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This is Business Live from BBC News with Jamie Robertson and Ben Bland.

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Can the other G7 leaders keep the US President on side over

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Live from London, that's our top story on Friday 26th May.

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The US President has withdrawn from the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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and he's also attempting to renegotiate NAFTA.

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We'll ask an expert whether a new era of protectionism

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Canada's trade minister tells us why he's optimistic on the future

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And it's been a big week for crude - the world's oil-producing

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countries agree a deal to extend production cuts.

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Markets have been heading downwards on the last few days. The FTSE just

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starting up a little bit. We'll take a look at what this means

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for prices at the pump. And following the vice

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like grip of the handshake between Presidents Trump and Macron,

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we're getting to grips with the perfect greeting

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and asking how important Yesterday it was NATO,

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today it's the G7. A different place, Sicily this time,

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a different combination of world Let's take a look at

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why it's important. These seven countries account

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for getting on for half But many of them are struggling with

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comparatively stagnant economies. The International Monetary Fund

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is forecasting the world's economy will grow by 3.5% this year,

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but just 1.9% in the G7. Also high on the list of worries -

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the rise of trade protectionism after President Trump came to power

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promising to put "America First". The other G7 members will be

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pushing him to soften this position. Then there's the environment -

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the future of the 2015 Paris President Trump has threatened

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to pull the US out of the deal. His fellow G7 leaders

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will try to convince him otherwise. The hosts, Italy, are at

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the forefront of the migrant crisis. They will be pushing plans

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to strengthen Africa's economies - to try and cut the number

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of migrants leaving - and to promote food security

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for developing countries. Geoffrey Yu, head of

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Investment Office UK at UBS at UBS Wealth Management,

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is with me. Plenty on the agenda, what do you

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think will be the main priorities that they will be focusing on first?

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Probably trade and where Donald Trump stands, is he going to follow

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up with certain threats made during the election campaign to basically

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through protection arisen -- protectionism around the US,

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particularly with what happened with the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and

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this could be a very interesting dialogue. What about Teater, the

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American European agreement? Donald Trump of the nail in that coughing,

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is there any chance of it coming back? -- what about TTIP. At this

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point it would really be quite a U-turn, after moving away from the

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TTIP to embrace a new partnership. But they will try to convince him

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otherwise of the benefits and the business lobby in the US will be

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pushing for something as well. Climate is a big issue, there is the

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Paris agreement that Trump has threatened to pull the US out of, is

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that realistic or just his starting position for negotiations to try and

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make it more favourable to the US? I would say it is a starting position,

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there are ways to preserve the framework or domestically targeting

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certain industries that may struggle a bit with this agreement, so trying

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to provide benefits for injections around those, but he has a domestic

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audience and he is going to play to that. He rode to power almost on the

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coal industry, those old rust belt industries. That is very important

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for him as part of his core constituency. Having said that, he

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is not going to lose that constituency but he needs to show

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after the bad news domestically of late, he needs to deliver some

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results. The other interesting aspect is what they are going to do

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to help African economies. The host, Italy, is at the forefront of the

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migrant crisis, people coming to their shores in the hope of a better

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life. What realistically can they do to help support Africa's economies

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and reduce the need for people to leave? The most important thing is

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to not apply a broad brush to all North African economies at this

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point, there are differences between Morocco, Libya is the issue right

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now, former colonial power, they need to make sure there is stability

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from the failed state and with the tragic events in Manchester that has

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come to the forefront as well so that should be the starting point,

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combat institutional structures, failures and make sure terrorism is

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contained. Jeffri, many thanks.

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Let's cross to Canada, where -- to Singapore, where Canada's Trade

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Minister is on a visit. Donald Trump talked about the trade

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deal, he said it was a disaster costing millions of American jobs.

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He has talked about withdrawing from it completely if he cannot get

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better deals with Canada and Mexico. So Canada has been looking further

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afield, to Asia, in fact, to sign some new deals. This week the

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Canadian Trade Minister has been touring Asia, Vietnam, Singapore,

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South Korea and Japan. We spoke to him today and he told us that Nafta

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has been extremely beneficial, not just for Canada but for the US as

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well. This agreement has provided millions of good middle-class jobs

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on the boat side, 9 million jobs in the US depend on Canada but what

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makes it different is the relationship is unique, because we

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don't sell to each other, we make things together. Look at a car, for

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example, a typical car would often cross the border seven times before

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reaching the consumer so this agreement has been good, provided

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millions of middle-class jobs, and by the way this has been done two

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decades ago, it has been amended 11 times already so obviously we are

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proactive, we are confident, we will put things on the table, the US will

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do so, and it has to be in the interest of all three parties.

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The Canadian Trade Minister speaking to the BBC a little earlier today,

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trade is a major theme for Asia with Donald Trump having pulled out of

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the TPP, as you were saying earlier, lots of countries in this part of

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the world are looking for new partners in the wake of that

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withdrawal and are looking to redraw the trade map, so one to watch for

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years to come. Thank you very much indeed.

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Let's have a quick look at the market, the McKay down a touch,

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three quarters of a percent, the Dow ended yesterday at an all-time high,

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Surrey, the Dow a little bit of the all-time high. The European markets

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have just started, not a huge amount of movement but all down and key to

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that is the oil price, we will be talking about that in a second.

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Samira Hussain has the details about what's ahead on Wall Street today.

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It's the Friday before a long weekend in the United States.

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Monday is Memorial Day and a federal holiday which means US

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It is also the unofficial kick-off to the summer,

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but before we fire up the barbecues, some economic news to get through.

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The second reading of the US GDP, the gross domestic product growth,

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in the first quarter is expected to be revised up 0.9%

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Also happening on Friday, the Commerce Department will release

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durable goods data which is likely to have dropped 1.2% in April.

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Finally, the University of Michigan's survey of consumers

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releases its final May consumer sentiment index.

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This is important given two thirds of the US economy depends

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The more confident Americans feel, the more they will spend.

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Joining us is Mike Amey, managing director and

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Good to see you. The oil price down sharply, is there a sense among

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investors that oil producing companies did the bare minimum of

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what was expected and no more? Exactly, coming into the meeting

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there was an expectation we would cease production cuts, guided that

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way by the Saudis and the Russians, and really what they did was exactly

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what they said they would do. I think there was a little bit of hope

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and expectation that maybe you would get more than just the Saudis and

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the Russians, so a few more oil-producing would join the

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production cuts, that not happen, they did what they said they would

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do but the markets got ahead of themselves and we saw on the day a

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big move, 5% down is a big day limu. I have this picture in my mind of

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the Saudis, the Russians, Opec, trying to cut production is the

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price goes up, and the Americans on the other hand throwing oil in as

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fast as they can from the shale oil producers, trying to make as much

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money as possible and push the price down. There is an element of truth

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to that. Saudi and Russia, Government revenues are so dependent

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on oil revenues, they want to keep prices as high as possible.

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Unfortunately other producers over in the States, where the cost of

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production is around these kinds of metals, so unfortunately it is hard

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to get the price much above this because then you get this big supply

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from the US, so you have these two competing forces, which is why daily

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moves can be quite big but in the long-term the oil price looks like

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it'll be pretty stable, inbred towns around $50 a barrel. At the pump,

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which is what a lot of people care about, we would expect prices to be

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stable for the next year or two. The US markets DD again, the SNP and the

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Nasdaq both at record highs. What is going? The move is seen to be quite

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sharp at the moment. It is impressive, you get this impressive

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regular stock markets, most of them up 10% this year, we are only in

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May, and you get this continued rise. We get bouts of uncertainty

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but broadly speaking most economies are doing well, unemployment rates

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are coming down, earnings are holding well and if earnings hold

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well when people look for places to put their money, deposit rates are

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low, they look elsewhere and that is why the stock market is doing well.

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From your point of view, I would have thought the states are a bit

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risky at the moment? We have a preference for European stocks

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because the European stock market economy is a couple of years behind

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the US on the recovery so we would agree that the US looks like it is

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ahead of the cycle... And too expensive, do you think? We would

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say fair to a little bit expensive. Thank you, you will be back to talk

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through some of the paper stories with us.

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Stay with us on Business Live. We'll get the Inside Track on this

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week's big economic stories. It's been an important week

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for Greece and China - You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. House prices in London are predicted

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to fall in real terms across 2017 - marking the first time this has

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happened since 2011. Hometrack's latest report shows

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annual house price growth in London is already running at less

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than a third of the levels Theo Leggett has more

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from the Business newsroom. This is a survey of house prices in

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cities up and down the UK, exclusively cities, and it seems

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there is a north-south divide, or rather it comes in at the Midlands,

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because if you look at the southern cities, growing very rapidly in

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terms of house prices over the last few years, not just London but

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Bristol, Oxford, places like that, the rate of growth has gone down

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quite significantly from double figures to single figures, as you

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said in London we are looking at house price growth falling below the

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rate of inflation and therefore real terms falls for the first time since

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2011. But if you go to the Midlands,

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Birmingham and beyond, you see pretty big increases. In Manchester,

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house price growth last year was about 6.3%, it is now 8.4%.

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Leicester, Nottingham, Birmingham, also Edinburgh, all of the city

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showing an increase in price growth and the

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reason is that in the southern cities where growth has been strong

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up to now, there is an affordability problem, people are being priced out

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of the market. There is also a question of investors becoming less

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keen on buy to let property because of changes to the stamp duty regime,

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so you have this real difference between London, the Home Counties,

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the South of England, and the rest of the United Kingdom.

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OK, thank you very much indeed for that.

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Let's see what is on the Business Live page. The biggest UK tech

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flotation for two years, a British software developer valued at nearly

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?1 billion, which would make it the biggest UK tech firm. It is called

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Alfa Financial Software. Software for the financial industry, I don't

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quite understand it! This is quite a good job, professor

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of play, sponsored by Lego, Paul Brown John Downey.

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A ?4 million grant to help fund that.

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It pays for a lot of Lego bricks! You are watching business life.

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Greece failed to secure to unable to get an extra in Stormont for its

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bailout. Our economics correspondent Andrew Walker joins us now. We have

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been here before. We may well be here again. Yet again we have a

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Greek debt repayment deadline looming, money owed to investors and

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the European Central Bank coming in July and Greece needs the next

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bailout payment which has been delayed for many months in order to

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meet that debt obligation. We have been there before as well. On one

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occasion Greece missed a payment deadline to the International

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Monetary Fund by a short time. But what has been happening is Greece

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has now made reform commitments to satisfy the rest of the eurozone.

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They have also got the commendation of the International Monetary Fund,

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but some of the rest of the eurozone who would be making this payment

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indirectly through a eurozone agency, particularly Germany, wants

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to see the IMF sign off on the programme is being credible and the

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IMF is not prepared to do that. It thinks the projections for the Greek

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government finances and economic growth are not credible, they are

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too optimistic. They also think Greece needs some commitment to debt

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relief. There have been some narrowing of differences. There is a

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chance they will sign it of in mid-June when they meet, but they

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are not there yet. Regardless of all the details, a former Treasury

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Secretary says it does not make sense, there is a big hole in it.

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What is going on is the Donald Trump Administration has come up with a

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budget that includes proposals for cutting taxes and a central part of

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their economic strategy is the idea that tax cuts and deregulation will

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stimulate stronger economic growth, give incentives to businesses to

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invest, people to work more, and also the idea is that by cutting tax

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rates you eliminate or reduce the incentive to avoid taxes. So they

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are saying that the stronger economic growth will both offset the

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tax cuts by generating a larger taxpayers, but they also say it will

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help them close the budget deficit completely and eliminated by the end

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of a 10-year period. You can do one but not the other. That is what

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Larry Summers has suggested, but the Trump administration rejects this.

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But a whole load of people are joining in on the criticism. Another

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point critics have made is the assumption is in these budget

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projections is the US economy will grow at 3% per year over this

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10-year period. Many regard that as unrealistic. Yes, the US has done

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that in the past but productivity growth has been slow recently and

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the population is ageing, so a lot of people will be retiring and not

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generating that economic growth. One of the other big stories, Moody 's,

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the ratings agency downgrading China for the first time in almost 30

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years. It is worth emphasising the credit rating is still comfortably

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in investment-grade territory. We are talking nothing like a

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downgraded to junk status, but it is still striking. It reflects a

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slowdown in economic growth in China which we have talked about a lot in

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the last few years, plus Moody's assessment of the way in which China

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is responding to it. China wants to make this slowdown carefully managed

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and not too sharp. There has been quite a lot of stimulus coming from

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the Chinese government to ensure that is the case. Because Moody's

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have concerns, they are more likely to put the burden of any stimulus on

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fiscal policy, so more government borrowing and concerns about

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increasing debt amongst some of the state-owned enterprises and local

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government which makes them think the debt situation combined with

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slower economic growth means it is not as strong as it was. Is it a

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real problem, debt? Not an immediate problem but across the economy as a

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whole. We are talking about 30-50% of GDP, which compared to Greece is

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very small! But there is household debt, local government and state

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owned enterprises, all of these add up to the burden which is quite

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large for a country at that stage of economic development, but not an

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immediate catastrophe. Andrew, thank you very much. A quick reminder of

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how to get in touch with us. The business live page is where you can

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Get involved on the BBC business live web page. We are also on

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Twitter and Facebook. Business live on TV and online, whenever you need

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to know. Let's see what other

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stories are being talked We were talking about the handshake

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between the two presidents. It was a battle of the grips, rather than a

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greeting. Quite vice like. How important is the handshake? Is it

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still important? I think it is. Unfortunately these two people have

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not met each other before and the first time they do it is in front of

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the world's cameras and they have both got a point to make. Who won

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it? The bookies' conclusion is that Emmanuel Macron might have just got

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this one. It will be interesting next time and every time they meet

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because people will be looking to see what happens. I think now, yes,

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absolutely, the next few times they meet that is what we will look for.

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There are videos of Donald Trump's embarrassing handshakes and there

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are a whole mass of them. He wants to make a point. Presentation is

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very important to him and one of the ways you try and get an early score

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is this. It is testosterone. That was our Twitter question, how

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important is handshake? James says, it is a file one. Ryan says for some

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reason people do not give a firm handshake back. He is wondering what

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is going on. It was a bit aggressive. Thank you

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for those tweets. What else was in the papers? We were talking about

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the World Bank and this is interesting. It is about clarity of

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language and keeping things nice and simple. One of their economists has

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been attacked for saying that he wants a limit on the number of the

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word and in a report. Izzy on to something or is he being pedantic? I

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think he is. If you have been lucky to see one of these reports, and the

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IMF and the World Bank produce dense documents, and his point is can we

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get the punch line out early and tighten up the language?

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They need journalists. We do not tend to go on at length and may

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question is longer than they need to be and carry on and go on and on. I

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labour the point, but there you go. We are all guilty of this, but it is

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that aim for brevity. He says he wants to reduce the

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number of ands down to 2.6%. You can get carried away with the statistics

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which economists do. But he has got a fair point because these reporters

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are dense and quite long and if you have a point to make, make it early

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on and then have the rest of the document to back it up. There is

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another one we wanted to talk about, the age of retirement. The World

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Economic Forum saying that maybe we should look at retiring at 70 to

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avoid a pensions crisis. Indeed. This is the UK.

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If the UK does it, everyone else will have to. If one Western country

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goes that way, there will be a momentum and in a year everyone will

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do it or nobody will do it. The challenge is as we are all lucky to

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see our life expectancy rise, we need to pay for that somehow.

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Working longer is one of the best way to do it. I take exception to

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this, this is the World Economic Forum. This is the elite, all of

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whom could retire at 30 and they are telling us we have to keep working

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until 70. I had a tweet earlier saying it is

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difficult for people in heavy industries. Maybe for news

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presenters it is fine, but not for everyone.

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This is heavy industry, mate! I am saying nothing! That is it.

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There will be more business news throughout the day. Have a good

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weekend, goodbye. Good morning. If you have plans for

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the bank holiday weekend it

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