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Hello and welcome to 100 Days + - the British Prime Minster

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in takes her Brexit plan to Brussels, but is the EU listening?

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The German Chancellor says the focus won't be on Britain at these talks,

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but on those who are remaining in the bloc.

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So, what hope does Mrs May have of flying the UK flag,

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to get the deal she wants on the Irish border, the exit bill

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and setting out how we propose to ensure that EU citizens living in

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the UK have their rights protected in the United Kingdom.

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More high-rise buildings in England are found to have combustible

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cladding after the safety check that were ordered in the wake

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President Trump announces there are no tapes of his conversations

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He launched the speculation weeks ago but now says there are no

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recordings of his talks with James Comey.

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The battle lines are drawn over health care.

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Republican senators roll out their version of the bill.

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Democrats say it is a tax break for the rich.

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And: Seeking a job in President Trump's cabinet?

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People with small bank balances need not apply.

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And I love all people, rich and poor.

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But in those particular positions I just don't want a poor person.

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I'm Christian Fraser in London, Jon Sopel is in Washington.

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The European Commission supported Theresa May's decision

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They wanted reassurance the Prime Minister had a mandate

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for Brexit AND would be there to see it through to the end.

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So, the dinner conversation tonight might be somewhat strained.

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Over coffee, Mrs May will be explaining to the other 27 leaders

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how the UK plans to protect the rights of EU and UK citizens

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The commission has already made its counter offer, some weeks ago.

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But President of the European Council, Donald Tusk,

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stressed Brexit wasn't the only thing on the agenda -

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Somebody needs to set up permanent UK corporation in defence. It is a

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historic step because such cooperation will allow the move

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towards deeper integration in defence. Our aim is for it to be

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ambitious and inclusive. So every new countries invited to join.

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Terrorism was also high on the agenda with Angela Merkel agenda

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announcing a new forum to combat extremist activity on social media.

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We'll lets get more on today's developments from Ros Atkins,

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We heard they would do these compare and contrast ideas of citizenship,

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do we know what the differences are? It is quite hard to get much detail

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on this. All of this is being done behind closed doors and you are

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mentioning the fact that Theresa May will be doing her briefing towards

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the end of a dinner that the 28 leaders will be having. Normally

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when you have a dinner party as the meal goes on and a few glasses of

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wine are drunk everyone loosens up and chat small. That will not happen

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here. Theresa May will be laying out her ideas for EU systems in the UK

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and UK citizens in the EU. Everyone will listen, say thank you, and then

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she will have to pick up her stuff and leave the room because it is

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only once she has gone that the remaining 27 can discuss what they

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think of that and how they think about the Brexit negotiations have

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gone in their first week. And as she looks around the room she will cease

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a new faces. Notably Emmanuelle Macron but also someone else. Both

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of them are under the age of 40 and both are seen as two examples of a

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new, enthusiastic generation of European leaders who are trying to

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invigorate the EU and what it stands for. He spends a lot of the day

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getting to know people. He needs to start building relationships in the

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EU and that is because he's concerned about the border between

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the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, the North being within the

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UK and what Brexit might do to the border. He wants the border to

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remain open in terms of trade and freedom of movement. In terms of

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Emmanuel Macron, I was there when he arrived earlier, just a couple of

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hundred meters from here, and whatever you think of his politics

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he has star power and at home. He was confident, swaggered in, laughed

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with the the press, answered questions, and when he decided it

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was enough time off he went, looking incredibly at home and confident.

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You also mentioning the new defence deal. Emmanuel Macron is a big

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supporter of that just as he is a supporter of these new measures to

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take on extremism and extremist material being shared online. Thank

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you. He's Director of the research group,

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UK in a Changing Europe. He's quite an interesting figure

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because he is the first non-white premiere in Western Europe, he is

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young and he will go into this room feeling quite emboldened because

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Ireland has a big stake in what Britain is trying to do. It is

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interesting because there is the holder bite about the intra- Irish

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border bug busters curious because both sides are on the same size, no

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one wants a border, but no one can figure out legally how to not have a

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border if we decide to leave the customs union, and it is that the

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lawyers will be wrestling with to see if

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there is a way around it. We talk about what comes first, the divorce

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or the future trade deal, but you can't decide on what sort of border

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there will be all no border without talking about the future trade deal

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can you? No, but yes because our Government has excluded the

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possibility of the customs union. That is a policy decision. They have

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said we wanted leave. As long as that is the case it is a headache

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for Ireland because you need checks on the border. When it comes to

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Theresa May, I was making the point in the introduction that they wanted

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her to come back with this mandate. The one thing I picked up on Monday

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is they don't know whether she will be there at the end of the process.

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I think you can make too much of that. Personally, I always thought

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the size of the majority didn't bother at the EU in the sense that

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they will negotiate with her, they know their position and that is

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quite simple. And I don't think they will negotiate about whether she is

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there not, they will negotiate to the end. If she's replaced they will

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have to deal with that. The problem the small majority bring all in the

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House of Commons. A lot of legislation needs to be passed and

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her final deal will go there for a vote and it is there we will see the

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small majority. That is clearly the frustration for all the leaders.

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There is not only difference within the Conservative Party and the

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cavernous but also the Labour Party as well. It's not as if you have an

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opposition with one plan. They are all over the place. You are too

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young to remember the John Smith period, but you had a situation

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where Labour didn't have a position on Europe other than to oppose

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everything the Government did. I suspect that will quite quite well

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now because they cannot agree amongst themselves but might agree

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to oppose the Government. He wouldn't say I was too young! I

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wonder, Christian, of course the other EU leaders wanted Britain to

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remain. But I wonder whether there were certain transactions that will

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be taking place from now on West life has gotten a lot easier without

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those recalcitrant Brits in the room. That is possibly true. We were

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talking about the defence procurement thing that they agreed,

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and that is the sort of thing that some time ago with Britain in the

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tent they would not have got through. You can look at other

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things Emmanuel Macron has been talking about in recent days. A

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future finance minister of the European Union, the Eurozone bill,

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anti-dumping regulations, these are things Britain has stood against. He

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is saying we are in this not to punish Britain, but let's look at

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the opportunities. The irony is, you have heard from the likes of Donald

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Tasks today that he hoped Brexit is cancelled and Britain comes back,

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but some Federalists think this is the kick that they wanted and

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perhaps they can progress to a more deeply integrated EU without the

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British. For weeks the President

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has kept us waiting. Tantalising the press -

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and also the investigators - on whether he had made recordings

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of his conversations with former FBI Well, just a short time

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ago we got the answer - So why has he prevaricated for so

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long? I am about to put that question to read Wilson.

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We are joined by Reid Wilson from The Hill.

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I loved the cheek of it. He was the one who set the whole hare running

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and now it has taken him the best part of five or six weeks to deny

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it. And the question is now what was the purpose of suggesting it? One of

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his close allies, Newt Gingrich, has suggested it was to rattle dames

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Comey who testified before Congress. Is that witness intimidation,

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obstruction of justice? There is a special counsel looking into that

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and he has hired a number of very highly talented prosecutors with a

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lot of experience. It becomes increasingly clear that the

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president will have to answer questions about this, probably under

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oath, if he sticks with his claim that James Comey was lying before

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Congress. Somebody is not telling the truth. That could be a problem.

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Does this in anyway get Donald Trump off the hook? It may be in elegant

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to admit but maybe it helps him. The hook it gets him off as with the

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House of Representatives, which had regret requested any information

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about possible tapes by a deadline of tomorrow. Now he has said there

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are no tapes so he hears of that short-term hook. But this is a

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long-term investigation. Why has it taken him so long? Why didn't he say

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when it was obvious immediately that he had set something in motion? This

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is not a person who is accustomed to admitting when he is wrong or has

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said something that is untrue. Even on things that are easily

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verifiable, he has scrambled for some kind of information. And this

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notion that there were no tapes so they were trying to keep James Comey

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honest, that is some real spare! Stay with us Reid, we've got

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another story developing , after weeks working secretly behind

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closed doors, Senate Republicans have finally revealed their plan

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to replace Obamacare. They had promised a top-to-bottom

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revamp of the health bill passed by the House last month -

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but there are only The debate over the repeal bill

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is shaping up as a titanic political struggle, which will have major

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implications for both parties The Republicans can only afford

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to lose two senators in this vote. And they don't have long to sort

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out their differences. The majority leader Mitch McConnell

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wants a vote before lawmakers return Let's pick up on that and what we

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have heard. I gather already a number of the more free dumb caucus

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right-wing senators have said they are not happy. There are three very

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conservative senators in repealing the Affordable Care Act and there

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are a number of moderates with real problems because the Affordable Care

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Act steered so much money to their states, people like the Senator for

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Nevada and Ohio, a number in the rust belt region where the opioid

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crisis is killing tens of thousands of people every year, this bill

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would defund efforts to fight that. There is a very narrow window that

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the majority leader has to get through. He will not get any

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Democratic votes and somehow has to marry those moderates with the

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ultimate Conservatives. The politics don't look particularly good? When

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you look at the polling for it it's actually pretty poor around the

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country around the plan. I would suppose that senior Republicans are

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looking about polling. They certainly are. The health care

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debate has been a larger issue in several of the special elections

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here in the US over the last few weeks than even President Trump and

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his dismal approval rating. It was health care that crossed Democrats

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their majority back in 2010. They really hope it will be health care

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that costs the Republicans their majority in 2018 midterms. Great to

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have you with us, thank you so much. Well, health care along

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with the rest of President Trump's agenda has been overshadowed lately

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by the multiple investigations into alleged Russian interference

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in the presidential election. But how do the die hard

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Trump supporters feel The BBC's Rajini Vaidyanathan was in

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Cedar Rapids Iowa on Wednesday night for the president's rally -

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and no question who they blame. All everyone wants to concentrate

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on is this Russia thing. Russia does not bother me

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at all, whatsoever. I'm not really worried at all,

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to be honest with you. Politics in Washington might be

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dominated by the Russian investigation but what do Trump's

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supporters here in Iowa, a state the president won in last

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year's election, make of it all? No, why would I be

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concerned, why would I? What you mean concerned -

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concerned about what? He might be under

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investigation, because... Investigation doesn't

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mean he's guilty. This investigation has been

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going on for seven, eight months. We've got pictures

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here of various people. We don't like him -

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James Comey is a liar. Just when he speaks he is a liar,

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because he is involved Leaker, liar, I don't believe him,

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I don't believe what he is saying. It seems him and

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President Trump both have two opposite viewpoints

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about what has happened. The president has not

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been under oath yet. No, but he has also said

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he will go under oath, and I I don't trust James Comey and it's

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not because he went after Trump. I don't like what he did

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in the election, period. I don't think it was right

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that he said that Hillary was under investigation a week

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before the election. Robert Mueller -

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what you think of him? I don't know how

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tight he is yet with Comey, so I don't know whether or

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not he can be trusted or not. They say he is respected

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on both sides of the aisle. I don't like that he appointed

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Hillary Clinton's friend as special counsel

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to the investigation, but I'm not going to bash

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somebody just off of that. I think he is a little bit

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too connected and he should either resign or be

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removed from that position. Well, in my opinion, I think it

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needs to be a total outsider. # There ain't no doubt

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I love this land #. This man is taking care

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of the United States of America. Good to get out of Washington, you

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get a different view. What about that rally?

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The President was back in campaign mode last night,

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buoyed by that Republican win in Georgia this week.

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He has been cooped up for too long and this was an opportunity

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He defended his administration against the attacks from the press

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and he had this to say about the criticism of his cabinet.

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And I love all people, rich or poor. But in those particular positions I

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just don't want a poor person, does that make sense? Does that make

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sense? If you insist, I'll do it, but I like it better this way,

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right? I didn't ask, I have it in my

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contract that I shouldn't have to do present with polar presenters, I

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hope you are wealthy enough! I will have to disappoint you. I can't

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believe it. Do you see this on campaign literature? I don't want to

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work with poor people. These are all appalling. Blue-collar workers!

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That's the huge difference between a lot of British and European politics

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compared to the US, they love the fact he is a swaggering billionaire

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who seems to have appointed a bunch of other billionaires to his

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cabinet. In a way which would be just unthinkable in a lot of other

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democracies. But blue-collar Iowa were cheering him last night when he

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said I don't want poor people around me. One other thing I wanted to talk

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about, we took a lot about the Republicans and Donald Trump but

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let's talk about the Democrats, there have a lot of headlines about

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Georgia and how the Democrats got it wrong they said they begged it up

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and then lost it and that is embarrassing. But this was a

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headline in the New York Times. : they came very close in Georgia and

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in another special election seat in places that were absolutely safe

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Republican. They are not doing terribly, they are doing pretty

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well. But they are not making the breakthrough and there is a battle

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for the heart and soul of the Democratic party going on with some

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people saying we must be more like Bernie Saunders, appealing to young

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people, more radical. And there are those old-fashioned centrists who

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says we have to rent pond politics from the centre ground and otherwise

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we are destined to lose. That battle is unresolved. I want to turn to

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more serious issues. Here, the Government is trying

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to figure out how many high-rise buildings have combustible cladding,

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similar to the type used on Grenfell Tower -

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the scene of that terrible fire last Camden Council in North London has

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already started removing external cladding from some of its buildings,

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after they didn't meet its standard. At least 79 people died

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in the Grenfell tragedy - here's what Mrs May said

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about the investigation, Mr Speaker, what became clear very

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quickly is that the royal borough of Kensington and Chelsea could not

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cope and that the chief executive officer has now resigned it is also

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why I set up the Grenfell Tower recovery task force

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which I set up personally. But this is not just about the steps

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we take in the first few weeks, it is about the lasting commitment

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that we are making to support the families effected long

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after the television cameras have Christopher Miers is

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a forensic architect Good to see you. As the Prime

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Minister said, we must be careful about speculating on the cause of

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the fire because the preliminary findings are not back yet. But she

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said earlier today, and there is some confusion over figures, maybe

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as many as 600 apartment blocks are fitted with this type of cladding.

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How easy is it to get rid of? It is a very practical proposition to

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remove it. Only took about 600 blocks it is not necessarily that

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they all have the same combustibility as Grenfell. They may

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use a rain screen system and may have aluminium composite material.

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The risks will be different. It is important that each building owner

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does rapidly identify the risks. The cladding is one element but they

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need to look at overall construction. We spoke last week

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outside Grenfell Tower and you explained how this works and why it

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spread from the bottom of the tower almost to the top in the space of an

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hour. Go through that again for us. It is very concerning. When one

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looks at the photographs it is striking that the speed and the

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spread of the fire, the way it consumed the building so quickly,

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the way the external wall is made up if there is an outer panel that we

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see, that is a sound which, six millimetre composite material with

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two layers of aluminium and a core material and it is that core which

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there is discussion about right now. Is it combustible, is it

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noncombustible? Behind that there is a gap, typically about 50

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millimetres or so and that allows air to move, and if that air turns

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out to be smoke and hot flame, unless it is suitably stopped off...

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It acts like a flu. The flames accelerate behind. Our standards

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require there to be intermediate firebreaks, so the fire is stopped

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from going up behind those panels. They're behind we have insulation.

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Which presumably will form part of the investigation? The thing that

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struck me here in Washington is how little discussion there has been

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within the US about what happened in the UK. Is that simply because there

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are totally different regulations, where I don't think this material

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would be used on blocks of flats or apartments here in the US compared

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to the UK. Does it raise questions about the standards we have in

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Britain not being good enough? I think there are differences but

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equally there is shared concern as well because the system we use, we

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call it a rain screen system, is very widely used internationally and

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the US shares some concerns but not the same degree as the UK. But we

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need to look elsewhere around the world. The middle east and do by for

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example, there have been a number of tower fires, they have frequently

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been connected with aluminium composite material panels of a

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similar construction to what is said to have been installed at Grenfell.

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Thank you for joining us. The funeral has been held for the

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American student who was held in North Korea. His father said his son

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was tortured by the regime and sent home in a coma. Senator John McCain

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says North Korea is guilty of murder. Let us return to Donald

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Trump. Ok Christian, you pointed out

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a little of what Mr Trump had to say at that rally in Iowa about poor

:24:30.:24:32.

people earlier - I am a builder. And we are thinking

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of something that is unique, we are talking about the southern border.

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Lots of sun, lots of heat. We are thinking of building the wall as a

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solo wall so it creates energy. And pays for itself. Pretty good

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imagination, right? My idea. My idea! Love it. Is it his idea? Not

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strictly speaking. There were other people who submitted plans for the

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wall. But in those rallies where he said he was going to pay for it and

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the chance went up Mexico it wouldn't have had the same ring if

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it had been well, it is going to be self funding because it will have

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solar panels. What will it cost? We don't know. Those fine details... I

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do that. You're watching 100

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Days Plus from BBC News. Still to come for viewers on the BBC

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News Channel and BBC World News - two of Prime Minister May's most

:25:37.:25:40.

senior advisors are gone, how solid We'll put that to her

:25:41.:25:43.

former media chief. And with a health care battle

:25:44.:25:48.

before him, Mr Trump's thinking well beyond his first term with eyes

:25:49.:25:52.

already fixed on another run in 2020 That's still to come on

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100 Days +, from BBC News. What a difference a Day makes. In

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fact it can make a difference of more than 10 degrees in our

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temperatures. Yesterday in the grip of the heatwave we were well up into

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the 20s, even the mid-30s but look at the temperatures we have seen

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today. A westerly wind brings fresh air across the country. 35 drops to

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close to 23 in London. With that change came one or two

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thunderstorms. But this was a more typical scene. A fairly quiet day

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for many, with some extra cloud and a few glimpses of sunshine. Things

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are going to turn a bit more unsettled over the next 24 hours.

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Low pressure is approaching. Still fresh air from the Atlantic and as

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this weather front slides across Northern Ireland, Scotland into

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northern England tonight it will bring cloud, sporadic rain, for the

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south and east are largely dry night and for the rest of us a fresh

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appeal. Tomorrow morning is quite damp across Northern Ireland and

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much of Scotland, though the far east of Scotland Macy's and

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brightness. The band of rain by eight o'clock will sit across

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northern England and North Wales. The heaviest rain for hills and

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coasts. Across into East Anglia and the South East dry start but some

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spells of sunshine. Temperatures lower than they have been. As we go

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through the day tomorrow, the weather front, the band of rain will

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continue to journey slowly southwards but gets stranded across

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northern England, Wales, in two parts of the Midlands. The heaviest

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rain always for coasts and hills in the West. The North largely dre with

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some sunshine. The south largely dry and we all have a cooler, fresh

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appeal. Saturday has rain hanging around across the south-east. It

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will clear then leaves us with a blustery day, there could be gales

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across the North. Some sunny spells, some showers, just 14 degrees in

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Glasgow. Sunday, essentially more of the same. Low pressure to the

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north-east. And call north-westerly wind. A lot of dry weather and

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showers. The next few days, fresher and breezy with rain at times and

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still some sunshine as well. Welcome back to 100 Days +

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with me Jon Sopel in Washington. As the British Prime Minster

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takes her Brexit plan to Brussels, the German Chancellor says the focus

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won't be on Britain at these talks, but on those who're

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remaining in the bloc. And we speak to the former

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US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright about

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what she calls a chaotic time and the global role

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the US must to play. I think that we all are a kind of

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looking to see about the evolution of American position and I happen

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to believe the world can't exist Just how isolated is

:30:38.:30:40.

the British Prime Minister? After the Conservative disastrous

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showing in the General Election, she was forced to get rid of her

:30:55.:30:57.

two closest advisers Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill and others have

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since left, including yesterday, John Godfrey, who headed up

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the No 10 Policy Unit. Who does she need alongside

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her to steady the ship? Joey Jones was formely

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a media adviser to Mrs May And an firm. She has cut quite an

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isolated figure in recent days. Yes, she has. It must be a very lonely

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and Nvidia 's place as she finds herself in right at the moment. She

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will know that the vast swathe of the Conservative Party blames her,

:31:40.:31:41.

blames her advisers were principally blames her for the situation in

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which they find themselves. I think the key thing to remember is that

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she was crystal clear with the parliamentary party, the 1922

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committee, she said that she would serve as long as they want her to.

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And she knows that she is basically a hostage to the desires of the

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Conservative Party. At the moment, they have shown her, in no uncertain

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terms, to Harrods might have felt rather cruel to have stripped her as

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a ritual exercise in humiliation of key advisers, but to demonstrate

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that it is the party which is boss at the moment. She is there for as

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for as long as they designate her the Prime Minister because she

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doesn't really have the power to dictate terms at the moment.

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Obviously, some of it is down to not having her key people around her but

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how much of this comes down to political instinct? I was thinking

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the other day of the fairly shambolic performance over Grenfell

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in the early days. Some of that, she might just thought she wouldn't it

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be a bite of the police, go out and get in amongst it. Isn't that just

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instinct? I can't imagine what would have been going through the minds of

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anyone in Downing Street at that time. As you say, a procession of

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people have left after the election. You have to come back to the fact

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that the general election, the result would have come as a massive

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shock. I think we could see that in the statement she made at midday in

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Downing Street, the lunchtime after the election result. She and

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everybody around her looked to me as though they were floundering. They

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were shell-shocked. They were rudderless. They didn't know which

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way to turn and I think, to be honest my this is a band with them,

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they couldn't process it? Its shock. Not bandwidth, in terms of having

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the amount of people to do with it, but they were blindsided. If you

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imagine 24 hours before, the scale of the ambition and the scale of the

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expectation as to what they were heading into, which was a complete

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political dominance, complete dominance over the UK political

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scene, crushing the catlike Labour Party, Lib Dems, forget about them,

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and also a renaissance for the reserves a party in Scotland as well

:33:57.:33:59.

and then they suddenly see the exit polls. That is hard to deal with.

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What we saw over that period, I would tend to come back to, was it

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will shock and probably a individual or Prime Minister but an

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organisation around her that was just struggling to deal with the

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magnitude of what had just happened to them. Jerry, good to see you.

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Haven't seen you for ages. I wanted to ask you, do you think that the

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Conservative Party could have agreed easily on a successor whether

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Theresa May would still be there? No, she wouldn't be there on that

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basis. I think the reality is that they look at situation which is

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unappetising and it is certainly very unappetising from her point of

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view because she is, as I say, hostage to the desires of the

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Conservative Party at the moment. They don't seem to be reworked, to

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be able to work what the best way forward is. If you speak to any

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Conservative MP, on whatever wing of the party, the one thing they are

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afraid of is a general election. The one thing they are afraid of is that

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whoever you install, they won't have that legitimacy, they what have that

:35:06.:35:08.

mandate and then you will head down the track to another general

:35:09.:35:11.

election and they do really think that if you head into a general

:35:12.:35:16.

election, all bets are off. The momentum is with Labour, it is with

:35:17.:35:19.

Jeremy Corbyn and from their point of view, that is a terrifying

:35:20.:35:23.

prospect. Much better to have an attempt to steady the ship which is

:35:24.:35:27.

what they are doing at the moment, roll on a bit and try to take stock

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down the track. I must ask you before you go, the general drums are

:35:33.:35:36.

sounding. You are being bandied around as the next communications

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director. Have you been approached? Absolutely not. So, I was actually a

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civil servant when I was working with Theresa May and I think that's

:35:45.:35:49.

the reality of the situation is they will look to somebody who has the

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same sense of duty to the party that she has two the Conservative Party

:35:55.:36:02.

and to the country generally because it's back to the wall is time for

:36:03.:36:05.

the Tories at the moment. They will need somebody who is willing to go

:36:06.:36:08.

in there and to suck up a very, very difficult situation and I have at

:36:09.:36:11.

the foggiest who that might be, frankly. That's good for us, you can

:36:12.:36:15.

come back and talk to us. Good to see you, Baxter coming in.

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The other thing that was striking was this idea that she is a

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figurehead now. What he is almost constitutionally defining is the

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role of the Queen. It's like Theresa May has no real power any more. Her

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Cabinet ministers are the ones who will tell her what to do and she is

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just there to be the front person, for Prime Minister's Questions and

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going to EU councils in Brussels. But as he said, if you look at the

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journey in front of her, if she gets past the Queen's speech next week

:36:47.:36:49.

which I think she probably will, then there is the repeal bill to

:36:50.:36:53.

bring EU legislation onto the statute books which needs to get

:36:54.:36:56.

through, seven other Brexit bills, who would want to take over when

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there is that a go at? It is a sobering thing that they are looking

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and then also Beijing, Philip Hammond is the Chancellor, his stock

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prices up and if he comes and he will have a softer Brexit than we

:37:10.:37:12.

are looking so maybe we are better ways to reason they're in the hot

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seat. Ie Think the only danger is probably, if she gets stuck on one

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of these votes, the catlike remainders might come back in and

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say we need one of our people in the hot seat. One thing I can't work out

:37:25.:37:28.

is I thought they were trying to take Brexit out of Parliament. I

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thought they would just have this one repeal Bill and then at the end

:37:32.:37:38.

of the day, you have to have it rubber-stamped. There are now seven

:37:39.:37:42.

pills about immigration, one about immigration. Who the hell knows what

:37:43.:37:45.

they are going to do about it? Is Theresa May the person who can take

:37:46.:37:50.

that forward? And immigration Bill that attracts the best and brightest

:37:51.:37:54.

but also continues to define immigration along the tens of

:37:55.:37:57.

thousands that has been her mantra? Idol thing on policy terms that

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looks viable. There are some weeks where there is just too much

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political news and it takes too long to digester and analyse it all

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because... Anyway... Moving from politics at home

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to foreign policy abroad. Today, former Secretary

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of State Madeleine Albright was at an event here in Washington

:38:15.:38:16.

speaking about the need for bipartisanship when it came

:38:17.:38:19.

to national security. That's a word you don't

:38:20.:38:21.

hear often in US politics lately but she sat down with the BBC

:38:22.:38:23.

and offered this assessment of the Trump administration

:38:24.:38:26.

thus far. I think we are in a very chaotic

:38:27.:38:28.

time and that would have been true no matter what because there

:38:29.:38:31.

are questions about the world order and I think that as this

:38:32.:38:35.

administration gets organised, there have been some mixed

:38:36.:38:40.

signals but what I find interesting is the way that policy

:38:41.:38:43.

is evolving and some of the people that are part of the decision-making

:38:44.:38:48.

mechanisms, the members of the National Security Council,

:38:49.:38:52.

are giving some very strong messages about the fact that

:38:53.:38:56.

the US is present. That we are going to be active,

:38:57.:39:00.

and so it is my hope that frankly, there will be more

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of a confluence of some of the statements and I think

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that the conferences that I have been to,

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people are satisfied with the words, but they want to see the actions,

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and I think that we all are kind of looking to

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see about the evolution of American position and I happen

:39:19.:39:20.

to believe the world can't exist Returning now the health care battle

:39:21.:39:23.

under way in Washington. Republicans have introduced

:39:24.:39:36.

their bill and now both sides Members of President Trump's party

:39:37.:39:39.

argue that Obamacare is broken Democrats say this will strip away

:39:40.:39:42.

benefits and protections is Democratic Senator Bob Casey

:39:43.:39:46.

from Pennsylvania. Senator, so grateful to you. Thank

:39:47.:40:02.

you for joining us. There was the Donald Trump quote were apparently

:40:03.:40:05.

he said two Republican senators, the problem with the bill that went

:40:06.:40:08.

through the house was that it was mean and cold-hearted. Is this

:40:09.:40:11.

generous and warm-hearted, what you now have in the Senate? I think this

:40:12.:40:18.

bill in some ways is worse, but in Norway is it better. When you

:40:19.:40:23.

juxtapose what this bill does with regard to cutting Medicaid, the

:40:24.:40:27.

problem that takes care her children from urban and rural areas, people

:40:28.:40:32.

with disabilities, older citizens, when you juxtapose the cuts to

:40:33.:40:35.

Medicaid tax giveaways to the super-rich, there are a lot of words

:40:36.:40:39.

to describe it but one word is obscene. It is really outrageous

:40:40.:40:43.

what they are doing. Go to page 53 and page 86 of the bill, the two

:40:44.:40:49.

Medicaid, basic Medicaid provisions. One is to put a per capita cap on

:40:50.:40:55.

Medicaid and one is to allow the states to block around it. Bad

:40:56.:40:59.

ideas, both will be to devastation for people who happen to be real

:41:00.:41:04.

income, people that have a devastation, children with

:41:05.:41:06.

disabilities and of course older citizens trying to get into a

:41:07.:41:09.

nursing home. It is a bad bill for a lot of reasons but the Medicaid

:41:10.:41:13.

parts are among the most egregious. Do you think you will be able to

:41:14.:41:18.

stop it? I still think we have a chance to stop it and that is what

:41:19.:41:23.

we should do. Use every minute, every hour for the next six days or

:41:24.:41:28.

so, six or seven days. One week from now, we could be voting on this bill

:41:29.:41:31.

and I think it is just beginning to dawn on people across the country

:41:32.:41:35.

how badly built this is, but we have time and there are a lot of people

:41:36.:41:40.

that are speaking out in their communities. They are not just

:41:41.:41:43.

coming to Washington, they are contacting their senators. This will

:41:44.:41:47.

come down to one or two or three United States senators. That is the

:41:48.:41:52.

whole ball game here and we have, I hope, to persuade three Republican

:41:53.:41:55.

United States senators to do the right thing. The interesting thing

:41:56.:42:01.

that you say is that we have had former Republican senator is kind of

:42:02.:42:05.

from the right of the party saying that it doesn't dismantle Obama care

:42:06.:42:09.

enough and then you hear voices as well from the kind of moderate wing

:42:10.:42:15.

of the Republican party, Senator Collins in Maine and others in the

:42:16.:42:19.

van as saying actually, maybe it goes too far. What do you think is

:42:20.:42:22.

going to happen in the intervening week if it does come to a vote next

:42:23.:42:27.

week? I am not sure what will happen, but as long as we get 30

:42:28.:42:31.

votes to stop this bill, I will be very satisfied. There are some who

:42:32.:42:36.

don't think it goes far enough but I don't know how you reach the

:42:37.:42:38.

conclusion because what this bill does to medicate has never happened.

:42:39.:42:43.

It is a 50-year-old programme, a good programme. Children get very

:42:44.:42:46.

good health care in Medicaid. People admit disabilities you could never

:42:47.:42:51.

pay for even a fraction of what it costs to provide the therapies and

:42:52.:42:54.

treatments and services for people with disabilities, they get help and

:42:55.:42:57.

we should preserve that programme. If Republicans want to sit down and

:42:58.:43:04.

talk about fixing parts of the system that aren't working, we have

:43:05.:43:07.

a lot to talk about, but we are not going to be part of an effort to be

:43:08.:43:10.

peeled Medicaid in essence, repealing the bill and devastating

:43:11.:43:15.

Medicaid for kids, people with disabilities and seniors. Senator

:43:16.:43:19.

Casey, so grateful to you for giving us your time. Thank you for being

:43:20.:43:27.

with us here on the BBC. I feel bereft of elections, we have had one

:43:28.:43:28.

for a few weeks. Trump 2020 - does it

:43:29.:43:29.

have a ring to it? Barely into his first year

:43:30.:43:31.

as American president, for a second term

:43:32.:43:33.

in the White House. His campaign director says

:43:34.:43:36.

the president's first fundraising event will be held at the Trump

:43:37.:43:38.

hotel in Washington next Wednesday. Come on, let's guess where it was be

:43:39.:43:46.

held! You give it away too easily! With bated breath, wondering where

:43:47.:43:50.

it could possibly be Hal (!) anyway, this is 100 days plus for this week.

:43:51.:43:53.

You can get in touch with us using the hashtag

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For now, from Jon Sopel in Washington

:43:56.:43:58.

and me Christian Fraser in London - goodbye.

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