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This programme contains scenes which some viewers

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may find upsetting.

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It is our national game, an obsession.

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And the dream of millions of kids is to make it in the sport,

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just like their heroes.

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But since last November, football has been in crisis.

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Hundreds of young people might have suffered from historical sexual

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abuse in the world of football.

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More men come forward to say they were assaulted as children.

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The Scottish Football Association have met Police Scotland.

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Police say they've received 109 referrals of cases

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of child sexual abuse.

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Police forces say around 350 people have now come forward.

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The abuse could be on the scale of the Jimmy Savile scandal.

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Did you have any idea what was happening to you?

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At that age I hadn't a clue what was going on.

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Roughly, do you know how many times this happened?

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Oh, time after time after time.

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Tonight, BBC Scotland's investigations unit uncovers

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new evidence about child sex abuse in football.

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He said well, you can't ever discuss this with anybody.

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I'm telling you as a pal in confidence.

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And I've held that confidence until recently.

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The men said to have abused boys in their care for years -

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moving from club to club, and child to child.

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And we reveal the untold story of the most notorious sex abuse case

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in the history of Scottish football.

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Football ? the beautiful game.

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But for the last six months, BBC Scotland

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has been investigating a hidden, darker, side.

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We've uncovered new testimony that lays bare the scale of allegations

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of sexual abuse against children - boys who just wanted

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to play football.

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None of the former players you'll hear from has

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ever spoken out before, so tonight, for the first time,

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we give them a voice.

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In a quiet corner of south-west Edinburgh sits a piece

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of football history, the base of Hutchison Vale FC.

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It might not look like much, but for decades, this clubhouse has

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been a place where youngsters have come to realise their dreams.

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Tam.

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It's run by Tam Smith, who's been nurturing

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talent here since 1986.

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This place is amazing.

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Aye, well, there's a lot of history in it.

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The walls are lined with photo after photo of teams of smiling

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kids, faces full of hope, proud to wear the yellow

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and black of Hutchie Vale.

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Many went on to make it in the senior game.

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It's like a who's who of Scottish football.

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There's not everybody that's played and went to the senior game's

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represented up on the wall, but we've got John Collins,

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who's in this photograph.

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John Collins, Hibs, Celtic, Scotland.

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Steven McLean there.

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Still playing, at St Johnstone.

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He was really a fantastic goal-scorer.

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Used to score about 100 goals every season.

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There's Kenny Miller there.

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How old will he be there?

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He'll be about 13 there.

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Leigh Griffiths was here for a few years.

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These two young guys are down at senior clubs the now, doing well.

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Regan Hendry and Ethan Hamilton, Regan's at Celtic,

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and Ethan's at Man United.

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Is that a younger version of you?

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That's a younger version of me.

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You must be very proud?

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Yeah, very proud, of course.

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Yeah, very proud of all the kids that's played here.

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I think it's just important that the kids are healthy and happy

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and we provide an environment from which, that they can

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thrive in, really.

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Among the photographs that line the walls is one

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of a team from 1982.

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In the bottom row of the picture, wearing number four,

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is a boy called Jon.

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Football was always a big interest in my life.

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From an early age, my father encouraged me to kick a football.

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Jon was just like most boys he knew ? he dreamt

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of being a professional footballer.

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We went on an exchange trip and we had a small football

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tournament and I seemed to be, I seemed to play at such a higher

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level than everyone else.

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He soon caught the attention of a man there called Gordon Neely,

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who would go on to coach and scout at the highest level

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of the Scottish game.

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But this, Jon says, is when his abuse started.

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He took me into a room at the back of our hall and told me

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to take my shorts down and he put me over his knee and he proceeded

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to spank me, which I felt I had done something wrong

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and it was my punishment.

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Did you tell anyone?

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Didn't tell anyone.

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Jon's silence seemed to be Neely's cue to escalate the abuse.

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Said I looked like I had had an injury.

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And same kind of thing, put me over his knee

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and started to spank me, then he asked me to lean over a desk.

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And that's when I was raped.

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Did you have any idea what was happening to you?

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Hadn't a clue.

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At that age, hadn't a clue what was going on.

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You were 11.

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11.

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Could you tell anyone about that?

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No, I couldn't have possibly at that age.

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I thought it was my fault.

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I thought I had done something wrong.

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Jon says, with Neely, he was never safe -

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even in Hutchie Vale's clubhouse.

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There was a massage table in the room and a cabinet on the wall,

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which I vividly remember.

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And he would start to rub my legs and it would progress

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from that to the point where I was getting raped.

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How many times did he do this to you?

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I can't be 100% sure, but it was at least eight to ten

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times over the space of 18 months.

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The town of Dunkeld in Perthshire, near to Dalguise Activity Centre.

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This was a place where, for at least 20 years,

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Gordon Neely took promising young footballers on outdoor activity

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weekends away from their parents.

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I'm coming here with Jon.

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He says he was one the boys brought here -

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and abused - by Neely.

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When was the last time you drove down this road?

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36 years ago.

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A trip here, Jon says, will be part of the healing process.

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I'm kind of guessing it's got a lot of history to it,

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but the history that I remember isn't a very good one.

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I actually feel very emotional.

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In the main part of the building on the right hand side,

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I don't know if you can see the window's open.

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That's where the dormitories were.

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Yeah, I'm done.

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OK, let's go.

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We've uncovered a catalogue of abuse claims involving

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Gordon Neely at Hutchison Vale, some other Edinburgh youth

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teams, and at Dalguise.

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But somehow, he progressed to senior youth development positions

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at several top-flight Scottish clubs - firstly Dundee United,

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where, we're told, the abuse continued.

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We've spoken to several men who've told us about abuse by Neely.

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Their verbatim accounts are voiced by actors.

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Gordon Neely's MO was about power.

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Punishment spankings too.

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Lots of us youth players got them.

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He would make up stories that you'd done something wrong.

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He'd say, "We can sort this out in two ways.

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"Either we kick you out or you come and see me

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"and we sort this out privately."

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Sometimes he'd wait for the manager to go out, take me into his office.

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He'd have me over his knee, bare backside, spanking me.

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By age 12, Jon - like Chris - was training at Hibs,

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even picked to play for a Scotland youth team, under former national

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manager Andy Roxburgh.

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But what should have been the time of his young life

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was actually a nightmare, endured in silence.

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Was Neely taking you to training?

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Yeah.

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He would always stop in the car park first.

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And again, he would always talk about football-related things.

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That was always the start of knowing that something would happen.

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And then I would have to go and train with Hibs after that.

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After he'd abused you?

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Yeah.

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It was at that point that I couldn't do it,

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I couldn't face going to football training.

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I lost interest in football.

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And your dad couldn't work out why?

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Dad thought I'd thrown everything away.

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I could have been this and I could have been that.

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And you were carrying all this inside you?

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Yeah.

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Alone.

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I didn't have the confidence to tell my parents.

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away in the background.

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He was front and centre, even sitting in the dugout

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alongside the manager.

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So was anyone at Hibs aware of Neely's abuse?

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Ray Hepburn, a sports reporter, was one of those around

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the club at the time.

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He had a close friendship with the late Hibs chairman Kenny Waugh.

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He says Waugh confided in him about Neely's abuse.

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He was a bit agitated and unsettled and he said,

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"We've got a big problem at Hibs."

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And I said, "What is it?"

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And he said, "Well, you can't ever discuss this

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"with anybody, I'm telling you as a pal, in confidence."

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He said we've had complaints by two sets of parents about Gordon Neely

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and his behaviour with some of the boys.

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And of course it was quite devastating news.

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He went on to explain that he had sacked him that day,

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had reassured the parents by dealing with it in a very speedy

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and decisive way.

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No police. No police, though?

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No police, no. No.

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Some might say that this was a missed opportunity

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to put an end to Neely's abuse.

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It clearly was.

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But football clubs have to be pragmatic and practical and deal

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with it in a way that perhaps protects their ongoing operations.

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The manager of Hibs at the time Neely was there was John Blackley.

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involving Gordon Neely, and that Kenny Waugh and the club

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were fully aware of it.

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He says the police were never involved.

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Hibs told us the club was co-operating fully with the police.

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In a statement, the club said it was:

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"saddened to be told" that personnel at the club at the time

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were "allegedly made aware of concerns" about Neely and,

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again allegedly, "did not contact the police with the concerns."

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This is something which "current policies and practices"

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would "prevent from happening today".

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It was a missed opportunity to stop Neely in his tracks.

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Instead, he landed an even bigger job.

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This time, as head of youth development at Rangers.

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Apparently, no-one at Ibrox was warned about Neely's

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criminal behaviour.

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Under the new regime of Graeme Souness and Walter Smith,

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in 1986, Neely was given responsibility for turning Rangers

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into a powerhouse for young talent.

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But we've been told his abuse continued at Ibrox.

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I mean, he had his own office inside Ibrox and he'd call

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you in and he'd make you close the door.

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And he'd pull your shorts and pants down and then he'd spank

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you with like this kind of, like, rubber shoe.

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I mean, I wasn't the only one.

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He'd give you ten or 20 whacks for anything.

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I was only about 13.

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Rangers told us it was aware of an alleged incident

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more than 25 years ago.

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In a statement the club said: "It is understood" the individual

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was "dismissed immediately" and that the "police were informed."

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"All employees adhered" to the "strictest codes of conduct..."

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And the club "would always cooperate fully" with the authorities.

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Police Scotland say they can't confirm whether Rangers

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made a complaint or not.

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We've asked just about every surviving senior person

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who was at Rangers at that time for more details,

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but they've given none.

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And we can find no trace of a police report being sent

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to the Procurator Fiscal.

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Neely was put out of senior football, but like so many abusers,

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he simply changed tactics.

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I was playing with one of the Edinburgh clubs at the time,

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and a guy came up to me after a match.

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It was Gordon Neely.

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And he said he could make me a better player, and I needed some

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one-to-one coaching.

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Said he knew all the big players and managers.

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So every other weekend I'd go up to Dunkeld.

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He told me I had a condition that was hampering me.

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And that he could help me with it.

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So he would examine my back side, and then he would put

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his fingers inside me.

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Looking back, he was basically raping me with his fingers.

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I knew it was wrong.

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It went on for about ten minutes each time,

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but I couldn't do anything. I just froze.

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I didn't want to complain because I thought it would ruin

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the chances of me getting the trial he'd promised me.

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"Paul's" alleged abuse took place around a decade after complaints

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about Neely were made to Hibs, and more than five years after

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a complaint was made at Rangers.

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Neely had simply reinvented himself by organising outdoor activities

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and one-to-one training either here at Dalguise, or nearby Dunkeld.

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Over three decades, hundreds, if not thousands of boys would have

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passed through there under his care.

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Opportunities to put an end to Neely's abuse ?

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either by the football clubs or by the police ? were squandered.

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Police Scotland is now investigating Gordon Neely.

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But that's come too late for his victims.

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In 2014, at the age of 62, Neely died -

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without ever having to face justice.

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who is still alive.

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Someone who operated as a senior scout for years

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at the biggest clubs in the UK. He can't be named for legal reasons.

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At that age you think it's your own fault,

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or people won't believe you.

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This is John Burgess, who knew the man as a high-profile scout.

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His reputation was, you know, highly thought of.

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He was a scout for Rangers, he knew Jock Wallace.

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And he was pretty well respected.

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As a 17-year-old who'd had too much to drink one night

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in a local social club, John says he had a lucky escape.

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He says, look at the state of you, what would your mother think?

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He says, you can't go home in that state, can you?

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So I got in the car.

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I felt a bit queasy and he said, well, I'll put you to bed.

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So still thinking nothing of it, I went through to one of the rooms.

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I remember saying to him, is that not your room?

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He said, oh, no, I'll sleep in the spare room.

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So not thinking anything of it again, you know, full of trust.

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He says what happened next has lived with him since then.

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Woke up with a bit of a fright.

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He was next to me, pressing himself into me.

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Telling me you know, telling me what he wanted to do to me,

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which was quite frightening.

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I thought if there is a race to the door, I'm going to win.

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So I got my clothes and got to the door and fumbled

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with the locks and heard footsteps behind me, but I managed to get

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out and into the street and made a bee-line home.

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It's something that never leaves you.

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I feel guilty about it, not doing anything about it then.

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Because, you know, I'm older.

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I should have known better.

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We've been told the abuse became increasingly serious.

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We know of three men who now allege the scout

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assaulted them as children. One of them was Levi Stephen.

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He represented Scotland at youth level and had a career

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in the professional game, playing for Rangers, and Clydebank.

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As a 13-year-old, he was considered to be one of the most promising

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players of his generation.

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It was at this time he came to the attention of the scout,

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who'd allegedly assaulted John Burgess.

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He was now working for Liverpool ? then,

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the most successful club in the UK.

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Levi's mum remembers the call from the scout.

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Liverpool, her son's favourite team, wanted him to come down

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from Aberdeen for a trial.

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He sounded very nice on the phone.

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But I think maybe not only Levi, but I was star-struck.

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Like, you trust. Och, it's like, Liverpool.

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You know, like. Wow.

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He convinced me that Levi would be in safe hands.

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I just wanted to play football.

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You just want to play and play to the best

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of your ability and impress people.

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Over the weekend of the trial, Levi was to stay with

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the scout at his flat.

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He would be captain, wearing the coveted number seven ?

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the same as his hero, Kenny Dalglish, who'd

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invited him to the trial.

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I played the game and then we got back after the game in his living

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room and he said, oh, there's a thing you can do

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to relax your muscles, do you want to try it?

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And I'm like that, well yeah anything that will,

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ken, help me recover and improve the game.

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Levi says the scout gave him a massage, but he soon felt faint

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and had to be helped to a bedroom.

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So it ended up I'm on the bed lying on my back,

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and obviously I was naked, and I had a towel on my chest

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and he just, out of nowhere, he just flicked, flicked my private.

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And the next thing I know he's abusing me and

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things were going through my mind, just like, what's going on?

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Then obviously I climaxed and then he just says I'll go and help

0:24:210:24:24

clean it up for you, left the room, came back with toilet roll,

0:24:240:24:31

cleaned it off his hands and whatever and then just says,

0:24:310:24:33

"Oh, see you in the morning," and he shut the door.

0:24:330:24:36

So I'm like that, what, what just happened, you know?

0:24:360:24:39

And it's like, well, was that right?

0:24:390:24:49

How old were you, Levi?

0:24:490:24:51

I think it was two weeks shy of my 14th birthday.

0:24:510:24:55

Levi says he believes the scout was grooming him for what lay

0:24:570:25:00

ahead, the next day.

0:25:000:25:02

We went to a market and we got back to the flat.

0:25:020:25:12

And I opened the door, and I opened the door

0:25:130:25:23

and he tripped me up and then he, I landed face first and he got

0:25:240:25:34

and he tripped me up and then he, I landed face first and he got

0:25:370:25:43

on top of me and he's trying to take my pants down and that.

0:25:430:25:50

You could feel his erection, ken, in the back of my leg

0:25:500:25:55

so I fought him off.

0:25:550:25:56

I says, "It ain't happening," and he just accepted it.

0:25:560:26:01

And nothing else was said.

0:26:010:26:05

How long did you have to stay in his company for after that?

0:26:050:26:08

A whole day. A whole day.

0:26:080:26:15

Levi says the scout simply dropped him off at the train station

0:26:150:26:18

as if nothing had happened.

0:26:180:26:20

Do you remember the train journey home?

0:26:200:26:22

I was wrestling in my mind whether to tell my mother.

0:26:220:26:25

Cos we're quite an open family.

0:26:250:26:35

Did you tell her?

0:26:450:26:48

How do you tell your mum, though?

0:26:530:26:57

I couldn't speak, I was just in shock.

0:27:040:27:07

I didn't know what to do.

0:27:070:27:10

So I was frantic, I just says, well, we have to tell the police,

0:27:100:27:13

we have to do something about this.

0:27:130:27:14

But he's only like, oh, it's Liverpool, can't,

0:27:140:27:19

don't say anything, Mum, it's fine, I'll be fine.

0:27:190:27:22

But he wasn't.

0:27:220:27:24

I was so scared of jeopardising his career.

0:27:240:27:30

Because he was up and coming.

0:27:300:27:32

I mean, all the premier teams were after him.

0:27:320:27:36

I think my mum had my best interests at heart.

0:27:370:27:39

She didn't want to affect my future prospects, I think.

0:27:390:27:46

I felt weak, I felt a bad mother. I felt I let him down.

0:27:460:27:50

Because I didn't do anything at the time.

0:27:500:27:56

were told about this scout.

0:27:590:28:02

Remember Tam Smith from Hutchie Vale?

0:28:030:28:07

Tam became aware of allegations when a former Rangers youth player

0:28:070:28:10

told him that he had been abused in the 80s by the same scout.

0:28:100:28:13

told him that he had been abused in the' 80s by the same scout.

0:28:130:28:16

I said, you need to go to the police with this.

0:28:160:28:19

And he was a wee bit hesitant about doing that.

0:28:190:28:23

He was only 24, and never told anybody ever before that.

0:28:230:28:27

After giving a statement, Tam says the boy never heard

0:28:280:28:30

back from the police.

0:28:300:28:32

Around a decade later, Tam says he got a shock

0:28:320:28:37

when watching a TV documentary.

0:28:370:28:40

I want to see if you recognise this.

0:28:410:28:43

Oh, aye, I recognise him all right.

0:28:430:28:46

The scout was still working with boys -

0:28:460:28:49

this time, at one of Britain's biggest clubs, Chelsea.

0:28:490:28:53

When I saw it I was, incredulous with rage.

0:28:530:28:56

Had been to the police in '92 about him,

0:28:560:28:58

with a lad who told me he'd been abused.

0:28:580:29:02

A lad I've known since he was 11 years old.

0:29:020:29:05

Tam says he phoned Chelsea to warn them he believed the scout

0:29:050:29:08

was a danger to children.

0:29:080:29:09

And he phoned me back the next day and says he'd never had any

0:29:090:29:12

complaints about him and didnae see any reason why he shouldnae continue

0:29:120:29:16

working with Chelsea, so that was that.

0:29:160:29:19

I just felt that, do you know what I felt?

0:29:190:29:23

I felt like nobody's really cared, nobody was bothered,

0:29:230:29:25

that's what I felt.

0:29:250:29:26

It makes me feel angry and it makes me feel helpless as well,

0:29:260:29:29

actually, that nothing was done.

0:29:290:29:32

Chelsea said it was "fully supporting" police investigations

0:29:330:29:36

on this issue, and "encouraged anyone to come forward"

0:29:360:29:39

by contacting either the "club or the police".

0:29:390:29:42

More than 80 men involved in football are being investigated

0:29:460:29:48

by police across the UK, including this scout.

0:29:480:29:51

Among them: John Hart, former physiotherapist at Partick Thistle.

0:29:510:29:55

Jim McCafferty, ex-youth coach and kitman at Celtic, Hibs and Falkirk.

0:29:550:30:00

And Hugh Stevenson, who was a youth coach and referee.

0:30:000:30:05

And, the Scottish Youth FA has become embroiled in safety

0:30:050:30:09

concerns over its vetting procedures for coaches.

0:30:090:30:13

Since November, Police Scotland has received more than 130

0:30:130:30:17

claims of child sex abuse within Scottish football.

0:30:170:30:21

It's not the first time Scottish football has been rocked

0:30:250:30:28

by child abuse allegations.

0:30:280:30:34

The founder of Celtic Boys' Club James Torbett has been jailed

0:30:340:30:37

for two years for sexually abusing three young players

0:30:370:30:39

between 1967 and 197.

0:30:390:30:41

between 1967 and 1974.

0:30:410:30:43

In 1998, three former Celtic Boys' Club players,

0:30:430:30:45

including ex-Scotland international Alan Brazil testified

0:30:450:30:48

against their former coach.

0:30:480:30:52

Another former Celtic Boys' Club coach, Frank Cairney,

0:30:520:30:56

was acquitted of similar charges.

0:30:560:30:59

Although officially a separate entity, Celtic Boys' Club's history

0:31:010:31:04

has been inextricably linked with the senior club.

0:31:040:31:08

Founded by Torbett in 1966 with the permission of legendary

0:31:080:31:13

former manager, the late Jock Stein, the Boys' Club took Celtic's

0:31:130:31:16

name and club crest.

0:31:160:31:19

Over the next four decades, it would produce some of the club's

0:31:190:31:22

finest players, including Charlie Nicholas, Paul McStay,

0:31:220:31:25

Tommy Burns, and many others.

0:31:250:31:35

Torbett's conviction for offences committed up to 1974 cast a shadow

0:31:350:31:40

over the Boys Club's trophy-laden history.

0:31:400:31:48

Rumours have persisted

0:31:480:31:52

since Torbett was jailed that the full extent

0:31:520:31:54

of his offending has never been revealed.

0:31:540:32:00

I had to go back to the Daily Record's breaking

0:32:000:32:02

of the story in the 1990s.

0:32:020:32:06

Its chief reporter was Anna Smith.

0:32:060:32:10

Well, the very first whispers were a very long time ago.

0:32:100:32:15

There was things you heard but nobody had been able to prove

0:32:150:32:18

anything because nobody would talk about it.

0:32:180:32:20

So nobody ever really got to grips with it.

0:32:200:32:22

Then, former players came forward to tell of their abuse

0:32:220:32:24

at the hands of Torbett.

0:32:240:32:29

And the one particular guy that I spoke to.

0:32:290:32:31

I could see the effect that had on him.

0:32:310:32:33

That ruined his life.

0:32:330:32:34

All he wanted to do was play football for Celtic.

0:32:340:32:37

And when you're getting taken away and, tournaments abroad,

0:32:370:32:42

you're being groomed for stardom, but he was grooming

0:32:420:32:44

people for other things.

0:32:440:32:48

But were there more stories out there waiting to be told?

0:32:480:32:55

This is more than 30 years of bound copies of the Celtic View,

0:32:550:32:59

the official in-house magazine for Celtic Football Club

0:32:590:33:03

and what they contain is effectively a comprehensive account

0:33:030:33:07

of everything to do with Celtic over the years, but not just

0:33:070:33:11

about the big team - also about Celtic Boys' Club.

0:33:110:33:14

And anything I need to find out about the Boys' Club

0:33:140:33:19

is bound to be in here.

0:33:190:33:23

Some of the photos in here

0:33:230:33:26

were taken by this man, Hugh Birt, who had been a Celtic photographer.

0:33:260:33:32

Birt's evidence was crucial in the case against Torbett -

0:33:320:33:35

telling the jury Torbett had been kicked out of the boys' club

0:33:350:33:38

in 1974 by Jock Stein over child abuse claims.

0:33:380:33:41

And we've spoken to three other former Celtic Boys' Club officials ?

0:33:410:33:45

there at the time ? who also say they were told Torbett was sacked

0:33:450:33:49

by Stein after complaints Torbett had abused boys.

0:33:490:33:50

The police were never called.

0:33:500:33:57

But here, buried in the archives of the Celtic View, is the official

0:33:570:34:01

account of how Torbett left Celtic Boys' Club in 1974.

0:34:010:34:05

It says he's leaving because of business reasons,

0:34:050:34:08

time constraints and is full of praise for Torbett.

0:34:080:34:13

It makes no mention of course of any allegations of sexual abuse.

0:34:130:34:17

Which means, if Hugh Birt was telling the truth to a Glasgow

0:34:170:34:21

court 24 years later about the real reason for Jim Torbett

0:34:210:34:24

exiting Celtic Boys' Club, it was indeed a massive cover-up.

0:34:240:34:33

Three years after he was allegedly kicked out by Jock Stein,

0:34:330:34:38

Torbett was presented with an award for services to the boys' club -

0:34:380:34:43

by its honorary president, Stein. According to Birt's evidence

0:34:430:34:46

to court, and to other sources spoken to by the BBC,

0:34:460:34:50

some of those on the board of Celtic FC, including Kevin Kelly,

0:34:500:34:56

would learn exactly why Torbett had been kicked out in the '70s.

0:34:560:34:59

Kelly took over as honorary president of Celtic

0:34:590:35:01

Boys' Club in 1977.

0:35:010:35:04

And yet Torbett had managed by 1980 to return to the boys' club

0:35:040:35:07

and stay there till 1996.

0:35:070:35:09

Why would you ever bring him back?

0:35:090:35:14

If I was them I'd be searching my conscience

0:35:140:35:18

because perhaps they should have asked more questions.

0:35:180:35:25

The reporting of the Torbett trial suggested he had only returned

0:35:250:35:28

the club in a fundraising capacity ? but what these reveal

0:35:280:35:33

is that he returned to a central position within the club where once

0:35:330:35:37

more he was coaching boys and managing teams,

0:35:370:35:39

throughout the '80s and some of the '90s.

0:35:390:35:47

Torbett had friends on the Celtic board.

0:35:470:35:48

Kevin Kelly and Jack McGinn, for instance.

0:35:480:35:52

The club gave a lucrative contract to Torbett's

0:35:520:35:55

company, the Trophy Centre, which opened in 1984.

0:35:550:35:59

Kelly became a director of the business in 1986 and remained

0:35:590:36:02

on its board until 2005.

0:36:020:36:05

From around 1998 ? the year Torbett was jailed ?

0:36:050:36:10

Jack McGinn was an employee, of the Trophy Centre.

0:36:100:36:12

Kelly and McGinn's association with Torbett's business continued -

0:36:120:36:15

even after he was jailed for child abuse.

0:36:150:36:19

Kevin Kelly and Jack McGinn declined to be interviewed

0:36:190:36:21

for this programme.

0:36:210:36:26

In letters to the BBC, Mr Kelly and Mr McGinn said to draw

0:36:260:36:29

an inference they knew of Mr Torbett's conduct

0:36:290:36:33

is totally without foundation.

0:36:330:36:36

Both said they would have done all they could to prevent the return

0:36:360:36:42

of Mr Torbett to the Boys' Club had they known of,

0:36:420:36:45

or had been provided

0:36:450:36:46

with evidence of any historic abuse.

0:36:460:36:49

Remember, Torbett was only ever convicted for crimes

0:36:490:36:51

committed up to 1974.

0:36:510:36:55

And we know he returned to Celtic Boys' Club by the early

0:36:550:36:58

'80s, apparently with the blessing of the Celtic board.

0:36:580:37:03

No-one has yet spoken out about abuse during Torbett's second

0:37:030:37:05

spell at the boys' club.

0:37:050:37:07

But what if he simply carried on offending?

0:37:070:37:13

We'd heard about a number of boys who had apparently

0:37:130:37:16

been close to Torbett.

0:37:160:37:17

The same names kept popping up.

0:37:170:37:20

One of them was Kenny Campbell.

0:37:200:37:25

We tracked him down, and nearly 30 years on,

0:37:250:37:31

he was ready to talk. Is that you there?

0:37:310:37:38

Kenny had joined Celtic Boys' Club in 1985 as a 13-year-old sensation.

0:37:380:37:42

Tell me what it was like pulling on a Celtic jersey

0:37:420:37:45

for the first time. Unbelievable.

0:37:450:37:46

Words probably couldn't describe it.

0:37:460:37:47

To be honest with you, that's how much it meant

0:37:470:37:50

to me like, you know.

0:37:500:37:51

Absolutely amazing.

0:37:510:37:53

One of the best days of my life, still is to this day.

0:37:530:38:03

One day you were at school and the next day you were talking

0:38:030:38:06

to Paul McStay, just for example, or Frank McAvennie

0:38:060:38:08

or somebody like that.

0:38:080:38:09

I was like a rabbit in the headlights.

0:38:090:38:11

How do you think your mum and dad felt about you playing for Celtic?

0:38:110:38:14

Incredibly proud.

0:38:140:38:16

Definitely.

0:38:160:38:18

My dad especially, because he was a mad Celtic fan and all.

0:38:180:38:21

It was always his ambition for me to run out of the tunnel at Parkhead.

0:38:210:38:25

Kenny moved up to the senior team in 1989 after three years

0:38:250:38:28

with the boys' club.

0:38:280:38:32

He made around 20 appearances for the reserves but never broke

0:38:320:38:34

through to the first team.

0:38:340:38:36

But from under-14s right through to the senior team,

0:38:360:38:38

Kenny says everything he did, was under the spell of Jim Torbett.

0:38:380:38:44

Pretty quickly he became a hero of mine, pretty quickly.

0:38:440:38:53

In my mind he was doing good things for us and that.

0:38:530:38:56

What was he doing?

0:38:560:39:06

Cos he pushed the chief scout at Celtic to get me signed.

0:39:060:39:08

He pushed and pushed and pushed.

0:39:080:39:10

It was between me and a boy called Paul from Eastercraigs, and I'm

0:39:100:39:13

going to be honest in front of the camera and say

0:39:130:39:16

he was a better player than what I was, but I got signed

0:39:160:39:19

and he didn't.

0:39:190:39:20

And that was mainly down to Jim pushing.

0:39:200:39:22

I'd have jumped in front of a bus for him if he had

0:39:220:39:25

asked me, guaranteed.

0:39:250:39:26

So it was as if he had a hold over us.

0:39:260:39:30

He must have had a reason for doing what he did but I know

0:39:300:39:33

what his reasons were.

0:39:330:39:40

Torbett won the trust of Kenny's parents, even spending

0:39:400:39:42

a Christmas Day with them.

0:39:420:39:44

So no questions were asked when Kenny spent most

0:39:440:39:46

weekends at Torbett's flat.

0:39:460:39:52

I was just sitting on the couch one night with him and he started

0:39:520:39:55

rubbing my leg.

0:39:550:39:56

He must have been trying to see how it

0:39:560:39:59

would go, I don't know.

0:39:590:40:00

And you were 14?

0:40:000:40:01

Aye, 14, aye.

0:40:010:40:02

Just a boy.

0:40:020:40:03

Just a kid, know what I mean,

0:40:030:40:05

I just wanted to play football.

0:40:050:40:13

Kenny says this was start of three years of sexual abuse ? continuing

0:40:130:40:16

into his time at Celtic's senior team ? at the hands of the man

0:40:160:40:19

he regarded as a hero.

0:40:190:40:27

It would be him, masturbating himself in front of you.

0:40:270:40:29

He wanted to talk dirty and things like that, you know?

0:40:290:40:32

He would be saying things to you?

0:40:320:40:34

Aye, aye, aye.

0:40:340:40:35

I mean dirty to me was a dirty window.

0:40:350:40:39

I just presumed it was normal ? just, you know what I mean,

0:40:390:40:42

but again, today I know it's not.

0:40:420:40:52

What did he make you do?

0:40:580:40:59

He used to get my hand, and he used to wrap his penis -

0:40:590:41:02

call it that - in a white handkerchief and he used

0:41:020:41:05

to get your hand and get you to masturbate him.

0:41:050:41:07

I didn't realise at the time that it must have been his way of trying

0:41:070:41:11

to clear his conscience.

0:41:110:41:14

Then he would, he would touch away to you and kiss away until you had

0:41:140:41:17

an erection and then he would just take it from there.

0:41:170:41:27

Roughly, do you know how many times this happened?

0:41:290:41:31

Time after time after time.

0:41:310:41:33

That was just the start.

0:41:330:41:34

It progressed from there to then he would be giving

0:41:340:41:36

you money and all that.

0:41:360:41:37

It must have been

0:41:370:41:38

turning him on.

0:41:380:41:39

He would give you a ?50 note.

0:41:390:41:41

While he was abusing you?

0:41:410:41:42

Aye, aye, aye, aye.

0:41:420:41:43

I think the most money I left his house with was 530 quid.

0:41:430:41:46

Either 520 or 530.

0:41:460:41:47

Did you tell anybody about this?

0:41:470:41:49

No.

0:41:490:41:51

No, I just thought it was natural.

0:41:510:41:52

I just thought that's was what happened.

0:41:520:41:58

Did you witness Jim Torbett abusing any other boys?

0:41:580:42:00

Aye.

0:42:000:42:01

Same scenario as with myself.

0:42:010:42:06

It was like a queue at the side of his bed, there would be two

0:42:060:42:10

of you there, or maybe three there, and everybody

0:42:100:42:12

would get their turn.

0:42:120:42:13

You moved up, and you're waiting to be served

0:42:130:42:15

like a butcher's or something, something like that,

0:42:150:42:17

you know what I mean?

0:42:170:42:18

It's shocking, absolutely shocking.

0:42:180:42:19

And he would be touching each boy in turn?

0:42:190:42:22

Aye, aye, as well as himself.

0:42:220:42:28

Kenny is the first person to speak out claiming he was abused

0:42:280:42:32

at Celtic Boys' Club during Torbett's second spell.

0:42:320:42:34

But he's not the only one to come forward.

0:42:340:42:37

I was contacted by another former player.

0:42:370:42:42

Not yet ready to speak publicly, we tell his story through an actor.

0:42:420:42:47

I went to a tournament in Noyon, France.

0:42:470:42:51

I hardly kicked a ball.

0:42:510:42:57

I'd been ill, but I went along anyway to the trip,

0:42:570:42:59

because Jim asked me to.

0:42:590:43:04

Somehow, when they were handing out the awards for the trip,

0:43:040:43:08

I won boy of the tournament.

0:43:080:43:15

I was confused by that, because I know I didn't deserve it.

0:43:150:43:20

I feel I can now see what that was about.

0:43:200:43:27

Jim Torbett abused me for the next three years, dozens of times.

0:43:270:43:34

Touching me in his car, in his flat.

0:43:340:43:42

He had a hold over me ? and I never told a soul till a few months ago.

0:43:420:43:52

Jason's experience mirrors what Kenny says happened to him.

0:43:570:44:02

Which brings me to a story about Player of the Year.

0:44:020:44:05

Torbett used to keep marks out of five and it was the last

0:44:050:44:08

game of the season, and it was neck-and-neck

0:44:080:44:10

between Brian O'Neil and me, for player of the year.

0:44:100:44:12

And rightly so in the last game,

0:44:120:44:16

Brian got a five and I got a four,

0:44:160:44:18

and he beat me by one point.

0:44:180:44:20

Now obviously, I've lost Player of the Year, right, but,

0:44:200:44:22

there was a mad trumped-up thing called Boy of The Year,

0:44:220:44:27

Billy McNeil, presented me with the big trophy.

0:44:270:44:31

Now when I think back to it, it's as if it's tarnished,

0:44:310:44:34

you know what I mean, it's tarnished, it's no good,

0:44:340:44:36

it's no good, because it wasn't done for the right reasons,

0:44:360:44:39

know what I mean?

0:44:390:44:45

Kenny's Celtic career was effectively ended by illness,

0:44:450:44:47

before his life spiralled downwards into drink and drugs.

0:44:470:44:50

He's now clean and sober.

0:44:500:44:55

But how does he feel knowing Torbett was allegedly allowed to return

0:44:550:44:57

to Celtic Boys' Club, despite previous child abuse claims?

0:44:570:45:04

I feel aggrieved at that.

0:45:040:45:05

If they had never let him back in it

0:45:050:45:07

would have never happened in the first place,

0:45:070:45:09

I could have had a normal life, normal people round about me.

0:45:090:45:12

If Celtic had done their due diligence, as they always say.

0:45:120:45:15

Best club in the world and all that.

0:45:150:45:18

Aye, cheers(!)

0:45:180:45:19

Know what I mean, he should never have been allowed near it, eh?

0:45:190:45:23

And it wouldn't have happened to me.

0:45:230:45:30

I wanted to confront Torbett to put these allegations to him.

0:45:300:45:33

Neighbours told me he hadn't been seen for two months.

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Mr Torbett?

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Mr Torbett, Mark Daly from the BBC ? can we have a word please?

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I tried calling his mobile.

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Foreign ringtone.

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But I did hear from his lawyer, who told me Mr Torbett

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vehemently denies these completely false allegations.

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The lawyer said it would be inappropriate for Mr Torbett

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to provide an interview with the BBC and that

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due process of the law must be followed.

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A spokesman for Celtic FC said the Boys' Club was a separate

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and distinct organisation from Celtic Football Club.

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It was vital that justice was served at that time,

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due to the extremely serious nature of this issue.

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Celtic asks anyone with any concerns to contact them.

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The Scottish FA has launched a major inquiry into historical abuse.

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But our investigation has revealed fresh claims of abuse ? stretching

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back decades ? and repeated missed opportunities to stop it.

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The BBC is prepared to assist police in any inquiries.

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The reputation of football and those within it,

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who play the sport.

0:47:020:47:09

And to those children ? who as men have found the courage to speak out

0:47:090:47:13

? the beautiful game will be forever in debt.

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If you spend too much time dwelling on it,

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it's going to destroy you.

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That's the thing.

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Talk to someone ? anyone.

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Get it off your chest.

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Tell your best friend.

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Just talk to somebody you trust.

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Why is now the time?

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Just so I can sleep at night better.

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The knot's away out my stomach.

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I've had a knot in my stomach for 20 years.

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I didn't know what it was.

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It's away now.

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You wouldn't believe it, wouldn't believe it.

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For a long, long time I've felt like I've been standing at the edge

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of a bridge but having spoke to the people that matter

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in my life, I've been able to get onto that bridge.

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I'm not quite over the other side yet.

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But I'm on the bridge.

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