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Beyond 100 Days on PBS.

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British MPs travel to Washington

to talk to American companies

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about Russian interference.

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The lawmakers are frustrated

by the tech giants' failure

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to provide useful information

about outside meddling

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in the Brexit referendum.

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But the tech companies downplay

the idea that Moscow

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used their platforms to disrupt

the Brexit campaign.

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A senior White House official,

Rob Porter, is sacked as staff

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secretary following allegations

by his two former wives

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that he battered them.

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Also on the programme:

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The US coalition kills at least

100 regime fighters,

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Damascus calls it a war crime -

the Pentagon says it has

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the right to self-defence.

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A major milestone for Marvel -

the premiere of their first black

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superhero film Black Panther.

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Get in touch with us

using the hashtag.

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Hello, I am Katty Kay in Washington,

Christian Fraser is in London.

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Tech giants in the US today pushed

back against the idea

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that their platforms were used

by Russia to meddle

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in the Brexit referendum.

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In the first ever hearing

of a parliamentary select

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committee outside the UK,

British MPs grilled the US companies

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about outside interference

in the Brexit campaign.

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The tech companies said

they did have evidence

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of interference in the US 2016

presidential election

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but very little in the UK's

referendum on Europe.

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The chair of the the digital,

culture, media and sport committee,

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Damien Collins, has struggled to get

information from the companies

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which is why they came

to Washington.

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Here's what the committee refers

to as interference.

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Would you be prepared to conduct the

same analysis which he did in the

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United States for the UK looking at

potential Russian interference in

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about the Referendum?

We are willing to cooperate into the

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investigation into whether there was

any interference in the elections in

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the UK. We have conducted a thorough

investigation around the Brexit

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referendum and found no evidence. We

have looked at advertising with any

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link to Russia and no evidence of

our services being used to interfere

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with the referendum. We are happy to

co-operate with any further efforts.

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Damien Collins, wrote

to the companies for more

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information but says he has

struggled to get the answers

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he wanted which is why

they came to Washington.

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He joined us a short time ago.

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It seems they are saying to you,

nothing to see here. There was no

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Russian involvement in the Brexit

campaign. Do you believe them?

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I think that is not proven. Facebook

is still conducting the research we

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have asked them to do and we are

waiting to see. With regard to

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Twitter, identifying a relatively

small amount of bot accounts. I

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think the true picture will be a

greater number and academics who

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have done their own research looking

at Twitter data have already found

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far more than that number.

I think it is incomplete. It is fair

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to say, isn't it, that Facebook,

YouTube and Twitter have downplayed

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the idea that Russia has meddled in

the Brexit campaign in a significant

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way on their platforms?

We don't know that they've looked.

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We have asked you Tube whether they

will provide similar evidence that

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they have provided to the Senate to

look for U-tube channels and films

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that may be linked to Russian

agencies. Facebook has yet to give

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that information to the committee,

it will be by the end of February.

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We have had a bit more information

from Twitter, we want to see if

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there is more that can be done there

and certainly independent academic

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research of Russian bot activity on

Twitter would indicate a far larger

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number of accounts that were

problematic than Twitter announced

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today.

UL had to go all the way to

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Washington to get answers and when I

look at the panel, they are not the

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most senior executives from these

companies. Do you think they are

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treating you with disdain?

I think we have had similar problems

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to the US Senate. We have had

meetings with Senator Warner and

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other senators, we have both found

it frustrating getting answers out

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of the tech companies. The reason we

decided to come to America to take

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evidence was because we wanted to

have global policy leads giving

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evidence in front of the committee

rather than the UK representatives.

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We have had that today and I think

we have had a lot of good,

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interesting evidence that I think it

does highlight, because there is a

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lack of real legal liability on

behalf of the companies to deal with

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serious social issues like this

information of fake news that they

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are not invested enough in it and it

is telling that just a tiny

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proportion of the massive amounts of

money they make from advertising do

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they reinvest in tackling this bad

content.

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You referred to research indicating

the impact was far greater.

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Scientists in the University of

California found that 45,000 tweets,

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sent by mostly Russian bots in the

last 48 hours of the referendum

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campaign. That would suggest you are

being fobbed off today and how would

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you know if you weren't being.

Quiz-mac we had a short statement

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that was read out to the committee

and all I can say is that when you

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study these, it is a partial answer

to the question you asked.

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There are plenty of other studies

that have shown far wider use of

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Russian bots and links to Russian

agencies. It is clearly a problem

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and we want to map the scale of it.

This isn't just about what happened

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during the Brexit referendum in

relation to Russia. To retire said

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today the policy is that if someone

is using an anonymous profile,

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spreading lies about you, that is

not a breach of their community

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guidelines and it is something they

wouldn't tackle and I think many

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would say that is not acceptable.

Thank you for joining us.

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Fake news is not always fake -

sometime it takes a grain

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of truth and it twists it.

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Remember this?

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A woman in a hijab looking

at her phone on Westminster Bridge

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after last years terrorist attack.

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The image went viral,

it became an Islamophobic meme.

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In fact, the woman had been helping

the first responders

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and at that moment was trying

to alert family, she was safe.

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Here's another example -

this time in America.

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Last year, two Russian-linked

Facebook pages organised opposing

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protests, on the same day,

at the same time outside

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an Islamic centre in Houston.

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You have been listening to what

Damian Collins said. My take was

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that tech companies were saying

there wasn't much meddling as far as

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they could tell, on their platforms.

That is what they were saying, that

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they would co-operate with any other

investigations that were going to

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take place. But I asked MPs, what

was the point of the hearing if

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that's all you got- these verbal

reassurances. What they said was

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that actually, they couldn't get

more than that at the moment but

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they could express their discontent

at what was going on and potentially

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recommend that in the future there

is something enshrined in law to say

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that tech companies are legally

responsible for the content that is

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produced on their platforms. They

don't have to do that now.

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Commercial enterprises at the end of

the gates are about the amount of

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time we spend on Twitter or Facebook

and it wasn't just about Russia. MPs

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were asking questions about why, for

example, some researchers showed

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that 70% of views to far right

videos on YouTube were actually

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referred by U-tube themselves on the

up next recommendation. Questions

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like that, which all the tech

companies said they were doing

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something about but there was

nothing concrete that has come out

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of this enquiry. MPs are saying it

could lead to something in terms of

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the law in the future.

There is quite some pushback from

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those on the panel today about the

Terran fake news. It is the

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favourite term of President Crump

but it is not particularly useful

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when we are talking about this

today. Sometimes there is an element

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of truth in the information.

Yes, it is not just the tech

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companies. Right now there is a

second session taking place with

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editors and American reporters as

well, looking at this topic in a

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slightly different way. A lot of the

things we are talking about and

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things like the auto complete

function on Google. Is that fake

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news? It is coming under the

enquiry. There has been research

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that if you type the word due into

the search engine, it can lead you

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to a lot of anti-Semitic sites.

There are questions over whether

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they are doing enough. But the use

of fake news is not really

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explaining what is going on here.

Very diverse issues going on here,

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not just in the tech industry but

also a traditional journalism.

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It is difficult to find the balance.

I was reading today that Germany

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have brought in some fairly

Draconian laws to tackle this, so if

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they find something that challenges

this, it has to be pulled down

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within a week or there is a £50

million fine for the company.

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Facebook only have people working

within the country so rather than

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sift through the messages, they take

them all out and that amounts to

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censorship and that is a problem

with the balance.

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That is what the French are talking

about doing. The Czech Republic is

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not taking the site down, relying on

the mainstream media to explain this

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is fake news. The trouble is people

watching the sites are not

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necessarily looking at mainstream

media so they are not actually

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getting their message out.

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An aide to President Trump

has stepped down over

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that he beat his wives.

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What's more, senior aides

to the President are said to have

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known for months about these

allegations of domestic violence.

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The Washington Post say both

of Rob Porter's ex wives accused him

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of abuse and they contacted the FBI

in January 2017 with their stories.

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In the autumn, Mr Trump's Chief

of Staff John Kelly and others

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reportedly became aware

of those allegations.

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All this time Mr Porter failed

to get proper security

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clearance because the FBI

was investigating the claims.

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John Kelly now says he's shocked

by the allegations -

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which is a bit odd as he has

reportedly known about the claims

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for six months.

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And in a statement to the Daily Mail

newspaper yesterday he said this:

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Let's get reaction to that from our

North America Editor, Jon Sopel.

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The president has always promised us

that he was going to hire the very

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best people to work in the White

House and John Kelly said that Rob

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Porter is a man of high integrity

and honour. Is this the type of man

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that is classified as the very best?

I think a lot of people thought when

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John Kelly was appointed compared to

some of the chaos that has gone

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before, he was the right person to

get the trains to run on time and

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get everything smoothly running. It

used to be when I reported at

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Downing Street that if an official

got a photograph of the Prime

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Minister, they had to buy a drink

for everyone else because they had

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got too close to the action. John

Kelly has got extremely close to

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where the action is. That is and

comfortable place to be. He is meant

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to be making sure things go

smoothly. The statement that was put

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out yesterday, I can't say enough

good things about him... Even though

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he knew about allegations that he

had beaten his two ex-wives and

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there were these photos being put

up, that doesn't really square. John

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Kelly had been someone who a few

months earlier, when defending

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Donald Trump about the way he spoke

to the family of a soldier who died

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in service, he said one of the great

things... When I was a kid growing

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up, a lot of things were sacred in

our country. Women were sacred,

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looked upon with great honour.

How does that fit with the

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photographs we saw yesterday of one

of Rob Porter's former wives, when

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she has got a huge black eye because

he hit her?

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It is very hard to reconcile.

There is the picture. Quite

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shocking.

If it is true that John Kelly knew

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about these allegations and still

put out a statement saying that Rob

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Porter was a great guy, man of

unimpeachable integrity, what are

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they giving? They have just piled up

a huge series... Maybe this will be

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something that came and went. It

suggests at the moment you have a

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chief of staff that is rather

incident prone.

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This is far from the first error of

judgment. Last week he was talking

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about the undocumented migrants, and

this is what he had to say about

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them.

There are 690,000 official

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registrants of DACA anti-President

sent over what amounts to be two and

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a half times that number, 1.8

million. The difference between 690

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and 1.8 million are those who were

maybe too afraid to sign up or were

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maybe too lazy to get off their ass.

The idea that they are not going to

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get off their ass to fill out the

right documents, it's incredible.

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As I say, the chief of staff is not

meant to be the story. They are

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meant to ensure the smooth running

of the White House machine that

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allows the President to get whatever

he wants. And it hasn't worked out

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terribly well for people who get in

the way of that. So I kind of would

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imagine that Donald Trump is pretty

angry about the way this has been

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communicated, the way his White

House has communicated. This more

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elements because apparently Rob

Porter, the man who resigned

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yesterday, was in a relationship

with the communications director who

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helped draft the original statement

talking about him being," those of

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us who have had the privilege of

knowing him are better people

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because of it. He is a man of

integrity and exemplary character

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Doc" the more that comes out the

more you have to question that.

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There are questions about the level

of security clearance he had. How

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was it that someone who couldn't

pass the highest levels of FBI

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clearance was the man in charge of

filtering which documents would get

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onto the President's desk for them

to see?

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The best of the best. The best of

the best, I like it.

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I was making the point on Tuesday

that the White House has a problem

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with letting people but this wasn't

setting because they knew about it.

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-- this wasn't vetted.

The FBI was looking at the

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allegations but all that time, and

let's call it domestic violence, the

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captain on staff. Not only was he

kept on staff, he was gradually

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promoted during the course of last

year and he was seen as one of the

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stars of the organisation and John

Kelly, the chief of staff, had to

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roll in promoting him.

They circle the wagons around him.

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What about Kelly? Could he be pushed

out?

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We hear there have been rumblings

between John Kelly and the president

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over the last few weeks and the

president hasn't always been happy

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about the way John Kelly has got

himself into the news like this but

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that he also recognises it was John

Kelly who brought an element of calm

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to what had been a very chaotic

White House. I would be surprised if

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John Kelly goes over this because

that would also have to be an

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admission by this White House that

they had got it wrong in this

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particular case.

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Syria has accused the US-led

coalition of war crimes,

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after a series of attacks on their

forces in the north east of Syria.

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US officials say at least 100

pro-government fighters

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were killed in the incident,

in retaliation, they said,

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for an "unprovoked

attack" on allied forces.

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There are reports that Russian

mercenaries were among government

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forces that were killed.

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You get the sense things are getting

worse again.

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Meanwhile in Syria, the rebel held

enclave of Eastern Ghouta,

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close to Damascus, has been bombed,

for a fourth consecutive day.

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The Syrian Observatory

for Human Rights says more

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than 200 people have been

killed since Monday.

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Some 400,000 people

are still in the province,

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food and medical supplies have not

been allowed in since last year.

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And there are reports

chlorine-filled munitions have

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been fired several times

on the rebel-controlled areas.

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And joining us now here

in Washington is James Jeffrey

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who formerly served as US Ambassador

to both Iraq and Turkey.

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Thanks very much for joining us.

This spat between the Russians and

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Americans over the air strikes and

whether Russian mercenaries might

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have been among the dead. How

serious could that be?

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This is very serious and it is not

just between Russia and the US.

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Right now this week you have Syria

as the most dangerous place in the

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world. You have the Civil War, the

fight in Eastern Ghouta between

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rebel forces and government backed

Russians and Iranians and then you

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have the Israel and Turkey, US

backed, bumping into each other but

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also trying to some degree balance

Iran and in the middle of all of

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this is Russia.

And meanwhile, Eastern Ghouta is

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meant to be a de-escalation zone but

if anything it is escalating.

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Exactly. That was a Russian

commitment that it made to the Turks

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several months ago and the Russians

are violating that and meanwhile

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they have shut down Turkish air

operations. So it is an extremely

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confused situation right now.

What do we know about the chemical

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weapon attacks in the area?

These appear to be chlorine attacks.

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The US State Department today

expressed concern about this. They

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don't have enough information,

probably, to take further action. Of

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course, Russian diplomats have

blocked this in the UN. This is

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probably not enough for a US strike

because it is chlorine, not a

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classic chemical weapon.

We are seeing the images, the kind

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of images we haven't seen for

several months and it is awful to

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see them again. You talk about this

toxic brew of different countries

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involved in the moment in Syria and

at the centre of them is Russia.

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What are the chances of a mistake

happening and Russia retaliating in

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some serious way against coalition

led troops?

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That it's a real risk but there are

risk of the Turks and allies having

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a confrontation over different views

of the P Y D in northern Syria.

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There are several problems. If the

US doesn't come up with a consistent

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policy to organise Israel and Turkey

and to take a consistent position

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vis-a-vis Russia on where Syria is

going.

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Thank you for joining us. We will be

keeping an eye on Syria because as

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you say it does seem to be

deteriorating.

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A series of aftershocks in Taiwan

have been hampering efforts to find

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survivors of Tuesday's earthquake,

which struck the popular

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tourist city of Hualien.

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At least 10 people are known to have

been killed by the 6.4 magnitude

0:20:590:21:06

quake, but revised figures suggest

only ten others are missing.

0:21:060:21:08

India's Supreme Court has ordered

the government to produce

0:21:080:21:10

a long-term plan for protecting

one of the country's

0:21:100:21:12

most precious landmarks,

the Taj Mahal.

0:21:120:21:14

The World Heritage Site faces

a range of challenges,

0:21:140:21:16

including smog and the impact

of millions of visitors.

0:21:160:21:19

After winning the superbowl,

the Philadelphia Eagles

0:21:190:21:21

are going to hold a victory parade.

0:21:210:21:22

Fans have already begun

to gather for the event,

0:21:220:21:25

which organisers hope will not see

a repeat of the looting and rioting

0:21:250:21:28

which followed the game on Sunday.

0:21:280:21:38

It was absolutely freezing, even

though it was sunny. That didn't

0:21:380:21:42

stop them because they are very

happy indeed. Free beer and free ice

0:21:420:21:47

cream. Everyone is going to be

happy. They said it would be calm

0:21:470:21:54

today. How could it be calm if there

is free ice cream? It is long

0:21:540:22:03

overdue for the Equals. The parents

are dropping off on beer and the

0:22:030:22:10

children are hyped up an ice cream!

Perfect combination!

0:22:100:22:13

The latest superhero film

from Marvel has its European

0:22:140:22:16

premiere tonight in London,

but what makes this action-adventure

0:22:160:22:18

different, is that it

features an all-black cast

0:22:180:22:20

of actors playing the heroes.

0:22:200:22:21

The film has created a huge buzz

on social media with many

0:22:210:22:27

fans using the hashtag

#WhatBlackPantherMeanstoMe

0:22:270:22:28

highlighting its significance

for black audiences.

0:22:280:22:30

Our Entertainment Correspondent

Lizo Mzimba reports.

0:22:300:22:34

A free cinema trip would have been

welcome enough for these

0:22:380:22:40

American schoolchildren,

their sheer joy is because

0:22:400:22:42

the movie is Black Panther.

0:22:420:22:45

Such is the film's significance,

people around the world are crowd

0:22:450:22:47

sourcing money to give black

children in particular

0:22:470:22:49

the opportunity to watch

it on the big screen.

0:22:490:22:52

People like this actress

from London, she has so far

0:22:520:22:55

raised around £4,000.

0:22:550:23:01

I think it is just a film

you don't really see,

0:23:010:23:04

you don't see black superheroes

in the big blockbusters.

0:23:040:23:08

The positive representation is good

for people growing up in this area

0:23:080:23:11

but I think all over the world.

0:23:110:23:16

Black Panther is being seen

as a cultural milestone.

0:23:160:23:19

A predominantly black cast leading

a big budget blockbuster.

0:23:190:23:29

People making it a reality for kids

who maybe wouldn't be able to go

0:23:290:23:36

to the movies and experience it,

I think it is beautiful, man.

0:23:360:23:43

It's the kind of film many have

been waiting decades

0:23:430:23:46

for Hollywood to make,

not only a host of black role models

0:23:460:23:49

but also strong female

characters at its heart.

0:23:490:23:57

Black Panther is a moment

and hopefully it is one...

0:23:570:23:59

It will obviously exist for long

after this particular moment we want

0:23:590:24:02

the momentum to keep going.

0:24:020:24:04

I don't think it is Black Panther's

responsibility to change the world.

0:24:040:24:10

How important was it for you making

sure this was primarily

0:24:100:24:13

a piece of entertainment,

even with this huge amount of social

0:24:130:24:15

responsibility that was inevitably

going to come into the equation?

0:24:150:24:18

That is what it is.

0:24:180:24:20

It is not a political lecture,

you know what I mean?

0:24:200:24:25

It's a movie.

0:24:250:24:28

It has got to work as that.

0:24:280:24:34

And that is a movie expected to have

one of the biggest openings ever,

0:24:340:24:40

and more importantly,

show others in the film world how

0:24:400:24:42

lucrative diversity on screen can be

in the 21st-century.

0:24:420:24:52

I would like to go and see that

although the tickets are all sold

0:24:570:25:02

out. This looks like it'll be a

massive hit. We had Wonder Woman. In

0:25:020:25:10

this film, he has a suit that is

bullet-proof.

0:25:100:25:11

Is yours? Some say that.

Shall I test it? Do you know, Idris

0:25:110:25:21

Elba was saying that he didn't get

superhero roles, he only got petty

0:25:210:25:28

criminal roles because he's a TV

companies in this country wouldn't

0:25:280:25:31

take a brisk and didn't think it was

commercially beneficial. The success

0:25:310:25:35

of this film shows it is so maybe we

will see better roles in future.

0:25:350:25:41

A good one to go and see.

0:25:410:25:43

This is Beyond 100

Days from the BBC.

0:25:430:25:45

Coming up for viewers on the BBC

News Channel and BBC World News -

0:25:450:25:49

Japan's ambassador in London warns

that no foreign company will be able

0:25:490:25:52

to operate in the UK if Brexit talks

do not secure frictionless trade

0:25:520:25:55

with the EU.

0:25:550:26:02

And talking about her time

at the White House,

0:26:020:26:04

Omarosa Manigault tells her

Big Brother housemates she's

0:26:040:26:06

still haunted by Trump's Tweets.

0:26:060:26:07

That's still to come.

0:26:070:26:08

North and south taking turns to see

which is the fastest. Tonight we

0:26:120:26:23

switch things around with the frost

towards the north and milder further

0:26:230:26:26

south. Heavy rain in moments across

western England and Wales, pushing

0:26:260:26:33

eastward overnight. Strong winds

touching gale force. A few wintry

0:26:330:26:40

showers pushing in and clearing

skies with temperatures dropping dot

0:26:400:26:44

in the north and west we see the

frost and a risk of icy surfaces

0:26:440:26:47

around. Temperatures are holding up

because of the rain towards the

0:26:470:26:52

south-east corner. Here is the

weather front as the restart,

0:26:520:26:56

splitting the country in two. In

England and Wales, heavy rain for

0:26:560:27:00

the early risers and there will be

batches of showers, mainly of rain,

0:27:000:27:07

hail and sleet pushing across. East

Anglia and the South East.

0:27:070:27:10

Elsewhere, brighter skies with a

couple of wintry showers with a lots

0:27:100:27:14

of sunshine through the afternoon.

To give back to the rush hour half

0:27:140:27:17

of the country, a lot of showers.

Mainly in northern and western

0:27:170:27:21

areas, a few eastwards on the breeze

but a lot of sunshine in between as

0:27:210:27:26

well. After an icy start,

temperatures will lift but for many

0:27:260:27:31

it will be staying in the lower

figures. Through the last stage of

0:27:310:27:37

Friday, rain in the south-east

corner will clear away and clear

0:27:370:27:39

skies again with ice around. The

greatest chance of frost into

0:27:390:27:45

Saturday morning in the south-east.

As the weather front pushes them, a

0:27:450:27:52

lot of snowfall in Scotland and into

Saturday morning in northern England

0:27:520:27:56

with strong to gale force wind. That

weather front pushes down to England

0:27:560:28:01

and Wales through the day with heavy

bursts of rain. Reaching East Anglia

0:28:010:28:06

at the end of the day. Saturday,

temperatures dropping but most

0:28:060:28:12

places seeing rain. Saturday night

Sunday we could see a nasty area of

0:28:120:28:16

low pressure developed across the

UK. It looks like England and Wales

0:28:160:28:20

will bear the brunt the southern

flank, slow across the Pennines.

0:28:200:28:25

Further north and south to get out

of the way for Sunday, pushing back

0:28:250:28:30

into north-westerly cold winds and

temperatures well down into single

0:28:300:28:32

figures. Another update later.

0:28:320:28:36

This is Beyond 100 Days,

with me Katty Kay in Washington -

0:30:090:30:12

Christian Fraser's in London.

0:30:120:30:13

Our top stories - British

politicians travel to the US

0:30:130:30:16

to grill social media companies

about how fake news is spread

0:30:160:30:22

on their platforms.

0:30:220:30:23

Japanese firms tell

Theresa May they will not

0:30:230:30:25

continue to operate in Britain

if Brexit trade barriers

0:30:250:30:27

affect their profitability.

0:30:270:30:30

Coming up in the next half hour -

In Afghanistan US forces

0:30:300:30:33

launch precision missiles

and turn their fire

0:30:330:30:34

power on the Taliban.

0:30:340:30:38

Both the United States

and North Korea engage in propaganda

0:30:380:30:41

exercises ahead of the 2018 winter

olympics that get

0:30:410:30:43

under way tomorrow.

0:30:430:30:46

Let us know your thoughts

by using the hashtag...

0:30:460:30:50

In what is perhaps a taste of things

to come in Afghanistan later this

0:30:580:31:01

year , an American B-52 bomber

dropped 24 precision-guided missiles

0:31:010:31:03

this week on Taliban training camps.

0:31:040:31:08

The US military said

the attack on Badakhshan

0:31:080:31:11

in the north east of the country

was the biggest

0:31:110:31:13

of its kind by a B-52.

0:31:130:31:15

The fighting has continued though

the winter, but as we known

0:31:150:31:18

the Taliban always gears up

for a spring offensive once

0:31:180:31:21

the opium poppy crop is in.

0:31:210:31:23

The Americans have been

focusing on that drug trade,

0:31:230:31:26

these were further attacks this time

on a Taliban opium factory

0:31:260:31:29

in Helmand province.

0:31:290:31:33

For more on America's history

of involvement with both Afghanistan

0:31:330:31:36

and Pakistan I spoke a brief time

ago with Steve Coll, author

0:31:360:31:41

of the new book Directorate S.

0:31:410:31:42

He told me about the complications

the US has faced in the region.

0:31:420:31:49

The US government as a whole

entangled itself in so many war aims

0:31:490:31:53

that were laced with contradictions

and

0:31:530:31:56

that were laced with contradictions

and the CIA was part of that failure

0:31:560:31:57

for sure, they had a long

relationship with Pakistani

0:31:570:32:02

intelligence, they knew what they

were dealing with and have

0:32:020:32:06

collaborated to help defeat Soviet

occupation but the problem was for

0:32:060:32:10

the CIA and for three

administrations they have not been

0:32:100:32:15

able to solve the riddle of

Pakistan's own interests in the

0:32:150:32:19

region and in many cases they have

judged or that they do not say

0:32:190:32:24

publicly that Pakistan was more

important in the United States in

0:32:240:32:27

Afghanistan so they got tangled up

in a series of reviews and strategy

0:32:270:32:33

reviews that ended up creating a big

muddle and that is why we have been

0:32:330:32:38

at it for so long.

In your book you

point to a turning point in

0:32:380:32:43

Pakistan's attitudes to the United

States in 2004 when America and

0:32:430:32:49

President Bush appeared to side with

India over its nuclear programme,

0:32:490:32:53

what changed in direct --

directorate S at that point?

They

0:32:530:32:59

concluded the United States was

determined to become a strategic

0:32:590:33:02

ally of India, their arch ally and

United States were withdrawing from

0:33:020:33:07

the Afghan war because of the

debacle in Iraq and between those

0:33:070:33:12

two factors the Pakistani army

returned to their traditional policy

0:33:120:33:17

towards Afghanistan which was to

seek influence in the country

0:33:170:33:21

through proxies like the Taliban

said the Taliban began to revive and

0:33:210:33:25

by 2006 it was evident that the

Pakistani intelligence service was

0:33:250:33:29

playing a role in the Taliban's

returned the Afghan battlefield.

So

0:33:290:33:35

the Pakistanis who the Taliban, the

Taliban and then starts to kill

0:33:350:33:40

people in Pakistan in much greater

numbers so the Pakistani government

0:33:400:33:44

clamps down on the Taliban within

Pakistan, Pakistan today is more

0:33:440:33:49

stable but what has happened in

Afghanistan meanwhile?

They have

0:33:490:33:54

succeeded in Pakistan in pushing a

lot of the violence back over the

0:33:540:33:58

border to Afghanistan, they were

destabilised in that period in part

0:33:580:34:02

because Al-Qaeda fled Afghanistan

after 2001 into Pakistan elaborating

0:34:020:34:07

with local groups and went to war

with the Pakistani state. By 2015

0:34:070:34:14

Pakistan had restored some security

but at Afghanistan's expense.

So,

0:34:140:34:19

today in the region what would you

say is the greatest threat to

0:34:190:34:23

American national security

interests, is the resurgence of

0:34:230:34:27

archived in Afghanistan or what is

happening in Pakistan and the

0:34:270:34:29

nuclear programme?

Both are serious

concerns not just for the United

0:34:290:34:36

States but international security

generally. They are making smaller

0:34:360:34:41

bombs, more tactical bombs, they

have dozens of extremist groups on

0:34:410:34:45

their soil, the nightmare scenario

of a group getting a hold of a small

0:34:450:34:51

nuclear weapons remain something to

be concerned about as to the

0:34:510:34:55

terrorism picture, there is an

Islamic state entity that has a

0:34:550:34:59

foothold in eastern Afghanistan, not

clear how much international reach

0:34:590:35:02

it has but it is a source of

concern, there are Al-Qaeda remnants

0:35:020:35:08

and many other groups with similar

ideology along the Pakistan

0:35:080:35:11

Afghanistan border so all the

neighbouring countries, China,

0:35:110:35:16

Pakistan, generally they will

acknowledge the US war in

0:35:160:35:20

Afghanistan has a counter-terrorism

purpose that is meaningful but the

0:35:200:35:23

problem as it is grinding on as a

stalemate and producing in many

0:35:230:35:27

cases as much instability as it is

addressing.

What was interesting

0:35:270:35:35

about what his research is in this

book which refers to the Pakistani

0:35:350:35:41

secret service department that is in

charge of dealing with the Taliban

0:35:410:35:43

is he makes a point there has been

16 years of war, billions spent by

0:35:430:35:48

the Americans and thousands of

American should have died and many

0:35:480:35:51

more than that of Afghanistan that

died but all the time you have had

0:35:510:35:56

the Pakistanis affectively

subverting America's gains in

0:35:560:36:01

Afghanistan because of their

nervousness about India and the

0:36:010:36:05

Americans getting closer to India

and the degree to which their

0:36:050:36:09

intelligence failures and strategic

failures on both sides is really a

0:36:090:36:16

staggering to report.

And the

theories they will get sucked back

0:36:160:36:21

in again, since he has taken office

Donald Trump has increased troop

0:36:210:36:25

numbers from 8500 to 14000 and

another thousands are on the way and

0:36:250:36:29

were not even into the spring

offensive.

Just like Barack Obama he

0:36:290:36:34

said he would wind down these wars.

0:36:340:36:42

The North East of England

is in the top three regions

0:36:420:36:45

of the UK that voted to LEAVE the EU

in the June 2016 referendum.

0:36:450:36:48

In a leaked government forecast -

it shows that the North East

0:36:480:36:51

is predicted to lose out the most -

regardless of the deal the UK

0:36:510:36:54

strikes with Europe -

taking a hit of up to 16% in lost

0:36:540:36:57

economic growth over

a 15 year period.

0:36:570:37:00

Compare that to London -

one of the top three regions

0:37:000:37:03

that voted to REMAIN -

and the study finds that in the very

0:37:030:37:06

worst scenario of no deal -

the economic hit would be just 3.5%.

0:37:060:37:16

And the fears of an economic

downturn following Brexit are felt

0:37:160:37:18

beyond Europe's borders.

0:37:180:37:20

Japanese manufacturers

are heavily invested in the UK.

0:37:200:37:22

Its ambassador to Britain,

after talks at Downing Street today,

0:37:220:37:25

warned of the possible consequences.

0:37:250:37:32

If there is no profitability of

continuing operations in the UK, not

0:37:320:37:38

Japanese only, no private company

can continue operations. So, it is

0:37:380:37:45

as simple as that and this is all

high stakes that I think all of us

0:37:450:37:52

need to keep in mind.

0:37:520:37:55

The billionare investor

George Soros, known as the man

0:37:550:37:57

who "broke the Bank of England"

by betting against the pound

0:37:570:38:00

in the early 90s, is now backing

a campaign to reverse Brexit.

0:38:000:38:03

George Soros has donated up

to £400,000 to pro-EU campaigning

0:38:030:38:05

group Best for Britain

through his Open Society Foundation.

0:38:050:38:08

So is there evidence that the public

wants a second referendum?

0:38:080:38:10

Or is this a case of a Remain group

asking the same question on Europe

0:38:100:38:14

until 'it get the answer it wants'?

0:38:140:38:19

Joining me now is the CEO of Best

for Britain, Eloise Todd.

0:38:190:38:24

Are you trying to subvert democracy?

Well, democracy is about listening

0:38:240:38:30

to people and understanding what

they know and what they think as

0:38:300:38:35

events change and we will be in a

new situation in the coming months,

0:38:350:38:39

the vote was nearly two years ago,

the government absolutely had a

0:38:390:38:44

right to start those negotiations,

what they did not have a right to do

0:38:440:38:48

was to seal the deal. They did not

get a blank cheque and now we have

0:38:480:38:51

seen on your report the Japanese

ambassador saying every private

0:38:510:38:55

company could be in peril in this

country, this is serious stuff and

0:38:550:38:59

it is time to people to step up and

speak out and that includes civil

0:38:590:39:04

society but also includes business

and we will see that change this

0:39:040:39:07

year.

People were warned about this

and still took the decision two

0:39:070:39:12

years ago, nothing much has changed

in terms of economic forecasts, I

0:39:120:39:17

want to talk about the Daily

Telegraph because the details of

0:39:170:39:20

this George Soros meeting in which

you got a big cheque suggests that

0:39:200:39:25

Britain invited all these

conservative donors, you told them

0:39:250:39:28

he wanted to put more pressure on

Conservative MPs who are wavering

0:39:280:39:33

and to defeat Theresa May when the

vote comes in October, even if that

0:39:330:39:37

means bringing the government down

and pushing us towards new

0:39:370:39:41

elections. That will really concern

people who voted Brexit.

I think the

0:39:410:39:46

spin that Nick Timothy has put on

this is quite clever, it also masks

0:39:460:39:50

some of the figures you were talking

about earlier and it is no

0:39:500:39:54

coincidence that came out today.

Nick Timothy was part of the story

0:39:540:39:59

and wrote a very bizarre piece in

that paper. George Soros has given

0:39:590:40:07

you a check. Yes, he has, it was not

produced at that meeting. That is

0:40:070:40:13

not news, so to speak. But what we

want to do is focus on the final

0:40:130:40:17

deal and we are clear about

opposition, lust up impressive,

0:40:170:40:20

trying to stop Brexit because we

think it will harm people across the

0:40:200:40:24

country and who are not trying to

patronise, trying to engage people

0:40:240:40:28

in this debate, we are going around

the country, my colleagues in the

0:40:280:40:31

North of England holding barnstormer

vents trying to talk to people,

0:40:310:40:36

teaching the activists that feel

passionately about staying in how to

0:40:360:40:41

have an open conversation can we do

not want this to be divisive any

0:40:410:40:44

more but we know people are trying

to change their mind and we want to

0:40:440:40:48

let them know that until the 29th of

March 2019 we are members of the EU

0:40:480:40:53

and if we think this is a bad idea,

for the businesses start to leave,

0:40:530:40:57

if the jobs start to go, if people

think I'm not sure about this then

0:40:570:41:01

we can have a vote on the new set of

arrangements and it is vital people

0:41:010:41:06

know we could still stay in if we

want to.

What is the evidence you

0:41:060:41:12

have when you say people are trying

to change their minds because the

0:41:120:41:16

perception I have is every time data

is produced whether this economic

0:41:160:41:22

impact report or other data, if it

is data that supports Brexit then

0:41:220:41:27

believe people are happy and if it

is data that is against Brexit, the

0:41:270:41:31

remaining people are happy but no

one seems to change their minds in

0:41:310:41:33

the face of numbers.

Actually, the

latest figures show that there is a

0:41:330:41:40

bigger gap than ever between those

that regret Brexit at 46% and 40%

0:41:400:41:45

that think it was a good idea. And

that gap is widening and it is

0:41:450:41:49

important to note. This will not be

won by facts and figures, it is the

0:41:490:41:54

real stories, I was contacted by a

friend who knew somebody who had all

0:41:540:41:59

ready had their hours cut at Elsner

Port car factory and it was a really

0:41:590:42:03

big stress on the factory -- family

because they did not know how they

0:42:030:42:07

would match outgoings with incomings

and a friend who has been reasonably

0:42:070:42:12

casual about Brexit thinking

committed to shame and then he said

0:42:120:42:16

actually my start-up might have to

relocate to Europe because we do

0:42:160:42:20

business overseas and I never

thought of that, how can I help so

0:42:200:42:24

what we are seeing is the real

stories trickle through and people

0:42:240:42:29

from my hometown in Hull who have

seen this boost to the NHS is

0:42:290:42:34

frankly is not happening whatsoever

and if anything it is under more

0:42:340:42:38

strain on another, these things are

being noticed, it is the stories of

0:42:380:42:42

the real people in this country that

will change the game on Brexit. It

0:42:420:42:48

is about public opinion and the MPs

in Westminster have an absolute duty

0:42:480:42:52

to listen to people if they change

their mind. We are fighting for an

0:42:520:42:57

open debate and the discussion was

not around during the referendum.

0:42:570:43:02

Thank you for coming in.

0:43:020:43:04

Twitter, President Trump's preferred

social media outlet,

0:43:040:43:06

has posted its first

ever quarterly profit.

0:43:060:43:08

The news sent the company's

shares surging more

0:43:080:43:11

than 18% in early morning trading

in New York.

0:43:110:43:14

That was despite the number

of people using the social network

0:43:140:43:16

coming in below expectations.

0:43:160:43:20

A new behaviour code is to be

introduced for thousands of people

0:43:200:43:22

working in the UK Parliament -

as part of an attempt

0:43:220:43:25

to crackdown on bullying

and abuse at Westminster.

0:43:250:43:28

The proposals have been

drawn up by a cross-party

0:43:280:43:31

group; they include an independent

complaints process, confidential

0:43:310:43:34

helplines and compulsory

training for everyone.

0:43:340:43:37

There'll be separate

procedures for allegations

0:43:370:43:38

of sexual harassment.

0:43:380:43:42

When President Trump visited France

he was witness to a parade

0:43:420:43:44

of the French military.

0:43:440:43:48

He later said "It was

one of the greatest

0:43:480:43:50

parades I've ever seen".

0:43:500:43:51

This week he asked officials

to organise an American version

0:43:510:43:53

in the nation's capital.

0:43:530:43:55

The Pentagon today said that that

Washington DC was only one option,

0:43:550:43:58

and that other locations

were also being discussed.

0:43:580:44:07

In the run-up to the Winter Olympics

in South Korea there's a big

0:44:070:44:10

propaganda war between North Korea

and its adversaries.

0:44:100:44:12

Today the North held

a military parade attended

0:44:120:44:15

by leader Kim Jong-un.

0:44:150:44:18

Meanwhile US Vice-President Mike

Pence arrived in South Korea and met

0:44:180:44:23

South Korean President Moon.

0:44:240:44:27

Both American and North Korean

officials say the two sides

0:44:270:44:30

won't meet at the games -

even though the vice-president

0:44:300:44:33

and Kim Jong-un's younger

sister will be seated just

0:44:330:44:35

metres apart at

the opening ceremony.

0:44:350:44:40

Kim Yo-jong will be the first

immediate Kim family member

0:44:400:44:43

to cross the border.

0:44:430:44:44

Joining another famous relative...

0:44:440:44:47

President Trump's daughter Ivanka,

who will also reportedly attend

0:44:470:44:50

several of the sporting events

in the games.

0:44:500:44:58

Awkward, a little.

It may just be

awkward.

His sister is the first of

0:44:580:45:06

the dynasty to come to South Korea

since the 1950s and she will meet

0:45:060:45:10

President noon on Saturday at a

dinner. He sees it as an opportunity

0:45:100:45:16

to talk to the north Koreans, I'm

not sure how the Americans will feel

0:45:160:45:20

about that, they have concerns about

President noon and the way he's

0:45:200:45:23

approaching it. They have real

concerns about this rapprochement to

0:45:230:45:29

being used by Pyongyang to say

everything is fine and we are

0:45:290:45:34

starting to integrate ourselves and

be a good neighbour and we can be

0:45:340:45:38

treated as a normal part of the

global community. That is the

0:45:380:45:41

Americans concern and why Vice

President Pentz arrived in Japan to

0:45:410:45:45

say we want to make it clear this is

all propaganda. I was hearing from

0:45:450:45:55

South Korea and apparently they held

that video and put it out just at

0:45:550:45:57

the time when Vice President Pentz

arrived and in South Korea they were

0:45:570:46:03

watching split screens so instead of

having this big arrival of Vice

0:46:030:46:06

President Pentz, you had two things

going on at the same time which

0:46:060:46:11

explains the propaganda war going

on.

0:46:110:46:13

Ok earlier in the show

we were talking about White House

0:46:130:46:15

staffing and departures and now

we can bring you an update

0:46:150:46:18

on one person who shown

the door in December.

0:46:180:46:22

Omarosa Manigault joined

the Trump campaign early

0:46:220:46:23

on after starring in the Apprentice.

0:46:230:46:25

When he won she got a job

in the White House.

0:46:250:46:29

No one quite knew what she did

there and then in December she left

0:46:290:46:32

amidst reports of a confrontation.

0:46:320:46:35

Now she is about to star in the real

reality show Big Brother and ahead

0:46:350:46:41

of her debut they released this clip

of her talking about her time

0:46:410:46:44

in the White House.

0:46:440:46:49

I felt like it was a call of duty,

like I was serving my country, not

0:46:490:46:54

him. When accept a political

appointment it was always the

0:46:540:46:59

country. I was haunted by tweets

every day, what would he tweets

0:46:590:47:06

next?

Does anybody say Tim, what are

you doing?

I try to be that person

0:47:060:47:13

and all the people around him

attacked me, keep him away, do not

0:47:130:47:17

give her access, do not let her talk

to him. Who has that power to say

0:47:170:47:29

what is going on? I am not there, it

is not my circus, not my monkeys. I

0:47:290:47:37

would like to say not my problem but

I can't say that because it is bad.

0:47:370:47:48

Not my circus, not my monkeys. What

is that all about? That is

0:47:480:47:52

extraordinary! Have a look at this

picture. I was googling today, this

0:47:520:47:59

is a picture we found. Rob Porter in

the headlines at the back and

0:47:590:48:17

gawker, who was the go front who has

his finger out was on the campaign

0:48:170:48:23

also of beating a woman so you do

have to say this White House has an

0:48:230:48:33

extraordinary staff of characters

and by the standards of most

0:48:330:48:36

administrations an awful lot of

turmoil for a president who made a

0:48:360:48:39

big thing in the campaign of saying

he would hire the very best people.

0:48:390:48:42

If you look at all five of those

people who left the campaign or the

0:48:420:48:46

White House under something of a

cloud but that bit about it is not

0:48:460:48:51

my circus, not my monkeys, I wonder

how that is going down in the White

0:48:510:48:55

House today. Interesting this into

drift into these things, Rob Porter

0:48:550:48:59

wasn't in front of the President for

awhile and ended quite a good job

0:48:590:49:03

and came and close. For months we

did not know what she did but they

0:49:030:49:10

seem to hang around and fit in.

Let's see if there any more of them

0:49:100:49:18

or that is it.

0:49:180:49:19

This is Beyond 100 Days.

0:49:190:49:20

Still to come - They packed

their bags and moved to Canada

0:49:200:49:23

after Donald Trump's victory.

0:49:230:49:24

We check in to see how

the couple from South Carolina

0:49:240:49:26

is doing up North.

0:49:270:49:31

New figures have revealed January

to be one of the toughest months

0:49:340:49:37

ever for A&E departments in England.

0:49:370:49:40

And hospital-only A&Es

recorded their worst ever figures

0:49:400:49:42

since records began.

0:49:420:49:44

Trolley waits continue

to be a big problem too,

0:49:440:49:48

with 1000 patients waiting more

than 12 hours to be cared for by any

0:49:480:49:51

medical staff at all.

0:49:510:49:52

Our Health Editor Hugh Pym reports.

0:49:520:49:57

The NHS flat out with staff working

at a frantic pace just to keep

0:49:570:50:01

services running. That is the

picture which emerges from the

0:50:010:50:04

figures for January in England, a

service overstretched and intense

0:50:040:50:07

strain. In some areas there are

schemes trying to curb the number is

0:50:070:50:13

going to hospital, here are senior

A&E consultant is out on the road

0:50:130:50:18

with a paramedic taking hospital

care to patients at home.

We carry a

0:50:180:50:23

laptop giving us direct access into

the same hospital system that we

0:50:230:50:30

have, we have another job.

That job

is to meet up with an ambulance crew

0:50:300:50:34

which is picked up a woman with

chest pains. Tony's experience as a

0:50:340:50:38

consultant means he can reassure the

patient she is safe to stay at home.

0:50:380:50:43

Presumably it is a relief he did not

have to go to hospital.

Brilliant. I

0:50:430:50:48

did not want to go to hospital.

In

the 3.5 months since its relaunched,

0:50:480:50:55

more than 300 patients have been

treated at home who otherwise would

0:50:550:50:58

have needed ambulances to take them

to A&E. Some of them would have

0:50:580:51:02

otherwise been admitted to hospital

so beds have been freed up for

0:51:020:51:07

others. But they recognise the huge

pressure every day across the NHS.

0:51:070:51:12

There is frustration but we want to

be able to say we have done the best

0:51:120:51:17

for our patients and when the system

makes that difficult, back and be

0:51:170:51:21

frustrating. And working in an

overly congested system sometimes

0:51:210:51:25

leaves us feeling that we cannot

deliver the best possible care for

0:51:250:51:28

patients.

They are trying to deliver

that level of care and as for much

0:51:280:51:34

staff it has been harder than ever

this winter.

0:51:340:51:41

You're watching Beyond 100 Days...

0:51:410:51:43

After the last presidential election

you had a few people declare

0:51:430:51:46

they were moving to Canada.

0:51:460:51:48

Well Robin and Heather

Vargas actually did it.

0:51:480:51:50

We met them a few months ago

when they were packing to leave

0:51:500:51:53

South Carolina and head north.

0:51:530:51:54

Now they are settled

in their new home in Halifax,

0:51:540:51:57

Nova Scotia and we've gone to hear

how it's going.

0:51:570:52:05

We knew Canada was not a liberal

mecca but we felt some reasons we

0:52:050:52:10

left America there is more than we

had originally assumed in Canada.

0:52:100:52:22

It has been interesting since we

have talked about moving up here

0:52:320:52:35

that feedback we have gotten from

the public, first thing everybody

0:52:350:52:39

said is you know it is cold in

Canada. Yes, we are aware so it is

0:52:390:52:44

funny after we moved Carolina got

snow for the first time in decades

0:52:440:52:49

so it wasn't like that here so you

got a message everybody, where is

0:52:490:52:54

the cold now? We had similar

messages on Facebook, I stopped

0:52:540:52:57

counting people giving us their

phone numbers and saying let's take

0:52:570:53:00

you out and we will show you out and

welcome to Halifax.

0:53:000:53:04

We received some backlash for

reasonings and what were assumed

0:53:110:53:20

point of use. I guess because I am

Hispanic people thought I was

0:53:200:53:23

straight up illegal.

We are not

claiming refugee status, that seems

0:53:230:53:28

to be a thing because of the fleeing

Taider, we're not trying to do that.

0:53:280:53:33

We did everything through legal

challenges -- legal channels and it

0:53:330:53:36

was arduous but worth it. You read

the American headlines it is like

0:53:360:53:46

this my life, my reality and my

country and it is funny you feel

0:53:460:53:50

like you apologise every other day

for all of it and in Canada it is

0:53:500:53:55

almost like you you get to step back

and I can breathe, this is in my

0:53:550:54:01

country, we are still citizens and

love America but it is different

0:54:010:54:04

when it is out of the country.

0:54:040:54:07

A lot of it is the political

ideologies, more of a conservative

0:54:170:54:22

mindset you left a great country

with a great president but if you

0:54:220:54:25

are a more liberal mindset it is

welcome to Canada, there is that

0:54:250:54:31

divide which is very heavily present

in America and who are familiar with

0:54:310:54:35

that and that is one of the biggest

things it is still very heavily

0:54:350:54:38

present in Canada, too.

We're not

saying our interactions with people

0:54:380:54:44

in are bad but here they are more

welcoming and more supportive.

The

0:54:440:54:51

slogan is diversity is our strength

and that is very apparent.

And it

0:54:510:54:55

shows, through and through.

Life in

Nova Scotia. Next week is the Winter

0:54:550:55:05

Olympics. And Christian will not be

with us, we think the two are

0:55:050:55:09

related because take a look at this.

I hear you are a very good skier.

0:55:090:55:15

And you are very good at doing

tricks in particular. You have been

0:55:150:55:23

trained. Christian is upside down.

And this means we are hoping on

0:55:230:55:27

behalf of team beyond 100 days you

might end up with one of these. You

0:55:270:55:35

said you are going on her term but

we believe you are going and during

0:55:350:55:39

the Olympics.

I'm going into an

endurance sports next week taking

0:55:390:55:43

the kids skiing. Have you got your

skis and polls, hat and gloves. It

0:55:430:55:50

is exhausting.

Can I have a hot

chocolate? Have a good week. Have a

0:55:500:56:00

good half term. See

0:56:000:56:01

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