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Raking in the billions. Here's the question, can the likes of Google

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and Amazon keep on growing. Google finds it way with mobile ads

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and Amazon delivers its majestic numbers but are these billion-dollar

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companies to big? South Korean shares sink as President Trump says

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he will renegotiate the trade deal with career. The markets are holding

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steady, watching and waiting for key economic figures and GDP due from

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the UK, France and the states. And would you trust

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an app to be your doctor? We'll be getting the inside track

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on all the big technology stories of the week with our very

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own Rory Cellan-Jones who will also steer us

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through the world of flying cars. Ebook sales in the UK have

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fallen 17% as readers bring back the book -

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do you tap or turn? We start in Silicon Valley

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where three of the biggest names in technology have been

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reporting their numbers We are talking about the Tech Titans

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- Google, Amazon and Microsoft. And it seems they are just

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getting bigger and bigger. The numbers are jaw

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dropping, take a look. But it's still managing

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to grow very fast. Google's parent company Alphabet saw

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revenues jump by almost Remember this is just

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3mths worth of sales. It's one of the world's

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biggest retailers - it dominates online shopping -

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and still saw sales grow over 22% to almost $36 billion

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for the three months to March. Three quarters of a billion

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of that was profit. Amazon has been growing sales

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in double-digits for 20 years! Microsoft too is

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raking in huge sales. Many people wrote it off as a victim

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of the decline in PC's and the rise But it's become a leader

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in cloud computing. It made revenues of over $23

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billion, although they were only up 6% and that was less

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than Wall Street was expecting. Cyrus Mewawalla is Managing Director

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of the global technology research Always good to see you, thanks for

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coming in. You know that question, let's use Google and Amazon as an

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example, are they to big, too dominant? They have produced a very

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big good product and not a lot of competitors out there, it's not

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their fault, is it? Absolutely. There is article in the Financial

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Times about anti-trust concerns as well. Microsoft already have that,

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they had to take away Microsoft from" Windows. Amazon has two

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businesses. The real issue is government tax regulation needs to

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be performed because high street retailers pay too much tax and

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Amazon, which sells digital goods can avoid tax. On the cloud business

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of Amazon, there's no issue because Amazon invented the cloud. It was an

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internal product. Sorry to interrupt, Amazon makes most of its

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money... From the cloud. We talk about Microsoft and Rachel explained

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that we used to think Microsoft has gone now because nobody is buying

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PCs but it got into the cloud, why are they making so much money from

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cloud and why is cloud important? Why is cloud imported? Everything we

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do is software, that is leading the world and software is moving from

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the desktop to the cloud. Not only your desktop but the BBC's

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computers, they used to be in-house, now they are moving to the cloud.

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Every company is doing the same thing, why? It's better for users

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because it's cheaper, it is better for app developers, because it is

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easier to roll out apps. Once you have a cyber security patch, put it

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on the cloud and it is immediately rolled out of the world, you don't

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have to download and install. That is why cloud is happening, cost

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savings. But why is it important? If you look at Amazon, it is the

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leading cloud infrastructure, Microsoft is number two, Google is

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number three and IBM is four. The cloud has three levels,

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infrastructure as a service, which are the servers in data centres,

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platform as a service, which are things like an operating system or

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Mac sales force and software as a service. Things like office 365,

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Microsoft Word and someone. Infrastructure as a service is the

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most important bit of the cloud. That is like the operating system

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for the next internet TV, the debt of things, artificial intelligence.

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They all sit on cloud infrastructure and Amazon has a 40% market share --

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intelligence. It is quite notable intelligence. It is quite notable

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that where Amazon made revenues of ?36 billion, only three quarters of

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a billion was profit, where is the rest of the money going? If you look

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at the top five tech chance, then at the top five tech chance, then

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margins, operating margins are about 30% but Amazon's is about 3% at

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operating level. That is because Amazon has a completely different

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philosophy. It invests in a 10-year cycle. Most listed companies invest

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on a three-year quarterly cycle. In a nutshell. Have a great weekend, we

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always appreciate your time. Let's take a look at some

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of the other stories Barclays Bank says it

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doubled it's pre-tax profit in the first three months of this

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year as it put some big costs It's also coming towards the end

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a of major restructure which means it faces a big one off charge

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on it's African business which it intends to sell

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in the next two to three years. Chief Executive Jes staley

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says he's optimistic Staying with UK banks,

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the troubled Royal Bank of Scotland made a profit of $334 million

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in the first three months of 2017. It's the first quarterly profit

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the bank has made since 2015. RBS is majority-owned by the UK

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government after being bailed out It is really the UK taxpayer who

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owns them. It said its cost-cutting plan

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was ahead of schedule, and that it had already made more

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than a third of the $968m worth of savings it's

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targeting for this year. Starbucks shares were down some 5%

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in late trading after the US based coffee chain cut its full year

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profit target after it's sales It's a tough start in the job

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for Kevin Johnson, who succeeded The company has pledged

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to return to the rapid growth it once enjoyed -

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but has been struggling The Kentucky doctor dragged off

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a United Airlines flight from Chicago earlier this month has

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received a financial Lawyers for Dr David Dao, 69,

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say a condition of the payout is that the "amount remain

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confidential". Dr Dao was violently removed

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by airline law enforcement officers after refusing to give up his seat

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to United staff. I want to know... If United is

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watching, we really want to know! Everybody around the world is dying

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to know, how much that man God, millions, Sean Lee! How much PR

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disaster can cost a company -- how much that man got, millions, surely.

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President Trump has been telling Reuters news agency he will either

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renegotiate or terminate what he called the United States'

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"horrible" free trade deal with South Korea.

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He also says Seoul should pay for a US anti-missile system

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What has the reaction been about potentially renegotiating this trade

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deal? In hard numbers, the Korean one is stand-by 0.7% and the markets

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are down slightly, stock markets -- the Korean currency is down by.

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Politically it isn't playing well, particularly that suggestion that

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South Korea should pay for the anti-missile system. But there is a

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bit of scepticism here. A Foreign Ministry official told Reuters that

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the difference between words and policy is often great. Let's wait to

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see how this thing plays out. Look at the change of policy from the

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Trump administration on Nafta for example and on China being a

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currency manipulator. There's not a feeling in this country that Mr

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Trump's are absolutely set in stone. And the deal goes like that. Steve

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Evans, thank you for your time. Asian stocks slipping overnight -

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investors selling to Loads of economic figures out

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today that the markets Keep an eye on the Dow

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with first-quarter GDP figures And in Europe we also have first

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quarter GDP for the UK and France and Euro-zone inflation

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figures for April, Let's go to Samira

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Hussain on Wall Street. How much has America's economy grown

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in the last three months? We will find out later on Friday when the

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commerce Department releases the latest GDP figures. The expectation

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is that the in gross domestic product will have dropped almost by

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a full percentage, compared to the previous quarter. President Trump

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campaigned on a promise to bring growth up to 3% and that the newly

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released tax proposal will help spur robust growth. Earnings continue on

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Friday. Exxon Mobile will be reporting. Cost-cutting measures

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will likely have boosted profits for the world's largest publicly traded

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while producer. Finally, the used car company Carvana will start

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trading on the New York Stock Exchange. This company allows

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customers to pick up cars they buy on the internet from vending machine

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like towers. Let's stay with the markets.

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Joining us is Tom Stevenson, Investment Director

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A familiar face, good too happy with as always. Tomorrow marks the 100th

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day of President Trump. Since he has been president of the United States.

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There are some stories around the French paper, Le Figaro about his

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first 100"chaotic" days. They are talking about the US economy, the

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job numbers. But I say credit where credit is due. Business and consumer

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confidence in the US is up from Trump and so has the stock market,

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it has rallied, isn't that the Trump effect? I think you're right, when

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Trump was elected, there was a lot of positive optimism from the

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markets about what he might deliver. The evidence for the first hundred

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days is a bit mixed. Napoleon said bring me lucky generals and I think

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Trump was lucky because a lot of the good news was already baked in. The

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improvement in the American economy was already there and he has written

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on the coat-tails of that. The two issues for me, really, delivery, can

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he get through the measures he wants through Congress? We saw the tax

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reforms this week. It's going to be hard. Frankly, they were very

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sketchy and how is he going to pay for them? How will he persuade

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Congress that is the right thing to do? Secondly, his flip-flopping,

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changing his mind. And after this we, the North American Free Trade

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Agreement, he was going to renegotiate that, cancel it, now he

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is not -- this week. China, currency manipulator, no, they're not. The

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verdict is pretty mixed. Monday is the 1st of May. Looking ahead to the

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summer, there's an old stock market adage, which you had to tell me,

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will sell in May, go away, don't come back until... Saint Leger day,

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the horse race in September. The summer is a bad time to be in the

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stock market. There is some evidence that that is the case. On average,

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the stock market does perform better in the winter months, no one really

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knows why. The trouble is, for an adage to be useful to investors it

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has got to be predictable. This one is not predictable. We did some

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research at this, we looked at the last 20 years and we found ten times

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the market rose in the summer, ten times it fell in the summer! It's a

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bit of fun but as an investor, does it help you, probably not. We need

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to wrap it up. Are we expecting good numbers, the UK and US economy? GDP?

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The underlying story is pretty good. You will take us through some of the

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paper stories? Yes. And about the books. Do you read or do you tap?

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Turn your tap! No laughing at you either!

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Our Technology Correspondent, Rory Cellan-Jones, will chart a path

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through all the big tech stories of the week.

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You're with Business Live from BBC News.

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Later this morning, we'll get official figures on how the UK

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economy grew in the first three months of the year.

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GDP increased by 0.7% in the last three months of 2016.

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But Britain's economy is expected to have cooled considerably

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in the first three months of this year.

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Ben Thompson is at a cash and carry in the Midlands to find out how

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the economy is affecting the business and its customers.

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We're here at East end foods. It is a cash and carry selling too big and

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small firms. It also manufactures and sells some of its products

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around the world and imports raw materials as well. It is the perfect

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sample of business facing up to uncertainty as far as the economy is

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concerned. Google get the latest economic growth figures later this

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morning. Let's discuss them. -- we will get. Good morning. Let me start

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with you, Jason. We talk about uncertainty. As far as the economy

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is concerned, it is very uncertain at the moment. What does that mean

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for you? Last years since the referendum vote we have seen the

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currency situation affecting the business with devaluation of

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sterling. We net imports. We process and manufacture here in the UK.

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Those costs are difficult to pass on to our customers and the consumer.

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There is a feeling that if you are an importer, you're also an

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exporter. One does better and wonders worse. It is not so simple,

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is it? Absolutely. It depends on the business in question. If you are an

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exporter it is better but as an importer things have got more

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expensive. Overall, there is still a lot of positivity around the economy

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and many companies predicting gross. And key very much. We will get the

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growth figures at 9:30am. Expected to show a .4% growth. A rise in

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inflation and a slowdown in wages. The latest retail figures were also

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down pretty sharply. Uncertain times ahead for many businesses.

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Our top story: big profits surging for the four big tech giants. Big

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increases. They just keep getting bigger and bigger those companies.

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Some breaking news. Six people have been arrested in connection with the

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anti-terrorist operation that happened in Willesden where one

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woman was shot and injured by armed police. The Deputy Assistant

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Commissioner announced that this morning. This follows an arrest

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yesterday of a 27-year-old man who was arrested near the Houses of

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Parliament as part of an intelligence led operation. As we

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were saying that six people have been arrested. More throughout the

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day on the website and the news channels.

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Would you like to fly around in your car?

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This week, Uber said it plans to test flying cars by 2020.

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The rise of artificial intelligence - the latest example is an app that

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will be better at medical diagnosis than a human doctor.

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At least that's what its developers claim.

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Rory is here. I have a feeling about why this is all happening for the

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Peter Teal said something a few years back. He said we were promised

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flying cars and ended up with 140 characters, ie Twitter. Keywords

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making the point we have had these exciting visions and it has all been

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mundane. We have not had these gadgets. Lots of people across

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silicon Valley suddenly trying to build flying cars. I think it is a

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fantasy. It is about investing in self driving cars. There have been a

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few hiccups along the way. It is trying to show it is as expansive

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and ambitious as Google. It has a plan and is collaborating with

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aviation companies. Says they will be there in 2020 in Dubai. It is an

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incredibly ambitious place. I am a complete sceptic about this. The

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idea that you will have the infrastructure there to have these

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take-off and landing electric vehicles which have not been built

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yet, by 2020... Can we run the footage of the Kitty Hawk? This is

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Larry Page, the founder of Google. He has a separate little business is

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doing this. They put out an advert for it this week. Someone rings up

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and says, I will pop over in two minutes. That is pretty cool. Of

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course it is. The idea that we will all be popping in to work on one of

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these flying votes, flying cars, in the next few years. In the next few

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years, maybe not. We were promised them in the 50s, maybe not. Let's

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talk about artificial intelligence. In a way, it kind of makes sense.

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All that information stored in one hub. There is a big report out on

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machine learning, a subset of artificial intelligence. Google's

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results, they placed huge emphasis on how expert they were at machine

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leading. A small health care companies says, all of this depends

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on data. All these companies having access to vast amounts of data.

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Great programmes. You do not tell the computer what to do, you tell

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the computer to learn what to do. In this case, the computer is learning

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from previous medical consultations effectively to be a doctor. Very

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powerful technology we see popping up in allsorts of places with

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instant translation. Every time you talk to your phone and recognise --

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it recognises your voice, that is machine learning. A new Wiki? The

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founder is trying to launch a new platform which is anti-fake news. It

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is basically a crowdfunding operation. It is laudable, it is

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great. So far they have funded four journalists. This is not going to

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change the world in a hurry. Have you got any plans for the weekend? I

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will pop into my flying car. Then go to see the doctor. You do that.

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Always a pleasure. And you can hear a lot more

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about flying cars with Rory on his Tech Tent programme on BBC

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World Service radio at 14:00 GMT And if you miss it you can download

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the podcast via the BBC website. A great plug! He has a pod cast. And

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this is how you get in touch with us. We will keep you up to date on

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the business live page. We want to hear from you. Get involved on the

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BBC business live web page. You can find us on Twitter and Facebook.

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That is on TV and online whenever you need to know.

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Read out some tweets for us. We have had tweets about ebooks. Nancy has

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said, ebooks all the way. You cannot pack enough real books for a

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holiday. Also tweets saying it is all about the audio book. I have got

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an e-reader that I can never remember the name of the book I am

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reading. I know it is a really good book. I don't know what it is

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called. What do you do? Does not say a lot about you at commissioner only

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joking. We spend so much of our lives looking at screens. The thing

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about ebooks, you can load so many different books how many books can

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you read at one time? One. I do not really see the point in this. I

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personally prefer the books as well, especially if it gets wet! The

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Aussie supermarket food rescue group. Explain. They have recognised

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the fact that the third of all the food in the world goes to waste.

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That is a disgraceful figure, when you think about it. Who is to blame

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for this? In a large part, restaurants and supermarkets. Why do

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restaurants waste -- supermarkets waste so much food question that

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they have sell by dates. You take this food and, for a certain number

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of hours a day, they are saying, come and get it. I think it is a

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fantastic initiative. Have a great weekend. Thank you for coming on.

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That is it for today. We'll be back next week.

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Good morning. The bank holiday weather forecast is on the way. Just

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the chance of some rain. It may well come from this cloud waiting

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