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It's been an extraordinary year for British politics and helping us to | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
get underneath the skin of that is our panel this morning. So in order | :00:31. | :00:36. | |
of speaking, I'm delighted to introduce Dr Chris Crosser from th | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
University of Manchester and the British election study who is look | :00:41. | :00:56. | |
at voting atty Tuesday. -- voting atty Tuesday. Professor Henderson | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
who will talk us through the view on Scotland an Professor Tim Bale from | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
Queen university London. Without further ado, I'll hand over to Chris | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
to kick us off. I want to talk about three things. I want to put the | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
current election into long-term context looking at how voters have | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
changed the way they behave over a long period and also comparing | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
attitudes towards the parties and leaders to the last couple of | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
elections. Anyone who asks the question is this the Brexit | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
election, that is the big question on everyone's minds, then I want to | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
touch on the role of leadership. I'm joined by the Internet panel which | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
interviews 30,000 people per wave and we have been running the current | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
one since 2013 but it's been going for much longer, the British | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
election study has run since 1964. The most recent wave was in December | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
of last year and ideally we would have had slightly more recent data | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
but the Prime Minister didn't give us quite enough notice unfortunately | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
to get that out in time. So one of the interesting things | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
about this election is whether it marks a return to a two-party | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
system. So Ukip look like they're collapsing, the Lib Dems are | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
struggling to regain their previous levels of support and with the | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
exception of Scotland, as I'm sure we'll be reminded later, it looks | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
like a one-horse race and a maybe a one-and-a-half horse race in | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
England. If the polls are right, this is what the shared two party | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
vote is over the years. It's declined massively over a long | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
period of time since the 50s when the Conservatives and Labour got | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
more than 90% of the vote to the most recent election where they only | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
got 70%. If it twos back up to the sort of level expected by the polls, | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
it marks a return not quite to the levels of two-party competition that | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
we saw in the 50s and 60s, but at least maybe to the 80s and 90s. I | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
want to say that even if this is apparent return to the previous | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
model of British politics, the sort of things underlying politics | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
haven't changed in the same direction. So I don't think we are | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
really going to see a long-term shift back to the way politics used | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
to be. This graph shows the percentage of voters who switch | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
parties between elections and we know this because we take interviews | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
from people at one election and ask if they are ready and reinterview | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
years later and ask who they voted for. This number's gone up seasonth | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
substantially. We have this second election that we can choose from, | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
for the first time, only 13% of respondents changed parties between | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
electionses. So just over one in ten. Whereas in 2015 which marks the | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
high watermark of switching, 43% of the electorate voted for someone | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
different than who they voted for five years previously in 2010. The | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
reasons for this are long and complicated and I don't have time to | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
begin to to them, but basically -- time to go into them, but basically | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
the breakdown of strong class hierarchies and Trade Unions and | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
that sort of thing which pinned people into the two party system | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
have eroded over a long period. This is unlikely to reverse. Even if if | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
election looks like a return to the way things used to be, the things | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
underpinning it that have led to the fragmentation of British politics | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
are unlikely to go away. Now I want to look at how things have changed | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
since 2010 and 2015. If you look at the polls, things have changed | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
dramatically since 2010 and 2015, but if you ask people the slightly | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
different question, not who they are going to vote for but how they feel | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
about the parties, actually the changed are much more muted. So this | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
is the average level of liking of parties at each election and you can | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
see that OK the Conservatives are slightly more popular than they were | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
last time but they're not really much popular than they were in 2010 | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
and OK Labour is slightly less popular than in 2015 but only by a | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
tiny bit and actually they are much more popular than they were in 2010. | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
If you compare this to the really big changes in British politics like | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
the change in how people felt about the Lib Dems after 2010 or about the | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
SNP in Scotland after the reference double, the shifts in feelings about | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
the Conservative Labour are really quite small. But if you look at how | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
people feel about the leaders of the parties, there's a little bit more | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
change. You can see Theresa May is well-liked, more so than David | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
Cameron was either before he came Prime Minister or in 2015. Jeremy | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
Corbyn is slightly less well liked than Ed Miliband but the notable | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
thing is that it's not that much different from how people felt about | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
Ed Miliband. There's something I want to come back to later on, but | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
the thing to remember about leadership, it's much more volatile | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
than how people feel about the parties. The current election, the | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
Tories are doing particularly well because Theresa May is so popular, | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
but people's attitudes about leaders tend to change rapidly more so than | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
parties, so if something went wrong with Brexit or if Labour managed to | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
elect a more popular leader, we could see a quick reversal of | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
fortunes in the polls. Now the big question is, is this the Brexit | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
election. One question we asked people in the surveys is what is the | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
most important issue facing the country. The easy way to visualise | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
the responses is to do a word cloud which weights the size of words | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
according to how frequently they are mentioned in people's responses. | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
This is a free text to an open-ended response. People are worried about | :07:00. | :07:08. | |
Brexit and other issues like the NHS, immigration. They are slightly | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
misleading though because they reward pluralities and punish people | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
who disagree, much like our electoral system, it's actually the | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
majority of people didn't say Brexit, only 43% of the sample said | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
Brexit was the most important issue. It's high for a question of this | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
type. Brexit seems to be at the forefront of people's mind but the | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
effect it's having on the way people cast their votes is very confused | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
and noisy and it's not clear at all that we are going to get the same | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
realignment that we have in Scotland after the Scottish independence | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
referendum. So these graphs show the flow of the vote between 2015 and | :07:49. | :07:58. | |
our last survey in 2016. So December 2016, so post-referendum. So the two | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
things to note I think really are one how much movement there is in | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
all directions, so yes, you know, there are people moving from Labour | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
to the Lib Dems on the remain side, people moving from Labour to the | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
Tories on the leave side. Actually, there are people moving all over the | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
place and there's a lot of people who're unsure about who they're | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
going to vote for. So it looks like, although some people are being | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
shifted by Brexit, mostly it's causing volatility and uncertainty | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
in the election rather than reforming the lines of party | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
competition in a clear way. If it's not Brexit, what is it? The | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
obvious answer is it's about leadership and competence. I showed | :08:43. | :08:49. | |
you the like figures before I showed you that Jeremy Corbyn was less well | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
liked than Theresa May. Probably more important is the final set of | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
bars which asked people how competent they thought Corbyn and | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
May were. So although Corbyn is always lagging behind May on whether | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
they are liked or have integrity, it's this competence one that picks | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
out the difference between them. Another way of visualising this is | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
to think about how the returns on liking a leader translate into | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
thinking that they will be the best Prime Minister. This graph plots | :09:23. | :09:30. | |
responses from these questions. So along the bottom is how people felt | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
about each leader, so how you felt about Corbyn and how you felt about | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
May and then going up is the proportion of those people in each | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
of the categories for each leader who thought that that person would | :09:43. | :09:43. | |
be the best Prime Minister. You can see that even when people | :09:44. | :09:53. | |
don't like May they think she would be a better Prime Minister than | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
people who think the same way about Corbyn. Only about one in ten think | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
that Corbyn would be the best Prime Minister but four in ten think May | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
would be the best Prime Minister. When you go up to seven which is | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
quite high, and remember the average is between 4-5, so someone that | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
likes Corbyn a seven on this scale is twice as positive about Corbyn as | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
the average voter in Britain. But even there: only four in ten of | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
those people think he would be the best Prime Minister compared to 85% | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
of the people who think that way about May. So I think that is why | :10:34. | :10:40. | |
the election is going the way it is. Some people think Corbyn looks like | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
a nice guy, might have nice valleys, they might agree with his policies, | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
but they don't think he has what it takes to be Prime Minister. On a | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
final note, I would caution against separating out Brexit and leadership | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
entirely. Here I've broken down how people feel about May and Corbyn by | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
their vote in 2015 and their vote in the EU referendums. You can see that | :11:05. | :11:11. | |
for the Conservatives, May is definitely more popular but she's | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
more popular amongst leavers than remainders. The really interesting | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
one is labour. Corbyn is more popular amongst remainers and May is | :11:20. | :11:31. | |
more well liked amongst leave voters than Corbyn is. These things are | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
interacting in a way that is advantage in the Conservatives and | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
the issues of leadership and Brexit are very much entangled in the | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
election. Thank you. Can I handover to Jennifer. I'm going to talk about | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
two different topics today. The first is around the selection of | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
women in the 2017 campaign, and that is a bit about what voters 's | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
emotional responses are towards the campaign and the party leaders. | :12:02. | :12:10. | |
and the election so far around the and the election so far around the | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
selection of women, and the great strides that have taken place not | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
just in 2017 but since 1997. One argument we've made is the | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
centralised election process, as a result of the snap election, gave | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
the party leadership and opportunity to push and equality agenda if they | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
chose to. What we've seen is the result is that with women to win on | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
the conservative side, there has been a dramatic increase in the | :12:44. | :12:50. | |
percentage of women selected to contest the election. This isn't | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
just about that kind of effort. Lots of women candidates ask citing the | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
Theresa May factor, there a bit more confidence about their ability to | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
stand as candidates. There is also a shift in local selectors, that if a | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
woman is good enough to be Prime Minister she should be good enough | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
to be a candidate as well. Lots of noise around equality and that has | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
resulted in a higher percentage of women selected. Overall for all | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
candidates, we know that women constitute just under 30%, so 29%, | :13:23. | :13:32. | |
and that is up 3% from 2015. In 2015 26% of candidates were women and in | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
2017 is now 29%. When we break that down by parties, you can see that | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
for Conservative, Labour and Lib Dems, their percentage of women | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
candidates has gone up from 2015. 29% of candidates are women | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
candidates for the Conservative Party, 41 for Labour and 29 for the | :13:54. | :14:01. | |
Lib Dems. For Ukip, and SNP this has gone down slightly. In some cases, | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
particularly for Ukip and the Greens, they aren't fielding as many | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
candidates and I think the effort around selection for women for those | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
parties has reduced. We've taken this information and Chris and | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
colleagues at UEA have done one of their early forecasts in terms of | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
what would the outcome look like in terms of total number of MPs, but | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
also what would that do for the gender balance of the new | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
Parliament. Our estimates for the forecast of all MPs would be 410 for | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
the Conservatives, 150 acre labour, eight for Lib Dem and 74 for the | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
other parties. When we look at that for the impact on what that will | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
have, so how does that selection of women translate into representation | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
in the Commons, we project 98 for the Conservatives, 73 for Labour, | :14:56. | :15:03. | |
and just one for the Lib Dems. 22 for other parties. This presents an | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
interesting change in the Commons and an interesting change around the | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
dynamics of gender. When we moved to compare that to 2015, there are | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
three points we can take away. First is that 2017 isn't going to be the | :15:18. | :15:24. | |
step change in gender representation we saw in 2015. In 2015 we finished | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
with 191 women MPs elected, and we aren't going to see that kind of | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
percentage change increase. Our projection is will see a total of | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
194 women MPs, which is obviously three better than 2015, but it's | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
actually down on the number at dissolution. There were 196 at the | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
time of dissolution. From where we were in early May and will actually | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
be slightly lower than that. There are two other points that I think | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
are interesting. The first is that the Conservatives will take over as | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
the party who are leading an women MPs. They will have just short of | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
100 women MPs, they will have more women MPs than any other party in | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
Parliament. However, their percentage of women MPs is still | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
significantly lower than Labour. It is still a man's party in terms of | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
representation in the Commons. For the Conservatives, just 24% of MPs, | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
and this is a projection, will be women. When we compare that to the | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
Labour Party, almost 50% of the Labour Party MPs will be women. In | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
terms of their Parliamentary party it's a significant difference in | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
terms of what we see the balance of representation. In terms of that | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
more subtle shift in terms of who owns and is leading the dialogue | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
around women's representation, the efforts by Theresa May, by Baroness | :16:54. | :17:00. | |
Jenkin, have really shifted the perception of the role of women | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
within the Conservative Party. Switching gears, we wanted to have a | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
think about the campaign. We've heard lots about strong and stable, | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
but we've also heard a bit about it being dull. The reason we think this | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
might matter is because the dollar the election, that may have an | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
impact on turnout. If people aren't excited, will they get out to the | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
polls. This is data from just last week and we asked the British | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
public, can you tell us which of the following range of feelings you | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
think about the campaign is happening? There were four options. | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
These are situated where you've got some motivating and positive | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
feelings which are the happy and excited, those other things we think | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
would get people to turnout, with got some passive but positive | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
feelings which we might call content and relaxed, then we've got some | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
passive negative, bored and depressed, and activating negative | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
emotions which are angry and emotions which are angry and | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
disgusted. What you can see is that, let's take those who haven't decided | :18:11. | :18:19. | |
how they are going to vote. The undecideds are the least emotive | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
about this election of all the groups we are looking at. Looking at | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
voting intention and how they say they are going to vote on June the | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
8th. Those undecided are the least animated and the least invested. | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
That makes us consider whether these are people who are going to shift | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
and turnout. For what we might call a progressive rock, Liberal | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
Democrat, SNP, Plaid Cymru and Labour, they are down around bored | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
and depressed. We'll leave it at that. Coming to Chris's point about | :18:54. | :19:01. | |
is this the Brexit election, we said, let's think about how people | :19:02. | :19:09. | |
voted in the referendum. When we look for those people who voted | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
Remain, they are more likely to say they are depressed and board but | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
less likely to say they are angry or disgusted. This is really | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
interesting because it goes to the argument and the data we've been | :19:24. | :19:34. | |
seeing about the re-lever -- "re-leavers". Those who have | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
accepted the Brexit decision and are on board. So even for those who said | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
they wanted to remain, they don't seem particularly animated. But they | :19:43. | :19:50. | |
are in this bottom quadrant here. There are some here who are actually | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
saying they are quite angry and disgusted. Finally, we wanted to | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
focus on people's feelings towards the party leaders. The positions | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
around the parties hasn't changed very much but what we think is | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
driving this is people's feelings and peoples evaluations of the party | :20:11. | :20:17. | |
leaders. Whereas Chris showed you a nice story around competence and | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
trust, we are looking at a more emotive valuation of how people are | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
viewing the party leaders. It's that emotional evaluation that influences | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
whether they go to the polls and how they cast their vote. There are two | :20:32. | :20:39. | |
things. We've got Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May. What these spider plots | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
show us is that supporters like their party leaders but very few | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
other ones don't. That's not necessarily the surprising takeaway. | :20:51. | :21:02. | |
If you look at the... They are quite pleased and happy for the most part | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
around Jeremy Corbyn. That's all so true for Theresa May. I think there | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
are a couple of interesting things to think about. When people are | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
describing Theresa May they say they feel hopeful and confident. But it's | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
not happy and proud, it's not the act motivating emotion is. This is | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
labour and Liberal Democrats and Ukip. Theresa May invites a more | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
negative emotional response from non-supporters. Whereas Corbyn get | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
some in the lead emotionally negative responses, it is and has | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
intense as those who aren't going to vote for May. Feelings for May are | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
more intense, she gets more support from supporters, but her | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
non-supporters are more likely to say they are feeling angry and | :21:52. | :21:59. | |
afraid. So how this plays out, we think will be largely around people | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
are generally happy with Theresa May, she is viewed as competent, she | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
is viewed as a leader and that's what is going to win this election. | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
It's not going to be a massive shift, unless there is that pivotal | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
thing in the campaign that happens, this is going to be a very stable | :22:18. | :22:25. | |
and safe when for the Conservatives. Thank you. I'll talk today a bit | :22:26. | :22:37. | |
about Scotland. I've got six questions I thought might be helpful | :22:38. | :22:40. | |
so I'll deal with each quickly in turn and then we can talk about them | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
in the question and answer afterwards. In terms of how the | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
Scottish context has changed, there are a couple of things worth noting. | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
Scots used about four different parties at different electoral | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
levels. They would be more likely to vote for the SNP in a Holyrood | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
election and in a Westminster election. But now that is no longer | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
the case. Voters are voting consistently across Holyrood and | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
Westminster elections. So over time this is data consistency. We can see | :23:11. | :23:19. | |
in the most recent election this is the proportion of parties retaining | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
their voters from having cast a ballot for them in a previous | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
election at another electoral level. Party preferences are converging | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
across electoral levels. The other thing that I think it's worth noting | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
is that not only are they converging, but they are converging | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
on Holyrood preferences rather than on Westminster preferences. To the | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
extent voters were inconsistent before, they are now more | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
consistently backing the party they were typically back in a Holyrood | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
election. The other thing we know is that when they resolve that | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
inconsistency the reason they are resolving it is because they are | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
voting in the direction of their constitutional preferences. We can | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
look over time at people who are broadly supportive of a no vote or | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
remaining within the union and people broadly supportive of a yes | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
vote or a yes party and independence for Scotland. One thing we can see | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
is that consistency is increasing over time but the other thing is | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
that unionist voters are more consistent in their preferences than | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
our pro-independence supporters. When they are resolving that | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
inconsistency it's another way of proving what I said before, when | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
people resolve that they want to vote yes but they back a no | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
supporting party or they like to vote no against independence but | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
they support the SNP, when voters resolve that inconsistency they | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
resolve it in the direction of their constitutional preferences. There's | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
lots of ways of looking at how the 2014 referendum has had an impact on | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
voter preferences. Our argument is that it stripped out some of the | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
inconsistency and also affected how people cast ballots in Westminster | :25:02. | :25:02. | |
elections. The Other thing we know about the | :25:03. | :25:10. | |
Scottish context is we have seen an increase in parties campaigning on | :25:11. | :25:13. | |
issues that have nothing to do with the electoral level they are | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
campaigning for. We saw this most obviously in the local elections | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
where we had Conservative candidates saying vote for me to sit on | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
Edinburgh city council if you want to stop a second referendum council, | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
Edinburgh City Council can't control that. We also saw people saying vote | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
for me for Edinburgh City Council if you want to stop a high Brexit. | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
Again Edinburgh City Council can't do much about that. We saw that in | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
the local elections but also see it in this election where we see Alex | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
Salmond appearing and being grilled on the SNP's record on education in | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
the Scottish Parliament. There's a lot of research about the extent to | :25:47. | :25:53. | |
which voters have different understandings of citizenship, | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
different senses of trust and efficacy. They reward parties at | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
different levels in a fairly sophisticated way. The only way that | :26:01. | :26:03. | |
happens is if they have an understanding of what is reserved | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
and what is devolved and if parties campaign for reserved elections on | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
reserved issues and cam main in devolved elections and issues and so | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
on. What we are seeing here is this multidimensional soup in Scotland. | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
That isn't the case in Wales. That is how the context has changed | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
running into the 2017 election. In terms of Scotland now, we are seeing | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
a different campaign in Scotland, far fewer mentions of Brexit, far | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
less attention to Brexit in the campaign literature coming across | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
the doors, far less mentions of it in the press. What we are seeing is | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
more attention to opposition to an independence referendum. Now that | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
might change as the manifestos come out and people start to talk about | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
policy issues, other than Brexit and independence, but what we are seeing | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
is less on Brexit and Scotland, more on attitudes to independence. Now, | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
where the party is targeting - well I'll focus predominantly on Labour | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
and the Conservatives, the SNP obviously hoping to hold on to every | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
single seat they've got. Labour hold one, they hold Edinburgh south and | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
they are hoping to keep it. I have yet to see a single prediction that | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
assumes he will keep it. However, I suppose there is good news in the | :27:21. | :27:23. | |
fact that some predictions say it will go to the Conservatives and | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
other predictions say it will go to the SNP. The other possible good | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
news for Ian Murray is he has a very good reputation as a local MP. But | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
the other thing about Edinburgh is that yes it was a city that voted no | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
and so one might think that that would help the Conservatives, but it | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
was far more a city that voted remain. It was 75% remain. So | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
Edinburgh people are more annoyed about Brexit than they are about the | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
prospect of independence and that might well allow him to retain his | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
seat. Labour say they're targeting place where is they were ahead of | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
the SNP or within one percentage point of the SNP in the most recent | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
elections. How credible are the targets? We can look at different | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
pieces of information and, to cut through everything, the red stuff is | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
good news. So I've got what happened in 2015, what the lead was of the | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
SNP over Labour in that election. If welike at the most recent national | :28:23. | :28:29. | |
poll in Scotland, what can we understand about national swings, | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
what might that do to the standing of the parties in that constituency. | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
What do we know about trends and no-voting in 2014 or leave voting in | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
2016? What happened in the 2016 election and what happened in the | :28:44. | :28:51. | |
locals in terms of preferences. There is no good news here for | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
Labour. If you look at just the national swing, it doesn't look like | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
they are going to pick anything up. You might assume that the stroerning | :29:01. | :29:07. | |
the support for leave, that might help Labour. But they're in a fight | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
with the Conservatives in terms of support. In terms of places where | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
Labour hold the Parliament, Scottish Parliament constituency, there is | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
some good news in east Lothian. That's Ian Gray's Scottish | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
Parliamentary seat. Some good news for them there. They had more first | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
preferences in the local elections in east Lothian. Other than that, | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
there's not a whole lot of good news for Labour both in terms of the seat | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
they hold and in terms of their targets. We can talk later on what | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
on earth is happening in Aberdeen City Council if you would like. In | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
term to haves Conservatives, obviously they hold DCT -- in terms | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
of the Conservatives, they hold DCT, less than 800. They have said they | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
think they can win 15 seats which is leading some to question their | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
expectation management. If we look at some of their targets, then again | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
we can do the equivalent thing and look at how they fared in 2015, what | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
the national swing would mean, so national swing, the SNP are down | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
nine, the Conservatives are up 13 on their performance in the 2015 | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
election, so if you just subtract nine from how the SNP were doing and | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
were doing, what does that suggest were doing, what does that suggest | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
in terms of profiles? We should be cautious, assuming that national | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
constituency contest. So we can look constituency contest. So we can look | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
also at local dynamics and how people were voting in 2014, very | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
high votes for leave, for example, might help a Conservative Party | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
that's staking its position far out on the opposition to a second | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
independence referendum. We might assume that greater support for | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
leave, almost 50% and Murray might help the Conservatives. We can also | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
look at what was happening in terms of the 2016 Scottish Parliament | :30:54. | :30:54. | |
elections or in terms of first elections or in terms of first | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
preferences in the locals. But the general news is, there's far more | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
good news in terms of the Conservative targets in this | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
election than there was for Labour in terms of their targets. | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
I'll skip over the Lib Dems for now. What should we make of the | :31:12. | :31:14. | |
predictions? These are a range of the predictions that we are seeing | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
in terms of how the SNP and Conservatives, Lib Dem and Labour | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
might fare. No-one is predicting Labour will hold a seat in this | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
election. Conservative predictions bounce around from three to four. | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
There's one kicking about from eight to 11. Should we trust them? Very | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
briefly, we should be cautious. The predictions are usually based, | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
either mathematically worked out or people are just assuming inferring | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
that certain things will happen. But they are even using the data or | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
making guesses based on the most recent elections run under STV or on | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
polls. In terms of STV, I would urge caution. We know that although there | :31:58. | :32:04. | |
is alignment on partisan preferences acrosshood and Westminster, we don't | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
know the extent to which this is true on local level. People's | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
preferences at local level have been significantly different from the two | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
other electoral levels in part because it operates under a | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
different third electoral system in Scotland. So it could even in 2007 | :32:20. | :32:27. | |
when the local elections and the Scottish Parliament elections were | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
held on the same day, we saw voters casting ballots for completely | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
different parties in different electoral arenas so I would urge | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
caution there. In terms of the polls, the last national poll in | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
Scotland was done at the end of April and every poll since then has | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
been a GV poll that's had tiny samples for Scotland, some under | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
100. It was YouGov that did the last poll towards the end of April. If | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
you look at the equivalent YouGov poll for GB as a whole with a | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
systemple of just over 100 in Scotland, there has 14-point | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
difference across the performance of the four main parties. You have | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
estimates for the Conservative Party as low as 10% on some of those polls | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
where Scotland's a small sample so I would absolutely urge caution in | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
terms of the use of the polls to understand what's happening in | :33:17. | :33:22. | |
Scotland. The margins of error are so much larger, Scotland's sample | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
sub sample is not independently weighted. So in the slides in your | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
packs, I've just got tracking local performance, how good the local | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
elections might be perceived to do in terms of predicting performance | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
in the subsequent Westminster elections and how well the polls | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
will do. I'll end on Labour. How bad is it? Well, it's pretty bad. I've | :33:48. | :33:58. | |
skipped over a slide. This is what YouGov asked voters, they said they | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
cast their ballots a certain way before 2015 and before 2015 they | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
said how are you going to cast your ballot now. Labour retained half of | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
the its supporters and it was losing 40% to the SNP and some others to | :34:13. | :34:20. | |
Labour and the Lib Dems. Everyone else was in a world of hurt. The Lib | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
Dems own supporters were more likely to vote for another party. | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
Conservatives retaining just 60% of the previous supporters, the SNP | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
doing well. This was the situation between 2010 and 2015. Labour losing | :34:35. | :34:44. | |
half its supporters, 40% to the SNP. Labour only now retains half of the | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
ones it kept and now losing a third to the other side, lose ago third to | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
-- losing a third to the Conservative Party. They kept half | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
in 2015 and lost to the left, lost to the SNP. Both for reasons of | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
social policy and for constitutional preferences because we know that | :35:02. | :35:08. | |
people are more consistent. But also lost is now, it's losing on the | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
other side in part because of left-right issues but also in terms | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
of constitutional preferences. I'll leave it there. Thank you very much. | :35:16. | :35:23. | |
I would like to congratulate my colleagues for finding all sorts of | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
genuinely interesting things about an election that so far anyway | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
portrayed by the media and some citizens by being fairly dull. | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
Having said that, what they seem to have done also is to confirm in some | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
ways what we already know, that is that the Conservatives are likely to | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
come out of this election with a pretty big win. So as a result, I | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
thought I would take my cue from Vince Cable, the former minister in | :35:51. | :35:57. | |
the coalition Government, who said to a journalist earlier this week, | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
politics after the election may be more interesting than before it. | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
Therefore have a look at what might happen to the parties on June 8th. | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
I'll start with the Conservative Party because in some ways, that's | :36:10. | :36:16. | |
the easiest party to start with. Supposedly, the Conservative Party | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
from June 9th onwards will be sitting fairly pretty. What I would | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
say however is that there is perhaps some trouble ahead. The reason I say | :36:25. | :36:30. | |
that is because a large majority can sometimes be a mixed blessing. | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
Harold Wilson the Labour Prime Minister in 196 Managed to improve a | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
majority that you could count tonne fingers of one hand to a majority of | :36:40. | :36:48. | |
nearly 100. -- 1966. He was practising his putting and a friend | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
asked him, how is your handicap and he replied, "gone up from three to | :36:54. | :37:00. | |
97", and that I guess gives you an idea that sometimes large majorities | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
can be a problem. Now clearly a small majority is more of a headache | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
for a Prime Minister, simply because it puts him or her at the mercy of | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
what some people unkindly like to call the head bangers on their back | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
benches. But a large majority can sometimes be a problem too because | :37:18. | :37:27. | |
it gives licence to malcontented MPs to exercise their conscience in | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
votes in Parliament without actually feeling they're in any danger of | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
messing with their own Government's majority. That kind of rebellion | :37:39. | :37:48. | |
which my colleague Phil Cowley has researched extensively over the | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
years can be a problem for parties because it gives the impression to | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
the electorate, an important impression, of division within the | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
party. Of course in the Conservative's case it's not | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
necessarily going to be a misleading impression I think and that's | :38:04. | :38:05. | |
because there is attention, there's been a perennial attention, if you | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
like, in the Conservative Party, between on the one hand if you like | :38:10. | :38:15. | |
its nationalist strain and on the other hand, it support for the | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
market between, if you like, the free economy and the strong state. | :38:19. | :38:25. | |
Given Brexit, and given Mrs May's apparent willingness to intervene in | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
the economy, rather more than some of her colleagues, even some of her | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
close colleagues, as well as her backbenchers and potential | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
backbenchers would like, it could be that we see a wedge driven in to | :38:38. | :38:47. | |
that crack. Having said that, I would still much rather be in the | :38:48. | :38:50. | |
position of the Conservatives than I would be of Ukip. We have seen the | :38:51. | :38:56. | |
people's army become in effect the people's platoon after Theresa May | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
gets into Downing Street. The future for Ukip does I think look pretty | :39:02. | :39:09. | |
bleak. The cull minute makes of Mrs May, Brexit, the loss of Nigel | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
Farage, means voters are peeling away -- culmination. Many are going | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
to the Conservatives. The leader seems fairly or unfairly to be seen | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
as a laughing stock and there seems to be no obvious successor to Mr | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
Nuttall if he steps down. The party seems to be haemorrhaging members in | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
as much as we can know anything about that and it's clearly running | :39:33. | :39:38. | |
out of cash and indeed credit. By 2018-2019 I think it's a serious | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
possibility that Ukip may not even be a going concern organisationally, | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
let alone electorally. There probably is room in the | :39:47. | :40:01. | |
political market for a xenophobic, is on the phobic English Nationalist | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
party. It's just that that party may not be Ukip and if it is Ukip they | :40:09. | :40:16. | |
will always be a small space on the fringes of British politics that | :40:17. | :40:23. | |
kind of party. Whether Ukip becomes that or whether it's Blitz and | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
something else emerges we are yet to see. The SNP is the respectable face | :40:28. | :40:38. | |
of nationalism in the UK and the shine has come off the SNP a little | :40:39. | :40:41. | |
because it's being judged on its record in government. And as we've | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
seen the Scottish Conservative Party seems to be coming back from the | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
dead. But I think it's clear from what we've already heard that the | :40:56. | :40:58. | |
SNP is still in a powerful position in Scotland. It is likely to govern | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
that country over the next decade or so. And in some ways a big | :41:06. | :41:13. | |
Conservative majority down there in Westminster provides the ideal | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
conditions for an SNP which wants to fight for a second independence | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
referendum. However, as we have already seen in the briefing | :41:24. | :41:32. | |
provided in Scotland, that big Tory majority may not be sufficient to | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
help the SNP win that referendum in part because that referendum is | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
going to be mixed up now with peoples feeling about rejoining the | :41:41. | :41:47. | |
European Union. We have to remind ourselves, although people like to | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
say Scotland is a remain country, rather a lot of voters did vote to | :41:54. | :42:03. | |
leave. So one must ask if the SNP failed to win a majority for | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
independence last time around, with that in the mix, can it win a | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
referendum next time around? I think one of the safest predictions may be | :42:15. | :42:21. | |
that whatever happens this may be Nicola Sturgeon's last UK election, | :42:22. | :42:28. | |
but we will see. As for the Greens, they are unlikely to do as well in | :42:29. | :42:36. | |
2017 as they did in 2015. But they will still of course have an MP in | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
the Commons, their leader Caroline Lucas. She looks as if she's going | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
to be a clear winner again. And of course the Greens anyway can | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
continue to occupy a fairly comfortable niche in British | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
politics as being the nation's conscience on environmental issues. | :42:59. | :43:06. | |
What about the Lib Dems? The Lib Dems will probably improve their | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
vote share. They couldn't not till after what happened in 2015. They | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
will find it difficult to take back more than a handful of seats from | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
the Conservatives. That of course might lead after the election to a | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
leadership contest for the Lib Dems. One of the reasons for the Lib Dems | :43:29. | :43:35. | |
failure to capitalise on the situation we face now has to deal | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
with Tim Farren and that leadership contest could even feature Sir Vince | :43:40. | :43:49. | |
Cable. Having said that, it's important to remember that the Lib | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
Dems are more than capable of surviving in the wilderness for | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
quite some time. They have a strong base in local government. They have | :43:59. | :44:05. | |
financially very useful large membership. The only risk it seems | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
to me to the Lib Dems is what happens to the last party I will | :44:10. | :44:17. | |
consider, the Labour Party. For Labour this election is not about | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
whether it loses, it's about by how much it loses. Reasonable estimates | :44:22. | :44:29. | |
and we have already seen some provided would say that that the top | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
end it's likely to get less than 200 seats but at the lower end may be | :44:34. | :44:42. | |
around 150. That then presents us with two possible scenarios. The | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
first is that Jeremy Corbyn stays on as leader. If that happens one can | :44:49. | :44:56. | |
presume he is likely to face a challenge and probably this summer. | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
Who will challenge him we don't know. The names include Yvette | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
Cooper, Dan Jarvis and maybe other candidates. What I would say that is | :45:09. | :45:18. | |
that Jeremy Corbyn is not absolutely guaranteed to win another leadership | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
contest. A project on membership will be doing surveys on party | :45:25. | :45:33. | |
members after the election but what we know after the result when Owen | :45:34. | :45:40. | |
Smith challenged Jeremy Corbyn at the wrong time in some ways last | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
year, we still know that large numbers of Labour members did not | :45:46. | :45:51. | |
vote for Jeremy Corbyn. It won't take that many people to peel away | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
for there to be a different result this time around. The other scenario | :45:57. | :46:03. | |
is of course Jeremy Corbyn goes. If that happens it will come about as | :46:04. | :46:10. | |
the result of MPs in the PLP managing to get another -- enough | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
nominations for the candidate to get on the ballot for Lent -- then | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
should contest. We have done some figures on that and I think it is | :46:22. | :46:28. | |
possible that Jeremy Corbyn's supporters in parliament after the | :46:29. | :46:39. | |
election could actually get to the magic 15% threshold and be able to | :46:40. | :46:45. | |
get on the ballot, in which case Jeremy might be given permission by | :46:46. | :46:52. | |
those around him to resign. If that isn't the case, again we need to be | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
very careful before thinking the Labour membership will automatically | :46:59. | :47:05. | |
elect a Jeremy Corbyn clone after June the 9th. The reason being is | :47:06. | :47:13. | |
the election defeat is going to be psychologically devastating. Of | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
course some Labour members will retreat into denial of paranoia and | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
we will get stories about the reason Jeromy lost being the media and | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
being stabbed in the back by his MPs. But some Labour members will be | :47:29. | :47:36. | |
shaken by the result. We do have to remember that a large proportion of | :47:37. | :47:43. | |
Labour grassroots members and not signallers, they do want to be in | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
power and they don't want the Conservative Party to be in power. | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
We also have to remember, although they are not as important as they | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
were before, that some trade union leaders at least will begin to back | :47:58. | :48:04. | |
off supporting the Jeremy Corbyn wing of the Labour Party. They | :48:05. | :48:08. | |
cannot carry on forever throwing their members with money after bad. | :48:09. | :48:17. | |
Having said that, if a left winger winds, be it Jeremy Corbyn or a | :48:18. | :48:26. | |
successor, then I do think that we do have two at least consider there | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
being a serious risk of historic and fatal split in the Labour Party. Why | :48:33. | :48:42. | |
do I say that? It is true of course that Labour MPs will have been | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
elected under the Labour banner. It is true of course that Labour MPs | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
have in mind all the time the president of the SDP in the 1980s | :48:53. | :48:57. | |
which is not a good precedent for a party splintering. It's true of | :48:58. | :49:04. | |
course that MPs are very aware of the obstacles presented to any new | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
party by a first past the post system and it is obvious that any | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
new party would have to be led by someone who can connect with the | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
electorate. It's all very well to talk about doing the same in France | :49:19. | :49:29. | |
but there is nobody obvious like him in the Labour Party who can pull | :49:30. | :49:33. | |
that off. On the other hand I think it is at least possible that large | :49:34. | :49:40. | |
numbers of Labour MPs, despite the volatility in the electorate, will | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
regard the prospect of five and probably another ten years out of | :49:47. | :49:52. | |
power with a degree of horror and they will not necessarily want to go | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
down with what many of them regard as a sinking ship. They also know I | :49:57. | :50:02. | |
think and this is very important, that is a crucial difference between | :50:03. | :50:07. | |
now and the STP scenario in the 1980s. If a critical mass of Labour | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
MPs is achieved and we're talking probably three figures worth of | :50:12. | :50:19. | |
Labour MPs, then the breakaway party that is formed could immediately | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
become the official opposition in this country. To become the official | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
opposition is it simply needs to be the largest party not in government | :50:31. | :50:36. | |
in the Commons. It would be as long as a new party were registered, that | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
party would become the opposition. That is very different than from | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
what happened to the SDP in the 1980s. Labour MPs also know that | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
there is probably financial backing up their for some new venture and it | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
is much easier these days to get finance than it probably was back in | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
the 1980s. They will know that there are large numbers of voters who may | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
be disillusioned and looking for a home. They will know that some | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
Labour members and we're talking tens of thousands, might be up for | :51:13. | :51:22. | |
something new. And they know some of the staff of the Labour Party may be | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
as well and for those some of the Lib Dems may be interested as well. | :51:26. | :51:36. | |
There is a sweet spot in Britain's system and it is when the majority | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
of British voters are, namely centrist and even slightly | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
centre-left on the economy but rather traditional authoritarian and | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
restrictive on issues like immigration and welfare benefits and | :51:52. | :51:57. | |
crying. At the moment that sweet spot is occupied by Theresa May's | :51:58. | :52:03. | |
Conservative Party. She has done a lot to ensure that is the case. Just | :52:04. | :52:10. | |
as before it was occupied by Tony Blair's Labour Party. And until | :52:11. | :52:16. | |
labour moves back to that sweet spot the Conservatives are going to | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
continue to rule the country. If Labour proves unable to make that | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
move in the next few months after the election it is in serious danger | :52:25. | :52:30. | |
of being replaced, not by an existing party, but by a new | :52:31. | :52:42. | |
entrant. I think that rather than the substantial victory that Theresa | :52:43. | :52:45. | |
May is going to get in this election is why this summer like last summer | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
could be a historic one for British politics. We have a lot of | :52:50. | :52:58. | |
interesting times ahead. | :52:59. | :53:04. |