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With a month to referendum day, a new warning of big job losses

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David Cameron and George Osborne step up their campaign,

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citing a Treasury report predicting dire economic consequences

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This could be, for the first time in history, a recession

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As I stand here in B, it would be a DIY recession.

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But for Boris Johnson and his Leave colleagues,

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campaigning in Yorkshire, the latest warnings are deeply

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I think that they're rattled on the Remain side of the campaign,

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because they're putting out more propaganda.

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We'll be examining the latest claims produced by the Treasury,

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and we'll have the latest on the campaign.

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Also tonight - In Syria, Islamic State say they were

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responsible for bombings in cities controlled by President Assad.

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Paul Wilson died of a nut allergy, after eating an Indian meal.

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Today restaurant owner Mohammed Zaman has been

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Protests in North Yorkshire, as the council approves

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the first fracking operation in the UK since 2011.

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And as Louis Van Gaal confirms he's been sacked by Manchester United,

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And coming up in Sportsday on BBC News: Andy Murray

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fails to find his range, as he battles back from two sets

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down, before bad light forced an early end to his first-round

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Just a month to the EU referendum, and there's a new intensity

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to the debate between those who want to remain and those

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From David Cameron and colleagues came the starkest warning

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yet of the potential economic effects of leaving.

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They said it would be a self-destruct option.

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But the response from the Leave campaign has been dismissive.

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They say the warnings are blatant propaganda.

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And the SNP leader, Nicola Sturgeon, who supports staying in, also warned

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that overblown Government warnings could alienate voters.

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Our economics editor, Kamal Ahmed, has the story.

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A month to go until the referendum, 30 more days for David Cameron

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and George Osborne to warn voters against what they call

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They chose B's head office in Hampshire to deliver both

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a pretty bad joke and a warning, leaving the EU would cost jobs,

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The shock to our economy after leaving Europe would tip

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This could be, for the first time in history, a recession

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As I stand here in B, it would be a DIY recession.

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This is the latest in a long line of gloomy assessments,

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from the Treasury, the International Monetary Fund

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Aren't you simply trying to scare people into voting to remain

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and given that you want to remain Prime Minister, whatever

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the outcome of the referendum, can you point to one economic

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benefit of Britain leaving the European Union?

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I think if you look at this forecast and take it together

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with other forecasts, you can see it is far

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Indeed, we're assuming in this document that a deal is done

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within two years between Britain and the European Union

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after we've left, which I think is very optimistic.

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In terms of your specific what are perceived advantages

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of leaving, that's obviously for those who leave to make

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the argument, I would say so far they have failed pretty dismally

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What does the Treasury's severe economic shock scenario look like?

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Let's start with GDP, our national income.

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The Treasury document suggests that could fall by 6%.

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It also talks about real incomes, saying they could fall by 4%

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and George Osborne suggested that would be at least ?800 for someone

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It also talks about unemployment and fears that could rise by 820,000

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within the next two years, if Britain does

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decide to leave the European Union.

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Well, if trade slows and economic uncertainty increases

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as the Treasury predicts, many believe the whole

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What the Treasury have essentially tried do is look at the effects

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of increased uncertainty, which would arise if we were to vote

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That very likely does reduce economic output,

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does reduce incomes relative to what they would have been before.

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They've come up with a set of forecasts which are at the upper

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end of, but not dissimilar to, those which a lot of other people

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So on the whole, this looks pretty robust.

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But will the economy suffer as much as this,

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the 1980s recession, which the Government claims could be

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The Chancellor from the time is dismissive, pointing out

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the Treasury has been wrong in the past.

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What they've done is they've assumed a disaster and then

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They've done this in order to scare the pants off the British people

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because they can't find anything positive to say

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They think that numbers are somehow more convincing than words,

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so if they make up the numbers, that is more convincing

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Even for fellow backers of the EU, there was a warning not

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I think we only have to look at the Scottish referendum to know

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that kind of fear-based campaigning starts to insult people's

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intelligence, can have a negative effect.

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I don't have complete control over how George Osborne

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I hope he and others will choose to campaign positively

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The Government is urging voters to be cautious,

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not to start on dangerous, do-it-yourself projects that

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could end, according to the Treasury, in disaster.

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But for Leave, this is about a brighter future,

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free from the shackles, as they see them, of the EU.

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As David Cameron and George Osborne stepped up their warnings today,

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their Conservative colleague Boris Johnson took the Vote Leave

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campaign bus to Yorkshire, insisting that the Treasury had been

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hopelessly wrong in previous forecasts and that there were very

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good economic reasons for Britain to leave the EU, with its stifling

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Our political correspondent, Vicki Young, reports from York.

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It's full throttle for the Leave campaign.

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Boris Johnson's critics say his views on the European Union

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But at a sports car factory in Leeds today, he insisted the EU

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Mr Johnson has accused his opponents of pumping out

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There's no doubt he can draw a crowd.

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I think that they're rattled on the Remain side of the campaign.

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In the centre of York he told onlookers it would be

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liberating for the UK to leave the EU and returned to one

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There are four directives of bananas.

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Do you think we need to be told by the EU what sort of bananas

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Putting Boris Johnson face to face with voters brings energy

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to the Leave campaign, but are people persuaded

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I just see a stronger Britain outside the European Union.

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Tonight, there was more pressing the flesh and a serious message

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If we vote leave, on June 23, I believe we will galvanise this

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country, our economy and our democracy, and we,

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in this country, will prosper and flourish and thrive

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With the headlines full of dire warnings about Brexit,

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the Leave campaign has struggled to set the agenda, but by sending

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Boris Johnson out to towns and cities across the country,

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they're hoping instead to generate enthusiasm amongst their supporters.

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Live to Westminster and talk to our political editor. With a month to

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go, let's talk about the tone of these campaigns, not least because

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you had Nicola Sturgeon today saying that overblown rhetoric, overblown

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warnings can back fire. I think there are doubts on both sides, to

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be honest. Whatever Nicola Sturgeon says about the Remain campaign,

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whatever some outers say about the mistakes or not of the vote leave

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official campaign, none of what we are seeing is happening by accident.

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It's all been carefully crafted, both sides believe that they are

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playing to their strengths. Day after day, we've seen the Prime

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Minister and the Chancellor side by side at shiny podiums, clutching

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official documents. They're trying to convey authority. Then we see

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again, day after day, Boris Johnson leaping off a battle bus, grabbing a

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microphone and jumping onto a soapbox. That side is trying to

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convey excitement, hoping to get their supporters fizzing with energy

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and dragging their friends along to the ballot box with them next month.

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They're doing that because both sides are trying to manage what we

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might call the enthusiasm gap. Private research I've seen suggests

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more than ten million people are very enthusiastic about the idea of

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leaving the EU, on the other side, only around five million people

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might be enthusiastic about actually staying in. That is a very

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significant gap, when it comes to motivation. Although they are ahead

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in the polls, you can see why George Osborne and David Cameron, day after

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day, want to make this feel like it really, really matters. Because in

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politics you can win all the arguments that you like, you can

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have all sorts of people on your side, but if you can't get your

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voters out to the polls, then you're sunk in. A month's time those polls

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will just have closed. My goodness, it's going to be tight. Thanks very

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much, Laura. And a reminder that you can get more

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analysis of the claims and counter claims around today's Treasury

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figures on our website: There have been a series of car

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bombings in Syria in two coastal cities controlled

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by President Assad. The group calling itself Islamic

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State said it was responsible. Syrian state media said at least 78

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people were killed in Tartous and Jableh, but activists

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put the number of dead Our security correspondent,

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Frank Gardner, reports. Syria, struck today in places

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many thought were safe. Four bombs sent by the so-called

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Islamic State ripped through the coastal towns of Tartous and Jableh,

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killing dozens, mostly civilians. TRANSLATION: The explosion happened

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as I was parking. I was standing here. The car behind me got burnt

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and I saw martyrs on the ground. This is not destiny. These are

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terrorist acts. This is significant. This is the

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heart land of Syria's President Assad's support base.

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The towns are also close to the Russian

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There are fears that this attack could even

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intensify the Syrian Civil War to the advantage of Islamic State, also

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We will obviously continue efforts to destroy Daesh in

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the region, we understand that Daesh represents a threat that is palpable

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Islamic State is coming under pressure on the battlefield.

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It is still a long way from being defeated.

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You can see here where they are active in the Middle East,

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they have certainly lost ground in the last 12 months.

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Most recently they had to retreat from Palmyra.

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Their control of the Syrian Turkish border has shrunk dramatically.

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But these latest attacks show that Islamic State is still capable of

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In Fallujah, the jihadists are now digging in for a long fight.

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The Iraqi government has sent its forces to try and retake that city

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from IS. But it won't be easy. If IS, also known as Isis, does lose

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Fallujah, then it's likely to lash out elsewhere, including in Europe.

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Isis today isn't as strong as it used to be in 2014, when it declared

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the caliphate and took over most of Iraq's city. However, it's able to

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claim attacks in places like Yemen and Libya, which we haven't heard of

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before. The fight for Fallujah could take

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months, while it rages, IS is likely to continue striking in unexpected

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places unexpected The owner of an Indian restaurant

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in north Yorkshire has been jailed of peanut, despite being warned

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that the customer, 38 year-old Mohammed Zamman was found

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guilty of manslaughter. It's thought the case

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will set a legal precedent for all food suppliers,

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as our correspondent, Paul Wilson knows he has a severe

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nut allergy, and tells the waiter, it's written down, "No nuts".

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But the meal the 38-year-old walked out with did have nuts in.

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Just before he ate it he called his mum.

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He was home, he'd got his curry and his last words were, "I love

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The restaurant owner, Mohammed Zaman, was today convicted

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With large business debts, he'd cut corners and swapped

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expensive almond powder for cheaper ground nut powder

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And it wasn't the first time a customer with a nut allergy had

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As soon as I tasted it, I could feel my lips swelling up

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Student Ruby Scott ordered a supposedly nut-free meal from one

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of Zaman's other restaurants a few weeks earlier, but it

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I don't know whether they just don't know how severe a peanut allergy is.

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I think a lot of people think it's just a stomach ache,

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but it is actually very life-threatening.

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On the night Paul Wilson died, police were quickly round here

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Zaman's food had again caused a severe allergic reaction.

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Then, astonishingly, the day afterwards,

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Trading Standards came here to buy a meal which apparently had no nuts

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in it, but when they tested it they found it had enough peanuts

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to potentially kill someone with the allergy.

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Police say the case sends out a warning.

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The message goes out that if anybody else operates their business

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in a similar sort of way they could possibly face prosecution

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Paul Wilson's parents say their only son was their whole world.

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His dad says Paul was his best friend.

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The restaurant owner responsible for his death repeatedly lied

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during his trial and was utterly indifferent to the health

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North Yorkshire County Council has taken the significant step

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of allowing fracking for shale gas to take place.

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It's the first time permission has been granted in England since 2011,

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following two minor earthquakes near Blackpool.

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The company, Third Energy, has applied to use fracking

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Our industry correspondent, John Moylan, is in Northallerton,

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where the planning meeting took place.

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Here in North Yorkshire campaigners have been fighting this

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plan for two years and today there was anger and disappointment that

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fracking in England has been given the green light.

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I'm devastated because I feel like our council has

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There has been a large probably Tory block vote where they

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didn't stand up and say why they are voting against what seems

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like eminently sensible reasons to refuse

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It was the most controversial application these councillors have

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In the end it passed with a show of hands.

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This is a landmark moment which put this well

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and this site at the forefront of the fracking debate in Britain.

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Now this decision could yet face a legal

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challenge but in theory they could be producing

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shale gas from here in

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the North Yorkshire countryside by the end of the year.

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The well at Kirby Misperton was drilled in 2013,

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fracking will take place at depths of 7000-10,000 feet.

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Sand, water and chemicals will be injected at high pressure which

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opens up fractures in the shale rocks allowing gas to

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escape and be pumped back to the surface.

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But in the village which is also home to one of

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the region's top attractions, there are concerns.

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We get 150 coaches a day in summer to Flamingo Land, where I

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So you tell me, how are we going to cope with the extra

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Concerns about health and the risks to health,

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particularly air pollution, although there is noise

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Third Energy could now be fracking by the end of the year.

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We are relieved and glad that we have

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That and the work that has gone into it should

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assure people that we will execute the work safely and without any

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Tonight the government welcomed the decision.

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Friends of the Earth said it was considering a judicial

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The shale gas revolution in Britain still faces challenges ahead.

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John Moylan, BBC News, North Yorkshire.

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The United Nations says it wants to investigate evidence

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of civilian deaths - at the hands of Turkish

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security forces - fighting Kurdish militants

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Local people say up to 160 civilians have been killed

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in the town of Cizre - including 100 in a single incident.

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The deaths allegedly happened earlier this year -

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during a military campaign targeting the armed Kurdish group the PKK.

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Turkey, the European Union and the United States classify

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dismissed the allegations of civilian casualties.

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Our Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen sent this report from Cizre.

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In a beautiful place, these are dark times.

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War has come back to the

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The long fight between Turkey and the PKK, the armed

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For 78 days from December to March, the focus was Cizre,

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When the Turks lifted the curfew and pulled

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back local people went into

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three basements, looking for traces of at least 100 men, women and

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Only a few charred bone fragments were left,

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local people believe Turkish security forces massacred

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On the 30th of January Kurdish MPs were on the phone promising

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When Turkish forces stormed into one of

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Before the troops left they bulldozed flat the ruins of the

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areas wrecked in the fighting, they had been PKK strongholds.

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No crime scene investigators were able to get

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to the basements before they were filled with rubble.

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The army took bodies away, Human Rights Watch

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This man took me to the site of the basements, his

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He says Turkey's European allies are letting

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Turning a blind eye to get Turkish help with

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Europe is blatantly watched all those atrocities because of the

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I'm not bothered about Europe any more, what they did or

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didn't do, the whole world is responsible

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The UN wants to send human rights investigators to this wasteland.

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There's no physical trace left of the lives that thousands of

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civilians, Kurdish civilians, lived in this part of the town.

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This is about more than personal tragedies.

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It's deeply involved in the war in Syria

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The EU hope that Turkey will be a big

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part of the solution to the

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So, instability in Turkey is a problem

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for Europe, and it's a problem for the Middle East.

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In Ankara, the capital, the government denies any

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In March a suicide bomber from a PKK splinter group

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The government blames the PKK for civilian deaths.

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They did not allow people to leave their homes.

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While we were there not one person complained

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While we were there not one person complained to me

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Well, Turkey would not kill its own citizens.

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Turkey's military operations have moved on.

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This is near the borders of Syria and Iraq.

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The Turks say they are going to finish the PKK once and for all.

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This woman isn't listening, her 20-year-old son was killed in

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In Austria, an independent candidate and former

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Green Party leader has won the country's

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presidential election - narrowly defeating his far-right

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Alexander van der Bellen was neck-and-neck with Norbert Hofer

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after the initial count - but today after including postal

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ballots - he was declared the winner with 50.3% of the vote.

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Our Europe editor Katya Adler is in Vienna.

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The far right came very close here to winning and of course the

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migration crisis has been a very big factor in the campaign so what will

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the rest of the EU be reading into that? Of course Austria took one of

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the highest numbers of asylum seekers in Europe last year and it

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is struggling to integrate. Tipped to win was a candidate from the

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right-wing populist Eurosceptic, Islam questioning Freedom party. Was

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Austria returning to the far right? Could this be a taste of things to

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come in the rest of Europe? In Denmark, Italy and France where

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right-wing nationalists are gaining influence. The reality is less

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black-and-white. Just over half Austrian 's chose a pro-EU

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president, more than 2 million voters for the defeated Freedom

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party wouldn't dream of calling themselves far right but rather

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angry and scared about mass migration and economic uncertainty.

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They say traditional parties and bigwigs in Brussels are listening

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and a former Austrian Vice Chancellor said to me today, for the

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trend to be reversed in Europe and in Austria, the window of

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opportunity is closing. Thank you very much.

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After two years in charge at Old Trafford,

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Louis van Gaal has been sacked as manager of Manchester United -

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despite winning the FA Cup on Saturday.

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The former Chelsea boss, Jose Mourinho, is expected to be

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Our sports correspondent Katie Gornall reports from Manchester.

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As Louis van Gaal left the training ground this afternoon there were no

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words, just a wave goodbye. His final act as Manchester United

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manager. Tonight, then made and that it was all over, Edward Wood

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congratulated van Gaal on his excellent work in the past few

:26:28.:26:33.

years. Adding that he had behaved with professionalism and dignity.

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Van Gaal said it had been an huge honour to manage a magnificent club.

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I believe that the foundations are firmly in place to enable the club

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to move forward and achieve even greater success. How different his

:26:48.:26:54.

mood was on Saturday, here at Wembley he celebrated as United won

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their first FA Cup in 12 years. The club had already decided his time

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was up. For the majority of clubs winning the FA Cup would be a

:27:05.:27:07.

springboard to the next season but for us it's been the finale. I want

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Manchester United to act in the best interests of the club, treat van

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Gaal right, he has had a great career, I'm only sorry it has ended

:27:17.:27:21.

this way for him. It started to seriously unravel for van Gaal in

:27:22.:27:25.

December when the club in George their worst form in 26 years. The

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team struggled to score and managed only 49 goals all season which meant

:27:31.:27:34.

they failed to qualify for the Champions League, missing out on

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goal difference. Now they turn to former Chelsea manager Jose

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Mourinho, today in London he gave no hint he was about to step into one

:27:43.:27:45.

of the biggest jobs in world football. He's a very intelligent

:27:46.:27:50.

manager, tactically very good and he gets the very best out of every

:27:51.:27:55.

player. Mourinho can be controversial but his methods bring

:27:56.:27:59.

success. This time United hope they have a manager who is the right fit.

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There have been further developments tonight, we understand that the

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announcement was delayed to allow Louis van Gaal to leave the country,

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they have made an offer to Ryan Giggs to stay and he will think

:28:12.:28:15.

about it, and the hierarchy will meet with the agent of Jose Mourinho

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tomorrow and that is when we think a deal will be agreed. Thanks very

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much, Katie. With just a month to go

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to the EU referendum - we're asking about the factors that

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are likely to influence the way people vote -

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and one of those factors is age. Recent polls suggest that 70

:28:32.:28:34.

per cent of those aged under 25 - It's very different

:28:35.:28:37.

for those aged over 65 - nearly 60 per cent said they'd

:28:38.:28:41.

vote to leave. Our home editor Mark Easton

:28:42.:28:44.

is in Eastbourne with more This is a town that likes to look

:28:45.:28:58.

out at the pier and across the water to its continental neighbours. And

:28:59.:29:02.

how people react to their neighbours really depends on their generation.

:29:03.:29:06.

It's interesting, the generation that voted us into Europe, the EC

:29:07.:29:12.

back in 75 now wants to vote out and the generation that has never known

:29:13.:29:15.

anything different wants to vote in and I've been trying to find out

:29:16.:29:17.

why. -- the EEC. On England's southern shore

:29:18.:29:20.

Eastbourne is a mix of young and Some parts of the town full

:29:21.:29:22.

of student digs and in others the At an over 50s club

:29:23.:29:27.

a creative writing class where every single member tells me

:29:28.:29:33.

they'll be voting to leave the EU. Where you live, 80-odd people,

:29:34.:29:41.

overwhelming support for Out? I think basically they probably want

:29:42.:29:45.

to get the England that they knew We are diminishing

:29:46.:29:48.

with our say, we are just one in eight or nine,

:29:49.:29:57.

now one in 32, we're I think it's ridiculous that the EU

:29:58.:30:00.

have dictated to us over immigration, that we've got no

:30:01.:30:06.

control over our borders. Across town students dance

:30:07.:30:08.

to a different tune. Among these trainee physical

:30:09.:30:19.

education teachers, every single

:30:20.:30:21.

person tells me they'll be I think your generation appears

:30:22.:30:27.

to be more comfortable with Times have changed from the way

:30:28.:30:30.

that our grandads and grandmas' generation, diversity has

:30:31.:30:37.

become more accepted. I don't do the same things as my

:30:38.:30:41.

grandma used to do back in the day. There is an argument

:30:42.:30:45.

that huge numbers of Europeans coming to

:30:46.:30:52.

the I can't think of one British thing

:30:53.:30:53.

that we have to lose. You do have immigrants who can cause

:30:54.:31:01.

problems and everyone are worried about, but then again

:31:02.:31:06.

you have immigrants who come in who have contributed

:31:07.:31:10.

to our country so much. With such different views

:31:11.:31:19.

on Britain's relationship with his neighbours across the water we

:31:20.:31:21.

decided to invite representatives of both groups to meet here

:31:22.:31:23.

on Eastbourne's historic pier. We took the search for common ground

:31:24.:31:25.

to the pier's tearoom. These Europeans are taking billions

:31:26.:31:35.

of money, why would you want to stay I think it is a matter

:31:36.:31:39.

of accessibility for us. A lot of us are training to be

:31:40.:31:43.

teachers and would like to be able to go

:31:44.:31:46.

and teach abroad and we feel that if we do come out then our chance

:31:47.:31:49.

of that would be jeopardised and it

:31:50.:31:52.

would not be so accessible. They are interfering

:31:53.:31:54.

with our way of life. We didn't ask them to

:31:55.:31:56.

but they are Everybody keeps coming over to us

:31:57.:31:58.

and we are going over to I didn't mean to sound

:31:59.:32:06.

rude but we are going to be here longer

:32:07.:32:09.

than you are so therefore we should have more say on it

:32:10.:32:12.

because we are the ones who like to go to Europe

:32:13.:32:15.

and travel in Europe and might study in Europe

:32:16.:32:17.

and therefore I believe our views

:32:18.:32:18.

are more valid than yours. Actually older people are much more

:32:19.:32:21.

likely to vote in the referendum than

:32:22.:32:23.

the young, so their voice will be Young or old, it's who takes part

:32:24.:32:25.

that may well decide Britain's future relationship

:32:26.:32:32.

with its neighbours over the water. A quick reminder that Newsnight is

:32:33.:32:45.

coming on BBC Two, special programme asking what kind of country the UK

:32:46.:32:47.

would be

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