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Hello and welcome to One Hundred Days Plus.

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The White House pushes back against reports that President Trump

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released damaging classified intelligence to the Russians.

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But some American allies now wonder whether it's safe to share

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sensitive information with this administration.

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The White House sends its national security advisor out

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to defend the President - his message, Mr Trump did not

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It is wholly appropriate for the president to share whatever

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information he thinks is necessary to ensure the security of the

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American people. That is what he did.

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Our fight is against Isis, as General McMaster said -

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and I know he feels that we had a great meeting.

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But senior Republicans join Democrats in criticising

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the President with questions about credibility,

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I think we could do with the little less drama from the White House on a

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lot of things. on some of the world's

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most notorious strongmen. And one of them is today

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a guest at the White House. President Erdogan of Turkey,

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who is not altogether happy the US And, news that Ford might soon be

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shedding 200,000 jobs? We'll tell you why the car company

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may be hitting a speed bump. Hello, I am Katty Kay in Washington,

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Christian Fraser is in London. Are reports that Donald Trump gave

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classified intelligence to Russian officials a storm in a tea cup

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or a major breach of The administration

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says it's the former. Critics say this marks a serious

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violation of an ally's confidence. The White House is not

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denying the information concerning Islamic State was given

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to Russia, it just says it was no big deal -

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in fact, "wholly appropriate" is how the national security advisor

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described it a short time ago. HR McMaster said a report

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in the Washington Post accusing the President of giving away

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intelligence was not accurate. I stand by my statement I said

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yesterday. The premise of that article was false, that in any way

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the president had the conversation that was an appropriate resulted in

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a lapse of national security. The real issue and what I would like to

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see debated more, is that our national-security has been put at

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risk by those violating confidentiality.

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And in the past hour this is what President Trump had

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to say about his meeting with the Russians.

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We had a very successful meeting with the Foreign Minister of Russia.

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Our fighters against Isis, as HR McMaster said, I know he is said and

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he feels that we had a great meeting with the Foreign Minister, so we are

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going to have a lot of great success over the coming years and we want to

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get as many to help fight terrorism as possible.

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Let's go to Jane O'Brien who is at the White House for us.

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To clarify, is the White House saying that everything in the

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Washington Post report is false or not quite that clear? You tell me.

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It is as clear as mud because certainly last night the White House

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was saying the story is false and today they are saying the

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conversation was appropriate in the context in which it was hard, so

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does that mean President Trump giveaway classified information are

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not? Again, General McMaster couldn't clarify that because he

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couldn't say what information was classified or not and that is a

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matter of policy and he wouldn't divulge it. So we are still no clear

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as to the context of content of what was said. Certainly the White House

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is saying that it was appropriate and didn't jeopardise

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national-security and the focus from the White House as it so often is is

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on the leaks, and how did the media and the Washington Post get to hear

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about any of this? Was that actually appropriate to sheer intelligence

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that had been provided by a third country? With the CIA deem it

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appropriate when the commander-in-chief seems to have

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been sloop orally briefed on the sensitivity of that information that

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he casually dropped it into conversation.

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This afternoon one European official warned that his country might soon

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stop sharing classified information with the US for fear

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Maybe an indication of the damage that has been caused.

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Also joining us now is Former CIA counter terrorism

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Thanks for joining us. Let's take a step back. Explain to us what cold

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water classified intelligence is and who has access to it. One of the

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things that people has in the classified work is our top secret

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security clearance, but codeword is to do with specific things that are

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happening. When I was working counterterrorism in Iraq I had

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codeword access to a variety of special platforms but I wouldn't

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have other access to the North Korean nuclear programme codeword

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information, because I had no reason to have it, so this is a way the

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United States and most of the intelligence community around the

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world compartmentalised as information, so one person can never

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know anything apart from the folks at the top, the president and

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national security adviser and others. The point is that this would

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be information he would maybe not even sure what his own cabinet but

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which he saw fit to share with the Russians? And that is the

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interesting thing. If you have information, and one of the other

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things is that it is a originator controlled, so we had this

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understanding across the US government but also with allies

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across the world, that if someone gives us information we will protect

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it not provided to other countries unless the originating country

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actually provides the assurance that we can do so. The New York Times

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about 20 minutes ago just said it was Israel that provided this

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original information, so it is going to be rather interesting that Donald

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Trump is going to Israel in the coming days when they will see why

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did you share this information with the Russians? Israel is specifically

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concerned about providing information to Moscow because what

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Moscow was doing in Syria is cooperating with the Syrian

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government and the Iranians, who are obviously very predisposed towards

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belligerence, towards the Israelis, so it is a huge mess these people

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are try to figure out in the next weeks. You have been listening and

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that has been reported by NBC as well, that it was the Israelis. You

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have listened to HR McMaster unseen everything that has come out of the

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White House in the last 24 hours. What is your bottom line take on

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this? How damaging was the intelligence that was given by

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President Trump to the Russians and how damaging is it potentially to

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intelligence relationships with allies? Intelligence is a team sport

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and even though the United States has global reach and the Burmese

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military and we spend lots of money, we need our allies, and if our

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allies cannot depend on the United States to maintain its secrets we

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have a real problem. Maybe the next time somebody has the crown jewels

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of information, they may not be so helpful in future. The United States

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occupies a central role in the intelligence world, especially

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fighting Isis and Al-Qaeda, but on other peripheral issues, people may

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have second thoughts and that is the major problem we are going to see in

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the months and years ahead. So, just to be clear, not so much the actual

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specific intelligence that might have been revealed that meeting that

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could cause problems for the White House, it is the damage this could

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do to allies and getting intelligence from them in the

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future? What we don't know if the actual contents of the intelligence

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provided to the Russians. Only Donald Trump and the Russians really

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know what they were talking about. It is really what we can do in the

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future. This time it is about Isis, maybe next time it is Russia or

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Eastern Europe on North Korea, and in a set of braggadocio the

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president may be talking about extremely sensitive things that

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another country has given us in confidence, and that is something

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the United States has to be very careful about providing to other

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people. One of the things HR McMaster said was that he didn't

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know where the information really came from. That is concerning as

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well. As the president doesn't know where the sources of information

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coming from, weird and hot water. I was going to ask you very question.

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The difficulty the NSA had was that President Trump had mentioned this

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off the cuff and he didn't seem to know, an even clearer which is more

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serious, how sensitive this information was. One theory put

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forward is that the president likes everything condensed, he doesn't

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like these reams of documents, he likes things in bullet form and in

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charts, and maybe that is the problem. He picked out this nugget

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of information without realising what the source was. One of the

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things you realise information that you have to know your sources and

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where it comes from and to the information received and what is the

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damage of this was provided to other places. Everybody in the

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intelligence community knows you cannot give it intelligence

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willy-nilly and if you don't know your sources, and something as

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extremely sensitive as a potential plot in the Middle East given to us

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by another country, if the information is the equivalent of

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what you read in a blog and you can differentiate between the two, we

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have a real problem in the White House and in our intelligence

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community, and other countries that rely on the United States, and we

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rely on them, are going to be very troubled by this event. Senior

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figures today talking about whether the president is doing his homework

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fully enough. If senior Republicans were wary

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of speaking out in the wake of James Comey's dismissal,

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no such concerns this time. The head of the Senate Foreign

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Relations Committee, Bob Corker, a Trump supporter said

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the allegations were troubling. Very troubling, in fact, and

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obviously they are enabling or spiral right now. He went on to say

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they have to come to grips with all that is happening.

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Joining me in the studio is Susan Page - the Washington

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politics for a long time and you covered Donald Trump's campaign and

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administration. Does this incident of sharing intelligence with the

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Russians seem different somehow do you? The past week seems different

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because firstly at the firing of the FBI director James call me at least

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in part because he was the leader of the investigation. And now we have

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the disclosure of what seems like loose talk with Russian officials by

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the president. There raw two things that General McMaster said, that

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were quite amazing. One was that the president wasn't aware of the

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sources and methods of misinformation and that he made the

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decision to disclose it on the fly. There had not been a careful process

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that this would be a useful thing to do, so both those incidents, raises

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questions about whether the president act on impulse and that

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that causes him great controversy. I do think his situation now is more

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troubling than it has been in his first 100 days. I was struck last

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night as this news broke by how quickly Republicans came and

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criticised. We saw Bob Corker and John McCain, who has been a critic

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before, but we also saw Paul Ryan. You had senior Republicans, can see

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it was concerning. Democrats are already inflamed about Donald Trump

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but for Republicans, you now see them publicly criticising him. We

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had a local Republican member of Congress for the Virginia suburbs

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put out a briefing -- request asking for a briefing from the intelligence

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committees so that they knew at least as much as the Russians! That

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is quite the statement from somebody who is from the president was my own

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party and who will face a tough the election bid as will many other

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Republicans. You see them starting to put some light between themselves

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and the president. This could cause problems for the president with his

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own party. I was just wondering whether Leon

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Panetta, talking about this earlier today, that there are very few

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people in the Oval Office right now who will speak truth to power and

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say, Mr President, you cannot just say or tweet what you want because

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it demeans the office and it demeans you. We know that the President's

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advisers, some of them have told him to stop treating. This is causing

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problems for him. We have seen that his own supporters say to stop

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tweeting and they don't think it is helpful. It is one thing we thought

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General Webmaster would be willing to do in a way that General Flynn

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was not. We have after the filing of James Comey that there might be a

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staff shake-up and they would try to do things differently. What do you

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think will be the result in the White House of this incident? There

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was continuing top today are the big shake-up coming. The problem is that

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the president, it has not been his staffers but his own tweets, so I'm

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not sure about changing the secretary or his strategist is going

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to make a difference in terms of how the White House operates. It

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revolves around the President's own conduct. One thing that is

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interesting that to hearing from allies of the United States is that

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they had been concerned about the foreign policy team and foreign

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policy in general. There is no more stabilisation and they think there's

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a good team in place with HR McMaster, but there are increasing

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concerns about the President's character, and whether this White

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House is just too impetuous and I think that gets to the issue of

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whether there is competency in the White House, and what Bob Corker was

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seeing, they have to get better at dealing with this kind of crisis.

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The issue of bringing the president into line, you wonder whether some

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put this stuff out there hoping they've is huge blow back and that

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makes shock into changing his ways. Credibility is hard-won and easily

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lost. What we saw today, and we didn't get it with the filing of the

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FBI director last week, but senior Republicans now coming out and

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talking about his competence as a president. Those are a few

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Republicans, and I will push back a little bit on how broad that

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criticism of competency is. Susan raised it and you have voices are

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raising now, but you also have people saying, you have affected

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people in there, a national security adviser under Defence Secretary is

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good, they think the Secretary of State is good, and the question of

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the president instead he knowingly give information to the Russians

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that was sensitive, or did he not knowingly give information to the

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Russians that was sensitive, and which would be worse two that seems

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to be the question. That has been a lot happening today.

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President Trump is under scrutiny because of Russia -

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but his affection for Turkey's increasingly autocratic leader

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Recep Tayyip Erdogan was at the White House today

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for what Mr Trump described as a strong and solid discussion.

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Turkey is of course a critical alliance for the Americans.

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But while many Europeans are alarmed at the way Mr Erdogan is behaving,

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Mr Trump recently described him as "a great guy."

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So what can the White House get in exchange get for its favourable

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We're joined now by Soner Cagaptay - he's the director of

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the Turkish Research Program at the Washington Institute

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and author of "the New Sultan: Erdogan and the Crisis of Modern

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Use of President Erdogan getting the red carpet treatment and I imagine

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that is the image she wants beamed back into Turkey to show he is being

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rehabilitated in the West after the referendum? That is correct. Erdogan

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has just won with a very narrow margin of victory a referendum that

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makes an style president, but it was a narrow margin of victory and were

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large-scale irregularities. They may or may not have been large enough to

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flip the outcome, but he wants to dismiss those allegations and move

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forward. The first thing he did after the referendum was to call it

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to Western leaders to recognise the result. Turkey has had elections

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fair and square since 1950, so if he is calling for this affirmation that

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is like a Freudian slip, one thing that affirmation to come from

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President Trump, and he got exactly that. He was already 50% happy at

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being invited year saw it was bound to be a good meeting because he got

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what he wanted. The sticky issue is the Syrian Kurds that the Americans

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are looking to get involved and tacky is against this. Would you see

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them going on this? The regional factions, President Erdogan is

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looking the other way as the United States works with them to take Raqqa

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from Isis. They will look the other way as they move against Isis

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stronghold in arrack and to me it seems this is the deal struck today

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at the White House going forward. We will see this with the liberation of

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Raqqa with Turkish assistance, and support against factions in arrack

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will come after that especially after Mosul is liberated. They have

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promised assistance to Turkey against criminal fundraising

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networks in Europe, so in this regard party has received strong

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report regarding the PKK presence in return for giving Washington the

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green light and promising not to be a spoiler regarding US plans to take

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Isis. Although you imagine this is a particularly good day to get a deal

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with Donald Trump because under so much pressure? That is correct. He

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probably has other things going on in the back of his mind. He arrived

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in Washington on the day the US President's mind is preoccupied with

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the major domestic crisis, and I think Erdogan therefore probably was

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unlucky in the strep and maybe got a sympathetic ear regarding other

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issues raised. This is a moment that will help them take Kentucky's

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secular democratic system. Once they took it down and they both wanted

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the country to themselves and what ensued was a real power struggle, so

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they have become -- if he found a sympathetic ear from President Trump

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in this regard, in the sense that he listens to his concerns, that will

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also make Erdogan happy going forward. Thank you for being with

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us. Last week, Henry Kissinger was brought into the White House to

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school, probably a good work, Donald Trump on what he needs to do going

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to the Middle East next week. In mind of what has been going on in

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the last 24 hours, a lot of people will be rather nervous about what he

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will be speaking about in these meetings?

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As was pointed out, he will have Israel on his agenda when he goes on

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this trip as well, and if these reports are right that this

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intelligence that was given to the Russians came from Israel, that will

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be one tricky conversation. Nato still want the assurance Donald

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Trump is fully committed to article five. Members of the G-7 confused

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about what this administration's policies are around the world,

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National is a more protectionism, they will want the assurance to.

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This is the message I keep wanting from diplomats in Washington, that

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they don't really know what they are dealing with. What is said one day

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can be countermanded the next day, when one person speaks are speaking

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for the President or not? That is causing a lot of concern among

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American allies. We have to deal with the White House but they have

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to figure out exactly how to go about that process. Is that trip

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will be fascinating because of that. Donald Trump hasn't been the only

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one under fire for his alleged A photo in the Washington post -

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revealed something that perhaps It's a photo of the president

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and that's his bodyguard Keith Schiller - who's carrying

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a stack of papers. Attached to the top

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is a yellow sticky note - which clearly says "Jim,

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Mad Dog, Mattis", along with the defence secretary -

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Jim Mattis' mobile phone number. Here's the thing. So mad is this

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news cycle that the Washington Post didn't even know they had printed

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that until a reader said, I have spotted this phone number. So the

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pool. The picture and said, are, yes! They called it and got his

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voice mail. The two things to say, Keith Schiller, the President's

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bodyguard, is employing the sticky note to hide very sensitive

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information like this mobile phone number, and the other thing is that

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even when they are jotted down on yellow post notes, the actually

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refer to him as Mad Dog, he is Mad Dog even to his colleagues! I

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thought it was as that refer to him as that but even in the White House

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years Mad Dog. That is how do we always referred to

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you, Christian cool presenter Fraser! That is a lie! There are

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other names are not repeatable on here.

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An award-winning Mexican journalist who reported extensively

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on the activities of drug cartels has been murdered.

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Javier Valdez was killed by gunmen who opened fire on his car

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Four journalists have been killed in Mexico in just

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Turkey and Mexico both very dangerous countries for journalists

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and we have been speaking about them today.

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The UN security council has strongly condemned North Korea's recent

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ballistic missile test - and warned of further sanctions.

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North Korea says the missile it tested successfully on Sunday

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was a new type of mid to long range rocket, capable of carrying

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But he 15 member security council, that includes North Korea's closest

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ally China, has demanded that Pyongnang put a stop to the tests.

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Here in the UK - The leader of the Labour party, Jeremy Corbyn,

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has officially launched the party's general election manifesto.

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The programme includes plans to re-nationalise

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the water companies, as well as the railways

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The Labour Party says the pledges will be paid for by more tax

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on businesses and higher earners - Some of the details

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And just to say, viewers in the UK can get up

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to date with all the events in the General Election campaign

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in the Election Wrap, which follows One Hundred Days Plus.

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That's on the BBC News Channel, from 7:30 across the UK.

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You're watching 100 Days Plus from BBC News.

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with Russian officials in the Oval Office -

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Former Defence Secretary William Cohen will be

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here to tell us what this means for national security.

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And we will look at Ford's plan to cut 10% of its global workforce.

:25:51.:25:53.

That's still to come on 100 Days Plus, from BBC News.

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Hello there. A real mixed bag of weather across the UK today. It will

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be a similar idea tomorrow but the main thing is it's going to be rainy

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around particular leave

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