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The head of the FBI says he is investigating links

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and possible collusion between Donald Trump's campaign team

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During an extraordinary hearing in Congress,

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James Comey revealed that the ongoing investigation

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The FBI, as part of our counter-intelligence mission,

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is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere

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And that includes investigating the nature of any links

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between individuals associated with the Trump campaign

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Mr Comey said he had seen nothing to suggest the former

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President Barack Obama had ordered a wiretap on Trump Tower.

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With respect to the President's tweets about alleged wire tapping

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directed at him by the prior administration, I have no

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information that supports those tweets and we have looked

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At the same hearing, the head of the National Security Agency said

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they had not asked Britain's GCHQ intelligence agency to spy

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on Mr Trump, another claim that had been highlighted by

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The President's Press Secretary says that Donald Trump will not

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withdraw his wiretapping claims and is confident the FBI

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investigation into Russian links will find nothing.

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an investigation it must mean it's an investigation it must mean it's

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about something. The British Prime Minister says

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she will formally notify Brussels that Britain is leaving

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the European Union on 29th March. Hello, I'm Katty Kay in Washington,

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Christian Fraser is in London. FBI director James Comey has

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confirmed for the first time the FBI is investigating alleged Russian

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interference in the 2016 election. They are also investigating

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whether there was any collusion between the Trump campaign

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and the Russian government. The FBI said it had no information

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to support President Trump's claims that Barack Obama wiretapped phones

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in Trump Tower during Nor is there any evidence he said

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that British intelligence GCHQ The head of the FBI

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was blunt in his assessment. Mr Trump claimed the Democrats had

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pushed this story to cover up But the FBI confirmed today that it

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had been independently investigating Russian inteference since July,

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four months before the election. Let's listen to a few

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of the exchanges. I have been authorised

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by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part

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of our counter-intelligence mission, is investigating the Russian

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government's efforts to interfere And that includes investigating

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the nature of any links between individuals associated

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with the Trump campaign and the Russian government

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and whether there was any coordination between the campaign

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and Russia's efforts. As with any counter-intelligence

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investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any

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crimes were committed. With respect to the President's

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tweets about alleged wire tapping directed at him by the prior

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administration, I have no information that supports those

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tweets and we have looked The Department of Justice

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has asked me to share with you that the answer is the same

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for the Department of Justice The Department has no information

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that supports those tweets. The President accused Mr Obama,

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and presumably the FBI, As you understand the term

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McCarthyism, do you think President Obama or the FBI

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was engaged in such conduct? I'm not going to try

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and characterise the tweets themselves, all I can

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tell you is we have no Were you engaged in

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McCarthyism, Mr Comey? I try very hard not to engage

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in any 'isms' of any kind, Did you request your counterparts in

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GCHQ should wiretap Mr Trump on behalf of Obama? No, that would be

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against the construct of the Five Eyes Agreement that has been in

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place for decades. The Five Eyes Agreement are some of our closest

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intelligence partners and Britain is one of them. Yes, sir. Does do

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damage to our relationship with one of our closest intelligence partners

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to make a baseless claim that the British participated in a conspiracy

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against him? It clearly frustrates icky -- key ally of hours.

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The White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer has just been speaking

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and he is refusing to back off Mr Trump's wiretap claims.

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He said there is no information to support the allegations

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that the President made against President Obama.

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So is the President prepared to withdraw that accusation

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No, we started a hearing, it's still ongoing and then,

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as Chairman Nunes mentioned, this is one in a series of hearings

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Sean Spicer said he was confident new evidence of collusion would be

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found. Despite the narrative that gets

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played over and over again with respect to what the investigation

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might mean in terms of collusion, every person, Republican and

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Democrat that has been briefed on it has come to the same conclusion that

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there is no collusion and that that's over.

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Our North America Editor Jon Sopel is here.

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It is still going on. Have we learned during the course of this

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long hearing exactly what the FBI is investigating and what it has so far

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found? Just before that, this is a pinch yourself moment. We are

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hearing the FBI is investigating whether there was collusion between

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the Kremlin and Donald Trump's campaign. The fact the investigation

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is taking place, I know we have heard the drip, drip, drip that is

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worth marking out in itself. The hour looking at the extent to which

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Russian cyber hackers intervened in the election. Was there collusion

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with individuals from the Trump campaign as part of that? How far

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did that go? We know that the investigation has been going on

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since months before the election. That it's taking place at all is

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remarkable, what else unfolded in the course of that hearing was even

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more remarkable still. There was a moment and James Comey can't say too

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much because a lot of this is still classified, but he was actually

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asked if the president under investigation just two months into

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his presidency and he said, I can't comment on that. Looking at the

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wider thing today and how the Democrats and the Republicans on the

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committee reacted, it seems the Democrats are going so hard after

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the rush at that, who was connected to the Russian business dealings,

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and then you have this extraordinary thing where the Republicans are just

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focusing on the leaks. How will that play? I think the attention is going

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to be honoured, I am pretty convinced, all the mainstream news

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outlets tonight in America, around the world, will be that an FBI

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investigation and you know when Donald Trump said that Barack Obama

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has been wiretapping my phones, the NSA and the FBI see no evidence, at

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all, to prove any of it, no British involvement. When I was seeing a

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moment ago, what is extraordinary is you have the head of the FBI

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standing in the public before a committee, saying, actually what the

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President is saying is nonsense. That seems to be the effect of what

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we have learnt today. Yes, you are right, Democrats want this to be all

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about the Russians, how big was the influence, did they shape the

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election, what really up to? On the Republican side, you've got a very

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different emphasis. He was at who unveiled this? What you're doing

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about stopping the leaks within the FBI? Which seems a bit like shooting

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the messenger rather than dealing with the message. I am with John

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here. The headlines tonight will be about the Russians, we will not be

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about the leaks. Thanks for coming and John.

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Let's speak now to Michael Mukasey, he's a former federal judge

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who served as US Attorney General under President George W Bush.

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You have said in the past you think it is possible that Donald Trump was

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under surveillance during the course and his campaign was under

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surveillance during the course of surveillance during the course of

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the campaign, having heard the FBI and the NSA's testimony this morning

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you still believe that? What I said was it's possible there was

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surveillance that pick them up. I still think that's possible. It's

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obvious it was incidental to whatever else was going on. If you

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talking about surveillance directed at them, we are certainly know any

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place where we can see that didn't happen. It would have been

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surveillance of other entities in the course of Russian banks, for

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example, might have picked up conversations with the Trump

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campaign. Is that what you're suggesting? Yes, correct. And then

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the question is whether somebody the question is whether somebody

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colluded with the Russians and my own view is that doesn't make a

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whole lot of sense, not from the standpoint of the Trump people, from

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the standpoint of the Russians. Remember what was going on at the

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time, at the time the Russians were hacking into the Democratic National

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committee and one of Hillary Clinton's principal functionaries,

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everybody was saying Hillary Clinton was going to win, so the notion that

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looked like a loser seems to me a looked like a loser seems to me a

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little bit far-fetched. As Mr Cooney said this morning, they did hate

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Hillary Clinton, Vladimir Putin did hate Hillary Clinton. The question

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then becomes what was he trying to achieve by hacking into the Democrat

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National committee? Is -- it's possible what he was trying to do

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was letting her know any not very subtle way that they had access to

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her e-mails, which were mentioned in some of the e-mails that they did

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pick up. So that if in fact they did pick up. So that if in fact they did

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hack into her e-mails, this was a mentor is to hack that Planas and if

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she got elected, she ought to be very careful when it came to dealing

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with the Russians. As a former Attorney General, maybe you could

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just clarify one thing. Shauna Spicer has said today with regards

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to the wiretapping claims, we are only a chapter one and the

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investigation goes on, but as an Attorney General Wendy Riddick, you

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would've had the power to declassified documents, to get the

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bottom of it. The president surely has the power to do that, so why

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only carrying on this whole charade when all these agencies are saying

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there's nothing there are? You will have to talk to them about that. It

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does appear there isn't anything there as far as purposeful

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wiretapping of Mr Trump, but as far as them being picked up

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incidentally, that's a whole different thing. It doesn't seem to

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need to age to a whole lot. On the other hand, the question of leaks is

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an interesting one because the president to mix he left office

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changed the executive order, allowing intelligence to be pushed

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out to far more people than those who had it before. So the

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possibility of leaks is enhanced and the population have attentional

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leakers is increased with the difficulty of detecting leaks,

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correspondingly decreased. The purpose of what Mr Trump is tweeting

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though is to try and in some way suggest something illegal had gone

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on. Surely it is the FBI's job with the thought there was any collusion

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to pick up whatever they can. That's their job, isn't it? Of course it

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is. Was nothing illegal. Correct. So they say. So it appears at this

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time. I don't know of anything to suggest there is anything illegal.

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Very interesting to get your thoughts, thank you for coming on.

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Thanks for having me. You know we are living in unusual

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times when the first day of hearings for America's newest member

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of the Supreme Court gets upstaged by hearings into Russian spying,

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even though that Judge will likely be there long after James Comey

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and Donald Trump have both left Mr Trump's choice for the Supreme

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Court, Judge Neil Gorsuch, is trying to convince

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Democrats on the panel that he is the right man

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for the job. He's from Colorado

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and he's 49 years old. If confirmed, he would become

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the youngest member on the bench, and could influence the court's

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decisions for many years to come. Academically, Judge Gorsuch

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would fit right in with the other He has degrees from Columbia,

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Harvard and Oxford. Donald Trump picked him

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for his conservative outlook and with the stated aim

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of restoring the conservative Just like the late Antonin Scalia,

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Judge Gorsuch believes the law should be applied just as it is,

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without taking into account the legislators' intent

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or the social context. He's also known as a good writer

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and is said to be rather fond We'll see if he drops in any

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Churchill references over Laura Trevelyan is on

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Capitol Hill for us now. We have just heard from Neil

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Gorsuch. One of the things the Democrats were seeing if he was

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independent, he would have criticised the President's statement

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on judgment -- judges. In his on judgment -- judges. In his

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opening comments, what he has talked about is that there has been

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judicial overreach and some of these judges should not be secret

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legislators. That's right, Neil Gorsuch has just been speaking and

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he started off by emphasising his love of family, of his wife, but he

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has very quickly moved to reassure Democrats who are sceptical of him.

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Democrats want to paint him as a friend of the rich and the powerful,

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against the little person. Judge Neil Gorsuch has just said in his

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ten years on the Colorado circuit he has pointed out he has ruled on

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cases involving the disabled, prisoners, undocumented immigrants,

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he says that he treats the rich and the board equally. He is really

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trying to plug the criticism that he knows is coming from the Democrats.

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He also said that 97% of the 2700 cases that he decided when he was in

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Colorado that 97% of those cases were decided unanimously. He is

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trying to present himself as a consensual figure, not as a fire

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breathing conservative, which is breathing conservative, which is

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what the Democrats are trying to say he is. Barring some kind of massive

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bombshell during the course of those hearings, he is going to be the next

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Supreme Court Justice, isn't he? Yes, most certainly. The question

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for Democrats is how hard they try and oppose him. Because although

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technically it's just a simple majority in the Senate to confirm

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him, 51 votes, the Democrats can use the filibuster and try and top down

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his nomination which requires 60 votes in the Senate to overturn the

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filibuster. Remember, Republicans filibuster. Remember, Republicans

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have 52 senators, Democrats have 48. Republicans can have an equally

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nuclear option. The cannibal to blow up the filibuster, so Democrats must

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decide is Neil Gorsuch this charming conservative really the one they

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need to go for? All the happens if he's replacing Antonin Scalia.

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Record goes to being with one swing voter. It is the next justice. There

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are several elderly justices who could retire in the next few years.

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It is the next one that tipped the balance towards a conservative

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court. Do it Democrats hold their fire and really go over the next

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vacancy, or because the fury and that President Obama's

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wasn't given the benefit of the wasn't given the benefit of the

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hearing, decide to blow up the whole thing now? For the moment, we will

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keep our eye on that. Quite a long day. There was one thing that did

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strike me today. He told Congress he had been investigating these Russian

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links since July and then I thought, hang on, in October, on October the

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27th, two weeks before the election, he wrote a letter saying he was

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investigating Hillary Clinton and yet he didn't make any mention of

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the fact that he was investigating these Russian links and possible

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collusion between the Russian Government and the Trump campaign.

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When some people look at James Comey When some people look at James Comey

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and think, should you have told us about that? What are you suggesting,

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at James Comey is not playing fair? It is one of the things... That is

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because he came out and influence because he came out and influence

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the election, jeopardised Hillary Clinton's chances and he should have

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been revealing the fact that the Trump campaign was also under

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investigation for possible links with Russia. This wasn't -- was what

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was being suggested this morning. It's been extraordinary morning here

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in the US. The big picture about the wiretapping, about the allegations

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that might have been some collusion with the Russians, those have not

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been confirmed of course, is the question of credibility. At one

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point in the hearings, James Comey was asked point blank, you are in a

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former prosecutor, if you have a former prosecutor, if you have a

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witness list and lied about one thing, how we going to trust the

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rest of what they say? Can the Americans and the rest of the world

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trust Donald Trump when he has set a that is plainly, maybe FBI says, not

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true? I think that is the big question about all of this. It

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creates a credibility gap at the White House and you sort Shon spies

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are dancing around like some sort of linguistic contortions, I felt sorry

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for him. He is saying desperately there is still something there,

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you've had it from the FBI, the DOJ, Donald Trump was wrong.

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Fair to say, Katty, the Brexit process is full of unknowns -

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but today, one certainty: a date, finally.

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Next Wednesday will be the day the British Prime Minister

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officially notifies the EU that the UK is leaving the union.

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When people voted in the referendum last year, it wasn't just

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about leaving the EU, I think they did vote for change,

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they voted for a change in the way the country works,

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to make sure that it works for everyone not

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And as part of that, we want to build, we have a plan

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for Britain and p,art of that is about building

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I think I owe you an apology because I have maligned due for the last few

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weeks saying that this is never going to get there, it's dragging on

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for ever and ever. A miracle, we finally have the date. Two years

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from the 29th of March Britain will leave the European Union.

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Guaranteed. Yes, she will send the letter on the 29th. He is the UK's

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ambassador to the EU. It comes four days after the all meet in Italy for

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the 60th anniversary for the signing of the Treaty of Rome. You would

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expect this would overshadow it. Will she be the protest at the

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party? She's not going. Brexit will be the elephant in the room. They

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will be celebrating the principles of the European Union and one of the

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biggest members isn't there. If you thought it was difficult to get to

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this point, we're not even at base camp one. The journey to the summit.

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It could end so quickly because we've heard today in the newspapers

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that Jean-Claude Juncker, is saying, if we don't get an agreement on the

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divorce proceedings, whether or not we get the alimony, the money for

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Britain to lead at the talking between 20 and 60 billion euros,

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then there is no discussion. We are quite prepared for Britain to walk

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away from the table. There is some fairly sizeable things to overcome,

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even before the negotiating gets under on we start talking about

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future relationships. Those things future relationships. Those

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are going to have to be talked are going to have to be talked

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about, probably starting in June. It will come thick and fast in the

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summer. More expensive than most divorces that I know about. I did

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ask about that earlier and we are going to play that on later on in

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the programme. Her response to what Jean-Claude Juncker was seeing in

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the press. Let's move on to treat now.

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Donald Trump has called North American Free Trade agreement

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Donald Trump is pulled America out of the Pacific countries.

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Donald Trump has called North American Free Trade agreement

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He wants to get a better one for America.

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And that may be bad news for Texas Cattle ranchers.

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NAFTA eliminates trade barriers between the US, Canada and Mexico.

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And since it's introduction in 1994, exports of US beef have soared.

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Michelle Fleury went to Texas to find out.

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This is a fifth generation Texas cattle rancher.

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My family's been doing this since 1915.

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His fortunes are tied to international trade.

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A significant number of his cattle end up being sold abroad,

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including just south of the border in Mexico.

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We've been dealing in international trade since 1933 when we first

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So the export market is important to you?

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The export market is very important to our organisation.

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Some years, I have seen our international sales be

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85% of all the business that we did that year.

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And the North American Free Trade Agreement is really

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It allows his beef to enter Mexico duty-free.

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So any changes could hurt him and other American cattle ranchers.

:23:23.:23:27.

Donald Trump enjoyed strong support in rural communities, like this one,

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Now, the challenge is can he come up with a trade policy that can help

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In the state capital, Austin, the Texas Agriculture

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Sid Miller was part of the Trump campaign's advisory council.

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Like the President, he believes changing NAFTA is a good thing,e ven

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I said, "When this President takes office, it's going to be a rocky

:23:57.:24:07.

start, cos he's going to upset people, he's going

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We're going to re-negotitate deals that people had the sweet deal,

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the sweet end of it, they're not going to

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The honeymoon with the cattle industry isn't over yet,

:24:19.:24:21.

According to cattle dealer, Jenning Steen, Trump's decision

:24:22.:24:24.

to walk away from a Trans-Pacific partnership, a trade pact with Asia,

:24:25.:24:27.

We can quanitfy TPP today, so what could be going to those

:24:28.:24:31.

countries today is about $400,000 worth of beef that would be

:24:32.:24:37.

Ranchers fear they may end up a casualty of

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They're hoping his tough stance on NAFTA is just

:24:47.:24:50.

One very important piece of news. I don't know how happy you are today

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and I'm concerned because you are not living in the world's happiest

:25:13.:25:17.

country. If you were in Norway, that would make you very happy indeed.

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I'm not sure why the UN is spending their money on this but they have

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came up with... There you go! You would be like that gentleman.

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Weirdos America feature? America features number 14. Sad, right? You

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will be a lot happier when you go on holiday next week.

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You're watching One Hundred Days from BBC News.

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Still to come for viewers on the BBC News Channel and BBC

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World News: We talk to the EU's Foreign Affairs Representative,

:25:49.:25:51.

as Britain names the day it will confirm it's leaving Europe.

:25:52.:25:55.

We will look at the methods used by the Russians to spy on that

:25:56.:26:00.

election. That's still to come on 100

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Days, from BBC News. Things will improve later in the

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week but it hasn't been a very promising start to the week and

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we've got much colder air coming in from the north-west, bringing lots

:26:18.:26:21.

of showers. Choosing this band of cloud that brought the rain. Really,

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through the rest of the night, it is clear skies and showers, most of the

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showers in the north and west and as the air gets colder and colder,

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those showers will turn more wintry, more snow falling in Scotland and

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Northern Ireland. This is the main focus of the wintry weather and with

:26:39.:26:42.

those temperatures, we will not despite snow but ice as well. They

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are that in mind overnight and tomorrow, Russia if you are

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travelling in Scotland and Ireland, tricky travelling conditions not

:26:53.:26:55.

just on the high-level routes. Some of the snow at lower levels will

:26:56.:26:59.

melt but the snow will be going over the higher ground. Not much of that

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getting to Easter in Scotland here. It should be dry overnight and first

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thing in the morning. Sunshine to come. Sunshine across England and

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Wales, a scattering of showers out west, feeding through the Bristol

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Channel. For many central and eastern parts of England, you will

:27:16.:27:20.

notice a chill in the air, despite the sunshine. As the wind picks up,

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more servers. Showers from late morning onwards, more frequent out

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towards the west. The showers could be heavy and hail and thunder as

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looking at these sort of looking at these sort of

:27:35.:27:36.

temperatures, disappointing for this type of year. Temperatures will drop

:27:37.:27:41.

quickly when the ship was come along with gusty winds. There is a band of

:27:42.:27:46.

more organised wet weather developing the south-west of wheels,

:27:47.:27:50.

that moves northwards into the very cold air in Scotland, that could

:27:51.:27:53.

lead to more snow in southern Scotland and the far north of

:27:54.:27:56.

England overnight and first thing on Wednesday. Lifting onto the hills,

:27:57.:28:01.

keep wet weather going down the eastern side of the country, another

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chilly day. The chance of some rain in the south-east on Thursday but

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it's starting to dry off from Thursday onwards. High pressure

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building and across the UK. Things will improve as the week goes on.

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Losing all those wintry showers, starting to dry up by the time we

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get to the weekend. Some very pleasant sunshine around, but with

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clear skies overnight, still on the chilly side.

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The head of the FBI has confirmed that his agency is conducting

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an investigation into alleged links between President Trump's

:30:18.:30:19.

campaign team and Russia during last year's election.

:30:20.:30:21.

After Friday's difficult summit with Angela Merkel,

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we'll speak to the EU's High Representative for Foreign Affairs

:30:23.:30:25.

about President Trump's relations with Europe.

:30:26.:30:38.

As well as confirming that there is an investigation

:30:39.:30:41.

into possible collusion between individuals

:30:42.:30:43.

in the Trump campaign team and the Russian government,

:30:44.:30:47.

today's hearing with the heads of the FBI and NSA also gave some

:30:48.:30:50.

fascinating insights into why the agencies believe

:30:51.:30:52.

the Russians intervened, and how they may have done so.

:30:53.:30:54.

Here they are answering a question about how Russian activity

:30:55.:30:57.

in this election differed from previous campaigns.

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I'd say the biggest difference from my perspective

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was both the use of cyber - the hacking as a vehicle

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to physically gain access to information, to extract that

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information, and then to make it widely publicly available

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The only thing that I'd add is that they were unusually loud

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It's almost as if they didn't care that we knew what they were doing,

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or that they wanted us to see what they were doing.

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It was very noisy, their intrusions in different institutions.

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Let's talk now to Newsnight's diplomatic editor, Mark Urban.

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What do you make of that last point he was making, that they were

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unusually loud and it was like they didn't care or wanted us to

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know? I think that refer to certain types of cyber attacks, certain

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groups being used, not making much effort to disguise it, which plays

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into the sense that we also heard from him today, director Comey, that

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Vladimir Putin had a real grudge against Hillary Clinton, used the

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word hated her, that he wanted to assist her opponent in the election,

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coming quite close to seeing what this whole investigation is

:32:26.:32:28.

supposedly about, whether there was some meaningful connection between

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Russia and the Trump campaign, an issue on which of course he was not

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going to comment directly today. Used some technical language along

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the way, fleeing Russia had used some kind of cutout with WikiLeaks

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when disseminating information? -- used some technical language along

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the way, saying that Russia. Performing a hacking, extracting the

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files, if you like, the servers, and they then pass them to the people,

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who are people who if you like where well-known Kremlin fronts, and the

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intelligence community contends, WikiLeaks. But the intermediary is

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the cutout... Meaning you cannot trace who it was? Exactly, so there

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was no direct connection. Let's face it, that is a pretty serious

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military intelligence operation well-known in Western espionage, and

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WikiLeaks. They had to be a middle person and that is what he was

:33:29.:33:34.

contending. The other thing James Comey said with absolute certainty

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is that the Russians will be back. He mentioned the 2020 election. What

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are Western intelligence agencies able to do to try to prevent

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Russians, if they are inclined to keep coming back and hacking into

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elections, from doing so? I think if you were to get the briefing from

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them, Katty, they would start off with all the basic security things,

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don't make your password of the word password, something we have heard in

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the context of John Podesta, then go through all the other things you can

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do to strengthen your security systems, then the more covert stuff,

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the steps they can take to try to thwart them by cyber methods, but

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the last time we were talking it was about that WikiLeaks leak of the CIA

:34:20.:34:22.

hacking tools, and of course one aspect of that was the CIA used all

:34:23.:34:29.

kinds of methods designed to disguise the true identity of who

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was doing the hacking, ie including Russian tools, so the waters are

:34:33.:34:37.

very muddy here in terms of actual attributing, and if this happens in

:34:38.:34:41.

the French or German elections, those officials may make warnings

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about this, but how will it be definitively kneeled down? One thing

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I should mention the both of you is that the US intelligence report

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office which came out in January gave a pretty clear hence they were

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not lying just on cyber clues and interception but that they had

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agents in these Russian organisations who said, you know, we

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did it, and this is how. Fascinating. For the moment, Mark,

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thank you very much. President Trump's relationship

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with the EU is complicated During his election

:35:12.:35:13.

campaign, and even once he'd won the presidency,

:35:14.:35:16.

he was openly critical. He's called the EU 'bureaucratic',

:35:17.:35:18.

a 'disaster' - he's even suggested that the EU's could

:35:19.:35:20.

one day 'break up.' So it might have been

:35:21.:35:22.

with some trepidation that the EU's High Representative

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for Foreign Affairs and Security Earlier today, I sat down

:35:25.:35:27.

with Federica Mogherini. Federica Mogherini, we are now 60

:35:28.:35:32.

days into the new administration What do you make of Mr

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Trump and his policies? I see it is still

:35:36.:35:45.

a work in progress. This is also why I'm

:35:46.:35:47.

here now for the second time in a month or so,

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and we have intense meetings with the administration

:35:50.:35:53.

at all levels. I'll be seeing

:35:54.:35:54.

Vice President Pence for the second time, here in Washington,

:35:55.:35:57.

after he paid a visit to the EU And with all my interlocutors,

:35:58.:35:59.

I stress the European Union priorities, I find them

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in a listening mode, and there are for sure common

:36:08.:36:09.

grounds to be covered, especially our work on Syria

:36:10.:36:12.

and other things. You've actually been very critical

:36:13.:36:14.

on a range of issues - on the Mexican wall,

:36:15.:36:17.

on refugees, on the embassy Is this going to be a difficult

:36:18.:36:20.

relationship between the EU We have on some issues

:36:21.:36:25.

different opinions. On other things -

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you mentioned the embassy move. Well, it hasn't happened so far,

:36:37.:36:38.

so I guess we share the same views. On the Iran deal, also,

:36:39.:36:41.

I got reassurances of the fact that what is important for the US

:36:42.:36:44.

administration is a complete and strict implementation

:36:45.:36:48.

of the deal which is also the case for us, and we will enter

:36:49.:36:50.

into a more pragmatic But he has called

:36:51.:36:53.

the EU a disaster... And he sent his vice president

:36:54.:37:00.

to an official visit to the European Union institutions,

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saying that they're looking forward to increase and deepen

:37:03.:37:05.

the relationship with the EU. So who do you believe,

:37:06.:37:07.

Mr Trump or Mr Pence? I always believe what is said

:37:08.:37:14.

in the official meetings. Your boss, Jean-Claude Juncker,

:37:15.:37:16.

this morning, in an interview over the weekend, in a German newspaper,

:37:17.:37:20.

has said that the UK will need to prepare itself to be

:37:21.:37:23.

treated as a third country. Well, that's what the Prime Minister

:37:24.:37:26.

of the UK has decided to do, and the British people have

:37:27.:37:36.

decided to do. Once the UK will be out

:37:37.:37:38.

of the Union, which is not the case for now, it will be a third country

:37:39.:37:42.

because it will not There is no alternative to being

:37:43.:37:44.

a member state or a third country. You can be best friends,

:37:45.:37:59.

and we have many best friends in the world,

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but if not a member you're out. But he also said that the terms

:38:04.:38:06.

of the Brexit deal are going to be so odorous on the United Kingdom

:38:07.:38:11.

that the other members of the European Union

:38:12.:38:13.

are going to suddenly fall back Well, that has started

:38:14.:38:16.

already I think. Not because of the terms

:38:17.:38:18.

or the conditions of the Brexit, but simply by the fact that exactly

:38:19.:38:21.

nine months after the referendum the UK Government has not even asked

:38:22.:38:24.

to start formal negotiations, so this shows that

:38:25.:38:27.

democracy is complicated. There are internal discussions

:38:28.:38:38.

in the United Kingdom going on. We know now that Article 51

:38:39.:38:40.

will be invoked next week. It is exactly nine months afterward,

:38:41.:38:43.

so I see the UK Government has taken its time, which means

:38:44.:38:46.

that they have some Mr Juncker also said that talks

:38:47.:38:48.

cannot begin until the UK agrees I mean, if you're going to set that

:38:49.:38:52.

kind of condition before the negotiations even start it

:38:53.:38:56.

doesn't bode very well, does that, I can tell you in my field,

:38:57.:38:59.

foreign and security policy, we have decided unanimously,

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at 28 - because we are still 28 and we will be 28 for the next

:39:04.:39:06.

couple of years, at least - that we set up a joint military

:39:07.:39:09.

command for all the European Union We decided that unanimously, at 28,

:39:10.:39:12.

with the United Kingdom just a couple of weeks ago,

:39:13.:39:16.

so negotiations have This is because the UK needed

:39:17.:39:18.

more time to prepare. Thank you. While we were off era,

:39:19.:39:42.

the G20 finance directors met and they all signed up to this

:39:43.:39:47.

communiqu , which as usual, but the Americans really resisted the idea

:39:48.:39:50.

of putting in there that all trade should be free. Obviously there is

:39:51.:39:57.

this American first policy the White House is pushing. Not very keen to

:39:58.:40:14.

put in that it should be free trade, Steve Minish? -- yes, he comes from

:40:15.:40:24.

Goldman Sachs, and usually is taking a big effort on this language, which

:40:25.:40:30.

is really pro forma. It has never been a big deal before, but making

:40:31.:40:35.

sure it was sending a clear signal. It was interesting listening to

:40:36.:40:40.

Federica Mogherini there, because there she was preaching

:40:41.:40:43.

globalisation and free trade, preaching alliances, and here you

:40:44.:40:46.

have a White House again this weekend making it very clear that

:40:47.:40:50.

that is not the path they are wanting to take. Let's get a little

:40:51.:40:54.

bit of other news now from around the world...

:40:55.:40:56.

A short while ago at the White House, Donald Trump

:40:57.:40:58.

had his first meeting with the Iraqi prime minister, Haider al-Abadi.

:40:59.:41:01.

It comes as Mr Trump continues to consider his options

:41:02.:41:03.

for defeating the so-called Islamic State.

:41:04.:41:05.

He campaign on a promise to dramatically ramp up the fight

:41:06.:41:08.

against the IS and has vowed to eradicate what he called

:41:09.:41:10.

The five top candidates in the French presidential election

:41:11.:41:22.

are about to face off in the first of several televised debates.

:41:23.:41:30.

Centrist frontrunner Emmanuel Macron and far-right leader

:41:31.:41:33.

Marine Le Pen are expected to come under attack -

:41:34.:41:35.

particularly from conservative nominee, Francois Fillon.

:41:36.:41:36.

Once a frontrunner, he has slipped in the polls since becoming

:41:37.:41:39.

embroiled in a damaging expenses scandal.

:41:40.:41:45.

Sean Spicer was talking just an hour ago. I often watch when he comes out

:41:46.:41:50.

to the podium, and think, how is he going to defend this one? Sometimes

:41:51.:41:55.

he gets himself into these verbal contortions trying to defend the

:41:56.:41:58.

president. Why do you think he is not just honest about some of these

:41:59.:42:02.

things and says, look, this one, we're not too keen on, but can we

:42:03.:42:07.

focus on some of the business of government? I had a very interesting

:42:08.:42:10.

story this weekend that might explain

:42:11.:42:21.

some of that. Like you, I almost felt sorry for Sean Spicer, coming

:42:22.:42:24.

out today after such conclusive testimony from FBI director Comey,

:42:25.:42:27.

but it is that this is a president who does not want to back down and

:42:28.:42:30.

does not want his staff to back down on his behalf. For example, over the

:42:31.:42:33.

GCHQ thing, he didn't like the idea that there had been any apology. He

:42:34.:42:37.

didn't want his staff to apologise to the Brits over the GCHQ

:42:38.:42:42.

allegation. He wasn't furious about the GCHQ allegation being made,

:42:43.:42:46.

Christian, he was furious about the idea someone had apologised for it,

:42:47.:42:50.

and I think that gives an indication of the kind of pressure Sean Spicer

:42:51.:42:53.

is under every single day when he goes out there to make sure he

:42:54.:42:58.

defends his boss. That is it, Christian, from jaw-mac for this

:42:59.:43:04.

week. Join us at the same time tomorrow. Thank you for watching.

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