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This is Business Live from the BBC with Sally Bundock and Ben Thompson.

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Today's the day America's Central Bank prepares to raise

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But what does this mean businesses, consumers and the global economy?

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Live from London, that's our top story today,

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You have to go back to 2006 for the last time

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Some stockbrokers had to provide training to younger members of

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staff. Also in the programme,

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from Handbags to Haute couture, Prada has enjoyed huge success

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in recent years as the appetite A strong day in Asia followed

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through to Europe. We will keep you across every twist and turn as we

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ready for that decision in Washington.

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What does a slump in commodity prices mean for the firms that

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extract and sell oil, gas and metals. I sat down with the Chairman

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of one company to get the inside track of a company that began

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trading scrap metal, but took him to the top of a multibillion giant.

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Today, we want to know what's the best invention of the last decade or

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the most significant change? Use the hashtag BBC Biz Live.

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So this is it, nearly every financial expert out there is saying

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We are talking about a rise in interest rates

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Since December of 2008 the cost of borrowing there has been held

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But Federal Reserve chief Janet Yellen has strongly hinted

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that now is the time to make the change.

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As you can see, you have to go all the way back to June 2006

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to find the last time the Fed raised its key interest rate.

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Well, the cost of borrowing was originally lowered

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during the financial crisis to support banks

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By making borrowing cheaper it helps to encourage

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However, as an economy picks up so can inflation,

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and with the recovery in the US now looking firmer interest rates

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are likely to go up by a little today with further gradual increases

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Our business editor Kamal Ahmed is with me.

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Kamal, I don't know what's been hyped more, the new Star Wars film

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or the interest rates decision that we expect today. Talk us through the

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significance of this? This really is historic moment. Not since the

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financial crisis has any major Central Bank raised interest rates

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and certainly not in America. It is important because it really is a

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signal of economic strength and confidence in America that if Janet

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Yellen does raise interest rates this evening that the American

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economy is performing well and therefore, is able to have a more

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normal monetary policy. We have been in the monetary policy experiment

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basically since the financial crisis and also it will have huge effects

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on the global economy. So what will it mean for emerging markets? Their

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debts denominated in dollars will become more expensive. What will it

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mean for economies of Brazil and Turkey? What does it mean for

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currencies? It will lead to a strengthening of the dollar, but

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possibly a weakening of other global currencies, the yen, the euro in

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particular and what does it mean for the big flows of capital around the

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world? Big global investors are looking for return on the capital

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they invest and America suddenly becomes more attractive. It is a

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higher interest rate economy. Money could start flowing into America and

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away from Japan and like Europe and like emerging markets. The economic

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picture is very different since the Fed last met and I think it is fair

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to say they have talked themselves into a corner whereby all the

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expectation is that today is the day that they will do it even though the

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economic picture is very different. I suppose it strikes me that they

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will be about managing the fall-out and managing the expectation

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expectation as a result of this? Today's increase will only be a

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small increase if it is the increase that we all expect and Janet Yellen

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will be keen to say this is what is described as a dovish hike. When the

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federal verve starts tightening monetary policy, it is done so

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aggressively. Interest rate rises follow interest rate rise at every

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single meeting. This time, I think, that is less likely. I think she

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will be signalling, if she does agree to a rate rise, that the rate

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rises will be slow and will not hit the prefinancial crisis levels of

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interest rates what we were used to. The new normal is a far lower

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interest rate environment in general. If she does raise rates,

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she will be in reassurance mode about how quickly those rates will

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rise in the future. And what do you think about the

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timing Kamal? Many say this should have happened months ago. They

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should have got on with it and we could get used to, markets and

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economies some, but some are saying that today shouldn't be the day, it

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should be next year? We are here in September thinking the Federal

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Reserve would raise rates and they didn't and that was because there

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were concerns about China and the China slow down. The market feeling

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is she should get on with it now the signals have been so strong, that if

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she doesn't again, central banks have to communicate clearly what it

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is they want to do to maintain market stability and if she doesn't

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again and leaves it until the New Year, that's seen as more damaging

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than a small rate rise now. We are only talking about 0.25%. It is

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significant more almost for the political and economic message it

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sends rather than the actual effect of a small rate rise.

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Kamal, thank you. The Australian and British

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arms of the pizza giant, Dominos, are joining forces to buy

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a rival chain in Germany. The $49 million deal to acquire

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Joeys Pizza will create Germany's The deal will give Domino's more

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clout in the German market where it's struggled

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as a small operator. Forrest fires and haze pollution

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in Indonesia have cost the country That's more than twice the amount

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spent on reconstruction efforts after the 2004 Aceh tsunami,

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according to the World Bank's The bank says the cost of the fires

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this year amounted to 1.9% of Indonesia's gross

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domestic product. Rolls-Royce will revamp

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its management structure and recruit a chief operating officer in a bid

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to revive the ailing company. Tony Wood, the head of aerospace,

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will depart, and Lawrie Haynes, who runs the land and sea division,

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will step down next year. The changes, reported

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by the Financial Times, are expected to be

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announced on Wednesday. Removing the top layer

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of management is a bid Let's check-in with the Business

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Live page. It is dominated by the Fed potential rate decision that we

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may get later today. They are pointing out on the live page, a Fed

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rise nothing to get too excited about. We are talking a rate rise of

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25 basis points. 0.25%. The suggestion here that's not

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interesting until rates start rising to 1% or 1.5% and in context

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remember the Bank of England interest rate is only 0.5% and no

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one has been calling for rates to be cut. I want to take you to a story,

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the Bank of England has been assessing what would happen if

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interest rates in the UK were to rise and what it would mean for

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households and borrowers. Well, they have said if they were borrowing

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money, 55% would cut the amount of money they spent as a result of a

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rate hike. Savers said half of them would do nothing because interest

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rates for savers have been so low for so long, not very excited by a

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potential offering of 2%. Quite a few viewers have been

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getting in touch, talking about the fact that interest rates going up is

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great for savers who have been, you know, languishing with low rates for

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many, many years. Let's mention the story we touched

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on earlier. Prada, disastrous numbers coming from the company.

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What's going wrong for Prada? The slowing growth in China, that's

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having an impact and not just on Prada, but other luxury brands as

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well. For Prada profits and the most recent quarter falling by almost 40%

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and not just a slowdown in growth, but a crackdown on spending and

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lavish spending by officials, all a That is taking its toll and it is

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sending its shares down to a record low level, down 6.5% today or down

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nearly 40% from its IPO price. Also a strong Hong Kong dollar is having

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an impact as well because Hong Kong has traditionally been the

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destination for mainland shoppers to go and spend their money, but a

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strong Hong Kong dollar made Hong Kong a very expensive destination.

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Thank you. Not a good day for Prada on the

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financial markets, but the markets across Asia had a bumper session. It

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follows a similar situation on Wall Street the night before. Japan

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closing up 2.5% today. Hong Kong up 2% and this is being felt to a

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degree in Europe. Not such strong gains for share markets in Europe

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today. Most of the markets in Europe closed up over 3% yesterday. So most

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of that gains was done on Tuesday. Today, though, the FTSE got its head

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above water. All markets trading very ten tatively ahead of that

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decision in the US just to say oil is still at multiyear lows and the

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dollar weakening a bit today too. Ben back to you.

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Joining us is Richard Dunbar from Aberdeen Asset Management.

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Richard welcome. Let's talk Fed, but in a bit of context because all eyes

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are clearly on America's Central Bank about what it will do today.

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The numbers will be in a holding pattern until we get some news, but

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it is interesting if you contrast it with what the European Central Bank

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did last week and it is a very different response to what are

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different economic climates. The European Central Bank were expected

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to cut interest rates and they didn't do that. Contrast that with

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the United States where Janet Yellen is likely to outline a view of a

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strong US economy and a more Sangin view of what is going on in the rest

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of the world which might be supported from what we saw from the

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ECB and what we saw in Asia and in other parts of the world. What do

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you think is going to happen tomorrow when we get the rate rise?

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It is priced in. We have known about this and prepared for it for a long

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time, but we're coming into the Christmas silly season as well, it

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is slow and markets in the western world are slowing down and heading

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to a long holiday break? If Janet Yellen raises rates tonight, that's

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what everyone in the market expects. So the surprise would be if she does

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anything different or if there is anything in the statement that

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surprises markets either about the size of the rise or indeed, the

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trajectory of rate increases. That would be the major surprise the we

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are looking what her view is what's going on in the rest of the world

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and that may inform investors as to how the path over the next few weeks

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and months may go. One we will watch closely, Richard, thank you very

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much. At any other time, you might think the economic data would

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suggest a rate rise. But they have almost backed themselves into a

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corner where they have to do it now. in commodity prices is taking its

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toll on the world's mining giants. The boss of Vedanta told me how he's

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weathering the storm, and why his first job,

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selling scrap metal, If you're hoping to get your cards

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and presents delivered before Christmas, you're fast

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running out of time. Royal Mail staff are trying to make

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sure millions of letters and parcels get to their destination

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before the big day. Steph is at a sorting office

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in Sutton Coldfield. Steph, we're sending fewer

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and fewer cards every year, but it's online shopping

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and all the parcels that Good morning everyone. Yes, it is.

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We are not seeing as many letters, but it is a very big day for Royal

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Mail. The busiest for them. In this sorting office they are expecting to

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be delivering 160,000 letters and that's 60 more than your typical

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Wednesday, but as you said Ben, it is about parcels because there has

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been a decline in the number of letters that are being sent, but an

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increase in the parcels and this area around me was really busy

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earlier on with the posties getting ready to get the parcels out and ten

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million parcels will be delivered today alone. We can grab a word with

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the posties. Lynn, tell me about how it is going this time of year for

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you. It's so busy, so stressful but we try and work as a team and help

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each other out for you. You have been in this business for over 40

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years, have you seen a change? Letters have gone down a lot, there

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are small packets now, but definitely, postcards, Christmas

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cards have really gone downhill. It's about the big parcels you have

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to deliver, I'm going to let you get on with it and I'm holding you back,

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I have been a pain, getting in everyone's way! This operation is

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all about hand sorting and automation and there are machines

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over the other side, they will also be sorting things because automation

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is a key part of this, something that Royal Mail are trying to do to

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increase the efficiency and bring down the costs of the business. If

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you have any post to send, get it in soon! Always good to be reminded! I

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have a tonne of cards in my bag, I'm feeling good about that. And if it

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doesn't arrive on time, you know you can blame Steph! I just want to show

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you this on the website, an interview with Mark Carney, whether

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landlords will sell if prices fall. You're watching Business

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Live - our top story: Of course, the big day, the Fed

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reserve in the US is expected to raise interest rates, we are right

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across it for you throughout the day, online, on radio and the telly!

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This could be big news around the world for commodities, stock markets

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and for the value of the dollar and sterling and other currencies.

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It's been a volatile week, to say the least,

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Oil dipped below $37 a barrel and other energy

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And we've already seen the impact that's having on firms like Shell

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and Exxon - they, along with rivals, have cut spending, investment

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But what about miners and metals firms?

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As well as oil, Iron and aluminium have taken a battering

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on the markets in recent months due to oversupply and slowing

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One company that has seen its share prices tumble as a consequence

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is the London listed, but Indian owned, Vedanta Resource.

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The firm was founded in 1976 by current chairman Anil Agarwal,

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who still owns over 60% of the company.

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after leaving school at just 15 to trade scrap metal,

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he has risen to become India's 24th richest person with a fortune

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Well a little earlier I caught up with Mr Agrawal,

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and asked him about how he manages a business that has to cope

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with highly volatile raw material prices.

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The whole world is in slump but India is growing, double digit, so

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it is an exciting time. Of course, the prices have come down, so we

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have to tighten our belts but going forward, being in a geographical

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location that India helps us. You've talked about being more efficient in

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the day-to-day operation, has that manifest itself on the ground, what

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are you telling your teams on the ground? You have a budget to spend

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on your holiday copies of the work at everything in that so today you

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have a commodity price which is this and within that, you have to work

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out everything, this is the money we have, this is the cost we can

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afford, our cost has been reduced, our teams are working better. The

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other part, we have been spending a couple of billion dollars every year

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to build the plant and expand it. The share prices down from ?30 a

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share in 2010 two maybe ?6 today. What do you shareholders tell you,

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what is your responsibility towards you see such a significant fall? It

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has gone to almost ten times, people have made a lot of money, we have

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given them, what I have raised, more than three times back to them, so I

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did what I'm supposed to do. Does it worry you when you see a share price

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fall like that. Other business leaders have said it doesn't reflect

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the reality on the ground but equally you say it is the perception

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of the shareholders, that they want to invest or they don't, are you

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worried by such a significant fall? I don't worry because among my

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peers, I do better so that confidence is there, and the

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geographical location. Today, I am focused on my company and innovation

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and technology, I am working on exploration with the best technology

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in the world. What concessions do you have with local people if you

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want to open a plant in an area and they have environmental concerns?

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What do you tell them? To be transparent. There are so much of

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pro at this point in time, in India, we have almost 3000, they just want

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to start a factory. We have a high standard of environment, we have to

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make sure we follow that. The two things mutually exclusive,

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Environmental Protection Agency economic growth? Can you have the

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same things? Absolutely, today's technology is amazing. 50 years

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back, things were different, it just requires discipline. And without

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industry, you can't progress. So once you balance that, there are

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norms. 102 to 105. Within those norms, you have to make sure you

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stand by. You have made a lot of decisions in your long career, was

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there any point you wanted to give up? As a human being, these things

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come, but I have my father, who is a very strong... You can go to him,

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put your head on his shoulder, he says, you can do it. Try one

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wartime. -- try one more time. Get your work done, Pat your people on

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the back. And this kind of word helps and you start again. Speaking

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to me about the indications of falling commodity prices.

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One of the consequences as well is investment coming out of those

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Middle Eastern, oil-rich nations, not so oil-rich anymore, in terms of

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property in places like London, that's going down. There are lots of

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wealthy individuals and sovereign wealth funds, read oil and

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resources, with prices having more than halved over the last couple of

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years, that source of investment, is much less than it was, we are seeing

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that in fairly significant amount of the moment. Perhaps it will come

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from other sources, beneficiaries of lower oil prices and other metals

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prices may be the ones that step up to the plate. We tend to think it is

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just high end property but we should remember that has huge repercussions

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all the way down the chain, if the top end of the market is suffering,

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that has invitations for everybody in the middle, falling oil price has

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huge imprecations in areas you wouldn't expect. We are seeing that

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in London, the top end of the market is weakening and that is having

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ripple effects further down. There are worries at the bottom end of the

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market. Mark Carney is talking about the buy to let market, there are

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worries in that end. Starbucks is in a lot of the press today, it

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released its results is today and in that news, there was the information

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about the tax paid. UK corporation tax of ?8.1 million. That's nearly

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matches total contributions paid over the past 14 years, a long time

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coming. We continue to focus on the tax that multinational companies are

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either paid or in many cases not paying, I suspect that focus will

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continue but in this case, Starbucks sales are down on the year, profits

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are up, around 30 million. I suspect they are up to two accounting

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changes, they made 30 million profit rather than 8 million survey are

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paying a higher rate of tax than the standard corporation tax, but I

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expect the executives will be more concerned about the falling top one

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and the prospects for the profit line and we should be concerned

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about the profits for the tax line as recipients of that tax. I just

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wondered if the negative press surrounding them with regards to

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this issue has affected sales, because some believe it has, people

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have chosen to get their copy somewhere else. It's hard to say but

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anecdotally there are many consumers who if they have a choice and there

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is plenty of choice as to where one takes 1's cup of coffee, some will

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choose other venues. It is hard to determine at what the tax they are

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played on what profit, the company are appearing the pay a fair tax but

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we have no clue whether the profits on which the paid is fairly stated.

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Accounting is art as well as science so the bigger is open to debate.

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Great to have you on the show. We will see you soon.

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The warm coats, scarf and gloves can stay in the cupboard today, a very

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mild day

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