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A British fighter with so-called Islamic State was a former

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detainee of Guantanamo - and it's claimed became

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IS released a picture of Ronald Fiddler smiling before -

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they claim - he bombed Iraqi troops outside Mosul.

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As fighting there continues, how to stop people from Britain

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slipping through the net to join IS.

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When you have the dozens if not hundreds of suspects,

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there is very little that the security services

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can do to monitor all of them, all of the time.

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So how did Ronald Fiddler from Manchester end up

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A straight couple lose their battle for a civil partnership

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but the court admits the current policy should change.

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We investigate people trafficking into the UK -

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and why the biggest share comes from Albania.

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A manhunt for a convicted murderer who's gone

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on the run after a hospital visit in Merseyside.

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# You're never too big for your boots.

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And could Grime artist Stormzy take the Brits by storm

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And coming up in Sportsday on BBC News.

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Manchester City produce an impressive display against Monaco

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in tonight's last 16 Champions League tie.

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Manchester City have got another one and they have come from behind

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A British fighter who so-called Islamic State claim died

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in a suicide bombing in Iraq was a former detainee

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Fifty year old Ronald Fiddler was released from there in 2004

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and was reportedly given compensation of up to a million

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IS claim that he detonated a car bomb in the last few days

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at an Iraqi Army base South West of Mosul.

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There's been fierce fighting there involving Iraqi troops

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Our Security Correspondent, Frank Gardner, reports.

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The face of a suicide bomber. A British man, used by so-called

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Islamic State to blow himself up in Iraq. Hello? Is that the stock

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market? He was born Ronald Fiddler from Manchester, changing his name

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later. This is him soon after his release, from 28 years in US

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detention in Guantanamo Bay. You know I mean business. This is where

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he chose to end his life. Mosul in northern Iraq. Here at the BBC has

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been covering the intense fighting by Iraqi forces to dislodge IS from

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the second city. Outgunned and outmanned, the jihadist have had to

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resort to booby-traps and suicide bombers to try and slow down the

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Iraqi advance. His journey began after the 9/11 attacks and in 2001

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he travelled to Pakistan. He was arrested the same year and

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eventually taken to the US base in Kandahar. In 2002 he was transferred

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to Guantanamo Bay. Two years later he was repatriated to Britain and

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released, reportedly winning compensation from the government.

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Then in April 2014, he entered Syria from Turkey to join IS as a fighter.

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I am mystified as to how this person travelled out to Syria and I can

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only assume under our false passport, as people who have served

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time in Guantanamo Bay would have been watched carefully by the

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British and American intelligence agencies. He was one of hundreds of

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men taken from Afghanistan to be imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay without

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trial. Britain lobbied for his release and he later spoke about the

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abuses he suffered there. Did he fool the British Government? When

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you have the dozens if not hundreds of suspects, there is very little

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that the security services can do to monitor all of them, all of the

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time. Speaking to Panorama after his release from Guantanamo Bay, his

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family spoke of the transformation they saw in him. He may have changed

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a little bit when he converted to be a Muslim, he may have changed in

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that he did not do all the bad things, like going to clubs, going

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out and meeting girls, smoking, drinking... He turned into a placid

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person. In the end, it seems he chose to die for a group that has

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committed unspeakable acts on innocent people.

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The claim that Ronald Fiddler has blown himself up came from so-called

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Islamic State and it has to be treated with caution. Can any

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lessons be learned? The pipeline of British and European jihadist who

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were two or three years ago flooding across the Turkish border into

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territory controlled by IS at that has dried up and it is hard for them

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to cross the border. The lessons are, Guantanamo Bay, incredibly bad

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in terms of the ideological fight against extremism. It makes it very

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difficult for America, Britain and other countries, whose nationals

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side there are two men taking any kind of moral high ground, because

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they were imprisoned without trial. This is very active, we talk about

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reopening it. There is the question of what you do about the 400

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estimated British jihadist who is still out there. If they do not die

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on the battlefields are they going to come back. How do you decide who

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is safe, do you believe the people who say they have turned their back

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on all of that, most people will want to do exactly that, some may

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have other ideas. That is the challenge for the government now.

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Three judges at the Court of Appeal have made it clear the current

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system in which only gay couples can have a civil partnership -

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and not straight couples - cannot continue indefinitely.

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While they rejected a challenge by a heterosexual couple from London

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who want a civil partnership , they acknowledged the couple

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had a potential case for discrimination -

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increasing pressure on the government to consider

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Here's our Our Home Editor Mark Easton.

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In 2005, Elton John and David Furnish became one

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of the first gay couples to form a civil partnership,

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the Government's answer to growing demands that homosexual partners

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enjoy equal rights to married heterosexual couples.

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In 2014, Elton and David had another wedding,

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converting their civil partnership to a same-sex marriage as the law

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extended marriage rights to homosexuals.

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Thousands of gay and lesbian weddings followed.

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But evolving rights for same-sex couples

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got some heterosexual partners like Rebecca Steinfield and Charles

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Keidan asking the courts why they couldn't have the same choice.

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They didn't fancy the baggage of getting

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married, but wanted the legal protection of a civil partnership.

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Today, at the High Court, they lost their case,

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but claimed the detail of the judgment meant they'd won the

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All three of the judges agreed that we're being treated

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differently because of our sexual orientation and that this impacts

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All three rejected the argument that we

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All three emphasised that the Government

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cannot maintain the status quo for much longer.

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The judges said they thought Government should have more

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We are handing down our judgments today...

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Ministers have been wrestling about what to do

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about civil parer partnership ever since same-sex marriage became legal

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It is an important matter of social policy.

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Ministers ordered a review, which under helpfully

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simply told them the public was deeply divided on the issue, keeping

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them as they are, extending them to all or abolishing them completely

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all options on civil partnerships were opposed so the Government

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Some dismissed civil partnerships as a

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political stopgap, a second rate marriage.

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They confer the same rights as marriage, the right to be

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next of kin, access to your partner's estate and their pension

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but, unlike marriage, adultery is not grounds for

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Thousands of same-sex couples have converted

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full marriage and there's been a big drop

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Government has always said it wanted to see what effect same-sex marriage

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Some now argue they've had long enough.

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The Government has to wake up and smell the coffee.

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There is a growing feeling this needs to

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There's a growing appreciation, backed up by the court

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today, that this is inequality that cannot go on.

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The problem for ministers is thatle having invented

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civil partnerships they cannot uninvent them and whatever they do

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Merseyside Police are this evening hunting for a convicted murderer

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who was helped by two armed men to escape during a hospital

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28-year-old Shaun Walmsley fled from Aintree University Hospital

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as he was getting into a car with prison officers.

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Our correspondent, Judith Moritz, is at the hospital.

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Judith, what more can you tell us about what happened?

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Shaun Walmsley was brought here for a hospital appointment this

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afternoon and he was escorted from Liverpool prison around three miles

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away by two prison officers who were about to take him back to jail when

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they were ambushed as they were getting into a car. They were

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stopped by two men who had their faces covered and they were

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brandishing, we understand, a gun and a knife and they threaten the

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prison guards and force them to let Shaun Walmsley go and then they

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escaped with the prisoner in a gold coloured Volvo.

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The prison officers were not injured and they were able to raise the

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alarm quickly and Merseyside Police say they are involved in an

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extensive search, they are combing CCTV and they say they are working

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with the Ministry of Justice and other police forces nationwide to

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track down Shaun Walmsley. They described him as dangerous. He was

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sentenced to life imprisonment in 2015 for murder and Merseyside

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Police say he is still potentially in the company of the two men who

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escaped with them and they may be armed and they have told members of

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the public who have information and who may have seen the group, not to

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approach them but instead to call the police.

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More than three thousand people are trafficked

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into the UK every year, according to official statistics -

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They come from all over the world, but by far the biggest

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In 2015, this relatively small country accounted for over

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600 potential victims - about a fifth of the total.

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Of those, the vast majority were female, and most of them

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The authorities in Albania have been criticised for failing to crack down

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on the problem with just 18 convictions last year.

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My colleague Reeta Chakrabarti has been speaking to some

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Blessed with natural beauty, but the centre of a dark trade.

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Albania has over two decades built up a brutal industry, with human

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TRANSLATION: I hate them and I want them to get

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Saya, now still a teenager, was just 14 when she was sold

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into a trafficking ring by a man she thought was her boyfriend.

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She was forced to sleep with several men a day and tells of a bewildering

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and terrifying world of abuse in which she could trust no one.

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TRANSLATION: There were other girls there as well, but I did not talk

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to them because you could not tell who was connected to whom.

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They would beat us up and not let us go out.

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To be controlled by someone, to be used as I was,

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She lives here in a refuge for trafficked women

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But these are schoolgirls here, and some already have

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Saya helped put some of hers behind bars.

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Several convicted traffickers are held here in this

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Last year 18 people were sentenced, some

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The Albanian authorities let us talk to one of them.

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This man was sentenced to 15 years for trafficking children to Greece

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and forcing them to work as prostitutes or beggars.

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What made him, a married man with his own children,

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TRANSLATION: It was a time where everyone was doing

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You used a child in order to earn some money, isn't

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What if that were my child and someone did that to them?

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He faced justice but Albania has been criticised for a lack

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of prosecutions and there are concerns over police collusion.

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Some senior figures question whether trafficking is a real

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problem but the official line is that there are systems

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We had a system in place, and it was not an increasing trend,

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it is constant but it has to be tackled properly and to make always

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It is away from the modern capital city that all too often

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Albania remains a poor country and in many areas a woman's role

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Young women in small-town Albania can be easy prey for grooomer

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who seduce them with promises of a better life.

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That better life is invariably outside Albania but Anna

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TRANSLATION: He said he was looking for a girl

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She is now in a safe house in the UK, duped into leaving home

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and then sold into prostitution, she weeps throughout our

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interview but insists she wants to tell her story.

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TRANSLATION: I was somewhere underground with no sense

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Anna is now supported in this safe house run by the Salvation Army.

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She has a baby which gives her a reason to carry on.

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Her story should trigger alarm in authorities

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A broken life caused by a brutal crime.

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Hospital services across nearly two-thirds of England

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BBC analysis of plans to transform the health service and save costs

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in 44 areas has found that 28 of them affect hospital care,

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to centralising services on fewer sites.

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NHS England argues that the plans will allow them to put

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more resources into care in the community.

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NHS budgets in England are rising, but patient demand

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Now, each local area has been told to come up

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At this Nottingham Trust, seen here recently,

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they want to shift resources out of hospitals and into the community.

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If somebody is in a hospital bed, that costs a lot of money per day.

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If that could be better spent, by giving people the care

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they need in the community, then we can reinvest that money

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But the plan involves cutting 200 hospital beds at two sites and local

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campaigners are concerned that patient care will suffer.

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If we take out 200 beds, have we got the real capacity

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and professionalism to deal with those patients

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We've seen massive cuts in social care and we need to be assured

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that we can have the full professional capacity

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The NHS in England is under extreme pressure simply trying to deal

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with the daily needs of patients, budgets are overstretched,

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so trying to carry out an ambitious transformation programme,

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which itself requires more investment, is going

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Local health and social care leaders in England have drawn up

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what are known as sustainability and transformation plans or STPs,

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BBC analysis has found that in 28, cuts to services are proposed,

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these include plans to downgrade A units, schemes to centralise

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maternity services and to close some hospitals with resources

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Hi, I'm Cathy, I've just come to see how you are.

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The plans also involve concentrating specialist care

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For one part of London, cancer experts are being brought

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together in one hospital, covering a population

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So having a big team means we've been able to think of new ways,

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new models of giving treatments to patients close to their home.

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So a good example is breast cancer chemothearpy,

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where we're now testing a model where patients can now

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self-administer their own drugs in their own home.

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Elsewhere in the UK, there are differing approaches.

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In Scotland, there are hubs where GPs work alongside social

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Welsh local authorities and NHS bodies are pooling budgets

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Whatever the proposed solutions, the big challenges for the NHS

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An Israeli soldier who killed a wounded Palestinian

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attacker has been sentenced to 18-months in prison.

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A military court convicted Elor Azaria of manslaughter

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for shooting dead Abdul Fatah al-Sharif as he lay

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badly hurt on the ground in the occupied West Bank.

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Some Israelis have called for the soldier to be pardoned,

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Palestinians have condemned the sentence as too lenient.

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The Prime Minister, Theresa May, has held talks with the French

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presidential candidate, Emmanuel Macron.

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The presidential frontrunner said he would like UK banks and workers

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This evening, Mr Macron held a rally to addressed some of the 200,000

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French voters in the capital who make London effectively

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The Government took in more money that it spent last month,

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according to the Office for National Statistics.

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The first month of the year traditionally sees a surplus

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because of the high level of receipts from income tax.

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But at ?9.4 billion, the surplus last month

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I'm joined by our economics editor, Kamal Ahmed.

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What can we draw from this? How many times have we sat on this set and

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said a barrowing black hole for the Government. Today, there seems to be

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borrowing green shoots. It's down to the performance of the economy, both

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before and after the referendum. It's been much stronger than people

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thought. When the economy is performing strongly, businesses make

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more profits. They start to pay more tax to the Government, people's

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earnings go up, slightly more quickly, they pay more tax to the

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government. That all feeds into these good borrowing numbers today.

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Of course, we are already starting to look towards the Budget, which is

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on 8th March next month. What does it mean for that? I think a couple

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of things. The Office for Budget Responsibility, the official

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economic watch dog dog for the country will upgrade growth again

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for 2017, good for borrowing. The Chancellor may have some money to

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play with. Could he help on that business rates controversy and help

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with the NHS and social care? To be clear, officials I spoke to in the

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Treasury over recent days have been clear that Mr Hammond wants to

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balance the books. There is a concern in the Treasury, there

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hasn't been a Brexit impact on the economy yet, but with Article 50 to

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be triggered, with the tough negotiations ahead about leaving the

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European Union, if there is going to be a Brexit effect, any money they

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will have now they will want to save up and spend later to mitigate some

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of those economic risks. Kamal, thank you.

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Next week, Northern Ireland returns to the polls just nine months

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The power-sharing Government fell apart last month

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after the Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness, resigned,

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amid a complete break down of relations between the DUP

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Bitter words between the former Coalition partners have fuelled

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memories of divisive elections from Northern Ireland's past,

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ARCHIVE: Well, one place that the polls so far

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and our own computer can't really help us is Northern Ireland.

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How elections are reported has changed over the decades.

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ARCHIVE: The real issue before the Ulster voters has not been

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But in Northern Ireland, it sometimes feels like the politics

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Throughout the years, votes have often been

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presented as a battle between Irish Nationalism

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and British Unionism and it's clear those old divisions run deep

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in the bad blood of this current campaign.

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Well, the allegation is that in Northern Ireland we don't have

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enough respect for Orangemen to walk down a road for 10 minutes.

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This heated election follows the collapse of Stormont's

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power-sharing Government and there is frustration among

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voters following allegations of incompetence and even corruption.

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It's time they all got their act together, learnt to work together

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and put power-sharing and all it stood for into practice.

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Ian Paisley's hardlined voice softened with age and he eventually

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lead his Democratic Unionist Party into Government with Sinn Fein,

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but 10 years later there's a new DUP leader and Irish Republicans

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are once again being portrayed as the enemy.

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If you feed a crocodile, they're going to keep coming back

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Arlene Foster was forced from the office of First Minister

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when Sinn Fein walked out of Government over a financial

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scandal surrounding a botched green energy initiative.

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She was the minister in charge when the scheme was designed

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inexplicable without cost controls, but she's not asking

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for forgiveness, she's fighting back with what are,

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I mean, if you've listened to what I've said, I've said I want

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devolution back up and running again so that we can have

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Do you regret any of your words over the last months?

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Well, maybe that's a question you should ask other parties

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because when you look at the brutality of what happened

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to me, in December, in January, when you look at the rhetoric

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that was directed towards me, I think we should all

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Stormont's opposition parties are back out on the road,

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campaigning again, including the nationalist SDLP.

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But they all know that there's no guarantee

:23:42.:23:44.

of a new power-sharing deal and that means there is a chance that

:23:45.:23:48.

Westminster might have to take over Government here,

:23:49.:23:49.

at least for a period, through what's known as direct rule.

:23:50.:23:53.

We could have exactly the same result or we could have

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The problem is, if we get the same result, we end up with direct rule

:23:57.:24:06.

and once we have direct rule, I'm not sure we'll get the Assembly

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With all the cosy appearances now gone at Stormont,

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the cross-community Alliance Party believes people have been

:24:13.:24:14.

given a taste of just how bitter things have become.

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Every time we have an election, we get this sectarian rhetoric,

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we get this divisive rhetoric, and it drags the community back

:24:20.:24:22.

to a place that I don't really think we need to be.

:24:23.:24:25.

It sometimes feels like all politics here is dominated by unionism

:24:26.:24:29.

or nationalism, but there are real issues worrying people too,

:24:30.:24:32.

including health, education, the economy and Brexit.

:24:33.:24:35.

I think the public, by in large, have moved on and I think us

:24:36.:24:40.

as politicians have a bit of catching up to do.

:24:41.:24:44.

I don't get depressed too often, but when I listened to one

:24:45.:24:52.

of the last debates and possibly the youngest DUP member's

:24:53.:24:54.

contribution, it did get me down because he stood up looking sympathy

:24:55.:24:57.

because it had been a very difficult 10 years for the DUP and it had been

:24:58.:25:01.

difficult because they don't want to share power.

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Martin McGuinness, who made the journey from IRA leader

:25:04.:25:05.

to Deputy First Minister, stepped down ahead of this election.

:25:06.:25:08.

The new face of the Sinn Fein leadership in Northern Ireland

:25:09.:25:11.

is Michelle O'Neill, and she doesn't have the

:25:12.:25:23.

paramilitary past of her predecessor, but she's been

:25:24.:25:25.

criticised for speaking at an IRA commemoration during this campaign.

:25:26.:25:27.

I attended the commemoration of four young fellas

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Four young fellas that found themselves in

:25:30.:25:32.

But they were also four young men who were involved in an IRA attack

:25:33.:25:37.

And we'll always have a different narrative on the past,

:25:38.:25:40.

but that's where we need to get to in society, where

:25:41.:25:43.

we actually understand that we have a different narrative.

:25:44.:25:45.

It's undeniable that the peace process has changed Northern Ireland

:25:46.:25:47.

for the better, but the pictures of political togetherness

:25:48.:25:50.

seem somewhat dated now and after this election,

:25:51.:25:52.

it could take many months to get an agreement that would allow

:25:53.:25:56.

Manchester City's manager, Pep Guardiola, said his club's

:25:57.:26:04.

critics would "kill them" if they didn't reach

:26:05.:26:06.

the quarter-final of the Champions League.

:26:07.:26:09.

Tonight, at the Etihad, they firmly kept the target

:26:10.:26:12.

in their sights in what can only be described as a goal-extravaganza.

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They faced Monaco in the first leg and won 5-3.

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Our sports correspondent, Andy Swiss, reports.

:26:19.:26:23.

Manchester City, Monaco and a goal feast.

:26:24.:26:29.

City burst out of the blocks, Raheem Sterling with

:26:30.:26:31.

Radamel Falcao, once a United player, back to haunt City.

:26:32.:26:41.

And the hosts' frustration only increased as Mbappe thumped Monaco

:26:42.:26:44.

Well, that was nothing as next, City's keeper saved a penalty

:26:45.:26:53.

and Monaco's had a howler, Aguero somehow squirming it

:26:54.:26:55.

Well, this moment of magic from Falcao.

:26:56.:27:04.

Monaco 3-2 up, City once again in deep trouble.

:27:05.:27:10.

But thrillingly, remarkably, they turned it round.

:27:11.:27:14.

Aguero levelled it up again before goals from Stones and Sane completed

:27:15.:27:17.

For the City fans, quite dazzling drama and a night

:27:18.:27:20.

Yes, one of the most extraordinary games you'll ever see. City do still

:27:21.:27:30.

have some work to do in the second leg, a 2-0 win would be enough for

:27:31.:27:34.

Monaco, for now, at least, the fans here won't be worrying about that.

:27:35.:27:40.

They can just celebrate a quite, unforgettable night, Fiona. Andy, at

:27:41.:27:42.

the Etihad, thank you. Sutton United's reserve goalkeeper

:27:43.:27:47.

has resigned from the club after being investigated by the FA

:27:48.:27:49.

for potentially Wayne Shaw was caught on camera

:27:50.:27:51.

eating a pie during the club's FA Before the match,

:27:52.:27:56.

a bookmaker had offered odds Its the biggest night

:27:57.:28:01.

in British Music, tomorrow night's Brit Awards will have their usual

:28:02.:28:11.

glamour and potential for a bit of rock and roll misbehaviour,

:28:12.:28:19.

but they'll also have a big Last year's awards were labelled

:28:20.:28:22.

"an embarrassment" by one grime artist, Stormzy,

:28:23.:28:25.

after they failed to This year, he's been nominated

:28:26.:28:27.

for Breakthrough Artist. Here's our entertainment

:28:28.:28:30.

reporter, Chi Chi Izundu. # You're getting well too

:28:31.:28:32.

big for your boots #. ..he has millions of followers

:28:33.:28:35.

on social media and his music has He has global deals with huge

:28:36.:28:38.

brands, but 24-year-old Michael Omari hasn't even

:28:39.:28:41.

released his debut album yet. But this homegrown British sound

:28:42.:28:44.

wasn't even recognised by last year's industry experts

:28:45.:28:51.

for the Brits, they didn't nominate any artist from the Grime scene

:28:52.:28:54.

and Stormzy showed his frustration. # And the mighties

:28:55.:28:56.

nominate for Brixton, Because I had a lyric

:28:57.:29:00.

where I kind of highlighted that issue and said,

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what's that about? After discussions,

:29:08.:29:08.

the Brits increased Stormzy says giving the genre

:29:09.:29:15.

the same recognition as pop or rock will increase its popularity

:29:16.:29:29.

and his appeal. I still consider myself

:29:30.:29:31.

to be in this, like, weird, limbo area of,

:29:32.:29:33.

like, where a lot of my peers and all, you know what I mean,

:29:34.:29:36.

a lot of, like, people, a lot of young people know me,

:29:37.:29:39.

but the world and the whole country Grime started in the early

:29:40.:29:42.

noughties, a fusion music including Jamaican bashment,

:29:43.:29:45.

hip-hop and reggae emanating from East London and now it's

:29:46.:29:47.

getting global appeal. The fairly large chunk of listening

:29:48.:29:49.

comes from outside the UK, countries like Canada,

:29:50.:29:52.

Australia and America feature quite heavily, if you sort of look

:29:53.:30:07.

at consumption habits of Grime # That's not me,

:30:08.:30:10.

and it's shut down #. This worldwide success hasn't come

:30:11.:30:14.

from the traditional roots, grime artists, like Skepta,

:30:15.:30:16.

haven't signed to record labels, instead their fans have

:30:17.:30:19.

shared their music on their phones. For Stormzy, Brit nomination

:30:20.:30:21.

acknowledgment is the mainstream Does winning a Brit

:30:22.:30:24.

christen you as successful? Damn sure there's many incredible

:30:25.:30:28.

artists who haven't won a Brit, There's incredible artists

:30:29.:30:31.

from my scene, like peers, that I know personally,

:30:32.:30:34.

who haven't won a Brit and they are, So, yeah, nothing,

:30:35.:30:37.

nothing can define you. You've got to be

:30:38.:30:40.

bigger than any award. # Get out of the booth,

:30:41.:30:44.

go home to your son #. Whether Grime wins big

:30:45.:30:49.

tomorrow night or not, it can no longer be deemed

:30:50.:30:51.

an underground movement. There was an ecstatic political

:30:52.:30:53.

rally in London tonight for a fresh-faced young politician

:30:54.:30:59.

with a brand new party - Join me now on BBC Two

:31:00.:31:02.

to find out more about him. Here, on BBC One, it's time

:31:03.:31:07.

for the news where you are.

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