happier.

0:31:300:31:32

It's been a year and a few months since I left the unit.

0:31:320:31:36

I feel like a different person. I am normal.

0:31:360:31:40

That's a word that I used to be afraid of.

0:31:400:31:43

Now, it's good to say I am normal.

0:31:430:31:45

I am happy and I just want to carry on with my art

0:31:450:31:49

and my life that I missed out on for so many years.

0:31:490:31:53

'Natalia's taking part in a campaign organised by the hospital

0:31:530:31:57

'against the pro-ana sites.'

0:31:570:31:59

There'll always be an underground of sites that people will find.

0:31:590:32:04

We want people to know that professional help is out there

0:32:040:32:08

and other people to talk to.

0:32:080:32:12

It is illness. It's not, you know, a way of life.

0:32:120:32:16

It can kill you, really.

0:32:160:32:19

I'd always sit in school and think to myself,

0:32:340:32:39

"All I had to do is just cut in the right place

0:32:390:32:43

"or take the right amount of pills and it'll be over.

0:32:430:32:48

"I won't have to go through it any more."

0:32:480:32:51

It's easier to say than to do.

0:32:510:32:54

'Bullying has always been a huge problem for many young people.

0:32:540:32:58

'The internet allows violence and verbal abuse to follow victims home.

0:32:580:33:03

'Sianie is 15 years old.

0:33:030:33:05

'Two years ago, she was a victim of cyberbullying.'

0:33:050:33:08

It all started in year seven or year eight. Only 13.

0:33:080:33:13

A few girls out of my year decided they didn't like me.

0:33:130:33:17

When I started to change from being the same as everyone else

0:33:170:33:22

to dressing differently, listening to different music,

0:33:220:33:26

they had a problem with it.

0:33:260:33:28

I'd been told that a few girls in our year

0:33:280:33:32

had started up a hate page about me.

0:33:320:33:35

I was at my mate's one night and I decided to check out this website.

0:33:350:33:41

The website she'd used was Piczo.

0:33:410:33:44

I opened up the page and it had a picture of me on it.

0:33:440:33:49

It had a phrase under it saying, "This is the slag.

0:33:490:33:54

"If you don't like her tell us how much you hate her"

0:33:540:33:57

under this picture.

0:33:570:33:59

Then it had a box next to it with all these things they'd said,

0:34:000:34:04

"Go kill yourself. No-one would care if you died.

0:34:040:34:08

"Why don't you sort your life out?"

0:34:080:34:10

I'm just sitting there thinking, "What?"

0:34:100:34:15

'Things escalated when strangers who recognised Sianie from the site

0:34:150:34:20

'began shouting abuse at her in the street.'

0:34:200:34:24

At first, she said to me that some kids at school

0:34:240:34:27

were really bullying her, pushing her around, calling her names.

0:34:270:34:32

Sianie showed me the site that had been dedicated to...

0:34:320:34:38

slagging Sianie off, basically.

0:34:380:34:40

Knowing that all these people had seen it, there were 2,000 hits,

0:34:400:34:45

it was just like someone breaking in and having a go at her.

0:34:450:34:50

The one place she should feel safe is at home.

0:34:500:34:53

And...I was just devastated.

0:34:530:34:57

'Sianie also confided in close friend Becks.'

0:34:570:35:01

When Sianie showed me the website

0:35:010:35:03

at my house, I was really surprised.

0:35:030:35:06

Some of the words were really harsh and none of it was true.

0:35:060:35:10

She felt really depressed and upset about everything.

0:35:100:35:14

I think it's easier to say it online.

0:35:140:35:18

If they write on the page, "You're a bitch"

0:35:180:35:21

and then say to me, "You're a bitch" and I start crying,

0:35:210:35:26

they'll feel worse for saying it to my face than online.

0:35:260:35:30

'Sianie's not alone.

0:35:300:35:32

'In a study of 1,000 young people, four out of ten claim to have been targeted by online bullies.

0:35:320:35:39

'A fifth of children said they had posted offensive comments about others.

0:35:390:35:44

'Chris Seth is the European managing director of Piczo.

0:35:440:35:48

'What line does Piczo take on cyberbullying?'

0:35:480:35:52

When Piczo's alerted to a case we investigate by looking at the site.

0:35:520:35:58

We are able to block the individual responsible for bullying

0:35:580:36:03

and stop them using the service.

0:36:030:36:06

We do try to make it very easy for our members to get in touch.

0:36:060:36:10

There's a "report abuse" button on every page,

0:36:100:36:14

a "safety at Piczo" area of the site

0:36:140:36:17

where we emphasise the best practice.

0:36:170:36:21

The best thing for Sianie would have been to have contacted Piczo.

0:36:210:36:25

We commit to responding to a "report abuse" e-mail within 24 hours.

0:36:250:36:30

'Sianie wasn't aware she could report the bullying to Piczo so how did they handle the cyberbullying?'

0:36:300:36:38

My first thought was the school.

0:36:380:36:40

I wanted the school to be aware and to clamp down on things like this.

0:36:400:36:45

When I told the staff they said it wasn't their problem.

0:36:450:36:49

It was an outside school situation.

0:36:490:36:52

'We contacted Sianie's school and received this reply.'

0:36:520:36:56

'Some schools, like Sacred Heart High School, west London,

0:37:060:37:10

'are more proactive in dealing with cyberbullying.'

0:37:100:37:15

We take bullying, at school or at home, extremely seriously.

0:37:150:37:19

We would investigate and we have the software

0:37:190:37:22

to provide us with the hard evidence when we investigate.

0:37:220:37:26

'Amede Wilson is the director of ICT.'

0:37:260:37:29

We have a view of every PC in the school.

0:37:290:37:33

I could bring up a student's screen and see what that student's doing.

0:37:330:37:38

They're not aware of this.

0:37:380:37:40

This is real-time monitoring.

0:37:400:37:44

Then we have the other software, which does the screen captures.

0:37:440:37:50

'It contains potentially inappropriate words

0:37:500:37:54

'and alerts Amede to when they're being used.'

0:37:540:37:58

Here you see "bully".

0:37:580:38:00

From experience, we know that would be an assignment for English.

0:38:000:38:06

But we'd investigate it, just to make sure.

0:38:060:38:09

We have the user, which machine they were on, the time

0:38:090:38:13

and the IP address.

0:38:130:38:16

We have all the evidence. No further action is needed so we ignore it.

0:38:160:38:22

We have this software. It's no good if we don't have the knowledge.

0:38:220:38:27

The scope for cyberbullying is wide.

0:38:270:38:30

As we're speaking now, a new social networking site is being developed.

0:38:300:38:36

We need to always have that knowledge of what's new.

0:38:360:38:40

'So, what happened to Sianie?'

0:38:400:38:42

I did a lot of self-harming at the time,

0:38:420:38:45

which I live to regret.

0:38:450:38:48

After a few months,

0:38:480:38:50

I kept reading the same comments that I should kill myself,

0:38:500:38:54

that no-one would care, I wouldn't be missed or anything.

0:38:540:38:58

After a while, as I lost a lot of friends,

0:38:580:39:02

I thought if I do kill myself there won't be a problem, this will stop.

0:39:020:39:07

But I'm so glad I didn't!

0:39:070:39:09

I'm so glad I didn't.

0:39:090:39:12

At the school, there were warnings given out to the main ringleaders.

0:39:120:39:18

I think that really changed things.

0:39:180:39:21

Now the cyberbullying's stopped I'm more at ease with the computer.

0:39:210:39:25

The social networks are much more aware of it.

0:39:250:39:29

They're very, "If something's said, press this."

0:39:290:39:33

And it closes the site down.

0:39:330:39:35

The thing I could tell anyone being cyberbullied is to tell someone.

0:39:350:39:40

As hard as it is at first, as scary it is,

0:39:400:39:44

it's better in the long run.

0:39:440:39:47

If I hadn't told anyone I know I wouldn't be here now.

0:39:470:39:51

Anyone that says I'm a puppet for Tony Blair...

0:39:550:39:58

'It used to be quite an effort to get your thoughts heard

0:39:580:40:02

'about important issues of the day.

0:40:020:40:06

'The internet age has changed that,

0:40:060:40:08

'offering swift communication routes for getting your message out there.

0:40:080:40:13

'In spring 2003, hundreds of young people came to Parliament Square

0:40:130:40:18

'to protest against the war in Iraq.

0:40:180:40:21

'The campaign was organised by Kiera Box and two friends.

0:40:210:40:25

'They started in a traditional way.'

0:40:250:40:28

This is the banner we made.

0:40:280:40:31

We got hold of a couple of hundred quid of paint,

0:40:310:40:34

this incredibly long bit of material and about 20 mates.

0:40:340:40:39

We commandeered our school hall, hid behind the curtains and painted it over a week.

0:40:390:40:45

We called the campaign Hands Up For Peace.

0:40:450:40:48

We got people to send their hand print to represent each young person

0:40:480:40:54

who wanted to subscribe to the phrase Hands Up For Peace.

0:40:540:40:58

'The problem was how to mobilise people to be part of the message.'

0:40:580:41:03

We couldn't get people across the world to show support with something

0:41:030:41:08

we found it hard to move down the road.

0:41:080:41:11

Our 30-metre banner couldn't move geographically!

0:41:110:41:15

'The solution was a website.'

0:41:150:41:17

It was a very low-maintenance, easy thing to send our message out on.

0:41:170:41:23

We didn't go for trying to over-shoot,

0:41:230:41:26

trying to make something which was really exciting in loads of ways.

0:41:260:41:31

We just got our argument out there, which led us to use online networks.

0:41:310:41:36

Not in the same way as Facebook or MySpace now,

0:41:360:41:40

sending e-mail forwards through networks like Woodcraft or UK Youth Parliament.

0:41:400:41:46

We got a lot of people coming from the site who had seen the e-mail.

0:41:460:41:51

They would send it on and they would become part of Hands Up For Peace.

0:41:510:41:56

We had links to websites with guides to campaigning and protesting.

0:41:560:42:02

It got to the point where the website had a forum on it.

0:42:020:42:07

'There was even a downloadable hand print.'

0:42:070:42:10

When we started promoting it,

0:42:100:42:13

we ended up getting 2,000 hands by the time war broke out,

0:42:130:42:17

which was in the middle of March.

0:42:170:42:19

These are some of the hands that we got.

0:42:190:42:23

We had boxes from Saudi Arabia.

0:42:230:42:26

We had e-mails with internet hands

0:42:260:42:29

which were made in Japan and Portugal and Australia,

0:42:290:42:34

a lot of groups from all over Europe who we got messages of support from.

0:42:340:42:39

Here we have "No more violence any more.

0:42:390:42:43

"I wish there wasn't any violence in Iraq or on my street."

0:42:430:42:48

It's from a ten-year-old.

0:42:480:42:50

'The hands were planted in Parliament Square

0:42:500:42:54

'and became a focal part when the protest moved to the street.'

0:42:540:42:59

While virtual campaigning is great, you have to take it into the world,

0:42:590:43:04

otherwise you're not achieving anything, you're floating ideas.

0:43:040:43:09

It was called, by the Guardian, one of the foremost youth anti-war movements.

0:43:090:43:14

We were covered in the Evening Standard, on the internet, the BBC.

0:43:140:43:20

..even if we can't make a difference to what Tony Blair does.

0:43:200:43:25

I think that the internet gave Hands Up For Peace international appeal,

0:43:250:43:30

and it gave us a national profile as well.

0:43:300:43:34

'The internet now offers even more possibilities for campaigners.

0:43:340:43:39

'July 2008, following the fatal stabbing of Ben Kinsella,

0:43:390:43:43

'hundreds of teenagers take to the streets.

0:43:430:43:47

'The march is organised through Facebook, by one of Ben's friends.

0:43:470:43:52

'Two months later, another protest against knife and gun crime, again organised via Facebook.'

0:43:520:43:59

There are lots of tools for starting a campaign.

0:43:590:44:02

You can use social networking sites, YouTube,

0:44:020:44:06

you could make your own video and get lots of people to watch that.

0:44:060:44:12

You can set up petitions on line, a blog around certain issues.

0:44:120:44:17

You can go to other peoples' blogs and respond to what they're doing.

0:44:170:44:21

You can e-mail your MP, get together an e-mail campaign.

0:44:210:44:26

There's the e-petitions website or the Number10 website,

0:44:260:44:30

where you start your own petition.

0:44:300:44:33

Invite your friends to sign it and try and get something moving around something you're concerned about.

0:44:330:44:40

If you want your campaign to be noticed amongst the other campaigns

0:44:400:44:45

target your campaign carefully, be clear about what you want to achieve

0:44:450:44:50

and make sure you're not just using the internet,

0:44:500:44:54

get your local newspapers, local TV stations involved.

0:44:540:44:58

Use all the avenues that are available.

0:44:580:45:01

-'And Kiera's advice?'

-Start small.

0:45:010:45:05

Start as active as you can with as many ideas as you can

0:45:050:45:09

then follow through on them because that's how you'll get people

0:45:090:45:13

who are following what you do and being inspired.

0:45:130:45:17

It's because they see you, via the internet, doing amazing things.

0:45:170:45:23

On a school trip to the Tate Modern I was walking around for an hour.

0:45:280:45:33

This man had been following me then he approached me and said,

0:45:330:45:37

"Hi. You're Ellie. I'm Ian, Olivia's friend."

0:45:370:45:40

I had no idea who he was and how he knew my name.

0:45:400:45:44

He starting touching my back and looking into my eyes.

0:45:440:45:49

I had no idea who this man was.

0:45:490:45:51

'Ellie is 16.

0:45:510:45:53

'Two years ago she was tracked down by a man 40 years older than her

0:45:530:45:58

'who'd found her by infiltrating social networking sites.'

0:45:580:46:03

When I was 13 I first got MySpace

0:46:030:46:05

and I started using it to talk to my friends and family,

0:46:050:46:10

people like that, contacting them.

0:46:100:46:13

'The man who approached Ellie first contacted Olivia, one of Ellie's close Friends.'

0:46:130:46:19

I first spoke to this man when he added me on MySpace.

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On his profile, his friends were people I knew.

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I assumed that he was a mutual friend.

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He'd leave me general compliments on what I looked like,

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but open ones, nothing sexual or anything.

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Here he said...

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I was a bit scared, so I'd say,

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"Please can you not do that" or "How did you know about that?"

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He'd always have an explanation.

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I realised he was looking at my friends' pages to get information

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when he asked if I had a good day in town.

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I was like, "How did you know I was in town?"

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He was like, "I saw your friend's page that you were going to town."

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I had to be careful because it was what my friends were writing, too.

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'The man called himself Popcorn Puppy.

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'Although he communicated with Olivia's friends, he never contacted Ellie.'

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I'd never talked to Popcorn Puppy.

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He just saw who I was through Olivia's pictures

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and went on to my account through Olivia's account.

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I had no idea who he was apart from what Olivia told me.

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She said that there was this strange man talking to her

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and he was a bit odd.

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'Then came the trip to Tate Modern,

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'when Ellie became aware that she was being followed by an older man who finally addressed her by name.'

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He talked about MySpace,

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how he had seen pictures of me and he knows me through that.

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I was thinking maybe he was a family friend or an uncle,

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that Olivia might have shown her MySpace to.

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'He kept following Ellie, who suddenly put two and two together.'

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I realised he was Popcorn Puppy, who Olivia said was talking to her.

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I went up with my friend to him and said,

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"Are you Popcorn Puppy?"

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He said "Yeah" and laughed.

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I was in my English class while the other girls were there

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and received a text saying, "Popcorn Puppy's in Tate Modern."

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I was shocked. How would he know about it?

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He came in closer to me and started trying to touch my back,

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look into my eyes and be a bit more intimate.

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At that point, I was a bit, "What's this man doing to me?"

0:48:470:48:52

'Ellie had her wits about her.'

0:48:520:48:53

I said, "Can I take a picture of you?"

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He was like "Yeah" and posed for it.

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'Olivia was thinking quickly, too.'

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I saved all the messages he'd sent me then gave them to the police.

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'Ellie told her mum, Jane.'

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I looked at her account to see what information she'd put on it.

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She had put a relatively small amount of information.

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Even having the name of her school

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meant it was possible for someone to wait at the gates for her.

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They knew what she looked like because of the photographs.

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After I got home it hit me how weird and scary it was,

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how he could come and meet me at any time.

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He could do it again.

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'Ironically, The police were able to track him down by the personal details HE'd put on HIS profile!'

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The flat was full of pornography.

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A lot of it was child pornography, 20,000 images.

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He had level five pornography, apparently the most disturbing.

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He was sentenced to 18 months for pornography

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and six for the assault on Ellie.

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'But how many cases like Ellie's are there every year?

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'CEOP is the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre.'

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We receive, on average, around 500 reports a month of this nature.

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Four a day are so serious we act upon them straight away.

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The reports we receive range from

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young people being uncomfortable having talked to someone online

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to young people who've been groomed,

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who've met someone who they had contact with online

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and ultimately been abused.

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'CEOP has a prominent "report abuse" button on its website.'

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If someone clicks on the icon they come through to a specialist police officer.

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If it's a child the police officer or social worker will contact them.

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It will be processed either through a local law enforcement agency,

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an international law enforcement agency

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or our intelligence and operations faculties.

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Social networking sites are fantastic places for young people.

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However, social networking sites have a real responsibility

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to make those areas safe.

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Safety information is often hidden.

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It can be difficult to report. They're not doing enough.

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'Ellie and Oliva have been taking part in television programmes

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'to spread the word about online safety.'

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I thought it was a bit weird that this man started talking to me.

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'In light of their experience,

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'what do Ellie and Olivia do differently online?'

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I still use social networking but I'm just a lot more careful.

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All my profiles are set to private

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on all my accounts on Bebo, MySpace and Facebook.

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I don't accept people I don't know.

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If anyone tries to talk to me, I don't talk back.

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I don't put up anything on my web page that would give any clues

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as to what I'm doing, where I live or where I go to school.

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I like the kind of games where you can really see the gore.

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I like Mario Kart and Cooking Mama.

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I'm mainly a retro gamer.

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Horror games like Resident Evil and Silent Hill.

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My favourite modern game is Jet Set Radio.

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'These young people are dedicated game players,

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'happy to put the hours in.'

0:52:420:52:45

I can play the whole day.

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Two hours and a half. Not that long.

0:52:470:52:50

An hour to two or three hours.

0:52:500:52:52

A good five hours just slaving away at a game.

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'Concern about the effects of video games on young people

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'is behind the gaming industry's age rating system.

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'It's one of the first things considered when a game's developed.

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'At Electronic Arts in Guildford hundreds of developers

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'work on games like Harry Potter and Burnout.'

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When we're making games, we always have in mind an audience,

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a certain age group,

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male or female, and we have to think about what the age rating will be.

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For example, we make Harry Potter, the target age group is 12+.

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If we built content that wasn't appropriate we'd get a 16+

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and wouldn't reach consumers with that product.

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'The developers are guided by the Pan-European Gaming Information

0:53:430:53:48

'or PEGI rating system.'

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The ratings are based on a number of factors - sexual content, violent content, drugs, gambling.

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The PEGI age ratings available to us start at 3+.

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The next age rating is 7+ and in that you may have friendly combat,

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a little bit of shoving,

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but never rewarded, never, "Well done, you knocked down your friend."

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For 12+, you could have a little human battling,

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no lasting harm to an individual.

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A 16+ game, there may be sustained injury.

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The player may have to heal themselves but it wouldn't be a particularly intense experience.

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The upper age rating, 18+,

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would find more violent content, traditional with film content.

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There might be blood, some lasting damage and the like.

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'Developing the Harry Potter game, age ratings have been key.'

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We wanted a 12+ certificate. We have a lot of spell-casting.

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In this one, we're casting magic against kids and had to make sure they weren't permanently injured.

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They have to get up after a fight and give a little bow.

0:54:550:54:59

'Whereas Harry Potter pits human against human, another EA game,

0:54:590:55:03

'Burnout, sees cars challenge each other.'

0:55:030:55:07

Cars smash into each other and will destruct dramatically.

0:55:070:55:12

There are no humans, just cars bashing together.

0:55:120:55:16

The game has a destructive feel, but it's never harmful.

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We have an upgrade patch available on line, which introduces motorbikes with motorbike riders.

0:55:200:55:26

At the point of impact, those riders are removed invisibly and the bikes are allowed to destroy.

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As long as humans aren't hurt,

0:55:330:55:36

we're not encouraging players to hurt humans,

0:55:360:55:39

we can keep a lower age rating.

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'In Britain, if a game reaches a PEGI 18+ rating,

0:55:410:55:46

'or contains video elements like film clips or trailers,

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'it is referred to the British Board of Film Classification the BBFC.'

0:55:500:55:55

Since 1912, we've been classifying films for cinema,

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giving them age ratings to say who they are most appropriate for.

0:55:590:56:04

Since 1984, we've been doing that for videos and video games.

0:56:040:56:08

This is Civilization Revolution, the kind of violence here

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is very mild, there's no detail of injuries, blood or anything.

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We would lean towards Parental Guidance.

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'Much time and attention is devoted to getting the age ratings right.

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'But what is the research evidence

0:56:260:56:29

'for a link between violent games and violent behaviour?'

0:56:290:56:34

It is extremely difficult to prove with the research done up to now.

0:56:340:56:39

It may be that it'll never be shown,

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but there is a balance of research on both sides to weigh up.

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If you show that people who play violent video games as children are violent as adults

0:56:460:56:52

nothing says they weren't violent and that's why they were attracted to violent games.

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'It's not surprising that parents are uncertain about the relevance of age ratings.'

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The classification of the games, I admit, I don't pay attention to.

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There's a great range what children can cope with, how mature they are,

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how well they define the difference between fantasy and reality.

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I raise my children that just cos you see doesn't mean you do it.

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The main thing is to know what you let your children see.

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Many parents don't play games and don't have any interest in them.

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It's unfortunate that they're not aware of what's in the stuff their children are seeing.

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'Despite all the measures to protect young people from exposure to inappropriate material,

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'the young people have their own ideas.'

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I don't take much notice of that type of stuff.

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And I'm sure any other kid would say the exact same thing.

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Kids of eight playing a game that's really violent shouldn't be allowed.

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That'll kind of affect them, really.

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I don't think it should affect people above ten.

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By that stage, you don't go off killing people unless you are crazy.

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If it's too much swearing, I won't play. I won't do that type of thing.

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It's all really rubbish because video games don't mean anything.

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The kids buy them anyway. It's just society's way of annoying kids.

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