US Primaries BBC News Special

I'm Katty Kay, and welcome to a BBC News special on the Primary

Polls have just this moment closed in the five states being contested

across the North-East and Mid-Atlantic.

Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, Connecticut, and Rhode Island,

and there's a decent clutch of delegates at stake tonight.

Both front-runners, Republican Donald Trump and

Democrat Hillary Clinton, are widely expected to win, but will tonight be

the night they pull away decisively from their respective competitors?

With me here on set for the next few hours is Democratic

Strategist Erica Payne and Republican Strategist Ron Christie.

Thank you for joining us. Good morning. Good morning. Will Hillary

Clinton be able to say she is the nominee after tonight? She won't

until the convention. Bernie Sanders will go all the way. His supporters

want him to do that. It will be a decent mathematical case there is

nothing to be done for his supporters but he will take it to

the convention and I think he should. And what are you watching

for the night? -- tonight. How does Donald Trump do in the suburbs of

the US? Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Rhode Island? Those are areas we

call Republican Party establishment. If he does well in those

geographical regions it does well for him. But Ted Cruz, he can then

do well in those same areas. That would mean it isn't over yet for

him. We can say the associated press has already predicted... Projected

that Pennsylvania, Merrylands, they have gone to Donald Trump. Let's go

to Nick Bryant. He is with the Donald Trump campaign. They will

like bad news, but it is unsurprising. -- like that. We are

expecting a clean sweep of 5-0 in this north-eastern primary. The

question is not whether he will win them all but by how much. He needs

to do what he did in New York last week, not just to win but to win it

big. Every single delegate counts and he needs to shut out his rivals,

Ted Cruz, John Key six, and other delegates. Be complicated factor is

that rule in Pennsylvania. -- Kasich. If you win the state 71

delegates are up for grabs. You can get 17 but there are 54 that are

unbound. People them. They don't know what they prefer. Even if he

wins big tonight, as he is expected to do, we won't know how many

delegates are backing Donald Trump from Pennsylvania. Bizarre. It is so

bizarre that we are talking about Pennsylvania because normally the

race is over by now. This is a big night for the nerves of the USA.

Will it make it different is? This is the first time in history. --

difference. You are a US politics nerd.

(LAUGHING). Which Donald Trump do you think is going to show up on the

stage this evening? Yeah, last week it was the disciplined Donald

Trump. The on message Donald Trump. The Donald Trump that has been

listening, presumably, to the new campaign chiefs brought on board.

They have been trying to shave off the rough edges. We are expecting

that one tonight. But you never know. They just closed four minutes

ago. We will now go to the Bernie Sanders campaign headquarters where

he is speaking. APPLAUSE. Mostly, I want to thank

all of you for being here. I want to thank all of you. I want to thank

all of you for being prepared to stand up, fight back, and make this

country the nation we know it can become!

APPLAUSE. This campaign is not just about electing a president, it is

about transforming our nation. APPLAUSE! It is about having the

courage to demand a political revolution.

APPLAUSE. And you are the revolutionaries.

APPLAUSE. Because you understand that, unlike football basketball,

politics is not a spectator sport. -- football or basketball. Let me

tell you a secret that many others will not. You are all, each and

every one of you, powerful people, if you choose to exercise that

power. APPLAUSE. The fight... The fight

that we are waging is not an easy fight, but I know you are prepared

to wage that fight against the 1%, against the billionaire class...

APPLAUSE. And against a small number of people with incredible wealth and

incredible power who control our economic life, our political life,

and our media life. APPLAUSE. When we began this

campaign just about a year ago, we started with no political

organisation, we started with no money, and we had no name

recognition outside of Vermont. APPLAUSE. And I want all of you to

get up to Vermont and visit our beautiful state. (APPLAUSE). And

when we began this campaign the media said, well, you know, Bernie

is a nice guy, he combs his hair really well, a top notch dress up,

but, nonetheless, he really is a fringe candidate. The campaign is a

fringe campaign not to be taken seriously. BOOING. And in the middle

of all of that we were taking on the most powerful political organisation

in America, an organisation that selected the president, President

Clinton, on two occasions, and ran a very strong campaign on the

secretary in 2008. And when we began this campaign we were about 3% in

the national polls, about 60 points behind Secretary Clinton. Well, a

lot has happened in the last year. APPLAUSE. CROWD: Bernie! Bernie!

CROWD: Bernie! Bernie! As of today we have now won 16 primaries and

caucuses all over this country. ! APPLAUSE. And with your help we are

going to win here in West Virginia! APPLAUSE. We have one over 1200

delegates. -- won. And in the last several weeks the national polls

don't show us 60 points down, a few of them have us actually ahead or a

few points down. And what is also extremely important if The

Democratic Party is to look at which candidate is the candidate to defeat

Donald Trump or any other Republican... BOOING. What we are

seeing are national polls which have us 15-20 points ahead of Donald

Trump, far more than Secretary Clinton.

APPLAUSE. Almost every national poll and every state poll has asked

defeating Donald Trump and that margin has been significantly larger

than Clinton. -- us. And the reason that we are doing so much better

against Republican candidates is that not only are we winning the

overwhelming majority of Democratic votes, but we are winning

independent votes and some Republican votes as well. And that

is a point that, I hope, the delegates to the Democratic

Convention fully understand. In a General Election, everyone,

Democrat, independent, Republican, has the right to vote for

president. The elections are not closed primary is. We were in New

York state last week. -- primaries. 3 million people in New York state

could not vote. BOOING. That is because they were independents.

Well, you know what, those folks and independence all over this country

will be voting in November! -- independents.

APPLAUSE. And, in most cases, we win the independent votes by a 2-1

margin. This campaign is doing as well as it is with the extraordinary

energy and enthusiasm that we are generating all across this country.

Look at this... Look at is room here tonight! We have over 6000 people!

-- at this room here. APPLAUSE. CROWD: Bernie! Bernie!

CROWD: Bernie! Bernie! And the reason we are generating this

enthusiasm is because we are doing something very unusual in

contemporary American politics, we are telling the truth.

APPLAUSE. Now, the truth is that, as every person he does, whether it is

in our own personal lives or in our national or political life, the

truth is not always pleasant or something you are happy to hear, but

if we go forward as human beings, if we go forward as a nation, we cannot

sweep the hard realities of our lives underneath the rug. We have to

bring it out and we have to deal with it. The truth is not always

something you want to hear. Bernie Sanders is having to swallow some

pretty tough truths denied. Umm, why is Bernie Sanders going to stay in

the race after tonight? Because Bernie Sanders is a movement. Bernie

Sanders is standing at the front of millions of people who want to be

heard, whose lives have been destroyed by an economic system that

is rigged by a political system that is rigged. Think about Pennsylvania

alone tonight. People don't even know... I went to Marylands, I

voted. I could see next to each one of my delegate who they were going

to support at the election. -- delegates. And then you have a blind

vote and we call ourselves a democracy. This is an embarrassment.

We wonder why the wealth gap has gone like this. The top 0.1% owns

the country. He has made that argument very

eloquently, that he cannot win? I had a fascinating conversation with

an African-American woman tonight. She said, I don't believe Hillary

Clinton is sincere. I want an alternative, I want somebody who is

going to speak voice to truth and power and that is Bernie Sanders.

Folks of colour, young people, people who are independent and

saying the status quo is not working for me. We are not really moving

ahead, we remain stagnant. That is why we are moving for. You would

agree that after tonight Bernie Sanders is not going to be the

Democratic nominee? I don't necessarily agree, but if we accept

that premise... He would have to get 79% of all future primaries. It's

not going to happen. Stranger things have happened. The thing is, you

understand this in the art of history. I think that yes, the race

is so interesting, we are glued to it. Bernie Sanders has been fighting

for his values his entire life, he has been fighting and will continue

after July and the primaries. The Trump supporters, if you look at 79%

and 81% respectively of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters, they

think America needs a political revolution. Think about the

economics of it, we need a revolution. The presidential

election is part of that, it's a much bigger story. One person who

doesn't agree that there should be a political revolution in America is

Ted Cruz, speaking at a rally in Indiana. Even before the polls

closed, Ted Cruz said the media was run by Democrats. If you find

yourself wondering why the media is so eager to have Donald as the

Republican nominee, you don't have to look any further than today's USA

Today front page. 40% of GOP doubt they'd vote for Trump. 40%. Now I

want you to think for a second. At the network executives Democrats or

Republicans? Every one of them is ready for Hillary, and Donald Trump

is the one man on earth Hillary Clinton can beat in a general

election -- are? The media has told us, the candidates in this race, the

Republicans and Democrats, they are both going to be New York liberals.

I've got good news for you. Tonight, this campaign moves back to more

favourable terrain. Ted Cruz speaking about half-an-hour ago. Our

correspondent Gary O'Donoghue is in Indiana. He took on the media but

also Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump? He did. After the video you

just played, he proceeded to tell us that he was going to give 13

separate ways in which Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were the

same. Big government liberals, as he put it. That is clearly the strategy

going into the Indiana primary here next week. To effectively say, don't

vote for Donald Trump, he is just the same as Hillary Clinton. This is

a pretty traditional and conservative state, there are big

things like gun laws, immigration, defunding Planned Parenthood. He

clearly thinks there is a lot at stake here. I don't think you can

see it in short, but he is still out there in the crowd signing

autographs and talking to people -- shot. He is putting a lot into this,

a lot rides on it for him. John case it has paved the way, and is Ted

Cruz can prevail he might be able to stop Goldtron. How does the path

work for Ted Cruz? -- stop Donald Trump. He is about 300 delegates

adrift of Donald Trump. That will increase after the five states that

have voted today. He is on about 550. If he wanted a majority, 1237.

700 plus delegates, there are not that many left. He and John case it

have to stop Donald Trump getting to 1237 -- John Katich. Ted Cruz could

squeak ahead of Donald Trump. He is in reaching distance if you take

John out of the equation. If he can do that, you could sweep a whole lot

of delegates. Could there be an alliance between them? That is an

interesting one. They are not even telling one another's supporters to

vote for each other. It is a limited alliance, but it might just be

enough for Ted Cruz to squeak past Donald Trump next Tuesday. Thank

you. Let's go to the Clinton campaign. We are expecting Senator

Clinton to come out very soon, and presumably to come out very happy?

She already has a win under her belt? Yes. Hillary Clinton will

speak in about half-an-hour while. This is a big night for her, she is

hoping it will provide her another win. Pennsylvania is the big one.

This is the night where she is hoping to build on her last week in

New York, she is hoping that tonight she will effectively end Donald

Trump's cancers to get the nomination. This is the night where

she does that. A very jubilant campaign headquarters. I think you

can tell how good a campaign is feeling by the nature of their

music. They are rocking tonight! I think they are rocking and good for

them. They enlisted a bunch of voters. She is likely to be the

nominee in November. This is the thing. We are seeing such an

awakening across America, the idea that this political system is rigged

and that the economic system is rigged. What you've seen over the

course of this election is Hillary Clinton grappling with some of her

husband's policies that she is held responsible for. I think she is

doing it very effectively, there is maybe even some internal calibration

in terms of this. Let's think about trade deals, welfare reform. People

would say that categorically, Bernie Sanders has not affected our

policies. Please! Seriously. That defies reason in the same way that

Ted Cruz saying that the media is controlled by Democrats is a

proposed is statement. Have you met Roger Ayles? , and, had. What I find

most fascinating is that John Kasich and Ted Cruz have formed an alliance

to try and stop Trump. He said he will go to Oregon, Ted Cruz, you

stay in Indiana and try to stop Trump in a 2-person race. I have

never seen anything like this -- Come on, Ted. Neither have I and

neither has Donald Trump, because he said it is ascetic and a symbol of a

rigged system. This backfire against Ted Cruz and John Kasich? It could,

but this is politics. Politics is about addition rather than

subtraction. They want to stop him. Both of those gentlemen believe if

we get to Cleveland, Trump, if he doesn't win this outright, will not

be the nominee. We will take a break in the second and have more time to

talk about these issues. But briefly, these estates that have

voted today, how representative are they of the rest of the US?

Somewhat. You have to break it down state by state. You are seeing

different kinds of people voting in areas around Philadelphia, five

counties around Philadelphia hold 80% of the swing voters. There are

elements like that which are indicative of what we will see

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Hello, I'm Katty Kay and welcome to a BBC News special on the Primary

Polls closed 30 minutes ago in five states being contested across the

north-east and mid-Atlantic. So far, three have been projected to go

to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton is projected to win in Marilyn. We

are waiting for Rhode Island. Strategist Erica Payne and

Republican Strategist Ron Christie. No surprise is. I am looking at who

is coming in at number two. -- surprises. Donald Trump has had a

plurality. Who comes in at number two? Does Ted Cruz surge in some of

these states? Jon Kasich? Can Donald Trump be stopped? Is he the

inevitable nominee? And what you are looking for? How big the Donald

Trump win is. 100%. This is when everyone goes back to let's make a

deal. If you see this unholy alliance between Ted Cruz and

Kasich, and when you saw this parade of Republicans coming out to endorse

Ted Cruz, you could almost see the millionaires in the background

saying, you are going to back this guy, pulling the strings. So Donald

Trump is basically walking in and saying, the deal is off. You have to

deal with me. Tonight will show how much he has to deal with them. It

will come down to the delegate count. Both of you think tonight is

much more significant for the Republican side? Handsdown. Yeah. He

has to close the deal. He has to say to the American people, I am the

inevitable nominee and who has had legitimately millions more votes.

Not even to the American people. Yeah, he will say that to the

American people because he wants them to vote for him. But what he is

really sending a signal to is the billionaires trying to move things

around on the Republican side. They will have a negotiation on these

issues. Rhode Island has been called for Donald Trump. Let's go to Nick

Bryant on the Donald Trump campaign in New York. Umm, it is interesting

listening in the studio to what people are looking at. It seems to

be about the size of Donald Trump's win and where he wins and what parts

of the population he wins with. What are you looking it? The same thing.

We know he will win the five. -- at. The question is the margin. You have

this wildcard situation, as I was explaining, this bizarre

Pennsylvania issue. There are 54 delegates who could basically decide

who they want to go for. They are unbound. Some of them have said they

will vote for Donald Trump. Others, Ted Cruz. And others saying they

will follow the will of congressional districts. It looks

like Donald Trump will do very well in congressional districts. In

Pennsylvania, at least. Because this race is so close and the delegate

map is so very delicate, every single delegates matters. That is

why we are looking at them in a forensic way. -- delegate. You have

to look at the numbers in each congressional district to find out

what is going to happen tonight. At the end of that we won't know for

sure because of these wild cards in Pennsylvania, delegates that will go

to the convention in Cleveland able to decide who they want to vote for

at the very last minute. Talk to me about Indiana. It doesn't vote for a

week. How critical does the Donald Trump campaign think winning in

Indiana is? To be honest, I think we will spend more time than I talking

about Indiana next week than the states voting today. -- than

talking. We have had this first-time deal between the rivals of Donald

Trump to unite the anti-Trump vote in Indiana. They came to this

arrangement, Ted Cruz and Kasich, that Ted Cruz would be the standard

bearer. That is how it is shaping up. A head-to-head between Ted Cruz

and Donald Trump. In Indiana, if they can't stop him there then they

will run out of states where they can. It. So much comes down to

Indiana tweak. It creates a problem. -- Indiana next week. It

had a big win in Wisconsin but he hasn't won any sense then. Donald

Trump will go into Indiana with a win at his back to bite you are a

political nerd but I bet you never thought this would come down to

Indiana. -- in one we will be back with you soon. Let's go to the

battery Clinton campaign in Philadelphia. -- Hilary Clinton. One

win under their belt already. Just waiting for another. Everybody here

is waiting to see the results come in. Hillary Clinton is expected for

four out of five at least with the big one being Philadelphia or

Pennsylvania, rather. We are in Philadelphia, the site of the credit

convention in July. -- Democratic Convention. She will be speaking

here at about nine p.m.. The results from Pennsylvania will not be out by

van, but she is winning by a large margin. -- then. She wants to put an

end to the momentum of Bernie Sanders. This feels like a Groundhog

Day conversation. We have had it so men in times. The Clinton campaign

keep hoping the time has come to show that it is mathematically

impossible for Senator Sanders to win this nomination. But they do

feel that today is the day where they can turn around and say there

is simply no real estate, there isn't enough real estate, any more,

for Bernie Sanders to win this nomination. But there have been

mixed signals coming out of the Bernie Sanders camp in the last day

also. One of his strategists says that depending on the results his

campaign will be assessed, re-evaluate. And we heard from his

wife, Jane Sanders, she said we are not going out, we are staying in

until the convention. So what is done will he adopt going forward?

That is a question for the night. Will he continue to attack her? They

are saying that would be bad for the party. Ms Clinton has already said

it is time or them to unite. She has a message of love and kindness in a

new advertiser and she has put out trying to appeal to General Election

voters as wealth. -- advertisement. -- as well. Donald Trump has swept

all five of the states voting the month. A clean sweep for the

billionaire politician from New York. Barbara Plett Usher is with

the Bernie Sanders campaign in West Virginia. Let's turn back to the

Democrats. Bernie Sanders and his campaign are clearly talking about

staying in this race right through the California primary is, the last

one to be held in June. -- primaries. Is there any feeling in

the campaign that they are now hurting The Democratic Party? They

haven't expressed that. When I tell the people here about those kinds of

things the people on the floor have said they think it is a good thing

in this competition, that it is invigorating the Democratic race. It

is only good if he continues to pull Lynton to be left. It is interesting

the kinds of messages you hear. -- Clinton. He is acknowledging the

difficulties he is having in the primary votes. He said it isn't just

about the election, it is about transforming the nation, a reference

to how he wants to turn this into a lasting political movement if he

doesn't get elected. He also talks about his status in how he can do in

a General Election. He said they are doing better than Donald Trump and

are neck and neck with Hillary Clinton in national polls. He said

in a General Election everyone can vote, not just Democrats.

Independents that support me can vote. But in order to win the

election he has to win enough Democratic support to get the

nomination and it looks like won't do that. If you asked the campaign

how have they changed the nature of this race in terms of Hillary

Clinton's policies, how have you brought her more in line with your

positions, more in line with the left, what would they say? I think

the most obvious one is that he has all her to the left on issues of

financial regulation, she has been more willing to talk about how she

would like to whack Wall Street. She has also been more... More umm, more

on trade. She said she was going to support the TTP and now she said she

will not. He has also said the Tyrann in terms of the $15 an hour

minimum wage. -- tone. She hasn't supported it but wants to work did,

moving to 12 and then maybe 15. Those kinds of things. That is how

they would say they have set the agenda. The issue is that if she

goes on to the General Election she will have pulled more to the centre

to get a more general vote. Then the question becomes, will Bernie

Sanders' supporters fall in behind her all will they stick with the

policies she has been expressing? -- or. The other is the democratic dumb

act the platform -- the Democratic platform. Presumably that is why he

is staying in the race, to have more influence. It sounds a Bernie

Sanders is still talking. This looks like a marathon. It has been 20

minutes. He certainly has things to say. Hillary Clinton has been

projected to have one Delaware and Maryland. What was are Plett Usher

saying? -- Barbara. Will supporters rallied to Hillary Clinton? They

will go to a person who carries their values. If she can clearly

articulate that she shares their values and recognises the fact that

we need fundamental change then I think she can convince them. The

racism, sexism, homophobia, et cetera, of the Donald Trump

campaign, is absolutely revolting. They will fight that demon that

lives in the underbelly of this country. But did she thinks moving

to the centre is going to win this she is dead wrong. She needs to go

to the left of Donald Trump on trade. She needs to work on the

minimum wage, the litmus test no one is talking about. If you want to be

for the working people and you don't want to raise the Federal minimum

wage to $15 an hour, saying, not now... So trade and the minimum

wage? I want to see that. Good. If she does that she might win. But if

she thinks going to the centre will win they are on. Do you agree?

Definitely. -- wrong. She has a problem with the African Americans

and white folks. That is all she has. Bernie Sanders has many people

dissatisfied with politics. She has been pulled away to the left on

trade and minimum wage and a number of issues. The thing about Bernie

Sanders is, you may not agree with his policies, but you cannot

question his sincerity. Hillary Clinton seems to be doing whatever

will, undoubtedly, in her mind, she thinks will win her the election.

Was about moving to the left. Come on. The whole country has been

pulled so far to the right. Let me say this. Secretary Clinton, when

she was Secretary of State, she was... I'm trying to think of the

issues, the Keystone pipeline. Wall Street. Had she said anything that

would have shifted her to the left from when she might have been

otherwise? She won't release transcripts of her

speeches. I think she is trying to be a populist, yet another

indication of how she will say one thing to get elected and another to

get campaign money. Back to tonight's race before the general

election. Of the states that have voted today, the five states here in

the north-east of the country, explaining to viewers around the

world, which of those state in terms of the general election is most

interesting? I think Pennsylvania. Like last time round, it could

potentially be a swing state? It will most likely be a swing state.

The dynamics, the blue-collar workers, what are they going to do?

What are the suburban mums going to do? Be to give you some indication.

I have a friend who lives outside of Philadelphia, and when I need a

focus group of a swing voter I call her and she tracks exactly with the

rest of it. You will see where those suburban mums fall. She is with

Clinton, because Trump is too obnoxious. There is no way she would

go with Ted Cruz. I think they are in a very different dynamic. The

state is really decided in the five counties outside of Philadelphia.

Single mums will probably decide this election. We will go back to

the Ted Cruz campaign. Is anyone else actually still they are? It

sounds like the party is over for Ted Cruz. -- there. He came out and

spoke and is trying to make the case to recognise that this will be a bad

night for him in terms of results. Looking to India, what is the mood

in his campaign at the moment? -- Indiana. The phrase he used was that

the campaign will move onto more favourable rain. Decoding that it

means, I will have a bad night but next week it might be better --

terrain. The reason is that this is a pretty conservative place, there

is a deal with John Kasich. It gives Ted Cruz a free run. When you look

at some of the polling, it is sometimes speculative and tricky.

But taking John Kasich out of the territory, Ted Cruz is very close to

the margin of error in terms of Donald Trump's lead. He does stand a

chance of sleeping quite a lot of the 57 delegates on offer in

Indiana. He could not become the nominee, he is 700 shy of that

number and there are not even that number of delegates left. What he

and John Kasich are trying to do is to stop Donald Trump from getting to

that magic number so that we have this open, congested contention by

black -- contested convention in Cleveland. What kept crews has been

doing is going to state district conventions and making sure that the

delegates selected, where their allegiances are after the first

vote? -- Ted Cruz. Com Cleveland and a second vote, he will be in with a

chance come. Is Donald Trump going to come out to us soon? They just

started revving up the music. Last week he walked to his victory party