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This is Business Live from the BBC with Sally Bundock and Ben Thompson.

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As 2015 draws to a close, we'll look back on the business year

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Welcome to a special edition of Business Live: The Review

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China's slowdown has dominated headlines this year,

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and the impact has been felt far and wide, but what happens next?

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Also in the programme: We've been on Fed Watch for a rate rise.

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As America's Central Bank raises the cost of borrowing,

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will other Central Banks now do the same?

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It's been a record-breaking year for big money mergers.

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Pfizer is on track to break a new record as it battles

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to close its $108 billion deal with Allergan.

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2015 was the year of the Internet of Things so what will 2016 bring?

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We'll be joined by celebrated investor, Eileen Burbidge

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who is telling us whereis putting her money next year.

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They are the BBC exclusive interviews and breaking stories that

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We'll contemplate the big moments of the business year

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and what the key players said to the BBC with our business

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Welcome to this special edition of Business Live.

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As a difficult economic year draws to a close,

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will 2016 bring more cheer for the global economy?

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Well, 12 months ago, the tremors of the financial crisis

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might have been finally beginning to fade.

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But instead, another challenge came into sharp focus.

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And it began with warnings from the IMF and World Bank.

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The Chinese economy was slowing, they said, and with it,

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the boom in emerging markets and commodity prices.

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The effects would be felt around the world.

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The heady days of double digit growth were at an end,

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replaced instead with more modest expansion of around 7%.

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The global economy would slow to around 2.9%, down

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One trigger of the slowdown was a fall in consumer

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That came partly after a government crackdown on corruption which made

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many wealthy Chinese avoid lavish displays of spending.

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As a result, sales of luxury brands fell sharply,

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everything from Prada to Porsche, Fendi to Ferrari.

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After a decade of building tower blocks, airports and bridges

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at record speed, China's construction sector also ground

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That led to a massive fall in demand for global commodities sparking

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Companies everywhere have suffered - steel makers in the UK closed,

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copper mines in Chile shut down and iron ore producers in Australia

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The Baltic Dry Index which monitors trade levels is currently

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So as 2015, the year of the Chinese slowdown,

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draws to a close, we turn our attention to the year ahead.

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Has the world adjusted to a new normal - the era

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Charles Goodhart is a professor at London School of Economics

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Lovely to have you on the programme. Give us your thoughts on this year

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for China. Of course, it had its plenam as well, where we were trying

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to read between the line when the president and others in the

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Government were talking about their five year plan. Well, last year and

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next year, are a fascinating period because China is changing its

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business model. It is moving away from being a manufacturing

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industrial super power to being much more of a service economy which

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happens when you get richer and incidentally, consumption of

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luxuries did slow down sharply in China last year, but the consumption

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overall did not, consumption is growing rapidly, but its consumption

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of services and it is consumption by the ordinary people, not consumption

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by the rich, that is keeping China growing and it is growing steadily.

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So from your point of view, is this transition, the great transition

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from an economy led by manufacturing made in China by massive

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infrastructure spend to a consumer-led economy. Is that

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transition going to plan and is it going well? Oh, it is a very

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difficult transition, but I think it is going to plan and it is going

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pretty much as well as you might hope for. One of the reasons why

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there was such a concern about China in the summer was because they

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handled the stock market boom and bust really rather badly and that

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was not just a problem in itself, but it threw doubt about whether the

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leadership actually was capable of making this massive transition away

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from manufacturing towards more services. Whether he could handle it

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safely and well. But that, there has been a recovery, I think, of

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confidence in the Chinese leadership and they don't do everything well.

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The one child policy was maintained for far too long. But I think

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they're back on track. We talk often about how all of these events are

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interconnected around the world we see the impact of China. Is there

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anything to mitt grate that influence on the world economy. We

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have seen what China has done to world commodity prices and

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especially to oil. Is there anything which could mitigate those risks?

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For many countries there is a great benefit, the reduction in commodity

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prices and oil prices is a huge benefit and particularly to Europe

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and the eurozone is going to do better than people expected in 2016

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partly because input prices have been going down so very sharply and

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the developed economies are benefiting and there is a switch.

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From 2008 to about 102014, the emerging economies did very well and

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the developed economies did not now. Now it is a around and the develop

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economies will do well in 2016 and EM will not.

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Thank you very much. In other news: It's been

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a record-breaking year They don't come bigger than Pfizer's

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take-over of Allergan It was the biggest ever health care

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transaction and second biggest In technology, Dell bought EMC

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for a whopping $67 billion. And drinks giants AB InBev snapped

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up SABMiller this year, And there was no shortage

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of stockmarket action. A flurry of flotations kept

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global markets moving. In November, Japan Post

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listed its shares, raising $12 billion and claiming the the title

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of the largest market Japan Post offers mail

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delivery but also loans, And big business often means big

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scandal, and this year Volkswagen admitted to cheating

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emissions tests in the US, after it emerged the car giant had

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used a piece of software Chief executive Martin Winterkorn

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stepped down and VW recalled 11 The scandal could cost the German

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car giant around $30 billion in costs, compensation

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and falling sales. Sales in Europe and the US have also

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fallen by up to a fifth and shares in the company are now trading

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near four year lows. For more on the year in Business,

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there's much more on the website with our correspondents around

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the world weighing up the biggest Jonty Bloom is assessing

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whether Greece really Our Economics correspondent,

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Andrew Walker, is looking at who stands to gain

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from the slide in oil prices. 2015 has also been

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the year of Fed watching. Month in, month out, the BBC -

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the financial press and financial markets worldwide were hanging

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on every word from its new chief Janet Yellen for any clues

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as to when the US central bank For our US correspondent

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Michelle Fleury, this meant many days on the steps of the Federal

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Reserve building in Washington. Janet Yellen used her first day

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of testimony to provide greater clarity on the timing

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of the first interest rate hike. Most investors here on Wall Street

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still think such a move is likely Dropping the word patient

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from the statement released after every meeting does not mean

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a rate hike is imminent, according to Janet Yellen,

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but she and her colleagues are trying to prepare the financial

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markets for the day when finally, monetary policy starts

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to return to normal. The intense spotlight

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on Janet Yellen and the other Federal Open Market Committee

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members shows just how dependent the markets have become

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on the Central Bank. It's an addiction the Fed hopes

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to break when it begins The US Federal Reserve wrapped up

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a two-day meeting in Washington on Thursday with the announcement

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that interest rates would remain unchanged, leaving many people

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asking Janet Yellen what would it After seven years of near zero,

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Janet Yellen, the chairwoman of the Federal Reserve has finally

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announced a rate rise of 0.25%. Now, for a long time,

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the financial markets have been obsessing over the timing

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of the first rate hike. Now they have another

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question to ponder. What will be the size

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and the frequency of Michelle Fleury, BBC News

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in Washington, DC outside Joining us now is Gillian Tett,

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US managing editor for the Financial I imagine you have had quite a year

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as well. Talking about not so much about waiting for God, but waiting

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for the Fed. We have been waiting all year and when it finally

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happened, frankly it was an anticlimax. The markets reacted

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smoothly and everything went to plan and we were wondering what are we

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going to write about in the FT? It was breaking the cycle of record low

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rates that had been at that level for so long. It was actually a big

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watershed in terms of history. Not so much in terms of raising traits

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because the Fed has done that many times in recent decades, but because

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never before in history have had a Central Bank kept rates so low for

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so long on such an extraordinary scale. The Fed's balance sheet has

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quadrupled in the last few years. Extraordinary what's going on. The

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big question is how do you get out of that? It is not just the rate

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rise, but it was all that went before, the so-called quantitative

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easing that we are familiar with now, but from your point of view,

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what impact has this had? Well, the good news is thus far there hasn't

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been a big market reaction. The FedEx cuted this pretty well. They

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are hoping that Janet Yellen will be like the pilot of a plane coming

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into land and going forward, the rate rise will be so gradual and

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gentle that you will come down from this high altitude of super

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extraordinary monetary policy experiments and the passengers, ie,

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the markets won't even notice it will be so gentle, but to my mind

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there are three things to watch right now. Firstly, what's going to

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happen to those big bubbles that have been blown as a result of the

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Central Bank poly in the risky markets? What's going to happen to

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investor portfolios? Most investors are positioned presuming that rates

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will stay low forever? The third issue which is geeky and nerdy, deep

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inside the bowels of the financial system, there have been strange

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things going on recently because the rates have been so low. How is that

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going to unwind? Gillian, when will the next move be? Markets are

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betting on April 2016? Markets think there will be two rises. The Fed

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have predicted four next year. In 2016 venlgt my bet is around March,

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but the big question is, are the market right or is the Fed right?

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That affects how investors price their portfolios. We will all be

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watching. Thank you. Ben. Well, what a year it was

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on the financial markets. The best performing stock market

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in the world was China's Shenzhen. Despite the big falls in August,

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it's still up by 68% at the close At the other end of the scale,

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Tthe prize for worst performing Well, the exchange is dominated

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by commodity companies that have And speaking of that slump

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in commodity prices, oil was the worst performing

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commodity of the year. And that's been enough to drag

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down European markets, particularly the FTSE 100 in London,

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that's heavily weighted with oil Still to come: They were

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the newsmakers of the year and they were speaking to the BBC

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when they made headlines. Our Business Editor,

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Kamal Ahmed will take us through some of his exclusive

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conversations from 2015. You're with Business

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Live on BBC News. In the UK, if we are not

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obsessing about the weather, we are tracking and trying

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to predict the direction Yes, there was one clear message

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from the National Association "If you have the money,

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buy your home now." Victoria Fritz went to the most

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expensive street in If you want to buy average property

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on Victoria Road in west London, It has just been named the most

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expensive street in the UK. You need upwards of ?8 million

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normally to buy one of these homes. Here to explain why,

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Grainne Gilmour from Knight Frank The Chancellor has introduced a raft

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of measures aimed at tackling One of the things he has done

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is really tried to boost That is what we struggle

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with in the UK, not enough housing Another factor he introduced

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in December last year was a change For buyers buying under ?1.1

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million, it is cheaper to buy a property now but it is more

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expensive for homes over that ?1 million mark in London

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and around the UK. What we have seen in London

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particularly, prime locations in London suffered a bit

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of a slowdown in activity which hits the tax receipts from stamp duty

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but we see the market starting Speaking of property taxes,

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we're not done with the changes. Yes, in the Autumn Statement,

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the Chancellor announced he wanted to introduce an additional 3% stamp

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duty for buy-to-let investors We have a consultation coming out

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in January so we will have So a little more detail

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to come but at the moment, what is your best bet

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for what will happen to prices over We are seeing the same level

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of growth across this year as we have seen last

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year, 4% or just under. We allow for out performance in key

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commuter towns and regional cities House prices will be

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underpinned by economic growth. We have seen wages rise in the last

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couple of years and also consumer confidence has bounced back over

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the last year or so. Also, house prices are being

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underpinned in many areas by the lack of supply,

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and under-supply is something that affects most of

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the UK housing market. We will leave it there

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but interesting that Grainne notices what is going on with

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economic growth. When the IMF was here

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at the beginning of the month, they said UK house prices pose

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a real risk to the economic You're watching a special

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edition of Business Live, as we take a look at

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the business year that was. And with the help of some experts,

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we're assessing what lies And let's turn our attention

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to the world of technology. This was the year of the so-called

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Internet of Things. From tech giants like Facebook

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to tech minnows like Jawbone, it's been a hot topic of debate

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and investment this year. According to Forbes,

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the top 100 Internet of Things start-ups received venture capital

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funding of nearly $6.5 billion So as that tech area matures,

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what will 2016 bring? For our next guest, Eileen Burbidge,

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cyber security and FinTech are both She's a partner at venture capital

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fund Passion Capital and serves on the advisory board

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for Tech City UK. She's previously worked

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for Apple, Skype and Yahoo. Before we look at the year ahead,

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talk us through 2015 for you. Like you said, I think it was a lot of

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discussion around the Internet of Things. The funny thing about those

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of us who are looking at the sector is that it is quite nebulous and

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very vague. The way we translated that was wearable devices like

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Jawbone and fitness trackers, or how people were going to try to consume

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more data or produce more data in their daily lives. Really, what has

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started to happen was you started to see more of that coming through

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bigger devices, vehicles, cars, homes, and then you started to see

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things like the on demand or sharing economy, so things like Uber,

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Airbnb, home food delivery and cleaners and how people dealt with

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large Internet of Things because of what it enabled. That was the

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biggest trends in the UK and globally. At the start of the year,

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we were all a bit sceptical about your home heating system or getting

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your fridge wired up to the Internet but now it is increasingly common

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and people think the benefits of it. I suppose alongside the security and

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the personal information risks, the benefits of interconnectivity are so

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important. The theme of all of this, whether it is cars, homes, holiday

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rentals or devices, is the convenience and the ability to be

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able to have the power or the control over what you want for your

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own environment. If we look at what will happen in the next year, what

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are people going to be doing intelligently and creatively with

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the data being collected? How are you protecting people's privity and

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their data? What are you doing to personalise services? How that

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translates to other sectors and not just personal convenience. That is

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becoming increasingly important because technology is everywhere, so

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pervasive, whether it is in your home life, career or future plans.

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It seems to be involved in every aspect of our lives and yet we are

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all as individuals quite concerned about where the data is going and

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what is being done with it. That in turn has led to a lot of problems. I

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completely agree but I would also see massive opportunities. A lot of

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it relates to how people and consumers, users are being affected

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by technology. Now we are going to see technology becoming not quite so

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pervasive and disruptive of other business sectors. -- it will be. You

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will see it creep into business sectors and in security concern not

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just for personal data about enterprise data and some of the

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other stories you have been talking about of this past year. Cyber

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security as a sector I think will continue to flourish and be an area

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of sensitivity, and disruption to the financial services sector, not

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just in payment unremitting this but in making services, how it relates

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to property insurance and rigging else. It is a long list! Thank you

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for joining us. This year was also

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one of digital video. Our online offering exploded,

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with videos streaming across Facebook and the website

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and being viewed by millions Now, we've had a whole host

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of newsmakers on the programme this The big names, the top bosses

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and the exclusive interviews. And when it comes to

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getting the inside track, our business editor,

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Kamal Ahmed is the man for the job. Whether it's covering the falling

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oil price or cracking We'll speak to him in a moment,

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but first, in the year that's been dominated by the falling

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price of oil, here's Kamal's interview

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with the boss of BP back in January and his assessment on where oil

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prices could end the year. This is a significant change

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in the industry that will have wide-ranging effects on geopolitics

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and the energy industry itself. I think we have got to plan on this

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being down, we don't know at exactly what level but certainly, a year,

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probably two or maybe three years. So Bob Dudley, there, speaking at

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the beginning of a year which was dominated by the oil prices. In a

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way, he set the tone for the year. He said there that he felt this low

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prize would remain in place for two or three years. I'm going to try to

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catch up with him again at the World Economic Forum in January and asking

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the same question. I would not be surprised if he said the low oil

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price might extend out further. On the supply side, two big pressures

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on the price downward, the US starting to export oil, probably

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during 2016 and secondly, Iran will be starting to export oil as

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sanctions are lifted. Two important points to contribute to the down

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pressure. Also a big year when it comes to stepping up efforts against

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hacking. A number of firms in the headlines. Absolutely, cyber attacks

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have been one of the issues of the year, political ones, allegations

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against China and Iran, for example on in that area. But also for

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corporate, big attacks around the world. One of the biggest was in the

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UK, TalkTalk, the telecommunications firm. I spoke to Dido Harding, the

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chief executive of the company and asked her whether all of the data

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that had been accessed was encrypted. The awful truth is I

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don't know. Shouldn't you know that as chief executive, you should know

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as chief executive should know, surely if the details are restricted

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so even if they are stolen, they may not be used? I would love to be able

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to give you that complete an unequivocal assurance but it would

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be wrong of me to give that today when the amount of data that the

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criminals have been able to access is a large. Dido Harding, there, the

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Chief Executive of TalkTalk and another interesting conversation you

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had was with Christine Lagarde, the head of the IMF. Let's hear what she

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had to say about the UK and EU's relationship. I personally hope that

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the British economy is within the European Union but that is a

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personal option and a personal choice. We are generally come at the

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IMF, for whatever opens up trade, facilitate exchanges. Christine

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Lagarde, there. It could be an instrumental year as far as the EU

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referendum is concerned. We know it will happen before the end of 2017

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but it could be in 2016. It looks probable that the British

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governorate will go for it in 2016. The IMF itself will play a big role.

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They will bring out a big report in the spring over the economic

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effects, both for Britain and the rest of the European Union on this

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most important matter. It will be a huge theme, not just for Europe but

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the world looking at Europe as well. Thank you for joining us.

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Thanks for your company in this special edition of Business Live.

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So that was how 2015 looked in the business world.

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Hello. It looks like a pretty decent day forgetting out and about. Still

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