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This is Business Live from BBC News with Rachel Horne and Alice Baxter.

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Amazon founder Jeff Bezos briefly becomes the world's richest person.

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But Wall Street nerves about the company's massive spending

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Live from London, that's our top story on Friday the 28th of July.

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Sales at Amazon rise - but profits plunge -

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as the e-commerce giant spends big on expansion overseas.

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Will the latest figures on the US economy bring President Trump

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In Europe things getting off to a muted start.

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And chlorinated chickens, the electric Mini and tech titans -

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we'll be looking at what's been a busy week in

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Today we want to know does great wealth bring great responsibility?

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Yesterday Amazon founder Jeff Bezos was, briefly,

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the richest person in the world - what would you do if it was you?

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We start with retail giant Amazon - it has seen its shares fall sharply

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after its latest figures disappointed Wall Street.

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The good news - it is raking in huge sums of money

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The bad news - it's spending a fortune on developing its business -

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and that is making investors nervous.

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Total sales in the three months to June jumped almost a quarter

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compared to last year - to just under $38 billion.

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Unfortunately - they spent almost all of it!

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Operating expenses surged to well over $37 billion.

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That means there wasn't much actual profit -

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a comparatively measly $197 million - and down

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Amazon is investing massively in everything from TV

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and movie content - to new warehouses for the global

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Like this - the deal it announced last month to buy

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the supermarket chain Whole Foods for over $13 billion.

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Amazon has been putting increasing pressure on bricks and mortars

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Optimism about the company's future has helped to push up

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Since January Amazon shares have risen by more

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than 40% to a new record - making the company worth

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Which has proved very lucrative for this person -

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the firm's founder - Jeff Bezos.

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On Thursday, he became the richest person in the world -

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As the share price has come down again, he has dropped

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Joining me now is Ben Preston. Amazon don't tend to go for big

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profits, so why were Wall Street disappointed this time? Well, the

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shares are indicating they will be down a little today. In the context

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today I think they're still likely to be satisfied with these results.

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It's the same old Amazon in lots of ways. The amount they sell gets

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larger but they don't let those profits fall to the bottom line.

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They prefer to reinvest into the future. It's a formula that's worked

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well for them. Building an empire is understating it, he is going global,

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seems to be getting into every aspect of our lives, TV investment,

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original content, where do you think they're going to go next? That's

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right t all started with the smartphone which has redefined the

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way we live a lot of our lives. We connect with people in different

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ways. We take public transport in different ways and we shop and pay

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for things now in different ways. The next thing perhaps is the living

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room, they've been successful with the Amazon echo device, and he is

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hoping that will force more of us to engage with Amazon and become prime

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subscribers. Of course also supermarkets, we mentioned the

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acquisition of Whole Foods and also they're moving into Cloud services,

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data storage which is proving incredibly profitable already.

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That's been a very successful story for them. It's a newer business for

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them than retail but it's been more profitable. It continues to grow

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rapidly. How do you compare Amazon to other big tech companies,

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Facebook, Apple, results from Facebook and from Alphabet already

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this week, it is a very different business, but they do tend to get

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grouped together. It's amazing how quickly those companies have

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continued to grow. The share prices this year have reflected that with

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strong performances. Amazon is slightly different in that the other

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companies tend to make a greater share of profits today, whereas

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Amazon insists on reinvesting that for the future. As a group they've

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all done fantastically well. Our job as investors is to try to judge how

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much of that future growth is priced into the shares today and make the

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investment decision accordingly. Ben Preston, thank you very much.

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Op other stories making the news. The IT failure at British Airways

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in May that left thousands unable That's according to

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the airline's owner IAG. About 75,000 passengers faced severe

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disruption when BA's system failed over the second Bank Holiday

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weekend in May. BA said it was caused by an engineer

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who disconnected a power supply. Air France-KLM is buying almost

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a third of Virgin Atlantic, leaving Sir Richard Branson's parent

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company, Virgin Group, with a minority stake

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in the airline he founded. Sir Richard said he would remain

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"very much involved" after the deal. Germany's transport minister has

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announced a recall of 22,000 Porsche cars to remove what he says

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is illegal He said that luxury make Porsche

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would bear the cost of the recalls of the affected 3-litre diesel

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Cayenne models. We have had figures through from

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Barclays, millions of customers around the world, they've seen a

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jump in half-year profits but will have to pay out an extra ?700

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million to meet compensation claims for mis-selling payment protection

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insurance, that's PPI. Barclays shares up over 1% on the

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London markets this morning. Lloyds also having to put aside additional

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money for claims, as well. Let's cross over to Asia now.

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Let's go to Asia, where coffee giant Starbucks is splashing out in China.

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It is buying out its Eastern Chinese partners, spending $1.3 billion

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on the 50% of the business it doesn't already own.

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It's the biggest deal Starbucks has ever done.

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Chase the reaction to this given it's the biggest deal the chain has

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ever done? Yes, it goes to show how important China has become for the

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coffee chain, it is in fact the fastest growing market outside the

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United States. Especially with the number of stores. As you mentioned,

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they already own 1500 outlets fully but spending 1. 3 billion to buy the

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rest, 50% stake in 1300 other stores. The goal is to own 5,000

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stores in mainland China by 2021. But the announcement came just as

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the company announced a fall in income for the three months to July

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because its growth in the United States has been somewhat slowing

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down. So I guess this big announcement in China going to prove

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to investors how important China is and how it's going to grow even more

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in the Chinese market. Thanks. Let's stay in the region.

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Asian stock markets sagged on Friday -

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that's after US tech shares retreated from recent rallies.

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In Tokyo, the Nikkei closed lower as the market was dragged down

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by some disappointing earnings reports and that fall

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Across the pond, the tech-heavy Nasdaq's streak of all-time high

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closes ended Thursday with Apple, Google-parent Alphabet and Netflix

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One bright spot though over in China - with stocks ended higher

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on with the Shanghai benchmark index recording the sixth consecutive

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week of gains, bolstered by recent solid economic data.

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Shares in Europe ending on a muted note.

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In a few hours, the United States will announce second-quarter

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Gross Domestic Product numbers, while consumer spending,

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manufacturing and service-sector data are due next week.

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Smaira has more now on what's ahead on Wall Street Today.

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On Friday we get the latest growth figures for the economy. The GDP is

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expected to have gone up to 2. 6% for the last three months of this

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year. That would be a big improvement on the previous

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quarter's GDP, which came in at just 1. 4%. As a candidate for President,

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Donald Trump campaigned on bringing the GDP to 4-5%. Sips then. Since

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then they have tempered anticipation. Among companies

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reporting on Friday is the world's largest publicly traded oil

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producer, Baker Hughes, the second largest oil fields services

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provider. Goodyear and American airlines.

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Joining us is James Bevan, Chief Investment Officer at CCLA

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Thank you for coming in. Let's pick up talking about US GDP. We had that

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1. 4% figure for the first three months. President Trump and his

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advisors hoping for 3% for the second three months of the year. We

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have had strong data, some strong corporate earnings out, do you think

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they might do it? Absolutely not. It's great to hope but that is not a

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number that I can get to. I think if you stretch all the numbers and say

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let's be optimistic, you could say we get to 2. 9 but actually if you

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think about the lower case numbers we have also seen, could be as low

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as 2. 2 but I don't think we are going to see three. The run rate for

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the US economy is much lower and I think this is going to be a year

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that looks like 2014, 2015, 2016, no real change, bad luck, Mr Trump.

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Some analysts saying that number was achievable at the height of the tech

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bubble. Absolutely, the one - I think probably thought to himself I

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don't want to asroi the boss and say it's going to go back to where it

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came from, I am going to have to pitch a number less than the promise

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made but I guess that's where it came from. I can't get that number

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myself in terms of the lead indicators and if you look at the

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structural content of the US economy it doesn't have the capacity to

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drive that growth right now. What would the US need to do to achieve

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that number? Invest heavily, it could be a greater output, more

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productivity improvements. At the moment we have a challenge in that

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there is not enough investment, companies have been using cash to

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buy back their own shares. That's great if you are a chief executive,

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you keep earnings roughly where they are and everything is fine. However

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in terms of building a bigger economy they have to be investing in

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plant and machinery, that's not happening. Thank you. You are going

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to take us through the business papers later.

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We will look at a busy week in the world of business.

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You're with Business Live from BBC News.

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Barclays has reported a heavy loss in the second quarter,

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hit by the one-off costs of a big disposal in Africa and a further

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knock from mis-selling payment protection

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Theo Leggett joins us from the Business Newsroom with more.

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They're pretty significant but you have to move away a little bit from

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that headline figure, if you look at the day-to-day operations of the

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bank and operating profit, and that was ?2. 3 billion, that's up from ?2

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billion last year, an increase of about 13%, not bad but less than

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analysts were expecting. Operating costs have gone up quite a bit.

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There are a lot of reasons for that. One of them being increased security

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to protect against cyber attack. But of course those headline figures

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will be dominating and the story of the bank's restructuring is also a

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big story today. That is where the Africa business comes in. Barclays

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has had to write off a significant amount of money, it lost ?1. 4

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billion on the sale of a 33% stake in Barclays Africa group and it also

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lost another billion on the value of its remaining 15% stake but this

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kind of brings to an end the process the chief executive had implemented

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of trying to narrow Barclays focus, focus and zoom in on core businesses

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and increase profitable. He says that process is at an end and

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shareholders are going to start to benefit. Barclays has announced it's

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to pay out more for the mis-selling payment protection insurance to UK

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customers. It has, this goes on and on. It is going to pay out another

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?700 million or at least provide another ?700 million against future

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claims. Barclays had already set aside more than ?9 billion for this

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kind of thing, it has used ?7 billion of it, so still ?2 billion

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in the Kitty. The pace of claims has been accelerating, it's up since the

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same period last year so it is setting aside another ?700 million

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to make sure there is enough in the cupboard to meet future claims which

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it expects will go up. Incidentally, Barclays isn't the only bank doing

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this. Yesterday we had Lloyds saying much the same thing, also setting

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aside a further ?700 million against PPI claims.

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Thank you. Check out the tablet to all the

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latest headlines. Sales at Amazon rose in the three

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months to June but profits plunged as the company invested in global

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expansion. The boss briefly became the world's chip man but went back

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to second place. -- richest man. A quick look at how

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markets are faring. And now let's get the inside

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track on the other big Philip Hammond has told business

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leaders he wants companies to have full access to the single market and

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Customs union for two years after Brexit. The Chancellor of fixture

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has been talking to the BBC and emphasise the importance of the

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transition day. My view on transition is well known. I believe

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it will be in the interests of Britain and the EU if, after we

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leave the European Union and the single market, and the customs

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union, on 29th of March, 2019, there is then a period, call it

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transitional interim period, during which we will allow our economies to

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adjust to the new situation rather than having a cliff edge in March,

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2019, which will cause immense disruption to businesses and

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citizens. How significant is this? It is quite a move. There has been a

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two stage process in the past was that you get March and then you have

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a transitional period. Then the next period, the full deal you do

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overtime. What he is saying is, on the day after the 29th of March,

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everything stays pretty much the same. If you were going through the

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borders he would not notice. You stay in the single market and the

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customs union. He is saying you come out of those you behave as if it has

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not happened. Some people say it looks like a duck and it sounds like

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a duck, it is still a duck. What you don't want our hold-up at the port.

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He said this is the easiest way he was saying this morning to the BBC

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he has indicated he thinks he has Cabinet support for this. There have

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been split between Liam Fox, Boris Johnson, David Davis, the minister

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responsible for getting us out of the European Union. They have always

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been a bit reluctant. It looks as if he is beginning to win the argument

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with the help of business leaders. Is this his version of the

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transition deal? This is his deal. In a way you would not notice what

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has changed. The fact he has managed to win over... If he has managed to

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unite the Entire Cabinet behind his version of a Brexit deal, this is a

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real achievement for him. Liam Fox is in Washington and to reason me is

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out of the country. -- chorizo me. It looks like business leaders are

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feeling a bit more relieved that the least disruptive path is the one the

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Chancellor wants to find. When it comes to negotiating post-Brexit

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trade deals, you have mentioned things like chlorinated chicken, all

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of which we have highlighted in how compensated all of this will be. The

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chlorinated chicken and the hGH powers, this has shown how difficult

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it is to do. -- cows. Sometimes it is Corine and sometimes something

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else that you do not get all the problems you can. -- chlorine. There

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will be some harsh truths. What I would point out is we already export

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25% of all about goods and services to the US. This is not the trade

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relationship which is broken. It does work pretty well. There will be

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trade off. If we want to export our beef, will we have to take their

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chicken? 40 years worth of relationship with the EU which has

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the own standards which we have been beholden to, it will be very

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difficult. When you say we can get a trade deal done, I am sceptical.

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Let's talk about Amazon. It is now worth half $1 trillion. What is your

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reaction? Everybody says their shares went down to is that this is

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part for the course for Amazon. -- their shares went down as well.

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Amazon has been able to say quick you just wait for your money. I will

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reinvest. When they have made a profit, in the first ten or 20

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years, they have sunk everything back in. Now it is coming at us as a

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company from all sides. I expect the boss will not have to wait very long

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before he is the richest man in the world again.

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Now, it hasn't been the easiest of summers for British Airways.

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You'll probably remember the chaos at Heathrow back in May

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when thousands of people were stranded because of a big

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They've also had several walkouts from cabin crew staff over pay.

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But this morning, the company that owns them -

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IAG or International Airlines Group - has said it made a profit

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of around a billion dollars in the first half of the year.

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The problem was caused by disconnection of power and the

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unauthorised and reapplication of the power which caused a power surge

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and damaged the physical infrastructure of the data centre.

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We have addressed the issue. We clearly apologise to all our

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customers who were disrupted. The results we have released today show

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the underlying performance of the airline is excellent. Passenger

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numbers continue to grow well in excess of the capacity we are

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adding. The airline has strengthened its financial performance and its

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competitive performance. The airline has taken a hit. We have also seen

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some very strong competition. There are issues we need to address. Some

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of these have been handled well and some of them we could have handled

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much better. We will get better going forward. The measure of

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success is how it can sustain increase in competition and

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challenges over a long period of time. Five years from now I would

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expect British Airways to be in the top ten of airlines worldwide. We

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can be confident that we will be one that is performing well. That was

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the chief Executive of IAG. What other business

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stories has the media been James is back to talk this through

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the business pages. This headline from the Seattle Times. A lot of the

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newspapers are covering this story that the boss of hours and briefly

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became the world's richest man before slumping back down to number

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two. Do great riches come with great responsibility? What should we be

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doing with these levels of wealth? If I were him I would use my money

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in scientific research to help find a cure of AIDS. A couple of other

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tweets have also suggested a similar tack. That is interesting. Amongst

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the world of the super rich here is unique in his lack of philanthropy.

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I'm not sure that is necessarily true. We should acknowledge that

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people like Mr Gates has given around 30 billion, he has made a

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vast contribution to philanthropy. There is a history in the United

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States of leading players providing large sums of money. He is spending

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around $1 billion a year on his rocket business. It is all very well

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saying he should give the money away. He would have to sell the

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shares. Why should he want to do that when he is still building the

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business? If you were to say what is the real motivation of Jeff Bezos,

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it would be to build a ghastly successful business. Amazon has

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changed Varsity over the years. It started selling books online. --

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boss glee. The business is transformational. They will sell

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more close this year than Macy's. I think he will do this he did tweak

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it, what should my stance be on philanthropy question I think he

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will do a lot more. I do not think we should criticise him for lack of

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progress. We will have to leave it there.

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Still no signs of hot, summery weather on the

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