09/05/2017 100 Days+

The US watched Russian hackers interfere with the French election

services. The head of the agency services. The head of the agency

says he also now have they cannot stay ahead of the cyber attacks. Two

days of testimony in a string of days of testimony in a string of

warnings from US intelligence agencies on Russia's intentions to

undermine democratic elections. The US is considering sending 3000 more

troops to Afghanistan to fight the Taliban. Nato is asking the UK to up

its commitment as well. The winner of South Korea's

presidential election says he wants better relations with the North.

Will that make it harder or easier to resolve this crisis?

And with over four weeks to go until the general election here in the UK,

Prime Minister Theresa May and her husband, Philip, sit down for their

first ever broadcast interview putting their partnership in the

spotlight. And this is a rare old talent, isn't

it? Our colleague Steve Rosenberg not only knows all the winners at

the Eurovision Song Contest, he can play them as well.

I'm Katty Kay in Washington, Christian Fraser is in London.

The US National Security Agency was watching in real time last week

as the Russians hacked into the servers of the French

They've also determined that the Russian President Vladimir Putin

'personally' directed the attack last year on the US election.

Today in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee

the director of the NSA, Admiral Mike Rogers,

was questioned by Senators and this was how he described his agencies

He had become aware of Russian activity, we had talked to French

counterparts prior to the public announcements of the events that

were attributed last weekend, the Russians were seeing them,

infrastructure. What can we do to infrastructure. What can we do to

try to assist? We were doing some other things with German

counterparts. With but his counterparts, they have an upcoming

election. Admiral Rogers is concerned

cyberattacks are moving from the obtaining data -

to manipulating it. But how else did the Russians

exert their influence over the US Earlier today, the former US

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was speaking on US television

and gave her own take, on Russia's I am appalled by what the Russians

did, and the arts to find a way ultimately to punish it. Vladimir

Putin is getting tremendous satisfaction from watching us tear

apart are an system. He has an eye for an eye kind of person. We

questioned specifically, Hillary Clinton specifically questioned the

legitimacy of his election in 2012. He is going to show us that he can

question and probed about the legitimacy of our elections.

Matthew Rojansky is with the Woodrow Wilson Center.

He has just returned from Moscow and joins us now.

Let's start with Mike Rogers, saying that they were watching in

real-time, as Russian hackers interfered in the French elections,

and they warned the French. The fact that they want the French, is that

key, and is it an indication that western intelligence agencies are

coming together to try to combat the Russian threat?

It is, and it should be. I think if there was ever a time that the West

indifferent about the question of indifferent about the question of

conflict in the cyber domain or in the information domain, there is

the Russians approached Washington the Russians approached Washington

and said let's do a treaty on this, cyber treaty, and Washington said,

we don't really need that, our tools are better than yours, we're not

afraid of you. We have learned the lesson from that. We playing close

attention. This is the blowback from Putin. Every time he tweaks a

western country, he drives the circling of the wagons, and

cooperation, among his adverse is, and he is having to deal with that

now between France and the United States.

Let me pick up on what Kondo Lisa Ray said. There was some speculation

after the French election here in Washington that all this had shown

was backfiring against him because was backfiring against him because

Marine Le Pen did not. Is that too simplistic?

I think it probably is. Part of what Putin is looking to do broadly is

settle in Russian domestic politics. There is also a Russian election in

early 2018, it is not grisly free and fair, you can have called it a

coronation. A panic about Russia and the West, retaliation against

Russia, this feeds Putin's narrative that Russia is under assault, and so

you, the Russian people, you need me the strong leader to protect you.

Admiral Roger said America is not fast enough to deal with the cyber

attacks. That is something I want to put to

Matthew, I was in Paris over the weekend with a deputy from the

National Assembly, alongside a cyber expert for an interview, and the

cyber expert said to him, you don't understand how serious this isn't

how far it goes. The deputy tried to say that he did, but it was clear to

be that he didn't. This is the problem for a lot of western

governments, this is high-tech stuff. These politicians don't

properly understand. That's right, on the one hand I

think that the French response in terms of, very 11th hour, banning

news reporting about any of the content of these alleged leaked

e-mails, probably had more blowback than it did benefit. There were a

lot of people on Twitter, French and otherwise, complaining about how

anti-democratic this was. Fundamentally, there is nothing new.

This argument was made in 1946, the way that you contain a defeat, you

define problems and you find solutions to those problems. You

convince people that your solutions work better than the other guys.

That's the biggest problem western democratic institutions have, we

talk a big game but we are not sorting out problems.

And coming back to that point that And coming back to that point that

President Putin is revelling in this, there were strings of Russian

code in there. The audacity is all to see.

To the extent that what Putin is trying to do is drive a domestic

story, something about how the West responds, the fact that the West is

incompetent and in chaos, that it is aggressive but at the end of the day

it is going to fail, today is victory day, when the Russians

celebrate their victory over Nazi Germany, there is a continuity to

the story. Today's West is noted print -- no different to those other

western invaders. All those who tried to invade and defeat Russia,

and ultimately we defeated them. This is the narrative he wants to

take into early 2018. Thank you very much, good to be with

us again. Let's turn to Afghanistan. Britain has been asked

by NATO to send 500 more There's been another surge

in the fighting between the Taliban We should get more clarity tomorrow

on what NATO is planning when the Secretary-General,

Jens Stoltenberg, meets Yes there are similar reports

here in Washington today that senior military advisers to President Trump

are proposing sending an extra 3,000 The US Defence secretary

is in Europe and was today reaffirming the administration's

support for NATO. We now confront concerns from the

East and threats from the South, and we're going to have to stand visible

but also indivisible as we deal with these issues. I am on my way to

Lithuania, where I will observe the Nato troops together under the

German framework mission there. We make very clear that these problems

we have between us and Russia will be solved by diplomats and no other

way. When you listen to Donald Trump, he

sounds as conflicted as his predecessors. The question he has to

answer is how long can they go in Afghanistan, 16 years now, by most

measures the country is in a stalemate. Yes, it is getting that

worse but not to the extent that you see the Taliban winning all the

Afghan government -- or the Afghan Afghan government -- or the Afghan

government clearly failing. Questions here today about what

point does the start looking like an occupation rather than a war, 16

years as a long time, a lot of money and a lot of American troops. What

can these 3000 troops realistically do? President Obama in 2000 and 9

cents and extra 30,000 troops, and the country is not much more stable

today, there has been researchers the Taliban and Islamic State moving

into the country since then. 3000 troops, is that really going to make

an awful lot of difference in terms of the long-term stability of the

country? It is not just the Taliban, it is

Islamic State as well. Another country high

on President Trump's And he may not be too happy to learn

the new President of South Korea is Moon Jae-in who won 41 percent

of the vote. Mr Moon's parents fled the North

during the Korean War. According to his autobiography,

his father worked at a prisoner-of-war camp,

while his mother sold eggs In the campaign Mr Moon

promised to improve He has also questioned

the deployment of THAAD - a US missile defence system

which the US military installed in his country -

and with some haste - So, will Mr Moon adopt a less

confrontational approach to North Korea and will that be

a problem for Mr Trump? Our Correspondent Steve Evans

reports from Seoul. Moon Jae-in Congratulated on his way

to victory tonight. The man taking South Korea to the left, and perhaps

closer to North Korea, he wants to talk to Pyongyang. Voters have

backed him by a big margin. They went to the polls in large numbers,

and turnout of around 80%. The issues, the economy of course. Young

people worry about jobs. And whether to confront or talk to North Korea.

As a person who is going to the military in a few years, I don't

want to live in a country where it is at risk of breaking out in war,

army actually having to go into the war with North Korea.

I'm not much different from most people, national security is the

main point of concern. When the leading presidential candidate of

the country is saying he wants to resume talks with North Korea, that

is a concern to a lot of us. All the indications are that turnout

is very high in this election. People have been galvanised by

politics with the sacking of the previous president. And the issues

are so big. This is not a country which is fed up with democracy. Mr

Moon does not like the American anti-missile system. Just installed

and South Korea. He favours increased cooperation with

Pyongyang. So, we'll left of centre Moon Jae-in get on with President

Trump? A new softer approach in Seoul may not please Washington.

For more on the larger implications of this election we are joined now

by Balbina Hwang who formerly served in the US state department

Thanks very much for coming back to the programme. What do you think

about the question that Stephen Evans has raised? Is this a problem

for Donald Trump in his efforts to resolve the crisis in North Korea?

Yes. Moon Jae-in Is a progressive and the ideological air of the

previous president. And indeed, Moon Jae-in personally wants to carry on

the legacy, which was to deepen ties with North Korea.

Mr Moon said that South Korea should learn to say no to America. Quite a

combative stance from South Korea. Yes, it is, and what is interesting

is that for the last six months or so, when President Park was under

the impeachment process, Moon Jae-in toned down much of his rhetoric.

Clearly to try to garner wider public support. But in the last

rhetoric has been very harsh against rhetoric has been very harsh against

North Korea, Moon Jae-in has now been able to go back to his

progressive roots and do it more openly in public.

We have spoken a lot about nationalism and populism, and it

looks like we have that in Mr Moon in South Korea. What happens when

two nationalist populist, Moon Jae-in and Donald Trump, have to go

up against each other? I don't think Moon Jae-in is a

populist, and despite his win in the election, the majority of South

Koreans do not support him. This was not a sign of populist, assertive

populism. He did well with young people.

Yes, but that is an indication that younger people are satisfied with

the status quo. It is not quite populism. They want deep-seated

reform. A lot of people in the States will

say, we have tried the softer say, we have tried the softer

approach before, it went on for ten years until 2008, and didn't work?

That's exactly right. Many South That's exactly right. Many South

Koreans also feel that way. But the past five years, with a much

stronger stance, that also did not seem to work. Most Koreans, the

North Korean issue is not the single most important issue for South

Koreans. They really are stuck with the same kind of issues that we saw

sweeping through France, Great Britain, even the United States.

Jobs in the future, much better economy, and they won't the elites

and political system not to be corrupt.

What does this mean for THAAD, which has just become fully operational in

South Korea? Interestingly, Moon Jae-in had

started his campaign by saying he would be more moderate in his

approach. But some of the mixed signals the Trump administration

have sent is giving him an unison, and that may lead to trouble --

ammunition. Such an interesting question, we are

seeing patterns around the world. Thank you for coming in to join us.

Donald Trump campaigned on the promise of getting America

out of foreign conflicts - he's clearly finding that's

We have already discussed tonight those reports of more US troops

So, is it possible in today's world for a US president to pull back

With me is one man who has seen plenty of presidents come and go.

In fact many years ago he was the speechwriter for Jimmy Carter.

He also wrote a book on the consequences of invading

Iraq, and this summer James Fallows of the renowned US magazine

The Atlantic will move here, to London, to open their first

James, hello, welcome to the programme.

Glad to be here. Here is a president who is America

first, at once the hand is dealt, you have to go with it.

It is much easier to make a campaign speech, saying out of Nafta, Nato,

other entanglements, but the world is the world. Thinking Americans,

however much a segment that is of the larger population, recognise

that in terms of strategy, economy, education, the United States' fate

is connected to the world. They have got a foot on either side

of the Atlantic. But there are some tumultuous things happening, is it

populism in Europe and the West that populism in Europe and the West that

you have come customer? We have always had a combination of

the American idea, and very serious international coverage. It has

become more obvious, even than before, what is happening now in

Europe, economic Lee, politically, Europe, economic Lee, politically,

it matters to the entire world. We're here to expand the coverage

for traditional US audience, and try to add to the mix following what the

BBC has done for decades of trying to have a particular accent on

explaining world affairs. Up after the Atlantic and the BBC,

you are such approach! We have spoken many times, I did not know

you were a pilot until I read about your tour of the United States, you

piloted a small plane. You went to small towns, one of the things we

saw in the US elections, in the French election, to a lesser extent

during the Brexit debate, was the split between urban centres and

rural areas. Was there a common thread in what people said to you

during those smaller towns that made you perhaps see?

There may be a difference between the US situation and continental

Europe and the UK, where the narrative is the same of this divide

between the bigger urban centres, New York, London, DC, and the

that prevailing narrative misses a that prevailing narrative misses a

lot of what's happening in the interior of America where you see

the middle part of the country, a kind of Renaissance. While it is

true that New York and Los Angeles have their own special things, there

is more of a middle of the country is more of a middle of the country

revival in the US than may be possible for reasons of scale, but

part of what I want to look into in the time ahead as the situation as

to what is happening on that front. I do going to be looking at the new

divide between left and right, between globalist and Nationalist?

The Brexit election, the recent French returns, and Trump last year,

here's Brett difference has enormous consequence. The US has turned away

from globalism, the Brexit result, and we see with the French result in

particular people beginning to reconsider what it means to take

these drastic steps. I hope, James, you're going to be a

friend of the programme and talk to us some more.

I have topped often with Katty Kay in DC so I will see you again.

Some of the other stories. Police in Germany have arrested

a second soldier suspected of planning a right-wing extremist

attack on a senior public figure. It is thought the plot

was to kill someone linked to Chancellor Merkel's refugee

policy and frame the incident Aid agencies say that up to 250

people are believed to have drowned after two boats sank

in the Mediterranean in recent days. Earlier this week the Italian

Coastguard said about 6000 migrants had been rescued in the space

of two days. The number of people leaving Libya

for Europe is up nearly 50% this year compared with the opening

months of 2016. And today Russia has been

celebrating Victory Day, a major holiday in which the country

celebrates the Soviet Union's victory over Nazism

during World War Two. A grand military parade

on Moscow's Red Square Vladmir Putin gave a speech

on the 72nd anniversary and assured his people

that they would never Mr Putin said there had never been,

nor ever would be, a power that Well, as that celebration

was underway, Russia's neighbour Ukraine is hosting the annual

Eurovision Song Contest, which has really become a mix

of pop and politics. This year Ukraine has

banned the Russian entry from entering the country -

Julia Samoylova has been told she cannot attend

because she performed The Russians knew that when they

nominated her to be the entry, that Ukraine would not allow them into

the country, so there was cynicism on Moscow's part. I like a different

anniversary. Our correspondent Steve Rosenberg

is Kiev, and while he's also reporting, he has taken a break

to play the piano. For an hour, he took requests -

offering to play all the winners from Eurovision contests

from its entire 62-year history. The reason would like Only

Teardrops. Let's have a go. That was 2013 in Denmark.

Betty says, Puppet On A String please. That was back in 1967, 50

years ago. We've got requests for Fairy tale.

Let's see. That's... Someone else says she has just

finished exams and is listening to this, it is a great way to

de-stress. I am glad. Here's an entry from Azerbaijan.

I hope you have enjoyed this little fun wok down memory lane. If you're

interested in the Eurovision Song Contest, watch the first semifinal

watch it on BBC Four in the UK. But watch it on BBC Four in the UK. But

from me from Kiev, a very good night to you.

If I was him, I would give up the day job. Have you ever seen his

They are sitting around a table, and They are sitting around a table, and

they are talking in Russian, because Steve talks reasonably good Russian.

And suddenly the conversation breaks And suddenly the conversation breaks

into an old folk song in Russian, and Steve gets out from the table,

goes over to the piano and starts goes over to the piano and starts

playing it. And Gorbachev joins in! Standing there with his arm on the

piano, and they start singing together. If you have not seen it,

go and look on the BBC website because it is there somewhere.

Do you think I could try that with Donald Trump and you could try it

with trees are made? -- Theresa May. I am tone deaf, though, so you

really do not want to be singing anywhere near this programme unless

you want to totally kill the ratings! I love that, though, I

tuned in last year and they get completely addicted to it. Thousands

of people watching that Facebook. Rather him than me, is all I can

say. How does he know all of that stuff? Isn't he busy?

He will have to learn a new song again in the next few weeks. And put

it to memory. I will have to pull your way from

the Eurovision Song Contest, just before we go, US officials are

saying they do not expect the election and South Korea to make a

big difference in relations, but they think it could introduce a

little bit of volatility. Coming to us out of the White House from South

Korea. That's back on South Korea. You're watching

100 Days+ from BBC News. Still to come for viewers on the BBC

News Channel and BBC World News - we will look at the Sally Yates

testimony before Congress and examine exactly who knew

what information about Russian connections to members

of the Trump administration. And the British Prime Minister sits

down for an interview What kind of political

currency can be gained That's still to come on 100

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Beautiful weather across Wales, the South West, right across the Channel

temperatures in London getting up temperatures in London getting up

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strong. There is a potential of burning in the strong sunshine of

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low-pressure swinging in from the south, that means increasing amounts

of cloud. These showers which are drifting in from the south, but with

that comes quite my DS. Humidity, and temperatures may get up to

around 19-20. Further north, more sunshine on the way. Quite a mixed

bag on Friday across the UK. There could be some thunderstorms and

downpours. Very hit and miss, across southern, central and northern areas

as well. Quite muggy across central parts. Temperatures moving closer to

20 degrees. The weekend is pretty mixed, fairly breezy, relatively

warm, at further showers are on the way with a bit of sunshine from time

to time as well. Welcome back to One Hundred Days

Plus, I'm Katty Kay in Washington - America's National Security Agency

warned France that it was being an appearance in the election

campaign - Philip is the man described

as the prime minister's rock. I never heard her say she wanted to

be Prime Minister until she was quite established in the Shadow

Cabinet. Donald Trump's former national

security advisor Michael Flynn was vulnerable to Russian blackmail

- that stunning assertion came yesterday from the former acting

attorney general Sally Yates. She told Congress she warned

the White House they had With each new revelation

there is a little more intrigue, more detail and great many more

questions about why Mr Trump hired Flynn in the first place, and why,

after he was warned about him, We were not the only ones that knew

all this. That the Russians also knew about what general Flynn had

done and the Russians also knew that General Flynn had misled the vice

president and others because in the media accounts it was clear from the

vice president and others they were repeating what general Flynn had

told them and this was a problem because not only did we believe that

the Russians knew this but they likely had proof of this

information. And that created a compromise situation where the

national security adviser essentially could be blackmailed by

the Russians. And it has also emerged that when Obama was in

office he warned against hiring general Flynn. That advice was

ignored. Just days after Donald Trump had been elected Michael Flynn

was named as national security adviser.

On the 18th November, just days after Trump had been elected,

Michael Flynn was named as the National Security Adviser.

On the 29th December, Gen Flynn phoned the Russian

That same day President Obama was announcing new sanctions on Russia.

AND For the next month, Trump's press secretary and his vice

president were insisting that sanctions had not been

But the acting attorney general, Sally Yates, told the hearing

yesterday she had warned White House Counsel on 26th January

about her concerns that General Flynn had misled

On 9th February the Washington Post broke the story

that Flynn and Kislyak HAD discussed sanctions.

Four days later - and maybe only because the Washington Post had

published its investigation - General Flynn resigned

That was 18 days after White House Councel Don McGahn

Jon Sobel is here. Your chairman of the board of a major company, you

find out your CEO has made a personal mistake even though he had

warnings about the person he was appointing. Would he not be fired?

That CEO would be in a lot of trouble and there would questions

about their judgment. If they reach the conclusion that they could just

ride it out. That is why the story has not gone away because of our

questions. What happened in that 18 day period. The way that Sean Spicer

is trying to handle the briefing, which is still going on just now at

the White House, is to say we had to verify the facts and clear the

paperwork and then do due diligence and by that time 18 days have

elapsed. That is one scenario. The other is that as you hinted at,

perhaps Donald Trump made the calculation that we could ride this

out, he wanted to remain loyal to Mike Flynn and still seems to want

to remain loyal to him. And therefore the best way to do that is

just see if it all goes away quietly. The decisive change was

that it was suddenly in the public domain and the 11th commandment of

politics had been infringed, thou shalt not get called. It raises

questions about the management capacity of this White House, that

such a serious personal decision was made

and we should remind viewers that the national security adviser sits

just yards from the present, he sees him the whole time and has access to

the top secrets in the US. And yet there have been warnings about that

individual, specific warnings. And prior, just after the election I had

sat in a room with people saying he cannot appoint Flynn. Everyone who

knew the national security apparatus, who had been part of the

past administration and also people from the outside said no, not

national security adviser. Donald Trump was determined that this

person who had been with him, who lent credibility during the campaign

when no one else would, would be rewarded. The other point about the

national Security adviser is it is not like the appointment of a

Secretary of State for Defence secretary which must be approved by

the Senate, it is the personal gift of the President, there's no

congressional process for his approval. We are discussing how the

president emerges from this but what about the Republican senators and

congressmen because just to look at Sean Spicer here, he is trying to

say Sally Yates was a strong Clinton supporter so trying to diminish her

role. And then the Republicans yesterday seemingly more concerned

that Sally Yates had not approved the travel ban or the leaking of

information. They did not seem concerned that the NSA was

compromised. Well it was funny, listening to the whole hearing as I

did, it was like they were two different agendas, two different

investigations going on. For the Democrats the investigation into

Mike Flynn, what he knew, was compromised and if, from the

Republicans on the enquiry, how was he unmasks, who did it, where did

the leaks come from. So you have a very different, polarised political

agenda that took place at the enquiry. Just to add one thing which

I find fascinating, maybe it is nothing but in this first 100 days

we've had Donald Trump seven times per day in front of the cameras

during the summer that, signing this document, meeting that particular

group, and in the last couple of days we have not seen him. We're

told is because it is preparing for his trip in the next week to the

Middle East and to the Middle East and Europe. But it seems strange.

Just saying! With the election campaign

in the UK hotting up, and you'd expect the UK

Prime Minister Theresa May to be doing the rounds

of media interviews. She is certainly doing

plenty of travelling. But a short while ago,

she gave an interview - to the BBC - unlike any other she's done

in her 20 years as a politician. It was the first time

that Theresa May - regarded as a very private person -

agreed to be interviewed The couple spoke to

the BBC's One Show. Politicians have a major

responsibility spin doctors brought into the mix, have you ever been in

a situation where you have given into spin doctors? The way I

approach politics is to me I am going out asking people to vote for

me, to put their trust in me so I think is important that I'm open

with them and tell it as is. When I'm addressing them. But we've had

an experience of fake news. Way back when I was being selected for a

seat. One newspaper reported that I would have troubled to be selected

to fight a seat as a conservative because of my new baby. We did not

have a baby. And we did not think any more of it until the afternoon

my mother-in-law telephone. She thought there was something we had

not told her. So she was disappointed. Let's go back to the

beginning and you spoke about your mother-in-law, you were the daughter

of a vicar, a very solid upbringing. Was there any chance that he would

have rebelled -- that you would have rebelled at all, or the values that

were instilled then are they the values that you've taken forward

with you? I think they are. There were several things, being brought

up in a big rich, you get to meet a whole range of different people from

all types of backgrounds. One of the things my father taught me is that

you should take people as you find them and not have any preconceptions

about people. And treat everyone equally. That was an important

lesson I had. But life in the vicarage of course is different. You

get so many people coming in to see you. And your father was a shoe

salesman? Yes, he worked for the footwear company for the whole of

his career, as people did in those days. Joint in the late 1940s and

carried on until retirement. Joining us from New York is Theresa

May's biographer - Rosa Prince. You have written a book about the

Prime Minister, you've seen the background perhaps more than anyone

else. How important has still been in her life? He is hugely important

to have. It is interesting because he is important both politically and

personally. Theresa May was an only child, brought up in the vicarage as

she said. But her parents died when she was very young, just 23 and not

long married to fellow. So she really has had a family of two

because as you know as well the couples do not have children. So

just the two of them for all those years and they really sustain each

other. On a personal level he's very supportive, he is always there, they

are close couple. But he takes an interest in politics and is one of

her closest advisers on politics as well. From everything to policy to

her strategy, what should she call the election for example, he is

therefore have so by far and away the most important person in her

life. Perhaps even more than most spouses. A bit of a cliche but he is

her rock. During the interview on the One Show Philip inadvertently

perhaps revealed that Theresa May has been thinking of becoming Prime

Minister for the past seven years when she was in the Shadow Cabinet,

she first thought about it come he said. Not the story that we heard up

until now. It is not what she says but actually when I was doing the

biography I found, she's been saying she wants to be Prime Minister from

she was a little girl. From before she was an MP is used is said to

people University, one of her cousin said he heard her, tape recording of

her saying that when she was a teenager. So I think he's been a bit

disingenuous just to let slip that it has only been seven years. I

think she has always wanted to be Prime Minister and perhaps she has

learnt as she got older to be more settled spec about it. --

circumspect. I think she is harboured ambitions for a very long

time and I think he is pleased that he has been able to help her along

the way. Thank you very much for being with us. I just wonder how

much this helps if you are electioneering, having your partner

alongside you. Do you get a boost from that? It is such an interesting

question, the role of the political spouse. Here in the US there are

questions about whether Melania Trump is engaged enough, she does

not live in the White House, should she be more of a conventional first

Lady. I do not know if it is the difference between the fact that she

is a wife and Philip as a husband, but he seems to have managed so far

to keep pretty much below the radar or maybe it is just that we do not

expect as much in the UK from our Prime Minister's spouses as the

Americans do from the person living in the White House. Perhaps that is

the role, we do not tend to have a first lady. But there is a lot of

interest in Brigitte Macron. That is in France of course. Thank you very

much for watching. Goodbye.