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This is Business Live

from BBC News with Ben Bland

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and Samantha Simmonds.

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It's a multi-billion dollar bonanza.

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Black Friday sales have spread

around the world but how much extra

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will we actually spend?

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Live from London, that's our top

story on Friday 24th November 2017.

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The post-Thanksgiving

discounts started in America

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but retailers are looking to cash

in on the holiday spending

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season everywhere.

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Also in the programme...

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China gives us the details

of its plans to cut import tariffs

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so will it help the rest

of the world sell more

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to the world's biggest market?

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We will be keeping an eye on the

markets. A bit of a lacklustre start

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on the European indices with London

being outperformed by Frankfurt,

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Paris and Madrid.

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And we'll be getting

the inside track on Britain's

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productivity riddle and what the US

Fed's latest minutes tell us

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about where the world's

biggest economy is heading

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with our Economics

Correspondent, Andrew Walker.

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One factory in Sweden has started

burning unwanted clothes to make

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clean energy instead

of using oil and gas.

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And as Black Friday sees people

grabbing bargains on new clothes,

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what do you do with your old ones?

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Let us know.

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Just use #BBCBizLive.

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Hello and welcome to Business Live.

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Don't you say I should have burned

that tie!

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It's the Friday after

Thanksgiving and for millions

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of Americans that means one

thing - shopping.

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Black Friday has come to signal

the start of the Christmas shopping

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season with big discounts

to tempt buyers.

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And, as with so much else,

what started in the US,

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the world's biggest economy,

has spread rapidly around

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the world to become one

the busiest times of the year

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for the global retail business.

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There have already been queues

at US shopping centres.

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Altogether 164 million

people are expected

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to shop this weekend -

that's over half the

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country's population.

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And that means make-or-break time

for the many US retailers who see

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30% to 40% of their annual sales

come between Black

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Friday and Christmas.

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The spending has already

started here in the UK too,

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where spending is expected to reach

the equivalent of $2.4

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million per minute.

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An increasing share

of that is being done not in stores,

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but on phones and tablets.

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Online spending today is predicted

to be up 15% on last year,

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hitting $1.5 billion.

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Joining us now is Maureen Hinton.

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She's the Group Research Director at

the retail analysts Global Data PLC.

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I don't know if you're going to be

doing any shopping, I think I will

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be! Is it getting bigger and bigger?

$2.4 million every minute in the UK

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we are expected to spend.

It is

definitely getting bigger having

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started about five years ago and it

has really taken off, one of the big

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events now but it has pulled forward

the January sales into November so

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it is challenging for some of the

retailers.

Are there true bargains

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to be had? It is not just one day,

it is over a week and one report

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said that around 60% of items could

be found cheaper at other times of

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the year. How do we know if we are

getting a deal?

I think some

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consumers are getting a bit cynical

now. But the retailers are producing

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true bargains, somebody like Dixons

the lexical retailer -- electrical

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retailer, they are bringing in

products with low prices so there

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are bargains to be had.

I have heard

it said by prominent business people

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that Black Rider is bad for

customers and bad for businesses. --

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Black Friday.

It is bad for clothing

retailers. In the UK what would have

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happened but for if we would have

had January sales after Christmas

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and as consumers we would have been

willing to pay full price for

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clothing and beauty and gifts and

toys but now all of those are being

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slashed and they are not making a

profit they could do from before.

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And the big thing seems to be

tablets and smartphones, I am using

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these for work and not shopping! But

a lot of people are and that is

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contributing to do it.

Definitely

because it is so easy to compare

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prices quickly, you can go into

store and asked if that is the best

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price, maybe see if you could get it

somewhere else and then there is the

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convenience of ordering online. It

is convenient for the consumer.

Can

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you see it continuing? It has been

going five years in this country,

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but business insider were reporting

that they don't think it is going to

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last much longer.

I think it is

going to take a while before it

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peters out in the UK. It is quite

well-established now. Some retailers

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would like it to peter out but it is

going to spread across the

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continent.

Will you be doing some

shopping?

The Billy Knott, I'm too

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busy, but maybe this evening!

--

probably not. I have had my eye on

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address for weeks and I'm hoping is

discounted! But this is another

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point, I went into the shop and ask

them if it would be discounted! They

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sit it was unlikely because it was a

top seller and that is the point,

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they shift the stuff they cannot get

rid of! Your tastes are clearly too

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good!

You might have to wait until

January.

It might have gone by then!

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Maureen Tom thank you very much. Our

director said she did her shopping

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on a smartphone on the way in that

she has not said what she bought

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them in must have been our Christmas

present! Let's have a look at some

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other stories now.

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Uber has been given the green

light for its tie-up

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with Russia's Yandex.

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Reuters is reporting

that the ride-hailing merger has

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been approved by the country's

competition authorities

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if certain conditions are met.

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Uber has spent more than $200

million on the venture with Yandex

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which is Russia's biggest internet

company.

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Angela Merkel's hope of another term

in charge of Europe's biggest

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economy have received a boost.

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Germany's Social Democrats have said

they will now hold talks over

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breaking the political deadlock

since September's

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inconclusive election.

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Mrs Merkel's former coalition

partners had said they wouldn't take

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part in any new government.

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A key part of YouTube's system

for reporting people who leave

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sexualised comments on videos

of children has not been functioning

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correctly for more than a year

according to volunteer moderators

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with inside knowledge of the site.

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A BBC investigation found a flaw

in a tool that enables

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the public to report abuse.

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YouTube has denied any technical

failure, and says content

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that endangers children

is abhorrent and unacceptable.

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The scandal around Mitsubishi

Materials demonstrates "a betrayal

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of trust in Japanese manufacturing"

according to the country's

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Economy and Trade Minister.

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On Thursday the company became

the latest to apologise for faking

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quality control data.

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Shares in the company,

which is part of the same

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group as the car firm,

closed more than 8% down in Tokyo.

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China's government has unveiled some

of the details about its plan to cut

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import tariffs for a range

of consumer products.

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The changes could help companies

who want to sell to the world's

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biggest consumer market.

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Our correspondent Robin

Brant is in Shanghai.

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Explain more.

Good news if you are

trying to export whiskey to China,

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also some skiing products and

pharmaceutical products and maybe

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some hats because they are among the

187 products that will see the duty

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imposed by the Chinese government

reduced. On average it will come

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down from around 17.5% to 7%. It is

more on some items, vermouth is

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coming down, and whiskey has been

halved. The explanation given is

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that these are products mainly in

demand among the wealthy middle

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class that you cannot really get in

China because they are not made

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domestic league and the government

wants to increase the supply of

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these high-quality products --

domestically. Is it significant? I

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don't think so frankly. It is a move

on the tariffs. We will have to see

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if retailers pass it on. But if you

are Ford and you want to bring in

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expensive cars to this country can

you still pay 25%, if you bring in

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food that will still have 14%. And

these are not the big structural

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changes that were talked about by

President Xi talked about. Come and

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Baxter is coming here wanting to

make and sell cars, they still had

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to do a joint-venture -- car

manufacturers.

Robin in Shanghai,

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thank you.

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Asian markets mostly rose

but investors moved warily on Friday

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after a sharp sell-off in Shanghai

the previous day fuelled concerns

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of fresh turmoil in China's

markets specifically.

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Chinese shares dropped

to three-month lows on concerns

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about fresh government steps to curb

financial risks and rise

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in Chinese bond yields.

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US markets closed for Thanksgiving

and the euro extended gains against

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the dollar after data showed the

Eurozone economy continued to

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improve while job creation came in

at its fastest pace in 17 years.

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This is how the European indices

look at the start of the day lacking

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direction really having opened

slightly higher but now turning into

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the negative. This is a look ahead

of what is coming up on Wall Street.

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It's the Friday after

the Thanksgiving holiday

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here in the US, and markets are open

for trading, but volumes

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are generally light on this day

as many people have taken the day

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off to recover from too much turkey.

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The big business story for the day

will obviously be Black Friday.

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It marks the beginning

of the holiday season of shopping,

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and many stores will be offering

deals to get customers

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through their doors.

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There is also some economic news

to pay attention to.

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The latest purchasing

managers' index, or PMI

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numbers, will be out today.

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Now, this is important

because it reflects the health

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of the manufacturing sector.

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And it's based on five

major indicators.

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New orders, inventory levels,

production, supplier deliveries

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and the employment environment.

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Joining us is Sue Noffke,

UK Equities Fund Manager

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from Schroders.

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Looking at the Chinese markets, they

are cooling off, what is your take?

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We did see the biggest one-day fall

for 17 months on Thursday. It is

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important to put it into the context

of how strong the Chinese stock

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market has been in the last six

months. From early May it is up

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nearly 30%. There were some profits

to be taken. And what did markets

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take fright at? That was the

government indication that they

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might be trying to tighten that

liquidity which is Willie Watt has

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fuelled the economy and the stock

market. -- really what has fuelled.

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Turning briefly to the UK budget, a

big statement from the finance

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minister this week. It was rather

gloomy but the market did not seem

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to take much fright and nor were

they particularly excited.

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Definitely in the round this was

what was anticipated. I think some

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of the forecasts were a bit stale.

Market forecasts had been running

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ahead of the OBR and the Institute

for Fiscal Studies. The downgrades

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we have seen to growth to the 1.5%

level were not a surprise, no

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material impact on sterling or

interest rate or the stock market.

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And what about oil prices? They have

rallied.

They have been quite

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robust. The six up week in seven,

and at levels not seen since the

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middle of 2015 so pretty good. It

depends which price you want to use,

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Brent is in the 60 or WTI is in the

high 50s. That is a much better

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number for oil producers, whether

that is individual companies

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particularly in the US and elsewhere

but also oil-producing countries

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very much need those revenues.

And

they have suffered quite a lot, some

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having to completely rethink their

reliance on oil and they might be

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taking a bit of heart as a result of

this.

That's right and there is also

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support from Opec with another

meeting coming up on Thursday and it

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is a question of whether they can

agree to prolong their cuts into

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early next year.

Great to have you

with us, thank you for coming in and

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we will see you later.

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We'll get the Inside Track

on the signals the latest US Fed

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minutes give us on the world's

biggest economy with our

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Friday Editor, Andrew Walker.

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You're with Business

Live from BBC News.

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One of Britain's biggest brewers

has warned of economic

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uncertainty in a "tough

and highly competitive" market.

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Fullers owns hundreds of pubs,

largely in the south of England,

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and brews the famous London Pride.

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It's reported a 10% rise

in profits before tax

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of £23.6 million in the six months

to the end of September.

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But it's warning "economic

and political uncertainty"

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could cause further challenges

on top of the rising costs

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it's already facing.

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Joining us from the London Stock

Exchange is Simon Emeny, the chief

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executive of Fuller Smith & Turner.

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So how worried are you about the

future of brewing as a business?

I

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think none of us are approaching

2018 from an economic perspective

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with stunning confidence, but we

feel that as a business we are in

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exceptionally good shape. We have

continued to invest in our pubs,

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people and processes. So whilst I

don't think that we will get any

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favours from the UK economy, I think

there is a considerable amount that

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we can do to continue to improve our

business.

What's your reaction to

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the alcohol price freeze in the

budget this week?

I think it has

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been really reassuring that the

Chancellor is really listening to

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the issues that the hospitality

industry faces. This has been a year

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when the industry has faced with

unprecedented costs, and to give

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reprieve to some businesses on

business rates was a good sign. He

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needs to go further on business

rates, the system is outdated and

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urgently needs reform, but it was an

encouraging budget for the industry.

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We went through a stage where it

seemed like every week, almost every

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day, we would being told that pubs

are closing, struggling to survive.

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We pass that now?

I think it is

stabilising more. The industry, we

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are still opening pubs, we have two

brand-new station site opening in

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2018, and I think these pubs are

better equipped to cope with the

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needs of a modern consumer,

particularly around fresh food,

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craft beer and great service. So

whilst you still see some pubs

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closing, you see fantastic new pubs

opening, and we will continue to

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invest in refurbishing our pubs and

opening new ones.

Simon, thank you

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very much, Simon Emeny there.

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Lots of cat videos on Argos if you

are sick of Black Friday! Who

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doesn't want to see those.

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You are watching Business Live. Our

top story: Black Friday sales have

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begun in the United States and

around the world. A quick look at

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how the markets are faring at the

start of the trading day in Europe.

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Seemingly lacking direction a bit,

they have opened slightly higher but

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now moving into the red, fairly flat

in Paris, and that is what the pound

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is doing against the dollar, just

above 1.30 three. -- 1.33.

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Now it's our chance to look back

on some of the biggest business

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stories of the week.

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Here in the UK the budget gave us

another insight on the public

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finances and in the US the clues

were in the Federal

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Reserve's latest minutes.

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Andrew Walker is our Economics

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Correspondent.

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He's here to talk

about the main points

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from the UK budget.

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The Chancellor bases his predictions

on the office but it was the Luthi,

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and they have downgraded their

forecast of economic growth, they

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are expecting around 1.5% per year

over the next four or five years.

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That compares with figures in excess

of 2.5% in the years before, in the

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quarter of a century before the

financial crisis. What is behind

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that downgrade is the OBR finally

giving up on the expectation that

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there is going to be a really

decisive rebound in productivity

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growth, which is essentially the

amount each worker produces, either

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over the course of a year or just

one hour. And because it is not

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expecting this long delayed recovery

in productivity to come through, it

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does mean that it is going to have

adverse financial implications for

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the Government, they are going -- we

are going to be paying less in tax

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than we would otherwise have been if

there was this improvement in

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productivity.

And to clarify this

point. When they said productivity,

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are they essentially saying that UK

workers are not working hard enough?

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Absolutely not.

Just you!

It is not

bad. It has economists are

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scratching their heads about what is

going on. One factor is perhaps the

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business investment has rebranded

quite weakly after the financial

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crisis, nowhere near as strongly as

it recovered after previous

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recessions. Very low interest rates

may be another factor. It enables

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some low productivity businesses to

survive that might not have survived

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had they had higher borrowing costs.

And there is also the possibility

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actually that perhaps things are

little better than the data suggest,

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because we are not measuring the

impact of technological change on

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what we produce quite as well as we

should. Certainly there is some

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evidence that that explains a bit of

it, but only a bit.

Let's move on to

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the US Fed minutes. They seemed a

bit confused, and also divided. What

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did we learn?

They certainly are

divided about just how worried they

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should be about the inflationary

invitations of the very strong

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American jobs market. The rate of

new job creation, they think, is not

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sustainable in the long-term without

an increase in inflation. But at the

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same time, there are some members of

the policy-making committee who

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think that, who are getting worried

about the persistent level of

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inflation being too low, and so that

is giving them some significant

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divisions about just how quickly

they should be raising interest

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rates. We are still expecting a rate

rise next month, but beyond that, it

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is quite clear that they are again,

as we have been here in the UK about

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other things, scratching their heads

about what the real state of the

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American jobs market is.

Andrew, we

can see some pretty jubilant scenes

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in Zimbabwe, we can see some

pictures of that right now. A big

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day as Emmerson Mnangagwa is sworn

in as Robert Mugabe exited the

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stage. Some pretty heart-warming

views from the IMF for them?

Yes and

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no. The IMF is quite clear that the

Zimbabwe economy has, and I quote,

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huge potential. But they do think

there is an awful lot of work to be

0:21:330:21:36

done to put right what they see as

the damage that has been done to the

0:21:360:21:40

economy under Robert Mugabe. They

think there is a lot of work that

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needs to be done in sorting out the

public finances. Too much spending

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on inefficient agricultural support,

civil service salaries. Crowding out

0:21:500:21:53

private sector investment,

politically difficult to deal with

0:21:530:21:57

those kind of problems.

Andrew,

thank you very much.

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Andrew Walker is our

Economics Correspondent.

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It seems that now there is a nap for

pretty much everything, and in Kenya

0:22:060:22:10

it is a matter of life and death. A

new app is making it a lot easier to

0:22:100:22:15

summon the emergency services.

0:22:150:22:19

You just take for granted that 911

exists. The average person in

0:22:390:22:46

Nairobi had no idea what number to

call. And when you ask them they

0:22:460:22:50

would say, that is a good point.

What will I do?

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We have different ambulance

companies. We work together to make

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it.

0:23:250:23:27

There was once times that we have

seen has gone down from 162 minutes,

0:23:340:23:41

which was the average, which is

nearly three hours, which is insane,

0:23:410:23:45

down to 15-20 minutes.

0:23:450:23:54

Let's see what other

stories are being talked

0:23:540:23:56

about on social media.

0:23:560:23:59

The Bank of England have announced

that they pay a quarter more to men

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than to women. Sue Noffke is with us

again.

The Bank of England has been

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the latest company to have to be

more transparent about its pay

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rates. And we can see what the gaps

are. They are taking measures to

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close that. They have made progress

in recent years. And they have set a

0:24:240:24:30

target as to where they want to be

to close further that gap in a

0:24:300:24:34

couple of years' time.

And a power

plant in Sweden burning unwonted

0:24:340:24:42

unused clothes instead of call and

oil. A genius idea?

It is a great

0:24:420:24:47

idea, and we are seeing fossil fuel

type power stations moving to

0:24:470:24:51

alternative fuel sources, so we are

seeing in Sweden but that can be

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clothing that is mouldy or unfit for

use. It can be sustainable biofuels,

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so it can be compressed pieces of

wood and shavings of wood. We can

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see copy grounds, used coffee

grounds, powering London buses.

That

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is a question we have been asking

this morning, what do you do with

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your clothes when you are done with

them? We have had for quite a few

0:25:180:25:26

responses. One viewer says that she

makes patchwork stars. Jack says he

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bends them, and Maisie says give

them to charities, homeless or free

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cycle, depending on what it is and

the condition. Only suitable for

0:25:380:25:43

rags? Given to the local garage to

use as class.

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And Ben just doesn't throw anything

away! Sue

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And Ben just doesn't throw anything

away! Sue, thank you very much.

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There will be more business news

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