Pennod 4 Margaret: Ddoe a Heddiw

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-Hello and good evening to you all.

-Tonight, I'm joined by one

-of our most famous actors...

-..and a very talented trumpeter.

-First, I want to extend

-a very warm welcome...

-..to a singer who was dubbed

-The Queen of Welsh Country Music.

-It's Doreen Lewis.

-Hello, Doreen -

-The Queen of Welsh Country Music.

-When did you start

-singing country music?

-I've always been interested

-in singing since I was very young.

-My interest in composing

-started at the age of 14 or 15...

-..when my father gave me a guitar

-for my birthday...

-..and I couldn't put it down.

-I picked it up quite quickly and

-taught myself to play three chords.

-They were E, A and B7.

-They were E, A and B7.

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-You've got to have B7!

-I was singing in a concert a few

-weeks after receiving the guitar...

-..and the composing followed.

-I only wrote about things

-which were familiar to me.

-I'm a country girl who is familiar

-with rural everyday life...

-..so I sang country music

-and was pigeonholed in this genre.

-You sang various styles

-in the early days.

-Yes, I entered competitions

-and eisteddfodau...

-..and we always sang

-in school and Sunday School.

-Country music tells a story.

-Yes, and the lyrics are important

-to the story.

-I'd write the lyrics

-and melody at the same time.

-I'd start with a verse and chorus

-and the other verses followed.

-Do you have a favourite song?

-I like Nans o'r Glyn

-and Cae'r Blode Menyn.

-Cae'r Blode Menyn is about an old

-train that used to pass our house.

-It ran for years

-until Mr Beeching put an end to it.

-It's a shame it stopped.

-Do you still sing today?

-Do you still sing today?

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-I don't sing as often as I did.

-It's time I'd had some "me time".

-You can have

-a bit of "me time" now.

-Let's have a reminder of

-The Queen of Welsh Country Music.

-# "Don't destroy my home,"

-said the small calf and the cow

-# "And don't destroy my home,"

-said the breeze

-# "Don't destroy my home,"

-said the young family

-# "And don't destroy my home,"

-said the God from the heavens

-# If you don't have a home

-# You don't have a place to exist

-# You don't have a place

-where you can grow

-# From which to come and go

-# If you don't have a home

-or a place to rest your head

-# Nothing will come of you

-and it will all come to an end #

-Oh, that was a wonderful song.

-I'd forgotten all about it

-until you played that clip!

-I've still got that outfit

-and the earrings too.

-I've kept everything

-including that suit and shoes.

-I don't remember

-you having dark hair, Doreen.

-No, I don't remember it either.

-Goodness me.

-Where has the time gone?

-It was wonderful

-to hear that song again.

-What's been the highlight

-of your singing career?

-Does anything stand out?

-I thoroughly enjoyed the touring

-and going to various places.

-I went abroad a few times.

-Kuwait was quite an experience...

-..and I also sang in Nigeria.

-Was it a Welsh audience?

-Yes, and I sang for

-the London-Welsh a few times too.

-There have been a lot

-of memorable moments.

-I sang in a lot of concerts

-and it was a very busy time.

-Today, you're known as

-the mother of Caryl Lewis.

-Yes, that's right.

-I hadn't read her highly acclaimed

-novel called Martha, Jac a Sianco...

-..so I read it on holiday

-before the television dramatisation.

-I enjoyed it so much.

-I couldn't put it down.

-Geraint couldn't understand

-why I was laughing so much.

-Her descriptions are excellent.

-The harvest scene

-took me back to my childhood.

-Did she inherit

-this talent from you?

-I always composed my songs

-quite late in the night...

-..and I'd wake the children

-so they could listen to my new song.

-They thought I was mad

-but that's how it was.

-They were raised

-around this creativity.

-She witnessed this storytelling.

-She witnessed this storytelling.

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-Yes, she did.

-She saw the joy that comes

-from writing something yourself.

-It can be good or bad

-but it's your own work.

-She was raised in this atmosphere.

-Caryl is a mother too.

-Yes, we have Joseff Hedd

-and Gwenno Mair.

-How old are they?

-Hedd is three

-and Gwenno is 18 months old.

-They're quite a handful

-to look after!

-Have they taken over your life,

-Doreen?

-It's wonderful to have them.

-Hedd and Gwenno remind me of my time

-as a mother with Gwyndaf and Caryl.

-Gwenno has auburn hair,

-like her mother...

-..and Hedd is blonde

-and Gwyndaf was blonde as a boy.

-I feel like a mother again but I can

-give them back when I get tired!

-That's the great thing about it.

-That's great.

-It's been wonderful

-to chat with you, Doreen.

-We haven't seen each other since...

-We haven't seen each other since...

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-It's been years and years!

-Thank you for your company.

-Thank you for your company.

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-It's fine.

-It's been lovely to see you again

-and reminisce.

-We leave a performer who's been

-in the business for years...

-..to meet the young, talented

-trumpeter, Matthew Williams.

-The trumpet isn't as popular

-as the piano or the violin...

-..but did you choose the trumpet?

-Yes, it was my decision to play it.

-However, my brother was first

-to have lessons at school.

-I followed suit and had lessons too.

-Every Friday night,

-I had lessons behind the pharmacy...

-..with Idris Rees in Pontyates.

-I played long notes for 30 minutes.

-He had a table to record

-the length of each note in seconds.

-Did he prepare you for competitions?

-I had lessons with him

-for a year...

-..before taking private lessons with

-my peripatetic teacher from school.

-Did you play in a brass band?

-Yes, my teacher was the conductor

-of the Llanelli Brass Band...

-..and I rehearsed with them

-for two hours on a Sunday night.

-We competed and I did solos too.

-We went everywhere

-such as Preston, Swansea...

-..Neath, Burry Port and Ammanford.

-What's your ambition in life,

-Matthew?

-I'd like to play

-in a professional orchestra.

-Which orchestra?

-I've got two trials for the

-BBC Philharmonic in Manchester...

-..a trial for principal trumpet

-in Bournemouth...

-..and for principal trumpet with the

-Royal Scottish National Orchestra.

-It proves you're a talented musician

-and I can't wait to hear you.

-What are you performing for us?

-It's Virtuosity by Kenny Baker

-and includes a bit of jazz.

-Let's hear Matthew Williams.

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-I hope you enjoyed listening

-to the talented Matthew Williams.

-I'm now joined by the famous actor

-I mentioned earlier.

-Welcome to DH or Dafydd Hywel,

-to give him his full name.

-My full name

-is actually David Hywel Evans.

-Rhydderch Jones

-changed it to Dafydd Hywel.

-Well done, Rhydderch.

-Dafydd Hywel suits you!

-Have you been acting

-since you were a child?

-No, I think I was like

-a lot of people.

-At Christmas, I never played Joseph

-but was always a Wise Man!

-It was quite hit-and-miss.

-I went to Swansea College or the

-Brothel on the Hill as it was known.

-I already had a teaching post

-at a school in Pontypridd...

-..but I failed my exams.

-However, I performed in three plays

-whilst at college.

-One of them was a fluke.

-We'd gone to Barry

-to see Y Crochan.

-It starred Myfi Talog

-and the director, Gwyn Hughes Jones.

-On the way home, Peter Fay from

-Brynamman asked me to take his part.

-I'd had a few sherbets

-by this time and agreed to it.

-The scriptwriter was Emyr Jones,

-the father of Dafydd Emyr.

-Emyr Jones was excellent.

-Emyr finished

-and was replaced by Vic John...

-..who suggested

-I follow a training scheme.

-As it happens,

-I failed that exam too.

-To this day, I can't remember

-what I said or read...

-..but I fell into it.

-It wasn't until Dad was on his

-deathbed that he knew what I did.

-I told him I was paid 10

-for a day's television work!

-"Do whatever you want," he said.

-You're a rugby fan,

-so were you raised with the game?

-Yes, at Amman United RFC.

-That club has nurtured many Wales

-and Lions players...

-..such as Shane Williams,

-Trevor Evans and Claude Davey.

-I live in Capel Hendre and watch

-Amman United play on Saturdays.

-One rugby personality

-was a huge fan of yours.

-I'd like you to watch this clip.

-Is there still

-one specific ambition...

-..that you'd like to fulfil?

-Yes, Margaret.

-I'd love to star

-in a blockbuster film...

-..with Robert De Niro on one side

-and Dafydd Hywel on the other!

-I would absolutely love that.

-I've always played

-second fiddle to Robert De Niro!

-Ray was very fond of you.

-Ray was very fond of you.

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-Yes, we knew each other for years.

-He was a very dear friend.

-I still expect him

-to walk around the corner.

-You heard him before you saw him!

-We enjoyed quiet nights

-at his home...

-..or he would visit me in Caerphilly

-when the children were young.

-I have fond memories of Ray.

-You didn't act alongside Ray, but

-have appeared with legendary actors.

-I did Peak Practice,

-Dangerfield and Out of Love.

-I enjoyed Peak Practice.

-Gary Mavers from Liverpool

-was a great co-star.

-He was completely different

-from Nigel Havers in Dangerfield.

-Did you like him?

-Did you like him?

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-No, I hated the swine!

-He's currently appearing

-in Coronation Street.

-I stopped watching it

-because of him!

-You're turning into Alf Garnant!

-Years ago,

-the BBC was a hive of activity.

-It was fantastic

-and had real characters.

-Dewi Pws christened me Alf Garnant.

-I had to get involved

-in every argument at the club.

-He had a blackboard that said...

-.."Preaching tonight - DH Evans.

-Topic - anything under the sun!"

-That's where Alf Garnant came from.

-You've mentioned all these things...

-..but you joined me in the 1980s

-and sang this song.

-# I travelled the world

-from sea to sea

-# In the foolish days of my youth

-# The grass will grow

-to cover my tracks

-# Before I return to Wales

-# Before I return to Wales,

-my friends

-# Before I return to Wales

-# Oh, the grass will grow

-to cover my tracks

-# Before I return to Wales #

-Oh, I liked that and

-you were singing from the heart.

-You're the only person

-to ask me to sing on television.

-I did sing on Melltith Ar Y Nyth

-with Dewi Pws and Robin Griffiths...

-..but that's the only time.

-That song was from a production

-by Wilbert Lloyd Roberts...

-..when the theatre company

-was starting out.

-It's quite a famous folk song.

-We have to mention Pobol Y Cwm.

-Were you in it

-from the very beginning?

-No, I started two years

-into the series.

-I'd already done Bilidowcar...

-..when John Hefin invited me

-to play Jac Daniels in Pobol Y Cwm.

-I only drank Jack Daniels because

-Grav told me about the bourbon.

-I played him as a man

-from Pembrokeshire.

-I was in it for three years but

-I'll never forget when I started.

-In those days,

-it was broadcast once a week...

-..so we had plenty of time

-to rehearse.

-You had a whole week

-to make one episode.

-Yes, to film and rehearse.

-I'd started in Pobol Y Cwm with

-Charles Williams, a Welsh icon.

-We were in the pub in Cwmderi

-and they started singing Hogia Ni.

-I wasn't sure

-if I should say something or not.

-I said that it wouldn't be sung in

-Cwmamman and the Gwendraeth Valley.

-People wouldn't understand it.

-Is that right?

-Is that right?

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-They wouldn't have a clue!

-I remember Charles

-was a bit annoyed.

-He was always angry with me.

-Charles and I never saw eye-to-eye.

-Fair do's to John Hefin because

-he came down and said I was right...

-..and they didn't sing Hogia Ni.

-I argue with Catrin, my daughter,

-about one thing.

-Why do they ask

-for "sudd oren" in Y Deri?

-Nobody would know what you meant if

-you wanted "sudd oren" in Glanamman.

-They don't hate the language,

-but simply call it orange juice!

-I thought everyone

-would sing Hogia Ni.

-We used to sing Swing Low, Sweet

-Chariot just like the English...

-..but don't any more because the

-English sing it at rugby matches!

-It's been a pleasure to see you

-and I could chat to you all night.

-Dafydd Hywel, thank you so much

-for joining me tonight.

-Please don't ask me to sing!

-Please don't ask me to sing!

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-Don't worry, I've got a clip of us.

-I'm doing my best

-to sing a rock song with you.

-I'm awful but let's take a look.

-I hope you all forgive me.

-My thanks to Dafydd Hywel,

-Doreen, Matthew and you at home.

-I hope you can join me again

-next week.

-We close with a clip of

-the pair of us attempting to sing!

-Goodnight.

-# Lleucu has died

-but the flowers are still in bloom

-# We don't hear the cry of the gulls

-or the song of the wren

-# The love has faltered

-and the leaves have changed colour

-# Lleucu has died

-but the flowers are still in bloom

-# It was only a lifetime

-# She only had a moment

-# The autumn came calling

-# She melted into winter and left me

-# Lleucu has died

-but the flowers are still in bloom

-# We don't hear the cry of the gulls

-or the song of the wren

-# The love has faltered

-and the leaves have changed colour

-# Lleucu has died

-but the flowers are still in bloom

-# Lleucu has died

-but the flowers are still in bloom

-# We don't hear the cry of the gulls

-or the song of the wren

-# The love has faltered

-and the leaves have changed colour

-# Lleucu has died

-but the flowers still live on

-# Lleucu has died

-but the flowers are still in bloom

-# We don't hear the cry of the gulls

-or the song of the wren

-# The love has faltered

-and the leaves have changed colour

-# Lleucu has died

-but the flowers are still in bloom #

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