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following the UK's decision to leave the club.

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Live from London, that's our top story

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Later today, Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande and Matteo Renzi

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will discuss the future of the European Union.

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There are deep divisions across Europe as to when Britain

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should formally begin the process of leaving the EU.

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After months of speculation,

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the Indian government has appointed this man,

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Urjit Patel, as the next governor of India's Central Bank.

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his predecessor is credit with curbing double-digit inflation

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in the world's fastest growing major economy.

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Europe has opened lower, we will tell you why, it is a bit of a

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central bank thing this week again. If you've ever worked

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into an office, the chances are you've probably

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stood on a carpet tile made They're the world's biggest maker

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of what's known as modular flooring, but can such a big manufacturer

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operate sustainably? And, following the closing

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ceremony of Rio 2016, we want to know whether you think

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the Olympic games represents good Are you still using some

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of the facilities or is the Olympic Modular flooring! Who would have

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thought! For our American friends, carpet tiles! That is what it is.

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The German Chancellor, French President and Prime Minister

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of Italy are meeting today to discuss the future of Europe,

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following Britain's decision to leave the Europe Union.

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This is the second set of talks between the premiers

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of the eurozone's three largest economies since Britain's shock

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So what's at stake for Europe following Brexit?

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The UK is the world's 5th largest economy,

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and one of the EU's biggest contributors and until it formally

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leaves will keep paying into the EU budget.

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Last year the UK's net contribution was around 11 billion dollars.

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Germany's finance ministry has already hinted its contribution may

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have to rise by 2.5 billion when Britain leaves.

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If the UK-EU divorce proceedings become protracted

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and acrimonious, economic growth for both sides will be affected.

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Uncertainty is likely to have a negative impact

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from financial services to manufacturing.

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infrastructure spending has already declined sharply

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Europe will face a test with elections in France,

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Weak growth and high unemployment in much of Europe

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to eurosceptic and anti-immigration right wing parties.

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And if Britain does manage to negotiate a favourable exit

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it may prompt other EU countries to try and follow suit.

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Welcome to the programme, what you think will be the key issues that

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they discuss, clearly, Brexit is going to figure heavily, Guntram

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Wolff, Director of the Bruegel Institute, thank you for joining us.

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Links to this question is what do we as continental Europeans want to do

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differently to convince voters across the continent that getting

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dispassionate about the European project to be more convinced about

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European integration, it is about that, the relations to the UK as

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well as the formation of the EU itself. Angela Merkel says that she

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would like a better Europe as opposed to more Europe, they are

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having to rethink, aren't they, the way that they discuss the future for

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Europe, because for those areas within the European club who are

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very not happy about the scenario, the status quo, they need to get

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them on board, to not have another Brexit occur. Another Brexit is not

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that likely, many people here have seen that there was a lot of

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political turmoil in the United Kingdom, and people are looking very

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carefully at the numbers, the business numbers, and so on, that

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are coming in from the UK, but it is clear that there is a lot of

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dissatisfaction across perhaps the entire Western world about

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joblessness and income inequality and low productivity growth and

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growth only going to the top one or 2%, and so on. This is a massive

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topic, and on top of that, the Eurozone faces still a couple of

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very specific problems, low growth is particularly bad, particularly

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bad in the Eurozone, I think we need at least from the macroeconomic

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policy side and from debt restructuring side, we need more

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action to really get growth going, and job creation going. Given that,

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there is a valid point, some may say that the UK has the upper hand here,

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given the size of the UK market, the EU cannot afford not to deal with

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the UK market, and on top of that, all of the problems you just said

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about the use... In fact, these three leaders, they are between a

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rock and a hard place. Yes, that is right, I would say that the real

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issue, both sides will lose, if you go on a confrontational side, the UK

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would be more effective on average than every single continental

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company, but frankly, in this global volatile world, Europe as a whole

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cannot afford to lose another three, four, five-year is with internal

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battles. I really hope that we find a collaborative solution, and I

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think that it is a fundamental political question, really, whether

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the UK wants to negotiate, engage, establish some close collaboration

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with Europe, not membership of the EU, and which has mobility, and

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reverse, the continent, people have to decide, do we accept to form a

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deal where there is less labour mobility, control of Lebanon

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mobility, but still substantial access to the single market. We

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appreciate your time, thank you for joining us. -- control of Labour

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mobility. Later on they will be doing a press conference from an

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Italian aircraft carrier, at sea, I wonder whether Theresa May will be

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tuning in! That is where they formulated the regional... The EU

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itself... That is where they did it, the Constitution itself! That is

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where they did it, on the aircraft carrier. You don't believe me!

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LAUGHTER Other stories making headlines, what

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about this one: The operator of the Hong Kong stock

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exchange has introduced new measures effective today,

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to help deal with extreme price The new system will restrict a stock

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from moving more than 10% during a 5-minute period

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during the trading day. The new controls are similar

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to models used by stock exchanges US pharmaceutical giant Pfizer

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is reportedly in advanced talks to buy cancer drug company

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Medivation for about $14 billion. The Financial Times and Bloomberg

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are reporting that an announcement of a takeover could come

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early this week. San Francisco-based Medivation

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produces the prostate-cancer I'm on my feet again, taking a look

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at the market, starting with yen, the Japanese yen, that has

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strengthened towards the 100 per dollar mark. Not good for the

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Japanese economy... Can we show the markets? Not too sure, it has

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triggered a bout of verbal intervention from the Japanese

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authorities. Cannot yet show you the markets, but we can tell you that

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the yen continues to rise. Talk of more Japanese stimulus in September.

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But look let's be frank markets have been blown this way and that in

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recent weeks by comments from US Federal Reserve officials on the

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likelihood or at least the merits of higher US interest rates. We have a

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small market is up here, the Nikkei like the fact there could be more

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stimulus coming. Let's be frank, markets have been blowing this way

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and that way. In fact it feels like we've had a bunch of mixed messages.

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But hopefully that'll all become clearer on August 26th this Friday

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when central bankers from around the world gather in Jackson Hole,

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Wyoming for a pow wow! Imex data and surveys are going to

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give us a clearer picture. -- a mix of data and surveys. This includes

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house prices and home sales and existing home sales. Also look out

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for bolts rather's update on its regular Tory approval to fix the 8.5

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million diesel engine. -- regulatory. On Friday, all eyes will

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be once again on this US central bank, where the Federal reserve

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chair, Janet Yellen, speaks at a monetary policy symposium in

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Wyoming. As usual, investors will be looking for clues as to when we

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might see an interest rate hike will stop giving a sense of what is ahead

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in the United States, Samira Hussain.

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Many will say that this man has some big shoes to fill, replacing the

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so-called rock and roll star of India economics. That is why some

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people feel he got the job, there were many big names in the race who

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had achieved economic adviser to the government. Many had expected that

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the government may pick them up, but what has gone in his favour, is

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apart from having strong credentials, he is someone who does

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not speak outside of monetary policy issues, something that he is famous

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for doing for, and the last three years, checking up, he has given one

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interview and one sweet, that shows he is a local guide, good at his

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job, strong record, not just with the government, but working with

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various previous governments in different departments. That is what

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has gone in his favour. He has worked with... This is a signal to

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the markets and investors that they want to continue with the same

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policies that they had initiated in the last two or three years. Thank

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you very much. Urjit Patel, the new governor to be of the reserve bank

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of India. It is all about the central banks. The third vice

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chairman Stanley Fish are talking about the US economy over the

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weekend, as Arron has mentioned, Japan's central-bank governor

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hinting that there is more stimulus in September, we are all looking to

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the central bank chiefs to help us through the year. We certainly are,

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seems like there is a diverging approach here, between the different

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countries, we have just heard that India is looking to separate fiscal

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and monetary policy, monetary being what the central banks do, he in the

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UK, what Mark Carney might do, or the US or the fat, but the fiscal

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policies of the government, and India looking to say, we have had

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someone who has been interfering on the physical side. -- the US or the

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fed. In Japan they are looking to pump money in. That is the decision

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of the Prime Minister of Japan. In the UK we have the monetary policy

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of the Bank of England, producing interest rates, reducing cutely. Now

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the focus turns to the Chancellor, Philip Hammond, to see what he will

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do on the fiscal side, and in America, the all-powerful Federal

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reserve, meeting with some of the other central bankers in Wyoming,

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and talking about how they will change monetary policy. We will see

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different approaches around the world, that will make for very

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interesting approaches to markets. At this central-bank meeting, you

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would love to be a fly on the wall, you can imagine that, we are doing

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as much as we can, probably above and beyond what the role of a

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central bank is, more on the fiscal side... Maybe they together can put

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more pressure, independently...? There will be more pressure on

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governments but it is not in the central bank's interest to say we

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are doing all we can, most central bankers are keen to be involved in

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policy on a wider perspective, we see central bankers gain influence

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every time we come on and talk. Seems to be that the central bankers

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are ever more important. They would never admit to not being able to do

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anything more. I think they will be nudging their counterpart at the

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Treasury Departments. In Japan, great example, working together. To

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be able to do something. For the uninitiated, monetary was

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what the central banks do, pumping given money, interest rates, fiscal

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is what the government, Labour reforms... Infrastructure, tax rates

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and those kinds of things. Thanks, Nick, we will see you in a

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moment. Still to come, if you have ever worked in an office, chances

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are you have stood on a carpet made by an American firm, Interface.

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Later in the programme we will speak to the company about their plans for

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the future and how green they are. You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. A new report by the UK's leading

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trade union has found that ethnic minority groups are a third more

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likely to be under-employed compared The TUC research has been submitted

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to the UK Government's consultation into developing black and minority

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talent. Wilf Sullivan is race and equalities

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officer at the TUC. Welcome to the programme. Hard to

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believe we are in the middle of 2016 and this is still an issue? Yes, it

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has been a long-standing problem which we have constantly published

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reports about. This report looks at a range of issues but today we are

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highlighting under employment, which is where people are either in

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part-time work and want full-time work, or just want more hours. Why

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is this issue not being properly addressed? You highlighted it at the

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TUC but other organisations have also highlighted the problem, and I

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know there are think tanks all over the place, the House of Lords has a

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committee to look at the issue of diversity, why are we not seeing

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significant progress? We think the Government needs to have a strategy

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which addresses this, and we also think there is any need for

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employers to do more monitoring, to have target and be more transparent

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about what they are doing to employ BMT staff. -- BME. It might be an

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old-fashioned concept, but quotas? I'm not talking about quotas but

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about positive action being taken. What the figures show is that we are

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not a labour market which just appoints people on the basis of

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merit, and that discrimination does exist, so we need to address it. OK,

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thank you so much for your time today, and of course we will keep an

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eye on the progress of that and what the TUC does in terms of Government

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reaction. Let's show you this picture here.

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Former Prime Minister John Major, a picture of him clapping with

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delight, because Team GB came above China in the Olympic medal table. He

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is getting praise because his Government took the decision to

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launch the national lottery which funds a heck of a lot of the

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training and getting the Olympics on the track, as it were.

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Later today, Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande

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and Matteo Renzi will discuss the future of the European Union.

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There are deep divisions across Europe as to when Britain

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should formally begin the process of leaving the EU.

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The Article 50 button has yet to be pushed, so we will keep an eye on

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those discussions today. There is a press conference later today.

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Article 50 is the process of when the UK says, OK, Europe, we are

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going, and then the clock starts ticking and we have got two years,

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is that right? Yes, two years.

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That have a quick look at the markets, Bank theme.

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The European market or slightly higher at the start of a brand-new

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business week. Everyone digesting what the vice president of the

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Central reserve had to say about the US economy.

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All of those central banking figures getting together in Jackson hole in

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Wyoming on Friday. Interface is the world's largest

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designer and maker of carpet tiles, The American firm was founded

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in 1973 in Atlanta by Ray Anderson, who recognised the need for flexible

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floor coverings Modular carpet tiles continued

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to grow in popularity and by 1978 Interface sales had reached

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$11 million, with the company In the mid-1990s, Anderson took

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the decision to completely shift the company's strategy,

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to focus on sustainability. 20 years on and that pledge

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is still going, with the firm's aim of Mission Zero pledge -

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their vision of becoming totally sustainable and ultimately

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restorative by 2020. Let's get the Inside Track

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with the current President and CEO of Interface for Europe,

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Middle East and Africa, Thank you for bringing in a carpet

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tile! We need a bit more! Before we talk about it, I want to know how

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you make this green, but before that, this is the concept that the

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founder, I think he was simply reading a book and he had that spear

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to the chest moment? It was about how his company, if you will, was

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not doing very good for the environment? No, carpet is oil

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driven, the top, the back, everything in between requires oil.

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When Anderson read a book called The Ecology Of Commerce, he realised

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what we were doing, plundering the earth's resources, was not a

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sustainable business model and he had to redirect the company to no

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longer harm the environment and stop plundering the earth's resources. 20

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years ago he had that epiphany, as it were, and he was running the

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company, which was a listed company. How do you sell that message to your

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shareholders and those who work for you, 20 years ago when it was not

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necessarily the trendy thing to do, there was not the pressure on

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companies to change their ways? Exactly, it was radical. The first

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step Interface took was to declare a war on waste, to remove any waste in

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time, material, energy, and quickly started to save money, which it

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could then reinvest into machinery and technology that would help us to

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save even more time, money and -- time, energy and material, said that

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has been the start of our sustainable path and we have been at

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it for more than 20 years, we are still a stock trading company, we

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have to show good results every quarter and we are showing that it

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is possible and that it pays. You save money, the company started

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saving money on this, putting things back into the environment. Other

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companies and leaders of other companies were watching this very

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closely, weren't they? Yes, that carpet tile that you have right bed

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now takes only 50% of the energy that it used to take to produce

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carpet tiles, 50% less energy. That is a major cost reduction,

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obviously, and the remainder of the energy uses renewable energy, in

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your report of the key manufacturing locations is run on a 100% renewable

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energy, so it is reduction of energy, saving money, but it also

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then opens up the door to more sustainable solutions. Sustainable

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solutions, other solutions that support local suppliers like

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fishermen in the Philippines, for example, but we have looked back on

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20 years ago and where you are now, but you are looking beyond that to

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the next goal? Clearly we want to bring our products, plant and

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suppliers to zero but you mentioned already it is our goal to be

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environmentally restorative but also socially inclusive. We have got

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fishermen in the Philippines gathering discarded fishing nets

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from the shoreline and beaches that are now regenerated into beautiful

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fibres that we use, for example, to produce... We are running out of

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time, but I'm looking at this and it looks like it has got black rubber

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and the fibres, how do you manufacture something like this in a

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Greenway? First of all it is based on 100% renewable energy, second to

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use recycled material or bio -based material only, and to take

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responsibility of your product after use, so we take our carpet tiles

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back after a customer is done with it and we reuse those materials. It

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is a perfect closedloop, if you will. We appreciate you come again,

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thank you so much, from the company Interface.

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A Dutch man with an American accent! Who were you supporting during the

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Olympics? It has got to be benevolent? Shame about hockey! I

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know! -- got to beat the Netherlands.

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Just to say, before we go, that island where all of the heads of

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state meeting, it is where the intellectual manifesto that led to

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European political unification was made.

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I was close! See you tomorrow.

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