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that. Also his contacts with Russian officials. Earlier today, I spoke to | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
a Democratic congressmen, a member of the house intelligence committee, | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
I asked him what he hopes to hear from Mr Sessions. | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
What do you want to hear from Jeff Sessions when he testifies in the | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
Senate? I think we're going to have a chance | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
to hear from Jeff Sessions. Most importantly about whether or not the | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
reserve third meeting with the Russian ambassador in Washington, | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
that is going to be very important. Also, get an update about his | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
working relationship with the White House. There had been some | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
discussion about the possibility that he offered his resignation, | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
which is very troubling. We don't understand why that would be, | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
whether it was just friction between he and the president, or some more | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
substantive issue that committee should know about. So there should | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
be very important issues today. You sit on the house intelligence | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
committee, and you have just been given extra funding for the Russian | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
investigation. What I do looking at? You're looking at the idea of | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
whether there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
or obstruction of justice, or are you looking at the possibility of | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
perjury? Certainly, the special Council is | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
the one we will be most concerned with any crimes that were committed, | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
obstruction of justice, perjury. For the intelligence committee, we want | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
to make sure of two things. Number one, that we take all measures to | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
prevent any kind of foreign interference with American elections | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
in the future, whether it is 2018 or the next essential election. And we | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
have to do that to dissuade not only the Russians but any other foreign | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
government or non-state actor who has the cyber capabilities to mess | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
with America's elections will stop we need to dissuade them from doing | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
that. Every American is owed the answer to this question, whether | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
part of what happened was an inside job, whether any American or | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
Americans, spires are coordinated or colluded with the Russians who | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
interfered with our 2016 elections. The committee will try to get to the | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
bottom of that. I am sure you have heard this from | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
Republican voters in your district, there is some sense that the | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
Democrats are out to make the Trump residency fail whatever it takes. | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
Listening to what you want to hear from Jeff Sessions, he had another | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
meeting, maybe with a Russian ambassador at the Mayflower hotel. | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
It doesn't sounds terribly nefarious. You can understand why | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
there are Trump supporters who are very critical of Democrats of the | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
moment, who think they are pushing this all Russian investigation too | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
far. I have heard that sentiment out | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
there, and I think the president has a core group of supporters, about | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
35% of the country, that have stuck by him through thick and thin and | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
will continue to do so. But these are very legitimate questions. They | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
need to be answered, regarding the Russian investigation, and whether | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
any Trump associates, spires with the Russians to fiddle with our | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
elections. Do you think Jeff Sessions colluded | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
with the Russians? The question is whether Jeff | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
Sessions was fully cooperative and honest with the Senate during the | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
confirmation process, and that is why the issue of this meeting with | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
the Russian ambassador is going to be discussed. Letters now get the | :03:15. | :03:30. | |
reaction from a Republican. You have been a long supporter of President | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
Trump, but the problem for him at the moment is this Russian | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
investigation, the Jeff Sessions healing, this is not a for the | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
administration, and they are not making it better for themselves, are | :03:43. | :03:49. | |
they? Set part of the reason why the James Comey testimony was so | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
significant, I just want to go back to Congressmen Joaquin Castro, the | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
question that should have been asked, the biggest thing that the | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
Democrats had going for them, this theory, this operating notion that | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
the presidents colluded with the Russians was completely shattered. | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
It was disproven under oath by the FBI director. Of course the clouds | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
of these investigations will hang over the administration, but as long | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
as people like Jeff Sessions testify under oath, but the problem that the | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
Democrats face is that the narrative of obstruction of justice have been | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
shattered. But the other side of this investigation is whether there | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
was obstruction of justice, and it will be the special investigator who | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
will ultimately take the decision whether that did indeed take place. | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
Confusing the whole picture now is the idea from President Trump, or | :04:46. | :04:53. | |
the suggestion that President Trump is considering firing the special | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
investigator. I do not think this is true. This rumour came from a man | :04:58. | :05:04. | |
who did not meet with the president, and simply said that he heard the | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
president might be considering firing Robert Miller. This was not | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
really confirmed by President Trump's attorney, who said he would | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
not comment on whether or not the president would do that. This is | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
spinning the wheels over nothing, and Sean Spicer made it very clear | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
that Chris Roddy, the originator of this, had nothing to do with the | :05:31. | :05:42. | |
White House. -- DUP. You should know that Chris Ruddy is not someone who | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
has just made that up, he has been on this programme before. He did not | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
meet with the president in the White House, and we heard this morning | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
that the president was not considering it, and he would not | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
consent to the firing of Robert Mueller. We just want to show our | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
audience, here are the scenes from the Senate. This is where Jeff | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
Sessions is going to come in. He is not there yet, the Senators will | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
troop into those chairs as soon as the hearing begins. I want to ask | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
about the firing of the FBI director, James,, because there is | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
something else that the senators will be asking Jeff Sessions about. | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
Particularly this idea that Jeff Sessions was asked by the president | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
to leave the room on February 14 in the Oval Office, when James, you | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
said President Trump asks him to let the Flynn investigation go. Would it | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
not have been better for the Attorney General to be in on those | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
meetings with the director of the FBI? Not necessarily, because the | :06:52. | :06:59. | |
Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, had recused himself from the | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
investigation into Russian collusion, so in that scenario, it | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
would not be. But even James, eight, although he did not cite this and | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
has written testimony, said that the president hoped the investigation | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
would end, not that he directed him, and he did say that he did not feel | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
directed by the White House. Jill, he has come to be grilled about how | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
many meetings he had with the Russian ambassador. -- Joe. He has | :07:26. | :07:33. | |
disclosed some of the meetings that he had had with the ambassador, in | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
his capacity as a campaign official. What he has not disclosed as the | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
meetings he had as a senator, and what I think James, was referring to | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
in his testimony last week, a third meeting that took place at a cell, | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
and that is something I think we need to hear today. It was a | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
reception at the Mayflower hotel attended by many other diplomats, | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
many other members of Congress and members of the Senate. What do the | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
viewers out there think that the UK ambassador is doing right now in | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
Washington, DC? His meeting members of Congress in both houses. This is | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
something that happens in the order of business for the US | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
representatives. I do not think there were any secret microchips | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
past, no secret notes passed, this is not what we are talking about. | :08:27. | :08:37. | |
That really does not call to mind the kind of secret meetings that I | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
think the media is trying to portray. There, Joe, thank you. | :08:43. | :08:53. | |
Thank you for joining us,. It is interesting, we've just heard from a | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
Republican and from a Democrat, and the audience will have to make up | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
their mind. And the prosecutors will have to get more of the details. But | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
there is such a sub opinion on this one here in the United States, with | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
Democrats thinking that something is going on, there was collusion or | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
obstruction of justice, there was perjury, and Republicans equally | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
convinced that the Democrats are just tried to make political hay out | :09:18. | :09:28. | |
of this. Does it mean that every argument in Washington, every point | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
put forward at the moment, is fiercely partisan? Yes, which is why | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
Robert Mueller is so critical of this. He will sort through all of | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
the evidence and come up with something more concrete, the special | :09:46. | :09:53. | |
crosses -- prosecutor. What is so important about these sessions? | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
Because of the questions that we discuss. Jeff Sessions has been | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
close to Donald Trump throughout the campaign, taking a key spot in the | :10:05. | :10:11. | |
Trump Administration as Attorney General. He oversees enforcement of | :10:12. | :10:19. | |
laws, and including the FBI. It is up to Jeff Sessions how forthcoming | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
he wants to be, he could claim that some of the stuff is covered by | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
executive privilege and he will not reveal details of conversations with | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
the president. But what I will really be looking for is during his | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
testimony last week, James Comey said that he was in the Oval Office | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
on February 14 with the president, and the president told everyone in | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
the room to leave and James Comey to stay there. And one of the people | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
who hung around in that room in the Chile was Jeff Sessions, and | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
according to James Comey, the president told Jeff Sessions he had | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
to go. He shrugged and left the, and NetMeeting when it was just James | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
Comey and President Trump, that is when he said that President Trump | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
told him to back off the investigation into Michael Flynn, | :11:13. | :11:14. | |
the formal national security adviser. I want to here what Jeff | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
Sessions said happened before and after that meeting, and if he | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
corroborates James, a's account, that will give a little indication | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
that maybe Donald Trump knew what he was doing was not such a good idea. | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
But a loss of this will come down to interpretation. You can see a | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
scenario where he would say, he came up to me and said don't leave me | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
alone with the president again. And James Comey said there was this | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
pause, and James Comey looked at him blankly. He might not think that he | :11:46. | :11:53. | |
reacted that way that there was a problem, and it comes down to he he | :11:54. | :12:01. | |
said. Absolutely, nobody knows what happened in that room between James | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
Comey and Donald Trump, and it will be interesting to see what Jeff | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
Sessions says today, but what he does not say will also be | :12:08. | :12:16. | |
interesting. The Justice Department said that they did provide a memo to | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
James Comey about how to interact with the president, the separation | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
of the FBI and the White House. But we may not know exactly, Jeff | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
Sessions may put this in a more friendly narrative for the president | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
today. I have one theory about this, which is that the President, you | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
will remember, has said that James Comey is a liar, effectively. If | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
during the course of these hearings, we hear Jeff Sessions corroborate | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
what James Comey has said, that would tend to give more credence and | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
credibility to the fired FBI director, and I wonder if you think | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
that the default is true and then puts Mr Trump in a slightly tricky | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
position. He would have to say that James Comey was lying about these | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
encounters when we hear Jeff Sessions saying that what he | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
reported was true. We have to remember that Jeff Sessions will be | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
under oath, so if he corroborates what James Comey has said, even the | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
details of the meeting of the circumstances... Here is Jeff | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
Sessions. I am just going to interrupt you because he has just | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
walked into the room, the man of the moment. Jeff Sessions, a long-time | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
associate of President Trump, formerly a US senator, and he got | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
close to President Trump during the campaign. I remember talking to Jeff | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
Sessions at one of the debates as he was trying to guide the presidential | :13:46. | :13:55. | |
campaign. Here is Richard Burr, the senior Republican on the Senate | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
intelligence committee. And here is Mark Warner, the Democrat with him. | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
Donald Trump will be watching this quite closely because there has been | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
speculation over the last few days that he is not particularly pleased | :14:08. | :14:17. | |
with what Jeff Sessions has said. Anyway, Jeff Sessions is under a lot | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
of pressure because he will know that the boss is tuning in. And if | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
he is nervous about his job prospects, he will try to sue the | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
right things during the course of this hearing. But as Anthony said, | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
he is under oath, and after the James Comey hearing I asked both | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
Republican and Democratic senators on Friday if they believed James, | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
you're the president, they said that only one person was under oath, | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
James Comey, and when you are under oath, you tend to tell the truth. | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
The president will be expecting Jeff Sessions to stand up for him, I | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
imagine, and to stand up for his version of events, and perhaps to | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
make it clear that he does not believe James Comey's version of | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
events. That is certainly what the president would like to hear. The | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
senators are getting ready, there is Richard Burr, the chairman of the | :15:09. | :15:17. | |
committee. We know that they are not particularly short winded. Let's | :15:18. | :15:18. | |
listen. Attorney General Sessions, we | :15:19. | :15:38. | |
appreciate your willingness to appear before the committee today. | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
We thank you for your years of dedicated service as a member of | :15:42. | :15:42. | |
this | :15:43. | :15:44. |