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Growth is up, the deficit is down. Will there be jam today in the

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Autumn Statement, or just another promise of jam tomorrow?

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Will there be jam today in the Autumn Statement, or just

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Will there be jam today in the tell on economic growth. He had

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Will there be jam today in the over an hour he will be able to say

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that growth is twice what it was stronger next year and he has

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managed to reduce borrowing by more than was

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are told, without fanfare and with Labour's charge ringing in his ears

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that people Labour's charge ringing in his ears

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Chancellor left the Treasury a couple of... Is there

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Chancellor left the Treasury a from the BBC as the Chancellor gets

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Chancellor left the Treasury a into his car with the Chief

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Chancellor left the Treasury a across Parliament Square and into

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new Palace across Parliament Square and into

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of the speech and Labour's response the moment the

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of the speech and Labour's response are here until two copy with expert

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analysis and reaction are here until two copy with expert

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politicians of all stripes to find out what they

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politicians of all stripes to find assessing the effect it has on the

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political landscape. I assessing the effect it has on the

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and speaking to local businesses. What

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and speaking to local businesses. answering e-mails, tweets and texts.

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All answering e-mails, tweets and texts.

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finest public service broadcasting, of

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finest public service broadcasting, duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's

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political duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's

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tired because I have a duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's

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what Ed Miliband had duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's

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are battling with stagnant wages and duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's

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far better than this government. -- duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's

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in the Autumn Statement. Let's get a duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's

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Back at the budget in March, duration, Nick Robinson, the BBC's

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the amount the government would be borrowing

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the amount the government would be to get the economy growing or reduce

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the deficit. As to get the economy growing or reduce

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her acolytes are wondering if a more Thatcherite policy might do

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her acolytes are wondering if a more a drubbing at the local elections

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her acolytes are wondering if a more May. A royal baby and

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her acolytes are wondering if a more in Brighton, Labour were looking for

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a new line of in Brighton, Labour were looking for

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price freeze to tackle what Labour were now calling the

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price freeze to tackle what Labour he would help with free school meals

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for younger children he would help with free school meals

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conference he would scrap increases in fuel duty, and

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2015. Talk of austerity had given way to spending and

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2015. Talk of austerity had given proposed a windfall tax on energy

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companies. proposed a windfall tax on energy

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taxes. With the results of that review announced

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taxes. With the results of that improving economy today?

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On the one improving economy today?

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better, the deficit is back to tumbling again.

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better, the deficit is back to you. That is exactly right.

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better, the deficit is back to up and say, things are

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better, the deficit is back to were told,

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better, the deficit is back to think, this is a long-term plan that

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better, the deficit is back to critique that we are poorer than we

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were There is going to be a bit of better

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news. A unique experience for this Chancellor. If we go back to his

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first budget after the election in 2010, he was forecasting that his

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austerity would lead to a deficit, a gap between the tax revenues and

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what he was spending of ?60 billion in the current financial year. It

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hasn't quite worked out like that. We roll forward to the budget of

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this year, and then he predicted, forecast, that that deficit for this

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year would be twice what he originally hoped. We are in the

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middle of a bit of an economic recovery which has been going on for

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six to nine months. It is a housing market led recovery and a bit more

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consumer spending. VAT is up, stamp duty is up. The respected IFS now

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thinks that the deficit might actually be a little bit lower than

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he expected in March, at about ?113 billion. Does that mean if he wanted

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to come he would have a bit more money for some giveaways. It is

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still an awful lot of money, not far off 7% of GDP and most economists

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would say it is not sustainable. He will not want to take risks in this

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budget, it will be steady as she goes. One of the things that will

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reinforce his determination not to do anything that looks like a

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giveaway is because his ambition to balance the books by the end of his

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Parliament. Maybe he is on course to do that. Let's look at what he said

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in March would be happening to rowing. He said that over a period

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of four years, it would be down to ?43 billion, which is still a lot of

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money to be borrowing. And the key point about that is that every year

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you borrow that sum of money, it adds to record levels of national

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debt. That is another reason why he can't afford to take big risks. So

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where is the national debt at the moment? It is well over ?1 trillion.

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Over his forecasting time horizon, he expects it to rise to over ?1.6

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trillion. Which is on his calculations, 85% of GDP. Very high

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by historical standards. Gordon Brown, a Labour Chancellor, took

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pride in reducing that ratio to below 40%. In labour's first-term.

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On the EU's measure of these things, we are going to be over 100%

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debt to GDP ratio. The public finances, for all the better news,

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still don't look all that healthy. Is it really true that it is part of

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the Tory calculation that we don't want to big up things too much. I

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saw a quote from a Tory aide, because people may think they can

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take a risk with Labour. There has always been a worry that the

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public's attitude to Tory governments is, call them in when

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things are bad and when the smell has gone away, you can go back to

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Labour. That is the Tory view of what many in the electorate think.

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They want to say that the problem is still there. Making progress, so

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cheer up, but the problem is not over, you have got to stick with

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them. That will be the message. George Osborne has been criticised

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by Labour, but by some of his own team for looking a bit smug when the

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economy started to grow. Saying, look at me, haven't I proved you

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wrong? He will be desperately tempted to say to Ed Balls, you said

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it was going to be a triple dip. But he needs to say, we asked a halfway

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through a plan. Keep us in the job. George Osborne, smug? Who would have

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thought it. Or Ed Balls for that matter!

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Throughout today's programme we will be getting reaction from people in

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Greater Manchester, Susannah Streeter is there for us. I am in a

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real temple of retail at the Trafford Centre in Greater

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Manchester. It is a key time for small businesses in the run-up to

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Christmas. Their success will depend on how confident consumers and

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shoppers feel. We have heard that growth has returned to the UK

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economy with a vengeance since March, but is that translating

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through to a feel-good factor for small businesses? What help do they

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need from the Chancellor? Liz Harris is from the Federation of small. You

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have been canvassing around your local area -- Federation of small

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businesses. What reaction are you getting? Surprisingly positive. The

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fact that people are spending the money is reflected in sales on the

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street. There are shops on the Main Street that are paying nearly as

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much in business rates as in rent, and it makes little difference what

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money they are taking in. The key is reimbursement so that exports can

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grow, are you seeing evidence of that -- reinvestment. I am seeing

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evidence that it is getting better but until we are seeing some of the

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things we are hoping to get, I don't think we will have the confidence to

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invest. But if we do get them, small businesses are in a good position.

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Lots more reaction bit later to the statement. Small businesses looking

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for help, but consumers also looking for help with those sky-high energy

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bills. Richard Lloyd is from the campaigning group, which. The

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Chancellor is going to announce something about the green levies on

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energy bills. What is expected and how far do you think you should go?

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It is looking like about ?50 a year of the average bill, that is ?1400

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for most people right now. It is a step in the right direction, a bit

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of help for people to buying a home, who commit to making it more energy

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efficient. But this is a small amount of money to people who are

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really struggling with the cost of living right now. Four in ten people

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tell us that they are feeling the squeeze. Fewer people than last year

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are gloomy about the economy and the prospects, but the big number the

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Chancellor has do address is that only one in six are saying they are

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not feeling in their pockets, in their household budgets, benefits of

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economic recovery. Much more from you and your view on what the

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Chancellor has come a bit later on in the programme. There is lots of

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long-term planning that has do go on and there is likely to be some talk

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about raising the retirement age to 68, sooner than we first thought.

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Paul Lewis, you thought this was going to be coming along but it will

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have a real effect on long-term financial planning. Yes, especially

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younger people. If you are in your 40s, it is going to be 68. In your

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30s, 69. If you are in your 20s, it could be 70 before you get your

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state pension. You have got to plan to make sure you are saving enough,

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you will have longer to save, but what job could you do at that age?

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Lots of people tweeting about that this morning. Perhaps we should

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start saving more now, but with interest rates as they are, it is

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not a viable option for many people. No, people are starting to

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spend their savings in places like this, as we have seen today, so it

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is going to be difficult for people to save up. We are also getting

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reaction to the announcement about car tax, vehicle excise duty, the

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piece of paper that sticks on your windscreen. That will disappear from

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next year, it will all be done electronically, and that is how

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police will check whether your car is taxed or not. You will be able to

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pay by direct debit, which will spread the cost out, although

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eventually they will have to raise it because the amount that people

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pay is coming down as vehicles get more efficient. You are going to be

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taking viewers' questions all day, how should they get in touch? They

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can get in touch on the website, they can tax, 61124, and they can

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tweet us. Thank you very much, Paul Lewis, we will hear a lot more from

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Paul later, and we will be gauging reaction from all the shoppers here

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and more local businesses to the statement. Back to you.

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Thanks, Susannah. You can get the latest on the statement on the BBC

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website, you can visit the live page on the Autumn Statement. You will

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find in-depth coverage, you can discover what the measures mean for

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you. As well as sending your comments and questions via the

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website, you cannot so take part in the conversation, follow the debate

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on Twitter, all of our correspondents and experts will be

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using one of the hashtags on your screen, #AS2013.

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It is time to find out what the City was expecting from the Chancellor

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today, and David Jones is at IG Index. What you want the Chancellor

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to say? I think Robert Peston summed it up fairly well when he said we

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are expecting steady as we go in the Autumn Statement. I cannot see that

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he will want to do anything that rocks the boat. We have all been

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surprised, both in the City and government, about the economic

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performance of the UK over the last six months. I do not think Mr

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Osborne can afford to be too smug, because we know how quickly things

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can change, so we are expecting no major surprises. It is interesting,

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what he may do with corporation tax, to try to encourage investment in

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the UK. I think that will be well received, to try to stimulate the

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economy a little bit further. We heard yesterday that Goldman Sachs

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has said it would move much of its European business and the workforce

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from London to Paris or Frankfurt if Britain leaves the EU. Was that a

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bombshell in the City? I think it was a surprise, but at the moment

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not many people are giving too much credence to that. We have heard over

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the years how banks would move away from London if the taxation system

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changed, for example. We have not necessarily seen an exodus there. I

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think people are not too worried. If more banks were saying the same

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things, other employers, maybe. Glass half full, glass half empty as

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far as you are concerned? Cautiously glass half full, but we know how

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quickly it can get spilt! Vice if you have just joined us, you are

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watching special coverage of the Autumn Statement at Westminster.

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I think we have got a helicopter shot coming up, there it is,

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beautiful, you know it is important when we have a helicopter up in the

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sky, something big is happening, the wonderful new skyline of London, it

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has been transformed over the last 20 years, all these new buildings,

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the She's Greater, the gherkin, that is the heart of the City that we are

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over. Let's go from that part of the city to Westminster, let's join

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Matthew Amroliwala, who is outside the House of Commons.

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Good morning. Labour has called it a cost of living crisis, it is a

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potent political message, and one that the Government has acknowledged

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with its efforts to bear down on energy bills, but how much are we

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really feeling the pinch? We asked Paul Johnson of the Institute for

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Fiscal Studies do investigate for us.

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It is easy to forget how big an economic earthquake we have lived

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through. National income fell by more and stayed lower for longer

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than in the recessions of 1980s or 1990s, and even compared with the

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recession of the 1930s. The result is that once you take inflation into

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account, it looks like household income is that once you take

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inflation into account, it looks like household incomes now will by

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about 5% less than back in Christmas 2007 before the financial crisis

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hit. And because incomes actually grew rather slowly in the years

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before the recession, we are in the unprecedented position of having no

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more buying power now than we did around the turn-of-the-century,

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nearly a decade and a half with no income growth for many people. The

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pain has been quite evenly spread across the income scale, though.

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Whether you prefer to shop at high end luxury stores like this... Or

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instead preferred the other end of the high street, where you can get

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good offers at knock-down prices. Why is that? Well, the labour market

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has been remarkably resilient. There are more people in jobs now than in

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2007, and unemployment, while high, has risen much less than in the less

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deep recessions of the early 1980s and early 1990s. For many of those

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who are dependent on benefits, the Government squeeze on welfare

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payments is only just beginning to bite. But most of us have taken a

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hit to our incomes. Back in Christmas 2007, average earnings

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were ?393 per week. Now they are about ?450 per week. The trouble is

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that, after inflation, that is worth about 8% less than back in 2007. And

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inflation means that the things that we buy have got more expensive since

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Christmas 2007 by about 20%. Within that, energy prices have risen by as

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much as 60%, and food prices by about 30%. Not everyone is worse

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off, though. Historically low interest rates have kept housing

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costs down for homeowners, and older people are generally done much

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better than younger people. But overall our incomes have gone down,

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and the cost of the basics have gone up. That means there is less left.

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Though. -- less left for Santa.

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Let's get political thoughts from Kwasi Kwarteng, Cathy Jamieson and

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Simon Hughes. Thank you for your time, Labour has set the political

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agenda throughout the course of the summer on energy bills, the cost of

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living. Is today an opportunity to wrestle it back, do you think?

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Absolutely, there has been a lot of media interest in the cost of living

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issue. Ed Miliband gave a good speech with his price, , freezing

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energy prices, and today is a time for the government to wrest back the

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agenda. The economy is growing, against what the doom mongers said,

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it has found a reasonable amount of growth that we have been looking

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for. Nick Clegg was saying the economy is growing but people do not

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actually feel it, so many people do act knowledge there is that

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disconnect there, that perhaps you are out of touch. No, I absolutely

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agree that people in my constituency and up and down the country are

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feeling more squeezed than they have done for a while, and it will take

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time before people realise that the economy is actually growing,

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contrary to what the Labour Party was saying. When will they feel it,

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though? I think the treasury experts are saying this summer, people will

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feel that the economy is on the mend, that it is picking up and that

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we are going to slightly more prosperous times. You talked about

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Ed Miliband and described it as a con, your solution, ?50 off, that

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leaves the energy, and with their profits and touched. The taxpayer is

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taking the hit, people will be rather angry at that. What is taking

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the hit is government spending, but why it is a con is because what

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happens after you have frozen prices is that they tend to go up

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massively. This happened in the 1960s and 70s, they had a freeze,

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prices went up... You have not touched profits. We have not touched

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profits yet. Cathy Jamieson, in terms of the general economy,

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unemployment is down, inflation down, growth up, George Osborne has

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got this right, despite, or four years, you saying this would not

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work. What we have added three wasted years, and I am glad there

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has been some acknowledgement from the Conservatives this morning that

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Ed Miliband was right on the cost of living, because ordinary families

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are feeling the pressure, and we are estimating that for an ordinary

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working household it is about ?1600 per year. Any improvement in the

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economy is to be welcomed, but this is not affecting ordinary people. It

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has been a recovery for the people at the top. There may be a lag in

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terms of the national indicators, as we were saying, but the prediction

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is we will have the strongest growth in the G7 in 2014. The Government

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could do more. We saw in that package, the energy price rise, they

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could do more on that. They cannot say it is a con... Free school meals

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at primary school, potentially a freeze on fuel duty still, is that

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not enough? You would welcome those things, I assume. I would want to

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see more done on energy prices, because that is where people are

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concerned. Although the Government are offering some money off, it is

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not as much as it could be. Are you still stuck on spending more and

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cutting lest you might it is not a question of spending more and

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getting less. The issue is, how will this affect ordinary people? The

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recovery is not helping ordinary families, it is for those at the top

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at this point in time. Simon Hughes, on that point, if there is sustained

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recovery, is it a fair recovery? Well, it needs to be a fair

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recovery. But is it? The Government policy is that it should be, and the

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key issue for us, a Liberal Democrat proposition, is that you take people

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on low and middle incomes out of tax as far as possible, and we are on

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target for that, the first ?10,000... People do not talk about

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tax thresholds, they talk about wages, they talk about whether they

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have more money... They have ?700 less to pay to the Chancellor every

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year in tax. They talk about the fact that they do not have to pay

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tax at all, some of them, because their income means they are below

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the tax threshold, and we want to put that higher. But yes, there are

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things we need to do, council tax frozen, help with childcare costs,

:27:11.:27:13.

free school meals. All things, we are conscious, that help the budgets

:27:14.:27:19.

of ordinary people. A final being on austerity, we have had that

:27:20.:27:23.

announcement that we're going to get spending cuts in Whitehall, another

:27:24.:27:26.

?1 billion on top of everything else for the next three years. When is

:27:27.:27:32.

austerity going to come to an end? You told us back in 2010 that it

:27:33.:27:36.

would be 2015, but it is looking more like 2020 now. All the external

:27:37.:27:42.

commentators who know about these things say that our economy is going

:27:43.:27:46.

on the right direction, we have grown in the economy, growing jobs,

:27:47.:27:50.

people in work, growing companies... And austerity ends

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when? We cannot predict that, but in the next Parliament, and before the

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next Parliament, we will see that growth has come because of the

:27:59.:28:01.

policies of the Government, difficult though they have been. Of

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course, there are more cuts coming after the election as well. Thank

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you very much for your time and thoughts, plenty more political

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reaction from here in a little while, now it is back to you in the

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studio, Andrew. Thanks, Matthew, it is just coming

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up to 11:15am, you are watching a special Daily Politics programme on

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the Autumn Statement. Let's get full use of the helicopter, it is

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circling around the face of Big Ben, a rather nice day, autumnal, a

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winter's day, and we welcome viewers from the BBC News Channel who are

:28:37.:28:42.

joining BBC Two for this Daily Politics special coverage of the

:28:43.:28:44.

Autumn Statement. Now, the Chancellor will get to speak in a

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few minutes to deliver this Autumn Statement, we will be crossing live

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as soon as he does. But first, some of the measures that we expect him

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to announce. It has been one of the most leaked Autumn Statements in

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living memory, and that is saying something! We know the green levies

:29:01.:29:03.

will be cut from energy bills, he got that out because he wants the

:29:04.:29:07.

concentration today to be on the economy, not energy bills. We know

:29:08.:29:12.

from Nick Clegg at the Liberal Democrat conference that infants

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School meals are going to be free, and we know from the Tory conference

:29:17.:29:20.

that there is going to be a married couples tax allowance. They and we

:29:21.:29:23.

have already been told that fuel duty is to be frozen again, likely

:29:24.:29:27.

to be frozen for the rest of this Parliament. We know that small

:29:28.:29:32.

businesses are going to get their rate relief extended, and we know

:29:33.:29:37.

that he is going to cap business rates at 2%, and that national

:29:38.:29:42.

insurance Contributions Bill those aged under 21 are going to be

:29:43.:29:48.

scrapped. The other thing that would be scrapped as the car tax disc,

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that little piece of paper on the windscreen. Sadly, the tax itself is

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not going to be scrapped! The pension age rise, which will hit

:29:58.:30:00.

Nick Clegg above all, is going to be brought forward. It was always going

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to rise, but they are now going to speed up the process by which it

:30:07.:30:12.

goes beyond 65, 268, 270. No doubt by the time of the election you will

:30:13.:30:16.

be 93 before you are allowed to retire! There will be another ?1

:30:17.:30:20.

billion on spending cuts in central government, no doubt to pay for the

:30:21.:30:24.

extra spending that he's getting elsewhere. Let's find out what he is

:30:25.:30:33.

saying, we can go straight to the House of Commons.

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Britain's economic plan is working. But the job... The job is not done.

:30:42.:30:53.

We need to secure the economy for the long-term. And the biggest risk

:30:54.:30:59.

to that comes from those who would abandon the plan. We seek a

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responsible recovery. One where we don't squander the gains we have

:31:09.:31:12.

made but go on taking the difficult decisions. One where we don't repeat

:31:13.:31:17.

the mistakes of the past, but this time spot the debt bubbles before

:31:18.:31:23.

they threaten financial stability. A responsible recovery where we don't

:31:24.:31:26.

pretend we can make this nation better off by writing checks to

:31:27.:31:30.

ourselves, and instead make the hard choices. We need a Government that

:31:31.:31:35.

lives within its means, in a country that pays its way in the world.

:31:36.:31:41.

Three and a half years ago I set out our long-term economic plan in the

:31:42.:31:47.

emergency budget. That plan restored stability in a fiscal crisis. But it

:31:48.:31:52.

was also designed to address the deep-seated problems of

:31:53.:31:56.

unsustainable spending, uncompetitive taxes and unreformed

:31:57.:32:03.

services for which there are no quick fixes. Over the last three

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years we have stuck to our guns, worked through the plan. We have

:32:08.:32:11.

done so in the face of a sovereign debt crisis abroad. And at home, in

:32:12.:32:17.

the face of opposition from those who got Britain into this mess in

:32:18.:32:20.

the first place, and have resisted every cut, every reform and every

:32:21.:32:25.

effort to get us out of that mess. We have held an nerve while those

:32:26.:32:30.

who predicted that there would be no growth until we turn the spending

:32:31.:32:36.

taps back on have been proved, pensively wrong. -- comprehensively

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wrong. Thanks to the sacrifice and the endeavour of the British people

:32:45.:32:48.

I can today report the hard evidence that shows our economic plan is

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working. I can also report the hard truth that the job is not yet done.

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Yes, the deficit is down but it is still far too high. And today we

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take more typical decisions. Yes, the forecast show that growth is up

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but the same forecasts show growth in productivity is still too low,

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and today we set out further economic reforms. Yes, jobs are up

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and unemployment is down but too many of our young people lack the

:33:21.:33:24.

skills to fill those jobs and the opportunities to acquire them. Now

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we take bold steps to remove the cap on aspiration. Yes, businesses are

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expanding at business taxes are still too high and exports are too

:33:37.:33:39.

low, and we must address that. And yes, real household disposable

:33:40.:33:47.

income is rising at the effects of the financial crash on family

:33:48.:33:50.

budgets and the cost of living are still being felt. Where we can

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afford to help hard-working families, we will continue to do so.

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Order, I apologise. Please calm yourself, man. You're bellicose

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barracking is detectable several miles.

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Thank you. The hard work of the British people is paying off and we

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will not squander their efforts. We will secure the economy for the

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long-term, and this statement sets out how. Let me turn to the report

:34:24.:34:28.

from the Office for Budget Responsibility. Again, I thank

:34:29.:34:33.

Robert Choate and his team for their rigorous and independent work. The

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OBR report notes that the Office for National Statistics have reassessed

:34:40.:34:42.

the depths of the great recession. A fall in GDP from peak to trough

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20,008, and 2009 -- between 2008, and 2009, was a staggering 7.2%.

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?112 billion was wiped off our economy, around ?3000 for every

:35:03.:35:07.

household in this country, and it was one of the sharpest falls in the

:35:08.:35:11.

national income of any economy in the world. It is a reminder of the

:35:12.:35:18.

economic calamity that befell Britain. The simple fact that our

:35:19.:35:23.

country remains poorer as a result of it and that a lot of work still

:35:24.:35:26.

remains to be done to put that right. The data revisions also show

:35:27.:35:31.

something else. There was no double-dip recession. Let me turn to

:35:32.:35:44.

the future. At the time of the Budget in March, the OBR forecast

:35:45.:35:50.

that growth would be 0.6%. Today they have more than double that

:35:51.:35:54.

forecast, and the estimate for growth will be 1.4%. Next year,

:35:55.:36:01.

instead of growth of 1.8%, they are now forecasting 2.4%. With faster

:36:02.:36:07.

growth now, it means they have revised the following four years.

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Growth over the forecast period is significantly up. It is still not as

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strong as we would like it to be, but this is the largest improvement

:36:22.:36:25.

to current year economic forecast that any -- than any Budget Autumn

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Statement for 14 years. -- Budget or Autumn Statement. I can also report

:36:39.:36:43.

that Britain is currently growing faster than any other major advanced

:36:44.:36:50.

economy. Faster than France, which is contracting. Faster than Germany,

:36:51.:36:56.

even America. And that contrast itself points to the risks that

:36:57.:37:00.

remain for the night kingdom from abroad and the weakness of many of

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our main trading partners -- the United Kingdom. The debt risk is a

:37:06.:37:13.

recurrence of the instability in the eurozone. The OBR still forecast

:37:14.:37:22.

that the eurozone will shrink by 0.4% this year. Their growth

:37:23.:37:25.

forecast for the US and emerging markets have also been revised down

:37:26.:37:29.

and world trade has been weaker than they expected in March. While our

:37:30.:37:33.

exports are growing, they are not growing as fast as we would like,

:37:34.:37:37.

because we are too dependent on markets in Europe and North America.

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The Prime Minister's visit to China is the latest depth in this

:37:43.:37:46.

Government's determined plan to increase British exports to the

:37:47.:37:50.

faster growing emerging markets, something our country should have

:37:51.:37:57.

done many years ago. Today, I am doubling to ?50 billion, the export

:37:58.:38:04.

finance capacity available to support British businesses,

:38:05.:38:06.

expanding the help available to firms in these emerging markets and

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ensuring that our excellent new trade Minister, Lord Livingston, has

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all the firepower he needs. Let me turn to the forecast for employment.

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Today in Britain, employment is at an all-time high. The OBR have

:38:21.:38:28.

revised their forecasts for the future up. The OBR were expecting

:38:29.:38:32.

jobs to stay flat over the, but they now expect the total number of jobs

:38:33.:38:39.

to rise by 400,000 this year. And this is being felt right across the

:38:40.:38:44.

country. Since 2010, the number of jobs in Carlisle and on the Wirral,

:38:45.:38:48.

Selby to South Tyneside, have all grown faster than in London.

:38:49.:38:53.

Meanwhile, the number of people claiming an appointment benefit has

:38:54.:38:57.

fallen by over 200,000 in the last six months. That is the largest such

:38:58.:39:04.

fall for 16 years. Unemployment is also lower than in 2010. And is

:39:05.:39:09.

forecast to fall further, from 7.6% this year, to 7% in 2015, before

:39:10.:39:17.

falling even further to 5.6% by 2018. We have the lowest proportion

:39:18.:39:26.

of workless households the 17 years. -- for 17 years. There were those

:39:27.:39:32.

who said it was a fantasy to believe that businesses could create jobs

:39:33.:39:37.

more quickly than the public sector would have to lose them. But they

:39:38.:39:41.

should have said is that it would be fantastic if it happened. So I have

:39:42.:39:46.

good news for them. Businesses have already created three jobs for

:39:47.:39:50.

everyone lost in the public sector, and the OBR report today forecasts

:39:51.:39:58.

that this will continue, with 3.1 million more jobs being created by

:39:59.:40:03.

businesses by 2019 than, in their words -- that more than offsets the

:40:04.:40:09.

reduction in the public sector headcount. Far from the mass

:40:10.:40:14.

unemployment that was predicted, we have a record number of people in

:40:15.:40:18.

work. Hundreds of thousands fewer on welfare, unemployment lower than

:40:19.:40:22.

when we came to office, and we will have to million more jobs than in

:40:23.:40:28.

2010, an economic plan that is working and a Government seeking a

:40:29.:40:37.

job rich recovery for all. Let me turn to the forecast for Government

:40:38.:40:41.

borrowing and debt. When this Government came to office, the

:40:42.:40:48.

deficit was 11% of GDP. That was the highest level in our peacetime

:40:49.:40:53.

history. ?1 in every four was being borrowed, and the former Chancellor,

:40:54.:40:57.

and one of the former prime ministers have now joined the

:40:58.:41:00.

consensus that spending was too high. The borrowing post a Houston

:41:01.:41:07.

risk to the stability and could ability of the United Kingdom --

:41:08.:41:12.

posed a huge risk. We have taken many difficult decisions to bring it

:41:13.:41:16.

down, everyone contested and opposed. I camera port today the

:41:17.:41:22.

effort is paying off. The OBR use a measure of underlying public sector

:41:23.:41:26.

net borrowing that excludes the impact of the Royal Mail pension

:41:27.:41:30.

scheme and the asset purchase facility transfers. I can tell the

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house, this underlying measure of the deficit, as is the case with the

:41:36.:41:40.

other deficit measure, has been revised down substantially since

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March. From the 11% back in 2010, the underlying deficit now falls to

:41:49.:41:53.

6.8% this year, instead of the 7.5% they were forecasting in March. It

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then. 5.6% next year, 4.4%, 2.7% and in 2017-18, 1.2%. By 2018,-19 on

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this measure, the OBR do not expect a deficit at all. Instead, they

:42:12.:42:21.

expect Britain to run a small surplus. These numbers will mean

:42:22.:42:29.

that the Government will meet its fiscal mandate to bring the

:42:30.:42:33.

structural current budget into balance and meet it one year early.

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Let me turn to the forecasts for cash borrowing on the same

:42:38.:42:43.

underlying basis. Mr Speaker, at this Autumn Statement last year,

:42:44.:42:49.

there were pretty -- repeated predictions that borrowing would go

:42:50.:42:53.

up but borrowing is down, and significantly more than forecast. In

:42:54.:43:00.

its last year in office, the previous Government borrowed ?158

:43:01.:43:04.

billion. This year we will borrow ?111 billion, 9 billion less than

:43:05.:43:09.

feared in March. That falls next year to 96 billion, down to

:43:10.:43:13.

79,000,000,020 15-16, we are set to borrow ?73 billion

:43:14.:43:24.

less over the period than was forecast in March. It means we are

:43:25.:43:38.

borrowing the equivalent of ?2500 less for every household in the

:43:39.:43:42.

country. On this measure, too, the OBR forecast the Government would

:43:43.:43:46.

not have to borrow anything at all but instead, we will run a small

:43:47.:43:53.

cash surplus. Of course, this will only happen if we go on working

:43:54.:43:57.

through our long-term plan, delivering the reductions in the

:43:58.:44:01.

deficit we planned this year, next year and the three years after. If

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we give up on the plan now, we would be saddled with a deficit that is

:44:08.:44:11.

still among the highest in Europe, and this side of the house is not

:44:12.:44:17.

prepared to take that risk. Mr Speaker, while that deficit remains,

:44:18.:44:20.

it adds to our national debt every year. The OBR expect debt this year

:44:21.:44:29.

to come in at 75.5% of GDP. ?18 billion lower than forecast in

:44:30.:44:33.

March. It's then rises to 78.3% next year. Before peaking at 80% next

:44:34.:44:40.

year. 5% lower than forecast in the budget. It falls slightly to 79.9%,

:44:41.:44:54.

then falls again to 78.4% and 75.9%. By 2017-18, debt is over ?80 billion

:44:55.:45:04.

lower than forecast in March. The supplementary target is for dads to

:45:05.:45:09.

be falling in 2015-16, and that the budget the OBR forecast it would be

:45:10.:45:14.

falling in 2017-18, but it is now forecast to fall in 2016-17, that is

:45:15.:45:20.

one year earlier. But let me enter this note of caution. The OBR is

:45:21.:45:24.

clear that this is a cyclical improvement. The forecast for the

:45:25.:45:30.

continuing fall in the structural deficit has not improved. The

:45:31.:45:34.

structural deficit is the borrowing that stays behind even when the

:45:35.:45:41.

economy improves. It has fallen from the 8.7% we inherited to 4.4% today,

:45:42.:45:45.

more than any other major advantage economy. It goes on falling, but

:45:46.:45:51.

snow faster than was previously expected, because, as we have always

:45:52.:45:56.

argued, the central task of reforming government and controlling

:45:57.:46:00.

spending does not simply dissolve when growth returns. And it supports

:46:01.:46:04.

the case we have made all along that economic growth alone was never

:46:05.:46:09.

going to be enough to repair Britain's broken public finances. An

:46:10.:46:14.

improving economy does not let us off the hook for taking the

:46:15.:46:19.

difficult decisions to make sure that the Government lives within its

:46:20.:46:26.

means. And so, Mr Speaker, the single most important economic

:46:27.:46:30.

judgment I make today is this. We will not let up in dealing with our

:46:31.:46:35.

country's debts, we will not spend the money from lower borrowing, we

:46:36.:46:42.

will not squander the hardest games of the British people, the stability

:46:43.:46:46.

and low mortgage rates, the lower deficit and falling borrowing have

:46:47.:46:50.

been hard won by this country, but let us be clear - they could easily

:46:51.:46:54.

be lost, and that is why we must work through our plan to secure the

:46:55.:46:59.

British economy for the long-term. So this Autumn Statement is fiscally

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neutral across the period. Indeed, today I can announce that we will

:47:06.:47:10.

take three new steps to entrench Britain's commitment to sound public

:47:11.:47:15.

finances. First, we will bring forward next year and updated

:47:16.:47:19.

charter for budget response of and as the Parliament to support it. I

:47:20.:47:23.

can say today that both parties of the coalition have agreed that we

:47:24.:47:26.

must ensure that the debt continues to fall as a percentage of GDP,

:47:27.:47:31.

including using surpluses in good years for this purpose. In other

:47:32.:47:35.

words, this time we will fix the roof when the sun is shining.

:47:36.:47:42.

We will look to see if the five-year time horizon of the fiscal mandate

:47:43.:47:48.

could be shorter, and even more binding now that the public finances

:47:49.:47:53.

are closer to balance, and we will see how fiscal credibility could be

:47:54.:47:57.

further enhanced by a stronger parliamentary commitment to the path

:47:58.:48:04.

of consolidation already agreed for 2016-17 and 2017-18. The answers

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will be written into an updated charter for budget responsibility

:48:10.:48:12.

which will be presented to Parliament one year from now and

:48:13.:48:18.

voted upon. The second step we take today to entrench Britain's

:48:19.:48:21.

commitment to sound public finances is this. We will cap overall welfare

:48:22.:48:27.

spending. Welfare budgets were completely out of control when we

:48:28.:48:32.

came to office, and the number of households where no-one had ever

:48:33.:48:36.

worked nearly doubled. We have taken very difficult decisions to bring

:48:37.:48:43.

benefit bills down. We have saved ?19 billion per year for the

:48:44.:48:44.

taxpayer. We need to maintain that discipline.

:48:45.:48:53.

The percentage of spending in the UK subject to fixed spending controls

:48:54.:48:57.

is very low by international standards at just 15%, so from next

:48:58.:49:00.

year we will introduce a new cap on total welfare spending. Now, I have

:49:01.:49:06.

had representations that the basic state pension should be included

:49:07.:49:10.

within that cap, but that would mean cutting pensions for those who have

:49:11.:49:14.

worked hard all their lives because the costs on, say, housing benefit

:49:15.:49:18.

for young people had got out of control. That is not fair, so we

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will not include the state pension, which is better control over a

:49:23.:49:26.

longer period. We will also exclude from the cap the most cyclical of

:49:27.:49:33.

benefits for job-seekers. All other benefits from tax credits to income

:49:34.:49:36.

support to the vast majority of housing benefit will be included in

:49:37.:49:39.

the cap. At the beginning of each Parliament, the chancellor of the

:49:40.:49:43.

day will set the cap for the coming years and as the House of Commons

:49:44.:49:47.

for its support. If the cap is breached, they will have to explain

:49:48.:49:50.

why and hold a vote in this house. The principle is clear. The

:49:51.:49:55.

Government has a responsibility to taxpayers to control their spending

:49:56.:49:58.

on welfare, and Parliament has a responsibility to the country to

:49:59.:50:02.

hold the Government to account for it. That brings me to our third

:50:03.:50:12.

step. Ultimately, the test of fiscal credibility is whether you are

:50:13.:50:15.

prepared, actually, to take the difficult decisions to keep spending

:50:16.:50:22.

under control. Tight discipline means that most of our departments

:50:23.:50:28.

are living within their budgets. This year they are expected to

:50:29.:50:32.

underspend by ?7 billion, a testament to good financial

:50:33.:50:38.

management. We can therefore be confident in reducing the

:50:39.:50:41.

contingency reserve by ?1 billion this year, and reducing departmental

:50:42.:50:46.

budgets by a similar amount in the next two years. This will save a

:50:47.:50:51.

further 3 billion in total. The protections for the NHS and schools

:50:52.:50:54.

will apply. The security and intelligence services and HMRC will

:50:55.:50:59.

be exempt. The Barnett formula means that, over the next two years, the

:51:00.:51:03.

budgets for Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales will see a net

:51:04.:51:07.

increase, and we will not apply the savings to local government, because

:51:08.:51:11.

we expect them to freeze the council tax next year. Mr Speaker, this year

:51:12.:51:15.

Britain becomes the first G8 country to meet our promise to the poorest

:51:16.:51:19.

in the world to spend .7% of our national income on development, but

:51:20.:51:24.

we don't have to increase the budget further to do that. The

:51:25.:51:28.

effectiveness of the British government aid effort in the

:51:29.:51:31.

Philippines, matched by the generosity of the British public, is

:51:32.:51:36.

a reminder of what marks us out as a nation, and we in this country can

:51:37.:51:43.

be very proud of that. We are also immeasurably proud of the work of

:51:44.:51:47.

the armed forces as they wind down their operations in Afghanistan. The

:51:48.:51:51.

budget we spent there is also falling fast, so we can this year

:51:52.:51:55.

reduced the military special reserve by a further ?900 million, while

:51:56.:52:02.

still funding all operational costs. And to reflect our society's debt of

:52:03.:52:06.

gratitude to our service men and women and their families, I want to

:52:07.:52:12.

make a further ?100 million of money available to our early and military

:52:13.:52:18.

charities, and I want to extend that support to those who care for the

:52:19.:52:21.

work of our police, fire and ambulance services. I think the

:52:22.:52:24.

whole house would agree that the terrible events in Glasgow this

:52:25.:52:28.

weekend, and indeed the work they are doing right now to cope with the

:52:29.:52:32.

adverse weather, remind us how much we owe to them. Mr Speaker,

:52:33.:52:39.

discipline with the public finances means more than just words. It means

:52:40.:52:43.

taking difficult decisions and being prepared to stick to them. It means

:52:44.:52:48.

using surpluses in good years to keep debt falling, so we fix the

:52:49.:52:52.

roof when the sun is shining. It means capping welfare, to keep it

:52:53.:52:56.

under control, and where we do want to spend more money, finding extra

:52:57.:53:01.

ways to pay for it. One of the biggest single items of government

:53:02.:53:04.

spending is the basic state pension. I am proud to be in a

:53:05.:53:08.

government that has introduced a triple lock that ensures a fair and

:53:09.:53:13.

generous increase in the state pension every year to those who have

:53:14.:53:20.

worked hard all our lives. I can confirm the next April the state

:53:21.:53:25.

pension will rise by a further ?2.95 per week. This increase, and the

:53:26.:53:29.

other increases under this government, mean that pensioners

:53:30.:53:33.

will be over ?800 every year better off. And I can announce that we are

:53:34.:53:38.

also going to offer current pensioners an opportunity to make

:53:39.:53:43.

involuntary national insurance on to and is to boost their income in

:53:44.:53:51.

retirement. We will also make... Bash to make involuntary national

:53:52.:53:53.

insurance contributions. This will help those who have not built up

:53:54.:53:59.

much entitlement to the state pension. But we also have to

:54:00.:54:05.

guarantee that the basic state pension is affordable in the

:54:06.:54:09.

pension, even as people live longer and our society grows older. The

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only way to do that is to ensure that the pension age keeps track

:54:15.:54:19.

with life expectancy. The Pensions Bill currently going through

:54:20.:54:22.

Parliament puts in place reviews of the pension age every five years.

:54:23.:54:27.

Now, we set the principle that will underpin those reviews. We think a

:54:28.:54:31.

fair principle is that, as now, people should expect to spend a

:54:32.:54:35.

third of their adult life in retirement, and based on the latest

:54:36.:54:39.

life expectancy figures, applying that principle would mean an

:54:40.:54:43.

increase in the state pension age to 68 in the mid 20 30s, and 29 in the

:54:44.:54:51.

late 2040 yeah. The exact date will be set by further statutory reviews,

:54:52.:54:57.

and in line with the most up to date demographic data, published next

:54:58.:55:00.

week. This is one of those difficult decisions that governments have to

:55:01.:55:05.

take if they are serious about controlling the public finances.

:55:06.:55:10.

Future taxpayers will be saved around ?500 billion. Young people

:55:11.:55:13.

will know that our country can afford to give them a proper pension

:55:14.:55:19.

when they retire. Now, that is this generation, fulfilling its

:55:20.:55:22.

obligations for fiscal responsibility to the next

:55:23.:55:25.

generation, not saddling them with the debts and decisions that we were

:55:26.:55:29.

not prepared to deal with ourselves. Mr Speaker, having sound public

:55:30.:55:36.

finances also means making sure that we collect the taxes that are due.

:55:37.:55:42.

Most wealthy people pay their taxes and make a huge contribution to

:55:43.:55:46.

funding our public services. The latest figures show that 30% of all

:55:47.:55:51.

income tax is paid by just 1% of taxpayers. We have given incentives

:55:52.:55:57.

to enterprise, cut punitive tax rates, and this year the rich paid a

:55:58.:56:01.

greater share of the nation's income taxes than any year under the last

:56:02.:56:09.

Labour government. But alongside those paying the most tax, there are

:56:10.:56:13.

those who try to avoid paying their fair share of tax. So today we set

:56:14.:56:19.

out in detail the largest package of measures to tackle tax avoidance,

:56:20.:56:22.

tax evasion, fraud and error so far this Parliament. Together, it will

:56:23.:56:28.

raise over ?9 billion over the next five years. We are going to tackle

:56:29.:56:33.

the growth of intermediaries disguising employment as false

:56:34.:56:37.

self-employment, depriving workforces of basic employment

:56:38.:56:41.

rights like the minimum wage, in a bid to avoid employee national

:56:42.:56:47.

insurance. We will have the final period a exemption for capital gains

:56:48.:56:51.

tax private residence relief. We will end the abuse of dual

:56:52.:56:55.

contracts, offshore oil and gas contracting, derivatives linked to

:56:56.:57:00.

profits, and share buy-backs. We will ensure the tax advantages of

:57:01.:57:03.

partnerships are not abused either. We are introducing a new limited

:57:04.:57:08.

power that requires people to pay upfront for their taxes were the

:57:09.:57:11.

scheme they use has already been struck down by the courts, and we

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are going to strengthen the capacity to prevent error and tackle fraud in

:57:18.:57:20.

the benefit and tax credit systems and expand efforts to recover money

:57:21.:57:25.

that is owed. There is one personal tax change we made today which is

:57:26.:57:29.

not about avoidance but is about fairness. Britain is an open country

:57:30.:57:34.

that welcomes investment from all over the world, including investment

:57:35.:57:38.

in our residential property. But it is not right that those who live in

:57:39.:57:41.

this country pay capital gains tax when they sell a home that is not

:57:42.:57:44.

their primary residence, while those who do not live here do not. That is

:57:45.:57:51.

unfair, and so from April 2015 we will introduce capital gains tax on

:57:52.:57:55.

future gains made by nonresidents who sell residential property here

:57:56.:58:01.

in the UK. I can also announce, from January one next year, the rate of

:58:02.:58:10.

the bank levy will rise to 0.156%, and its base will be broadened in

:58:11.:58:14.

ways we have consulted upon. The levy will raise 2.7 billion in

:58:15.:58:20.

2014-15, and 2.9 billion each year from 2015 - 16. The country stood be

:58:21.:58:25.

hanged the banks in the crisis, and now it is right that they support

:58:26.:58:30.

the country and recovery. -- stood behind. Mr Speaker, a government

:58:31.:58:34.

that lives within its means is essential to secure the economy for

:58:35.:58:37.

the long-term, but it is not sufficient. Britain has to earn its

:58:38.:58:41.

way in the world. Our infrastructure needs to be overhauled, we have to

:58:42.:58:45.

help businesses compete, and above all our young people need the skills

:58:46.:58:50.

to succeed in the modern world. This Autumn Statement states the next big

:58:51.:58:54.

steps in all these areas. Let me start with infrastructure. We are

:58:55.:58:58.

going to be spending more on capital as a proportion of national income

:58:59.:59:01.

on average over this decade than over the whole period of the last

:59:02.:59:06.

government. And that has involved making tough choices about

:59:07.:59:09.

priorities in spending and sticking to them. But that is not the most

:59:10.:59:13.

difficult decision in this area. We have to decide whether we are

:59:14.:59:17.

serious as a country about competing in the modern world, and say to

:59:18.:59:22.

people, we need the new roads, the new railways, including the northern

:59:23.:59:26.

hub and High Speed Two. We have to say we are prepared to push the

:59:27.:59:31.

boundaries of scientific endeavour, including in controversial areas,

:59:32.:59:34.

because Britain has always been a pioneer. We should say that the

:59:35.:59:36.

country that was the first to extract oil and gas from deep under

:59:37.:59:41.

the sea should not turn its back on new sources of energy, like shale

:59:42.:59:45.

gas, because it is too difficult. And the country with the worlds

:59:46.:59:48.

first civil nuclear programme should not be a country that says, we can

:59:49.:59:55.

do this no longer. Yesterday the Chief Secretary and Lord Dighton

:59:56.:59:57.

published the update to the National Infrastructure Plan, and that

:59:58.:00:00.

includes a co-operation agreement with Hitachi on the next nuclear

:00:01.:00:03.

power station in Anglesey, it includes a deal with the insurance

:00:04.:00:08.

industry to invest at least ?25 billion in UK infrastructure, and we

:00:09.:00:12.

published the prices that support long-term investment in offshore

:00:13.:00:16.

wind and prioritise it over on the shore wind. Today, we go further,

:00:17.:00:24.

with a commitment to invest in quantum technology, a new tax

:00:25.:00:29.

allowance to encourage investment in shale gas that Harvest tax rates on

:00:30.:00:34.

early profits, and in the week in which Professor Peter ticks travels

:00:35.:00:38.

to Stockholm to connect -- collect his Nobel Prize for physics, we

:00:39.:00:45.

commit to world a new centre in Edinburgh in his name, because

:00:46.:00:50.

science is a personal priority. In housing, we have to confront this

:00:51.:00:56.

simple truth. If we want more people to own a home, we have to build more

:00:57.:01:01.

homes. And the OBR is absolutely right today. To draw attention to

:01:02.:01:06.

the weakness of housing supply in this country. The good news is the

:01:07.:01:13.

latest survey data showed residential construction growing at

:01:14.:01:17.

its fastest rate for a decade. And are planning reforms are delivering

:01:18.:01:21.

a 35% increase in approvals for new homes. But we need to do more. This

:01:22.:01:27.

week we are announcing ?1 billion of loans to unblock large housing

:01:28.:01:31.

developments on sites in Manchester, Leeds and across the country. We are

:01:32.:01:35.

going to interest the housing -- increase the housing borrowing

:01:36.:01:42.

account by ?100 million. We want to regenerate some of our most rundown

:01:43.:01:47.

urban estates. Councils will sell of the most expensive social housing so

:01:48.:01:51.

they can house many more families for the same money, and we are going

:01:52.:01:55.

to give working people in social housing a priority rights to move if

:01:56.:02:00.

they need to for a job. Right to buy applications have doubled under this

:02:01.:02:03.

government and we will expand it more. And the very same spirit of

:02:04.:02:09.

aspiration that underpins right to buy is what drives this government

:02:10.:02:14.

with help to buy. It is not enough to build more houses if families

:02:15.:02:17.

don't have the large deposits that the banks of demand it. Help to Buy

:02:18.:02:22.

is now helping thousands to own their own home and I can announce

:02:23.:02:28.

that two Challenger banks expect to join the scheme this month. We must

:02:29.:02:39.

also avoid the mistakes of the last decade. We want a responsible

:02:40.:02:43.

recovery and that is why I am the first Chancellor to give the Bank of

:02:44.:02:46.

England responsible tee and power, not only to monitor over it --

:02:47.:02:54.

overall debt bubbles but to deal with them if they threaten the

:02:55.:03:05.

economy. House prices are three point 1% lower in 2007, as forecast

:03:06.:03:14.

by the OBR. Because the authorities can act in

:03:15.:03:28.

this targeted way and because our public finances are under control,

:03:29.:03:32.

the bank can keep overall interest rates lower for longer and support

:03:33.:03:37.

the rest of the economy. Investing in the physical infrastructure of

:03:38.:03:43.

our recovery is critical to our future but it is better education

:03:44.:03:48.

and skills that hold the key to long-term national success. This

:03:49.:03:55.

week's PISA scores show how much ground this country has to make up.

:03:56.:04:01.

The Education Secretary is doing more to transform school standards

:04:02.:04:04.

and raise the aspiration of people from the poorest families then

:04:05.:04:08.

anyone who has done the job before him. Let me make it clear, his

:04:09.:04:17.

expansion of free schools and academies as the full backing of

:04:18.:04:24.

this Chancellor. We also know that children do better at school when

:04:25.:04:30.

they have a proper meal inside them. This Autumn Statement has found the

:04:31.:04:35.

financial resources to fund the expansion of free school meals to

:04:36.:04:39.

all school children in reception, year one and year two, announced by

:04:40.:04:44.

the Deputy Prime Minister and supported by me. Today, we also

:04:45.:04:50.

focus on what happens when our young people leave school and we do more

:04:51.:04:56.

to help them. We will not abandon those who leave school with few or

:04:57.:05:01.

no qualifications. At present, job centre plus does it is nothing to

:05:02.:05:05.

help 16 or 17-year-olds who are not in work or education. We will change

:05:06.:05:11.

that and fund job centres to help young adults to find

:05:12.:05:17.

apprenticeships. There is a limited chance that any young person will be

:05:18.:05:21.

able to stay of welfare without these qualifications. Anyone signing

:05:22.:05:27.

on without these basic skills will be required to undertake basic

:05:28.:05:32.

training from day one or lose their benefits. If they are still

:05:33.:05:35.

unemployed after six months, they will have to take a training ship,

:05:36.:05:39.

take work experience or do a community work placement. If they

:05:40.:05:44.

don't turn up, they will lose their benefits. A culture of work

:05:45.:05:48.

closeness becomes entrenched when young people can leave school and go

:05:49.:05:54.

straight onto the goal when -- with nothing expected in return -- work

:05:55.:05:57.

closeness. The second reform is to

:05:58.:06:08.

apprenticeships. We have doubled the number of apprenticeships and now we

:06:09.:06:10.

will transform the way they are provided by funding employers,

:06:11.:06:15.

directly through HMRC. There will now be an additional 20,000 higher

:06:16.:06:20.

apprenticeships over the next two years and I can also announced a big

:06:21.:06:25.

expansion of start-up loans, through which a new generation of

:06:26.:06:28.

entrepreneurs is being created. 50,000 more people will be helped to

:06:29.:06:33.

fulfil the aspiration to start their own business, and we are expanding

:06:34.:06:38.

the new enterprise allowance, too. Mr Speaker, this year is also the

:06:39.:06:41.

50th anniversary of the Robbins report, which challenge the nonsense

:06:42.:06:45.

that university was only suitable for a small few. In 1963, Robbins

:06:46.:06:52.

said because is of higher education should be available for all those

:06:53.:06:56.

who are qualified by ability and attainment to pursue them, and wish

:06:57.:07:00.

to do so. That was true then and I believe it should remain true today.

:07:01.:07:06.

Our reforms to student loans, difficult as they were, have put our

:07:07.:07:11.

universities on a secure footing. Some predicted that applications

:07:12.:07:13.

from students from poor backgrounds would fall. Instead, I camera port

:07:14.:07:18.

that this year we have had the highest proportion of young people

:07:19.:07:22.

from disadvantaged backgrounds applying to university, ever -- I

:07:23.:07:24.

can report. But there is still a cap on

:07:25.:07:37.

aspiration. Each year, around 60,000 young people who have worked hard at

:07:38.:07:42.

school got the results, want to go on learning and want to take out a

:07:43.:07:47.

loan, are prevented from doing so because of an arbitrator. It makes

:07:48.:07:50.

no sense when we have a lower proportion of people going to

:07:51.:07:52.

university than the United States, let alone self career. Access to

:07:53.:08:01.

higher education is a mark of success in the global race. We will

:08:02.:08:06.

provide 30,000 more student places and a year after we will abolish the

:08:07.:08:11.

cap on student numbers altogether. Extra funding will be provided to

:08:12.:08:14.

science, technology and engineering courses. The new loans will be

:08:15.:08:20.

financed by selling the old student loan book, allowing thousands more

:08:21.:08:25.

to achieve their potential. Mr Speaker, education underpins

:08:26.:08:32.

opportunity. It is business that provides those opportunities. And

:08:33.:08:37.

the best way to help business is by lowering the burden of tax. KPMG's

:08:38.:08:43.

report last week confirmed for the second year running that Britain has

:08:44.:08:48.

the most competitive business tax system in the world. Some in this

:08:49.:08:53.

house suggest that our response to this good news should be to increase

:08:54.:09:01.

corporation tax from 20%. Today we publish the first of our studies

:09:02.:09:05.

into the dynamic effects of tax changes colour that show our

:09:06.:09:08.

corporation tax cuts increase investment and raise productivity.

:09:09.:09:15.

So much so that over half of the cost to the Treasury of the tax cut

:09:16.:09:18.

will be recovered because of higher growth. Putting up corporation tax

:09:19.:09:24.

hits investment, cuts productivity, costs jobs and raises much less. We

:09:25.:09:29.

thank the honourable members for their submission but we think it

:09:30.:09:31.

would be economic madness to pursue it.

:09:32.:09:38.

Quite the reverse. Today we take further steps to make business taxes

:09:39.:09:47.

more competitive. The budget announcement that we would abolish

:09:48.:09:54.

stamp duty on shares was welcomed round the world, we also abolished

:09:55.:10:00.

stamp duty on traded funds. We are making successful film tax relief

:10:01.:10:04.

even more generous and looking to extend the principle to regional

:10:05.:10:09.

theatre. We set up major reforms to encourage employee ownership of the

:10:10.:10:11.

kind that makes them lowish such a success. -- makes John Lewis. We

:10:12.:10:18.

will introduce a new tax relief for investment in social enterprises and

:10:19.:10:22.

new social impact bonds. I want to thank Sir Ronnie Coen and I

:10:23.:10:26.

honourable friend, the charities minister, for their help in putting

:10:27.:10:32.

this innovative scheme together. Business rates imposed a heavy

:10:33.:10:36.

burden on businesses of all sizes. Today we will help ease that burden.

:10:37.:10:43.

The last government wanted to halve small business rates relief. A

:10:44.:10:48.

relief which cuts rates bills for half a million companies and means a

:10:49.:10:52.

third of a million of the smallest businesses paying no rates at all.

:10:53.:10:56.

If we followed that plan, small businesses would have faced a rate

:10:57.:11:03.

increase of up to ?3375. We have rejected that plan. We have extended

:11:04.:11:06.

that rate relief scheme year after year. It was due to expire next

:11:07.:11:11.

April. We will now extended for another whole year. -- extend it. We

:11:12.:11:18.

will relax the rules that discourage these firms from expanding and

:11:19.:11:23.

opening extra premises. That doesn't go far enough. All businesses are

:11:24.:11:26.

expecting rates to rise by 3.2% next year. Instead, I will cap the

:11:27.:11:31.

inflation increase in business rates for all premises at 2% from next

:11:32.:11:37.

April. We will also allow business to pay their rates in 12 monthly

:11:38.:11:43.

instalments. We will clear almost all of the backlog of valuation

:11:44.:11:49.

appeals by July 2015, with reform of business rates on the agenda for the

:11:50.:11:55.

2017 evaluation. There is one group of businesses that have found the

:11:56.:11:59.

recession especially hard, as it has coincided with the rising challenge

:12:00.:12:02.

from the internet that is only getting stronger. These are local

:12:03.:12:07.

retailers, the shops, the pubs, cafes that make up the high street

:12:08.:12:11.

across Britain. With small-business Saturday this weekend, I want the

:12:12.:12:15.

government to do all it can to help them. We are already changing the

:12:16.:12:21.

planning rules to help town centres compete. To get the vacant shops

:12:22.:12:26.

that blights too many town centres to open again, I am introducing a

:12:27.:12:29.

new reoccupation relief that will halve the rates for new occupants. I

:12:30.:12:36.

want to thank my honourable friends from Wolverhampton Southwest, then

:12:37.:12:39.

eaten, Hastings right, Brentford and many others for their campaign.

:12:40.:12:53.

I can announce today that for the next two years, every retail promise

:12:54.:13:02.

in England with a rateable value of up to ?50,000 will get a discount on

:13:03.:13:07.

their business rates. This will be worth ?1000 of their bills.

:13:08.:13:12.

This is what we offer. Business rates capped for the smallest firms

:13:13.:13:22.

know rates at all, and helps for the -- help for the high street. ?1000

:13:23.:13:27.

for small shops, pubs, cafes and restaurants across our country. The

:13:28.:13:32.

people in these businesses epitomise the hard-working values this

:13:33.:13:37.

government supports and we are backing British businesses all the

:13:38.:13:44.

way. And we are backing British families. Next April, the personal

:13:45.:13:49.

allowance will reach ?10,000. This government is delivering an income

:13:50.:13:56.

tax cut worth up to ?700 a year to over 25 million hard-working people.

:13:57.:13:59.

Under the last government, council tax doubled. We are now helping

:14:00.:14:03.

councils freeze it for the whole of this Parliament. Tax free childcare

:14:04.:14:07.

is being introduced and free school meals are on their way, but there is

:14:08.:14:13.

more we are doing to help. This Autumn Statement confirms that from

:14:14.:14:18.

April 2015, we will introduce a new transferable tax allowance for

:14:19.:14:21.

married couples, available to all basic rate taxpayers. It enables

:14:22.:14:26.

people to transfer ?1000 of their personal allowance to their wife,

:14:27.:14:29.

husband or civil partner. It is just a start and I confirmed today that

:14:30.:14:34.

we will introduce a new operating mechanism that ensures the new

:14:35.:14:40.

married couples allowance is automatically increased in

:14:41.:14:41.

proportion to the personal allowance. 4 million families will

:14:42.:14:47.

benefit, many of them among the poorest working families in our

:14:48.:14:50.

country. And this measure, along with the others we take today

:14:51.:14:55.

ensures that across this Parliament, policies are progressive, showing we

:14:56.:14:58.

are all in this together with the very

:14:59.:15:07.

Mr Speaker, we are a helping energies with their family bills,

:15:08.:15:15.

not with a transparent con, pretending we can control the

:15:16.:15:19.

world's oil price, but by instead focusing on what government can

:15:20.:15:24.

control, the levies and charges that previous energy secretaries piled

:15:25.:15:28.

onto bills. This week we deliver on the promise made by the Prime

:15:29.:15:34.

Minister... The statement must be heard. Chancellor of the Exchequer.

:15:35.:15:39.

This week we deliver made by the Prime Minister to roll back on those

:15:40.:15:44.

levies, a result of ?50 off family bills, in a way that supports the

:15:45.:15:49.

lowest income families, reduces carbon, support investment in our

:15:50.:15:53.

energy infrastructure, and as the document shows, does not add 1p to

:15:54.:15:59.

the tax bills that families pay. My political philosopher sea is clear.

:16:00.:16:01.

Instead of penalising people with more taxes and radiation, give them

:16:02.:16:07.

incentives by reducing their taxes and bills. As I have often said,

:16:08.:16:11.

going green does not have to cost the earth. That brings me onto fuel

:16:12.:16:17.

duty. We inherited from the last government the hated fuel duty

:16:18.:16:23.

escalator. It would have inflicted hardship on families and small firms

:16:24.:16:29.

alike. Instead of those rises, we abolished the escalator, and we have

:16:30.:16:34.

cut and then frozen fuel duty. I have had further representations

:16:35.:16:37.

from many, many honourable friends, from the member for Blackpool

:16:38.:16:41.

North, the member for Argyll, and of course, of course the member for

:16:42.:16:49.

Harlow! He is a champion of the people he represents, and I said

:16:50.:16:52.

earlier this autumn that if we could find the money, I would like to go

:16:53.:16:57.

on freezing duty. Today I can report that because we have taken difficult

:16:58.:17:00.

decisions to control the public finances, I can deliver on that

:17:01.:17:04.

promise. Next year's fuel duty rise will be cancelled. Instead of

:17:05.:17:12.

federal taxes going up by 2p per litre, they will stay frozen. --

:17:13.:17:16.

petrol. That means compared to the previous government's plans, it will

:17:17.:17:22.

be 20p per litre less, ?11 less every time you fill up. A saving

:17:23.:17:29.

from drivers over this parliament of ?680, and double that for a small

:17:30.:17:32.

business with a band-macro. Cancelling fuel duty rises has been

:17:33.:17:36.

a major priority of the government, a ?22 billion demonstration that we

:17:37.:17:41.

are on the side of hard-working people in this country. The married

:17:42.:17:47.

couple's allowance, ?50 off energy bills, we are helping those who

:17:48.:17:50.

drive a car and helping those who get the train, to. There's next

:17:51.:17:55.

January were going to go up by 1% above inflation, and we will keep

:17:56.:18:04.

average fares flat in real terms. On this side of the house we know there

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is one thing more than any other that has supported family through

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these difficult times, and that is being in work. At the heart of our

:18:12.:18:15.

economic plan is support for the creation of more jobs. That is why

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we opposed the last government's plan to increase the jobs tax. That

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is why we reversed the most damaging part of that increase in the very

:18:25.:18:28.

first Budget after we came to office. That is also why, in the

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last Budget, I introduced the employment allowance that eliminates

:18:33.:18:36.

the jobs tax for half a million small businesses. And that is why we

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will go further still. We are going to bullish the jobs tax on young

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people under the age of 21. -- abolished. Employment national

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insurance contributions will be removed on 1.5 million jobs for

:18:52.:18:55.

young people. We are not going to leave young people behind as the

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economy grows. We are going to have a responsible recovery for all. The

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cost for a business of employing a young person on a salary of ?12,000

:19:06.:19:11.

will fall by over ?500. For someone of ?16,000, it is over ?1000 off. I

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want to commend my honourable friend from Braintree and Carlisle and

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their campaign for highlighting this issue. The change requires

:19:20.:19:27.

legislation. It will come into force in April 2015, and it will not apply

:19:28.:19:31.

beyond the upper earnings limit. Now, this country, Mr Speaker, is

:19:32.:19:37.

working through its long-term plan, bringing down the deficit and

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dealing with the debt, spending less on welfare and making the big

:19:42.:19:44.

decisions on infrastructure, living within our means and cutting tax on

:19:45.:19:49.

business, making work pay and letting people keep more of what

:19:50.:19:53.

they earn. Confidence in the next-generation as they make their

:19:54.:19:57.

way in education and in the workplace. This statement shows the

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plan is working, it is a long-term plan for a grown-up country, but the

:20:02.:20:06.

job is not done. By doing the right thing, we are heading in the right

:20:07.:20:10.

direction, Britain is moving again, let's keep going!

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And the Chancellor complete is Autumn Statement, he took 50 minutes

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to do it, we will go through it in a moment, but let's now hear the

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response of the Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls.

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Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker! The whole country will have seen today that,

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for all his breathtaking complacency,

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for all his breathtaking this Prime Minister, under this

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Chancellor and this Prime Minister, under this

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living standards are not rising, this Prime Minister, under this

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Speaker. They are falling year-on-year

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Speaker. They are falling that, on average, working people in

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our country are ?1600 per year worse off than when they came into power

:22:11.:22:19.

in Twenty20 and that prices will continue to rise faster than wages

:22:20.:22:25.

this year and into next year, too? -- in 2010. As a result, people will

:22:26.:22:35.

be worse off in 2015 and they were in 2010, Mr Speaker. Isn't this the

:22:36.:22:41.

truth - after three damaging is flat lining, after the slowest recovery

:22:42.:22:51.

for over 100 years... Order! Order! However long it takes, the

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response... Order! Mr Morris, I don't require your assistance, calm

:22:57.:23:02.

down! Take up yoga, whatever is necessary! However long it takes,

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the response, like the statement, will be heard. The sooner members

:23:10.:23:15.

upon both sides of the House grasped that very simple fact, so much the

:23:16.:23:21.

better. Mr Ed Balls. Mr Speaker, there is a cost of living crisis,

:23:22.:23:25.

even if they want ad omitted in this house, Mr Speaker! And we almost

:23:26.:23:31.

white, after three damaging years of flat-lining, the slowest recovery

:23:32.:23:37.

for over 100 years, yes, from a Chancellor and Prime Minister who

:23:38.:23:43.

said we are all in this together and then gave a huge tax cut to

:23:44.:23:49.

millionaires, Mr Speaker! Don't we know the truth? Working people are

:23:50.:23:53.

not better off under the Tories, they are worse off under the Tories.

:23:54.:24:00.

And... For all their complacent boasts, after three damaging and

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wasted years, for most people, I have to say, in the constituencies

:24:08.:24:13.

of honourable members of all sides of this house, there is still no

:24:14.:24:18.

recovery at all, Mr Speaker. So let me ask the Chancellor about the

:24:19.:24:23.

promises he made to this house on growth and living standards three

:24:24.:24:29.

years ago. He said then, he said then, Mr Speaker, that the economy

:24:30.:24:36.

would grow by more than 8.4% by the end of this year. Even after

:24:37.:24:43.

today's welcome revisions, growth is set to be half of that, Mr Speaker.

:24:44.:24:50.

Lower growth than he forecast in 2010 this year, next year and the

:24:51.:24:54.

year after as well. Didn't the Chancellor pledged to get the banks

:24:55.:24:58.

lending? But net lending to business is now down ?100 billion compared to

:24:59.:25:06.

May 2010. Didn't he make the number one test of his economic credibility

:25:07.:25:11.

keeping the AAA credit rating? But it has been downgraded not once but

:25:12.:25:17.

twice, Mr Speaker! And as for his promise to balance the books by

:25:18.:25:26.

2015, didn't he confirm today that, in 2015, he is not balancing the

:25:27.:25:33.

books, he is borrowing ?79 billion, Mr Speaker? For all his... For all

:25:34.:25:39.

his smoke and mirrors, for all his smoke and mirrors, he is borrowing

:25:40.:25:46.

?198 billion more than he planned in 2010. More borrowing to pay for

:25:47.:25:52.

three years of economic failure, more borrowing in just three years

:25:53.:25:58.

under this Chancellor than and the last government in 13 years, Mr

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Speaker! -- than under. He... He used to say he would balance the

:26:08.:26:15.

books in 2015. Now he wants... Now he wants us to congratulate him for

:26:16.:26:20.

saying he will do it in 2019, Mr Speaker! With this Government, it is

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clearly not just the goalposts that move, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker... Mr

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Speaker... On energy bills, on energy bills, after their panicked

:26:40.:26:44.

and half baked attempt to steal Labour's clothes... The...

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Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker, we know they are not very

:26:58.:27:08.

good at shooting other people's foxes as well as badgers, Mr

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Speaker, because what if the truth, for three months the leader of the

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opposition has been calling for an energy price freeze. And did the

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Chancellor announced an energy price freeze? No, he did not, Mr Speaker!

:27:23.:27:30.

Can he confirm... Can he confirm that when the energy cup and have

:27:31.:27:37.

already announced price rises of ?120 this year, his policy will

:27:38.:27:44.

still see energy price bid rise by ?70 this winter? Mr Speaker, under

:27:45.:27:49.

this Chancellor, the only freeze this winter will be for millions of

:27:50.:27:52.

families and pensioners struggling to heat their homes with rising

:27:53.:27:58.

bills! Does he really think he can get away with tinkering at the

:27:59.:28:05.

edges, moving green levies, his own party introduced them, off the bills

:28:06.:28:11.

and onto the taxpayer? And - surprise, surprise! - letting the

:28:12.:28:17.

energy companies completely off the hook, Mr Speaker! They are not

:28:18.:28:21.

paying a penny, they are not paying a penny! Doesn't he realise that for

:28:22.:28:28.

millions of hard-pressed families, pensioners and businesses across our

:28:29.:28:34.

country, nothing less than a freeze will do, Mr Speaker?! And rather

:28:35.:28:39.

than hard-pressed taxpayers, it should be the excess profits of the

:28:40.:28:43.

energy companies that pick up the tab, Mr Speaker. And... And... As

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for the Prime Minister... As for the Prime Minister's flagship policy for

:28:55.:29:01.

families, a tax break for marriage, why won't the Chancellor and admit

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the truth and tell the Prime Minister that the policy won't even

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help the family is the Prime Minister says it will? Because his

:29:09.:29:13.

own Treasury minister has let the cat out of the bag. I have it here

:29:14.:29:22.

in black and white, Mr Speaker. The Exchequer Secretary says just under

:29:23.:29:25.

one third of married couples will get the married couples tax

:29:26.:29:31.

allowance. Just one in six families with children will benefit. Sack

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him! Contrary to the Prime Minister's claim, contrary to his

:29:42.:29:45.

claim in this house a few weeks ago, a married couple were both are

:29:46.:29:50.

paying basic rate income tax will get no benefit at all, Mr Speaker!

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Apologise! No... Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker, no wonder his own

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Chancellor of the Exchequer has this week told the Daily Telegraph, he

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thinks the Prime Minister's policy is, and I quote, a turkey of an

:30:21.:30:27.

idea. A turkey! The Chancellor thinks the Prime Minister's policy

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is a turkey. Merry Christmas, Prime Minister. Merry Christmas. I have to

:30:33.:30:43.

say... Order... It is very simple, it just lengthens the proceedings,

:30:44.:30:48.

doesn't bother me, I very much enjoy chairing the proceedings. I think

:30:49.:30:58.

what members on both sides of the house will wish to consider is how

:30:59.:31:02.

the conduct is regarded by the public that we are here to

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represent. Mr Speaker, I think on this one, the Chancellor is right.

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It is a turkey of an idea. I have to say, on the cost of living crisis,

:31:18.:31:25.

an energy, on supporting families, this government just doesn't get it.

:31:26.:31:33.

And there is a reason why this Prime Minister... The Chancellor said it

:31:34.:31:38.

in his statement, there is a reason why they believe people are better

:31:39.:31:43.

off. Because the people on their Christmas card lists have seen their

:31:44.:31:49.

bonuses rise and their taxes cut. They are willing to stand up... They

:31:50.:31:56.

are willing to stand up for the interests of the energy

:31:57.:32:07.

companies... We have a prime minister and a Chancellor who will

:32:08.:32:10.

stand up for the energy companies, they will stand up for the hedge

:32:11.:32:15.

fund is, they will stand up for people earning over ?150,000 who get

:32:16.:32:20.

a tax cut but they won't stand up for millions of families in our

:32:21.:32:26.

country. People struggling with rising energy bills, falling wages,

:32:27.:32:32.

rising childcare costs. Mr Speaker, we all know and agree that rising

:32:33.:32:38.

life expectancy means we are going to have to work longer. And the

:32:39.:32:50.

Chancellor's failure on growth and the deficit means more tough

:32:51.:32:53.

decisions in the next Parliament. But when the country is crying out

:32:54.:32:57.

for the government that will work with business to promote investment

:32:58.:33:03.

and wealth creation, and build an economy that works for the many and

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not just the few, does this chancellery think he can get away

:33:08.:33:12.

with tinkering at the edges, -- Chancellor really think he can get

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away with tinkering at the edges and waiting for wealth to trickle down.

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Isn't this the clearest evidence yet that they do not understand the

:33:24.:33:27.

scale of the challenge that we faced to get an investment led recovery

:33:28.:33:31.

that works for all and not just a few, a strong recovery built to

:33:32.:33:37.

last. With the permission of the house, let me ask the Chancellor:

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With house-building under this government at its lowest level since

:33:43.:33:48.

the 1920s, doesn't he see his Help to Buy scheme to boost mortgage

:33:49.:33:55.

demand can only deliver a strong and balanced recovery if he does what we

:33:56.:34:00.

and the IMF have urged, and invest in housing supply. More affordable

:34:01.:34:06.

homes. Honourable gentleman on the opposite benches sneer at building

:34:07.:34:19.

more affordable homes. Can the Chancellor tell the house, why has

:34:20.:34:24.

infrastructure output actually fallen by 15% since 2010? No wonder

:34:25.:34:31.

the CBI is so upset. Why hasn't he used the money from the planned

:34:32.:34:35.

increase in respect of licence fees to endow a proper investment bank.

:34:36.:34:44.

On tax avoidance, why has the HMRC reported the amount of uncollected

:34:45.:34:52.

tax actually rose last year? And with almost 1 million young people

:34:53.:34:57.

unemployed, a record number who want to work full time being forced to

:34:58.:35:02.

accept part-time work. The work programme, a flop. The welfare bill

:35:03.:35:07.

rising. And as we have learned today, the universal credit, and

:35:08.:35:17.

utter shambles. HECKLING

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No mention of the universal credit in the statement. IDS, in deep

:35:24.:35:28.

shambles, Mr Speaker. Isn't the fact, for all the shambles

:35:29.:35:49.

and chaos and rising welfare bills, what he has announced on youth

:35:50.:35:52.

unemployment is too little, too late. Help only for the under 21s

:35:53.:36:05.

coming in the last weeks. Why won't he repeat the successful tax on bank

:36:06.:36:10.

bonuses to pay for all young people, a job they will take or lose. Why

:36:11.:36:17.

won't he remove the winter fuel allowance for the richest

:36:18.:36:20.

pensioners? Why won't he reversed his tax cut for hedge funds, protect

:36:21.:36:25.

disabled people in our country by scrapping the unfair and perverse

:36:26.:36:29.

bedroom tax this Prime Minister has introduced. I have to say, why won't

:36:30.:36:36.

he go further on the bank levy and expand free childcare for working

:36:37.:36:39.

parents and make work pay, use it to help working parents? Isn't it the

:36:40.:36:47.

truth? Can the Chancellor confirmed, even after what he has announced

:36:48.:36:52.

today on fuel duty and his increases in the personal allowance, his VAT

:36:53.:37:01.

rise, his cuts to tax credit and child benefit, meaning families with

:37:02.:37:04.

children are worse off because of his budgets, that is the truth.

:37:05.:37:09.

Giving with one hand, taking away much more with the other. Mr

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Speaker, energy bills still rising this winter. No real action to

:37:18.:37:23.

tackle the cost of living crisis. No proper plan to earn our way to

:37:24.:37:29.

rising living standards for all. Shirley Britta can do better than

:37:30.:37:38.

this. This complacent Chancellor sits there and think C deserves a

:37:39.:37:46.

pat on the back -- thinks he deserves. With bank bonuses rising

:37:47.:37:51.

and millionaires enjoying a big tax cut, this is a policy which is

:37:52.:38:00.

working for a few, Mr Speaker. But as this Autumn Statement shows, with

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this out of touch Chancellor and Prime Minister, hard-working people

:38:05.:38:08.

are worse off under the Tories. STUDIO: We are leaving the House of

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Commons. This is the OBR statement, and this is the Autumn Statement.

:38:24.:38:27.

Our experts are pouring through these figures to find out what the

:38:28.:38:31.

Chancellor did not tell us. There is always something hidden in these

:38:32.:38:34.

documents and we will get to the bottom of it now. If you want to

:38:35.:38:38.

continue watching the Autumn Statement debate, it is on BBC

:38:39.:38:43.

Parliament, or the Democracy live website. Let's take a look at what

:38:44.:38:51.

the Chancellor did announce over the past 50 minutes. The growth forecast

:38:52.:38:56.

committee said the OBR had increased that to 1.4% for this year, 2.4% for

:38:57.:39:02.

next year. But for some reason, it tips to 2.2% in 2015. The outer

:39:03.:39:08.

years, you can largely ignore because they don't really mean

:39:09.:39:13.

enough. The Bank of England thinks the economy will grow this year and

:39:14.:39:16.

next year more quickly than the OBR is saying. Because growth is

:39:17.:39:20.

stronger the Chancellor doesn't have to borrow so much so he has juiced

:39:21.:39:25.

borrowing forecasts. This year he has taken about 9 billion. Then it

:39:26.:39:31.

falls to 96 billion, down to 79, down to 51. By 2017-18 it goes to 23

:39:32.:39:39.

and after that, the Chancellor gave us the possibility that we might

:39:40.:39:45.

move into surplus. These out years are always revised, I wouldn't put

:39:46.:39:50.

too much faith in them. The OBR expects a small surplus by 2018-19.

:39:51.:39:54.

Debt continues to rise for the foreseeable future because we are

:39:55.:39:58.

still borrowing. National debt goes up to 80% of our national wealth by

:39:59.:40:06.

2015. Unemployment, the OBR saying will fall quite strongly, 7% in

:40:07.:40:13.

2015, 5.6% by 2018. Again it should be pointed out, independent

:40:14.:40:17.

forecasters believe unemployment will fall more quickly, which is

:40:18.:40:19.

significant not just for the unemployed, but means that interest

:40:20.:40:23.

rates may have to rise if the governor of the bank sting -- sticks

:40:24.:40:35.

to his guidance. It was confirmed the Chancellor is scrapping the

:40:36.:40:40.

planned 2p fuel duty increase. He also said that rail fares will rise

:40:41.:40:44.

only in line with inflation in January 2014. Living standards

:40:45.:40:49.

issues are ranking high with the government at the moment. It wasn't

:40:50.:40:53.

so long ago that rail fares were set to double the rate of inflation.

:40:54.:41:00.

Something well trailed, a ?50 average saving on energy fuel bills

:41:01.:41:04.

by changing the way green levies are levied. The Chancellor also

:41:05.:41:09.

announced that was to be a rise in the state pension that will go up in

:41:10.:41:15.

April. But the pension age will rise when you retire. He would not give

:41:16.:41:26.

an exact date. And then he announced that a cap on the total amount of

:41:27.:41:30.

money spent on welfare would be introduced next year. That is

:41:31.:41:37.

clearly, I suggest, designed to embarrass Labour ought to get a

:41:38.:41:40.

response. The Chancellor also said it would not include pensions, state

:41:41.:41:44.

pensions would not be in the welfare cap. It goes up and down depending

:41:45.:41:51.

on the level of employment. Another idea that was well trailed in

:41:52.:41:54.

advance was that for non-UK residents who buy homes in this

:41:55.:41:58.

country when they come to sell, no doubt having made a substantial gain

:41:59.:42:02.

if it is in central London, they will pay capital gains tax. Just as

:42:03.:42:08.

British citizens pay capital gains tax on their second homes. He

:42:09.:42:12.

announced there will be ?3 billion of departmental savings at central

:42:13.:42:17.

government level, not a huge amount but maybe a bit painful on top of

:42:18.:42:21.

cuts that have fallen on departments. And an idea that was

:42:22.:42:28.

trailed at the Tory Party conference, the married couples tax

:42:29.:42:31.

allowance will be introduced in 2015, probably just in time for the

:42:32.:42:36.

election. On the business front, the Chancellor announced in this rate

:42:37.:42:39.

increases would be capped at 2% from next April. They would be a ?1000

:42:40.:42:44.

discount for small retail businesses for the next two years, in an

:42:45.:42:49.

attempt to get some life back into the high street. And that employer

:42:50.:42:53.

national insurance contributions would be removed from under 20 ones

:42:54.:42:59.

in an attempt to get the 1 million youth jobless back to work. It was

:43:00.:43:04.

confirmed there would be free school meals for the first three years in

:43:05.:43:11.

England. It also announced there would be an extra 30,000 student

:43:12.:43:16.

places at British universities, and that the cap on student numbers

:43:17.:43:20.

which currently exists would be abolished from 2015 and it would be

:43:21.:43:24.

up to the universities to determine how many students they are going to

:43:25.:43:27.

take. Infrastructure, widely announced yesterday. He wants to get

:43:28.:43:35.

more housing going. There is to be a new tax allowance for investment in

:43:36.:43:40.

shale gas. Many in the Shell gas industry say the planning is the rub

:43:41.:43:46.

them. -- is the problem. And he confirmed there will be a new

:43:47.:43:50.

nuclear power station planned for Anglesey, probably on broadly the

:43:51.:43:55.

same terms of guaranteed price and help with the borrowing to pay for

:43:56.:43:59.

it that EDF recently got for the new one planned in Hinckley. There we

:44:00.:44:06.

go, not a lot in it! Give me your reaction, Nick. There is a lot in it

:44:07.:44:13.

but there is a lot we already knew about because they were announced at

:44:14.:44:16.

conferences or work well briefed. In terms of the measures, there is a

:44:17.:44:21.

mixture of what the government regards as populists, we knew we

:44:22.:44:25.

would get the free school meals but it is an important step. Robert

:44:26.:44:30.

spotted, there don't seem to be any numbers for paying for that in the

:44:31.:44:34.

years after an election. The Tory and Lib Democrat teams can I have

:44:35.:44:39.

treated them to ask what is going on. -- I have tweeted. Ed Balls and

:44:40.:44:50.

Labour said they would reverse one of the cuts to corporation tax in

:44:51.:44:53.

order to give more money to small business. It is quite a lot of money

:44:54.:44:58.

spent by a government initiative, ?1000 off retail Princess was an

:44:59.:45:02.

important measure to get isn't is to employ the young -- retail

:45:03.:45:07.

businesses. Overall, the government spend a bit of money, about ?2

:45:08.:45:11.

billion, but what it is saying is, we have made progress. The

:45:12.:45:16.

structural, underlying deficit, has not come down fast because of

:45:17.:45:22.

growth. So steady as she goes, carry on with the plan, don't change it.

:45:23.:45:26.

Which is why you have repeated uses of the word plan, repeated uses of

:45:27.:45:31.

the word long-term, repeated uses of the phrase, difficult decisions.

:45:32.:45:35.

Chancellor is saying, bank on the fact we have a lot more to do.

:45:36.:45:42.

Robert, the Chancellor was able to announce better growth rates for

:45:43.:45:45.

this year and next year, and therefore lower deficit forecasts

:45:46.:45:49.

for this year and next you. But is the OBR being cautious? Could it be

:45:50.:45:53.

better than the figures they have come up with? Certainly, it is very

:45:54.:45:57.

striking that the Bank of England, for example, has forecast rather

:45:58.:46:01.

stronger growth over the coming 18 months than the OBR. And for me,

:46:02.:46:07.

actually, it is the fiscal forecast and the economic forecasts which are

:46:08.:46:12.

interesting today, because as Nick pointed out, almost all the measures

:46:13.:46:14.

that he announced and broadly we knew about, there are a number of

:46:15.:46:21.

striking things here. One thing that the OBR says is that it believes

:46:22.:46:26.

that the strength of economic recovery that we are seeing at the

:46:27.:46:30.

moment is coming from an anticipated, by it, anticipated

:46:31.:46:35.

revival in private consumption, most of which comes from lower saving,

:46:36.:46:39.

people not rebuilding their overstretched financial positions.

:46:40.:46:45.

There is not high income for people driving this recovery, so what does

:46:46.:46:49.

that mean? It means it worries that, actually, as we go through the

:46:50.:46:52.

coming months, growth will slow down, until we begin to see

:46:53.:46:56.

businesses investing, until we begin to see productivity going up. Now,

:46:57.:47:02.

that is a long-term challenge, because businesses have not been

:47:03.:47:07.

investing. I was slightly surprised, actually, that the Chancellor did

:47:08.:47:12.

not do anything in his statement to encourage a bit more business

:47:13.:47:16.

investment, to put the recovery on what economists would describe as a

:47:17.:47:20.

more sustainable long-term footing. But there is one other really

:47:21.:47:25.

striking thing in the OBR analysis, which... Well, it was a slightly

:47:26.:47:32.

jaw-dropping thing for me! It says this, right? It talks about the

:47:33.:47:37.

profile of public sector borrowing, going out to 2018 - 2019, when the

:47:38.:47:43.

OBR is saying, by 2018-19, there will be a very small surplus, right?

:47:44.:47:47.

Something we have not seen for years and years and years, but this is the

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interesting thing. It says around 80% of the reduction is accounted

:47:52.:47:55.

for by lower public spending, austerity to you and me, right? This

:47:56.:47:59.

will take Government consumption of goods and services, a proxy for

:48:00.:48:04.

day-to-day spending on public services and administration, to its

:48:05.:48:07.

smallest share of national income since at least 1948. In other words,

:48:08.:48:16.

as a country, public spending, the portion of GDP that we devote to

:48:17.:48:21.

public spending, we will back at 1948 levels if they had these

:48:22.:48:25.

targets. Now, that is a remarkable change. That is not a cyclical

:48:26.:48:32.

thing, that is a change in what we expect government to do, of a

:48:33.:48:36.

radical form, much bigger than under Margaret Thatcher. The Tories have

:48:37.:48:42.

long dream Dyfed. It is Jeff is only in limited government approach, that

:48:43.:48:46.

is what we are going for. -- Jeff Sony. I was just raising this issue

:48:47.:48:52.

we spotted the glitch in school meals, someone has pointed out, who

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has read the document, the OBR have said in here that they note that the

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Treasury have not come up with the money to pay for school meals after

:49:04.:49:06.

the general election. So it will come out of education. They have not

:49:07.:49:13.

come up with the money for some of the tax cuts after the election. Why

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does it matter? If you assume that the coalition goes on after the

:49:18.:49:20.

election, they would have to cancel those policies or make cuts

:49:21.:49:26.

elsewhere in order to pay for them, and the OBR, the Office for Budget

:49:27.:49:31.

Responsibility, point that out. On the Labour side, Ed Balls, clearly

:49:32.:49:34.

the Tories were determined to give him a bad time, he has to be

:49:35.:49:42.

shouting to be heard, not an edifying time for Parliament. But

:49:43.:49:45.

the attack remains on living standards, cost of living, which is

:49:46.:49:50.

why I suggest the Chancellor is talking about trade fairs and all

:49:51.:49:54.

the rest of it. Where does it leave Labour, if the economy does grow

:49:55.:49:59.

even more strongly next year than the OBR is forecasting, and the Bank

:50:00.:50:03.

of England is more accurate? By that time, surely living standards will

:50:04.:50:07.

be rising. I note the OBR forecast as a point some time next you when

:50:08.:50:11.

average earnings are rising more quickly than prices. He is still

:50:12.:50:15.

banking, Ed Balls, in fact he said that living standards will be lower

:50:16.:50:24.

in 2015 in 2010. It is impossible for living standards to be higher at

:50:25.:50:28.

the typical level, I do not think that is the issue. I think it is

:50:29.:50:31.

whether the blood feeling better off. It is the sense of direction.

:50:32.:50:39.

As a sound bite, Ronald Reagan used this, do you feel better off than

:50:40.:50:42.

you did five years ago? He is confident he will be able to say

:50:43.:50:46.

that, so even if there is a dispute about the numbers, where Labour will

:50:47.:50:53.

do is post about a bombshell, ?1600 does not take into account tax cuts,

:50:54.:50:57.

does not take into account a whole series of things. So the figures are

:50:58.:51:03.

not wrong, but there is a debate about what you should include in

:51:04.:51:07.

those factors. But the calculation that Labour are making is that most

:51:08.:51:11.

people will feel worse off than they did, and certainly most people who

:51:12.:51:14.

are not rich will feel worse off than they did, and therefore a

:51:15.:51:18.

recovery will be meaningless to them in terms of individual personal

:51:19.:51:21.

circumstances, household circumstances. Let's just say, you

:51:22.:51:26.

have alluded to it, but the screaming at Ed Balls is not just

:51:27.:51:31.

childish, as some people think, not just because they dislike him, and

:51:32.:51:35.

the Tories do. It is a tactic. He messed up a previous speech, this

:51:36.:51:40.

was not his finest hour, but it was a deliberate tactic to make him

:51:41.:51:44.

shout, make him look red-faced. It was, at the Americans would say, to

:51:45.:51:49.

discombobulated, and he was a little discombobulated. The Tory election

:51:50.:51:55.

strategists were looking for a return to growth this year, clearly

:51:56.:52:00.

stronger by this autumn, then continued strong growth next year,

:52:01.:52:04.

and even stronger growth in 2015, so they go to the election saying

:52:05.:52:09.

Britain is back, do not lead Labour ruin it. These figures do not quite

:52:10.:52:13.

bear that out, growth next year is not that strong, and it falls back

:52:14.:52:17.

in 2015 on these forecasts. The problem is that this growth is based

:52:18.:52:24.

on a consumer recovery that, frankly, if it continued at these

:52:25.:52:31.

levels, would be dangerous, because British households do still have

:52:32.:52:35.

enormous levels of debt. Down a bit as a share of disposable income, but

:52:36.:52:40.

in absolute money terms still over ?1.5 trillion, an all-time record,

:52:41.:52:45.

and it is not fairly distributed. 5 million households at least are up

:52:46.:52:50.

to their eyeballs in debt. If we saw, essentially, that indebtedness

:52:51.:52:55.

rising, that would be highly worrying. But I have to say there is

:52:56.:52:58.

one thing again in here which will give some comfort to those Tory

:52:59.:53:02.

strategists, and it is that the OBR is saying that, at the end of the

:53:03.:53:11.

forecasting horizon, 2018-19, there is significantly... There is a

:53:12.:53:15.

significant margin for the Government in terms of hitting its

:53:16.:53:20.

debt targets. What does that mean? It means that, if he wants to, and I

:53:21.:53:24.

would put a fair bet that he will want to, if the Chancellor once, in

:53:25.:53:30.

early 2015 in the Budget to promise tax cuts, he can do that, because

:53:31.:53:33.

these forecasts allow him to do that. It would be astonishing if he

:53:34.:53:39.

didn't. Who would even think of a Budget promising tax cuts before an

:53:40.:53:43.

election?! It never happens! You asked whether things could be too

:53:44.:53:48.

good, and a phrase used in the Treasury was Goldilocks, not too

:53:49.:53:51.

hot, not too cold. George Osborne wants to say, we have made progress,

:53:52.:53:56.

it has not been a waste of time, but it is not over yet, I have to carry

:53:57.:54:02.

on cooking the porridge. This is the dilemma for them, isn't it? The

:54:03.:54:05.

things that the Tories cannot make their mind up about is whether they

:54:06.:54:08.

want people to be feeling good or frightened, because if they are

:54:09.:54:11.

frightened, they might take the view they will not vote for them in the

:54:12.:54:16.

circumstances. It is a tactical dilemma. We have plenty of time, we

:54:17.:54:21.

are going to be on air until two o'clock as we analyse this

:54:22.:54:24.

substantial Autumn Statement. Interesting to see that the

:54:25.:54:28.

Chancellor has finally discovered that when he cuts corporation tax,

:54:29.:54:32.

he gets money in, that has been a while coming, interesting that the

:54:33.:54:36.

Treasury is now doing that with his dynamic models. Jo. Going from the

:54:37.:54:41.

Goldilocks analogy to political reaction now, to that speech, we can

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join Matthew Amroliwala, who is on College Green outside House of

:54:47.:54:49.

Commons. Thank you very much, Lescott a snapshot reaction to what

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we have heard from Ken Clarke, John McFall, Lord McFaul. -- let's get.

:54:55.:54:59.

Your headline thought in terms of what you have heard? I thought it

:55:00.:55:04.

was a masterful performance, a Chancellor who is on top of the

:55:05.:55:09.

worst financial crisis in modern times, things are improving, he has

:55:10.:55:13.

got common sense, he is calm, the main help these giving is to

:55:14.:55:19.

businesses and young people, all the things that matter. We have a long

:55:20.:55:23.

way to go. Ed Balls has got a lot of chutzpah, but quite a ridiculous

:55:24.:55:30.

position to criticise him. It was a 99% politics, 1% economics show,

:55:31.:55:36.

with 100% theatre, and your own Nick Robinson tweeted that the Tories

:55:37.:55:40.

were shouting and bawling and barracking Ed Balls to make him look

:55:41.:55:44.

as if he was unfit for government. It was all theatre today, not much

:55:45.:55:49.

economics in it. In terms of the big picture, we had George Osborne say

:55:50.:55:53.

that we are going to have grow faster than Germany, faster than

:55:54.:55:58.

America. In those sorts of basics, he is on the right course now, isn't

:55:59.:56:02.

it you might up the economy fell off a cliff, the financial crisis, GDP,

:56:03.:56:09.

the OBR figures indicated it fell 72%. -- 7.2%. We have actually got a

:56:10.:56:23.

debt fuelled economy, and the Governor of the Bank of England only

:56:24.:56:26.

this month said that three quarters of the growth will be by

:56:27.:56:32.

consumption, by housing and by consumers. So that is not a good

:56:33.:56:37.

picture, taking it in the long term. Ken Clarke, one of your

:56:38.:56:41.

colleagues was on the programme earlier, acknowledging that Labour

:56:42.:56:45.

has shifted the whole political debate onto the cost of living. That

:56:46.:56:50.

is a real problem, isn't it? The national indicators are one thing,

:56:51.:56:54.

but real lives are quite different. I do not think they have. There is a

:56:55.:57:00.

cost of living problem, of course, but too exploited by making

:57:01.:57:03.

absolutely absurd suggestions that the government can arbitrarily frees

:57:04.:57:06.

energy bills, whatever happens to the cost of energy, was ridiculous.

:57:07.:57:11.

It has gone beyond just energy, it is how people feel in terms of wages

:57:12.:57:16.

and everything else. Underlying it all, of course, nobody knows

:57:17.:57:19.

anything about macroeconomics and expects to see a sudden surge in

:57:20.:57:26.

living standards. He would not have expected as to bounce back in the

:57:27.:57:30.

first three years. Was Ed Balls wrong to say that people in 2015

:57:31.:57:34.

will be worse off than when you came to power in 2010? We do not know for

:57:35.:57:39.

certain, but because of the mess we took over, the country has been

:57:40.:57:42.

rendered poorer. The economy crashed by 7%, the currency devalued by 25%,

:57:43.:57:49.

forcing petrol prices up and everything else. There is no doubt

:57:50.:57:54.

it is a slow recovery. George Osborne acknowledged that, and he

:57:55.:57:57.

continued to show the way forward, tackling debt, deficit, tackling the

:57:58.:58:02.

structural problems, getting back to normality. It is nonsense to try to

:58:03.:58:06.

divert people to say it is we will cut your gas bill arbitrarily, which

:58:07.:58:10.

is not changing things. John McFall, in terms of efforts to help, we saw

:58:11.:58:15.

the announcement on energy, a freeze in fuel duty, a cap on business

:58:16.:58:19.

rates, free school meals at primary school, what would you do

:58:20.:58:24.

differently at this stage? We have just got a billboard broadcasting

:58:25.:58:29.

that he was ?1600 was off under David Cameron. So you do not support

:58:30.:58:37.

those things? What David Cameron has done... To adapt Margaret

:58:38.:58:41.

Thatcher's phrase, you may be for you turning, but David Cameron is

:58:42.:58:44.

first in the queue. If it is payday loans, I will do it, plain packaging

:58:45.:58:49.

of cigarettes, energy bills, I will do it. They are not leaving, they

:58:50.:58:54.

are following, that is the problem, Ken. We heard another announcement,

:58:55.:58:57.

another National Infrastructure Plan, and in the Budget programme,

:58:58.:59:04.

Andrew Neil gave Danny Alexander a torrid time asking about delivery

:59:05.:59:09.

on, I think, the third National Infrastructure Plan. Why is it such

:59:10.:59:12.

a problem for government to deliver these things you say you will do? We

:59:13.:59:18.

have an infrastructure system, a legal system, a culture of constant

:59:19.:59:23.

debate and objection. We would not have had the industrial revolution

:59:24.:59:28.

if we had had this system in the early 19th century. The Government

:59:29.:59:31.

has targeted major infrastructure programmes, we are getting them

:59:32.:59:34.

under way, and we are going to be spending more on infrastructure in

:59:35.:59:38.

this decade than we did in Labour's decade, and we are progressing. We

:59:39.:59:42.

have to change the planning system, we have to take more thing through

:59:43.:59:46.

Parliament, rather than years of endless public inquiries, and we

:59:47.:59:49.

have got to make all the proper checks on where we go more

:59:50.:59:52.

sensible. Brunel would never have got started with out the reforms we

:59:53.:59:59.

are bringing in now. On pensions, that announcement bringing forward

:00:00.:00:03.

that we heard about, how can I put this delicately, perhaps both of you

:00:04.:00:07.

are champions of working later in dual careers, but we were talking to

:00:08.:00:11.

the TUC earlier, and they are saying, what has changed in terms of

:00:12.:00:16.

data on life expectancy to bring forward this proposal? Is it purely

:00:17.:00:22.

about politics and money? This was responsible government in the

:00:23.:00:25.

national interest. When my generation were working to pay the

:00:26.:00:28.

pensioners of our day, most of them only to their pension for three or

:00:29.:00:32.

four years. We greatly outnumbered the pensioners we were paying for.

:00:33.:00:36.

Our children, our grandchildren, they cannot pay people a state

:00:37.:00:40.

pension for 30 years when the pensioners will outnumber the

:00:41.:00:47.

working people. It is common sense. We have seen it with infrastructure,

:00:48.:00:52.

Ken was pathetic at trying to explain infrastructure. We need a

:00:53.:00:56.

serious examination on pensions to see if there is an intergenerational

:00:57.:01:01.

bias. Yes, we have got problems because of an ageing population. We

:01:02.:01:05.

need to have analysis, we just can't have sound bites. That was a 99%

:01:06.:01:14.

politics presentation. When you left office... Infrastructure... We can't

:01:15.:01:23.

have excuses after three years. We have got to leave it there, you can

:01:24.:01:27.

continue to argue the point. We have to go back to the studio.

:01:28.:01:32.

They will probably still be arguing when we go back to them. We are

:01:33.:01:37.

joined by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander, welcome

:01:38.:01:41.

to this Daily Politics special. You have got a recovery but it is a

:01:42.:01:45.

recovery without export growth and with business investment in

:01:46.:01:48.

decline. That therefore means it is unsustainable. I don't agree the

:01:49.:01:53.

recovery is unsustainable. You are certainly right to say that this

:01:54.:01:58.

country, as George Osborne said, has to do a lot more to grow our

:01:59.:02:03.

exports, especially when our major export remains depressed, the

:02:04.:02:08.

eurozone. The forecast there is for continued very slow economic

:02:09.:02:12.

activity, which is why we are working hard to expand trade in

:02:13.:02:19.

places like China. On business investment, if you look at the OBR

:02:20.:02:23.

forecast, you are right that it has been much slower than anticipated

:02:24.:02:27.

but they also forecast growing business investment. It is one of

:02:28.:02:30.

the things I have been talking about. The only way you can get

:02:31.:02:33.

sustainable improvements on living standards is with a strong economy

:02:34.:02:40.

matched by rising productivity. Business investment is one of the

:02:41.:02:43.

missing ingredients which is why we are putting so much pressure on

:02:44.:02:47.

businesses to invest. What will encourage businesses to invest? The

:02:48.:02:53.

measures on business rates are there to support small businesses. A lot

:02:54.:02:56.

of the investment will need to come from the small business sector. The

:02:57.:03:00.

Treasury coppers have about ?750 billion in them. -- coffers. What

:03:01.:03:05.

did the Chancellor do that would unlock that money? On business

:03:06.:03:13.

investment, there is about ?500 billion sitting on the corporate

:03:14.:03:18.

balance sheets, it has risen ?125 billion. Why won't they invest? We

:03:19.:03:26.

are starting to see signs of that investment. Six Britain's largest

:03:27.:03:30.

insurance companies pledged to divide billion pounds of investment

:03:31.:03:34.

in UK infrastructure, it is a welcome vote of confidence in the UK

:03:35.:03:38.

economy. One of the tests over the next 12 months will be, do we start

:03:39.:03:42.

to see businesses investing some of that cash. We are starting to see

:03:43.:03:47.

more investment because of better growth, we are seeing the UK

:03:48.:03:50.

performed better than other countries around the world. A lot of

:03:51.:03:54.

our conversations with business are about the need for businesses to

:03:55.:03:58.

invest, making sure we have a tax regime that helps to make this a

:03:59.:04:03.

good place to invest. You mention the insurance fund, six of them have

:04:04.:04:08.

agreed to invest 25 billion. How will that be any different from the

:04:09.:04:12.

pension funds that you told us had agreed to invest 20 billion? So far

:04:13.:04:17.

they have committed one billion and not 1p has been spent. I would say

:04:18.:04:24.

there has been good progress made on the pension fund issue. How much has

:04:25.:04:29.

been spent? It takes pension funds a long time to put in place these

:04:30.:04:33.

arrangements, they are investing billions of pounds this year and

:04:34.:04:38.

more India is to come. They haven't -- more in the years to come. They

:04:39.:04:43.

haven't spent a penny yet. It is for the pension funds to make decisions

:04:44.:04:48.

for themselves but for the first time, those funds have created a

:04:49.:04:53.

vehicle which enables them to invest in British infrastructure. For the

:04:54.:04:56.

insurance companies, the difference is the successful negotiations we

:04:57.:05:02.

had in Brussels... I have heard you talk about them before, by getting a

:05:03.:05:07.

successful outcome we have unlock the opportunity for those insurance

:05:08.:05:10.

Company is to invest. Hearing some of them talk about it yesterday, it

:05:11.:05:14.

is clear they want to get on with it because they see it as a crucial

:05:15.:05:22.

part of being able to fulfil their duties to their members. Why will

:05:23.:05:29.

they be quicker than pension funds? Pension funds had to create a new

:05:30.:05:34.

vehicle. In the UK, by and large, they are too small to invest in

:05:35.:05:38.

infrastructure by themselves. Why didn't you go to the insurance

:05:39.:05:43.

companies first? Because the regulations, which were uncertain

:05:44.:05:46.

and we were trying to win the negotiations in Brussels, were

:05:47.:05:49.

holding them back. The original proposals would have stopped them

:05:50.:05:52.

investing. Having won the argument we are unlocking ?25 billion of

:05:53.:05:56.

investment. It is not one to be criticised. Isn't the poster boy for

:05:57.:06:04.

you approach to infrastructure the a 14? You came into power come you

:06:05.:06:08.

cancelled the plan to upgrade the A14. You then decided to revive it

:06:09.:06:15.

but as a toll road, you then announced you're going to do what

:06:16.:06:19.

you got back in 2010, you are going to build the A14 of the government

:06:20.:06:24.

purse without tolls and it is going to cost 200 million more than if you

:06:25.:06:28.

started in 2010. After all this, not a single shovel has hit the ground.

:06:29.:06:33.

There have been a lot of things to sort out on the A14. A lot of

:06:34.:06:38.

planning and negotiation with the ports and developers who want to

:06:39.:06:42.

build housing along that route. We have also worked with the highways

:06:43.:06:45.

agency to speed up their processes so it will not take as long to build

:06:46.:06:51.

as if we built it under the procedures in 2010 that we

:06:52.:06:54.

inherited. If I am to be criticised to listening to the responses to

:06:55.:06:57.

because will take on and deciding not to go ahead, I disagree. You

:06:58.:07:03.

said it was simply unaffordable under any reasonable future funding

:07:04.:07:05.

scenario, and now you are building it. Because we have taken tough

:07:06.:07:10.

decisions on current spending, we have held it down. In June I was

:07:11.:07:15.

able to set out a ?100 billion plan to invest in roads and railways and

:07:16.:07:18.

in the structure that matters. We are able to afford precisely that.

:07:19.:07:24.

When will the good people of Felixstowe be able to drive on the

:07:25.:07:32.

road? The road will -- the work will start in 2016. Things like nuclear

:07:33.:07:39.

power stations and offshore wind turbines and massive road

:07:40.:07:42.

investments, they can't be suddenly delivered overnight. We have

:07:43.:07:50.

completed 30 Six Rd projects, 350 flood defences, 150 railway stations

:07:51.:08:03.

-- 36 road projects. ?46 billion has been invested per year on average on

:08:04.:08:08.

infrastructure compared to an average of 41 billion under the last

:08:09.:08:14.

government. The ABI says that by 2019, real spending on goods and

:08:15.:08:22.

services will be back to levels we have not seen since 1948. What do

:08:23.:08:27.

you think the colleagues in your party, the Liberal Democrats, will

:08:28.:08:33.

think about that? I am not sure I know precisely what figure you are

:08:34.:08:36.

referring to. It is repeated several times. Two things. Total government

:08:37.:08:45.

spending in 2018-19 will be at the same level in 2009. It is a lot to

:08:46.:08:51.

do with welfare going up, slow growth of the economy. You have

:08:52.:08:56.

asked me long winded questions and I am trying to give you short answer.

:08:57.:09:02.

There will be choices about the further steps in deficit reduction,

:09:03.:09:05.

do we do it through departmental spending, further reductions in

:09:06.:09:11.

costs, raising more taxes on wealthy people? What we are committed to and

:09:12.:09:16.

what the Conservatives are committed to is the path of deficit reduction.

:09:17.:09:19.

The precise com position of what the government does in 2016-17 and

:09:20.:09:26.

2018-19 will be a matter to be set out in the manifestoes of both

:09:27.:09:29.

parties. We did not hear word from Labour about the economy or their

:09:30.:09:34.

commitment to the continuing, what is underpinning this economy which

:09:35.:09:43.

is a firm plan... There was a talk of a charter for budget

:09:44.:09:47.

responsibility. It sounded like a trap, pre-election, from the Labour

:09:48.:09:51.

Party and Ed Balls, that you hope he will fall into. What is it that you

:09:52.:09:55.

and the Tories are prepared to agree on in that charter? There already is

:09:56.:10:03.

a charter for budget responsible to comment as part of the founding

:10:04.:10:07.

legislation of the OBR, it needs to be updated every so often. Our

:10:08.:10:11.

fiscal mandate is a rolling one over a five-year period. Should we

:10:12.:10:16.

shorten that period? That might be something we can do to bind the

:10:17.:10:20.

country into dealing with its financial problems on a responsible

:10:21.:10:24.

timescale. Other measures we could take to firm up the commitment to

:10:25.:10:29.

the path of deficit reduction... It will not be about this tax measure

:10:30.:10:32.

or that spending measure, it will be about trying to make sure that as a

:10:33.:10:36.

country, we have a firm Parliamentary commitment to that

:10:37.:10:37.

timetable. It is not quite a law because the

:10:38.:10:49.

current budget responsibility act or Eddie has a charter in it. It will

:10:50.:10:54.

be updating the charter to reflect current conditions -- already has a

:10:55.:10:58.

charter in it. How worried are you that the growth that we are seeing

:10:59.:11:03.

now is based primarily on increased consumer spending, more personal

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private debt and a housing bubble? I don't accept that is a fair

:11:08.:11:10.

characterisation of the growth we are seeing now. One of the things I

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am concerned about, and have been talking about a lot over the last

:11:15.:11:18.

few months, is the need for business investment to kick in and start

:11:19.:11:20.

responding to better economic conditions. That is one of the keys

:11:21.:11:24.

to ensuring we get better productivity. I am pleased that we

:11:25.:11:28.

are seeing a recovery not just in consumer spending but in the

:11:29.:11:32.

construction sector, manufacturing sector. The last two quarters of

:11:33.:11:35.

growth, strong wrist in the developed world. We are fairly even

:11:36.:11:39.

in the composition as between the major sectors of the economy. There

:11:40.:11:44.

is some balance but we need to make sure it continues. Business

:11:45.:11:50.

investment is the key. The accept that a recovery largely based on

:11:51.:11:53.

consumer spending, as it is at the moment, the one thing almost back to

:11:54.:12:00.

2008 levels, do you accept it is unsustainable when median pay levels

:12:01.:12:03.

have fallen to what they were like in 2003. I think what you are

:12:04.:12:07.

referring to is the fact that the service sector is a large proportion

:12:08.:12:11.

of our economy, it has been the case for a while. We therefore need to

:12:12.:12:15.

see strong recovery in services if we are to see a strong economic

:12:16.:12:19.

recovery in this country. There are a number of things we have been

:12:20.:12:22.

doing to make sure we have more disposable income in our pockets.

:12:23.:12:28.

Cutting income tax. Next April we will reach the Liberal Democrats

:12:29.:12:36.

promise of ?10,000 allowance, putting several hundred pounds back

:12:37.:12:40.

in people's pockets. Making it several p a litre less develop your

:12:41.:12:45.

tank of fuel than it would have done under Labour. All of which by

:12:46.:12:48.

helping people with disposable income. By the start of 2015, will

:12:49.:12:59.

people be better off than in 2010? There is some good analysis in the

:13:00.:13:02.

Autumn Statement document about this. You are right to say, and this

:13:03.:13:08.

is a consequence of the depth of the economic crisis, that pay levels

:13:09.:13:11.

have been suppressed. It is also true that household disposable

:13:12.:13:15.

income, that reflects the tax measures I have been describing, has

:13:16.:13:19.

been rising come albeit very slowly. It fell in 2011. It did. My view is

:13:20.:13:27.

that we need to keep working and taking difficult decisions elsewhere

:13:28.:13:30.

so that we can afford to do things like further increases in the

:13:31.:13:33.

personal allowance. One thing this government will not do is as the

:13:34.:13:40.

economy recovers, start frittering away the gains on short-term

:13:41.:13:48.

measures. I would like an answer to my question. I thought I had answer

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it. It was simple and you did not answer it. Will people be better off

:13:55.:13:59.

by the start of 2015 in 2010? It will depend on individual

:14:00.:14:05.

circumstances. On average! There are 1.4 million people in work compared

:14:06.:14:11.

to... I know that. Those people are better off. There is a ?40 billion

:14:12.:14:19.

commitment by this government. I didn't think I was going to get an

:14:20.:14:25.

answer. I thought it was an answer. Just not a good one. Not a good

:14:26.:14:32.

question, I would say. You better get an answer, it will be asked a

:14:33.:14:38.

lot! The office of budget responsibility have actually made a

:14:39.:14:42.

specific note that you haven't put in your books, any money for free

:14:43.:14:46.

school meals after the election, the removal of the cap on student

:14:47.:14:52.

numbers after the election, any money for some of the tax cuts after

:14:53.:14:56.

the election. Aren't you making commitments that people would assume

:14:57.:14:59.

our long term, but not coming up with the cash? They are scored in

:15:00.:15:07.

the first year of the next Parliament, and beyond that we have

:15:08.:15:09.

made an assumption about the total amount of spending, but because

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there are no public expenditure totals for those years, the costs

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sit within that. Equally, they also note that there are savings to be

:15:18.:15:20.

made in the spending round, which we scored this time. The policy we

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announced then on keeping social rent increases lower, that saves

:15:26.:15:29.

money on welfare bills, that was not scored, so the pressure on those

:15:30.:15:32.

future years is much less than people might assume, but those costs

:15:33.:15:35.

have to be found from within the overall envelope. Make it one the

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Chief Secretary will think is a good question! That is blatantly

:15:42.:15:52.

impossible! I am so sorry! What the OBR says is the single most

:15:53.:15:56.

important judgment is that productivity, output per worker in

:15:57.:16:00.

this country is going to Wright. Without that, this recovery will not

:16:01.:16:04.

be sustainable and these fiscal numbers will be blown up. I agree

:16:05.:16:12.

with that judgment, by the way. It is striking that many people will

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say there was nothing announced by the Chancellor today that is going

:16:17.:16:20.

to do anything to help productivity. Where are the measures to help with

:16:21.:16:24.

investment? The two biggest differences in productivity are

:16:25.:16:28.

infrastructure and skills. We have a massive expansion in

:16:29.:16:32.

apprenticeships, extra measures to help 16 and 17-year-olds, and that

:16:33.:16:39.

will help productivity. Not over the next two or three years. The big

:16:40.:16:45.

investment in infrastructure, that raises productivity. All of those

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things help productivity, as will Andrew's point. Was that a good

:16:50.:16:55.

question? That was a great question! He is going to be the nest economics

:16:56.:16:59.

editor. Is he really? Congratulations. I will be watching

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the show from the South of France! Take that! Danny Alexander, Chief

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Secretary to the Treasury, thank you very much for being on this Daily

:17:13.:17:18.

Politics special. Shall I give out the gold stars now? Just to the new

:17:19.:17:26.

economics editor! We can get some more political reaction now if we

:17:27.:17:30.

let Danny Alexander go and talk to Stewart Hosie of the SNP and Elfyn

:17:31.:17:34.

Llwyd of life Camry, both in Central Lobby, and they no doubt heard some

:17:35.:17:39.

of what Danny Alexander said. -- Clyde Camry. Let's ask you, Stewart

:17:40.:17:45.

Hosie, the economy is growing faster than any developed economy, the

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deficit is coming down, Britain could be building a surplus, what is

:17:49.:17:54.

not to like? If that were remotely true, it would be fantastic. The

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problem is that GDP growth forecast means that the economy is 2.5% lower

:18:00.:18:06.

than before the crash. The modest improvement in employment is to be

:18:07.:18:09.

welcomed but it is almost unchanged since this Government came to

:18:10.:18:14.

power, still 1 million people unemployed compared to pre-crash.

:18:15.:18:17.

George Osborne said the borrowing figures have fallen to 111 billion,

:18:18.:18:22.

still 15 billion more than he promised in his first Budget only

:18:23.:18:26.

three years ago. He has failed on every single one of the targets he

:18:27.:18:32.

has given himself. Despite what Stewart Hosie says, Elfyn Llwyd,

:18:33.:18:35.

growth is back and it is actually going to be stronger than initially

:18:36.:18:39.

forecast. One of the things that the Chancellor announced as a trade-off

:18:40.:18:43.

was a rise in the state pension age, before you can get your state

:18:44.:18:47.

pension, is that justifiable? We don't think so, because we thought

:18:48.:18:53.

the 68-69 level was bad enough, but the announcement now of 70 years of

:18:54.:18:57.

age is utterly unfair. I will tell you why, because in some

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underprivileged areas of the UK, and I name for example the South Wales

:19:02.:19:04.

valleys, might expectancy is as low as 75, though Izzie saying you will

:19:05.:19:09.

give an old-age pension of five years' pension before he or she

:19:10.:19:16.

passes away? It is not on. You are sticking to your public spending

:19:17.:19:18.

commitments in that independence referendum, you will commit to that

:19:19.:19:23.

level of public spending in years to come due back I am not quite sure

:19:24.:19:29.

what you mean by that stopped the Scottish Government has laid out

:19:30.:19:32.

certain things we would like to see done, but the economic situation we

:19:33.:19:37.

inherit when we become independent is the economic situation we

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inherit. Decisions will need to be taken by subsequent Scottish

:19:44.:19:47.

Government. Are you making promises you cannot keep already? Absolutely

:19:48.:19:51.

not, we have laid out very clearly things like removing the bedroom

:19:52.:19:56.

tax, which is completely iniquitous, so the pledges which have been made

:19:57.:19:59.

have been made, but we need to look in detail at the economic situation

:20:00.:20:04.

we inherit in 2016. What about business rates? The Chancellor has

:20:05.:20:07.

got a cap on the increase in business rates at 2%, what will you

:20:08.:20:14.

do? I think that is welcome, a very sensible move forward, and can I say

:20:15.:20:18.

as well there are two good things in this, the national insurance holiday

:20:19.:20:22.

to bring youngsters into work, that is not at all a bad idea. And also

:20:23.:20:28.

increased tax avoidance measures, all these things for the good, I do

:20:29.:20:32.

think that is right. But overall the problem we have is there is

:20:33.:20:36.

considerable growth where we are now, but in other parts of the UK is

:20:37.:20:41.

cannot be seen anywhere. What about business rates? What about your

:20:42.:20:46.

government in Scotland? Interest-rate are completely

:20:47.:20:48.

devolved, and some of the measures he announced today for sees Scottish

:20:49.:20:55.

businesses paying less business rates. -- is this rates are

:20:56.:21:01.

completely devolved. I am sure the Scottish Government will look at

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what there may be from this measure, and they will then determine whether

:21:05.:21:08.

action on business rates is the best way to stimulator economic growth,

:21:09.:21:11.

or whether the money can be used in a different way, but that is a

:21:12.:21:15.

decision for the Scottish Government. But you will get less

:21:16.:21:19.

money from the Barnett formula as a result. The Government announced a

:21:20.:21:24.

modest increase because of the Barnett formula, I have not seen the

:21:25.:21:27.

numbers, so we need to work out precisely what that means, taking

:21:28.:21:30.

into consideration that even if there is a modest increase in

:21:31.:21:33.

revenues bending, it will barely dent the massive cuts we have had in

:21:34.:21:37.

revenue and capital over the last three years. -- revenue spending.

:21:38.:21:45.

My little gremlins have just pointed out to me that, hidden in the

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figures, there is an extra 11 billion due to be sent to what is

:21:50.:21:53.

called EU institutions over the next five years, an extra 11 billion,

:21:54.:21:59.

just wait until Peter Bone finds out! Look, it has just gone one

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o'clock, seven minutes past, to be exact, you are watching live

:22:04.:22:08.

coverage and analysis of the Chancellor's Autumn Statement here

:22:09.:22:11.

on the Daily Politics special. Let's take a look if you are breaking for

:22:12.:22:14.

lunch and have a Sammut and copy by your side, let's take a look at what

:22:15.:22:20.

was announced by the Chancellor. -- a sandwich. The Office for Budget

:22:21.:22:23.

Responsibility's forecasts are here, saying that growth will be stronger

:22:24.:22:28.

than it thought, 1.4% this year, pretty much a consensus. 2.4% on

:22:29.:22:35.

2014, it has had to up that as well, but then dipping to 2.2% in 2015, a

:22:36.:22:41.

bit of a surprise, and that will merit some investigation why it goes

:22:42.:22:45.

down and not towards 3%. Borrowing, as a result of this growth, the

:22:46.:22:49.

Government gets more tax revenue, fewer people are unemployed, it

:22:50.:22:56.

helps, borrowing comes down below what was forecast in March, down to

:22:57.:23:01.

111 billion for this fiscal year. The next fiscal year starting in

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April 2014, down to 96 billion, then down to 79 billion in the election

:23:08.:23:14.

year, 2015. Even by 2015, it is a lot, and originally the Chancellor

:23:15.:23:17.

had hoped there would be no deficit by 2015. It is still 79 billion. As

:23:18.:23:23.

a result of this fall in the deficit, though, the OBR are saying

:23:24.:23:28.

that there could be a small surplus by 2018-19. That is interesting, I

:23:29.:23:32.

would counsel caution here, because nobody really has an idea what the

:23:33.:23:40.

deficit will be by then. These estimates have always been wrong,

:23:41.:23:43.

but it is interesting when they are within shouting distance. The

:23:44.:23:45.

national debt continue to rise because we are still racking up the

:23:46.:23:50.

deficit for the next few years, and it is expected now to beat a little

:23:51.:23:56.

lower than earlier, 80% of GDP by 2015-16. As Robert pointed out

:23:57.:24:00.

earlier, that is the British Treasury definition. If you take the

:24:01.:24:03.

Maastricht definition for the European Union under the treaty

:24:04.:24:06.

which allows you to compare our deficit with deficit in other major

:24:07.:24:11.

European economies, it is actually around 100%, rather than 80%, a lot

:24:12.:24:17.

more. Unemployment is to fall to 7% in 2015, 5.6% in 2018, and that has

:24:18.:24:24.

always been a key political figure, but all the more so now because the

:24:25.:24:28.

Governor of the Bank of England has says that when unemployment gets

:24:29.:24:31.

down to 7%, he will look at raising interest rates. At least that is a

:24:32.:24:37.

possible trigger to do that. While the Chancellor was delivering his

:24:38.:24:41.

statement, we discovered that the bank has decided to keep interest

:24:42.:24:46.

rates at 0.5%, the historic low, and to keep quantitative easing, the

:24:47.:24:51.

printing of money electronically, at ?375 billion. No surprises there .

:24:52.:24:58.

Those are the headlines at the Chancellor announced, back to

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Susannah Streeter, who is at the Trafford Centre in Greater

:25:03.:25:05.

Manchester. Susannah. Hello, yes, we heard from the

:25:06.:25:09.

Chancellor that the economic plan is working, but is that really being

:25:10.:25:14.

felt here in the north-west of England? I am at the Trafford

:25:15.:25:18.

Centre, which is a real temple of retail, and this is a very important

:25:19.:25:22.

time of the year for businesses in the run-up to Christmas. Of course,

:25:23.:25:25.

all the signs are good, growth has returned to the economy with a

:25:26.:25:30.

vengeance since March, unemployment is steadily falling, but with

:25:31.:25:34.

productivity low and wages stagnant, is it all good news? Let's have a

:25:35.:25:42.

chat with Kevin from Unison, what is your main concern? The Chancellor

:25:43.:25:47.

made no mention whatsoever of pay. Britain needs a pay rise. Real

:25:48.:25:50.

earnings in Britain are at 2003 levels, ?53 billion has been removed

:25:51.:25:58.

from the national pay packet, and we need an increase in earnings in this

:25:59.:26:02.

country if we are to have growth. The Government says it has to be

:26:03.:26:05.

responsible and live within its means. That will ring hollow with

:26:06.:26:09.

people here in the north-west to have struggled to live within

:26:10.:26:12.

limited means. Tens of thousands of people are using food banks in this

:26:13.:26:15.

region, and what we need is to ensure that as as the economy grows,

:26:16.:26:20.

workers who sustained so much pain during this period have their share

:26:21.:26:24.

of economic growth. Thank you very much, a lot of people are hoping to

:26:25.:26:28.

get onto the housing market, they were looking for some kind of

:26:29.:26:32.

announcements to help them as well, and the national Stacey Asian of

:26:33.:26:38.

estate agents -- the national Association of estate agents is

:26:39.:26:43.

here. We were hoping for something on stamp duty, we will continue to

:26:44.:26:47.

campaign for a reduction or form on stamp duty, because it inhibits

:26:48.:26:54.

movements of houses. -- reduction or reform. Putting ?1 billion behind

:26:55.:27:06.

the scheme should see some movement on affordable homes. What will the

:27:07.:27:11.

impact the capital gains on those nonresidents who sell second homes?

:27:12.:27:16.

I think the impact will be minimal, because those who are buying second

:27:17.:27:19.

homes are buying them for the long-term, not the short-term. And

:27:20.:27:24.

you think it is just going to affect the south-east. I think the

:27:25.:27:28.

predominantly, yes, but certainly when the Chancellor was talking

:27:29.:27:32.

about house price inflation, even in 2018, 3% below the high, that shows

:27:33.:27:37.

they recognise there is not a bubble nationally. Mark Heywood, many

:27:38.:27:41.

thanks. Throughout the programme we have been asking for your comments,

:27:42.:27:45.

opinions and questions about what the Chancellor had to say. Paul

:27:46.:27:50.

Lewis from the BBC's Moneybox has been taking those questions, what

:27:51.:27:54.

are people saying to you? People are very concerned about the rising

:27:55.:27:58.

state pension age. Adrian says, by the time I retire, it could be 71.

:27:59.:28:02.

If you are a teenager, that might be the case. If you are in your 50s, it

:28:03.:28:10.

will be 67. If you are in your 20s, it will be 70. People have been

:28:11.:28:14.

making the point that people do not magically remain fit just because

:28:15.:28:17.

the Government raises the pension age. I have asked weeks from people

:28:18.:28:22.

in their 60s who cannot work or get a pension, people are very worried

:28:23.:28:26.

about that. Comments about the marriage tax allowance. Strangely,

:28:27.:28:31.

Karen tweeted to say, I presume that is her husband, I will not be

:28:32.:28:37.

claiming the married tax break it is insulting and discriminatory. It

:28:38.:28:40.

could be ?200 the year when one partner does not pay tax, but she is

:28:41.:28:45.

going to turn it down. There will be lots more comments coming through,

:28:46.:28:50.

how do people get in touch? On the BBC website, you can text, 61124,

:28:51.:29:00.

and you can tweet me. Lovely, Paul Lewis, thank you very much. Yet at

:29:01.:29:04.

the Trafford Centre, we have not seen any empty shops, but up and

:29:05.:29:08.

down the country there are plenty, and the Chancellor's plans for

:29:09.:29:11.

business rate relief and discounts will be debated very strongly

:29:12.:29:15.

amongst those small businesses. We will be getting reaction from them a

:29:16.:29:18.

little bit later, finding out whether they think it will help them

:29:19.:29:27.

to revitalise town centres. Let's see how Mr Osborne's statement has

:29:28.:29:32.

gone down in the city. Give us your first reaction. It is a not rocking

:29:33.:29:39.

the boat statement as everyone was hoping for, a good indication of how

:29:40.:29:44.

sentiment is is what the pound does on the foreign exchange market. We

:29:45.:29:48.

saw very little movement in that. I think people are glad that we are

:29:49.:29:54.

sticking to the plan as it is now. And maybe the forecasts were the

:29:55.:29:57.

more surprising part of the statement today. In terms of some of

:29:58.:30:01.

the measures, will there be people in the city who will be nervous

:30:02.:30:05.

about the measures on tax avoidance, capital gains tax imposed on

:30:06.:30:09.

nonresidents who sell residential property in the UK from next year?

:30:10.:30:16.

It has been a talking point. If we look at the London market as a

:30:17.:30:19.

bubble, we are seeing incredible growth still at the high-end of the

:30:20.:30:24.

London housing market. Many people are thinking, is it going to mark a

:30:25.:30:29.

top? We have seen plenty of foreign money buying London property as a

:30:30.:30:32.

safe haven and maybe that will start to struggle. In terms of worries

:30:33.:30:37.

about boom and bust, Abe returned to those sorts of economics -- a

:30:38.:30:45.

return? It is always a worry. We can't describe what we have been in

:30:46.:30:48.

as a boom, there is still concern about the housing markets. They are

:30:49.:30:54.

seeing this as a steady pair of hands to hopefully continue the

:30:55.:30:56.

growth that we have seen over the prior six months. There are some to

:30:57.:31:01.

the right of the Tory Party who would have said, you are saving

:31:02.:31:04.

money because borrowing is down, why not use that money for tax cuts, why

:31:05.:31:09.

not stimulate the economy in that way? I think most people like to see

:31:10.:31:15.

a tax cut. Maybe he has one eye on the election and he is thinking,

:31:16.:31:20.

maybe I will do this nearer the election. Maybe it is something for

:31:21.:31:25.

the Budget prior to the election. I think maybe that is why we're not

:31:26.:31:30.

seeing the tax cuts there. Thank you.

:31:31.:31:35.

It looks like the capital gains tax on foreign owners is going to raise

:31:36.:31:41.

all of ?15 million in 2015. Which I think gets you about a one-bedroom

:31:42.:31:46.

flat in Knightsbridge. A couple of basements in Kensington. Alan? --

:31:47.:31:52.

what about bull? -- the pound is now trading above ?1

:31:53.:32:13.

63. We had this cut in the valuation but it can't be helpful that it is

:32:14.:32:19.

at that level. It is not good news for exporters. Broadly what happened

:32:20.:32:23.

which is a bit of a pain, many people say that when sterling fell,

:32:24.:32:28.

rather than aggressively seeking out new markets and seeking advantage of

:32:29.:32:33.

the competitiveness that was on offer, lots of company simply pushed

:32:34.:32:36.

up their margins and banked bigger profits. It is not a bad thing

:32:37.:32:44.

except that they then sat on those profits, rather than investing them.

:32:45.:32:50.

Plainly, as you go into what we hope is a sustainable economic upturn,

:32:51.:32:54.

you would want them to start investing them. If their profits are

:32:55.:32:57.

being squeezed by the strength of the pound, you probably won't, so it

:32:58.:33:05.

is not Holywell come. -- holy welcome -- it is not wholly welcome.

:33:06.:33:14.

To get a reaction to the changes to the pension age, we can join Dave

:33:15.:33:23.

Harvey at a business in Swindon. They are flat out making cardboard

:33:24.:33:28.

boxes. Haven't seen any red boxes come off yet. The growth of 1.4%

:33:29.:33:34.

means places like this are much busier. Because as Britain's

:33:35.:33:39.

manufacturing industry gets busier, they make more staff. Have a look

:33:40.:33:46.

through here, it is rammed to the rafters with cardboard boxes for all

:33:47.:33:51.

kinds of industry. As you say, for the staff, it is another five years

:33:52.:33:57.

making boxes. Lisa and Matt are here for up looking forward to working

:33:58.:34:02.

until you are 70? No, it is not a thought I want to think about, the

:34:03.:34:05.

thought of working for the next 45 years does not please me. Where do

:34:06.:34:11.

they draw the line? Next time there is a speech, why not another year or

:34:12.:34:15.

two years? Then you are paying into a pension and you don't know when

:34:16.:34:20.

you're going to withdraw the funds. Was it a surprise? I don't think

:34:21.:34:26.

so. Most people would have expected it. I agree with Lisa but I can't

:34:27.:34:33.

say I am surprised. Let's speak to Stella from mainline recruitment.

:34:34.:34:38.

You are seeing more people getting work now. Definitely, we are seeing

:34:39.:34:46.

more jobs, a variety of sectors are busier, temporary and permanent

:34:47.:34:48.

positions, much busier than it has been. We are all talking about in 30

:34:49.:34:53.

years but people are already working until they are 70. Lots of people

:34:54.:35:00.

are not retiring early and are still working at 70 plus. It means that

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younger people can't get through the door and there are not so many job

:35:04.:35:08.

vacancies. The other knock-on effect of this, companies like this, the

:35:09.:35:15.

guy who runs the place was saying, how do you manage people out when

:35:16.:35:20.

that they can't do a factory job and they can't hear so well. It is

:35:21.:35:24.

difficult, it is not just about age but capability and a lot of

:35:25.:35:27.

companies have to move people around if they are not able to work in the

:35:28.:35:31.

warehouse. It becomes another burden for the businesses sometimes. Thank

:35:32.:35:39.

you for those reflections. No one is exactly celebrating working until

:35:40.:35:43.

they are 70 but this place is seeing that growth we heard about, although

:35:44.:35:47.

no one is really opening the champagne yet. You shouldn't drink

:35:48.:35:52.

champagne at work anyway! We are joined by Paul Johnson, the director

:35:53.:35:56.

of the Institute for Fiscal Studies. Give me your headline thoughts, what

:35:57.:36:02.

have we missed? What is the slight of hand in the book rest

:36:03.:36:06.

the overall story is as we have seen. The OBR said the underlying

:36:07.:36:18.

deficit is exactly where it was, just that we will get to where we

:36:19.:36:22.

want to a bit faster in terms of the actual... What he has called the

:36:23.:36:29.

structural deficit. Exactly. A couple of things are rather

:36:30.:36:32.

interesting. One is that we don't see the additional spending

:36:33.:36:39.

commitments scored after 2015-16. We have seen that before. It is one of

:36:40.:36:42.

these rather difficult things about the way the Treasury scores its

:36:43.:36:46.

numbers and thinks about public spending. It lives in this kind of

:36:47.:36:51.

world in which it acts as if it believes that nothing it says now is

:36:52.:36:56.

committing itself in the long run. That is how spending reviews have

:36:57.:37:01.

always worked. We saw this in the budget in terms of the funding for

:37:02.:37:06.

social care and child care. We saw it in terms of the changes to

:37:07.:37:09.

funding for national insurance contributions. It means even bigger

:37:10.:37:14.

pressures on public spending going forward than you will see in these

:37:15.:37:18.

numbers. The surplus may be a fiction? It means there is more to

:37:19.:37:24.

be done with in the extremely tight spending cuts. The cuts remain at

:37:25.:37:33.

the same level, you need to fit more staff within the same envelope. What

:37:34.:37:39.

is your take on the claim of Ed Balls that on average, we are ?1600

:37:40.:37:46.

worse off? Household incomes are significantly lower in real terms

:37:47.:37:49.

than before the recession. It is hardly surprising. We have had the

:37:50.:37:54.

biggest recession in 100 years, national income went down by 7%, it

:37:55.:38:00.

is still below where it was. That is part of what is going on. In a

:38:01.:38:09.

sense, the plus side of this is despite the fact that national

:38:10.:38:13.

income is below where it was in 2008, employment levels are much

:38:14.:38:17.

higher. There are not so many people out of work as you would expect.

:38:18.:38:23.

Everyone in work really has felt a significant and historically big

:38:24.:38:29.

squeeze on their incomes. You were about to tell me there was a slight

:38:30.:38:33.

of hand with the student loan book. What is going on there? It is not

:38:34.:38:40.

necessarily slight of hand but it is the way these kinds of figures work.

:38:41.:38:44.

The Chancellor said he is going to sell off the student loan book. It

:38:45.:38:48.

is worth money in the sense that students will be paying back their

:38:49.:38:53.

loans in the future. In the real sense, that is a neutral thing for

:38:54.:38:57.

the government. It sells off something which would get it some

:38:58.:39:01.

money in the future. But he is saying, I am going to take that

:39:02.:39:04.

money and use it to pay for more students to come in. He is going to

:39:05.:39:11.

use that money to pay for extra students. But by selling the loan

:39:12.:39:16.

book, he has not made the public sector any better off, but he has

:39:17.:39:19.

increased the amount he has to spend on the surplus. Have real household

:39:20.:39:29.

disposable income is gone up? The Chancellor uses that phrase

:39:30.:39:32.

deliberately. Real household disposable income is rising. As I

:39:33.:39:36.

understand it, it is an aggregate figure, putting everybody in the

:39:37.:39:40.

country together and saying that because more people are in jobs,

:39:41.:39:44.

overall incomes are up. How do you make sense of the difference between

:39:45.:39:47.

that claim and acclaim from Labour that households are on average ?1600

:39:48.:39:54.

worse off. Can they both be true? Probably not, the chief secretary is

:39:55.:39:59.

using a number produced by the Office for National Statistics which

:40:00.:40:02.

has a lot of things in it, including some money which is not in the

:40:03.:40:09.

household sector. It uses different deflators, it is not using CPI but

:40:10.:40:14.

other measures and it is put together in a way that probably only

:40:15.:40:17.

a few people in the ONS actually understand. The other statistics

:40:18.:40:22.

that one sees, which are less conferencing and less up-to-date,

:40:23.:40:26.

but we do understand, our first that we know for sure that household

:40:27.:40:31.

incomes on average were falling up to about 18 months ago, there is no

:40:32.:40:35.

reason to believe they have increased much since then. And we

:40:36.:40:38.

know that average earnings have been falling. There are different sets of

:40:39.:40:43.

statistic that people are flinging at each other. The 1600 figure is

:40:44.:40:51.

telling in the difference between the rise in wages and the higher

:40:52.:40:55.

rise in prices. When you do that, real wages have been falling against

:40:56.:40:59.

prices. The government would argue that the measures should be wider

:41:00.:41:03.

and take into account the tax cuts, the council tax freeze and so on.

:41:04.:41:07.

What can we use as journalists, as a measure to hold the politicians to

:41:08.:41:12.

account? You have different things affecting different people. Wages

:41:13.:41:15.

have increased much less quickly than inflation. That is not

:41:16.:41:19.

surprising. We have had a great recession, the biggest recession in

:41:20.:41:26.

100 years. It would be astonishing if household income had not fallen.

:41:27.:41:31.

Earnings have fallen by a bit more for people in work because there are

:41:32.:41:35.

more people in work. More of us are in work producing less stuff. You

:41:36.:41:47.

have said the typical disposable income of a British person is at

:41:48.:41:51.

2003 levels, when do you think it is going to be back at where it was at

:41:52.:41:57.

the start of this Parliament? It doesn't that like it will be back

:41:58.:42:03.

there by 2015. -- doesn't look like. It depends significantly on

:42:04.:42:07.

what happens to earnings. I haven't looked at the most recent earnings

:42:08.:42:12.

figures but if you eat use last year's OBR, expectations about what

:42:13.:42:16.

is happening to earnings and we plug in what is happening to taxes and

:42:17.:42:20.

social security, it looks like in 2015 people will be no better off

:42:21.:42:28.

than in 2001. There is a slight dip in the growth forecast, is that

:42:29.:42:33.

significant or is it just one of those statistical things that you

:42:34.:42:36.

have to live with, it goes down and back up again? It is telling us a

:42:37.:42:41.

bit about why the OBR is saying that growth is higher this year than

:42:42.:42:46.

next. It is essentially cyclical, we get the growth now and as a result

:42:47.:42:50.

we get less growth later on. Overall they are not saying any more growth

:42:51.:42:55.

in the economy in steady state over the long run. We are getting it now

:42:56.:43:07.

rather than later. Since the OBR has been consistently wrong, why should

:43:08.:43:12.

we take any notice? Every forecast ever has been consistently wrong!

:43:13.:43:18.

That is the nature of forecasting. You take the growth for this year,

:43:19.:43:26.

they have gone back to where they were in the Autumn Statement in

:43:27.:43:32.

2012, which is when they were forecasting this. This is the

:43:33.:43:36.

serious point of my question. Just as the economy was beginning to turn

:43:37.:43:40.

in March of this year, around budget time, the OBR cut its forecast from

:43:41.:43:48.

1.4, to 0.6. And now back again in December of this year, it is back to

:43:49.:43:58.

1.4. Why take it seriously? You have to look at these things. I talked to

:43:59.:44:06.

a lot of people who do economic forecasting and about May or June,

:44:07.:44:10.

people suddenly got cheerful. In March, the OBR were very good

:44:11.:44:15.

company. They didn't see the recovery. Isn't that right? They

:44:16.:44:22.

didn't. There is something a bit odd about short-term forecasting.

:44:23.:44:27.

Because as you point out, it is not just the OBR, although it has been

:44:28.:44:33.

very visible. You never get it right. The worry about it is that it

:44:34.:44:39.

is off the back of these wrong fluctuating forecasts that

:44:40.:44:42.

government makes some quite important decisions. About tax and

:44:43.:44:50.

spend. It isn't something that one regards as completely trivial, but

:44:51.:44:54.

it is a problem. They have not change the structural place that the

:44:55.:44:57.

economy is in and that is what determines the choices. The thing

:44:58.:45:04.

that really will affect the political debate, if you get rid of

:45:05.:45:08.

all this chat about forecasts and so on, essentially they have said the

:45:09.:45:13.

problem is just as it was before. It does not matter that we are growing

:45:14.:45:16.

faster, the deficit problem is exactly what it was before. Is that

:45:17.:45:23.

right? The deficit problem is, in long-term structural terms, is the

:45:24.:45:27.

same as it was nine months ago, much bigger than it was three years ago.

:45:28.:45:31.

No great change, and that is why the Chancellor has been careful to say

:45:32.:45:34.

that the bits of money he is giving away, he is also taking back. Wobbly

:45:35.:45:40.

politically helpful, because George Osborne has got the thing he wanted,

:45:41.:45:44.

growth is more than expected, his plan is working, but the whole is

:45:45.:45:48.

just as big as it was, so the problem is just as big, therefore

:45:49.:45:53.

the job must be carried on. That prediction that many people will

:45:54.:45:56.

struggle to understand the detail of the structural deficit, that is

:45:57.:46:01.

politically quite helpful for him. The question I was dragged to ask,

:46:02.:46:04.

do you agree with the OBR that this recovery is purely cyclical and that

:46:05.:46:10.

therefore the underlying problem of public finances is as bad as it ever

:46:11.:46:15.

was? Well, we do not get into this mugs game! Can I say, I think there

:46:16.:46:28.

is a vacancy in the market?! Is boss used to run the IFS! He knows that,

:46:29.:46:33.

and I certainly knew it! Tell him I was asking for him. You might be

:46:34.:46:38.

frightened by that prospect. Let's find out how the statement is being

:46:39.:46:44.

written up, two of Fleet Street's finest with Matthew.

:46:45.:46:48.

I am joined on College Green by Elizabeth Rigby from the Financial

:46:49.:46:51.

Times and Kevin Maguire from the Mirror, thank you for your time,

:46:52.:46:55.

what will you be writing? What we will be writing is that this was the

:46:56.:46:59.

victory speech of George Osborne, if you like. Growth figures, biggest

:47:00.:47:05.

growth since the millennium, calling a surplus toward the end of the

:47:06.:47:09.

decade, and so this was the moment where his plan was proved right, his

:47:10.:47:12.

Conservative backbenchers, their tails were up, and I think it was a

:47:13.:47:18.

very positive story for him, more uncomfortable for Labour. Kevin. It

:47:19.:47:23.

was a bit like Paul Potts, ignoring the last three and a half years,

:47:24.:47:29.

downgrading forecasts. There is a big battle at home between

:47:30.:47:34.

Conservative and Labour, a lot of people will be watching and thinking

:47:35.:47:37.

we are talking about this great economy that seems to be booming,

:47:38.:47:41.

but I am not feeling it. On the cost of living, Elizabeth, George Osborne

:47:42.:47:48.

spooked Gordon Brown when he was back in opposition on inheritance

:47:49.:47:50.

tax, spooked him enough not to call a general election. Did Ed Miliband

:47:51.:47:56.

do the same for this government on cost of living? On fuel prices and

:47:57.:48:01.

just broadly, I think they have, and the point about today, what George

:48:02.:48:05.

Osborne is trying to do, saying, here is the economics, giving

:48:06.:48:11.

something back for the next budget. Do you think people sitting on a

:48:12.:48:16.

sober think about microeconomics? I think that's the thing is that you

:48:17.:48:21.

want to hit with tax cuts when it has most potency for boaters, and I

:48:22.:48:25.

would suggest that next year, before the election or just six months

:48:26.:48:29.

before is when he does that. -- voters. Isn't the problem for

:48:30.:48:35.

Labour, on the biggest use, welfare, immigration, they have got it wrong

:48:36.:48:38.

and are being forced to change policy? On the bedroom tax, they

:48:39.:48:44.

have not. On the economy, it depends how you look at it and which bits

:48:45.:48:49.

you look at, because people do feel that their standard of living is

:48:50.:48:52.

falling, because it is. There has only been one month when wages have

:48:53.:48:56.

gone up more than prices, that was when bankers held over their bonuses

:48:57.:49:00.

to cash in on the tax cuts which George Osborne provided. It is a

:49:01.:49:03.

battle for the hearts and minds, the wallets and purses of Britain, but

:49:04.:49:08.

Labour was talking the language of ordinary people, and it is the

:49:09.:49:13.

Conservatives who sounds like 1930s Stalinist officials talking about

:49:14.:49:17.

pig iron production in the Ukraine! There is strong growth, the fastest

:49:18.:49:21.

in the G7 predicted for next year, is the problem, though,

:49:22.:49:25.

sustainability? A lot of that growth potentially around housing, around

:49:26.:49:29.

consumer spending is out of savings. Beyond the headline speech

:49:30.:49:35.

and the headline figures today, in the OBR statement which was the

:49:36.:49:37.

independent statement on the government figures, there is a sign

:49:38.:49:41.

that there is a housing bubble emerging. There has been concerns

:49:42.:49:46.

over the right to buy scheme, the Help To Buy scheme, sorry, and if

:49:47.:49:50.

you look at it, it looks from the OBR forecast that house prices could

:49:51.:49:55.

start hitting the peaks we saw in 2007. Just a final thought from both

:49:56.:49:59.

of you, this argument we have heard played out in the Commons is the

:50:00.:50:02.

ideal and we will see over the next 18 months leading into the general

:50:03.:50:08.

election. Isn't the problem we will have the election and the winner is

:50:09.:50:11.

posterity? There will be much more of this coming. Labour would have

:50:12.:50:15.

had an austere period, although bizarrely George Osborne is doing

:50:16.:50:17.

what Alistair Darling said in terms of the deficit. He was go to clear

:50:18.:50:22.

it all this parliament, now it is going to be 2019. Andrew Neil at

:50:23.:50:26.

Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, early on the

:50:27.:50:29.

programme, will people be better off in 2015 and 2010? Danny Alexander

:50:30.:50:34.

could not say yes. That is a problem for the coalition. They may have

:50:35.:50:38.

doubts about Labour copper but if they are not better off after five

:50:39.:50:42.

years of George Osborne, easy going to get another five? The only thing

:50:43.:50:46.

I would say about that is that the problem that Labour have not faced

:50:47.:50:51.

is that they are not trusted on the economy. George Osborne is gambling

:50:52.:50:55.

on posterity now, a hand-out towards the election, and that could be very

:50:56.:51:00.

potent. Bribes. Isn't that what every government does? That is why

:51:01.:51:05.

we are in a mess! Thank you very much for your time, back to the

:51:06.:51:09.

studio. Just a little titbit we are picking

:51:10.:51:14.

up here, the OBR, the Office for Budget Responsibility, has increased

:51:15.:51:17.

its forecast for house price rises, with the extra demand, expecting

:51:18.:51:22.

house price inflation to be above 5% in 2014, and 7% in 2015. Relative to

:51:23.:51:29.

the March forecast, they say they have revised the levels of house

:51:30.:51:35.

prices up 10% by 2017-18. Interesting. It is interesting,

:51:36.:51:38.

although 5% might be an underestimate. We will see, it is

:51:39.:51:44.

one of the bees and is why the Bank of England recently cut back the

:51:45.:51:51.

supply of cheap funding to banks. -- it is one of the reasons. Nick

:51:52.:51:55.

Robinson has just popped out to do another part of the BBC, Radio 4. He

:51:56.:52:00.

will be joining us again, we are broadcasting to you until two

:52:01.:52:03.

o'clock in the Daily Politics special. It is now 24 minutes before

:52:04.:52:09.

two o'clock, let's bring you up with the key points if you have just

:52:10.:52:12.

coming over lunch to switch on the TV, this was in the statement. The

:52:13.:52:17.

planned fuel duty rise is now scrapped, petrol prices will not be

:52:18.:52:23.

rising because of that. Still is strong against the dollar, so I

:52:24.:52:27.

suspect oil prices will not be a major inflationary pressure. While

:52:28.:52:31.

yet. Rail fares will rise only in line with inflation. -- for a while

:52:32.:52:38.

yet. That is the Chancellor trying to keep an eye on living standards,

:52:39.:52:42.

but the state pension age, the time when you can retire, will rise to 68

:52:43.:52:50.

in the midst 2030s and 69 in the late 2040s. Now, the married couples

:52:51.:52:55.

tax allowance, we were expecting that, that will be introduced in

:52:56.:52:59.

April 2015, just one month before the next election. There will be,

:53:00.:53:06.

for two years, a ?1000 business rates discount for small retailers,

:53:07.:53:10.

an attempt to try to blow some life back into the high streets up and

:53:11.:53:16.

down the country. And the employer national insurance contributions

:53:17.:53:22.

will be scrapped for under 21s, and attempt to do something about the

:53:23.:53:26.

970,000 young people who are unemployed. That is a big problem

:53:27.:53:33.

for them. We can talk now to the Northern Ireland economics and

:53:34.:53:36.

business editor, John Campbell, who is in Belfast, welcome to the

:53:37.:53:40.

programme. The Chancellor has said the recovery has started, because of

:53:41.:53:43.

those improved growth figures, Labour says there is a cost of

:53:44.:53:47.

living crisis, how are people feeling in Northern Ireland? The

:53:48.:53:51.

recession in Northern Ireland has been much deeper and longer lasting

:53:52.:53:55.

than in the rest of the UK, really because we have this enormous

:53:56.:53:58.

housing bubble and it burst, and that really blew a hole in the

:53:59.:54:02.

finances of companies, households and the whole economy here in

:54:03.:54:05.

Northern Ireland, really. The economy here is recovering, it is

:54:06.:54:09.

happening much slower than in the rest of the UK. Any growth in the

:54:10.:54:13.

rest of the UK is good news, because it is the biggest market for

:54:14.:54:17.

companies in Northern Ireland. What about the cost of living crisis that

:54:18.:54:21.

Labour claims Sony families are feeling at the moment? Was there

:54:22.:54:26.

anything in the Autumn Statement to try to meet those challenges,

:54:27.:54:30.

anything to cheer about in Northern Ireland? I suppose the complicating

:54:31.:54:34.

factor is that when the Chancellor announces any of the policies to do

:54:35.:54:38.

with spending, the micro-measures, they do not automatically applied to

:54:39.:54:42.

the devolved regions. The devolved regions will get some money, but it

:54:43.:54:46.

is up to the devolved administrations on how to spend

:54:47.:54:50.

that. Northern Ireland will get an extra 136 million over the next two

:54:51.:54:56.

years, and the Northern Ireland Of us has helpfully suggested to the

:54:57.:54:58.

local administration that they might want to spend that on fuel bills,

:54:59.:55:02.

but it will be down to the local finance minister and his colleagues.

:55:03.:55:07.

Thank you very much. Now, let's go back to Susannah

:55:08.:55:11.

Streeter at the Trafford Centre in Greater Manchester. Susanna!

:55:12.:55:16.

Yes, well, the Chancellor has said there are record numbers of people

:55:17.:55:20.

in work, and of course that is what retailers here at the Trafford

:55:21.:55:24.

Centre really want to hear. They want more people to earn more money

:55:25.:55:28.

so they can have more money in their pocket and spend more at the shops,

:55:29.:55:33.

but even so, there is still a real squeeze on household incomes. The

:55:34.:55:38.

standard of living, the cost of living has gone up, in particular

:55:39.:55:42.

those very high fuel bills that we have heard so much about lately.

:55:43.:55:46.

Richard Lloyd has been listening to the Autumn Statement with me, from

:55:47.:55:50.

Which?, you have been campaigning against high fuel bills, and we have

:55:51.:55:54.

had confirmation that there will be this ?50 reduction. Would you have

:55:55.:55:59.

liked to have seen more? We would have liked to CD Chancellor doing

:56:00.:56:03.

much more to get the cost of policy off bills, but also committing to a

:56:04.:56:14.

bigger shake-up of the energy market. It is the wholesale costs

:56:15.:56:17.

that are pining on the agony for millions of households. There was

:56:18.:56:19.

nothing much to give comfort to people struggling with bills. It is

:56:20.:56:22.

welcome help on some of the cost of Government policy, but not enough.

:56:23.:56:26.

But an announcement on rail fares. The main message was it will be

:56:27.:56:29.

growth in the economy, that will help with living standards, and some

:56:30.:56:34.

giveaways, help on rail fares and help on the fuel duty. But in the

:56:35.:56:38.

end, if what he is relying on is growth in the economy, in a place

:56:39.:56:41.

like this, people out and about shopping, are people in the economy

:56:42.:56:45.

spending on sustainable levels of borrowing? Are they getting into

:56:46.:56:49.

debt to spend? The answer is yes, too many people are into tight a

:56:50.:56:54.

squeeze, so the job is not done, as the Chancellor said, to raise living

:56:55.:56:59.

standards. Richard Lloyd, many thanks. Still real concerns about

:57:00.:57:04.

consumers' ability to afford the extra spending that the economy

:57:05.:57:07.

requires. What about local businesses? Peter Smith is the

:57:08.:57:12.

Labour leader on Wigan Council, you think measures introduced for small

:57:13.:57:17.

businesses, such as the business rates discount and cap, will be

:57:18.:57:20.

enough to support businesses in your area? It is not enough, the

:57:21.:57:25.

Government had an opportunity to revalue business rate and turned it

:57:26.:57:29.

down, so the retail sector has been badly hit, and you see that in town

:57:30.:57:33.

centres in the north-west. This is typically a budget for London and

:57:34.:57:36.

the south-east, not really doing enough for us. We look forward to

:57:37.:57:44.

HS2 coming from London, but we have not got that. So the economy is

:57:45.:57:47.

doing better, but mainly again in London and the south-east, job

:57:48.:57:52.

vacancies here are very low compared with the number of people looking

:57:53.:57:57.

for work. A continued commitment to austerities as well, the Government

:57:58.:58:01.

living within its means. Local government has taken 40% of its

:58:02.:58:05.

budget, I do not know if he expects us to take more. Many local

:58:06.:58:08.

authorities will be looking to go to the wall. At the end of the day, it

:58:09.:58:12.

is services that are cut back. We will not be able to do as much for

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local communities, and it is in places like the North that people

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needed more than in London. Thank you very much for talking to me.

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Throughout the programme we have been asking for your opinion and

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comment about what the Chancellor has said, and Paul Lewis from the

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BBC's Money Box has been taking your questions, a lot of talk about

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pensions. A lot of talk about pensions and other issues, Cat and

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Olivia both to eat, if we have to work until we asked 70, do we need

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to put more into private pension so we can retire earlier? And Peter,

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his wife is caught by what he calls a triple whammy, she will have to

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retire before the new pension starts in 26, are they changing that? No,

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some good news for women in that position, they will be able to buy

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an extra pension, the new provision, full details next week, but I

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understand they will be able to boost their pension by up to ?25 per

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week by paying more contributions now. Briefly, concerns about savings

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as well. Grumpy Old Man, nothing for savers, and that is true. The

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tax-free ISA limits are going up, but only with inflation. One ray of

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hope, though, if the Chancellor is right and unemployment falls to 7%

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by 2015-16, that is the trigger for the Bank of England to look at

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raising rates, and that will help savers. Thank you very much, that

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would help savers, but it would be another squeeze on household

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incomes, and that is really concerning people here, just how

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people are able to afford the rising cost of living, back to you. The

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Chancellor said that the British economy is now the fastest-growing

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economy among the G7. That was probably true when the Chancellor

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said it, it is no longer true as 15 minutes ago. The United States has

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redone its growth estimates for the third quarter and the American

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economy grew in the third quarter at an annual rate of 3.6%. The first

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test -- estimate was 2.8, it has actually gone to 3.6%. That is fast

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growth by any standards and faster than the growth rate of the British

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economy. There we go, you say something and events prove you

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wrong. George Osborne will be pleased that came after he sat down

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from his Autumn Statement! Lets get some open to call reaction. We are

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joined by the UK Independence Party's Stephen Wolf. We had growth

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in the economy, we seem to have avoided the double and triple dip

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recession. And until Andrew mentioned those figures from the US,

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the economies were going faster than any developed economy in the world.

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It is to be welcomed, the Chancellor was right with his austerity

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measures. We have to be careful about what he means by the austerity

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measures. He is spending 198 billion more than he said he would do and he

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is four years behind in his deficit reduction plans. I believe this is a

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Chancellor who has got the wrong parities. -- priorities. He is

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spending ?48 billion on HS2. We have seen an energy crisis and it could

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mean 24,000 people possibly dying because they can't afford their

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bills. They are the priorities of UKIP but not the Chancellor's. Where

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would you make cuts to balance the books? We would make drastic cuts to

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the foreign aid budget. We shouldn't be spending zero 7p on foreign aid.

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-- ?0.7 billion on foreign aid. We should either use the money to

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reduce the deficit from HS2 or spend money on creating jobs. Would UKIP

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state pensions be included in the cap or not? We think the Chancellor

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has attacked pensions consistently over the last few years, he is

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making people work for longer and work harder. He is not really

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improving pensions for those in the private sector. He should be looking

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at ways of listening the market so that more people can invest in

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private pensions -- loosening the market. We have 4.7 trillion of

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unintended but in pensions in this country. -- underfunded debt in

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pensions. -- unfunded debt. I think it is dangerous for the children of

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the future if the debt more than doubles. Would you include state

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pensions in a cap on welfare spending? We're not looking at those

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people who are teachers and nurses, earning low pensions. You have got

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to look at the civil servants who are earning 200000 and more, ie more

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than the Prime Minister and Obama, who gets massive pensions. Attack

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them, then deal with private sector pensions to enable us to get more

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into that sector. We are joined by the Shadow Chief

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Secretary to the Treasury, Steven Leslie. What would Labour's position

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B and would Labour support a cap on welfare spending Aspar posed by the

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government? We have got to go through the specific details. When

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you are in opposition you get about an hour to look through these

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things. Of course we have got to have controls on the welfare budget.

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This was certainly something we were going to look at. Ed Balls told me

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on the Sunday politics that unlike the Chancellor, Labour would include

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state pensions in the welfare cap. Is that still Labour policy? We know

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there are structural welfare issues that have to be controlled and it is

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important we take action on those. One of the things we have said we

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will do is to match the government's spending totals for

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2015-16. If we vary from that, we will say exactly how we will fund

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that. That's very interesting but let me ask the question again

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because it is quite simple. If you are in principle favour of a welfare

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cap, would it include pensions or not? The Chancellor is saying it

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would not. We think it is important that we look at the definitions of

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what is and what is not structural welfare. Would it include pensions

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or not? He said he wouldn't include pensions, I am asking you if you

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would. I will look at what he is proposing.

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We have had about 15 minutes. We will make our assessment. -- 50

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minutes. How can Ed Balls tell me that it would include the pension in

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his cap, and now you can't me whether it would or wouldn't? The

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Chancellor's commitment to the triple lock was not as much of a

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commitment as he said it would be. He has said it is only going to

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commit until the general election. We want to see what his proposals

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are beyond that. A lot of people listening to this programme and the

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Chancellor's announcements will be concerned about what the effect will

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be for them and their incomes. We can see the top line issues, the one

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issue that has come clearly through the Chancellor's statements, is that

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earnings are falling and prices are rising and we have a cost of living

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crisis that the Chancellor still has not addressed in the statement. Let

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me move on since you are not going to answer my question. You are

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committed to matching government current spending in 2015-16. If we

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vary from it, we will say how we fund the difference. Do you intend

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to have more capital spending? At present we think there is an

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important need to bring forward infrastructure spending. We will

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make a judgement in our manifesto when we know the state of the

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economy by 2015. We don't think it would be responsible to make the

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judgement on capital infrastructure spending. It might be that we want

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to spend more on capital. It is why we have made the distinct between

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capital and current spending. Right now we have seen infrastructure down

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15% since the general election and it is one of the reasons why we have

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had so little growth over the last three years and why the deficit is

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so much higher than he said. He said the deficit would be abolished by

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2015 and we are still going to have ?79 billion by the time of the

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election. I know what he said, I am trying to find out what you think.

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On the government's plans to lock in deficit reduction in 2016 - 17 and

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17-18, will you vote for that, too? They have only done a spending

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review for 2015-16. They have not set out fiscal plans up to 2018. If

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they do that we will be able to make an assessment. How can we know? It

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is a simple principle. Regardless of what the government does, will you

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vote... To continue reducing the deficit in 16-17, 17-18 Norway you

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borrow more? -- or will you borrow more? Of course we want to reduce

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the deficit and we believe it is possible to get to a surplus. If you

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don't have the growth, you're not going to be able to reduce the

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borrowing. More over this is a Chancellor who promised we would get

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rid of the deficit. Because he has not done that, that is why the

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balance will not happen until 2019. Do you want a surplus? Of course. If

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the choice under the next Labour government, as you continue to bring

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the deficit down and you have the opportunity to move into surplus,

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you would choose that rather than spending more or taxing less? We

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have got to make sure that we earn our way as a country to higher

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living standards. What is the answer to my mum question? -- my question?

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The Chancellor would like to make out that he knows how to cut his way

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to abolishing the deficit. If the Chancellor was here, I would ask

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him. You cannot do these things in isolation. If a future Labour

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government has a choice between running a surplus spending more on

:09:25.:09:28.

schools, welfare, cutting taxes, you would to run a surplus? We believe

:09:29.:09:34.

we would be more effective at eradicating the deficit than George

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Osborne has proven to be. It is relative to his performance against

:09:40.:09:43.

our belief that a stronger, more sustainable level of growth would

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help to improve the public finances. We are now talking about a period of

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time coming years from now, where George Osborne hasn't even done a

:09:54.:09:58.

spending review for beyond 2016. He is asking us, what we would do on

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his spending plans and 17-18. You are not going to answer it. I have

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been answering it. On your ?1600 that we are worse off on average,

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does that include any tax changes? No. It doesn't. The figures we have

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seen show that the typical working person has lost ?1600 per year. The

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pound in their pocket... Does it include the raising of the tax

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threshold? When you then look at the tax benefit and changes, the

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Institute for Fiscal Studies say that it is beyond even that ?1600.

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But does your calculation includes the raising of the tax threshold? As

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far as I and Stan, the 1600 figure relates to earnings against prices.

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-- as far as I understand. Let me give you another revelation on page

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85. What they have done is they have revised up prices, expectations on

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price rises are going higher next year and the beyond. And earnings

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are anticipated to be falling back even further than they were saying.

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All right. This is a really important point. Big up in terms of

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living standards and the cost of living is getting worse as a result

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of George Osborne... I hope you will come back onto the Sunday politics

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when I go onto that in more detail. There is a question about whether

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any government can alter the gap. Even under an energy freeze,

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households would be worse off than five years ago. The reason is that

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we have had a great big recession, that is what happens will stop you

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either lose your job or you get paid less for doing the same job. Nothing

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you are arguing for seems to change that fundamental economics. The

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Chancellor would like to say nothing can be done about this. He was

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forced to mention living standards on 12 occasions, when previous

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budgets he has not mentioned it at all. We are glad that at least we

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have dragged him on to this agenda. The idea that nothing can be done is

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his view. Our view is that you can take action on the cost of childcare

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for example. You should be looking at how much the bank levy raises and

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using some of that money to increase the number of free childcare hours.

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I think there is action you could take on the living wage, helping the

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lowest paid in particular. We have set out in Centre 's and ways of

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helping companies do that. Specific actions that can be taken -- set out

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in scented. -- incentives. There is an argument but it would not change

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the core economic. You can't affect the wages that people's are paid.

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You would not change the fundamental economics. This is where I would

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disagree, you have to have some hope and believe that government policy

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can actually do things that are for the many and not just the wealthiest

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few in society, which is the Chancellor's priority. For the many,

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not the few, I have not heard that before! I will be back on BBC One at

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11:40pm with List! Week, when we will have James Blunt, I wonder what

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he will sing -- I am back with This next Mac week.

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