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Reporting from Washington, I'm Laura Trevelyan.

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The Dutch voters have had their say, exit polls showed the current Prime

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Minister has held off the challenge of far right leader Geert Wilders.

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US officials point the finger at Russia for a hack which led

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to hundreds of names, email addresses and passwords

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And: Michelangelo was undoubtedly one of the Renaissance masters.

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We explore the rivalry and partnership which shaped his work.

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Welcome to our viewers on public television in America -

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Polls have closed in the Netherlands and today's election is being seen

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by many a big test of the way the winds of populism

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Attention was focused on the country's far-right leader,

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Geert Wilders, who has mounted a challenge to the centre-right

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Mr Wilders is running on an anti-immigration platform.

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He's pledged to take the Netherlands out of the EU,

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And earlier, he had this message to Muslims who don't like that idea.

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Well, Prime Minister Mark Rutte is hoping to stop Geert

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He warned today that this ballot will set the tone for other

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elections across Europe, like the French Presidential

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I know the International journalists are very interested in this. This is

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Brexit, after the American elections, we have the upcoming

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French and German elections for a big democracy like the Netherlands

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to make a point, to stop this toppling over the wrong sort of

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populism. And there is still a risk that we up Thursday morning and see

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that occur to is reading the biggest party.

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The latest exit poll, Mark Rutte's centre-right party is projected to

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win 31 seats out of a total of 150. For ahead of the next three

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contenders including Geert Wilders, his anti-immigration Freedom Party,

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the Christian Democrats and the Liberals which each got 90 seats.

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Our reporter is in The Hague. I spoke to him about these exit poll

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results a short time ago. Doesn't look as though this wave of populism

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which began in Brexit and swept of the Atlantic to Donald Trump has

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stalled in the Netherlands? Certainly, we can describe Geert

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Wilders as a populist and if this is not a disastrous result for him, it

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is not the significant shift in the voting that he would have been

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hoping for. There were times when he was polling well ahead of Mark

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Rutte's party and that has not materialised on voting day.

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Interesting talk on the politicians here, some quite resistant to the

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idea that what is happening in the Netherlands is connected to the US

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and the UK. But Mark Rutte push that point heavily, he said, there could

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be a domino effect from Brexit, Trump, the Netherlands and

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potentially to France and Germany. For some people, that was a

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persuasive message and he will be delighted with the night's results,

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exit polls, it is not a result yet. He looks like he will form the next

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coalition although we will have to wait for the results. Departments to

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Mark Rutte how to tax far to the right to defeat Geert Wilders? He

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certainly did attack further to the right than some of his supporters

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would have wanted, he made it clear in a number of high-profile

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statements that if anybody comes to live in this country, they need to

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be prepared to adopt certain Dutch values. How you define Dutch values

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is a difficult thing to do, but he had a stronger message in the last

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six months than we have seen from him previously. I should also

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mention what people call the Turkey bounce. This highly passionate

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vitriolic argument between Turkey and the Netherlands over a cancelled

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rally on Sunday has allowed Mr Rutte to seems strong in the face of

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fierce criticism and most commentators agree that favoured him

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in the last couple of days. Marine Le Pen in France will be watching

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this result very closely, what is the message to her, do you think?

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Well, I think Marine Le Penn would say, please don't compare me with

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Geert Wilders and the Freedom Party here, I am my own national and my

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own quite different. Geert Wilders and other politicians in the

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Netherlands have tapped into a frustration at Western consensus

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around issues of immigration and the trade. She liked and it is true,

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there are a huge number of parties in the Netherlands and makes it hard

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for any party, Wilders or others, the poll highly, so we cannot draw

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huge conclusions about how well she might do in a completely different

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electoral system when the French presidential election comes around.

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From the Netherlands, thank you. Two Russian intelligence agents

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and two hackers have been charged in a breach at Yahoo that affected

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at least half a billion The incident occurred in 2014 and,

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today, the FBI came forward It comes at the same time

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the House Intelligence Committee is looking into Russian involvement

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in the US election. And when it comes to those charges

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by President Trump that his phones were tapped before the election

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by the previous administration, here's what the Republican chair

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of the committee had to say today. As I told you last week -

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about the issue with the President talking about tapping Trump Tower -

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that evidence still remains the same, that we don't have any

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evidence that that took place. In fact, I don't believe,

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just in the last week of time, the people we've talked to,

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I don't think there was an actual For more on the wiretap

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allegation and charges announced for the Yahoo hack,

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I spoke a brief time ago with Washington Post

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columnist David Ignatius. David heard the top of the

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intelligence and evidence of the alleged wiretap that this method is

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that if damage? I think support for man of the allegations that

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President Obama ordered his lawyers have a brother. We sold exclusive.

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The White House staff and affect the way from validation.

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Those in my Trump campaign'. Authorise the machine ages. So this

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story to life. You will survive his father, though.

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'S says more interesting items will come to the forefront, what you make

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of that? We will discover the incidental collection as the FBI and

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intelligence agencies were surveying Russian targets did include people

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in Trump Tower. That is not in the President's interests and it

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continues this story of Russian hacking and contact with Trump

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associates. We are still very early in this process and I do not want to

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get two for ahead of the facts. We do have a key moment coming on

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Monday when FBI Director James Comey will be in an open hearing on

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Capitol Hill. How significant do you expect that to be? I think he will

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be very careful and guarded in what he says. It is widely believed, I

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have reported that the FBI is conducting a criminal investigation

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on this question of Russian hacking and involvement in the campaign,

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involvement with Trump associates. That is ongoing and the FBI Director

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will not want to disclose sources and methods of investigation and I

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think will not want to talk much about the details of what the

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finding. Given the criminal investigation is ongoing, how long

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will it take for these claims about Russia allowed in the early months

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of the Trump administration to clear? It could be months before the

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facts get established. I think Congress has an ingress and

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Republicans more than anyone in clearing as much this as they can

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and if there are criminal prosecutions and we have no idea of

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the evidence, but if there criminal prosecutions, we could be in the

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next year before that is resolved. The matter of Russia is swirling

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around and in a separate development, two Russian

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intelligence agents have been charged by the Justice Department

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with hacking Yahoo e-mail accounts we cannot get away from it! This

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fascinating, it demonstrates the evidence compiled in this indictment

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which alleges that the Russian intelligence service, the FSB, works

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closely with the Russian hacker underground, something people have

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often speculated about. I included that in a novel several years ago.

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It has been the subject of fiction and speculation. But this is real

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evidence that people doing criminal activity ended up providing

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information to the Russians which had other uses. Vladimir Putin is

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watching from Moscow no doubt, what must he be making of his influence

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on American politics and Yahoo hacking? This is a covert action

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with enormous results and it has tied America in knots for the last

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months. And I think Vladimir Putin was hoping that Trump would open the

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way for a different kind of relationship between Russia and the

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US, that is less likely now than it was before the election on November

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the 8th, so in that sense, Putin and Russia have lost out on what they

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hoped would be an opening. David, thank you for joining us. In other

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news, at least 30 people had been killed in a suicide bombing at the

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main courthouse in the Syrian capital Damascus. Later, a second

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attack targeted a restaurant, causing multiple casualties, mainly

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women and children. The latest in a series of bombings to hit

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government-controlled areas in Syria. Scientists claim to have

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calculated how much food the global population of spiders eats every

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year. The university appraisal estimated they consume up to 800

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million tonnes of insects, approximately the same amount as the

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meat and fish eaten by humans each year.

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After the economic crash of 2008, US interest rates were slashed

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But today, the US Federal Reserve has made a move -

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for the second time in three months, it is upping the rate and forecasts

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For more on this action, Katty Kay and Christian Fraser spoke

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to economist Diane Swonk in Chicago for their program, 100 Days.

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Diane Swonk, that's the real story here, isn't it,

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that this interest rate hike is a reflection of the fact

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In fact, Chair Yellen went out of her way to say this

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is a reflection of underlying economic fundamentals,

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no pre-emptive strike, no even scenarios about what fiscal

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And that finally, the Fed is getting what it expected in the economy,

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and it is reacting to it as they expected to react to it.

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So this is sort of a validation of it finally being credible.

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Another key point is the statement itself was slightly less

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Highlighting the symmetry of the inflation target.

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There was also a dissent, but I think highlighting of the symmetry,

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what that means is that the FED is willing to overshoot a bit

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on inflation to allow unemployment to undershoot and re-engage workers

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that have sort of been marginalised in recent years.

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That is one of the key issues and where the debate

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So I guess this is one of the questions people continue

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There we have Janet Yellen sounding optimistic,

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you yourself saying this is a good sign about the US economy,

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and yet we keep hearing from American voters

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that they are underemployed and underpaid, and that there

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is a large section of the US workforce that is not happy,

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that is not at all feeling optimistic, which is why they voted

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Exactly, and I think that is one of the reasons why not only

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is there symmetry in the inflation target, which is something

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the FED has discussed and will be debated at length.

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How high will they let it go and how low will they let unemployment go?

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Chair Yellen is a veteran of the 1990s and one

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of her goals has always been, even though she felt she didn't have

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all the tools necessary to reduce the economy immediately

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after the expansion and even later in the expansion

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without fiscal policy, which is what happened

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later in the expansion, now they do have the ability

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to allow the economy to run a little hot and re-engage those workers.

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And it's beginning to happen now, and it's necessary, we do need

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policy, fiscal policy, that is better attuned to this.

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But it is necessary to re-engage those workers around the sidelines.

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You're finally seeing firms investing in training.

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That is not something we saw earlier in the expansion.

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It's really something that was cut aggressively during the crisis.

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They're investing in workers that don't have the skills

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necessary to employ them to upgrade their skills.

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And she's hoping that will also trigger some innovation as well.

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Diane, it's Christian here in London.

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Indulge me a bit as a Brit, as a nervous Brit amid all

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the Brexit stuff that's going on here.

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If we have a world economy where the US is pushing up rates

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while the UK is keeping its rates at rock bottom, I mean,

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I'm no expert, but does that mean that the pound remains low

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Well, unfortunately, I think you're stuck with that.

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I was already there, in London, in the fall,

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So I do think it is important to understand that we are starting

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We have been competing, Central Bank policies.

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The ECB is sort of not quite ending with its dovish tinge,

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but there are some hawks in the mix now of their flock, and I think

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and I think that's going to be less accommodation, less pushing

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of the accommodation, with the European Central Bank,

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which will help to slow the appreciation of the dollar.

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On the flip side of it, it is a different equation

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All of that sort of complicating the mix, along with the triggering

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of Article 50, this is just going to be a very hard period,

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in terms of inflation picking up in the UK,

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even as the economy has held up fairly well.

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We need that US trade deal, Diane, we will send you our chief exports!

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You're watching BBC World News America.

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Still to come on tonight's programme:

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We hear from truck drivers in Europe who can't afford to live

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If you're a small business owner, you'll know that social media can

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But for millions of people across Africa, getting online can

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still be a challenge, particularly for women.

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Today, our first web literacy class is graduating.

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I am really happy to see the ladies are graduating after the course.

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Around here, it's been so difficult for women to get access

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At this minute, I'm just sending an e-mail to a client abroad.

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I think digital skills is important because I can make

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business on digital, online, selling my stuff,

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and meet new friends from all around the world.

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The jobs are too scarce, no jobs in these areas.

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But when you know how to use a computer, then you can get a job.

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I feel so great to see people's lives changing.

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Truck drivers moving goods for Ikea and other retailers

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in Western Europe are camping out in their cabs for months at a time

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because they can't afford to live in the countries they're working in.

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The East European drivers are being paid at the levels they would

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A judge has described as 'inhumane' the practice where companies

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are able to exploit loopholes in European law.

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In a trailer on the edge of Copenhagen in Denmark,

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Christian and Emilion have created their very

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Cooking from scratch saves them money.

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Is this how you want to have your breakfast?

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No, I don't want to live like this, but this is the condition.

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Emilion is moving goods for IKEA, but they don't employ him.

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His actual employer is the Slovakian firm Bring Trucking.

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European Union employment rules state that a driver temporarily

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posted away from home should be guaranteed the host nation's minimum

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But companies are exploiting loopholes in the law.

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A Danish driver can expect to take home 2,200 euros,

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But Emilion has been taking home an average monthly

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salary of 477 euros, or ?418 a month.

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Danish drivers go home every couple of weeks,

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but Emilion spends up to four months on the road.

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Bring says Emilion is responsible for taking his rest breaks

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and the company says he can go home whenever he likes.

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Emilion has just driven some IKEA stock from Denmark into Sweden.

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He only ever works in Western Europe, sometimes it might

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Yet he is being paid as if he was driving in Slovakia,

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Ikea of turning a blind eye as to how haulage companies treat their

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drivers. Ikea would say this is many different layers of companies

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operating these contracts, they cannot be expected to know. Yes, but

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the Moldovan, Ukrainian, Polish guys, remove the furniture from

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Ikea. The Dutch furniture, how can you deny? How can you not know what

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they are being paid? In a statement, Ikea said at the BBC reports very

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seriously and recognise that there is a discrepancy between these

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reports on what we find now auditing process. It is not just Ikea and the

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big retailers in the firing line. Your's politicians are also under

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pressure to act, to prevent any further deterioration in the working

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conditions of Europe's drivers. The exploitation of Emilion and

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other drivers. Michelangelo was one of the greatest

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figures of the Renaissance - and we live with his legacy

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as a sculptor, painter, Now London's National Gallery

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is shedding new light on his creative partnership

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with a less famous artist, Sebastiano, while revealing the deep

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rivalry between Michelangelo Our arts editor, Will Gompertz,

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tells this intriguing story. As sculptors go,

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Michelangelo was pretty good. Michelangelo is the peak of, er,

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skill and virtuosity. As you can see from

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this marble carving. It shows the Virgin

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and Child, with Saint John And if you look at the foot

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of Christ, down here, that's about to emerge

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from the stone. And Michelangelo wrote so poetically

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about the figure having to be The only snag was,

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while Michelangelo was busy decorating the Sistine Chapel

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ceiling, an ambitious young artist called Raphael had arrived in Rome

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and started to compete with him for commissions from

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the powerful Pope Julius II. Raphael prospered,

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while Michelangelo toiled, until he met an artist -

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ten years his junior - And he comes to Rome at that

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moment when Michelangelo Sebastiano becomes friends

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with Michelangelo and they begin this very fruitful collaboration,

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of which this is the first example. Michelangelo would make

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preparatory drawings - such as this male torso -

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which Sebastiano then rendered in paint without, it would appear,

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doing much to turn man into Madonna. The colour, the interest

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in the landscape - which, Michelangelo was never interested

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in landscape - was because Sebastiano has a real poetic feeling

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for this nocturnal landscape. With some ruins on the left

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and the waterfall there. The stakes are raised

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by Cardinal Giulio de' Medici, He commissioned two enormous

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biblical altar pieces - The 'Transfiguration',

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from Raphael, and from Sebastiano, This picture was at the centre

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of the extraordinary rivalry between Raphael and Michelangelo,

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with Sebastiano actually painting on behalf -

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one could say - of Michelangelo. So in a way, it's a sort

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of proxy battle between Could Sebastiano have done this

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without Michelangelo? Erm, Michelangelo is fundamental

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for Sebastiano's development. This sort of heroic, titanic

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character of the representations, these over-life-sized figures

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who are full of dynamic energy, these come absolutely out

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of the mind of Michelangelo. Their remarkable creative

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collaboration continued even after Raphael's death in 1520,

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but eventually ended in acrimony, with Michelangelo accusing the now

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well-to-do Sebastiano of laziness. Well, that brings today's show

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to a close, but you can find much more on all the day's news

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at our website. And to reach me, and most of the BBC

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team, simply go to Twitter. From all of us here

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at World News America, thank you for watching,

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and please tune in tomorrow.

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