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Stock markets have risen since President Trump's election

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on the promise of big spending to boost the economy,

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but will his struggles with Congress get in the way?

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Big falls for Samsung's shares after the South Korean giant says it

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won't make the changes some investors want after its

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And markets worldwide are once again focused on Washington and assessing

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President Trump's ability to push through reform.

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This is how the day has started in Europe -

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we'll talk you through the winners and the losers.

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Also in the programme - robots are increasingly

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taking our jobs, but will it be good for the economy?

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Our economics editor Kamal Ahmed will be here to discuss that

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Today we want to know, would you pay to tweet?

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Twitter is considering a paid membership option for businesses

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and power users - what do you think?

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Get in touch with us, we do love to hear from you.

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We start in the US, where President Trump is battling

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to deliver on one of his biggest election promises,

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and to hang on to his credibility with investors.

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Late on Thursday, Republicans were forced to delay a vote

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in the House of Representatives on scrapping and replacing

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the healthcare reforms known as Obamacare becuase they struggled

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to drum up enough support across their own party.

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Mr Trump is now trying to force a vote this afternoon,

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On Wall Street it's being seen as a key test

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The concern is if he can't deliver on scrapping Obamacare,

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his other plans for massive tax cuts and spending hikes may not get

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Let's just show you the scale of the expectation that has built up.

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$2.2 trillion has been added to the value of US shares

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since Trump was elected, in a rally of historic proportions.

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If you take a look at the Dow Jones industrial average,

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it has soared since the election in November.

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As of the start of this week, it had gone up 14%

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The financial sector has been the biggest winner -

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that's because the President has promised to review

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the strict regulations brought in after the financial crisis,

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The Dow's index of bank shares has soared 17%.

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Mike Jakeman is a Global analyst at The Economist Intelligence Unit.

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Thank you for joining us this morning. So much of this market

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growth has been delivered on a sense of expectation, hope. Is it starting

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to look like President Donald Trump cannot quite strike a deal in

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Congress the way the businessman was able to do in the commercial sector?

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Yes, you can understand the reasons the business community were

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optimistic about Donald Trump because we had a unification of the

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President with a Republican president and Republican majorities

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in both houses, it looked as if it could be a relatively smooth passage

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by legislation but that overlooks the fact that could -- -- club is

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not a traditional mainstream Republican and the party itself is

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quite ideological split. We have seen this with the help depot, there

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are moderate politicians whose constituents have been using

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Obamacare the years, they are keen to keep as much as what they have

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been using on the table as possible, then there are the right wing who

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are obviously ideological opposed to Obamacare and want the whole thing

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God. Trump is in the middle of this trying to get it through as tricky

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as he can, losing votes on one side, gaining on the other. Repealing

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Obamacare was central to his campaign for the presidency. If he

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cannot deliver on this, that will spook the market in terms of

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delivering on tax cuts, promised infrastructure spending. If you

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cannot deliver, what will that mean? I would not be too worried about

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that yet. For a start, we knew there would be problems with getting

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things through Congress because of the way the party is split, and

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health care is a divisive issue. We might

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find there is a greater sense of harmony in the party on, for

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example, tax cuts, so we will see an issue by issue struggle, some things

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will go through Congress quickly because there is unification between

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the administration and the party. Other things, issues that are really

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central to American life, will prove more divisive. We were talking in

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the Green room, you can pack a new president to a new car, as soon as

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you drive off the forecourt the value depreciate. This is his

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opportunity to act, would you expect him to have delivered more by now?

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He has been sold a hospital pass by Paul Ryan on this, health care is

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the first issue they have tackled and it is a tough start for a new

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president, an issue that has dogged American presidents back to the

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1940s, so too are expected to be sold and legislated in a couple of

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months is quite a tough line. I think we will see a better pace of

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progress in the coming months when they tackle issues that are not

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quite as difficult. Briefly, do you think it will pass today? Not

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necessarily today but in the next few weeks they will get something

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through. Thank you for your time. That is the

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focus for the markets, we will talk more about that later. Let's look at

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some of the stories. Twitter is considering adding

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a paid membership option The micro-blogging service,

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which has struggled to grow its user base in recent years,

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is carrying out surveys to "assess But it has not made any

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indication it is considering Twitter's active user

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base has plateaued, and advertising revenues,

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currently the firms only meaningful Send us your thoughts on this via

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Twitter, if you like, and we will share them with you later.

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The Chinese Premier Li Keqiang has said allies will not have to choose

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between favoring China and the United States,

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despite tensions between the two super-powers.

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He was speaking during a visit to Australia where he oversaw the

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signing of bilateral trade agreements. Australia is China's

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biggest export market. The European lender Credit Suisse

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raised bonuses by 6% in 2016, according to the company's

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latest annual report. The Swiss bank recorded a loss

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of $2.4 billion last year, but the report said that the payouts

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were necessary in The increase defies a recent

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trend towards smaller We can see that FTSE here holding

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steady, it has been open for almost 40 minutes, mentioning as we had

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lined with, analysts keeping an eye on the vote by US lawmakers on

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health care, a key test of Donald Trump's political agenda, so much

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expectation and hope built up in the markets. If he cannot get this

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through, what will that mean? It's been another tense day

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for electronics giant Samsung. It has been facing investors

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at its annual general meeting. The company's leader,

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grandson of the founder and vice-chairman Jay

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Y Lee, wasn't there. He's facing trial on charges

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of bribery and embezzlement - which he denies - in a corruption

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scandal that has seen president It would have been interesting to be

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a fly on the wall at that AGM? Yes, there was a big restructure on

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the table and for the moment they seem to have put it aside. Samsung

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group shares were down, the flagship Samsung Electronics lost the red .7%

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while other divisions lost considerably more than that. The

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restructure is not off the table entirely but seems it will not be a

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simple and straightforward process. It has been a difficult year for on

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a number of levels, there has of course been that scandal and on top

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of lets not forget the Samsung Galaxy note seven battery issue

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which of course was connected to recall because in some cases those

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batteries overheated and caught fire but you have to remember the

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sell-off is coming of record high partly due to the semiconductor

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business which has gone along quite nicely, seemingly unaffected by

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everything else that has happened Samsung this year.

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For now, Tim, thank you very much indeed.

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Let's look at the markets the world. It has been an interesting session,

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in Japan we saw gains because the yen weakened a liberal versus the

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dollar but it was not a huge amount, enough to give Japan a bit of a

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boost, it has had a torrid week this week mainly because of the weakening

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dollar and of course the markets are not sure where to head this week

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with concern that we mentioned about Donald Trump's ability to pass

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through law. Let's look at Europe trading, they

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are all a little bit flat, slight losses. We will discuss those in

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more detail in a moment. Let's look ahead to what is

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happening on Wall Street. The Mir Hussein has more.

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Financial markets here in the US are set for another day of looking

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The failure of the Republican Congress to bring its Healthcare

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Bill to a vote on Thursday didn't do wonders for the market's

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belief that the Trump administration can follow

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More delays, or a failure of the legislation, might give

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Still, investors will also have some key economic data to look at,

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and there's possibly a greater certainty of good news there.

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Orders for durable goods, those are longer-lasting

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manufactured items, are expected to have seen another

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rise in February, this time of about 1.2%.

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A closely-watched survey of sentiment among managers

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in the manufacturing sector is also expected to post a decent increase.

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Joining us is Lucy MacDonald, CIO, Global Equities

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Thank you for coming in this morning. A lot going on for the

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market, the big focus is the vote happening in the States today but we

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have had movement with oil as well, something playing on the markets.

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With oil, it has been one of the big drivers of the recovery in the

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market, so we have had the Trump rally but also a recovery in the oil

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price as well, and that has really been because of cuts agreed with

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Opec. Although those cuts have taken place, it does seem that the

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expectation that the oil price will go up has meant that the credit

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going into the shale industry in the US has kept its pumping and

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therefore you have got higher infant 's and so that is now pushing down

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on the oil price so it is going to be an interesting time for Opec to

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decide whether they need to do more cuts all give more confidence that

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the cuts will be of a longer duration. There is an Opec meeting

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this weekend so the price of oil is going to be sensitive in the run-up

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to that and probably early next week. Give us your reflection on

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this week for the markets, it has been a funny one because last week

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it was about central bank action with the Fed, meeting with many

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other central banks around the world. This week has been unusual

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with today, the big focus this afternoon, is in the United States?

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It is the first week with a 1% fall in the market on Tuesday, the first

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time for 100 days, so markets have been incredibly complacent, the fear

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index is extremely low. It is a very complicated index in its

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construction but what it is showing you is the expectations about

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volatility going forward. That has gone up a bit? No, that has gone

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low, so there is a lot of complacency in the market, so over

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the last six months we have seen spikes in this index with Brexit and

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then with the election, but it has come down to very low levels now, so

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you have a very strong market with low volatility and that suggests

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complacency, so this week having the first 1% fall in the market suggests

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it is just the first crack in that complacency, and that is why this

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vote is so important, because of the importance of the whole Trump agenda

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of progress, pro-inflation, to keep the rally going. If there is

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expectation that the tax reform in particular won't get through in

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time, that will mean this whole trade and the basis of it is

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question. OK, you will be back to do the papers at the end of the

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programme. Thank you for now. Lots more to come

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in the programme, including, are more robots good for the economy?

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Hour of every human economics editor will be here to explain all. -- our

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very human editor. You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. In the UK, providers may have

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to start compensating customers if landline

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and broadband repairs are too slow. Ofcom proposes customers getting

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refunds if broadband isn't set up on the day it was promised,

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or if an engineer doesn't turn What is the reaction to this?

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This is a consultation which will carry on until June and we will not

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get concrete proposals from Ofcom until the end of the year, but it is

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a significant move. Ofcom say around 5.6 million people every year lose

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access to their landline or broadband, and that this isn't

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rectified quickly enough. Apparently every year about 250,000

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appointments with engineers are missed, the engineer simply doesn't

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turn up, and Ofcom says that is not good enough. Also when people want

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landline or broadband installed, there are often delayed there, so it

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stays there would be an automatic entitlement to compensation, whether

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that be cash payment or reduction in Bill, and this will result in

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payment of about ?185 million per year. Incidentally it is only

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landline and broadband customers, not mobile customers because

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apparently mobile customers do get compensated quite well in most

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cases, whereas when it comes to landlines it is only in about 15% of

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cases and Ofcom says compensation is ad hoc and simply often not

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adequate. Has there been any reaction from the

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industry? I have not personally seen any but I

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suspect there will be because the industry itself has come up with

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proposals to rectify this. BT, virgin media, they have come

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together and put out proposals but Ofcom says they don't go far enough

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so it is back to the drawing board for them.

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OK, thank you. Lots of other stories online, as

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ever we can't fit them all. Portsmouth and Exeter's new boss to

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hold takeover talks. This is chief executive Michael Eisner. They are

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holding exclusive takeover talks according to BBC Business. Trying to

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think of appropriate Disney movie titles! Bank branches inevitably in

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the firing line as banks go more digital. The high-street bank or

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branch as it work could become a thing of the past. Read about it

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online. Our top story, as President Trump struggles to get health care

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reforms through US Congress, concerns grow amongst investors

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about he will be able to deliver the economic boost he promised. Now,

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let's have a quick look at the markets. They are pretty flat, to be

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honest. I would imagine as we get news out of the United States about

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the vote in Congress on Obamacare or the affordable health care act as

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it's officially known, will see some movement. Having said that these

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markets in Europe may be closed by then but we will keep you

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up-to-date. The UK's PM Theresa May

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is to trigger Article 50 next Wednesday, officially notifying

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the European Union And jobs will change rather

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than disappear over the next decade as robots are increasingly used

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in the world of work. A couple of interesting reports are

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out on that this week as well. Let's discuss all of this with our

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economics editor Kamal Ahmed. Good morning. Let's talk some big

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figures. I think it is a moment to take stock to an extent. This

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weekend in Italy sees the marking of the 60th anniversary of the birth of

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what was the European economic commission. And to say at this

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moment, it has achieved a huge amount. We sometimes forget this was

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to stop War, which was successful. It integrated after the fall of the

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Berlin Wall, after the fall of communism across Eastern Europe. It

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launched a single currency relatively successfully. Any people

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believe. We've got to a stage where there is this new fracture. Britain

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is about to trigger Article 50 to leave the European Union, and both

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the finance minister of Germany and Jean-Claude Juncker have spoken

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about what the rest of Europe will look like. John Claude Inker spoke

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to our editor and had this to say -- John Claude Yunker.

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We will be sad, as I was sad when the referendum

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I'm everything but in a hostile mood, when it comes to Britain.

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We'll negotiate in a frank way, in a fair way, and are not naive.

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There he is saying it's not about punishment, slight softening of the

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language of the negotiations start. Also making clear we aren't naive.

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The European Union 27 that are left in the European Union want to ensure

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that whatever the dealers, and it should be a reasonable one they

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think, it can't be better than being in the European Union. I think

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that's going to be where the tension is. Much does Britain have to pay in

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to be part of any European Union structures, to retain access to the

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single market. That will be where the real battles are. Something else

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you been writing about this week is robots. The possibility of

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artificial intelligence meaning that many jobs as we know them now will

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be not done by humans. Two interesting reports, one from

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Germany and one from the UK on our future work. If you think about the

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big trends coming in Western developed economies particularly but

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also other emerging economies, it is the use of artificial intelligence

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and robots. The German study makes an interesting point. The two groups

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of workers who are somewhat protected from the AI revolution are

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high skilled, human facing tight jobs like health care for example,

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and lower skilled what it describes as dextrous jobs. Where human

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ability to work in teams is very important. The ones at risk are what

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you might describe as the middle management, data processing, middle

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of type jobs. Those are the jobs that will disappear. The UK study

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says up to 30% of all jobs can be done by robots or artificial

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intelligence within the next decade. But it does say that will increase

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productivity and increased economic wealth. And also there will be a

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whole new set of jobs around technology and the type of work you

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do, which means these jobs aren't simply lost from the system, but

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just like we found with the industrial Revolution when everyone

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said everyone is going to stop farming, actually we replace those

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jobs with high manufacturing level jobs in cities. That's what they

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always promised, there's a whole new range of jobs coming. It does tend

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to happen. Economies are actually very good at creating work. If we

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look at the levels of work in the UK at the moment, it's incredibly high.

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Employment levels in the UK are almost at a record. Economies are

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very good at replacing older jobs with new types of jobs. Thank you.

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Stay in your human form, please! I could be a robot, who knows! I can

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confirm he is not! LAUGHTER Now, many of you who are watching

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in the UK may be aware that It's a chance to raise money

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for charities that help people here in the UK and across Africa

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by doing something funny. Since its launch in 1988,

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it's raised hundreds So to raise more I persuaded one

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of our regular guests, economist Jeremy Cook,

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to part with his beard. There you go, that's

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the halfway mark. And thank you everybody

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for donating to Red Nose Day. It took years of him! It did. He's

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had that beard for eight years. So far online he's raised, through that

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very brave act, ?1642. I'm going to tweet the sponsorship link if you

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want to boost it. Lucy has joined us to discuss some of the paper

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stories. We mentioned Twitter may be considering paired membership. --

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paid membership. One viewer says more pay walls coming to the web,

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and other way the companies to make dollars. Another viewer says, I

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would take down my account if this happened. Lucy, are you a fan of

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twitter? I read it but I don't tweet. There are people and

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organisations that it's worth keeping track of, isn't it? Some of

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them are very prolific in terms of making venues known. Yes. As far as

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the pay model is concerned, I think it's quite difficult to go from free

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to paid. You could try a premium model like Spotify has where you

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start free and then you start paying a little, and then you have a bit

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more flexibility about it. If you just start trying to charge people

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things, people will switch off and try something else. Also in the news

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is the French elections. The latest bit of information you can see that

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the defence Minister is defecting from the left to join the

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independent candidate Emmanuel Macron. It would seem Emmanuel

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Macron is getting more momentum by the day. This is a big story for

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markets right across Europe, this risk. It is, and there is a huge

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focus on how populism is doing across Europe and in France in

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particular. We are just coming up to April and May. It is looking closer

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now. A neck and neck between Marine Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron,

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certainly in the first round. Then in the second we don't know what

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will happen. But it does look much closer. Therefore, less concern as

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far as markets are concerned. You can see that partly in the way the

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European markets are beginning to perform better, as that populism

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fear is receding. Lucy McDonald, thank you for joining us.

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I think our guests will be nervous now I've been shaving off beards!

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See goodbye.

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