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This is Business Live from BBC News with Sally Bundock and Ben Bland.

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Pressure mounts against President Dilma Rousseff at her

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impeachment trial as her opponents make their final arguments.

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Live from London, that's our top story on Wednesday

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Brazil's suspended president, Dilma Rousseff, finds out if she'll

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Also in the programme: Chaos in Mumbai as thousands

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of auto-rickshaw drivers go on strike because of lack

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of regulation covering ride-hailing app services.

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And the markets are open in trade in Europe, and they are all headed down

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slightly. We will talk you through slightly. We will talk you through

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the winners and losers. And we'll be getting

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the inside track on one company's quest to find a solution

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to the Zika epidemic. And as Indian auto-rickshaw drivers

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go on strike in Mumbai because of services like Uber,

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today we want to know: Does this mean that every method of transport

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now needs to have an app? The impeachment trial of Brazil's

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first female President, Dilma Rousseff is approaching it's

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final stage with a vote Ms Rousseff is accused of illegally

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manipulating government accounts to hide excessive

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spending by the state. Despite this, last year

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the government still ran a budget deficit -

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that's the difference between spending and tax revenue -

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worth more than 10% And the government's finances aren't

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the only the problem facing Inflation currently stands at 9%,

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double the target rate set This sustained rise in the cost

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of living has only made things worse for the 11 million people in Brazil

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without a job. He's an emerging market

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economist at the research What is the expectation about what

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is going to happen? Will she survive, or will she be removed

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permanently? It would be a huge shock if she was not removed

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permanently. We have had so many hurdles we have moved through, votes

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in the lower and upper house, and this is the final hurdle and would

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be a huge shock if she were to somehow come back from this. We

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fully expect her to be ousted. Have you seen much of a market reaction

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to the beginning of the impeachment trial? Brazilian markets have

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rallied strongly since the start of the year, they have performed well

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in the emerging world, that is to do with two things, one is the rising

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commodity prices and external factors, and the other is Dilma and.

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But even if Dilma Rousseff is impeached and there is a change of

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government, there is still a lot going on politically. There are many

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other politicians on both sides of the camp being investigated.

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Absolutely, that is one of the sticking points. There are

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implications for others in the scandal, and it is a clear risk,

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should the administration continue on to 2018. And you mention Michelle

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Tanner, the acting president, but if Dilma Rousseff is removed, he would

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stay on as president, and he might introduce austerity measures the

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public didn't vote for. He has already started to employment

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austerity drives, and the markets like that. As you mentioned, the

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budget deficit is huge, and it needs to be closed, but the electorate,

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painful austerity is never good for painful austerity is never good for

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an electorate. In the meantime, other headwinds constant, the low

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commodity prices, the price of oil historically low, so that still has

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a real issue for Brazil? Of course, the price of its exports is still

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the economy is weak and the economic the economy is weak and the economic

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recovery week. Data later is expected to show the economy still

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in recession, although things are improving. Edward Glossop, thank you

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for talking is through that. Soon as we hear the outcome of that meeting,

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we will let you know an BBC One is. Let's round up some other News for

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you now. South Korea's largest shipper

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has reportedly applied for receivership after its creditors

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decided to stop pumping in money. Hanjin Shipping had piled

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up debts of $5 billion Like many in the shipping

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industry, it's been hit hard by the slowing global economy

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and lower freight rates. So far there's been no

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comment from the company. Canada's Prime Minister Justin

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Trudeau has arrived in Beijing on a trip which was supposed to be

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about deepening Canada's Despite the fanfare,

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a disagreement over Canadian canola, or rape seed oil,

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exports to China is Google is to take on Uber

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with a new car-pooling app that will let commuters give others

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going the same way a lift. The Waze app gives traffic

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conditions and driving Since May, the firm has been

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running a pilot service which uses Waze to connect drivers

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and passengers near its If successful, Google may look to

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expand the service to other cities. The move may undercut its rivals

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as Waze charges cheaper rates. I was just thinking about this whole

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thing of hailing something with an app. You have never used Uber or

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Halo or any of the others? Know, have you?

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How do you get around? Legs! It is the healthy option. Let's get more

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on the subject. Now to Mumbai - where commuters have

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had a chaotic start to the day. More than 80,000 auto

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rickshaws are on strike. They're demanding stricter

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regulation for taxi services Divya Arya is in Mumbai

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for us this morning. There she is! What impact has this

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had? The junction behind me used to be busy everyday, full of auto

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rickshaws, but today, there is only one autorickshaw to be seen, and

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traffic is thinner. That is because, as you said, the autorickshaws are

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on strike demanding regulation of taxi services like Uber and its

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Indian equivalent, Ola. This has caused a lot of inconvenience to

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commuters, and some of those I spoke to earlier said it is ironic that

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because the autorickshaw is our on strike, we are now dependent on the

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hailing services to get to where we need to be. Mumbai residents depend

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a lot on the suburban railway system, but that doesn't come to

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that house, so to go to and from the railway station, people have become

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more and more dependent on rickshaws and taxis, and today hasn't been a

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great day for them. But from the rickshaws' perspective, the taxi

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services have meant loss of business for them, and they say that whole

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problem is with the surge pricing which enables apps based taxi

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services to drastically reduce their fares when the demand is low, making

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it may be cheaper to travel by taxi as compare to a rickshaw. The

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government is keen to talk to the trade unions and resolve this and

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reach a consensus. At the same time, it doesn't want to be seen as

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business on friendly, especially when there is new business like Uber

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now coming to India. Thank you very much, Divya, good to see you live in

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Mumbai. Looking at markets in Asia today, it is a mixed picture. Apple

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shares down just a percent following the big decision coming from the

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European Commission, we will talk about that later. Japan closing at a

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one-month high today, the yen much weaker than it has been, weaker

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since July. That boosted exports listed on the stocks. The price of

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oil still edging down slightly, it dropped 1.3% in about 30 minutes

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yesterday afternoon in rumours that Iran was going to increase its

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supply of oil, but energy stocks having a tough time still, oil

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around $48 a barrel. Let's have a look ahead to what is going on in

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the US. Michelle Fleury is therefore as. Janet Yellen said last week that

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a case for a rate rise was strengthening for the US reserve.

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Economic aid is being viewed through that lens, including the latest

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report on private employers due out on Wednesday. Payrolls processor ADP

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is likely to say that private employers hired 176,000 workers in

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August, a sign ahead of Friday's government jobs report that US

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employment is continuing to make solid gains. In other areas,

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progress in the housing market, contracts to buy previously owned

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homes are believed to have increased 0.6% in July. This is after they

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rose 0.2% in June. And in corporate news, the growth of cloud computing

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is believed to have given a boost to sales force .com's second-quarter

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earnings. The cloud software maker is expected to report a rise in

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revenue. Joining us is Tom Stevenson,

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Investment Director Good to see you. Jobs figures out

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from the US, it seems all the markets are holding their breath

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waiting. The markets are quiet, it is still the holiday lull, but they

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are looking forward to what the Fed will do in three weeks, and the

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first indication of what they might do on September the 21st will be

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provided by the payrolls on Friday, but before that, later today, ADP

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jobs figures sometimes can be a bit of a sneak preview of what they will

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look like. What do you think they will do on the 21st of September? I

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am putting you on the spot! You are, and the market is split on this. I

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think they will probably hold fire, the slower the longer rates

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environment is turning to eight lower forever rates environment, the

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Fed will find it very difficult to raise rates,. What about the

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election? I think that makes it less likely that they will move now, they

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will wait for the election to be out of the way. It is quite close to the

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election, September the 21st. Some interesting moves that will take

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effect on Monday, one house-builder out, a gold mine in, out of the FTSE

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100. Every three months, the FTSE 100 rejig is itself, and companies

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that have lost so much value they have fallen below 110th in the

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rankings for light. Berkeley homes will for light, it's shares have

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fallen 90% since Brexit despite the fact that prices have bounced back

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since Brexit, and a Russian gold mine is coming in. Very interesting,

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thank you, Tom. We will see you later and talk through some

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newspapers. Still to come, we'll hear about one

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company's attempt to find a solution to one of the world's fastest

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spreading diseases, You're with Business Live from BBC

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News. Pregnant women and new mums need

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more protection at work - that's according to a group of MPs

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who say there has been a "shocking" The Women and Equalities Committee

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is calling for the Government to act following a report published

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earlier this year which indicated that the number forced

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to leave their jobs after giving birth has almost doubled

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to 54,000 since 2005. But last year it was revealed that

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tens of thousands of women Pregnant women and new mothers now

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face more discrimination at work More than one in ten surveyed said

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they had been dismissed, made redundant, or treated so badly

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they had to leave their jobs. It was the largest survey

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of its kind, so what should be A committee of MPs have

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laid out what they think The MPs want to see a German-style

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system where pregnant women and new mums can be dismissed only

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in exceptional circumstances They also want a substantial cut

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to the cost of bringing a discrimination case

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to an employment tribunal. And they want paid time off

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for antenatal appointments for casual, agency,

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and zero-hours workers. Others believe it is more

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important to change attitudes and educate women instead

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of changing employment laws. The Government says it

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will carefully consider Lots more on that story on our

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website. Do take a look, and there are case studies as well. We have

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talked to women with various experiences when it comes to going

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back to work after pregnancy. I am trying to find the story. We have

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had a nationwide house price rise in August, excuse our system, we don't

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seem to be loading images at the moment, but it is talking about

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house prices going up 0.6% in August. The pick-up price in growth

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somewhat at odds with the size of the housing market according to the

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Nationwide's chief economist. New buyer enquiries have soft and --

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softened after the additional stamp duty on second homes. That is all on

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our website, along with other stories.

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You're watching Business Live, our top story:

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Brazil's suspended President, Dilma Rousseff, finds out if she'll

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be permanently removed from office, today.

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When we hear news on that, we will update you.

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A quick look at how markets are faring.

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Treading water today, not a significant direction in either, but

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some of the energy companies losing ground still as the price of oil

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remains softer than it has of late. Let's get the Inside Track

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on the quest to cure one of the world's

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fastest-spreading diseases. The Zika virus will cost the global

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economy $3.5 billion this year, according to the World Health

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Organization. Cambridge-based start-up Excivion

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has received ?500,000 in government funding to develop a vaccine

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for the disease. The new technology hopes to remove

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the need for cold storage and distribution of vaccines,

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allowing for stockpiling of vaccines With us is Peter Laing,

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Chief Executive of Excivion, As a start up, a small company, how

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can you compete, when it comes to developing a vaccine against zika

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when you are up against some of the giants of the pharmaceutical world?

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It is all about insight and intellectual property. If you have a

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good idea and you are able to get a granted patent on that idea and you

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can develop that as a product, you can fend off hostile takeover bids

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from larger companies and you can develop a product. The basis of the

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company is intellectual property. It's all based around having a

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vaccine against zika, which will fight off the virus but also fight

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off its close cousin, dengue, because they go hand in hand and

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help each other around the world. The reason you are particularly

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interested in zika and dainty, that is your history, the science you

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were looking into two years ago -- Dinky fever. I used to be a lecturer

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at University of Nottingham. I left in 1994 to join a company and I was

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RND director of that company and a number of other companies in the

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vaccine field. The opportunity arose to develop a Zico vaccine product. I

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had an idea of how to do it, a different idea. I filed a patent, we

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have a pending patent. What about the outbreak in Brazil, it was

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coming up to the Olympics, so much in the news, and it has pledged to

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Florida as well. Does that mean you get more interest, more funding from

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organisations? You do. It has really impressed the governments of these

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countries. And also non-governmental organisations, the world over. It's

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a grave humanitarian crisis that is giving rise to babies with

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microcephaly. Many companies are in the race to find a way to stop it.

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The unique things that Excivion has is a new way of doing that, which

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will also work against these other viruses and work against them

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working together. What if you don't win the race, though? There is room

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for multiple products in the field. If you look at other vaccines, there

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are multiple vaccines against diphtheria and so on.

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The race is on, but the race is on where people develop just a Zico

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vaccine or its cousin, -- zika vaccine or its cousin, dengue. It

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could trump these other products. How soon do you expect to have a

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vaccine out there that is marketable, affordable and being

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used? The WHO emergency will result in

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fast track approval of vaccines in the field. Vaccine typically take

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10-15 years, to develop. I think we could be on the market with a

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vaccine in about seven years. I would love to say less, but safety

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is the most important thing. A lot of vaccine development is about

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proving safety as one as efficacy. Briefly, we are running out of time,

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what's fascinating as wild as you and your wife are running this

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company. You contract in the expertise. The men and women in the

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white coats in labs are not in a building near you, they are all over

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the world. That's right. We have people working for us in India, in

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the US and in Europe and the UK. We can pick and choose the best talents

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to put together, to achieve the objectives, without having to have a

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huge infrastructure from the outset. It is a way that a lot of start-up

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companies begin. We aspire to have our own premises and our own labs

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and I have directed big labs. When will you get bored by a big Pharma

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company? I don't want to get bought by a big Pharma company. I would

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like to license the technology to a big Pharma company and develop new

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projects about a Japanese virus which you will hear about in due

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course. We will keep an eye on how things are going. Thank you. Thank

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you. In a moment, we'll take a look

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through the Business Pages but first here's a quick reminder of how

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to get in touch with us. You can stay ahead with all the

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Dave's breaking business news, we will keep you up-to-date with the

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latest details -- all of the day's. We have BBC editors around the

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world. We want to hear from you, get involved on the BBC business live

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web page. Business live, on TV and online,

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whenever you need to know. Let's take a look at some

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of the stories in the papers. Tom Stevenson from Fidelity

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Worldwide Investments Thanks very much. We've been talking

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about these a while ago, the Apple ruling, EU Apple ruling, there is a

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threat of a split in the new Irish government. What should they do in

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terms of this appeal? This is coalition government at work.

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Different sides of the coalition in Ireland have different agendas,

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here. It is quite difficult to see that they won't appeal. Not to

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appeal against this ruling would effectively be a tacit admission of

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providing illegal state aid. That is extremely unlikely. I think it would

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also be an admission that Brussels is right to interfere in national

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tax policy. Ireland is unlikely to do that because it's tax

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competitiveness is a key selling point for Ireland. We are in a

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situation where it is a race to the bottom when it comes to corporation

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tax around the world with government trying to attract the

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multinationals. That's right. Countries around the world are

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trying to attract multinationals. It's interesting to see how the UK

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will respond to this. They say we are open for business. Theresa May

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opening the Cabinet at Chequers today. I am sure this will be on the

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agenda. As we move away from the EU, over time, then our competitiveness

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and our tax competitiveness will become very important. Presumably

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even if they don't change the corporation tax rate in the UK,

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simply big multinationals, you will not get a situation that you had

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with the EU where suddenly you are hit with an unexpected tax bill.

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That will appeal very much, wouldn't it? That is why the Irish government

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is so furious about this. They have really been undermined by the EU.

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What would you want to pick? English Premier League?

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Smashes window record. I must admit, I am not surprised to hear this,

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this story comes around again and again and yet the figures go up and

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up. It seems like there are no breaks. They do go up and the window

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closes today at midnight tonight. For three months. It looks like

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about ?1 billion will be spent on transfers. Interestingly, that is

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actually less in terms of a proportion of football club's

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revenues than it was a few years ago. It is not that they are being

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irresponsible, but it is the amount of money flowing in from TV rights

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is so enormous. Who pays for it? Is it the fans? Ticket prices?

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Television rights pay for it. Subscribers to TV programmes. Let's

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talk about apps. Do you use apps to get a taxi? I have used Uber. No

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need to mention the company. Halo. , etc. We asked whether every mode of

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transport needs and apt to survive. Every business, regardless of what

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you should do, should have a nap, how can I take them seriously when

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they don't have an app? Every business needs an app? Yes,

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everybody walks around with a smartphone and that is how you

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access them. Good point. Good to see you.

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Not a bad day today, not just as warm as

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