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This is Business Live from BBC News with Jamie Robertson

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Don't ban Uber and AirBNB - that's the message from Brussels

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as European cities crack down on the sharing economy.

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Live from London, that's our top story on the 2nd of June.

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Be more caring to the sharing - that's the message the European

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Commission is poised to deliver today - in a bid to unify the

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Also in the programme: Strikes, price wars and security fears.

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Worrying times for the global airlines - but the boss of Lufthansa

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tells us - passengers have never had it so good.

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And most of us have a loyalty card - or three - somewhere in our wallets

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- they often give you discounts - but they also give companies

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a mine of information about their customers.

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We'll be talking to the woman to helped to create the Tesco Clubcard.

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Also today we're looking a story about the end of the

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Yep, apparently British workers are just too busy

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So on that note - we want to know what you do for lunch.

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Do you eat lunch Al Fresco or Al Desko?

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Let us know - just use the hashtag BBC Biz Live.

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Companies like Uber and AirBnb are going to get a set of guidelines

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from Europe today - telling them how they can be regulated.

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And it's thought governments are going to be told - let them be.

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That's not the way things have been going though.

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Last month, Berlin started one of the toughest crackdowns

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on AirBnb fining landlords without holiday permits.

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Uber has also had its fair share of problems in Europe -

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angry taxi drivers in France, Spain, Brussels and the UK

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have all held protests against the ride-sharing app.

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As well as a high profile raid on its offices in Paris last year.

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Later this year, the European Court of Justice is due to rule

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on whether Uber is just a digital service or instead a transport

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company - which could mean it faces more regulation.

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But the rise of the so-called sharing economy seems relentless.

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By 2025, accountants PWC reckons the global market will be over

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$335 billion from just 15 billion only two years ago.

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That is a big increase. Let's stay with this story.

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Debbie Wosskow, chair of Sharing Economy UK -

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the UK's own sharing economy trade body.

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She's also the founder of Love Home Swap, itself

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Debbie, great to have you won the programme. Let's start with this

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European Commission report. It could end up being a law, I guess? This is

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great news for the consumer. The only thing I can think of is Europe

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has got a tough job. It has got to convince industries, everything from

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taxis to hotels? The key thing about this report, which has not yet been

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released, says it is great news for the consumer because what it

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provides is standardisation across 28 European countries. What you have

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seen to date is very different treatment of sharing economy

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platforms. You have France where Uber executives have been threatened

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with jail. You have Berlin where AirBnb hosts, ordinary people

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renting out their home or a room for a few days a year, have been

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threatened with a 100,000 euros fine. This creates enormous

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uncertainty in the minds of the consumer. What can they do? We do a

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lot of stories where we talk about regulation. The European Court of

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Justice is going to make a decision whether Uber is a tech company or a

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transport company. Regulation always seems to be behind, technology goes

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forward and regulation is back here. I think it is consecrated because of

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the rate of change. The important thing about the sharing economy is

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it allows ordinary people to make money and save money from the assets

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the own and the skills they have. The great thing about our feeling

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about what this report today will say is it makes that easier for the

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consumer. But surely you have a problem where you have the growth in

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an industry like this, and you don't have the regulation for the taxi

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drivers, for people taking out an apartment in a city or whatever.

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Places have got to come up to certain standards. Shouldn't you be

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enforcing that in some way? Many of these sharing operations skip around

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those red relations? I think one of the points from the report which is

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interesting, and I would predict is a topic for the discussion to come,

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is the status of the work on the sharing economy platform. Are they

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employed by the platform, or are they completely independent as a

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contractor. We have talked about Uber a lot, but this applies to a

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lot of sharing economy businesses like companies delivering takeaway

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is, and people providing services like cleaning in the home. Are those

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people self-employed or are they employed? That has a huge impact on

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not just how the platform pays tax, but also things like health and

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safety. There is no solution there? I think it is complicated.

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I would absolutely put the UK at the forefront of this conversation. We

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have set up sharing economy UK, but we also the first company in

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the world to develop an independent trust We will help people be more

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confident that they will be treated in a uniform way. Thank you.

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Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Zanganeh has rejected suggestions OPEC

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would agree a production cap at its meeting in Vienna,

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saying "An output ceiling has no benefit to us".

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Tehran, which only recently returned to world oil markets after Western

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sanctions were lifted, has opposed any attempt to limit

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The taxi app Uber has attracted a $3.5 billion dollar investment

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from Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund.

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The new money values the company at more than 62 billion dollars.

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The money will help it to expand in the Middle East,

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where the company says 80% of its users in Saudi Arabia

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are women - who are banned from driving themselves in the country.

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The European Central Bank is expected to raise growth

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and inflation forecasts when it meets later.

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But it's widely predicted to leave interest rates on hold and make no

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change to its massive economic stimulus policies.

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Perhaps no surprises there? I want to take a look at this. In Dublin,

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all the big bosses of the global aviation industry... This is your

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area. I love it! Ryanair is the largest carrier in Europe by

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passenger numbers. It continues to grow but later in the programme, we

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will hear from the big boss of Lufthansa. That is your's biggest

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airline by revenue. He will talk about security. He says passengers,

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you have never had a better? We will do that in a little bit.

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Keep control! Now we've heard about Saudi Arabia

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investing in Uber, it seems Singapore's sovereign wealth fund

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has also been splashing the cash. It's bought a billion dollars

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of shares in the Chinese Sharanjit Leyl is in

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Singapore for us. This is really interesting. There

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are quite a few New York hedge funds betting against Alibaba saying it

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will go even lower, even weaker, if you will? They are betting against

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that idea. These two Singapore funds have snapped up $1 billion of shares

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in this Chinese e-commerce firm. Japan's Softbank which is Alibaba's

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biggest shareholder, is selling off its stake in the firm to pay off its

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own debts. It will continue as Alibaba's largest shareholder. Two

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funds purchased $1 million worth of Alibaba's shares. They confirmed the

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transaction and declined to comment further. Alibaba purchased 2 billion

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stock from one of the funds. Senior executives purchased $400 million

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worth. They seem to be a lot of opportunities for other firms

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bidding to get a chunk of that as Softbank sells off a stake. Thank

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you. Let's have a look at the markets.

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The Nikkei is down. There is discussion about delaying a sales

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tax which should strengthen the market. Since Monday, we have seen

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the pound fall by 2 cents against the dollar. You can see the FTSE

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moving up quarter of 1%. Not a huge amount of change there. Tomorrow, we

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have got from the US jobs data. I think the markets are waiting to see

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what happens there. Michelle Fleury has more about what is ahead on Wall

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Street today. Friday's jobs report looms large. On

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Thursday, investors will get a foretaste with a release of the

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National employment report. It will probably show American companies

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took on more staff in May. Private companies are expected to have hired

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175,000 employees last month. Separately, Challenger Gray and

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Christmas will release its report on lay-offs. The federal bank's report

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known as the beige book, is already pointing to a tightening jobs

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market. Fed official save the economy continues to improve, it may

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soon be time for a rate hike. Chairwoman Janet Leyland said last

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week, probably in the coming months such a move would be appropriate #

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Janet Yellin. Let's stay with some market stories.

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Laurence Gosling is a familiar face. Can we use this section to talk the

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Opec meeting? Nothing will happen in Vienna today. I heard on my earlier

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programmes this morning, some oil experts saying this rise, it is

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around 50 bucks at the moment, it was $27 in January, this rise in the

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price of oil, some will say it is a temporary blip, it has been causing

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disruptions in Nigeria, Canada etc. Do you think it is a temporary blip?

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No, I do. I think we are on a sustained rise. We are not going to

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go back to $100. I think we will get $70 a barrel by the end of the year.

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Mainly because I think the outlook for the global economy is better

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than we thought it was in January. But there are other factors keeping

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the price down. Iran is coming on stream but also there is shale gas

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in the background. It is very cheap now to start up those new

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operations. As soon as the price gets to a certain level, or it will

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bring in supply? It is not so easy to turn these taps on in the US as

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people suggest. A lot of them have closed down because the price has

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dropped. For them to come back, it will require some positive US data.

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I think it is more to do with the politics, the Saudi versus Iran

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which has been playing out. But ultimately, the world economy,

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particularly China looks healthier than it did. In a word, Opec, still

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relevant? Less relevant than it used to be. You will come back and talk

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through the papers. Thank you. They can often give you discounts,

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but they also give companies a treasure trove of information

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about their customers. We'll be talking to the woman

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who helped to create You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. The fate of the collapsed high

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street retailer BHS is expected The company went into

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administration in April, just a year after it was sold

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by Sir Philip Green for ?1. The company's 11,000 staff

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will learn whether it will be Rob Young is in our

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Business newsroom. The fate of BHS is on a knife edge

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this morning. Sources close to it so they anticipated a decision will be

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made at some point today, whether to sell the retailer to a new owner, or

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whether to begin the process of winding it up. Potential buyers have

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come and gone in recent weeks, and it was thought there is only one

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serious buyer left in this process, and we were told yesterday that

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they'd needed refining, and a decision was likely to be made

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today. This has been an anxious time for the 11,000 workers at BHS whose

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jobs hang in the balance. Just briefly, what went wrong? Retail

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analysts say it was a retailer that failed to keep up with fashion

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trends, it was regarded as a bit out of date, and experts say that if the

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company is bought, it needs serious amounts of money to be able to turn

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it around, but if there isn't a buyer, this would be the biggest

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failure on the high street since Woolworths back in 2008. Rob Young,

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thank you for joining us. We will talk to again tomorrow. Let's have a

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look and see what is happening on BBC Business Live. This is all about

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the Premier League, it is way ahead of everybody else in terms of

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finances, 92 clubs earned ?4 billion last season. We knew this was on the

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cards. Is this all foreign investment, Lauren was saying it was

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a lot to do with Chinese investment. It is from all over the world. And

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Leicester is Thai, isn't it. I don't follow football. In

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Australia, we kicks a ball, but then we pick it up and run with it, too.

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Very confusing. Our top story - be more

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caring to the sharing. That's the message the European

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Commission is poised to deliver today in a bid to unify the approach

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to services like Uber and AirBNB Most of us have got a loyalty card

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stashed somewhere in our wallets. The same cards that also provide

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companies with a treasure trove One of those cards we're talking

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about is the Tesco Clubcard. It was introduced in 1995,

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became a runaway success and helped the company leapfrog its competitor

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Sainsbury's in the late 1990s. The loyalty card scheme was created

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by Edwina Dunn and her mathematician husband for a fraction

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of the cost of rival bids. I say mathematician advisedly,

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because that will become important in a second.

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She's now the chief executive of Starcount, which uses social

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media and financial data to try and help companies better

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And we have got her in the studio! Great to have you with us. Can I

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start with this, cause you mentioned about the science. I have a Tesco

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Clubcard, most people probably have one, and I get e-mails saying, this

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is on sale, this is good, they are products I have purchased in the

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past. So I blame you and your husband for that! You came up with

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the science behind this. When was that eureka moment? I don't think

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there had ever been data quite as rich as this before. People talk

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about big data, and every body thinks their data is valuable, and

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mostly it isn't. It is mostly things that don't translate to economic

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indicators, but what turned out was that how we shop is probably one of

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the most important economic indicators we have in our armoury

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today, because we can tell when the increased the size of the basket, we

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can tell when students come back home, we can tell when people lose

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their jobs. It is a really powerful indicator. But you say you are

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moving on away from just looking at what they buy but how they behave on

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social media, so you are looking at more in-depth view of how we behave.

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There are very few things that are predicted from what we bought

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before. But, serial, milk, we bought them last week, we buy them this

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week, but if you buy a car, travel, a luxury item, what you bought

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before is not a predictor of what you are going to buy. So what we are

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looking at now, used to beat you are what you eat, now it is you are what

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you love. We are looking at the persona of what it is you are

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passionate about, and that becomes a forecast of future intent. And is it

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the same science that you started back then? It isn't, interestingly.

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That is a really good question, because the maths we are using now

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is all about networks and connectivity. So it is who is

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connected to who. We are looking at the science of leaders and

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followers, because it is who you follow that is defining who you are.

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It is a bit creepy. The leaders are public entities. What we follow, the

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really shocking news is we have looked at girls and boys, and what

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they follow. Boys have quite a diverse portfolio of what they

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follow. The shocking thing about girls is on the whole, they follow

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celebrity and fashion exclusively. Much more narrow-minded, in a way.

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This will get me e-mails! This is the shocking truth. It is narrow,

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and actually, one of the things that I have found from this data is that

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maybe girls don't have enough role models, and it is another thing that

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I am really into. Easier to sell to them, then? It is easier to know

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what they're looking at, which is celebrity in fashion, and those are

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connected. There is always talk about the danger of our information

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being in the wrong hands. What is your take on the privacy laws? The

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great thing about leaders on social media is that they can't really get

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there unless they have 10,000 followers, so they are brands and

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public entities. They want to be seen and heard, so it is public

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data. I just pipped 10,000 followers, so that means I'm a

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public entity in my information can be out there? Is it easy to get the

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information? It is easy to get the data, and we know who is crazy about

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you and who is crazy about you and we can understand not only that they

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like you but what else they like... You are scaring the bid Jesus out of

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me! Thank you very much for coming in.

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Come on, James. Now, this Thursday, all the top

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airline bosses are in Dublin for the annual meeting

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of their trade body IATA, the International Air

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Transport Association. We've been talking to Carsten Spohr,

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the boss of Europe's He says the airline industry

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is constantly putting all efforts It is important to state that flying

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is and remains the safest way of transport. It has been, and with all

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the ongoing efforts to increase safety even further, it will be in

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the future, so even though we have had unfortunate incidents in the

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last month, historically flying is as safe as ever before, and I have

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not visited one meeting at this conference where we don't touch on

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safety. It is the number one, surely for Lufthansa and I think for the

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whole industry. Aaron is desperately try to find something. Boozy lunches

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are over. I thought they had been over four years. You can't afford to

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because your boss won't sign off your expenses the way they did. Does

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it make a difference to the way we do business? No, because lunch has

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been replaced by breakfast. Boozy breakfasts? No, sober breakfasts,

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and short ones. And do we see people having their lunch al desko? You

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don't have time to go for a big lunch in the middle of the day.

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Definitely boozy lunches are over. In the Scandinavian countries, it is

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highly publicised, I used to live in Copenhagen, they would make sure

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that you had a break and go to the canteen, because it was healthy for

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the mind. This story from Vancouver, it says house owners made more

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sitting on their assets than the entire population did working last

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year. Is this a surprise or story anywhere on the globe now? A lot of

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major cities, London is a great example, a single family home has

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been rising in price and value, because there is so much demand.

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But what does it mean about where money is? It isn't going to

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investment and business. It shows that there are what economists call

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asset bubbles, and a lot of wealth is in real estate, because it is a

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safe place in people's minds to put the money, because it is safer than

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the bank or stock market. They are not getting the returns from the

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bank, because interest rates are so low. How long do we have? That it!

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We will see you soon, Lawrence. There will be more business news

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throughout the day on the BBC Live web page and on World Business

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Report. We will be back here, I will be back

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in two hours. He is off. We will see you tomorrow!

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Most of us can look forward to some fine weather come the weekend.

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