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Growth is up, the deficit is down. Will there be jam today in the | :00:08. | :00:16. | |
Autumn Statement, or just another promise of jam tomorrow? | :00:17. | :00:43. | |
Will there be jam today in the Autumn Statement, or just | :00:44. | :01:02. | |
Will there be jam today in the tell on economic growth. He had | :01:03. | :01:11. | |
Will there be jam today in the over an hour he will be able to say | :01:12. | :01:11. | |
that growth is twice what it was stronger next year and he has | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
managed to reduce borrowing by more than was | :01:17. | :01:24. | |
are told, without fanfare and with Labour's charge ringing in his ears | :01:25. | :01:24. | |
that people Labour's charge ringing in his ears | :01:25. | :01:35. | |
Chancellor left the Treasury a couple of... Is there | :01:36. | :01:44. | |
Chancellor left the Treasury a from the BBC as the Chancellor gets | :01:45. | :01:44. | |
Chancellor left the Treasury a into his car with the Chief | :01:45. | :01:54. | |
Chancellor left the Treasury a across Parliament Square and into | :01:55. | :01:54. | |
new Palace across Parliament Square and into | :01:55. | :02:03. | |
of the speech and Labour's response the moment the | :02:04. | :02:13. | |
of the speech and Labour's response are here until two copy with expert | :02:14. | :02:13. | |
analysis and reaction are here until two copy with expert | :02:14. | :02:21. | |
politicians of all stripes to find out what they | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
politicians of all stripes to find assessing the effect it has on the | :02:28. | :02:27. | |
political landscape. I assessing the effect it has on the | :02:28. | :02:37. | |
and speaking to local businesses. What | :02:38. | :02:48. | |
and speaking to local businesses. answering e-mails, tweets and texts. | :02:49. | :02:48. | |
All answering e-mails, tweets and texts. | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
finest public service broadcasting, of | :02:56. | :03:06. | |
finest public service broadcasting, duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's | :03:07. | :03:06. | |
political duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's | :03:07. | :03:17. | |
tired because I have a duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's | :03:18. | :03:26. | |
what Ed Miliband had duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's | :03:27. | :03:48. | |
are battling with stagnant wages and duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
far better than this government. -- duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's | :03:55. | :04:03. | |
in the Autumn Statement. Let's get a duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's | :04:04. | :04:11. | |
Back at the budget in March, duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's | :04:12. | :04:25. | |
the amount the government would be borrowing | :04:26. | :04:25. | |
the amount the government would be to get the economy growing or reduce | :04:26. | :04:25. | |
the deficit. As to get the economy growing or reduce | :04:26. | :04:35. | |
her acolytes are wondering if a more Thatcherite policy might do | :04:36. | :04:50. | |
her acolytes are wondering if a more a drubbing at the local elections | :04:51. | :04:50. | |
her acolytes are wondering if a more May. A royal baby and | :04:51. | :04:59. | |
her acolytes are wondering if a more in Brighton, Labour were looking for | :05:00. | :04:59. | |
a new line of in Brighton, Labour were looking for | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
price freeze to tackle what Labour were now calling the | :05:06. | :05:16. | |
price freeze to tackle what Labour he would help with free school meals | :05:17. | :05:16. | |
for younger children he would help with free school meals | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
conference he would scrap increases in fuel duty, and | :05:23. | :05:34. | |
2015. Talk of austerity had given way to spending and | :05:35. | :05:42. | |
2015. Talk of austerity had given proposed a windfall tax on energy | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
companies. proposed a windfall tax on energy | :05:49. | :05:48. | |
taxes. With the results of that review announced | :05:49. | :05:57. | |
taxes. With the results of that improving economy today? | :05:58. | :05:57. | |
On the one improving economy today? | :05:58. | :06:05. | |
better, the deficit is back to tumbling again. | :06:06. | :06:15. | |
better, the deficit is back to you. That is exactly right. | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
better, the deficit is back to up and say, things are | :06:20. | :06:43. | |
better, the deficit is back to were told, | :06:44. | :07:12. | |
better, the deficit is back to think, this is a long-term plan that | :07:13. | :07:32. | |
better, the deficit is back to critique that we are poorer than we | :07:33. | :07:32. | |
were There is going to be a bit of better | :07:33. | :08:10. | |
news. A unique experience for this Chancellor. If we go back to his | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
first budget after the election in 2010, he was forecasting that his | :08:17. | :08:23. | |
austerity would lead to a deficit, a gap between the tax revenues and | :08:24. | :08:31. | |
what he was spending of ?60 billion in the current financial year. It | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
hasn't quite worked out like that. We roll forward to the budget of | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
this year, and then he predicted, forecast, that that deficit for this | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
year would be twice what he originally hoped. We are in the | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
middle of a bit of an economic recovery which has been going on for | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
six to nine months. It is a housing market led recovery and a bit more | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
consumer spending. VAT is up, stamp duty is up. The respected IFS now | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
thinks that the deficit might actually be a little bit lower than | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
he expected in March, at about ?113 billion. Does that mean if he wanted | :09:16. | :09:24. | |
to come he would have a bit more money for some giveaways. It is | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
still an awful lot of money, not far off 7% of GDP and most economists | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
would say it is not sustainable. He will not want to take risks in this | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
budget, it will be steady as she goes. One of the things that will | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
reinforce his determination not to do anything that looks like a | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
giveaway is because his ambition to balance the books by the end of his | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
Parliament. Maybe he is on course to do that. Let's look at what he said | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
in March would be happening to rowing. He said that over a period | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
of four years, it would be down to ?43 billion, which is still a lot of | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
money to be borrowing. And the key point about that is that every year | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
you borrow that sum of money, it adds to record levels of national | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
debt. That is another reason why he can't afford to take big risks. So | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
where is the national debt at the moment? It is well over ?1 trillion. | :10:26. | :10:32. | |
Over his forecasting time horizon, he expects it to rise to over ?1.6 | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
trillion. Which is on his calculations, 85% of GDP. Very high | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
by historical standards. Gordon Brown, a Labour Chancellor, took | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
pride in reducing that ratio to below 40%. In labour's first-term. | :10:51. | :10:58. | |
On the EU's measure of these things, we are going to be over 100% | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
debt to GDP ratio. The public finances, for all the better news, | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
still don't look all that healthy. Is it really true that it is part of | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
the Tory calculation that we don't want to big up things too much. I | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
saw a quote from a Tory aide, because people may think they can | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
take a risk with Labour. There has always been a worry that the | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
public's attitude to Tory governments is, call them in when | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
things are bad and when the smell has gone away, you can go back to | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
Labour. That is the Tory view of what many in the electorate think. | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
They want to say that the problem is still there. Making progress, so | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
cheer up, but the problem is not over, you have got to stick with | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
them. That will be the message. George Osborne has been criticised | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
by Labour, but by some of his own team for looking a bit smug when the | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
economy started to grow. Saying, look at me, haven't I proved you | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
wrong? He will be desperately tempted to say to Ed Balls, you said | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
it was going to be a triple dip. But he needs to say, we asked a halfway | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
through a plan. Keep us in the job. George Osborne, smug? Who would have | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
thought it. Or Ed Balls for that matter! | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
Throughout today's programme we will be getting reaction from people in | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
Greater Manchester, Susannah Streeter is there for us. I am in a | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
real temple of retail at the Trafford Centre in Greater | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
Manchester. It is a key time for small businesses in the run-up to | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
Christmas. Their success will depend on how confident consumers and | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
shoppers feel. We have heard that growth has returned to the UK | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
economy with a vengeance since March, but is that translating | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
through to a feel-good factor for small businesses? What help do they | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
need from the Chancellor? Liz Harris is from the Federation of small. You | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
have been canvassing around your local area -- Federation of small | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
businesses. What reaction are you getting? Surprisingly positive. The | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
fact that people are spending the money is reflected in sales on the | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
street. There are shops on the Main Street that are paying nearly as | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
much in business rates as in rent, and it makes little difference what | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
money they are taking in. The key is reimbursement so that exports can | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
grow, are you seeing evidence of that -- reinvestment. I am seeing | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
evidence that it is getting better but until we are seeing some of the | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
things we are hoping to get, I don't think we will have the confidence to | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
invest. But if we do get them, small businesses are in a good position. | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
Lots more reaction bit later to the statement. Small businesses looking | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
for help, but consumers also looking for help with those sky-high energy | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
bills. Richard Lloyd is from the campaigning group, which. The | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
Chancellor is going to announce something about the green levies on | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
energy bills. What is expected and how far do you think you should go? | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
It is looking like about ?50 a year of the average bill, that is ?1400 | :14:18. | :14:24. | |
for most people right now. It is a step in the right direction, a bit | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
of help for people to buying a home, who commit to making it more energy | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
efficient. But this is a small amount of money to people who are | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
really struggling with the cost of living right now. Four in ten people | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
tell us that they are feeling the squeeze. Fewer people than last year | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
are gloomy about the economy and the prospects, but the big number the | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
Chancellor has do address is that only one in six are saying they are | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
not feeling in their pockets, in their household budgets, benefits of | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
economic recovery. Much more from you and your view on what the | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
Chancellor has come a bit later on in the programme. There is lots of | :15:05. | :15:12. | |
long-term planning that has do go on and there is likely to be some talk | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
about raising the retirement age to 68, sooner than we first thought. | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
Paul Lewis, you thought this was going to be coming along but it will | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
have a real effect on long-term financial planning. Yes, especially | :15:25. | :15:34. | |
younger people. If you are in your 40s, it is going to be 68. In your | :15:35. | :15:40. | |
30s, 69. If you are in your 20s, it could be 70 before you get your | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
state pension. You have got to plan to make sure you are saving enough, | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
you will have longer to save, but what job could you do at that age? | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
Lots of people tweeting about that this morning. Perhaps we should | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
start saving more now, but with interest rates as they are, it is | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
not a viable option for many people. No, people are starting to | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
spend their savings in places like this, as we have seen today, so it | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
is going to be difficult for people to save up. We are also getting | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
reaction to the announcement about car tax, vehicle excise duty, the | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
piece of paper that sticks on your windscreen. That will disappear from | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
next year, it will all be done electronically, and that is how | :16:21. | :16:22. | |
police will check whether your car is taxed or not. You will be able to | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
pay by direct debit, which will spread the cost out, although | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
eventually they will have to raise it because the amount that people | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
pay is coming down as vehicles get more efficient. You are going to be | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
taking viewers' questions all day, how should they get in touch? They | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
can get in touch on the website, they can tax, 61124, and they can | :16:46. | :16:56. | |
tweet us. Thank you very much, Paul Lewis, we will hear a lot more from | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
Paul later, and we will be gauging reaction from all the shoppers here | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
and more local businesses to the statement. Back to you. | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
Thanks, Susannah. You can get the latest on the statement on the BBC | :17:10. | :17:17. | |
website, you can visit the live page on the Autumn Statement. You will | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
find in-depth coverage, you can discover what the measures mean for | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
you. As well as sending your comments and questions via the | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
website, you cannot so take part in the conversation, follow the debate | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
on Twitter, all of our correspondents and experts will be | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
using one of the hashtags on your screen, #AS2013. | :17:37. | :17:44. | |
It is time to find out what the City was expecting from the Chancellor | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
today, and David Jones is at IG Index. What you want the Chancellor | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
to say? I think Robert Peston summed it up fairly well when he said we | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
are expecting steady as we go in the Autumn Statement. I cannot see that | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
he will want to do anything that rocks the boat. We have all been | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
surprised, both in the City and government, about the economic | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
performance of the UK over the last six months. I do not think Mr | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
Osborne can afford to be too smug, because we know how quickly things | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
can change, so we are expecting no major surprises. It is interesting, | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
what he may do with corporation tax, to try to encourage investment in | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
the UK. I think that will be well received, to try to stimulate the | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
economy a little bit further. We heard yesterday that Goldman Sachs | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
has said it would move much of its European business and the workforce | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
from London to Paris or Frankfurt if Britain leaves the EU. Was that a | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
bombshell in the City? I think it was a surprise, but at the moment | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
not many people are giving too much credence to that. We have heard over | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
the years how banks would move away from London if the taxation system | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
changed, for example. We have not necessarily seen an exodus there. I | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
think people are not too worried. If more banks were saying the same | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
things, other employers, maybe. Glass half full, glass half empty as | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
far as you are concerned? Cautiously glass half full, but we know how | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
quickly it can get spilt! Vice if you have just joined us, you are | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
watching special coverage of the Autumn Statement at Westminster. | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
I think we have got a helicopter shot coming up, there it is, | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
beautiful, you know it is important when we have a helicopter up in the | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
sky, something big is happening, the wonderful new skyline of London, it | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
has been transformed over the last 20 years, all these new buildings, | :19:44. | :19:51. | |
the She's Greater, the gherkin, that is the heart of the City that we are | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
over. Let's go from that part of the city to Westminster, let's join | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
Matthew Amroliwala, who is outside the House of Commons. | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
Good morning. Labour has called it a cost of living crisis, it is a | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
potent political message, and one that the Government has acknowledged | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
with its efforts to bear down on energy bills, but how much are we | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
really feeling the pinch? We asked Paul Johnson of the Institute for | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
Fiscal Studies do investigate for us. | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
It is easy to forget how big an economic earthquake we have lived | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
through. National income fell by more and stayed lower for longer | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
than in the recessions of 1980s or 1990s, and even compared with the | :20:36. | :20:42. | |
recession of the 1930s. The result is that once you take inflation into | :20:43. | :20:45. | |
account, it looks like household income is that once you take | :20:46. | :20:47. | |
inflation into account, it looks like household incomes now will by | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
about 5% less than back in Christmas 2007 before the financial crisis | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
hit. And because incomes actually grew rather slowly in the years | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
before the recession, we are in the unprecedented position of having no | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
more buying power now than we did around the turn-of-the-century, | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
nearly a decade and a half with no income growth for many people. The | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
pain has been quite evenly spread across the income scale, though. | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
Whether you prefer to shop at high end luxury stores like this... Or | :21:15. | :21:21. | |
instead preferred the other end of the high street, where you can get | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
good offers at knock-down prices. Why is that? Well, the labour market | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
has been remarkably resilient. There are more people in jobs now than in | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
2007, and unemployment, while high, has risen much less than in the less | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
deep recessions of the early 1980s and early 1990s. For many of those | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
who are dependent on benefits, the Government squeeze on welfare | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
payments is only just beginning to bite. But most of us have taken a | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
hit to our incomes. Back in Christmas 2007, average earnings | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
were ?393 per week. Now they are about ?450 per week. The trouble is | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
that, after inflation, that is worth about 8% less than back in 2007. And | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
inflation means that the things that we buy have got more expensive since | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
Christmas 2007 by about 20%. Within that, energy prices have risen by as | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
much as 60%, and food prices by about 30%. Not everyone is worse | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
off, though. Historically low interest rates have kept housing | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
costs down for homeowners, and older people are generally done much | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
better than younger people. But overall our incomes have gone down, | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
and the cost of the basics have gone up. That means there is less left. | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
Though. -- less left for Santa. | :22:39. | :22:51. | |
Let's get political thoughts from Kwasi Kwarteng, Cathy Jamieson and | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
Simon Hughes. Thank you for your time, Labour has set the political | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
agenda throughout the course of the summer on energy bills, the cost of | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
living. Is today an opportunity to wrestle it back, do you think? | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
Absolutely, there has been a lot of media interest in the cost of living | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
issue. Ed Miliband gave a good speech with his price, , freezing | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
energy prices, and today is a time for the government to wrest back the | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
agenda. The economy is growing, against what the doom mongers said, | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
it has found a reasonable amount of growth that we have been looking | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
for. Nick Clegg was saying the economy is growing but people do not | :23:33. | :23:40. | |
actually feel it, so many people do act knowledge there is that | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
disconnect there, that perhaps you are out of touch. No, I absolutely | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
agree that people in my constituency and up and down the country are | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
feeling more squeezed than they have done for a while, and it will take | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
time before people realise that the economy is actually growing, | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
contrary to what the Labour Party was saying. When will they feel it, | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
though? I think the treasury experts are saying this summer, people will | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
feel that the economy is on the mend, that it is picking up and that | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
we are going to slightly more prosperous times. You talked about | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
Ed Miliband and described it as a con, your solution, ?50 off, that | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
leaves the energy, and with their profits and touched. The taxpayer is | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
taking the hit, people will be rather angry at that. What is taking | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
the hit is government spending, but why it is a con is because what | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
happens after you have frozen prices is that they tend to go up | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
massively. This happened in the 1960s and 70s, they had a freeze, | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
prices went up... You have not touched profits. We have not touched | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
profits yet. Cathy Jamieson, in terms of the general economy, | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
unemployment is down, inflation down, growth up, George Osborne has | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
got this right, despite, or four years, you saying this would not | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
work. What we have added three wasted years, and I am glad there | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
has been some acknowledgement from the Conservatives this morning that | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
Ed Miliband was right on the cost of living, because ordinary families | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
are feeling the pressure, and we are estimating that for an ordinary | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
working household it is about ?1600 per year. Any improvement in the | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
economy is to be welcomed, but this is not affecting ordinary people. It | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
has been a recovery for the people at the top. There may be a lag in | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
terms of the national indicators, as we were saying, but the prediction | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
is we will have the strongest growth in the G7 in 2014. The Government | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
could do more. We saw in that package, the energy price rise, they | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
could do more on that. They cannot say it is a con... Free school meals | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
at primary school, potentially a freeze on fuel duty still, is that | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
not enough? You would welcome those things, I assume. I would want to | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
see more done on energy prices, because that is where people are | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
concerned. Although the Government are offering some money off, it is | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
not as much as it could be. Are you still stuck on spending more and | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
cutting lest you might it is not a question of spending more and | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
getting less. The issue is, how will this affect ordinary people? The | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
recovery is not helping ordinary families, it is for those at the top | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
at this point in time. Simon Hughes, on that point, if there is sustained | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
recovery, is it a fair recovery? Well, it needs to be a fair | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
recovery. But is it? The Government policy is that it should be, and the | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
key issue for us, a Liberal Democrat proposition, is that you take people | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
on low and middle incomes out of tax as far as possible, and we are on | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
target for that, the first ?10,000... People do not talk about | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
tax thresholds, they talk about wages, they talk about whether they | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
have more money... They have ?700 less to pay to the Chancellor every | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
year in tax. They talk about the fact that they do not have to pay | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
tax at all, some of them, because their income means they are below | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
the tax threshold, and we want to put that higher. But yes, there are | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
things we need to do, council tax frozen, help with childcare costs, | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
free school meals. All things, we are conscious, that help the budgets | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
of ordinary people. A final being on austerity, we have had that | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
announcement that we're going to get spending cuts in Whitehall, another | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
?1 billion on top of everything else for the next three years. When is | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
austerity going to come to an end? You told us back in 2010 that it | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
would be 2015, but it is looking more like 2020 now. All the external | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
commentators who know about these things say that our economy is going | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
on the right direction, we have grown in the economy, growing jobs, | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
people in work, growing companies... And austerity ends | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
when? We cannot predict that, but in the next Parliament, and before the | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
next Parliament, we will see that growth has come because of the | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
policies of the Government, difficult though they have been. Of | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
course, there are more cuts coming after the election as well. Thank | :28:07. | :28:09. | |
you very much for your time and thoughts, plenty more political | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
reaction from here in a little while, now it is back to you in the | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
studio, Andrew. Thanks, Matthew, it is just coming | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
up to 11:15am, you are watching a special Daily Politics programme on | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
the Autumn Statement. Let's get full use of the helicopter, it is | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
circling around the face of Big Ben, a rather nice day, autumnal, a | :28:30. | :28:36. | |
winter's day, and we welcome viewers from the BBC News Channel who are | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
joining BBC Two for this Daily Politics special coverage of the | :28:43. | :28:44. | |
Autumn Statement. Now, the Chancellor will get to speak in a | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
few minutes to deliver this Autumn Statement, we will be crossing live | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
as soon as he does. But first, some of the measures that we expect him | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
to announce. It has been one of the most leaked Autumn Statements in | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
living memory, and that is saying something! We know the green levies | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
will be cut from energy bills, he got that out because he wants the | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
concentration today to be on the economy, not energy bills. We know | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
from Nick Clegg at the Liberal Democrat conference that infants | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
School meals are going to be free, and we know from the Tory conference | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
that there is going to be a married couples tax allowance. They and we | :29:21. | :29:23. | |
have already been told that fuel duty is to be frozen again, likely | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
to be frozen for the rest of this Parliament. We know that small | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
businesses are going to get their rate relief extended, and we know | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
that he is going to cap business rates at 2%, and that national | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
insurance Contributions Bill those aged under 21 are going to be | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
scrapped. The other thing that would be scrapped as the car tax disc, | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
that little piece of paper on the windscreen. Sadly, the tax itself is | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
not going to be scrapped! The pension age rise, which will hit | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
Nick Clegg above all, is going to be brought forward. It was always going | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
to rise, but they are now going to speed up the process by which it | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
goes beyond 65, 268, 270. No doubt by the time of the election you will | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
be 93 before you are allowed to retire! There will be another ?1 | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
billion on spending cuts in central government, no doubt to pay for the | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
extra spending that he's getting elsewhere. Let's find out what he is | :30:25. | :30:33. | |
saying, we can go straight to the House of Commons. | :30:34. | :30:41. | |
Britain's economic plan is working. But the job... The job is not done. | :30:42. | :30:53. | |
We need to secure the economy for the long-term. And the biggest risk | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
to that comes from those who would abandon the plan. We seek a | :31:00. | :31:08. | |
responsible recovery. One where we don't squander the gains we have | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
made but go on taking the difficult decisions. One where we don't repeat | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
the mistakes of the past, but this time spot the debt bubbles before | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
they threaten financial stability. A responsible recovery where we don't | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
pretend we can make this nation better off by writing checks to | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
ourselves, and instead make the hard choices. We need a Government that | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
lives within its means, in a country that pays its way in the world. | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
Three and a half years ago I set out our long-term economic plan in the | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
emergency budget. That plan restored stability in a fiscal crisis. But it | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
was also designed to address the deep-seated problems of | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
unsustainable spending, uncompetitive taxes and unreformed | :31:57. | :32:03. | |
services for which there are no quick fixes. Over the last three | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
years we have stuck to our guns, worked through the plan. We have | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
done so in the face of a sovereign debt crisis abroad. And at home, in | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
the face of opposition from those who got Britain into this mess in | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
the first place, and have resisted every cut, every reform and every | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
effort to get us out of that mess. We have held an nerve while those | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
who predicted that there would be no growth until we turn the spending | :32:31. | :32:36. | |
taps back on have been proved, pensively wrong. -- comprehensively | :32:37. | :32:44. | |
wrong. Thanks to the sacrifice and the endeavour of the British people | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
I can today report the hard evidence that shows our economic plan is | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
working. I can also report the hard truth that the job is not yet done. | :32:54. | :33:00. | |
Yes, the deficit is down but it is still far too high. And today we | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
take more typical decisions. Yes, the forecast show that growth is up | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
but the same forecasts show growth in productivity is still too low, | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
and today we set out further economic reforms. Yes, jobs are up | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
and unemployment is down but too many of our young people lack the | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
skills to fill those jobs and the opportunities to acquire them. Now | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
we take bold steps to remove the cap on aspiration. Yes, businesses are | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
expanding at business taxes are still too high and exports are too | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
low, and we must address that. And yes, real household disposable | :33:40. | :33:47. | |
income is rising at the effects of the financial crash on family | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
budgets and the cost of living are still being felt. Where we can | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
afford to help hard-working families, we will continue to do so. | :33:55. | :34:01. | |
Order, I apologise. Please calm yourself, man. You're bellicose | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
barracking is detectable several miles. | :34:07. | :34:13. | |
Thank you. The hard work of the British people is paying off and we | :34:14. | :34:20. | |
will not squander their efforts. We will secure the economy for the | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
long-term, and this statement sets out how. Let me turn to the report | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
from the Office for Budget Responsibility. Again, I thank | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
Robert Choate and his team for their rigorous and independent work. The | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
OBR report notes that the Office for National Statistics have reassessed | :34:40. | :34:42. | |
the depths of the great recession. A fall in GDP from peak to trough | :34:43. | :34:52. | |
20,008, and 2009 -- between 2008, and 2009, was a staggering 7.2%. | :34:53. | :35:02. | |
?112 billion was wiped off our economy, around ?3000 for every | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
household in this country, and it was one of the sharpest falls in the | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
national income of any economy in the world. It is a reminder of the | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
economic calamity that befell Britain. The simple fact that our | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
country remains poorer as a result of it and that a lot of work still | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
remains to be done to put that right. The data revisions also show | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
something else. There was no double-dip recession. Let me turn to | :35:32. | :35:44. | |
the future. At the time of the Budget in March, the OBR forecast | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
that growth would be 0.6%. Today they have more than double that | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
forecast, and the estimate for growth will be 1.4%. Next year, | :35:55. | :36:01. | |
instead of growth of 1.8%, they are now forecasting 2.4%. With faster | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
growth now, it means they have revised the following four years. | :36:08. | :36:18. | |
Growth over the forecast period is significantly up. It is still not as | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
strong as we would like it to be, but this is the largest improvement | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
to current year economic forecast that any -- than any Budget Autumn | :36:26. | :36:38. | |
Statement for 14 years. -- Budget or Autumn Statement. I can also report | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
that Britain is currently growing faster than any other major advanced | :36:44. | :36:50. | |
economy. Faster than France, which is contracting. Faster than Germany, | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
even America. And that contrast itself points to the risks that | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
remain for the night kingdom from abroad and the weakness of many of | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
our main trading partners -- the United Kingdom. The debt risk is a | :37:06. | :37:13. | |
recurrence of the instability in the eurozone. The OBR still forecast | :37:14. | :37:22. | |
that the eurozone will shrink by 0.4% this year. Their growth | :37:23. | :37:25. | |
forecast for the US and emerging markets have also been revised down | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
and world trade has been weaker than they expected in March. While our | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
exports are growing, they are not growing as fast as we would like, | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
because we are too dependent on markets in Europe and North America. | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
The Prime Minister's visit to China is the latest depth in this | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
Government's determined plan to increase British exports to the | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
faster growing emerging markets, something our country should have | :37:51. | :37:57. | |
done many years ago. Today, I am doubling to ?50 billion, the export | :37:58. | :38:04. | |
finance capacity available to support British businesses, | :38:05. | :38:06. | |
expanding the help available to firms in these emerging markets and | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
ensuring that our excellent new trade Minister, Lord Livingston, has | :38:10. | :38:15. | |
all the firepower he needs. Let me turn to the forecast for employment. | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
Today in Britain, employment is at an all-time high. The OBR have | :38:21. | :38:28. | |
revised their forecasts for the future up. The OBR were expecting | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
jobs to stay flat over the, but they now expect the total number of jobs | :38:33. | :38:39. | |
to rise by 400,000 this year. And this is being felt right across the | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
country. Since 2010, the number of jobs in Carlisle and on the Wirral, | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
Selby to South Tyneside, have all grown faster than in London. | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
Meanwhile, the number of people claiming an appointment benefit has | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
fallen by over 200,000 in the last six months. That is the largest such | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
fall for 16 years. Unemployment is also lower than in 2010. And is | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
forecast to fall further, from 7.6% this year, to 7% in 2015, before | :39:10. | :39:17. | |
falling even further to 5.6% by 2018. We have the lowest proportion | :39:18. | :39:26. | |
of workless households the 17 years. -- for 17 years. There were those | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
who said it was a fantasy to believe that businesses could create jobs | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
more quickly than the public sector would have to lose them. But they | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
should have said is that it would be fantastic if it happened. So I have | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
good news for them. Businesses have already created three jobs for | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
everyone lost in the public sector, and the OBR report today forecasts | :39:51. | :39:58. | |
that this will continue, with 3.1 million more jobs being created by | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
businesses by 2019 than, in their words -- that more than offsets the | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
reduction in the public sector headcount. Far from the mass | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
unemployment that was predicted, we have a record number of people in | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
work. Hundreds of thousands fewer on welfare, unemployment lower than | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
when we came to office, and we will have to million more jobs than in | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
2010, an economic plan that is working and a Government seeking a | :40:29. | :40:37. | |
job rich recovery for all. Let me turn to the forecast for Government | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
borrowing and debt. When this Government came to office, the | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
deficit was 11% of GDP. That was the highest level in our peacetime | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
history. ?1 in every four was being borrowed, and the former Chancellor, | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
and one of the former prime ministers have now joined the | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
consensus that spending was too high. The borrowing post a Houston | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
risk to the stability and could ability of the United Kingdom -- | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
posed a huge risk. We have taken many difficult decisions to bring it | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
down, everyone contested and opposed. I camera port today the | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
effort is paying off. The OBR use a measure of underlying public sector | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
net borrowing that excludes the impact of the Royal Mail pension | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
scheme and the asset purchase facility transfers. I can tell the | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
house, this underlying measure of the deficit, as is the case with the | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
other deficit measure, has been revised down substantially since | :41:41. | :41:48. | |
March. From the 11% back in 2010, the underlying deficit now falls to | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
6.8% this year, instead of the 7.5% they were forecasting in March. It | :41:54. | :42:03. | |
then. 5.6% next year, 4.4%, 2.7% and in 2017-18, 1.2%. By 2018,-19 on | :42:04. | :42:11. | |
this measure, the OBR do not expect a deficit at all. Instead, they | :42:12. | :42:21. | |
expect Britain to run a small surplus. These numbers will mean | :42:22. | :42:29. | |
that the Government will meet its fiscal mandate to bring the | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
structural current budget into balance and meet it one year early. | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
Let me turn to the forecasts for cash borrowing on the same | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
underlying basis. Mr Speaker, at this Autumn Statement last year, | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
there were pretty -- repeated predictions that borrowing would go | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
up but borrowing is down, and significantly more than forecast. In | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
its last year in office, the previous Government borrowed ?158 | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
billion. This year we will borrow ?111 billion, 9 billion less than | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
feared in March. That falls next year to 96 billion, down to | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
79,000,000,020 15-16, we are set to borrow ?73 billion | :43:14. | :43:24. | |
less over the period than was forecast in March. It means we are | :43:25. | :43:38. | |
borrowing the equivalent of ?2500 less for every household in the | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
country. On this measure, too, the OBR forecast the Government would | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
not have to borrow anything at all but instead, we will run a small | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
cash surplus. Of course, this will only happen if we go on working | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
through our long-term plan, delivering the reductions in the | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
deficit we planned this year, next year and the three years after. If | :44:02. | :44:07. | |
we give up on the plan now, we would be saddled with a deficit that is | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
still among the highest in Europe, and this side of the house is not | :44:12. | :44:17. | |
prepared to take that risk. Mr Speaker, while that deficit remains, | :44:18. | :44:20. | |
it adds to our national debt every year. The OBR expect debt this year | :44:21. | :44:29. | |
to come in at 75.5% of GDP. ?18 billion lower than forecast in | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
March. It's then rises to 78.3% next year. Before peaking at 80% next | :44:34. | :44:40. | |
year. 5% lower than forecast in the budget. It falls slightly to 79.9%, | :44:41. | :44:54. | |
then falls again to 78.4% and 75.9%. By 2017-18, debt is over ?80 billion | :44:55. | :45:04. | |
lower than forecast in March. The supplementary target is for dads to | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
be falling in 2015-16, and that the budget the OBR forecast it would be | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
falling in 2017-18, but it is now forecast to fall in 2016-17, that is | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
one year earlier. But let me enter this note of caution. The OBR is | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
clear that this is a cyclical improvement. The forecast for the | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
continuing fall in the structural deficit has not improved. The | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
structural deficit is the borrowing that stays behind even when the | :45:35. | :45:41. | |
economy improves. It has fallen from the 8.7% we inherited to 4.4% today, | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
more than any other major advantage economy. It goes on falling, but | :45:46. | :45:51. | |
snow faster than was previously expected, because, as we have always | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
argued, the central task of reforming government and controlling | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
spending does not simply dissolve when growth returns. And it supports | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
the case we have made all along that economic growth alone was never | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
going to be enough to repair Britain's broken public finances. An | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
improving economy does not let us off the hook for taking the | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
difficult decisions to make sure that the Government lives within its | :46:20. | :46:26. | |
means. And so, Mr Speaker, the single most important economic | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
judgment I make today is this. We will not let up in dealing with our | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
country's debts, we will not spend the money from lower borrowing, we | :46:36. | :46:42. | |
will not squander the hardest games of the British people, the stability | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
and low mortgage rates, the lower deficit and falling borrowing have | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
been hard won by this country, but let us be clear - they could easily | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
be lost, and that is why we must work through our plan to secure the | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
British economy for the long-term. So this Autumn Statement is fiscally | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
neutral across the period. Indeed, today I can announce that we will | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
take three new steps to entrench Britain's commitment to sound public | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
finances. First, we will bring forward next year and updated | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
charter for budget response of and as the Parliament to support it. I | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
can say today that both parties of the coalition have agreed that we | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
must ensure that the debt continues to fall as a percentage of GDP, | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
including using surpluses in good years for this purpose. In other | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
words, this time we will fix the roof when the sun is shining. | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
We will look to see if the five-year time horizon of the fiscal mandate | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
could be shorter, and even more binding now that the public finances | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
are closer to balance, and we will see how fiscal credibility could be | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
further enhanced by a stronger parliamentary commitment to the path | :47:58. | :48:04. | |
of consolidation already agreed for 2016-17 and 2017-18. The answers | :48:05. | :48:09. | |
will be written into an updated charter for budget responsibility | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
which will be presented to Parliament one year from now and | :48:13. | :48:18. | |
voted upon. The second step we take today to entrench Britain's | :48:19. | :48:21. | |
commitment to sound public finances is this. We will cap overall welfare | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
spending. Welfare budgets were completely out of control when we | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
came to office, and the number of households where no-one had ever | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
worked nearly doubled. We have taken very difficult decisions to bring | :48:37. | :48:43. | |
benefit bills down. We have saved ?19 billion per year for the | :48:44. | :48:44. | |
taxpayer. We need to maintain that discipline. | :48:45. | :48:53. | |
The percentage of spending in the UK subject to fixed spending controls | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
is very low by international standards at just 15%, so from next | :48:58. | :49:00. | |
year we will introduce a new cap on total welfare spending. Now, I have | :49:01. | :49:06. | |
had representations that the basic state pension should be included | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
within that cap, but that would mean cutting pensions for those who have | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
worked hard all their lives because the costs on, say, housing benefit | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
for young people had got out of control. That is not fair, so we | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
will not include the state pension, which is better control over a | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
longer period. We will also exclude from the cap the most cyclical of | :49:27. | :49:33. | |
benefits for job-seekers. All other benefits from tax credits to income | :49:34. | :49:36. | |
support to the vast majority of housing benefit will be included in | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
the cap. At the beginning of each Parliament, the chancellor of the | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
day will set the cap for the coming years and as the House of Commons | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
for its support. If the cap is breached, they will have to explain | :49:48. | :49:50. | |
why and hold a vote in this house. The principle is clear. The | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
Government has a responsibility to taxpayers to control their spending | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
on welfare, and Parliament has a responsibility to the country to | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
hold the Government to account for it. That brings me to our third | :50:03. | :50:12. | |
step. Ultimately, the test of fiscal credibility is whether you are | :50:13. | :50:15. | |
prepared, actually, to take the difficult decisions to keep spending | :50:16. | :50:22. | |
under control. Tight discipline means that most of our departments | :50:23. | :50:28. | |
are living within their budgets. This year they are expected to | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
underspend by ?7 billion, a testament to good financial | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
management. We can therefore be confident in reducing the | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
contingency reserve by ?1 billion this year, and reducing departmental | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
budgets by a similar amount in the next two years. This will save a | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
further 3 billion in total. The protections for the NHS and schools | :50:52. | :50:54. | |
will apply. The security and intelligence services and HMRC will | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
be exempt. The Barnett formula means that, over the next two years, the | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
budgets for Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales will see a net | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
increase, and we will not apply the savings to local government, because | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
we expect them to freeze the council tax next year. Mr Speaker, this year | :51:12. | :51:15. | |
Britain becomes the first G8 country to meet our promise to the poorest | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
in the world to spend .7% of our national income on development, but | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
we don't have to increase the budget further to do that. The | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
effectiveness of the British government aid effort in the | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
Philippines, matched by the generosity of the British public, is | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
a reminder of what marks us out as a nation, and we in this country can | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
be very proud of that. We are also immeasurably proud of the work of | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
the armed forces as they wind down their operations in Afghanistan. The | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
budget we spent there is also falling fast, so we can this year | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
reduced the military special reserve by a further ?900 million, while | :51:56. | :52:02. | |
still funding all operational costs. And to reflect our society's debt of | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
gratitude to our service men and women and their families, I want to | :52:07. | :52:12. | |
make a further ?100 million of money available to our early and military | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
charities, and I want to extend that support to those who care for the | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
work of our police, fire and ambulance services. I think the | :52:22. | :52:24. | |
whole house would agree that the terrible events in Glasgow this | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
weekend, and indeed the work they are doing right now to cope with the | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
adverse weather, remind us how much we owe to them. Mr Speaker, | :52:33. | :52:39. | |
discipline with the public finances means more than just words. It means | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
taking difficult decisions and being prepared to stick to them. It means | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
using surpluses in good years to keep debt falling, so we fix the | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
roof when the sun is shining. It means capping welfare, to keep it | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
under control, and where we do want to spend more money, finding extra | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
ways to pay for it. One of the biggest single items of government | :53:02. | :53:04. | |
spending is the basic state pension. I am proud to be in a | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
government that has introduced a triple lock that ensures a fair and | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
generous increase in the state pension every year to those who have | :53:14. | :53:20. | |
worked hard all our lives. I can confirm the next April the state | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
pension will rise by a further ?2.95 per week. This increase, and the | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
other increases under this government, mean that pensioners | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
will be over ?800 every year better off. And I can announce that we are | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
also going to offer current pensioners an opportunity to make | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
involuntary national insurance on to and is to boost their income in | :53:44. | :53:51. | |
retirement. We will also make... Bash to make involuntary national | :53:52. | :53:53. | |
insurance contributions. This will help those who have not built up | :53:54. | :53:59. | |
much entitlement to the state pension. But we also have to | :54:00. | :54:05. | |
guarantee that the basic state pension is affordable in the | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
pension, even as people live longer and our society grows older. The | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
only way to do that is to ensure that the pension age keeps track | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
with life expectancy. The Pensions Bill currently going through | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
Parliament puts in place reviews of the pension age every five years. | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
Now, we set the principle that will underpin those reviews. We think a | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
fair principle is that, as now, people should expect to spend a | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
third of their adult life in retirement, and based on the latest | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
life expectancy figures, applying that principle would mean an | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
increase in the state pension age to 68 in the mid 20 30s, and 29 in the | :54:44. | :54:51. | |
late 2040 yeah. The exact date will be set by further statutory reviews, | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
and in line with the most up to date demographic data, published next | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
week. This is one of those difficult decisions that governments have to | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
take if they are serious about controlling the public finances. | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
Future taxpayers will be saved around ?500 billion. Young people | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
will know that our country can afford to give them a proper pension | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
when they retire. Now, that is this generation, fulfilling its | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
obligations for fiscal responsibility to the next | :55:23. | :55:25. | |
generation, not saddling them with the debts and decisions that we were | :55:26. | :55:29. | |
not prepared to deal with ourselves. Mr Speaker, having sound public | :55:30. | :55:36. | |
finances also means making sure that we collect the taxes that are due. | :55:37. | :55:42. | |
Most wealthy people pay their taxes and make a huge contribution to | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
funding our public services. The latest figures show that 30% of all | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
income tax is paid by just 1% of taxpayers. We have given incentives | :55:52. | :55:57. | |
to enterprise, cut punitive tax rates, and this year the rich paid a | :55:58. | :56:01. | |
greater share of the nation's income taxes than any year under the last | :56:02. | :56:09. | |
Labour government. But alongside those paying the most tax, there are | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
those who try to avoid paying their fair share of tax. So today we set | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
out in detail the largest package of measures to tackle tax avoidance, | :56:20. | :56:22. | |
tax evasion, fraud and error so far this Parliament. Together, it will | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
raise over ?9 billion over the next five years. We are going to tackle | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
the growth of intermediaries disguising employment as false | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
self-employment, depriving workforces of basic employment | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
rights like the minimum wage, in a bid to avoid employee national | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
insurance. We will have the final period a exemption for capital gains | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
tax private residence relief. We will end the abuse of dual | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
contracts, offshore oil and gas contracting, derivatives linked to | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
profits, and share buy-backs. We will ensure the tax advantages of | :57:01. | :57:03. | |
partnerships are not abused either. We are introducing a new limited | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
power that requires people to pay upfront for their taxes were the | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
scheme they use has already been struck down by the courts, and we | :57:12. | :57:17. | |
are going to strengthen the capacity to prevent error and tackle fraud in | :57:18. | :57:20. | |
the benefit and tax credit systems and expand efforts to recover money | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
that is owed. There is one personal tax change we made today which is | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
not about avoidance but is about fairness. Britain is an open country | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
that welcomes investment from all over the world, including investment | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
in our residential property. But it is not right that those who live in | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
this country pay capital gains tax when they sell a home that is not | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
their primary residence, while those who do not live here do not. That is | :57:45. | :57:51. | |
unfair, and so from April 2015 we will introduce capital gains tax on | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
future gains made by nonresidents who sell residential property here | :57:56. | :58:01. | |
in the UK. I can also announce, from January one next year, the rate of | :58:02. | :58:10. | |
the bank levy will rise to 0.156%, and its base will be broadened in | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
ways we have consulted upon. The levy will raise 2.7 billion in | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
2014-15, and 2.9 billion each year from 2015 - 16. The country stood be | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
hanged the banks in the crisis, and now it is right that they support | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
the country and recovery. -- stood behind. Mr Speaker, a government | :58:31. | :58:34. | |
that lives within its means is essential to secure the economy for | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
the long-term, but it is not sufficient. Britain has to earn its | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
way in the world. Our infrastructure needs to be overhauled, we have to | :58:42. | :58:45. | |
help businesses compete, and above all our young people need the skills | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
to succeed in the modern world. This Autumn Statement states the next big | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
steps in all these areas. Let me start with infrastructure. We are | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
going to be spending more on capital as a proportion of national income | :58:59. | :59:01. | |
on average over this decade than over the whole period of the last | :59:02. | :59:06. | |
government. And that has involved making tough choices about | :59:07. | :59:09. | |
priorities in spending and sticking to them. But that is not the most | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
difficult decision in this area. We have to decide whether we are | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
serious as a country about competing in the modern world, and say to | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
people, we need the new roads, the new railways, including the northern | :59:23. | :59:26. | |
hub and High Speed Two. We have to say we are prepared to push the | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
boundaries of scientific endeavour, including in controversial areas, | :59:32. | :59:34. | |
because Britain has always been a pioneer. We should say that the | :59:35. | :59:36. | |
country that was the first to extract oil and gas from deep under | :59:37. | :59:41. | |
the sea should not turn its back on new sources of energy, like shale | :59:42. | :59:45. | |
gas, because it is too difficult. And the country with the worlds | :59:46. | :59:48. | |
first civil nuclear programme should not be a country that says, we can | :59:49. | :59:55. | |
do this no longer. Yesterday the Chief Secretary and Lord Dighton | :59:56. | :59:57. | |
published the update to the National Infrastructure Plan, and that | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
includes a co-operation agreement with Hitachi on the next nuclear | :00:01. | :00:03. | |
power station in Anglesey, it includes a deal with the insurance | :00:04. | :00:08. | |
industry to invest at least ?25 billion in UK infrastructure, and we | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
published the prices that support long-term investment in offshore | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
wind and prioritise it over on the shore wind. Today, we go further, | :00:17. | :00:24. | |
with a commitment to invest in quantum technology, a new tax | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
allowance to encourage investment in shale gas that Harvest tax rates on | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
early profits, and in the week in which Professor Peter ticks travels | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
to Stockholm to connect -- collect his Nobel Prize for physics, we | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
commit to world a new centre in Edinburgh in his name, because | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
science is a personal priority. In housing, we have to confront this | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
simple truth. If we want more people to own a home, we have to build more | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
homes. And the OBR is absolutely right today. To draw attention to | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
the weakness of housing supply in this country. The good news is the | :01:07. | :01:13. | |
latest survey data showed residential construction growing at | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
its fastest rate for a decade. And are planning reforms are delivering | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
a 35% increase in approvals for new homes. But we need to do more. This | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
week we are announcing ?1 billion of loans to unblock large housing | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
developments on sites in Manchester, Leeds and across the country. We are | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
going to interest the housing -- increase the housing borrowing | :01:36. | :01:42. | |
account by ?100 million. We want to regenerate some of our most rundown | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
urban estates. Councils will sell of the most expensive social housing so | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
they can house many more families for the same money, and we are going | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
to give working people in social housing a priority rights to move if | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
they need to for a job. Right to buy applications have doubled under this | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
government and we will expand it more. And the very same spirit of | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
aspiration that underpins right to buy is what drives this government | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
with help to buy. It is not enough to build more houses if families | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
don't have the large deposits that the banks of demand it. Help to Buy | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
is now helping thousands to own their own home and I can announce | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
that two Challenger banks expect to join the scheme this month. We must | :02:29. | :02:39. | |
also avoid the mistakes of the last decade. We want a responsible | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
recovery and that is why I am the first Chancellor to give the Bank of | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
England responsible tee and power, not only to monitor over it -- | :02:47. | :02:54. | |
overall debt bubbles but to deal with them if they threaten the | :02:55. | :03:05. | |
economy. House prices are three point 1% lower in 2007, as forecast | :03:06. | :03:14. | |
by the OBR. Because the authorities can act in | :03:15. | :03:28. | |
this targeted way and because our public finances are under control, | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
the bank can keep overall interest rates lower for longer and support | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
the rest of the economy. Investing in the physical infrastructure of | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
our recovery is critical to our future but it is better education | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
and skills that hold the key to long-term national success. This | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
week's PISA scores show how much ground this country has to make up. | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
The Education Secretary is doing more to transform school standards | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
and raise the aspiration of people from the poorest families then | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
anyone who has done the job before him. Let me make it clear, his | :04:09. | :04:17. | |
expansion of free schools and academies as the full backing of | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
this Chancellor. We also know that children do better at school when | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
they have a proper meal inside them. This Autumn Statement has found the | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
financial resources to fund the expansion of free school meals to | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
all school children in reception, year one and year two, announced by | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
the Deputy Prime Minister and supported by me. Today, we also | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
focus on what happens when our young people leave school and we do more | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
to help them. We will not abandon those who leave school with few or | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
no qualifications. At present, job centre plus does it is nothing to | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
help 16 or 17-year-olds who are not in work or education. We will change | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
that and fund job centres to help young adults to find | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
apprenticeships. There is a limited chance that any young person will be | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
able to stay of welfare without these qualifications. Anyone signing | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
on without these basic skills will be required to undertake basic | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
training from day one or lose their benefits. If they are still | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
unemployed after six months, they will have to take a training ship, | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
take work experience or do a community work placement. If they | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
don't turn up, they will lose their benefits. A culture of work | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
closeness becomes entrenched when young people can leave school and go | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
straight onto the goal when -- with nothing expected in return -- work | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
closeness. The second reform is to | :05:58. | :06:08. | |
apprenticeships. We have doubled the number of apprenticeships and now we | :06:09. | :06:10. | |
will transform the way they are provided by funding employers, | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
directly through HMRC. There will now be an additional 20,000 higher | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
apprenticeships over the next two years and I can also announced a big | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
expansion of start-up loans, through which a new generation of | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
entrepreneurs is being created. 50,000 more people will be helped to | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
fulfil the aspiration to start their own business, and we are expanding | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
the new enterprise allowance, too. Mr Speaker, this year is also the | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
50th anniversary of the Robbins report, which challenge the nonsense | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
that university was only suitable for a small few. In 1963, Robbins | :06:46. | :06:52. | |
said because is of higher education should be available for all those | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
who are qualified by ability and attainment to pursue them, and wish | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
to do so. That was true then and I believe it should remain true today. | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
Our reforms to student loans, difficult as they were, have put our | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
universities on a secure footing. Some predicted that applications | :07:12. | :07:13. | |
from students from poor backgrounds would fall. Instead, I camera port | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
that this year we have had the highest proportion of young people | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
from disadvantaged backgrounds applying to university, ever -- I | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
can report. But there is still a cap on | :07:25. | :07:37. | |
aspiration. Each year, around 60,000 young people who have worked hard at | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
school got the results, want to go on learning and want to take out a | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
loan, are prevented from doing so because of an arbitrator. It makes | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
no sense when we have a lower proportion of people going to | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
university than the United States, let alone self career. Access to | :07:53. | :08:01. | |
higher education is a mark of success in the global race. We will | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
provide 30,000 more student places and a year after we will abolish the | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
cap on student numbers altogether. Extra funding will be provided to | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
science, technology and engineering courses. The new loans will be | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
financed by selling the old student loan book, allowing thousands more | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
to achieve their potential. Mr Speaker, education underpins | :08:26. | :08:32. | |
opportunity. It is business that provides those opportunities. And | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
the best way to help business is by lowering the burden of tax. KPMG's | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
report last week confirmed for the second year running that Britain has | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
the most competitive business tax system in the world. Some in this | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
house suggest that our response to this good news should be to increase | :08:54. | :09:01. | |
corporation tax from 20%. Today we publish the first of our studies | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
into the dynamic effects of tax changes colour that show our | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
corporation tax cuts increase investment and raise productivity. | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
So much so that over half of the cost to the Treasury of the tax cut | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
will be recovered because of higher growth. Putting up corporation tax | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
hits investment, cuts productivity, costs jobs and raises much less. We | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
thank the honourable members for their submission but we think it | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
would be economic madness to pursue it. | :09:32. | :09:38. | |
Quite the reverse. Today we take further steps to make business taxes | :09:39. | :09:47. | |
more competitive. The budget announcement that we would abolish | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
stamp duty on shares was welcomed round the world, we also abolished | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
stamp duty on traded funds. We are making successful film tax relief | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
even more generous and looking to extend the principle to regional | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
theatre. We set up major reforms to encourage employee ownership of the | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
kind that makes them lowish such a success. -- makes John Lewis. We | :10:12. | :10:18. | |
will introduce a new tax relief for investment in social enterprises and | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
new social impact bonds. I want to thank Sir Ronnie Coen and I | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
honourable friend, the charities minister, for their help in putting | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
this innovative scheme together. Business rates imposed a heavy | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
burden on businesses of all sizes. Today we will help ease that burden. | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
The last government wanted to halve small business rates relief. A | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
relief which cuts rates bills for half a million companies and means a | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
third of a million of the smallest businesses paying no rates at all. | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
If we followed that plan, small businesses would have faced a rate | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
increase of up to ?3375. We have rejected that plan. We have extended | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
that rate relief scheme year after year. It was due to expire next | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
April. We will now extended for another whole year. -- extend it. We | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
will relax the rules that discourage these firms from expanding and | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
opening extra premises. That doesn't go far enough. All businesses are | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
expecting rates to rise by 3.2% next year. Instead, I will cap the | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
inflation increase in business rates for all premises at 2% from next | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
April. We will also allow business to pay their rates in 12 monthly | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
instalments. We will clear almost all of the backlog of valuation | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
appeals by July 2015, with reform of business rates on the agenda for the | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
2017 evaluation. There is one group of businesses that have found the | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
recession especially hard, as it has coincided with the rising challenge | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
from the internet that is only getting stronger. These are local | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
retailers, the shops, the pubs, cafes that make up the high street | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
across Britain. With small-business Saturday this weekend, I want the | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
government to do all it can to help them. We are already changing the | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
planning rules to help town centres compete. To get the vacant shops | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
that blights too many town centres to open again, I am introducing a | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
new reoccupation relief that will halve the rates for new occupants. I | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
want to thank my honourable friends from Wolverhampton Southwest, then | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
eaten, Hastings right, Brentford and many others for their campaign. | :12:40. | :12:53. | |
I can announce today that for the next two years, every retail promise | :12:54. | :13:02. | |
in England with a rateable value of up to ?50,000 will get a discount on | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
their business rates. This will be worth ?1000 of their bills. | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
This is what we offer. Business rates capped for the smallest firms | :13:13. | :13:22. | |
know rates at all, and helps for the -- help for the high street. ?1000 | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
for small shops, pubs, cafes and restaurants across our country. The | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
people in these businesses epitomise the hard-working values this | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
government supports and we are backing British businesses all the | :13:38. | :13:44. | |
way. And we are backing British families. Next April, the personal | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
allowance will reach ?10,000. This government is delivering an income | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
tax cut worth up to ?700 a year to over 25 million hard-working people. | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
Under the last government, council tax doubled. We are now helping | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
councils freeze it for the whole of this Parliament. Tax free childcare | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
is being introduced and free school meals are on their way, but there is | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
more we are doing to help. This Autumn Statement confirms that from | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
April 2015, we will introduce a new transferable tax allowance for | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
married couples, available to all basic rate taxpayers. It enables | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
people to transfer ?1000 of their personal allowance to their wife, | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
husband or civil partner. It is just a start and I confirmed today that | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
we will introduce a new operating mechanism that ensures the new | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
married couples allowance is automatically increased in | :14:41. | :14:41. | |
proportion to the personal allowance. 4 million families will | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
benefit, many of them among the poorest working families in our | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
country. And this measure, along with the others we take today | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
ensures that across this Parliament, policies are progressive, showing we | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
are all in this together with the very | :14:59. | :15:07. | |
Mr Speaker, we are a helping energies with their family bills, | :15:08. | :15:15. | |
not with a transparent con, pretending we can control the | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
world's oil price, but by instead focusing on what government can | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
control, the levies and charges that previous energy secretaries piled | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
onto bills. This week we deliver on the promise made by the Prime | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
Minister... The statement must be heard. Chancellor of the Exchequer. | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
This week we deliver made by the Prime Minister to roll back on those | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
levies, a result of ?50 off family bills, in a way that supports the | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
lowest income families, reduces carbon, support investment in our | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
energy infrastructure, and as the document shows, does not add 1p to | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
the tax bills that families pay. My political philosopher sea is clear. | :16:00. | :16:01. | |
Instead of penalising people with more taxes and radiation, give them | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
incentives by reducing their taxes and bills. As I have often said, | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
going green does not have to cost the earth. That brings me onto fuel | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
duty. We inherited from the last government the hated fuel duty | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
escalator. It would have inflicted hardship on families and small firms | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
alike. Instead of those rises, we abolished the escalator, and we have | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
cut and then frozen fuel duty. I have had further representations | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
from many, many honourable friends, from the member for Blackpool | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
North, the member for Argyll, and of course, of course the member for | :16:42. | :16:49. | |
Harlow! He is a champion of the people he represents, and I said | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
earlier this autumn that if we could find the money, I would like to go | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
on freezing duty. Today I can report that because we have taken difficult | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
decisions to control the public finances, I can deliver on that | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
promise. Next year's fuel duty rise will be cancelled. Instead of | :17:05. | :17:12. | |
federal taxes going up by 2p per litre, they will stay frozen. -- | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
petrol. That means compared to the previous government's plans, it will | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
be 20p per litre less, ?11 less every time you fill up. A saving | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
from drivers over this parliament of ?680, and double that for a small | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
business with a band-macro. Cancelling fuel duty rises has been | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
a major priority of the government, a ?22 billion demonstration that we | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
are on the side of hard-working people in this country. The married | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
couple's allowance, ?50 off energy bills, we are helping those who | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
drive a car and helping those who get the train, to. There's next | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
January were going to go up by 1% above inflation, and we will keep | :17:56. | :18:04. | |
average fares flat in real terms. On this side of the house we know there | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
is one thing more than any other that has supported family through | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
these difficult times, and that is being in work. At the heart of our | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
economic plan is support for the creation of more jobs. That is why | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
we opposed the last government's plan to increase the jobs tax. That | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
is why we reversed the most damaging part of that increase in the very | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
first Budget after we came to office. That is also why, in the | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
last Budget, I introduced the employment allowance that eliminates | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
the jobs tax for half a million small businesses. And that is why we | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
will go further still. We are going to bullish the jobs tax on young | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
people under the age of 21. -- abolished. Employment national | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
insurance contributions will be removed on 1.5 million jobs for | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
young people. We are not going to leave young people behind as the | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
economy grows. We are going to have a responsible recovery for all. The | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
cost for a business of employing a young person on a salary of ?12,000 | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
will fall by over ?500. For someone of ?16,000, it is over ?1000 off. I | :19:12. | :19:17. | |
want to commend my honourable friend from Braintree and Carlisle and | :19:18. | :19:19. | |
their campaign for highlighting this issue. The change requires | :19:20. | :19:27. | |
legislation. It will come into force in April 2015, and it will not apply | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
beyond the upper earnings limit. Now, this country, Mr Speaker, is | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
working through its long-term plan, bringing down the deficit and | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
dealing with the debt, spending less on welfare and making the big | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
decisions on infrastructure, living within our means and cutting tax on | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
business, making work pay and letting people keep more of what | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
they earn. Confidence in the next-generation as they make their | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
way in education and in the workplace. This statement shows the | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
plan is working, it is a long-term plan for a grown-up country, but the | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
job is not done. By doing the right thing, we are heading in the right | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
direction, Britain is moving again, let's keep going! | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
And the Chancellor complete is Autumn Statement, he took 50 minutes | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
to do it, we will go through it in a moment, but let's now hear the | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
response of the Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls. | :20:24. | :20:32. | |
Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker! The whole country will have seen today that, | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
for all his breathtaking complacency, | :20:39. | :21:33. | |
for all his breathtaking this Prime Minister, under this | :21:34. | :21:33. | |
Chancellor and this Prime Minister, under this | :21:34. | :21:41. | |
living standards are not rising, this Prime Minister, under this | :21:42. | :21:41. | |
Speaker. They are falling year-on-year | :21:42. | :22:01. | |
Speaker. They are falling that, on average, working people in | :22:02. | :22:10. | |
our country are ?1600 per year worse off than when they came into power | :22:11. | :22:19. | |
in Twenty20 and that prices will continue to rise faster than wages | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
this year and into next year, too? -- in 2010. As a result, people will | :22:26. | :22:35. | |
be worse off in 2015 and they were in 2010, Mr Speaker. Isn't this the | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
truth - after three damaging is flat lining, after the slowest recovery | :22:42. | :22:51. | |
for over 100 years... Order! Order! However long it takes, the | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
response... Order! Mr Morris, I don't require your assistance, calm | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
down! Take up yoga, whatever is necessary! However long it takes, | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
the response, like the statement, will be heard. The sooner members | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
upon both sides of the House grasped that very simple fact, so much the | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
better. Mr Ed Balls. Mr Speaker, there is a cost of living crisis, | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
even if they want ad omitted in this house, Mr Speaker! And we almost | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
white, after three damaging years of flat-lining, the slowest recovery | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
for over 100 years, yes, from a Chancellor and Prime Minister who | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
said we are all in this together and then gave a huge tax cut to | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
millionaires, Mr Speaker! Don't we know the truth? Working people are | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
not better off under the Tories, they are worse off under the Tories. | :23:54. | :24:00. | |
And... For all their complacent boasts, after three damaging and | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
wasted years, for most people, I have to say, in the constituencies | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
of honourable members of all sides of this house, there is still no | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
recovery at all, Mr Speaker. So let me ask the Chancellor about the | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
promises he made to this house on growth and living standards three | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
years ago. He said then, he said then, Mr Speaker, that the economy | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
would grow by more than 8.4% by the end of this year. Even after | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
today's welcome revisions, growth is set to be half of that, Mr Speaker. | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
Lower growth than he forecast in 2010 this year, next year and the | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
year after as well. Didn't the Chancellor pledged to get the banks | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
lending? But net lending to business is now down ?100 billion compared to | :24:59. | :25:06. | |
May 2010. Didn't he make the number one test of his economic credibility | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
keeping the AAA credit rating? But it has been downgraded not once but | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
twice, Mr Speaker! And as for his promise to balance the books by | :25:18. | :25:26. | |
2015, didn't he confirm today that, in 2015, he is not balancing the | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
books, he is borrowing ?79 billion, Mr Speaker? For all his... For all | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
his smoke and mirrors, for all his smoke and mirrors, he is borrowing | :25:40. | :25:46. | |
?198 billion more than he planned in 2010. More borrowing to pay for | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
three years of economic failure, more borrowing in just three years | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
under this Chancellor than and the last government in 13 years, Mr | :25:59. | :26:07. | |
Speaker! -- than under. He... He used to say he would balance the | :26:08. | :26:15. | |
books in 2015. Now he wants... Now he wants us to congratulate him for | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
saying he will do it in 2019, Mr Speaker! With this Government, it is | :26:21. | :26:28. | |
clearly not just the goalposts that move, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker... Mr | :26:29. | :26:39. | |
Speaker... On energy bills, on energy bills, after their panicked | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
and half baked attempt to steal Labour's clothes... The... | :26:45. | :26:57. | |
Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker, we know they are not very | :26:58. | :27:08. | |
good at shooting other people's foxes as well as badgers, Mr | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
Speaker, because what if the truth, for three months the leader of the | :27:15. | :27:16. | |
opposition has been calling for an energy price freeze. And did the | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
Chancellor announced an energy price freeze? No, he did not, Mr Speaker! | :27:23. | :27:30. | |
Can he confirm... Can he confirm that when the energy cup and have | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
already announced price rises of ?120 this year, his policy will | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
still see energy price bid rise by ?70 this winter? Mr Speaker, under | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
this Chancellor, the only freeze this winter will be for millions of | :27:50. | :27:52. | |
families and pensioners struggling to heat their homes with rising | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
bills! Does he really think he can get away with tinkering at the | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
edges, moving green levies, his own party introduced them, off the bills | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
and onto the taxpayer? And - surprise, surprise! - letting the | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
energy companies completely off the hook, Mr Speaker! They are not | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
paying a penny, they are not paying a penny! Doesn't he realise that for | :28:22. | :28:28. | |
millions of hard-pressed families, pensioners and businesses across our | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
country, nothing less than a freeze will do, Mr Speaker?! And rather | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
than hard-pressed taxpayers, it should be the excess profits of the | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
energy companies that pick up the tab, Mr Speaker. And... And... As | :28:44. | :28:54. | |
for the Prime Minister... As for the Prime Minister's flagship policy for | :28:55. | :29:01. | |
families, a tax break for marriage, why won't the Chancellor and admit | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
the truth and tell the Prime Minister that the policy won't even | :29:07. | :29:08. | |
help the family is the Prime Minister says it will? Because his | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
own Treasury minister has let the cat out of the bag. I have it here | :29:14. | :29:22. | |
in black and white, Mr Speaker. The Exchequer Secretary says just under | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
one third of married couples will get the married couples tax | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
allowance. Just one in six families with children will benefit. Sack | :29:32. | :29:41. | |
him! Contrary to the Prime Minister's claim, contrary to his | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
claim in this house a few weeks ago, a married couple were both are | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
paying basic rate income tax will get no benefit at all, Mr Speaker! | :29:51. | :30:07. | |
Apologise! No... Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker, no wonder his own | :30:08. | :30:14. | |
Chancellor of the Exchequer has this week told the Daily Telegraph, he | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
thinks the Prime Minister's policy is, and I quote, a turkey of an | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
idea. A turkey! The Chancellor thinks the Prime Minister's policy | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
is a turkey. Merry Christmas, Prime Minister. Merry Christmas. I have to | :30:33. | :30:43. | |
say... Order... It is very simple, it just lengthens the proceedings, | :30:44. | :30:48. | |
doesn't bother me, I very much enjoy chairing the proceedings. I think | :30:49. | :30:58. | |
what members on both sides of the house will wish to consider is how | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
the conduct is regarded by the public that we are here to | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
represent. Mr Speaker, I think on this one, the Chancellor is right. | :31:08. | :31:17. | |
It is a turkey of an idea. I have to say, on the cost of living crisis, | :31:18. | :31:25. | |
an energy, on supporting families, this government just doesn't get it. | :31:26. | :31:33. | |
And there is a reason why this Prime Minister... The Chancellor said it | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
in his statement, there is a reason why they believe people are better | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
off. Because the people on their Christmas card lists have seen their | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
bonuses rise and their taxes cut. They are willing to stand up... They | :31:50. | :31:56. | |
are willing to stand up for the interests of the energy | :31:57. | :32:07. | |
companies... We have a prime minister and a Chancellor who will | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
stand up for the energy companies, they will stand up for the hedge | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
fund is, they will stand up for people earning over ?150,000 who get | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
a tax cut but they won't stand up for millions of families in our | :32:21. | :32:26. | |
country. People struggling with rising energy bills, falling wages, | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
rising childcare costs. Mr Speaker, we all know and agree that rising | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
life expectancy means we are going to have to work longer. And the | :32:39. | :32:50. | |
Chancellor's failure on growth and the deficit means more tough | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
decisions in the next Parliament. But when the country is crying out | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
for the government that will work with business to promote investment | :32:58. | :33:03. | |
and wealth creation, and build an economy that works for the many and | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
not just the few, does this chancellery think he can get away | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
with tinkering at the edges, -- Chancellor really think he can get | :33:13. | :33:19. | |
away with tinkering at the edges and waiting for wealth to trickle down. | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
Isn't this the clearest evidence yet that they do not understand the | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
scale of the challenge that we faced to get an investment led recovery | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
that works for all and not just a few, a strong recovery built to | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
last. With the permission of the house, let me ask the Chancellor: | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
With house-building under this government at its lowest level since | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
the 1920s, doesn't he see his Help to Buy scheme to boost mortgage | :33:49. | :33:55. | |
demand can only deliver a strong and balanced recovery if he does what we | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
and the IMF have urged, and invest in housing supply. More affordable | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
homes. Honourable gentleman on the opposite benches sneer at building | :34:07. | :34:19. | |
more affordable homes. Can the Chancellor tell the house, why has | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
infrastructure output actually fallen by 15% since 2010? No wonder | :34:25. | :34:31. | |
the CBI is so upset. Why hasn't he used the money from the planned | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
increase in respect of licence fees to endow a proper investment bank. | :34:36. | :34:44. | |
On tax avoidance, why has the HMRC reported the amount of uncollected | :34:45. | :34:52. | |
tax actually rose last year? And with almost 1 million young people | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
unemployed, a record number who want to work full time being forced to | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
accept part-time work. The work programme, a flop. The welfare bill | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
rising. And as we have learned today, the universal credit, and | :35:08. | :35:17. | |
utter shambles. HECKLING | :35:18. | :35:23. | |
No mention of the universal credit in the statement. IDS, in deep | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
shambles, Mr Speaker. Isn't the fact, for all the shambles | :35:29. | :35:49. | |
and chaos and rising welfare bills, what he has announced on youth | :35:50. | :35:52. | |
unemployment is too little, too late. Help only for the under 21s | :35:53. | :36:05. | |
coming in the last weeks. Why won't he repeat the successful tax on bank | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
bonuses to pay for all young people, a job they will take or lose. Why | :36:11. | :36:17. | |
won't he remove the winter fuel allowance for the richest | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
pensioners? Why won't he reversed his tax cut for hedge funds, protect | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
disabled people in our country by scrapping the unfair and perverse | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
bedroom tax this Prime Minister has introduced. I have to say, why won't | :36:30. | :36:36. | |
he go further on the bank levy and expand free childcare for working | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
parents and make work pay, use it to help working parents? Isn't it the | :36:40. | :36:47. | |
truth? Can the Chancellor confirmed, even after what he has announced | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
today on fuel duty and his increases in the personal allowance, his VAT | :36:53. | :37:01. | |
rise, his cuts to tax credit and child benefit, meaning families with | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
children are worse off because of his budgets, that is the truth. | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
Giving with one hand, taking away much more with the other. Mr | :37:10. | :37:17. | |
Speaker, energy bills still rising this winter. No real action to | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
tackle the cost of living crisis. No proper plan to earn our way to | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
rising living standards for all. Shirley Britta can do better than | :37:30. | :37:38. | |
this. This complacent Chancellor sits there and think C deserves a | :37:39. | :37:46. | |
pat on the back -- thinks he deserves. With bank bonuses rising | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
and millionaires enjoying a big tax cut, this is a policy which is | :37:52. | :38:00. | |
working for a few, Mr Speaker. But as this Autumn Statement shows, with | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
this out of touch Chancellor and Prime Minister, hard-working people | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
are worse off under the Tories. STUDIO: We are leaving the House of | :38:09. | :38:23. | |
Commons. This is the OBR statement, and this is the Autumn Statement. | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
Our experts are pouring through these figures to find out what the | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
Chancellor did not tell us. There is always something hidden in these | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
documents and we will get to the bottom of it now. If you want to | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
continue watching the Autumn Statement debate, it is on BBC | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
Parliament, or the Democracy live website. Let's take a look at what | :38:44. | :38:51. | |
the Chancellor did announce over the past 50 minutes. The growth forecast | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
committee said the OBR had increased that to 1.4% for this year, 2.4% for | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
next year. But for some reason, it tips to 2.2% in 2015. The outer | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
years, you can largely ignore because they don't really mean | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
enough. The Bank of England thinks the economy will grow this year and | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
next year more quickly than the OBR is saying. Because growth is | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
stronger the Chancellor doesn't have to borrow so much so he has juiced | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
borrowing forecasts. This year he has taken about 9 billion. Then it | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
falls to 96 billion, down to 79, down to 51. By 2017-18 it goes to 23 | :39:32. | :39:39. | |
and after that, the Chancellor gave us the possibility that we might | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
move into surplus. These out years are always revised, I wouldn't put | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
too much faith in them. The OBR expects a small surplus by 2018-19. | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
Debt continues to rise for the foreseeable future because we are | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
still borrowing. National debt goes up to 80% of our national wealth by | :39:59. | :40:06. | |
2015. Unemployment, the OBR saying will fall quite strongly, 7% in | :40:07. | :40:13. | |
2015, 5.6% by 2018. Again it should be pointed out, independent | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
forecasters believe unemployment will fall more quickly, which is | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
significant not just for the unemployed, but means that interest | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
rates may have to rise if the governor of the bank sting -- sticks | :40:24. | :40:35. | |
to his guidance. It was confirmed the Chancellor is scrapping the | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
planned 2p fuel duty increase. He also said that rail fares will rise | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
only in line with inflation in January 2014. Living standards | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
issues are ranking high with the government at the moment. It wasn't | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
so long ago that rail fares were set to double the rate of inflation. | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
Something well trailed, a ?50 average saving on energy fuel bills | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
by changing the way green levies are levied. The Chancellor also | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
announced that was to be a rise in the state pension that will go up in | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
April. But the pension age will rise when you retire. He would not give | :41:16. | :41:26. | |
an exact date. And then he announced that a cap on the total amount of | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
money spent on welfare would be introduced next year. That is | :41:31. | :41:37. | |
clearly, I suggest, designed to embarrass Labour ought to get a | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
response. The Chancellor also said it would not include pensions, state | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
pensions would not be in the welfare cap. It goes up and down depending | :41:45. | :41:51. | |
on the level of employment. Another idea that was well trailed in | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
advance was that for non-UK residents who buy homes in this | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
country when they come to sell, no doubt having made a substantial gain | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
if it is in central London, they will pay capital gains tax. Just as | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
British citizens pay capital gains tax on their second homes. He | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
announced there will be ?3 billion of departmental savings at central | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
government level, not a huge amount but maybe a bit painful on top of | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
cuts that have fallen on departments. And an idea that was | :42:22. | :42:28. | |
trailed at the Tory Party conference, the married couples tax | :42:29. | :42:31. | |
allowance will be introduced in 2015, probably just in time for the | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
election. On the business front, the Chancellor announced in this rate | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
increases would be capped at 2% from next April. They would be a ?1000 | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
discount for small retail businesses for the next two years, in an | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
attempt to get some life back into the high street. And that employer | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
national insurance contributions would be removed from under 20 ones | :42:54. | :42:59. | |
in an attempt to get the 1 million youth jobless back to work. It was | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
confirmed there would be free school meals for the first three years in | :43:05. | :43:11. | |
England. It also announced there would be an extra 30,000 student | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
places at British universities, and that the cap on student numbers | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
which currently exists would be abolished from 2015 and it would be | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
up to the universities to determine how many students they are going to | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
take. Infrastructure, widely announced yesterday. He wants to get | :43:28. | :43:35. | |
more housing going. There is to be a new tax allowance for investment in | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
shale gas. Many in the Shell gas industry say the planning is the rub | :43:41. | :43:46. | |
them. -- is the problem. And he confirmed there will be a new | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
nuclear power station planned for Anglesey, probably on broadly the | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
same terms of guaranteed price and help with the borrowing to pay for | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
it that EDF recently got for the new one planned in Hinckley. There we | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
go, not a lot in it! Give me your reaction, Nick. There is a lot in it | :44:07. | :44:13. | |
but there is a lot we already knew about because they were announced at | :44:14. | :44:16. | |
conferences or work well briefed. In terms of the measures, there is a | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
mixture of what the government regards as populists, we knew we | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
would get the free school meals but it is an important step. Robert | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
spotted, there don't seem to be any numbers for paying for that in the | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
years after an election. The Tory and Lib Democrat teams can I have | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
treated them to ask what is going on. -- I have tweeted. Ed Balls and | :44:40. | :44:50. | |
Labour said they would reverse one of the cuts to corporation tax in | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
order to give more money to small business. It is quite a lot of money | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
spent by a government initiative, ?1000 off retail Princess was an | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
important measure to get isn't is to employ the young -- retail | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
businesses. Overall, the government spend a bit of money, about ?2 | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
billion, but what it is saying is, we have made progress. The | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
structural, underlying deficit, has not come down fast because of | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
growth. So steady as she goes, carry on with the plan, don't change it. | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
Which is why you have repeated uses of the word plan, repeated uses of | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
the word long-term, repeated uses of the phrase, difficult decisions. | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
Chancellor is saying, bank on the fact we have a lot more to do. | :45:36. | :45:42. | |
Robert, the Chancellor was able to announce better growth rates for | :45:43. | :45:45. | |
this year and next year, and therefore lower deficit forecasts | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
for this year and next you. But is the OBR being cautious? Could it be | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
better than the figures they have come up with? Certainly, it is very | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
striking that the Bank of England, for example, has forecast rather | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
stronger growth over the coming 18 months than the OBR. And for me, | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
actually, it is the fiscal forecast and the economic forecasts which are | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
interesting today, because as Nick pointed out, almost all the measures | :46:13. | :46:14. | |
that he announced and broadly we knew about, there are a number of | :46:15. | :46:21. | |
striking things here. One thing that the OBR says is that it believes | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
that the strength of economic recovery that we are seeing at the | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
moment is coming from an anticipated, by it, anticipated | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
revival in private consumption, most of which comes from lower saving, | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
people not rebuilding their overstretched financial positions. | :46:40. | :46:45. | |
There is not high income for people driving this recovery, so what does | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
that mean? It means it worries that, actually, as we go through the | :46:50. | :46:52. | |
coming months, growth will slow down, until we begin to see | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
businesses investing, until we begin to see productivity going up. Now, | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
that is a long-term challenge, because businesses have not been | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
investing. I was slightly surprised, actually, that the Chancellor did | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
not do anything in his statement to encourage a bit more business | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
investment, to put the recovery on what economists would describe as a | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
more sustainable long-term footing. But there is one other really | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
striking thing in the OBR analysis, which... Well, it was a slightly | :47:26. | :47:32. | |
jaw-dropping thing for me! It says this, right? It talks about the | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
profile of public sector borrowing, going out to 2018 - 2019, when the | :47:38. | :47:43. | |
OBR is saying, by 2018-19, there will be a very small surplus, right? | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
Something we have not seen for years and years and years, but this is the | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
interesting thing. It says around 80% of the reduction is accounted | :47:52. | :47:55. | |
for by lower public spending, austerity to you and me, right? This | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
will take Government consumption of goods and services, a proxy for | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
day-to-day spending on public services and administration, to its | :48:05. | :48:07. | |
smallest share of national income since at least 1948. In other words, | :48:08. | :48:16. | |
as a country, public spending, the portion of GDP that we devote to | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
public spending, we will back at 1948 levels if they had these | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
targets. Now, that is a remarkable change. That is not a cyclical | :48:26. | :48:32. | |
thing, that is a change in what we expect government to do, of a | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
radical form, much bigger than under Margaret Thatcher. The Tories have | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
long dream Dyfed. It is Jeff is only in limited government approach, that | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
is what we are going for. -- Jeff Sony. I was just raising this issue | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
we spotted the glitch in school meals, someone has pointed out, who | :48:53. | :48:57. | |
has read the document, the OBR have said in here that they note that the | :48:58. | :49:03. | |
Treasury have not come up with the money to pay for school meals after | :49:04. | :49:06. | |
the general election. So it will come out of education. They have not | :49:07. | :49:13. | |
come up with the money for some of the tax cuts after the election. Why | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
does it matter? If you assume that the coalition goes on after the | :49:18. | :49:20. | |
election, they would have to cancel those policies or make cuts | :49:21. | :49:26. | |
elsewhere in order to pay for them, and the OBR, the Office for Budget | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
Responsibility, point that out. On the Labour side, Ed Balls, clearly | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
the Tories were determined to give him a bad time, he has to be | :49:35. | :49:42. | |
shouting to be heard, not an edifying time for Parliament. But | :49:43. | :49:45. | |
the attack remains on living standards, cost of living, which is | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
why I suggest the Chancellor is talking about trade fairs and all | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
the rest of it. Where does it leave Labour, if the economy does grow | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
even more strongly next year than the OBR is forecasting, and the Bank | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
of England is more accurate? By that time, surely living standards will | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
be rising. I note the OBR forecast as a point some time next you when | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
average earnings are rising more quickly than prices. He is still | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
banking, Ed Balls, in fact he said that living standards will be lower | :50:16. | :50:24. | |
in 2015 in 2010. It is impossible for living standards to be higher at | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
the typical level, I do not think that is the issue. I think it is | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
whether the blood feeling better off. It is the sense of direction. | :50:32. | :50:39. | |
As a sound bite, Ronald Reagan used this, do you feel better off than | :50:40. | :50:42. | |
you did five years ago? He is confident he will be able to say | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
that, so even if there is a dispute about the numbers, where Labour will | :50:47. | :50:53. | |
do is post about a bombshell, ?1600 does not take into account tax cuts, | :50:54. | :50:57. | |
does not take into account a whole series of things. So the figures are | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
not wrong, but there is a debate about what you should include in | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
those factors. But the calculation that Labour are making is that most | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
people will feel worse off than they did, and certainly most people who | :51:12. | :51:14. | |
are not rich will feel worse off than they did, and therefore a | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
recovery will be meaningless to them in terms of individual personal | :51:19. | :51:21. | |
circumstances, household circumstances. Let's just say, you | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
have alluded to it, but the screaming at Ed Balls is not just | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
childish, as some people think, not just because they dislike him, and | :51:32. | :51:35. | |
the Tories do. It is a tactic. He messed up a previous speech, this | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
was not his finest hour, but it was a deliberate tactic to make him | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
shout, make him look red-faced. It was, at the Americans would say, to | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
discombobulated, and he was a little discombobulated. The Tory election | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
strategists were looking for a return to growth this year, clearly | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
stronger by this autumn, then continued strong growth next year, | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
and even stronger growth in 2015, so they go to the election saying | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
Britain is back, do not lead Labour ruin it. These figures do not quite | :52:10. | :52:13. | |
bear that out, growth next year is not that strong, and it falls back | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
in 2015 on these forecasts. The problem is that this growth is based | :52:18. | :52:24. | |
on a consumer recovery that, frankly, if it continued at these | :52:25. | :52:31. | |
levels, would be dangerous, because British households do still have | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
enormous levels of debt. Down a bit as a share of disposable income, but | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
in absolute money terms still over ?1.5 trillion, an all-time record, | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
and it is not fairly distributed. 5 million households at least are up | :52:46. | :52:50. | |
to their eyeballs in debt. If we saw, essentially, that indebtedness | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
rising, that would be highly worrying. But I have to say there is | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
one thing again in here which will give some comfort to those Tory | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
strategists, and it is that the OBR is saying that, at the end of the | :53:03. | :53:11. | |
forecasting horizon, 2018-19, there is significantly... There is a | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
significant margin for the Government in terms of hitting its | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
debt targets. What does that mean? It means that, if he wants to, and I | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
would put a fair bet that he will want to, if the Chancellor once, in | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
early 2015 in the Budget to promise tax cuts, he can do that, because | :53:31. | :53:33. | |
these forecasts allow him to do that. It would be astonishing if he | :53:34. | :53:39. | |
didn't. Who would even think of a Budget promising tax cuts before an | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
election?! It never happens! You asked whether things could be too | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
good, and a phrase used in the Treasury was Goldilocks, not too | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
hot, not too cold. George Osborne wants to say, we have made progress, | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
it has not been a waste of time, but it is not over yet, I have to carry | :53:57. | :54:02. | |
on cooking the porridge. This is the dilemma for them, isn't it? The | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
things that the Tories cannot make their mind up about is whether they | :54:06. | :54:08. | |
want people to be feeling good or frightened, because if they are | :54:09. | :54:11. | |
frightened, they might take the view they will not vote for them in the | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
circumstances. It is a tactical dilemma. We have plenty of time, we | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
are going to be on air until two o'clock as we analyse this | :54:22. | :54:24. | |
substantial Autumn Statement. Interesting to see that the | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
Chancellor has finally discovered that when he cuts corporation tax, | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
he gets money in, that has been a while coming, interesting that the | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
Treasury is now doing that with his dynamic models. Jo. Going from the | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
Goldilocks analogy to political reaction now, to that speech, we can | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
join Matthew Amroliwala, who is on College Green outside House of | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
Commons. Thank you very much, Lescott a snapshot reaction to what | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
we have heard from Ken Clarke, John McFall, Lord McFaul. -- let's get. | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
Your headline thought in terms of what you have heard? I thought it | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
was a masterful performance, a Chancellor who is on top of the | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
worst financial crisis in modern times, things are improving, he has | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
got common sense, he is calm, the main help these giving is to | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
businesses and young people, all the things that matter. We have a long | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
way to go. Ed Balls has got a lot of chutzpah, but quite a ridiculous | :55:24. | :55:30. | |
position to criticise him. It was a 99% politics, 1% economics show, | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
with 100% theatre, and your own Nick Robinson tweeted that the Tories | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
were shouting and bawling and barracking Ed Balls to make him look | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
as if he was unfit for government. It was all theatre today, not much | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
economics in it. In terms of the big picture, we had George Osborne say | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
that we are going to have grow faster than Germany, faster than | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
America. In those sorts of basics, he is on the right course now, isn't | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
it you might up the economy fell off a cliff, the financial crisis, GDP, | :56:03. | :56:09. | |
the OBR figures indicated it fell 72%. -- 7.2%. We have actually got a | :56:10. | :56:23. | |
debt fuelled economy, and the Governor of the Bank of England only | :56:24. | :56:26. | |
this month said that three quarters of the growth will be by | :56:27. | :56:32. | |
consumption, by housing and by consumers. So that is not a good | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
picture, taking it in the long term. Ken Clarke, one of your | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
colleagues was on the programme earlier, acknowledging that Labour | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
has shifted the whole political debate onto the cost of living. That | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
is a real problem, isn't it? The national indicators are one thing, | :56:51. | :56:54. | |
but real lives are quite different. I do not think they have. There is a | :56:55. | :57:00. | |
cost of living problem, of course, but too exploited by making | :57:01. | :57:03. | |
absolutely absurd suggestions that the government can arbitrarily frees | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
energy bills, whatever happens to the cost of energy, was ridiculous. | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
It has gone beyond just energy, it is how people feel in terms of wages | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
and everything else. Underlying it all, of course, nobody knows | :57:17. | :57:19. | |
anything about macroeconomics and expects to see a sudden surge in | :57:20. | :57:26. | |
living standards. He would not have expected as to bounce back in the | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
first three years. Was Ed Balls wrong to say that people in 2015 | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
will be worse off than when you came to power in 2010? We do not know for | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
certain, but because of the mess we took over, the country has been | :57:40. | :57:42. | |
rendered poorer. The economy crashed by 7%, the currency devalued by 25%, | :57:43. | :57:49. | |
forcing petrol prices up and everything else. There is no doubt | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
it is a slow recovery. George Osborne acknowledged that, and he | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
continued to show the way forward, tackling debt, deficit, tackling the | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
structural problems, getting back to normality. It is nonsense to try to | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
divert people to say it is we will cut your gas bill arbitrarily, which | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
is not changing things. John McFall, in terms of efforts to help, we saw | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
the announcement on energy, a freeze in fuel duty, a cap on business | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
rates, free school meals at primary school, what would you do | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
differently at this stage? We have just got a billboard broadcasting | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
that he was ?1600 was off under David Cameron. So you do not support | :58:30. | :58:37. | |
those things? What David Cameron has done... To adapt Margaret | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
Thatcher's phrase, you may be for you turning, but David Cameron is | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
first in the queue. If it is payday loans, I will do it, plain packaging | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
of cigarettes, energy bills, I will do it. They are not leaving, they | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
are following, that is the problem, Ken. We heard another announcement, | :58:55. | :58:57. | |
another National Infrastructure Plan, and in the Budget programme, | :58:58. | :59:04. | |
Andrew Neil gave Danny Alexander a torrid time asking about delivery | :59:05. | :59:09. | |
on, I think, the third National Infrastructure Plan. Why is it such | :59:10. | :59:12. | |
a problem for government to deliver these things you say you will do? We | :59:13. | :59:18. | |
have an infrastructure system, a legal system, a culture of constant | :59:19. | :59:23. | |
debate and objection. We would not have had the industrial revolution | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
if we had had this system in the early 19th century. The Government | :59:29. | :59:31. | |
has targeted major infrastructure programmes, we are getting them | :59:32. | :59:34. | |
under way, and we are going to be spending more on infrastructure in | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
this decade than we did in Labour's decade, and we are progressing. We | :59:39. | :59:42. | |
have to change the planning system, we have to take more thing through | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
Parliament, rather than years of endless public inquiries, and we | :59:47. | :59:49. | |
have got to make all the proper checks on where we go more | :59:50. | :59:52. | |
sensible. Brunel would never have got started with out the reforms we | :59:53. | :59:59. | |
are bringing in now. On pensions, that announcement bringing forward | :00:00. | :00:03. | |
that we heard about, how can I put this delicately, perhaps both of you | :00:04. | :00:07. | |
are champions of working later in dual careers, but we were talking to | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
the TUC earlier, and they are saying, what has changed in terms of | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
data on life expectancy to bring forward this proposal? Is it purely | :00:17. | :00:22. | |
about politics and money? This was responsible government in the | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
national interest. When my generation were working to pay the | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
pensioners of our day, most of them only to their pension for three or | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
four years. We greatly outnumbered the pensioners we were paying for. | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
Our children, our grandchildren, they cannot pay people a state | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
pension for 30 years when the pensioners will outnumber the | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
working people. It is common sense. We have seen it with infrastructure, | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
Ken was pathetic at trying to explain infrastructure. We need a | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
serious examination on pensions to see if there is an intergenerational | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
bias. Yes, we have got problems because of an ageing population. We | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
need to have analysis, we just can't have sound bites. That was a 99% | :01:06. | :01:14. | |
politics presentation. When you left office... Infrastructure... We can't | :01:15. | :01:23. | |
have excuses after three years. We have got to leave it there, you can | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
continue to argue the point. We have to go back to the studio. | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
They will probably still be arguing when we go back to them. We are | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
joined by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander, welcome | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
to this Daily Politics special. You have got a recovery but it is a | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
recovery without export growth and with business investment in | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
decline. That therefore means it is unsustainable. I don't agree the | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
recovery is unsustainable. You are certainly right to say that this | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
country, as George Osborne said, has to do a lot more to grow our | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
exports, especially when our major export remains depressed, the | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
eurozone. The forecast there is for continued very slow economic | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
activity, which is why we are working hard to expand trade in | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
places like China. On business investment, if you look at the OBR | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
forecast, you are right that it has been much slower than anticipated | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
but they also forecast growing business investment. It is one of | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
the things I have been talking about. The only way you can get | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
sustainable improvements on living standards is with a strong economy | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
matched by rising productivity. Business investment is one of the | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
missing ingredients which is why we are putting so much pressure on | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
businesses to invest. What will encourage businesses to invest? The | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
measures on business rates are there to support small businesses. A lot | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
of the investment will need to come from the small business sector. The | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
Treasury coppers have about ?750 billion in them. -- coffers. What | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
did the Chancellor do that would unlock that money? On business | :03:06. | :03:13. | |
investment, there is about ?500 billion sitting on the corporate | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
balance sheets, it has risen ?125 billion. Why won't they invest? We | :03:19. | :03:26. | |
are starting to see signs of that investment. Six Britain's largest | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
insurance companies pledged to divide billion pounds of investment | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
in UK infrastructure, it is a welcome vote of confidence in the UK | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
economy. One of the tests over the next 12 months will be, do we start | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
to see businesses investing some of that cash. We are starting to see | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
more investment because of better growth, we are seeing the UK | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
performed better than other countries around the world. A lot of | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
our conversations with business are about the need for businesses to | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
invest, making sure we have a tax regime that helps to make this a | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
good place to invest. You mention the insurance fund, six of them have | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
agreed to invest 25 billion. How will that be any different from the | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
pension funds that you told us had agreed to invest 20 billion? So far | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
they have committed one billion and not 1p has been spent. I would say | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
there has been good progress made on the pension fund issue. How much has | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
been spent? It takes pension funds a long time to put in place these | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
arrangements, they are investing billions of pounds this year and | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
more India is to come. They haven't -- more in the years to come. They | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
haven't spent a penny yet. It is for the pension funds to make decisions | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
for themselves but for the first time, those funds have created a | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
vehicle which enables them to invest in British infrastructure. For the | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
insurance companies, the difference is the successful negotiations we | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
had in Brussels... I have heard you talk about them before, by getting a | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
successful outcome we have unlock the opportunity for those insurance | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
Company is to invest. Hearing some of them talk about it yesterday, it | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
is clear they want to get on with it because they see it as a crucial | :05:15. | :05:22. | |
part of being able to fulfil their duties to their members. Why will | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
they be quicker than pension funds? Pension funds had to create a new | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
vehicle. In the UK, by and large, they are too small to invest in | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
infrastructure by themselves. Why didn't you go to the insurance | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
companies first? Because the regulations, which were uncertain | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
and we were trying to win the negotiations in Brussels, were | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
holding them back. The original proposals would have stopped them | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
investing. Having won the argument we are unlocking ?25 billion of | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
investment. It is not one to be criticised. Isn't the poster boy for | :05:57. | :06:04. | |
you approach to infrastructure the a 14? You came into power come you | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
cancelled the plan to upgrade the A14. You then decided to revive it | :06:09. | :06:15. | |
but as a toll road, you then announced you're going to do what | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
you got back in 2010, you are going to build the A14 of the government | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
purse without tolls and it is going to cost 200 million more than if you | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
started in 2010. After all this, not a single shovel has hit the ground. | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
There have been a lot of things to sort out on the A14. A lot of | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
planning and negotiation with the ports and developers who want to | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
build housing along that route. We have also worked with the highways | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
agency to speed up their processes so it will not take as long to build | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
as if we built it under the procedures in 2010 that we | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
inherited. If I am to be criticised to listening to the responses to | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
because will take on and deciding not to go ahead, I disagree. You | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
said it was simply unaffordable under any reasonable future funding | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
scenario, and now you are building it. Because we have taken tough | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
decisions on current spending, we have held it down. In June I was | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
able to set out a ?100 billion plan to invest in roads and railways and | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
in the structure that matters. We are able to afford precisely that. | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
When will the good people of Felixstowe be able to drive on the | :07:25. | :07:32. | |
road? The road will -- the work will start in 2016. Things like nuclear | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
power stations and offshore wind turbines and massive road | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
investments, they can't be suddenly delivered overnight. We have | :07:43. | :07:50. | |
completed 30 Six Rd projects, 350 flood defences, 150 railway stations | :07:51. | :08:03. | |
-- 36 road projects. ?46 billion has been invested per year on average on | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
infrastructure compared to an average of 41 billion under the last | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
government. The ABI says that by 2019, real spending on goods and | :08:15. | :08:22. | |
services will be back to levels we have not seen since 1948. What do | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
you think the colleagues in your party, the Liberal Democrats, will | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
think about that? I am not sure I know precisely what figure you are | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
referring to. It is repeated several times. Two things. Total government | :08:37. | :08:45. | |
spending in 2018-19 will be at the same level in 2009. It is a lot to | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
do with welfare going up, slow growth of the economy. You have | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
asked me long winded questions and I am trying to give you short answer. | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
There will be choices about the further steps in deficit reduction, | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
do we do it through departmental spending, further reductions in | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
costs, raising more taxes on wealthy people? What we are committed to and | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
what the Conservatives are committed to is the path of deficit reduction. | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
The precise com position of what the government does in 2016-17 and | :09:20. | :09:26. | |
2018-19 will be a matter to be set out in the manifestoes of both | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
parties. We did not hear word from Labour about the economy or their | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
commitment to the continuing, what is underpinning this economy which | :09:35. | :09:43. | |
is a firm plan... There was a talk of a charter for budget | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
responsibility. It sounded like a trap, pre-election, from the Labour | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
Party and Ed Balls, that you hope he will fall into. What is it that you | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
and the Tories are prepared to agree on in that charter? There already is | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
a charter for budget responsible to comment as part of the founding | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
legislation of the OBR, it needs to be updated every so often. Our | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
fiscal mandate is a rolling one over a five-year period. Should we | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
shorten that period? That might be something we can do to bind the | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
country into dealing with its financial problems on a responsible | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
timescale. Other measures we could take to firm up the commitment to | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
the path of deficit reduction... It will not be about this tax measure | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
or that spending measure, it will be about trying to make sure that as a | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
country, we have a firm Parliamentary commitment to that | :10:37. | :10:37. | |
timetable. It is not quite a law because the | :10:38. | :10:49. | |
current budget responsibility act or Eddie has a charter in it. It will | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
be updating the charter to reflect current conditions -- already has a | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
charter in it. How worried are you that the growth that we are seeing | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
now is based primarily on increased consumer spending, more personal | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
private debt and a housing bubble? I don't accept that is a fair | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
characterisation of the growth we are seeing now. One of the things I | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
am concerned about, and have been talking about a lot over the last | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
few months, is the need for business investment to kick in and start | :11:19. | :11:20. | |
responding to better economic conditions. That is one of the keys | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
to ensuring we get better productivity. I am pleased that we | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
are seeing a recovery not just in consumer spending but in the | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
construction sector, manufacturing sector. The last two quarters of | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
growth, strong wrist in the developed world. We are fairly even | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
in the composition as between the major sectors of the economy. There | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
is some balance but we need to make sure it continues. Business | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
investment is the key. The accept that a recovery largely based on | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
consumer spending, as it is at the moment, the one thing almost back to | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
2008 levels, do you accept it is unsustainable when median pay levels | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
have fallen to what they were like in 2003. I think what you are | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
referring to is the fact that the service sector is a large proportion | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
of our economy, it has been the case for a while. We therefore need to | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
see strong recovery in services if we are to see a strong economic | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
recovery in this country. There are a number of things we have been | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
doing to make sure we have more disposable income in our pockets. | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
Cutting income tax. Next April we will reach the Liberal Democrats | :12:29. | :12:36. | |
promise of ?10,000 allowance, putting several hundred pounds back | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
in people's pockets. Making it several p a litre less develop your | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
tank of fuel than it would have done under Labour. All of which by | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
helping people with disposable income. By the start of 2015, will | :12:49. | :12:59. | |
people be better off than in 2010? There is some good analysis in the | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
Autumn Statement document about this. You are right to say, and this | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
is a consequence of the depth of the economic crisis, that pay levels | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
have been suppressed. It is also true that household disposable | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
income, that reflects the tax measures I have been describing, has | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
been rising come albeit very slowly. It fell in 2011. It did. My view is | :13:20. | :13:27. | |
that we need to keep working and taking difficult decisions elsewhere | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
so that we can afford to do things like further increases in the | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
personal allowance. One thing this government will not do is as the | :13:34. | :13:40. | |
economy recovers, start frittering away the gains on short-term | :13:41. | :13:48. | |
measures. I would like an answer to my question. I thought I had answer | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
it. It was simple and you did not answer it. Will people be better off | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
by the start of 2015 in 2010? It will depend on individual | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
circumstances. On average! There are 1.4 million people in work compared | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
to... I know that. Those people are better off. There is a ?40 billion | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
commitment by this government. I didn't think I was going to get an | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
answer. I thought it was an answer. Just not a good one. Not a good | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
question, I would say. You better get an answer, it will be asked a | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
lot! The office of budget responsibility have actually made a | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
specific note that you haven't put in your books, any money for free | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
school meals after the election, the removal of the cap on student | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
numbers after the election, any money for some of the tax cuts after | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
the election. Aren't you making commitments that people would assume | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
our long term, but not coming up with the cash? They are scored in | :15:00. | :15:07. | |
the first year of the next Parliament, and beyond that we have | :15:08. | :15:09. | |
made an assumption about the total amount of spending, but because | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
there are no public expenditure totals for those years, the costs | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
sit within that. Equally, they also note that there are savings to be | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
made in the spending round, which we scored this time. The policy we | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
announced then on keeping social rent increases lower, that saves | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
money on welfare bills, that was not scored, so the pressure on those | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
future years is much less than people might assume, but those costs | :15:33. | :15:35. | |
have to be found from within the overall envelope. Make it one the | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
Chief Secretary will think is a good question! That is blatantly | :15:42. | :15:52. | |
impossible! I am so sorry! What the OBR says is the single most | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
important judgment is that productivity, output per worker in | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
this country is going to Wright. Without that, this recovery will not | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
be sustainable and these fiscal numbers will be blown up. I agree | :16:05. | :16:12. | |
with that judgment, by the way. It is striking that many people will | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
say there was nothing announced by the Chancellor today that is going | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
to do anything to help productivity. Where are the measures to help with | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
investment? The two biggest differences in productivity are | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
infrastructure and skills. We have a massive expansion in | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
apprenticeships, extra measures to help 16 and 17-year-olds, and that | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
will help productivity. Not over the next two or three years. The big | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
investment in infrastructure, that raises productivity. All of those | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
things help productivity, as will Andrew's point. Was that a good | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
question? That was a great question! He is going to be the nest economics | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
editor. Is he really? Congratulations. I will be watching | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
the show from the South of France! Take that! Danny Alexander, Chief | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
Secretary to the Treasury, thank you very much for being on this Daily | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
Politics special. Shall I give out the gold stars now? Just to the new | :17:19. | :17:26. | |
economics editor! We can get some more political reaction now if we | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
let Danny Alexander go and talk to Stewart Hosie of the SNP and Elfyn | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
Llwyd of life Camry, both in Central Lobby, and they no doubt heard some | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
of what Danny Alexander said. -- Clyde Camry. Let's ask you, Stewart | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
Hosie, the economy is growing faster than any developed economy, the | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
deficit is coming down, Britain could be building a surplus, what is | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
not to like? If that were remotely true, it would be fantastic. The | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
problem is that GDP growth forecast means that the economy is 2.5% lower | :18:00. | :18:06. | |
than before the crash. The modest improvement in employment is to be | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
welcomed but it is almost unchanged since this Government came to | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
power, still 1 million people unemployed compared to pre-crash. | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
George Osborne said the borrowing figures have fallen to 111 billion, | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
still 15 billion more than he promised in his first Budget only | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
three years ago. He has failed on every single one of the targets he | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
has given himself. Despite what Stewart Hosie says, Elfyn Llwyd, | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
growth is back and it is actually going to be stronger than initially | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
forecast. One of the things that the Chancellor announced as a trade-off | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
was a rise in the state pension age, before you can get your state | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
pension, is that justifiable? We don't think so, because we thought | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
the 68-69 level was bad enough, but the announcement now of 70 years of | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
age is utterly unfair. I will tell you why, because in some | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
underprivileged areas of the UK, and I name for example the South Wales | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
valleys, might expectancy is as low as 75, though Izzie saying you will | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
give an old-age pension of five years' pension before he or she | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
passes away? It is not on. You are sticking to your public spending | :19:17. | :19:18. | |
commitments in that independence referendum, you will commit to that | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
level of public spending in years to come due back I am not quite sure | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
what you mean by that stopped the Scottish Government has laid out | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
certain things we would like to see done, but the economic situation we | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
inherit when we become independent is the economic situation we | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
inherit. Decisions will need to be taken by subsequent Scottish | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
Government. Are you making promises you cannot keep already? Absolutely | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
not, we have laid out very clearly things like removing the bedroom | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
tax, which is completely iniquitous, so the pledges which have been made | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
have been made, but we need to look in detail at the economic situation | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
we inherit in 2016. What about business rates? The Chancellor has | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
got a cap on the increase in business rates at 2%, what will you | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
do? I think that is welcome, a very sensible move forward, and can I say | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
as well there are two good things in this, the national insurance holiday | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
to bring youngsters into work, that is not at all a bad idea. And also | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
increased tax avoidance measures, all these things for the good, I do | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
think that is right. But overall the problem we have is there is | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
considerable growth where we are now, but in other parts of the UK is | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
cannot be seen anywhere. What about business rates? What about your | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
government in Scotland? Interest-rate are completely | :20:47. | :20:48. | |
devolved, and some of the measures he announced today for sees Scottish | :20:49. | :20:55. | |
businesses paying less business rates. -- is this rates are | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
completely devolved. I am sure the Scottish Government will look at | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
what there may be from this measure, and they will then determine whether | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
action on business rates is the best way to stimulator economic growth, | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
or whether the money can be used in a different way, but that is a | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
decision for the Scottish Government. But you will get less | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
money from the Barnett formula as a result. The Government announced a | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
modest increase because of the Barnett formula, I have not seen the | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
numbers, so we need to work out precisely what that means, taking | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
into consideration that even if there is a modest increase in | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
revenues bending, it will barely dent the massive cuts we have had in | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
revenue and capital over the last three years. -- revenue spending. | :21:38. | :21:45. | |
My little gremlins have just pointed out to me that, hidden in the | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
figures, there is an extra 11 billion due to be sent to what is | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
called EU institutions over the next five years, an extra 11 billion, | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
just wait until Peter Bone finds out! Look, it has just gone one | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
o'clock, seven minutes past, to be exact, you are watching live | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
coverage and analysis of the Chancellor's Autumn Statement here | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
on the Daily Politics special. Let's take a look if you are breaking for | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
lunch and have a Sammut and copy by your side, let's take a look at what | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
was announced by the Chancellor. -- a sandwich. The Office for Budget | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
Responsibility's forecasts are here, saying that growth will be stronger | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
than it thought, 1.4% this year, pretty much a consensus. 2.4% on | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
2014, it has had to up that as well, but then dipping to 2.2% in 2015, a | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
bit of a surprise, and that will merit some investigation why it goes | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
down and not towards 3%. Borrowing, as a result of this growth, the | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
Government gets more tax revenue, fewer people are unemployed, it | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
helps, borrowing comes down below what was forecast in March, down to | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
111 billion for this fiscal year. The next fiscal year starting in | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
April 2014, down to 96 billion, then down to 79 billion in the election | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
year, 2015. Even by 2015, it is a lot, and originally the Chancellor | :23:15. | :23:17. | |
had hoped there would be no deficit by 2015. It is still 79 billion. As | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
a result of this fall in the deficit, though, the OBR are saying | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
that there could be a small surplus by 2018-19. That is interesting, I | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
would counsel caution here, because nobody really has an idea what the | :23:33. | :23:40. | |
deficit will be by then. These estimates have always been wrong, | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
but it is interesting when they are within shouting distance. The | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
national debt continue to rise because we are still racking up the | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
deficit for the next few years, and it is expected now to beat a little | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
lower than earlier, 80% of GDP by 2015-16. As Robert pointed out | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
earlier, that is the British Treasury definition. If you take the | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
Maastricht definition for the European Union under the treaty | :24:04. | :24:06. | |
which allows you to compare our deficit with deficit in other major | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
European economies, it is actually around 100%, rather than 80%, a lot | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
more. Unemployment is to fall to 7% in 2015, 5.6% in 2018, and that has | :24:18. | :24:24. | |
always been a key political figure, but all the more so now because the | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
Governor of the Bank of England has says that when unemployment gets | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
down to 7%, he will look at raising interest rates. At least that is a | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
possible trigger to do that. While the Chancellor was delivering his | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
statement, we discovered that the bank has decided to keep interest | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
rates at 0.5%, the historic low, and to keep quantitative easing, the | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
printing of money electronically, at ?375 billion. No surprises there . | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
Those are the headlines at the Chancellor announced, back to | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
Susannah Streeter, who is at the Trafford Centre in Greater | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
Manchester. Susannah. Hello, yes, we heard from the | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
Chancellor that the economic plan is working, but is that really being | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
felt here in the north-west of England? I am at the Trafford | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
Centre, which is a real temple of retail, and this is a very important | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
time of the year for businesses in the run-up to Christmas. Of course, | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
all the signs are good, growth has returned to the economy with a | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
vengeance since March, unemployment is steadily falling, but with | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
productivity low and wages stagnant, is it all good news? Let's have a | :25:35. | :25:42. | |
chat with Kevin from Unison, what is your main concern? The Chancellor | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
made no mention whatsoever of pay. Britain needs a pay rise. Real | :25:48. | :25:50. | |
earnings in Britain are at 2003 levels, ?53 billion has been removed | :25:51. | :25:58. | |
from the national pay packet, and we need an increase in earnings in this | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
country if we are to have growth. The Government says it has to be | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
responsible and live within its means. That will ring hollow with | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
people here in the north-west to have struggled to live within | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
limited means. Tens of thousands of people are using food banks in this | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
region, and what we need is to ensure that as as the economy grows, | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
workers who sustained so much pain during this period have their share | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
of economic growth. Thank you very much, a lot of people are hoping to | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
get onto the housing market, they were looking for some kind of | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
announcements to help them as well, and the national Stacey Asian of | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
estate agents -- the national Association of estate agents is | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
here. We were hoping for something on stamp duty, we will continue to | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
campaign for a reduction or form on stamp duty, because it inhibits | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
movements of houses. -- reduction or reform. Putting ?1 billion behind | :26:55. | :27:06. | |
the scheme should see some movement on affordable homes. What will the | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
impact the capital gains on those nonresidents who sell second homes? | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
I think the impact will be minimal, because those who are buying second | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
homes are buying them for the long-term, not the short-term. And | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
you think it is just going to affect the south-east. I think the | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
predominantly, yes, but certainly when the Chancellor was talking | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
about house price inflation, even in 2018, 3% below the high, that shows | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
they recognise there is not a bubble nationally. Mark Heywood, many | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
thanks. Throughout the programme we have been asking for your comments, | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
opinions and questions about what the Chancellor had to say. Paul | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
Lewis from the BBC's Moneybox has been taking those questions, what | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
are people saying to you? People are very concerned about the rising | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
state pension age. Adrian says, by the time I retire, it could be 71. | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
If you are a teenager, that might be the case. If you are in your 50s, it | :28:03. | :28:10. | |
will be 67. If you are in your 20s, it will be 70. People have been | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
making the point that people do not magically remain fit just because | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
the Government raises the pension age. I have asked weeks from people | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
in their 60s who cannot work or get a pension, people are very worried | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
about that. Comments about the marriage tax allowance. Strangely, | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
Karen tweeted to say, I presume that is her husband, I will not be | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
claiming the married tax break it is insulting and discriminatory. It | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
could be ?200 the year when one partner does not pay tax, but she is | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
going to turn it down. There will be lots more comments coming through, | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
how do people get in touch? On the BBC website, you can text, 61124, | :28:51. | :29:00. | |
and you can tweet me. Lovely, Paul Lewis, thank you very much. Yet at | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
the Trafford Centre, we have not seen any empty shops, but up and | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
down the country there are plenty, and the Chancellor's plans for | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
business rate relief and discounts will be debated very strongly | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
amongst those small businesses. We will be getting reaction from them a | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
little bit later, finding out whether they think it will help them | :29:19. | :29:27. | |
to revitalise town centres. Let's see how Mr Osborne's statement has | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
gone down in the city. Give us your first reaction. It is a not rocking | :29:33. | :29:39. | |
the boat statement as everyone was hoping for, a good indication of how | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
sentiment is is what the pound does on the foreign exchange market. We | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
saw very little movement in that. I think people are glad that we are | :29:49. | :29:54. | |
sticking to the plan as it is now. And maybe the forecasts were the | :29:55. | :29:57. | |
more surprising part of the statement today. In terms of some of | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
the measures, will there be people in the city who will be nervous | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
about the measures on tax avoidance, capital gains tax imposed on | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
nonresidents who sell residential property in the UK from next year? | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
It has been a talking point. If we look at the London market as a | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
bubble, we are seeing incredible growth still at the high-end of the | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
London housing market. Many people are thinking, is it going to mark a | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
top? We have seen plenty of foreign money buying London property as a | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
safe haven and maybe that will start to struggle. In terms of worries | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
about boom and bust, Abe returned to those sorts of economics -- a | :30:38. | :30:45. | |
return? It is always a worry. We can't describe what we have been in | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
as a boom, there is still concern about the housing markets. They are | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
seeing this as a steady pair of hands to hopefully continue the | :30:55. | :30:56. | |
growth that we have seen over the prior six months. There are some to | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
the right of the Tory Party who would have said, you are saving | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
money because borrowing is down, why not use that money for tax cuts, why | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
not stimulate the economy in that way? I think most people like to see | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
a tax cut. Maybe he has one eye on the election and he is thinking, | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
maybe I will do this nearer the election. Maybe it is something for | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
the Budget prior to the election. I think maybe that is why we're not | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
seeing the tax cuts there. Thank you. | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
It looks like the capital gains tax on foreign owners is going to raise | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
all of ?15 million in 2015. Which I think gets you about a one-bedroom | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
flat in Knightsbridge. A couple of basements in Kensington. Alan? -- | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
what about bull? -- the pound is now trading above ?1 | :31:53. | :32:13. | |
63. We had this cut in the valuation but it can't be helpful that it is | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
at that level. It is not good news for exporters. Broadly what happened | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
which is a bit of a pain, many people say that when sterling fell, | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
rather than aggressively seeking out new markets and seeking advantage of | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
the competitiveness that was on offer, lots of company simply pushed | :32:34. | :32:36. | |
up their margins and banked bigger profits. It is not a bad thing | :32:37. | :32:44. | |
except that they then sat on those profits, rather than investing them. | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
Plainly, as you go into what we hope is a sustainable economic upturn, | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
you would want them to start investing them. If their profits are | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
being squeezed by the strength of the pound, you probably won't, so it | :32:58. | :33:05. | |
is not Holywell come. -- holy welcome -- it is not wholly welcome. | :33:06. | :33:14. | |
To get a reaction to the changes to the pension age, we can join Dave | :33:15. | :33:23. | |
Harvey at a business in Swindon. They are flat out making cardboard | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
boxes. Haven't seen any red boxes come off yet. The growth of 1.4% | :33:29. | :33:34. | |
means places like this are much busier. Because as Britain's | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
manufacturing industry gets busier, they make more staff. Have a look | :33:40. | :33:46. | |
through here, it is rammed to the rafters with cardboard boxes for all | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
kinds of industry. As you say, for the staff, it is another five years | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
making boxes. Lisa and Matt are here for up looking forward to working | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
until you are 70? No, it is not a thought I want to think about, the | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
thought of working for the next 45 years does not please me. Where do | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
they draw the line? Next time there is a speech, why not another year or | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
two years? Then you are paying into a pension and you don't know when | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
you're going to withdraw the funds. Was it a surprise? I don't think | :34:21. | :34:26. | |
so. Most people would have expected it. I agree with Lisa but I can't | :34:27. | :34:33. | |
say I am surprised. Let's speak to Stella from mainline recruitment. | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
You are seeing more people getting work now. Definitely, we are seeing | :34:39. | :34:46. | |
more jobs, a variety of sectors are busier, temporary and permanent | :34:47. | :34:48. | |
positions, much busier than it has been. We are all talking about in 30 | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
years but people are already working until they are 70. Lots of people | :34:54. | :35:00. | |
are not retiring early and are still working at 70 plus. It means that | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
younger people can't get through the door and there are not so many job | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
vacancies. The other knock-on effect of this, companies like this, the | :35:09. | :35:15. | |
guy who runs the place was saying, how do you manage people out when | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
that they can't do a factory job and they can't hear so well. It is | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
difficult, it is not just about age but capability and a lot of | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
companies have to move people around if they are not able to work in the | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
warehouse. It becomes another burden for the businesses sometimes. Thank | :35:32. | :35:39. | |
you for those reflections. No one is exactly celebrating working until | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
they are 70 but this place is seeing that growth we heard about, although | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
no one is really opening the champagne yet. You shouldn't drink | :35:48. | :35:52. | |
champagne at work anyway! We are joined by Paul Johnson, the director | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
of the Institute for Fiscal Studies. Give me your headline thoughts, what | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
have we missed? What is the slight of hand in the book rest | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
the overall story is as we have seen. The OBR said the underlying | :36:07. | :36:18. | |
deficit is exactly where it was, just that we will get to where we | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
want to a bit faster in terms of the actual... What he has called the | :36:23. | :36:29. | |
structural deficit. Exactly. A couple of things are rather | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
interesting. One is that we don't see the additional spending | :36:33. | :36:39. | |
commitments scored after 2015-16. We have seen that before. It is one of | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
these rather difficult things about the way the Treasury scores its | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
numbers and thinks about public spending. It lives in this kind of | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
world in which it acts as if it believes that nothing it says now is | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
committing itself in the long run. That is how spending reviews have | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
always worked. We saw this in the budget in terms of the funding for | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
social care and child care. We saw it in terms of the changes to | :37:07. | :37:09. | |
funding for national insurance contributions. It means even bigger | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
pressures on public spending going forward than you will see in these | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
numbers. The surplus may be a fiction? It means there is more to | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
be done with in the extremely tight spending cuts. The cuts remain at | :37:25. | :37:33. | |
the same level, you need to fit more staff within the same envelope. What | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
is your take on the claim of Ed Balls that on average, we are ?1600 | :37:40. | :37:46. | |
worse off? Household incomes are significantly lower in real terms | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
than before the recession. It is hardly surprising. We have had the | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
biggest recession in 100 years, national income went down by 7%, it | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
is still below where it was. That is part of what is going on. In a | :38:01. | :38:09. | |
sense, the plus side of this is despite the fact that national | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
income is below where it was in 2008, employment levels are much | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
higher. There are not so many people out of work as you would expect. | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
Everyone in work really has felt a significant and historically big | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
squeeze on their incomes. You were about to tell me there was a slight | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
of hand with the student loan book. What is going on there? It is not | :38:34. | :38:40. | |
necessarily slight of hand but it is the way these kinds of figures work. | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
The Chancellor said he is going to sell off the student loan book. It | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
is worth money in the sense that students will be paying back their | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
loans in the future. In the real sense, that is a neutral thing for | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
the government. It sells off something which would get it some | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
money in the future. But he is saying, I am going to take that | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
money and use it to pay for more students to come in. He is going to | :39:05. | :39:11. | |
use that money to pay for extra students. But by selling the loan | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
book, he has not made the public sector any better off, but he has | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
increased the amount he has to spend on the surplus. Have real household | :39:20. | :39:29. | |
disposable income is gone up? The Chancellor uses that phrase | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
deliberately. Real household disposable income is rising. As I | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
understand it, it is an aggregate figure, putting everybody in the | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
country together and saying that because more people are in jobs, | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
overall incomes are up. How do you make sense of the difference between | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
that claim and acclaim from Labour that households are on average ?1600 | :39:48. | :39:54. | |
worse off. Can they both be true? Probably not, the chief secretary is | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
using a number produced by the Office for National Statistics which | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
has a lot of things in it, including some money which is not in the | :40:03. | :40:09. | |
household sector. It uses different deflators, it is not using CPI but | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
other measures and it is put together in a way that probably only | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
a few people in the ONS actually understand. The other statistics | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
that one sees, which are less conferencing and less up-to-date, | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
but we do understand, our first that we know for sure that household | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
incomes on average were falling up to about 18 months ago, there is no | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
reason to believe they have increased much since then. And we | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
know that average earnings have been falling. There are different sets of | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
statistic that people are flinging at each other. The 1600 figure is | :40:44. | :40:51. | |
telling in the difference between the rise in wages and the higher | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
rise in prices. When you do that, real wages have been falling against | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
prices. The government would argue that the measures should be wider | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
and take into account the tax cuts, the council tax freeze and so on. | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
What can we use as journalists, as a measure to hold the politicians to | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
account? You have different things affecting different people. Wages | :41:13. | :41:15. | |
have increased much less quickly than inflation. That is not | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
surprising. We have had a great recession, the biggest recession in | :41:20. | :41:26. | |
100 years. It would be astonishing if household income had not fallen. | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
Earnings have fallen by a bit more for people in work because there are | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
more people in work. More of us are in work producing less stuff. You | :41:36. | :41:47. | |
have said the typical disposable income of a British person is at | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
2003 levels, when do you think it is going to be back at where it was at | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
the start of this Parliament? It doesn't that like it will be back | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
there by 2015. -- doesn't look like. It depends significantly on | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
what happens to earnings. I haven't looked at the most recent earnings | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
figures but if you eat use last year's OBR, expectations about what | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
is happening to earnings and we plug in what is happening to taxes and | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
social security, it looks like in 2015 people will be no better off | :42:21. | :42:28. | |
than in 2001. There is a slight dip in the growth forecast, is that | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
significant or is it just one of those statistical things that you | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
have to live with, it goes down and back up again? It is telling us a | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
bit about why the OBR is saying that growth is higher this year than | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
next. It is essentially cyclical, we get the growth now and as a result | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
we get less growth later on. Overall they are not saying any more growth | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
in the economy in steady state over the long run. We are getting it now | :42:56. | :43:07. | |
rather than later. Since the OBR has been consistently wrong, why should | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
we take any notice? Every forecast ever has been consistently wrong! | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
That is the nature of forecasting. You take the growth for this year, | :43:19. | :43:26. | |
they have gone back to where they were in the Autumn Statement in | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
2012, which is when they were forecasting this. This is the | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
serious point of my question. Just as the economy was beginning to turn | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
in March of this year, around budget time, the OBR cut its forecast from | :43:41. | :43:48. | |
1.4, to 0.6. And now back again in December of this year, it is back to | :43:49. | :43:58. | |
1.4. Why take it seriously? You have to look at these things. I talked to | :43:59. | :44:06. | |
a lot of people who do economic forecasting and about May or June, | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
people suddenly got cheerful. In March, the OBR were very good | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
company. They didn't see the recovery. Isn't that right? They | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
didn't. There is something a bit odd about short-term forecasting. | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
Because as you point out, it is not just the OBR, although it has been | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
very visible. You never get it right. The worry about it is that it | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
is off the back of these wrong fluctuating forecasts that | :44:40. | :44:42. | |
government makes some quite important decisions. About tax and | :44:43. | :44:50. | |
spend. It isn't something that one regards as completely trivial, but | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
it is a problem. They have not change the structural place that the | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
economy is in and that is what determines the choices. The thing | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
that really will affect the political debate, if you get rid of | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
all this chat about forecasts and so on, essentially they have said the | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
problem is just as it was before. It does not matter that we are growing | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
faster, the deficit problem is exactly what it was before. Is that | :45:17. | :45:23. | |
right? The deficit problem is, in long-term structural terms, is the | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
same as it was nine months ago, much bigger than it was three years ago. | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
No great change, and that is why the Chancellor has been careful to say | :45:32. | :45:34. | |
that the bits of money he is giving away, he is also taking back. Wobbly | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
politically helpful, because George Osborne has got the thing he wanted, | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
growth is more than expected, his plan is working, but the whole is | :45:45. | :45:48. | |
just as big as it was, so the problem is just as big, therefore | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
the job must be carried on. That prediction that many people will | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
struggle to understand the detail of the structural deficit, that is | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
politically quite helpful for him. The question I was dragged to ask, | :46:02. | :46:04. | |
do you agree with the OBR that this recovery is purely cyclical and that | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
therefore the underlying problem of public finances is as bad as it ever | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
was? Well, we do not get into this mugs game! Can I say, I think there | :46:16. | :46:28. | |
is a vacancy in the market?! Is boss used to run the IFS! He knows that, | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
and I certainly knew it! Tell him I was asking for him. You might be | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
frightened by that prospect. Let's find out how the statement is being | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
written up, two of Fleet Street's finest with Matthew. | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
I am joined on College Green by Elizabeth Rigby from the Financial | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
Times and Kevin Maguire from the Mirror, thank you for your time, | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
what will you be writing? What we will be writing is that this was the | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
victory speech of George Osborne, if you like. Growth figures, biggest | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
growth since the millennium, calling a surplus toward the end of the | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
decade, and so this was the moment where his plan was proved right, his | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
Conservative backbenchers, their tails were up, and I think it was a | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
very positive story for him, more uncomfortable for Labour. Kevin. It | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
was a bit like Paul Potts, ignoring the last three and a half years, | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
downgrading forecasts. There is a big battle at home between | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
Conservative and Labour, a lot of people will be watching and thinking | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
we are talking about this great economy that seems to be booming, | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
but I am not feeling it. On the cost of living, Elizabeth, George Osborne | :47:42. | :47:48. | |
spooked Gordon Brown when he was back in opposition on inheritance | :47:49. | :47:50. | |
tax, spooked him enough not to call a general election. Did Ed Miliband | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
do the same for this government on cost of living? On fuel prices and | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
just broadly, I think they have, and the point about today, what George | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
Osborne is trying to do, saying, here is the economics, giving | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
something back for the next budget. Do you think people sitting on a | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
sober think about microeconomics? I think that's the thing is that you | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
want to hit with tax cuts when it has most potency for boaters, and I | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
would suggest that next year, before the election or just six months | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
before is when he does that. -- voters. Isn't the problem for | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
Labour, on the biggest use, welfare, immigration, they have got it wrong | :48:36. | :48:38. | |
and are being forced to change policy? On the bedroom tax, they | :48:39. | :48:44. | |
have not. On the economy, it depends how you look at it and which bits | :48:45. | :48:49. | |
you look at, because people do feel that their standard of living is | :48:50. | :48:52. | |
falling, because it is. There has only been one month when wages have | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
gone up more than prices, that was when bankers held over their bonuses | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
to cash in on the tax cuts which George Osborne provided. It is a | :49:01. | :49:03. | |
battle for the hearts and minds, the wallets and purses of Britain, but | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
Labour was talking the language of ordinary people, and it is the | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
Conservatives who sounds like 1930s Stalinist officials talking about | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
pig iron production in the Ukraine! There is strong growth, the fastest | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
in the G7 predicted for next year, is the problem, though, | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
sustainability? A lot of that growth potentially around housing, around | :49:26. | :49:29. | |
consumer spending is out of savings. Beyond the headline speech | :49:30. | :49:35. | |
and the headline figures today, in the OBR statement which was the | :49:36. | :49:37. | |
independent statement on the government figures, there is a sign | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
that there is a housing bubble emerging. There has been concerns | :49:42. | :49:46. | |
over the right to buy scheme, the Help To Buy scheme, sorry, and if | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
you look at it, it looks from the OBR forecast that house prices could | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
start hitting the peaks we saw in 2007. Just a final thought from both | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
of you, this argument we have heard played out in the Commons is the | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
ideal and we will see over the next 18 months leading into the general | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
election. Isn't the problem we will have the election and the winner is | :50:09. | :50:11. | |
posterity? There will be much more of this coming. Labour would have | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
had an austere period, although bizarrely George Osborne is doing | :50:16. | :50:17. | |
what Alistair Darling said in terms of the deficit. He was go to clear | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
it all this parliament, now it is going to be 2019. Andrew Neil at | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, early on the | :50:27. | :50:29. | |
programme, will people be better off in 2015 and 2010? Danny Alexander | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
could not say yes. That is a problem for the coalition. They may have | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
doubts about Labour copper but if they are not better off after five | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
years of George Osborne, easy going to get another five? The only thing | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
I would say about that is that the problem that Labour have not faced | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
is that they are not trusted on the economy. George Osborne is gambling | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
on posterity now, a hand-out towards the election, and that could be very | :50:56. | :51:00. | |
potent. Bribes. Isn't that what every government does? That is why | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
we are in a mess! Thank you very much for your time, back to the | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
studio. Just a little titbit we are picking | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
up here, the OBR, the Office for Budget Responsibility, has increased | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
its forecast for house price rises, with the extra demand, expecting | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
house price inflation to be above 5% in 2014, and 7% in 2015. Relative to | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
the March forecast, they say they have revised the levels of house | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
prices up 10% by 2017-18. Interesting. It is interesting, | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
although 5% might be an underestimate. We will see, it is | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
one of the bees and is why the Bank of England recently cut back the | :51:45. | :51:51. | |
supply of cheap funding to banks. -- it is one of the reasons. Nick | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
Robinson has just popped out to do another part of the BBC, Radio 4. He | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
will be joining us again, we are broadcasting to you until two | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
o'clock in the Daily Politics special. It is now 24 minutes before | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
two o'clock, let's bring you up with the key points if you have just | :52:10. | :52:12. | |
coming over lunch to switch on the TV, this was in the statement. The | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
planned fuel duty rise is now scrapped, petrol prices will not be | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
rising because of that. Still is strong against the dollar, so I | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
suspect oil prices will not be a major inflationary pressure. While | :52:28. | :52:31. | |
yet. Rail fares will rise only in line with inflation. -- for a while | :52:32. | :52:38. | |
yet. That is the Chancellor trying to keep an eye on living standards, | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
but the state pension age, the time when you can retire, will rise to 68 | :52:43. | :52:50. | |
in the midst 2030s and 69 in the late 2040s. Now, the married couples | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
tax allowance, we were expecting that, that will be introduced in | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
April 2015, just one month before the next election. There will be, | :53:00. | :53:06. | |
for two years, a ?1000 business rates discount for small retailers, | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
an attempt to try to blow some life back into the high streets up and | :53:11. | :53:16. | |
down the country. And the employer national insurance contributions | :53:17. | :53:22. | |
will be scrapped for under 21s, and attempt to do something about the | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
970,000 young people who are unemployed. That is a big problem | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
for them. We can talk now to the Northern Ireland economics and | :53:34. | :53:36. | |
business editor, John Campbell, who is in Belfast, welcome to the | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
programme. The Chancellor has said the recovery has started, because of | :53:41. | :53:43. | |
those improved growth figures, Labour says there is a cost of | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
living crisis, how are people feeling in Northern Ireland? The | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
recession in Northern Ireland has been much deeper and longer lasting | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
than in the rest of the UK, really because we have this enormous | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
housing bubble and it burst, and that really blew a hole in the | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
finances of companies, households and the whole economy here in | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
Northern Ireland, really. The economy here is recovering, it is | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
happening much slower than in the rest of the UK. Any growth in the | :54:10. | :54:13. | |
rest of the UK is good news, because it is the biggest market for | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
companies in Northern Ireland. What about the cost of living crisis that | :54:18. | :54:21. | |
Labour claims Sony families are feeling at the moment? Was there | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
anything in the Autumn Statement to try to meet those challenges, | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
anything to cheer about in Northern Ireland? I suppose the complicating | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
factor is that when the Chancellor announces any of the policies to do | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
with spending, the micro-measures, they do not automatically applied to | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
the devolved regions. The devolved regions will get some money, but it | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
is up to the devolved administrations on how to spend | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
that. Northern Ireland will get an extra 136 million over the next two | :54:51. | :54:56. | |
years, and the Northern Ireland Of us has helpfully suggested to the | :54:57. | :54:58. | |
local administration that they might want to spend that on fuel bills, | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
but it will be down to the local finance minister and his colleagues. | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
Thank you very much. Now, let's go back to Susannah | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
Streeter at the Trafford Centre in Greater Manchester. Susanna! | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
Yes, well, the Chancellor has said there are record numbers of people | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
in work, and of course that is what retailers here at the Trafford | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
Centre really want to hear. They want more people to earn more money | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
so they can have more money in their pocket and spend more at the shops, | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
but even so, there is still a real squeeze on household incomes. The | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
standard of living, the cost of living has gone up, in particular | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
those very high fuel bills that we have heard so much about lately. | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
Richard Lloyd has been listening to the Autumn Statement with me, from | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
Which?, you have been campaigning against high fuel bills, and we have | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
had confirmation that there will be this ?50 reduction. Would you have | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
liked to have seen more? We would have liked to CD Chancellor doing | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
much more to get the cost of policy off bills, but also committing to a | :56:04. | :56:14. | |
bigger shake-up of the energy market. It is the wholesale costs | :56:15. | :56:17. | |
that are pining on the agony for millions of households. There was | :56:18. | :56:19. | |
nothing much to give comfort to people struggling with bills. It is | :56:20. | :56:22. | |
welcome help on some of the cost of Government policy, but not enough. | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
But an announcement on rail fares. The main message was it will be | :56:27. | :56:29. | |
growth in the economy, that will help with living standards, and some | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
giveaways, help on rail fares and help on the fuel duty. But in the | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
end, if what he is relying on is growth in the economy, in a place | :56:39. | :56:41. | |
like this, people out and about shopping, are people in the economy | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
spending on sustainable levels of borrowing? Are they getting into | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
debt to spend? The answer is yes, too many people are into tight a | :56:50. | :56:54. | |
squeeze, so the job is not done, as the Chancellor said, to raise living | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
standards. Richard Lloyd, many thanks. Still real concerns about | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
consumers' ability to afford the extra spending that the economy | :57:05. | :57:07. | |
requires. What about local businesses? Peter Smith is the | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
Labour leader on Wigan Council, you think measures introduced for small | :57:13. | :57:17. | |
businesses, such as the business rates discount and cap, will be | :57:18. | :57:20. | |
enough to support businesses in your area? It is not enough, the | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
Government had an opportunity to revalue business rate and turned it | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
down, so the retail sector has been badly hit, and you see that in town | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
centres in the north-west. This is typically a budget for London and | :57:34. | :57:36. | |
the south-east, not really doing enough for us. We look forward to | :57:37. | :57:44. | |
HS2 coming from London, but we have not got that. So the economy is | :57:45. | :57:47. | |
doing better, but mainly again in London and the south-east, job | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
vacancies here are very low compared with the number of people looking | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
for work. A continued commitment to austerities as well, the Government | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
living within its means. Local government has taken 40% of its | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
budget, I do not know if he expects us to take more. Many local | :58:06. | :58:08. | |
authorities will be looking to go to the wall. At the end of the day, it | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
is services that are cut back. We will not be able to do as much for | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
local communities, and it is in places like the North that people | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
needed more than in London. Thank you very much for talking to me. | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
Throughout the programme we have been asking for your opinion and | :58:25. | :58:27. | |
comment about what the Chancellor has said, and Paul Lewis from the | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
BBC's Money Box has been taking your questions, a lot of talk about | :58:33. | :58:38. | |
pensions. A lot of talk about pensions and other issues, Cat and | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
Olivia both to eat, if we have to work until we asked 70, do we need | :58:43. | :58:47. | |
to put more into private pension so we can retire earlier? And Peter, | :58:48. | :58:51. | |
his wife is caught by what he calls a triple whammy, she will have to | :58:52. | :58:55. | |
retire before the new pension starts in 26, are they changing that? No, | :58:56. | :59:00. | |
some good news for women in that position, they will be able to buy | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
an extra pension, the new provision, full details next week, but I | :59:05. | :59:08. | |
understand they will be able to boost their pension by up to ?25 per | :59:09. | :59:12. | |
week by paying more contributions now. Briefly, concerns about savings | :59:13. | :59:20. | |
as well. Grumpy Old Man, nothing for savers, and that is true. The | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
tax-free ISA limits are going up, but only with inflation. One ray of | :59:25. | :59:30. | |
hope, though, if the Chancellor is right and unemployment falls to 7% | :59:31. | :59:35. | |
by 2015-16, that is the trigger for the Bank of England to look at | :59:36. | :59:38. | |
raising rates, and that will help savers. Thank you very much, that | :59:39. | :59:43. | |
would help savers, but it would be another squeeze on household | :59:44. | :59:47. | |
incomes, and that is really concerning people here, just how | :59:48. | :59:50. | |
people are able to afford the rising cost of living, back to you. The | :59:51. | :00:00. | |
Chancellor said that the British economy is now the fastest-growing | :00:01. | :00:04. | |
economy among the G7. That was probably true when the Chancellor | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
said it, it is no longer true as 15 minutes ago. The United States has | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
redone its growth estimates for the third quarter and the American | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
economy grew in the third quarter at an annual rate of 3.6%. The first | :00:19. | :00:27. | |
test -- estimate was 2.8, it has actually gone to 3.6%. That is fast | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
growth by any standards and faster than the growth rate of the British | :00:33. | :00:39. | |
economy. There we go, you say something and events prove you | :00:40. | :00:46. | |
wrong. George Osborne will be pleased that came after he sat down | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
from his Autumn Statement! Lets get some open to call reaction. We are | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
joined by the UK Independence Party's Stephen Wolf. We had growth | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
in the economy, we seem to have avoided the double and triple dip | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
recession. And until Andrew mentioned those figures from the US, | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
the economies were going faster than any developed economy in the world. | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
It is to be welcomed, the Chancellor was right with his austerity | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
measures. We have to be careful about what he means by the austerity | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
measures. He is spending 198 billion more than he said he would do and he | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
is four years behind in his deficit reduction plans. I believe this is a | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
Chancellor who has got the wrong parities. -- priorities. He is | :01:32. | :01:40. | |
spending ?48 billion on HS2. We have seen an energy crisis and it could | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
mean 24,000 people possibly dying because they can't afford their | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
bills. They are the priorities of UKIP but not the Chancellor's. Where | :01:50. | :01:57. | |
would you make cuts to balance the books? We would make drastic cuts to | :01:58. | :02:04. | |
the foreign aid budget. We shouldn't be spending zero 7p on foreign aid. | :02:05. | :02:14. | |
-- ?0.7 billion on foreign aid. We should either use the money to | :02:15. | :02:25. | |
reduce the deficit from HS2 or spend money on creating jobs. Would UKIP | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
state pensions be included in the cap or not? We think the Chancellor | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
has attacked pensions consistently over the last few years, he is | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
making people work for longer and work harder. He is not really | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
improving pensions for those in the private sector. He should be looking | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
at ways of listening the market so that more people can invest in | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
private pensions -- loosening the market. We have 4.7 trillion of | :02:54. | :02:59. | |
unintended but in pensions in this country. -- underfunded debt in | :03:00. | :03:08. | |
pensions. -- unfunded debt. I think it is dangerous for the children of | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
the future if the debt more than doubles. Would you include state | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
pensions in a cap on welfare spending? We're not looking at those | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
people who are teachers and nurses, earning low pensions. You have got | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
to look at the civil servants who are earning 200000 and more, ie more | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
than the Prime Minister and Obama, who gets massive pensions. Attack | :03:36. | :03:43. | |
them, then deal with private sector pensions to enable us to get more | :03:44. | :03:44. | |
into that sector. We are joined by the Shadow Chief | :03:45. | :03:53. | |
Secretary to the Treasury, Steven Leslie. What would Labour's position | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
B and would Labour support a cap on welfare spending Aspar posed by the | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
government? We have got to go through the specific details. When | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
you are in opposition you get about an hour to look through these | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
things. Of course we have got to have controls on the welfare budget. | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
This was certainly something we were going to look at. Ed Balls told me | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
on the Sunday politics that unlike the Chancellor, Labour would include | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
state pensions in the welfare cap. Is that still Labour policy? We know | :04:30. | :04:39. | |
there are structural welfare issues that have to be controlled and it is | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
important we take action on those. One of the things we have said we | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
will do is to match the government's spending totals for | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
2015-16. If we vary from that, we will say exactly how we will fund | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
that. That's very interesting but let me ask the question again | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
because it is quite simple. If you are in principle favour of a welfare | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
cap, would it include pensions or not? The Chancellor is saying it | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
would not. We think it is important that we look at the definitions of | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
what is and what is not structural welfare. Would it include pensions | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
or not? He said he wouldn't include pensions, I am asking you if you | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
would. I will look at what he is proposing. | :05:29. | :05:37. | |
We have had about 15 minutes. We will make our assessment. -- 50 | :05:38. | :05:45. | |
minutes. How can Ed Balls tell me that it would include the pension in | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
his cap, and now you can't me whether it would or wouldn't? The | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
Chancellor's commitment to the triple lock was not as much of a | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
commitment as he said it would be. He has said it is only going to | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
commit until the general election. We want to see what his proposals | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
are beyond that. A lot of people listening to this programme and the | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
Chancellor's announcements will be concerned about what the effect will | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
be for them and their incomes. We can see the top line issues, the one | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
issue that has come clearly through the Chancellor's statements, is that | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
earnings are falling and prices are rising and we have a cost of living | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
crisis that the Chancellor still has not addressed in the statement. Let | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
me move on since you are not going to answer my question. You are | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
committed to matching government current spending in 2015-16. If we | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
vary from it, we will say how we fund the difference. Do you intend | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
to have more capital spending? At present we think there is an | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
important need to bring forward infrastructure spending. We will | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
make a judgement in our manifesto when we know the state of the | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
economy by 2015. We don't think it would be responsible to make the | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
judgement on capital infrastructure spending. It might be that we want | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
to spend more on capital. It is why we have made the distinct between | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
capital and current spending. Right now we have seen infrastructure down | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
15% since the general election and it is one of the reasons why we have | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
had so little growth over the last three years and why the deficit is | :07:18. | :07:24. | |
so much higher than he said. He said the deficit would be abolished by | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
2015 and we are still going to have ?79 billion by the time of the | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
election. I know what he said, I am trying to find out what you think. | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
On the government's plans to lock in deficit reduction in 2016 - 17 and | :07:39. | :07:45. | |
17-18, will you vote for that, too? They have only done a spending | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
review for 2015-16. They have not set out fiscal plans up to 2018. If | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
they do that we will be able to make an assessment. How can we know? It | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
is a simple principle. Regardless of what the government does, will you | :08:02. | :08:09. | |
vote... To continue reducing the deficit in 16-17, 17-18 Norway you | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
borrow more? -- or will you borrow more? Of course we want to reduce | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
the deficit and we believe it is possible to get to a surplus. If you | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
don't have the growth, you're not going to be able to reduce the | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
borrowing. More over this is a Chancellor who promised we would get | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
rid of the deficit. Because he has not done that, that is why the | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
balance will not happen until 2019. Do you want a surplus? Of course. If | :08:39. | :08:46. | |
the choice under the next Labour government, as you continue to bring | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
the deficit down and you have the opportunity to move into surplus, | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
you would choose that rather than spending more or taxing less? We | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
have got to make sure that we earn our way as a country to higher | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
living standards. What is the answer to my mum question? -- my question? | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
The Chancellor would like to make out that he knows how to cut his way | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
to abolishing the deficit. If the Chancellor was here, I would ask | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
him. You cannot do these things in isolation. If a future Labour | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
government has a choice between running a surplus spending more on | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
schools, welfare, cutting taxes, you would to run a surplus? We believe | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
we would be more effective at eradicating the deficit than George | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
Osborne has proven to be. It is relative to his performance against | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
our belief that a stronger, more sustainable level of growth would | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
help to improve the public finances. We are now talking about a period of | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
time coming years from now, where George Osborne hasn't even done a | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
spending review for beyond 2016. He is asking us, what we would do on | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
his spending plans and 17-18. You are not going to answer it. I have | :10:05. | :10:12. | |
been answering it. On your ?1600 that we are worse off on average, | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
does that include any tax changes? No. It doesn't. The figures we have | :10:16. | :10:26. | |
seen show that the typical working person has lost ?1600 per year. The | :10:27. | :10:34. | |
pound in their pocket... Does it include the raising of the tax | :10:35. | :10:41. | |
threshold? When you then look at the tax benefit and changes, the | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
Institute for Fiscal Studies say that it is beyond even that ?1600. | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
But does your calculation includes the raising of the tax threshold? As | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
far as I and Stan, the 1600 figure relates to earnings against prices. | :10:57. | :11:04. | |
-- as far as I understand. Let me give you another revelation on page | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
85. What they have done is they have revised up prices, expectations on | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
price rises are going higher next year and the beyond. And earnings | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
are anticipated to be falling back even further than they were saying. | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
All right. This is a really important point. Big up in terms of | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
living standards and the cost of living is getting worse as a result | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
of George Osborne... I hope you will come back onto the Sunday politics | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
when I go onto that in more detail. There is a question about whether | :11:39. | :11:46. | |
any government can alter the gap. Even under an energy freeze, | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
households would be worse off than five years ago. The reason is that | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
we have had a great big recession, that is what happens will stop you | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
either lose your job or you get paid less for doing the same job. Nothing | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
you are arguing for seems to change that fundamental economics. The | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
Chancellor would like to say nothing can be done about this. He was | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
forced to mention living standards on 12 occasions, when previous | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
budgets he has not mentioned it at all. We are glad that at least we | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
have dragged him on to this agenda. The idea that nothing can be done is | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
his view. Our view is that you can take action on the cost of childcare | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
for example. You should be looking at how much the bank levy raises and | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
using some of that money to increase the number of free childcare hours. | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
I think there is action you could take on the living wage, helping the | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
lowest paid in particular. We have set out in Centre 's and ways of | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
helping companies do that. Specific actions that can be taken -- set out | :12:47. | :12:59. | |
in scented. -- incentives. There is an argument but it would not change | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
the core economic. You can't affect the wages that people's are paid. | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
You would not change the fundamental economics. This is where I would | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
disagree, you have to have some hope and believe that government policy | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
can actually do things that are for the many and not just the wealthiest | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
few in society, which is the Chancellor's priority. For the many, | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
not the few, I have not heard that before! I will be back on BBC One at | :13:29. | :13:35. | |
11:40pm with List! Week, when we will have James Blunt, I wonder what | :13:36. | :13:47. | |
he will sing -- I am back with This next Mac week. | :13:48. | :13:49. |