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Security shake-up. with Aaron Heslehurst and Sally

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Europe holds emergency talks on making its airports safer -

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amid growing concern from the travel business.

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Live from London, that's our top story on Thursday

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In the wake of the attacks in Brussels and the hijacking

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of an Egyptian airliner - the European Commission's top

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aviation security officials meet to find out how airport security

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One of China's biggest steel producers records a huge drop

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in profit - despite plans to increase production.

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Meanwhile the UK government rules out nationalising the struggling

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And we'll be getting the Inside Track on running one

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of Europe's most popular train routes linking the UK to Europe.

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The boss of Eurostar will join us and talk about the challenges

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of security - disruption and investing in a new fleet.

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And Microsoft's controversial experiment in artificial

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intelligence has made a brief return online -

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before being taken down after tweeting about marijuana.

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We want to know - do we expect too much from artificial intelligence?

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Security officials from all over Europe are due to hold an emergency

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meeting in Amsterdam to assess whether airport safety

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It follows the Brussels terror attacks last week,

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and the hijacking of an Egyptian airliner on Tuesday.

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The European Commission's Aviation Security committee will be looking

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at 500 airports - to find out what practical steps can be taken.

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blasts in the departure airport. This is an area where passengers

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have not been through security checks.

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David Learmount, a consulting editor at Flightglobal,

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Lots of experts looking at this today, what will be come up with?

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They meet very regularly but what they have done is they have called

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an extra one. This is an extraordinary meeting.

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What they are doing is looking at the Brussels event and

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saying, can we react to this usefully, without too much

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disruption? One thing they don't want is to disrupt transport because

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it is economically very harmful. Is it a case here, some people say

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we need zero risk. That is impossible, it is minimising

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the number of people that can If they are talking about security

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checks before you even get into the

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departure hall, many people are saying, aren't you

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just pushing the problem further out into the

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When I spoke to the European Commission about this yesterday, I

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asked them what new ideas that they have? What

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they tried to work out is whether they can usefully refine

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what we already have. What we are talking about

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the Brussels on, that was in a public area, no security checks

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before you go in there. You can move it out

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to the car park by having checks on the entrance. So if you

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that means there are fewer people in the departure hall. But actually

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guaranteeing that nobody will be hurt, that is impossible what about

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some systems already in place that seemed to be effective. In Montreal,

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there is a staggered, entry system, so you are not

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to people come two hours before your flight, you are giving people a

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specific time when they come. Is that unrealistic at somewhere like

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Heathrow? from Heathrow, we're talking about a

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relatively speaking, small-town compared

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so much a security thing as a streaming thing. You can book your

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place in the queue in advance. It would

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things they have said, one solution for one airport.

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They are all different layouts and all different sizes. You cannot have

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a one size fits all. Every airport When we get news coming out of that

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emergency meeting in Amsterdam, we will update you.

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Politicians in Argentina have approved a deal to pay back US

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creditors, ending a 15-year court battle after defaulting

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The years-long debt crisis has restricted the country's access

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to international credit markets and made doing business

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The UK Business Secretary has ruled out nationalising Britain's biggest

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steel works - the Port Talbot plant in Wales -

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but says he's looking at some sort of government support.

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Indian owner Tata Steel is planning to sell its entire UK business,

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which employs about 15,000 people - amid a slump in global demand

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and a surge in cheaper Chinese exports.

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Royal Dutch Shell says its being investigated by italian prosecutors

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over its acquisition of a Nigerian oil field.

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The probe is connected to the 2011 $1.3 billion purchase of Nigeria's

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OPL-245 offshore oil block by Eni and Shell.

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The oil giant said it was cooperating with the authorities.

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Where are travellers going, Spain and the Canary Islands.

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Their choices are changing as a consequence of the events taking

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place in the last year. I love Spain and the Canary Islands.

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ago, but because of security concerns about Egypt,

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is back as a more popular destination. You are going on

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holiday, but you are not going to Spain or the Canary

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China makes more steel than the worst

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combined, so when they come out today and

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output by 20%, to 27 million times, many people are scratching their

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heads asking what is going on. The market has a massive supply which

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has pushed down prices and causing problems for many companies

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like Tata and they UK operations. Baosteel has also had problems.

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China has a very big role to play in the situation. They have been

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accused of dumping the excess steel products at unfairly low prices

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around the world. So a lot of other companies cannot compete. We have to

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take the view that China is suffering as well because millions

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of jobs have been lost from their steel industry. Baosteel might still

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be making money but some of the smaller producers have gone

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bankrupt. The Yellen rally continued

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in the early part of the session. The markets have been really

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embracing what the big boss of US Reminding us all, Janet Yellen

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promised a cautious approach to future US interest rate

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hikes pointing the finger at the broader global financial

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concerns. But in Europe, as expected,

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that rally has eased off. The sliding crude oil prices

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putting a dampener on that. And looking ahead, lots of important

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numbers out tomorrow. An indicator of the health

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of China's manufacturing picture In fact, talking of America,

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let's find out what should be making the business headlines

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over there today. We're not going to Michelle a New

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York, we are going to you, Sally. Let's introduce Richard Dunbar. The

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end of the first quarter and everyone is trying to assess how it

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went. It was quite a turbulent one, especially January? Investors have

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swung from gloom to optimism as we exit the quarter. In February, there

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were worries and the US economy. We were worried about a precipitous

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fall in the oil price, that has been abated because it has risen by 30%.

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We were worried about China, which while it hasn't got any better,

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probably hasn't got any worse. It has resulted in significant moves on

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the markets. The fundamentals haven't changed. We're getting the

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purchasing manager's index, it is look forward from the people who

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ordered the raw materials to make this stuff. It is probably not

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likely to be a very good number. No improvement on China. America

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worsening? I don't think I have ever seen a swing in view on a large

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economy like America, based on so little information. Janet Yellen

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must be scratching their head, looking at similar numbers than

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before and wondering right market investors have swung from room to

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optimism based on little change in front of them. We will see what the

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second quarter holds, UK referendum in the second quarter? Which will be

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of interest. But other factors have more influence. We will watch this

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space and Richard is coming back. We'll be hearing from

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the boss of Eurostar. With flat passenger numbers,

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can the high-speed rail service encourage more people

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to cross the Channel? You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. More on the steel industry crisis in

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the UK. Prime Minister David Cameron

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is hosting crisis talks on the UK steel industry amid mounting

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pressure on ministers to guarantee the future of the Port Talbot

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steelworks and its 5,500 staff. Ben is in Salford looking

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at what options the UK Government has to support the British

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steel industry. Am I right by saying the UK

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Government has pretty much ruled out any type of nationalising?

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Absolutely right. We have been talking about the implications of

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the UK steel industry after the announcement that Tata wants to sell

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off its UK steel industry. The government will try to come up with

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the plan to safeguard some of those jobs if they can. It has been

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shrinking industry since the 70s. Since its peak in 1972, it employed

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200,000 people. Last year, it was 16,000 people. Nonetheless, 16,000

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jobs is still a significant number and they need to be safeguarded.

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What options for the government? They have ruled out nationalisation,

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so there are options like taking an equity stake and a management

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buyout, weather management take on the firm and run it for themselves.

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What could happen? The manufacturers organisation have been talking me

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through some of the potential options. If it does mean the

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government intervenes and gives a package of support up until the

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point a buyer is found and then incentivised the buyer to take it

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on, then the government support, call it what you will, if it is part

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nationalisation, so be it, but the issue is to find a future buyer and

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get this purchase over the line and ensure sustainable steel

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manufacturer. Not only in South Wales but in other plants around the

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UK. The issue is whether the government can do enough in time.

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There are concerns Tata want to sell these plants quickly and if it

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cannot find a buyer, it will simply shut them down. One option is to

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mothball the site. Run them down, keep on a minimal number of staff

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with the view perhaps of somebody wanting to come in and make them

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viable at a later date. A number of options on the table but no

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information they may take. It is a nervous wait for the staff who are

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employed there. Plenty more detail, do take a look online when you have

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time. Our top story: Europe

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holds emergency talks on making its airports safer,

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amid growing concern Crossing the English Channel has

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become easier over the years thanks to Eurostar's high-speed trains,

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which began service between the UK and Continental Europe

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more than 20 years ago. Founded in 1994, the

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company has carried more Eurostar reported profits

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of $49 million in 2015. This figure was down

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from the previous year. The company says

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that the recent terror attacks has weighed on revenues and it had also

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been forced to increase security as a result of the migrant crisis

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currently affecting Europe. At the same time, they have invested

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in a lot of new trains. Nicolas Petrovic is

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Eurostar's chief executive. He's been in the role

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since April 2010. Welcome to the programme. Can I get

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something over because there's lots of things to talk about? Briefly, I

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will let you get the good news out of the way, finally got the new

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trains rolling and I've not seen them but apparently they're very

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good. It's been a long time coming because you have been running some

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pretty old stock. We love the new trains! We loved the original

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trains, too but the new trains are amazing. We have just started them

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and we have more comfort, Wi-Fi, blogs, more space in the seats and

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it's been a big success. -- plugs. We can carry more passengers in peak

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which as been problems in the last few years. At peak time, we were

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four weeks in advance and we could not provide more seat when there was

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demand. It is really good news for the business because that is how we

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are going to grow the business further. Those trains at the moment,

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nine new ones operating between London and Paris but the idea is you

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can get on one of those to the other destinations, that is the ultimate

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idea? Reds yes, we are starting with Paris because it is the biggest

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route. But the trains can go to new destinations at the end of next

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year, we will go all the way to Amsterdam with those trains which is

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a big market for us. It is a big bear market. But also, we know that

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when we offer a new route. -- a big bear market. Lots of people take the

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Eurostar when we have any view because it is more, Bull. They won't

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travel by air. It will be the same with Amsterdam. One of the reasons

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people like those routes to Paris and eventually to Amsterdam embeds

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of lying is because, let's be frank it is a hassle and given what we are

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seeing in Brussels recently, it is likely going to be more of a hassle

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at security but of course, you have security as well. I was wondering,

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since the attacks in Paris and a recent attack in Brussels and the

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bombs, have you revamped your security strategy at Eurostar? I

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mean, no, the security has been at the top level for a long time now.

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We screen people in the stations, a bit like in an airport. I think it

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is one of the few rail services with that type of system. What has

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happened is of course, in all public spaces in all the big cities in

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Europe, there's a bigger police presence. Otherwise, we have not

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really changed what we are doing. When things go and most of the time

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they do, your passengers are very happy. -- when things go well. But

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when things go wrong, like it did on Good Friday, it can be a disaster. I

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just looked online to see what the latest news was about your

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organisation and there was all this bad press about Good Friday in St

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Pancras, hundreds of people penned in, for six and a half hours, saying

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no one was told what was going on with a couple of cancellations

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causing complete chaos. Surely that should not really happen in terms of

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how it is handled and how people are looked after? Yes, I'm sure we could

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have done better and I'm really sorry for the people involved. We

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had a track problem so we had to only have one train out of London

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and because the trains were so full, it was Good Friday, people had to

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wait to be rebooked on the next train. We wanted them to travel that

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day. We would offer that but for the ones, the last ones to travel, it

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was a long wait and I'm really sorry for them. And also, with the new

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trains, you can get many more people on but when it does go wrong, that's

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900 people waiting, stuck. Exactly, and that is why we are investing a

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lot in the stations at the moment to make them bigger. Paris will be the

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first because it requires more capacity. And then we will invest in

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London, just because the growth in the market is there. That is why we

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got the trains, to grow the business. That is why we invest. I

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want to get this in, the Germans are coming! They are watching you very

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closely. I know they have delayed their start-up but they are coming

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along the line. Apparently Deustchebahn is a very good

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operation and it will give you competition, no doubt. Yes, it will

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be competition but for me, the competition is more against

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airlines. If Deustchebahn comes, it will be more publicity for the rail

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link. For me, the big competition is, if you live in London, you can

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go to so many city break destinations in Europe nowadays. If

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you go to Paris, people will take the Eurostar and they can go to

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Rome, Barcelona and so forth. That is where we are competing.

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Interesting about city break. And quickly, a brief answer because we

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are out of time, running this kind of operation, what keeps you awake

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at night? You have the migrant crisis, people trying to get through

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the tunnel, the possibility of a terrorist attack on a train. How do

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you handle all of that on a personal level? Is it something you worry

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about? How do you cope with that? You don't worry about things because

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otherwise you can't act. You literally just have to be always on

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the ball. As a company, we are trying to mitigate as much as

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possible the risk because there is no zero risk in life. It is true

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that at the moment, there are lots of things changing. In the past 12

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months, it has been a big sea change in Europe. We have two imagine the

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best we can and I know we have very good teams and we are very well

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organised which is why I'm relaxed! Thank you for joining us. Good to

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have you on the show. France is braced for more strikes

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and protests today over proposed reforms to

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the country's labour laws. The Government wants an end

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to the rigid 35-hour working week - the shortest in any European country

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- which it says is helping keep Last week, the Cabinet agreed

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to reforms where staff could be asked to work 48 hours in a week,

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or even 60 in special circumstances, but only if they still average 35

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hours over a three-month period. Today's action looks set

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to cause disruption to public services, public transport and even

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TV services around the country. Today is the real big test for the

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French labour law. The unions which oppose it have promised a big

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turnout on the streets and if they can bring the numbers out, they have

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still got a chance to put pressure on the government to change the text

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yet again. Let's not forget, the government has already substantially

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watered down this bill. The aim of the reform to the labour code was to

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make it easier, less scary for companies to take on staff. At the

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beginning, business in general was very much in favour. But since then,

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the government has removed a lot of the key provisions, which has

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angered business, without particularly satisfying the left and

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the unions, which wants the whole thing completely scrapped. So the

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government is getting it from both sides at this time, just when you

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reminders are coming in of how desperately France needs reform. The

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latest unemployment figures show that thereafter in .6 million

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people, a record, out of work. -- there are 3.6 million. Other

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countries in Europe have this problem and are winning, are

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bringing down unemployment at not France.

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Hugh Schofield keeping us up-to-date with how things are going in France.

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Richard Dunbar, investment director at Aberdeen Asset Management

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This is the Sydney morning Herald Digital life section, Microsoft's

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artificial intelligence bot returns to Twitter and immediately goes off

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the rails again. She has got a foul-mouthed! She has no idea of the

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dos and don'ts of social media. Artificial intelligences everywhere,

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in finance and medicine, has been one of the great new things and

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Microsoft things it can be a great thing on Twitter. Artificial

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intelligence learns from the people around it. But she is not learning!

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Well you say that budgies obviously learning but from the wrong people.

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How to smoke marijuana apparently. Orange Micro last week, she made

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sexist and racist comments and this week she sent a spam attack to her

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new friends. I do know if this is thought of as a success. Is she

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learning from those around her or is she reflecting them? I don't know.

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The viewers have got in touch about this very quickly. "Both Human and

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artificial intelligence should, meant each other for efficiency".

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Thank you very much for all of your tweet even though we don't have time

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to mention them. Samsung are being seeded by Pele because they used a

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lookalike. Tells you what companies do when they don't like the price so

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Pele's price was obviously too high but it shines a light on image

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rights for footballers and gives you an idea of the value of footballers

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and why big clubs are willing to pay so much for them. Pele is suing for

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$30 million and apparently it's all about getting the right lawyers so

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they can make their trunk of change as well.

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