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This is Business Live from BBC News, with Sally Bundock


Mining giant BHP Billiton tells us it lost nearly $6.5 billion over


Live from London, that's our top story on Tuesday the 16th August.


The fatal mining disaster in Brazil and the plummet in commodity prices


have taken a huge bite out of the world's biggest mining


We'll get an expert view on where BHP is headed next.


Also in the programme - how about this deal?


Well, if you live in the US Volkswagen is giving you cash


as compensation for the emissions scandal and will fix your car.


In Europe, it's a bit of pipe to fix the problem.


And the markets are headed lower in Europe - watch out


for the UK inflation data that is due out this morning.


What will it tell us about what the Bank


And put on your science caps - we'll be looking at


Lasers are used in everything from drilling to cancer treatment


and we'll find out from a leading UK firm how they're improving


Are all technological innovations positive?


Or do we rely too much on technology to help us?


Can you go a day without Google maps, for instance?


Quantum physics, my specialist subject!


It's a record loss for the mining giant BHP Billiton -


That is the company's worst result since it was founded in the 1850s.


The world's largest miner, like many other commodity firms,


has suffered greatly by the collapse in commodity prices


But also hitting BHP's bottom line was the fallout from the Samarco


Last November an iron-ore mine dam collapsed and released


a torrent of toxic mud, killing 19 people and


Brazilian prosecutors have brought a multi-billion dollar law


suit against the company and its partner there,


So a lot happening as far as BHP Billiton is concerned. Over to you,


Aaron? James Butterfill is head of research


and investment strategy at ETF Securities. Great to have you. Let's


start with this. It is almost like a perfect storm, the slowdown in the


commodities, the dam disaster and BHP is a bit of a bad bet on US


shale, the fracking story in America, it has all come together?


Saudi Arabia has employed a strategy of trying to destroy the shale


business in United States. The marginal cost of production, how


much it costs to produce oil per barrel, it is around $60 per barrel,


the price has fallen to about $47. It is not cost-effective. It has


really hurt BHP. Coupled with that, we have seen a 13% fall in iron ore,


roughly 20% fall in silver over the financial year. It has picked up


recently but that will not be reflected in results. To make


matters worse we had the disaster, they had initially said it will cost


about $1.3 billion, they have pushed that up to $2.2 billion. So a total


write-off for earnings of around $7.7 billion, pretty grim. They set


aside 2.2 for the dam disaster in Brazil, but what is the civil


lawsuit? $48 billion, it is a bit unrealistic, a bit like BP with the


well incident, it was never the amount that the initial estimate


said, it will probably come down, but they will have to start making


provisions for this. Sally wants to join in as well, but this commodity


slowdown, it has been building up, has BHP done a good job in battening


down the hatches for the storm, could they have done better? They


went on a massive capital expenditure spending splurge to help


China building its infrastructure. Since Chinese growth has slowed


down, they have cut that back. They were spending $22 billion a year, in


2017 they will be $5 billion. That is how much they are scaling back


investment. It brings in concerns about future profitability if it is


not investing any more. What did they say about the dividend? Chief


executive Andrew McKenzie was forced to say we will not stick to the


promise of keeping or upping the dividend? If you are an investor,


quantitative easing has meant you are yield starved, you want some


form of income. Yields have been exceptionally low recently as a


consequence, people have been looking for places. Mines have been


paying fantastic dividend yields. Except for BHP, it can only cover


its dividends, earnings only cover about half of it, so it has divided


from elsewhere. It is likely that it will cut the dividends. And the


gates are easing. James, short and sweet, we appreciated.


We will talk to you sometime again. BHP shares are opening down 1.7% in


London. In other news, Australia's central


bank has explained why it cut interest rates for the second time


in four months earlier this month. It said inflation would remain


low and the economy It also said that house price


concerns had cooled, Indonesian Airlines have been


cleared to begin flying to the US US transport officials said


Indonesia's aviation sector had met international standards


and its safety rating had been Indonesia's fast-growing aviation


market suffered several high-profile accidents


and was downgraded in 2007. They were banned from entering the


United States then. Oh, we have the #BBCBizLive page! That is your job,


Aaron. BHP is quite heavily on there. You


caught me by surprise, I forgot I had the tablet. I will tell the


viewers. Investment firm Berkshire Hathaway


says it has added a large chunk The investment firm,


which is run by legendary investor Warren Buffett,


increased its stake in Apple That is quite interesting, he has


not traditionally been keen on tech stocks but is tipping his toe in the


water. Have you found something else? I have not had a chance to


look at the latest Apple share price. But that is a lot of money.


OK, it's that time to head over to our Singapore bureau and talk


about why shares in the commercial property group Dalian Wanda,


owned by China's richest man have been climbing today.


Why are they going? They have risen. Stocks under the deli and wander


group are trading almost 2.5% higher in Hong Kong on Wednesday --


Tuesday. The billionaire won shareholder approval on Monday to


buy out the company for a whopping 4.4 billion US dollars, clearing the


way for the biggest ever privatisation deal in Hong Kong,


less than two years after the company was first floated. This sets


the stage for Dalian Wanda group to relocate its Hong Kong listing to


mainland China, which is where companies are fetching higher


valuations than in Hong Kong. It would be a relief for the


billionaire owner, who has faced difficulties completing


transactions, but not everyone will be pleased. Wanda is one of many


companies hoping to take advantage of higher mainland valuations, some


worry about a risk to the Hong Kong market. For Japan, it was a day of


decline. It was not like that to the whole trading session, it was


enjoying some gains, then it all went sour because the dollar got a


much weaker and the yen strengthened significantly. Just to say that the


big exporters listed in Tokyo are having a very tough time today. Hong


Kong is a little bit flat. Wall Street, higher. The S 500 enjoying


record gains. Let's look at Europe. As mentioned earlier, declaims right


across the board. BHP Billiton dragging down the FTSE 100/1% at the


open, shares in general are a bit lower. Let's not forget the time of


year, mid-August, very thin trading. Samir Hussein has the details about


what to expect on Wall Street. The number one improvement chain will


report earnings on Tuesday. Home Depot is expected to continue its


streak of strong results as customers spend more on homes and


home improvement. Speaking of homes, housing figures are not expected to


have changed much in July compared to one month earlier. The numbers


indicate slow progress in residential construction. Also in


economic news, the consumer Price Index is not expected to have


changed in July. Given the very slow pace of inflation, economists


believe it allows the US central bank to maintain monetary policy, to


keep interest low. Bronwyn Curtis joins us, a familiar face. We will


talk about the US in a bit, but in the UK, inflation numbers today.


Inflation is looking backwards, right? We want to look forward. We


have seen ten plus percent drop in the value of the pound, that will


take some time. That is not good for inflation? Inflation will go up,


because you import, you pay more for goods. That goes through to


inflation. It is not happening yet, it will probably be the latter part


of the year. But a year on, we're looking at inflation, according to


the Bank of England, back at 2%, higher than the target of 2% after


that. Some of us are looking at something like 3% by the end of next


year, very high. The Bank of England today, it is its second week of the


bond buying programme, it has not been going very well? They are


trying to push down long-term rates. Everybody knows they are doing it,


the big fund managers and the pension funds are holding out for


better prices. They will be able to get these bonds, but it will take


some time. They are trying to push down yields across the board so that


companies and households will borrow and spend to help the economy. They


are not worried about inflation, they are worried about the economy.


If we go across the Atlantic, Samir is mentioning things, we got the


minutes from the US that meeting, that should give them an indication?


They have got other data out this week. We saw the dollar weakened


today and although the Fed minutes would say the risks have diminished,


anyone would be able to push any rate higher into the future. People


are a bit nervous about what is going on with the Fed with rates,


will they had to pump more money in it is hovering, the markets are


harbouring and waiting for somebody to push them one way or the other.


We are at very high levels now. No hope in hell that they will do two


rate rises between now and the end of the year.


I hope you will not have to eat your heart!


I will if I had to! Still to come, we'll be looking


at the world of lasers and how they can be used to make your life


and health better. You're with Business


Live from BBC News. We were just discussing the


inflation data coming out for July which will be the first data on


consumer prices since the vote to leave the European Union in June.


But the pound's fall, since the referendum should, in theory,


increase inflation. As imports become more expensive, it's going to


take some time but it could return to the 2% target by the end of the


year for the Bank of England? Andrew joins us from our flashy business


newsroom. Andrew, is this the way... OK, the first number since the


Brexit vote, they're not going to take much into account, are they?


Not much. We'd been living at inflation last year, and we just got


one months worth of the impact of that depreciation in the value of


the pound and of course it's going to take time to feed through. This


is what inflation have been doing all year. It was 0.1% it has picked


up since then and the most recent figure, June, 0.5%. And that,


frankly, is what most economists are expecting to see a game in the new


figures. No change, not yet, at least. Worth mentioning that we're


also going to be getting producer price indices, the prices charged by


manufacturers at the factory gate and more importantly the prices I


have to pay for raw materials and components including imported stuff,


which might just show a little bit more of the impact of the decline in


Stirling. At least you would expect to do feed through to that part of


the supply chain rather more Rickie Lambert prices paid by consumers.


Andrew, I know we all watch this data like a hawk and so do people


like the Bank of England and traders in the city, but for those in the


rest of the UK, how important is it? To what extent does it impact them?


In terms of how the Bank of England responsible as interest-rate policy,


there's also the question of these particular figures about regulated


rail fares. The figures for retail Price index, different one from this


one, and will be higher, they will be used as a benchmark for train


fares the next year. This particular figure actually does affect us in


the pocket. Andrew, thanks, mate. Andrew Walker. You were videoing


your husband earlier. It was a freebie conversation. Google Duo


launches today. Another one. Dignity out of a deep hole,


Digging itself out of hole, a deep hole - BHP Billiton


ever in the company's history, $6.5 billion, as falling commodity


prices and a deadly dam failure in Brazil hit hard.


it was just below 6.5 to be precise. 6.3 85.


A quick look at how the markets are faring.


They are all in the red. A real change in fortunes because these


markets have been going higher and higher for days. Ending higher on


Monday, but we saw a weakness in Tokyo, Japan down 1.6 at the close


of the dollar weakness affecting Japan. And general selling going on.


Our next guest works with light and in particular lasers to create


products for areas as diverse as computing and medicine.


Dr Graeme Malcolm co-founded M Squared Lasers in 2006,


originally to create lasers for use in academic scientific research.


The Scottish firm now has offices in the US including San Jose,


The firm explores, develops, and manufactures next-generation


lasers for use in oil and gas exploration, cancer detection,


through to the discovery of explosives through spectral scans.


A large growth area for the company is the application of quantum


technology which is being harnessed to create a new generation


of electronics, including sensors, communications systems


The man himself is in the studio and I've been dying for you to come in


and help us out because it's great to have you with us. Quantum


physics, for us, can you break it down? What are we talking about?


Everybody said about quantum leap. Einstein 100 years ago, a lot of


great scientists wrote a theory about quantum and it was a big leap


forward in understanding but it's taken a long time for people to


catch up selling quantum physics we take a particle, and atom, a


building block of matter, or a proton, a particle of light, and


reprocessed them using quantum physics, strange things happen and


we can exchange information through teleportation. We can create more


powerful computer bits which can be not just on and off but both on and


off at the same time. It lets technology moves forward. We've had


analogue electronics with TVs with valves in them, digital for and and


quantum is the next layer of that technology journey. You can put it


into lasers and you are telling me in the Green room, using your


smartphone here, lasers are used... I'm bamboozled how much lasers are


used in manufacturers. The 20 or 30 different processors inside a cell


phone. Everything from the glass, the touch-screen, so, really, the


way the lasers replace mechanical drills and processing over the last


10-15 years has been a phenomenal rate of progress. So who are your


clients and who do you sell stuff to and what are you selling? Laser


technology and systems based on laser technology to everything from


academia, the world's best universities, MIT, Stanford, Oxford,


Cambridge, through to government, so for the detection technology trying


to help counterterrorism for the week and fingerprint materials, so


we work with different governments in Europe and the USA. And more and


more we are starting to see the industrialisation, so


instrumentation companies and big blue-chip companies that could not


be solved about starting to move into this technology. How did you


are a kid, did you used to take are a kid, did you used to take


things a and put them back together? Yes, not always successfully putting


it together again. I kind of got into this because I had a great


physics teacher at school. He physics teacher at school. He


inspired me. Mr cocky. Mr cocky? You have done well. When I went to


university, I must make my choices, and it seemed like the future and


now, as we move forward, it's become mainstream. Moving forward, there


are some things you're working on now which will make a big impact in


30 years' time, affecting us all. What sorts of things? We are working


in London on a science using laser imaging to look at how the brain


works and to generative rain disease is begun to become a bigger problem


as medical science letters live longer. A la understanding of the


brain is not a very great at the moment. We don't understand how it


works and how to solve diseases of the brain so we can do work in a


particular area. OK, it's fascinating. It's fascinating how


without it, we don't have anything. Usually our guests bring something


in. I've got a smartphone. Nice to meet you. Thanks very much.


In a moment we'll take a look through the Business Pages but first


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Twitter. And on Facebook. Business live on TV and online, whenever you


need to know. Bronwyn is back to look through some


of the paper stories. This is one of our headline stories.


The Volkswagen scandal. We knew they were going to pay up in America and


not Europe so the Americans, if you own a Volkswagen with a dodgy


system, you get 20 grand compensation. And the car is fixed


as well. In Europe, you get up plastic type. Interesting. It's all


about being able to do class action suits, and in the US, you can. In


Europe, the legislation is such that you really can't do that. So what


they are trying to do, there are lawyers getting together trying to


do online so they can get enough people together to do the equivalent


of a class-action suit, so this would be extremely costly, because


there's about half a million vehicles in the USA and I think 8.5


million in Europe. So imagine the cost of that because, you know, at


20,000 a throw, dollars, that is, you rose, whatever, it's an awful


lot of money. Let's look at this story which I thought was really


interesting. It's about hedge funds is using small satellites in space


to keep an eye on stuff to help them make their decisions about future


investments. I think it's a fantastic idea. If more central


banks looked out of the box... These are tiny shoe box sized satellites


which are going into places, for example, looking at oil tanks in the


USA, and they have floating lives and by looking at how high load the


lids are, you can see really what the infantry is of oil. I thought of


something because I used the run an office in South Africa counting the


pods on cocoa trees in Africa. We used to do it every three weeks. We


used to forecast the crop. We wouldn't have to do that. We were


just send in the satellites and look at it, so I think, what they are


doing, Nasa scientists about this company together with the satellites


but then they sell the data to somebody else. We'll hedge funds


management companies have to have a new technology team to manage this


side of the business? They have got a data company who is going to


actually provide insights, forecasts. We'll publish have them


on here. Who is sending up the satellites? Commercial space? A


private company. The hedge funds by the predictions from the data


company. In about 15 seconds, we've seen banks in the UK with


interest-rate cuts, savers, let's be honest, we are screwed, aren't we?


There are more savers and borrowers but was going to happen. I had


someone on Sunday just saying that they were getting 3% but they are


not now. OK, always a pleasure. Hello. It's been a cool but


sparkling start to the day in many parts of the British Isles and our


weather watchers have been out in force capturing the full majesty of


the morning. The satellite picture


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