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The eurozone crisis deepens. The French economy is downgraded

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tonight amid new fears about Greece. France loses its cherished AAA

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credit rating and other countries face being downgraded. President

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Sarkozy insists his government won't change course but others

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argue the decision could have a serious impact. The downgrade for

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France means that potentially in the future, French borrowing costs

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will rise. That is bad for France and potentially bad for the

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eurozone. And growing concern that talks in

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Greece over its debt burden are in serious trouble. We'll be looking

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at how damaging the day's developments are for the euro.

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Also tonight: Plans to cut child benefit for

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better off families. The Prime Minister acknowledges it's unfair

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for some. A British student is to be

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extradited to America for his website which helped people watch

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films for free. The Prime Minister visits the Saudi

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king but are they talking diplomacy or weapons?

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And a new exhibition by the man dubbed Britain's greatest living

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In sport on the BBC News Channel, Amir Khan gets set for a world

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title rematch. He says he has been given another chance against Lamont

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Peterson, who beat him on a points Good evening. Within the last hour

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France, the second biggest economy in the Eurozone, has had its

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cherished AAA credit rating downgraded. The decision by one

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ratings agency, Standard and Poor's, could have an impact on its

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borrowing rates and crucially, the viability of the eurozone's bailout

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fund. There are reports tonight that four other countries may be

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downgraded and there are new fears that talks to resolve Greece's debt

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problem may be in crisis. Gavin Hewitt is in Paris and reports on a

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turbulent Friday 13th for the euro. The French Evening News tonight,

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and the moment that France learnt it had been stripped of its top

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griddle -- Triple A credit rating. Facing an election, this had been

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President Sarkozy's fear. It was only the verdict of one ratings

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agency, but already his opponents say it represents a failure of his

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policies. It was left to the French Finance Minister to make this

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announcement. TRANSLATION: It is not good news

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but this is not a catastrophe. The ratings agencies do not control the

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politics of France. We do. At the Lycee Palace tonight, President

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Sarkozy gathered together his top advisers. What the downgrade will

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mean is an increase in French borrowing costs. France's debt is

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set to reach 90% of its output this year. They have to raise 290

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billion euros just to pay off old debts. The French government

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already has to pay 3.1% to borrow. That figure could now increase.

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Potentially in the future, French borrowing costs will rise. That is

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bad for France and potentially bad for the eurozone, because France

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finances the rescue shield. President Sarkozy and Chancellor

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Merkel the downgrade also weakens the firepower of the eurozone's

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main bail out fund, which is linked to the credibility of the nations

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that bracket. -- that back it. There was a protest tonight outside

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the ratings agency's office tonight in Paris, calling it a declaration

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of war against France. But most people say they downgrade has the

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potential to damage President Sarkozy. It is a very big blow to

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Sarkozy, to his party, and 100 days from the elections, it is very bad

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news. As well as France, Italy, achy country, was significantly

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downgraded tonight. Spain, too, saw its credit rating cut and Austria

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lost its triple-A rating. Other European countries were also set to

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be downgraded. The downgrade discussed here tonight and in other

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affected European capitals was not the only bad news for the eurozone

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today. Key talks aimed at reducing Greece's debt burden have now run

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into difficulties. Protests against spending cuts have continued in

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Athens. Greece needs to agree a new rescue package. A central element

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of any deal is that investors agree to take significant losses. Those

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talks appear close to collapse, raising the prospect of a Greek

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default. I think it is pretty much 99% certain that Greece will

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default on its debts. When you look at the crease economy and the rate

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it is contracting and the fact that the debt is going up day-by-day. --

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the Greek economy. France says the judgment of the rating agencies

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should not be overestimated but today after a brief lull, the

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eurozone crisis was threatening once again.

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Robert Peston is here. You have a formal statement from Standard and

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Poor's. What does it say? It has just landed in my e-mail basket in

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the last few minutes and it is, frankly, pretty shocking. It is as

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bad as we feared it might be. Nine eurozone governments have had their

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credit rating downgraded. Cyprus, Italy, Portugal and Spain have had

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their ratings downgraded by two notches. And importantly, Portugal

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is now categorised in the junk, as Juncker, essentially, meaning

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broadly it is as bad as Greece in the view of Standard and Poor's.

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Those who have learnt to Portugal now face very big risks of a

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default of serious losses. France, downgraded by one notch. And a

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number of other countries, nine in total downgraded. What I also found

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really extraordinary is that if you look at all the members of the

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eurozone, only one is said by Standard and Poor's to have a

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stable outlook, and that is Germany. How serious is this for the

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eurozone? Well, some will say it is simply a statement of the obvious,

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that they have not fixed their financial prices. It may, however,

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exacerbate that crisis, because it may make it harder for some of

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these countries, in particular Portugal, to mend itself. One has

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to be worried about Portugal because the economy is contracting

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so fast. But the other thing about today, Friday the 13th, that was

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shocking, is that talks between Greece's creditors and the Greek

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government broke down. And that raises the risk of a default by

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Greece. Although many people have probably said to you, we expect

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this default, actually, as and when it comes it will do significant

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damage, because the eurozone has still not put in place the bail out

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fund that would protect other countries from a withdrawal of

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credit. Unfortunately, these downgrades make it much harder to

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put in place that firewall, that bail out fund. So this particular

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Friday the 13th may be remembered for some time to come. And it

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absolutely shows, everything that has happened today, while this

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process of so-called kicking the can down the road, not reaching a

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lasting, sustainable solution, is so profoundly worrying for all of

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The Prime Minister has hinted that there may be a rethink of

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controversial plans to stop child benefit for higher-rate taxpayers.

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David Cameron acknowledged that there is potential unfairness for

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some families. The Chancellor has insisted the principle of taxing

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the benefit of better off parents will stand. Ministers will look at

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how the plans are implemented when the changes take effect next year.

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The first family allowances will be paid on August 6th. From 1946, the

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principle was clear, all families got the allowance later called

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child benefit, irrespective of their income. Simple but expensive.

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When the coalition came to power, it said that universal child

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benefit was no longer affordable. In 2010, the Chancellor announced

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it would be withdrawn from all families where a parent paid tax at

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40%, that is earned more than about �44,000 a year. That would save the

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Treasury around �2.5 billion annually. The political problem for

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the Government is that it hits around one in five families who are

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currently receiving the benefit, including many in the Conservative

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heartlands. And there are strange anomalies. A working couple could

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together earn up to �87,000 and still receive child benefit. That

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is because they are each paying basic rate tax of 20%, and not the

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higher 40% rate. But a family with one working parent and an income of

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�45,000 only just over the 40% tax threshold, lose all have their

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benefit. David Cameron is keen to show that his family friendly. He

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will not drop the child benefit policy entirely but he is hinting

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that he may be willing to make changes. He said, there is a

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threshold, a cliff edge issue. We have always said we would look at

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the steepness of the curve, we have always said we will look at the way

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it is implemented. The Prime Minister has been under sustained

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pressure from backbenchers who think the policy of taking child

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benefit away from higher rate taxpayers is a guaranteed vote-

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loser. So he has been playing good cop, sympathising with their

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concerns, and he has asked the man next door, the Chancellor, to see

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what can be done to soften the blow. George Osborne may have to play bad

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cop and tell MPs there simply is not enough money to change the

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policy. We will be removing child benefit from higher rate taxpayers.

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We have not set out how we will implement that. We will do that in

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the next few months. I do not expect major rewriting of the

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policy, but even making small changes to help those who fall just

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inside the higher tax bracket could be complicated and costly. They do

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not have the information available about household income that would

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enable them to solve one of the problems. Unless and until they

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recreate that system, which I do not think they are prepared to do,

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these sort of problems are almost impossible to overcome.

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opposition's advice to the Government is to leave child

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benefit will alone. These proposals would be unfair and bureaucratic.

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Unfair because some families on lower incomes would end up losing

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child benefit while wealthier families would end up much better

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off. The Treasury say that now that times are tough it is both fair and

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popular to take handouts away from better-off families. While there

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may be minor changes, universal child benefit is about to be

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consigned to history. A 23-year-old university student

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faces extradition to America up on charges of copyright infringement.

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Richard O'Dwyer from Bolsover in Derbyshire allegedly earned

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thousands of pounds through his website which helped people watch

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American films and TV shows for three. He could face up to 10 years

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in jail if convicted in the US. He says he will appeal against the

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decision. This report contains flash photography.

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On his way to court this morning, the Sheffield student who funded

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his education with a website that earned him �150,000. Richard

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O'Dwyer has been trying to stop his extradition to the US. At the

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moment, we are banking that the judge agrees that the website was

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legal in the UK. If it is legal here, you cannot extradite someone.

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His TV shako website got 300,000 hits a month. It was a gateway to

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other websites where people could watch programmes and films for free.

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Now in its place, a page from the US government warning others not to

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try the same. Richard O'Dwyer's lawyers argued that his website

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amounted to little more than a list of other website links, a bit like

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a Google page, and as such he had not broken the law. They also said

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that because British authorities had not brought any charges against

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him, there were no grounds to extradite him to the United States.

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But the judge disagreed. He said US prosecutors spoke of direct

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consequences of criminal activity by Richard O'Dwyer in the USA. Such

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a state of affairs does not demand a trial here, and does, in my

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judgment, permit one in the USA. Richard O'Dwyer's mother condemned

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the decision and the extradition treaty behind it. Very disappointed.

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In fact, disgusted. I had hoped for better from the judge. Disappointed

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with this Government was signing up to this treaty which has opened the

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floodgates to America to come and see his British citizens without

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even having set foot out of this country. That extradition law needs

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fixing, fast. Critics say the extradition rules favour American

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prosecutors, but a review last year said they were fair. Of 130

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American requests between 2004-2011, Britain refused seven. But the US

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authorities agreed to all of Britain's 54 requests. I am sure

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the family are disappointed. Many feel there should be in operation

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something which would allow in appropriate cases, where the facts

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take place mainly in this country, for any trial to take place here.

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This would have been one case where there would have been compelling

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arguments for that to happen. Richard O'Dwyer is the first person

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to face extradition under copyright laws. He has got two weeks to

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appeal, and if convicted in the US, David Cameron has used his first

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prime ministerial visit to Saudi Arabia to reassure the Saudis

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Britain is doing all it can do a pose the threat posed by Iran.

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Saudi Arabia fears instability in the region and is boosting defence

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spending, which could benefit British arms manufacturers. But the

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visit is proving controversial for some. Frank Gardner has this report,

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which contains flash photography from the start.

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David Cameron's first visit to Riyadh as Prime Minister is not

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before time, said the Saudis. They would have liked him sooner.

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Today's talks have been about deepening the strategic partnership

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and confronting shared concerns. Like Iran's recent military

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exercises in the Gulf, its suspect nuclear programme and its threat to

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block the Strait of Hormuz, vital to global oil supplies. We are now

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looking at this whole issue of having an embargo on Iranian oil.

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We need to get that regime to think again. It can take a different path

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at stop destabilising the region, stop a march towards a nuclear

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weapon in. In terms of the Straits of Hormuz, it is in the interests

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of the whole world that they are open, and I'm sure that if there is

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a threat to close them, the world would make sure they stayed open.

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Western warplanes, bought by Saudi Arabia, patrol the coastal oil

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field. The country is a huge customer for British arms exports

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and it is once again on a buying spree, nervous about developments

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in the region. Saudi Arabia feels that it is surrounded by threats.

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In Egypt, the Arab Spring protest movement has removed a key ally,

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President of Barack. On its southern border, Yemen risks

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becoming a failed state. The Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia

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has seen violent clashes with Shi'ites. Iran is flexing its

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military muscle. The Saudis are also suspected of stoking unrest in

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the Arab world. -- the Saudis also suspect it. It is concerned about

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the way in which Washington dumped Hosni Mubarak last year, concerned

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about the way that could leave Saudi Arabia hanging or abandoned

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itself. So it is really rearming itself, preparing for any

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challenges over the next several years. Saudi troops have already

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gone into neighbouring Bahrain to bolster the Government's there when

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it put down large-scale protests by Shi'ites. Recent clashes with its

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own Shi'ite minority have left several dead and raised ethical

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questions over human rights. think we are really concerned that

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we may see the sale of arms which could be used to put down protests

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within Saudi Arabia or indeed with in other countries in the region.

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Downing Street says sales of arms and warplanes like these were not

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the focus of today's talks, but if bilateral trade is to continue

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growing, while at the same time Britain pushes for democratic

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reform, David Cameron will have to navigate a delicate middle course.

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Coming out on the programme: David Hockney on how there is beauty in

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everything, even fly-tipping. how could they do it? Other times I

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think, you know, it looks rather good with a tree next to it, rather

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Network Rail is to be prosecuted for the crash at Grayrigg in

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Cumbria back in 2007. One passenger died and 28 people were seriously

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injured when a Virgin train careered off the line. Now the rail

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regulator is taking legal action after earlier investigations

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revealed the derailment was caused by poorly maintained points. Danny

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Savage has more details. The Grayrigg rail accident let the

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carriages of a Virgin Pendolino train from London to Glasgow are

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scattered across an embankment in the field. It had been travelling

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at more than 90 mph when it derailed. One passenger was killed,

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and more than 80 others were injured. Now Britain's rail safety

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regulator is bringing charges against Network Rail. A statement

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today reads: It is in the public interest to bring criminal

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proceedings against Network Rail for a serious breach of health and

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safety law. 84-year-old Margaret Masson died in

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the crash. The lawyer representing her daughter has welcomed today's

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developments. It seems to me that the prosecution of Network Rail is

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an appropriate and natural consequence, given the evidence

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that came out of the inquest in Kendal towards the end of last year.

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Why has it taken five years to bring any charges? The rail

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regulator says it had to wait until after the inquest into the death of

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Margaret Masson. That finished late last year, concluding that a badly

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maintained set of points in his cutting here caused the crash.

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Network Rail says it has not hidden from its responsibilities and that

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it accepted quickly that it was a fault that caused the accident.

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Five years on, the points have been removed from the track here. But

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The United States has upgraded diplomatic relations with Burma and

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will start the process of exchanging ambassadors with the

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country. The announcement came after today's release of hundreds

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of political prisoners by the Burmese government. Large crowds

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gathered outside jails to Greek leaders of the democracy movement

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as they were set free. -- Crete. After days of mounting tension in

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Pakistan between the government and the army, the country's Prime

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Minister has appealed for support from Parliament. As the need to

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choose between democracy and dictatorship. There are unconfirmed

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reports that the Prime Minister phoned British diplomats earlier

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this week expressing fears of an impending coup. Today the Foreign

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Secretary, William Hague, calls for calm beneath nuclear state. Orla

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Guerin reports from Islamabad. In the grip of a political crisis

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Today Pakistan buried two policemen, the latest victims of the militants.

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As well as battling that enemy, the fragile civilian government here is

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facing an escalating conflict with its own army. The military is on

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the warpath because of a mysterious memo asking the Americans to help

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prevent a coup. It was sent last May in the turbulent days after

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Osama Bin Laden was killed on Pakistani soil. The government

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denies sending the unsigned document, which requests direct

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intervention in conveying a strong, agent and direct message to the

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army chief. In parliament today, another crisis session, but

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Pakistan's Interior Minister insists the Government will serve

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its full term until 2013. democracy, we are in transition, so

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our sand downs will be there. As I always say, we have a bird in

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flight, but we will land in a nice way. Aren't you having a real

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crisis with the army? There is speculation about a coup.

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wouldn't say crisis, no. Difference of opinion is always there. Will

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this Government still be in position next week? Next week,

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insha'Allah until 2013. Interior Minister is trying to send

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a message here, that the tension can be diffused and he is adamant

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that the government will survive, but with the army and government

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engaging in open verbal warfare, sung here are writing off this

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administration and predicting that it could be gone within days. --

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Inside Parliament, defiance from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani.

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We have made mistakes, he said, but that does not mean democracy should

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be punished. Many here doubt the army has the stomach for another

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coup, but it seems military chiefs want change, one way or the other.

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They are determined that the government should go, but they

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would like it to take a form in which they do not get the blame for

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it, and at the same time I think they will probably use the

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judiciary for that purpose. Supreme Court is the next

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battleground. It could disqualify the Prime Minister over a long-

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running corruption case. Judges will consider that on Monday. For

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now, this nuclear armed nation is The Royal Academy is preparing for

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a major exhibition of the landscape work of British artists David

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Hockney. It is a show that includes enormous canvases, drawings and

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films displayed on banks of video screens. It is all inspired by the

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landscapes of East Yorkshire. Arts editor Will Gompertz went to meet

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the man described as Britain's greatest living artist and heard

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his views on art, life and fly- tipping.

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David Hockney's new exhibition is called A Bigger Picture because the

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pictures get bigger, and one is 10 metres wide. And the artist wants

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us to step back and think about a bigger picture. The majority of the

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exhibition his recent work, almost all of which is of the same subject,

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the landscape of East Yorkshire. You have swapped the sunny climes

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of Los Angeles for East Yorkshire. Why? Well, it wasn't planned. I

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tell my friends in Los Angeles, you know, they said, when are you

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coming back? Why are you there? I say, I am on location, as we say in

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Hollywood. I began to realise there was a very good subjective.

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much of the Hollywood hills are in these paintings? Remember,

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California has, you know, marvellous light, I mean that is

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why Hollywood is there, but East Yorkshire can have rather wonderful

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light. I mean, it is not quite as intense, but there is more variety

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in it. The worry about things like wind farms? -- do you worry? I mean,

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yes and no. There is beauty in everything in a way, even a wind

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farm. For instance, sometimes they dump rubbish in this lane, and of

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refrigerator, something like that. Sometimes I look at it and think,

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how could they do it? Other times I think, you know, it looks rather

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good next to that tree, rather absurd. There is a side of me that

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some have... It is not that bad! One of the things you have to live

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with these days is the moniker of being Britain's greatest living

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artist. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't mean much to me, actually.

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I mean, I live in a remote place, I tend to stay in it. I am not very

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social. Deafness played a part in all of this as well. Los Angeles

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Zoo is not too bad, New York is difficult. London is difficult. I

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like the quiet of the East Yorkshire. First there was

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Constable, then Turner, and now David Hockney is reinventing the

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way we look at the British landscape. Are you pleased with it?

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