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It's been an extraordinary year for British politics and helping us to

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get underneath the skin of that is our panel this morning. So in order

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of speaking, I'm delighted to introduce Dr Chris Crosser from th

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University of Manchester and the British election study who is look

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at voting atty Tuesday. -- voting atty Tuesday. Professor Henderson

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who will talk us through the view on Scotland an Professor Tim Bale from

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Queen university London. Without further ado, I'll hand over to Chris

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to kick us off. I want to talk about three things. I want to put the

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current election into long-term context looking at how voters have

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changed the way they behave over a long period and also comparing

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attitudes towards the parties and leaders to the last couple of

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elections. Anyone who asks the question is this the Brexit

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election, that is the big question on everyone's minds, then I want to

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touch on the role of leadership. I'm joined by the Internet panel which

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interviews 30,000 people per wave and we have been running the current

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one since 2013 but it's been going for much longer, the British

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election study has run since 1964. The most recent wave was in December

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of last year and ideally we would have had slightly more recent data

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but the Prime Minister didn't give us quite enough notice unfortunately

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to get that out in time. So one of the interesting things

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about this election is whether it marks a return to a two-party

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system. So Ukip look like they're collapsing, the Lib Dems are

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struggling to regain their previous levels of support and with the

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exception of Scotland, as I'm sure we'll be reminded later, it looks

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like a one-horse race and a maybe a one-and-a-half horse race in

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England. If the polls are right, this is what the shared two party

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vote is over the years. It's declined massively over a long

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period of time since the 50s when the Conservatives and Labour got

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more than 90% of the vote to the most recent election where they only

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got 70%. If it twos back up to the sort of level expected by the polls,

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it marks a return not quite to the levels of two-party competition that

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we saw in the 50s and 60s, but at least maybe to the 80s and 90s. I

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want to say that even if this is apparent return to the previous

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model of British politics, the sort of things underlying politics

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haven't changed in the same direction. So I don't think we are

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really going to see a long-term shift back to the way politics used

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to be. This graph shows the percentage of voters who switch

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parties between elections and we know this because we take interviews

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from people at one election and ask if they are ready and reinterview

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years later and ask who they voted for. This number's gone up seasonth

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substantially. We have this second election that we can choose from,

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for the first time, only 13% of respondents changed parties between

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electionses. So just over one in ten. Whereas in 2015 which marks the

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high watermark of switching, 43% of the electorate voted for someone

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different than who they voted for five years previously in 2010. The

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reasons for this are long and complicated and I don't have time to

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begin to to them, but basically -- time to go into them, but basically

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the breakdown of strong class hierarchies and Trade Unions and

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that sort of thing which pinned people into the two party system

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have eroded over a long period. This is unlikely to reverse. Even if if

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election looks like a return to the way things used to be, the things

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underpinning it that have led to the fragmentation of British politics

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are unlikely to go away. Now I want to look at how things have changed

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since 2010 and 2015. If you look at the polls, things have changed

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dramatically since 2010 and 2015, but if you ask people the slightly

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different question, not who they are going to vote for but how they feel

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about the parties, actually the changed are much more muted. So this

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is the average level of liking of parties at each election and you can

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see that OK the Conservatives are slightly more popular than they were

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last time but they're not really much popular than they were in 2010

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and OK Labour is slightly less popular than in 2015 but only by a

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tiny bit and actually they are much more popular than they were in 2010.

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If you compare this to the really big changes in British politics like

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the change in how people felt about the Lib Dems after 2010 or about the

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SNP in Scotland after the reference double, the shifts in feelings about

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the Conservative Labour are really quite small. But if you look at how

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people feel about the leaders of the parties, there's a little bit more

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change. You can see Theresa May is well-liked, more so than David

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Cameron was either before he came Prime Minister or in 2015. Jeremy

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Corbyn is slightly less well liked than Ed Miliband but the notable

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thing is that it's not that much different from how people felt about

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Ed Miliband. There's something I want to come back to later on, but

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the thing to remember about leadership, it's much more volatile

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than how people feel about the parties. The current election, the

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Tories are doing particularly well because Theresa May is so popular,

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but people's attitudes about leaders tend to change rapidly more so than

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parties, so if something went wrong with Brexit or if Labour managed to

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elect a more popular leader, we could see a quick reversal of

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fortunes in the polls. Now the big question is, is this the Brexit

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election. One question we asked people in the surveys is what is the

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most important issue facing the country. The easy way to visualise

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the responses is to do a word cloud which weights the size of words

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according to how frequently they are mentioned in people's responses.

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This is a free text to an open-ended response. People are worried about

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Brexit and other issues like the NHS, immigration. They are slightly

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misleading though because they reward pluralities and punish people

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who disagree, much like our electoral system, it's actually the

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majority of people didn't say Brexit, only 43% of the sample said

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Brexit was the most important issue. It's high for a question of this

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type. Brexit seems to be at the forefront of people's mind but the

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effect it's having on the way people cast their votes is very confused

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and noisy and it's not clear at all that we are going to get the same

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realignment that we have in Scotland after the Scottish independence

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referendum. So these graphs show the flow of the vote between 2015 and

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our last survey in 2016. So December 2016, so post-referendum. So the two

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things to note I think really are one how much movement there is in

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all directions, so yes, you know, there are people moving from Labour

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to the Lib Dems on the remain side, people moving from Labour to the

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Tories on the leave side. Actually, there are people moving all over the

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place and there's a lot of people who're unsure about who they're

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going to vote for. So it looks like, although some people are being

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shifted by Brexit, mostly it's causing volatility and uncertainty

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in the election rather than reforming the lines of party

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competition in a clear way. If it's not Brexit, what is it? The

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obvious answer is it's about leadership and competence. I showed

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you the like figures before I showed you that Jeremy Corbyn was less well

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liked than Theresa May. Probably more important is the final set of

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bars which asked people how competent they thought Corbyn and

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May were. So although Corbyn is always lagging behind May on whether

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they are liked or have integrity, it's this competence one that picks

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out the difference between them. Another way of visualising this is

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to think about how the returns on liking a leader translate into

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thinking that they will be the best Prime Minister. This graph plots

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responses from these questions. So along the bottom is how people felt

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about each leader, so how you felt about Corbyn and how you felt about

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May and then going up is the proportion of those people in each

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of the categories for each leader who thought that that person would

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be the best Prime Minister. You can see that even when people

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don't like May they think she would be a better Prime Minister than

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people who think the same way about Corbyn. Only about one in ten think

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that Corbyn would be the best Prime Minister but four in ten think May

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would be the best Prime Minister. When you go up to seven which is

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quite high, and remember the average is between 4-5, so someone that

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likes Corbyn a seven on this scale is twice as positive about Corbyn as

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the average voter in Britain. But even there: only four in ten of

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those people think he would be the best Prime Minister compared to 85%

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of the people who think that way about May. So I think that is why

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the election is going the way it is. Some people think Corbyn looks like

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a nice guy, might have nice valleys, they might agree with his policies,

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but they don't think he has what it takes to be Prime Minister. On a

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final note, I would caution against separating out Brexit and leadership

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entirely. Here I've broken down how people feel about May and Corbyn by

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their vote in 2015 and their vote in the EU referendums. You can see that

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for the Conservatives, May is definitely more popular but she's

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more popular amongst leavers than remainders. The really interesting

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one is labour. Corbyn is more popular amongst remainers and May is

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more well liked amongst leave voters than Corbyn is. These things are

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interacting in a way that is advantage in the Conservatives and

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the issues of leadership and Brexit are very much entangled in the

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election. Thank you. Can I handover to Jennifer. I'm going to talk about

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two different topics today. The first is around the selection of

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women in the 2017 campaign, and that is a bit about what voters 's

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emotional responses are towards the campaign and the party leaders.

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and the election so far around the and the election so far around the

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selection of women, and the great strides that have taken place not

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just in 2017 but since 1997. One argument we've made is the

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centralised election process, as a result of the snap election, gave

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the party leadership and opportunity to push and equality agenda if they

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chose to. What we've seen is the result is that with women to win on

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the conservative side, there has been a dramatic increase in the

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percentage of women selected to contest the election. This isn't

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just about that kind of effort. Lots of women candidates ask citing the

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Theresa May factor, there a bit more confidence about their ability to

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stand as candidates. There is also a shift in local selectors, that if a

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woman is good enough to be Prime Minister she should be good enough

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to be a candidate as well. Lots of noise around equality and that has

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resulted in a higher percentage of women selected. Overall for all

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candidates, we know that women constitute just under 30%, so 29%,

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and that is up 3% from 2015. In 2015 26% of candidates were women and in

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2017 is now 29%. When we break that down by parties, you can see that

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for Conservative, Labour and Lib Dems, their percentage of women

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candidates has gone up from 2015. 29% of candidates are women

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candidates for the Conservative Party, 41 for Labour and 29 for the

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Lib Dems. For Ukip, and SNP this has gone down slightly. In some cases,

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particularly for Ukip and the Greens, they aren't fielding as many

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candidates and I think the effort around selection for women for those

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parties has reduced. We've taken this information and Chris and

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colleagues at UEA have done one of their early forecasts in terms of

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what would the outcome look like in terms of total number of MPs, but

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also what would that do for the gender balance of the new

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Parliament. Our estimates for the forecast of all MPs would be 410 for

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the Conservatives, 150 acre labour, eight for Lib Dem and 74 for the

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other parties. When we look at that for the impact on what that will

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have, so how does that selection of women translate into representation

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in the Commons, we project 98 for the Conservatives, 73 for Labour,

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and just one for the Lib Dems. 22 for other parties. This presents an

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interesting change in the Commons and an interesting change around the

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dynamics of gender. When we moved to compare that to 2015, there are

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three points we can take away. First is that 2017 isn't going to be the

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step change in gender representation we saw in 2015. In 2015 we finished

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with 191 women MPs elected, and we aren't going to see that kind of

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percentage change increase. Our projection is will see a total of

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194 women MPs, which is obviously three better than 2015, but it's

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actually down on the number at dissolution. There were 196 at the

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time of dissolution. From where we were in early May and will actually

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be slightly lower than that. There are two other points that I think

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are interesting. The first is that the Conservatives will take over as

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the party who are leading an women MPs. They will have just short of

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100 women MPs, they will have more women MPs than any other party in

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Parliament. However, their percentage of women MPs is still

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significantly lower than Labour. It is still a man's party in terms of

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representation in the Commons. For the Conservatives, just 24% of MPs,

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and this is a projection, will be women. When we compare that to the

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Labour Party, almost 50% of the Labour Party MPs will be women. In

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terms of their Parliamentary party it's a significant difference in

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terms of what we see the balance of representation. In terms of that

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more subtle shift in terms of who owns and is leading the dialogue

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around women's representation, the efforts by Theresa May, by Baroness

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Jenkin, have really shifted the perception of the role of women

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within the Conservative Party. Switching gears, we wanted to have a

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think about the campaign. We've heard lots about strong and stable,

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but we've also heard a bit about it being dull. The reason we think this

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might matter is because the dollar the election, that may have an

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impact on turnout. If people aren't excited, will they get out to the

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polls. This is data from just last week and we asked the British

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public, can you tell us which of the following range of feelings you

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think about the campaign is happening? There were four options.

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These are situated where you've got some motivating and positive

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feelings which are the happy and excited, those other things we think

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would get people to turnout, with got some passive but positive

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feelings which we might call content and relaxed, then we've got some

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passive negative, bored and depressed, and activating negative

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emotions which are angry and emotions which are angry and

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disgusted. What you can see is that, let's take those who haven't decided

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how they are going to vote. The undecideds are the least emotive

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about this election of all the groups we are looking at. Looking at

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voting intention and how they say they are going to vote on June the

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8th. Those undecided are the least animated and the least invested.

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That makes us consider whether these are people who are going to shift

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and turnout. For what we might call a progressive rock, Liberal

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Democrat, SNP, Plaid Cymru and Labour, they are down around bored

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and depressed. We'll leave it at that. Coming to Chris's point about

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is this the Brexit election, we said, let's think about how people

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voted in the referendum. When we look for those people who voted

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Remain, they are more likely to say they are depressed and board but

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less likely to say they are angry or disgusted. This is really

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interesting because it goes to the argument and the data we've been

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seeing about the re-lever -- "re-leavers". Those who have

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accepted the Brexit decision and are on board. So even for those who said

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they wanted to remain, they don't seem particularly animated. But they

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are in this bottom quadrant here. There are some here who are actually

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saying they are quite angry and disgusted. Finally, we wanted to

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focus on people's feelings towards the party leaders. The positions

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around the parties hasn't changed very much but what we think is

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driving this is people's feelings and peoples evaluations of the party

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leaders. Whereas Chris showed you a nice story around competence and

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trust, we are looking at a more emotive valuation of how people are

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viewing the party leaders. It's that emotional evaluation that influences

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whether they go to the polls and how they cast their vote. There are two

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things. We've got Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May. What these spider plots

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show us is that supporters like their party leaders but very few

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other ones don't. That's not necessarily the surprising takeaway.

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If you look at the... They are quite pleased and happy for the most part

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around Jeremy Corbyn. That's all so true for Theresa May. I think there

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are a couple of interesting things to think about. When people are

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describing Theresa May they say they feel hopeful and confident. But it's

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not happy and proud, it's not the act motivating emotion is. This is

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labour and Liberal Democrats and Ukip. Theresa May invites a more

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negative emotional response from non-supporters. Whereas Corbyn get

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some in the lead emotionally negative responses, it is and has

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intense as those who aren't going to vote for May. Feelings for May are

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more intense, she gets more support from supporters, but her

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non-supporters are more likely to say they are feeling angry and

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afraid. So how this plays out, we think will be largely around people

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are generally happy with Theresa May, she is viewed as competent, she

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is viewed as a leader and that's what is going to win this election.

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It's not going to be a massive shift, unless there is that pivotal

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thing in the campaign that happens, this is going to be a very stable

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and safe when for the Conservatives. Thank you. I'll talk today a bit

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about Scotland. I've got six questions I thought might be helpful

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so I'll deal with each quickly in turn and then we can talk about them

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in the question and answer afterwards. In terms of how the

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Scottish context has changed, there are a couple of things worth noting.

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Scots used about four different parties at different electoral

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levels. They would be more likely to vote for the SNP in a Holyrood

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election and in a Westminster election. But now that is no longer

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the case. Voters are voting consistently across Holyrood and

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Westminster elections. So over time this is data consistency. We can see

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in the most recent election this is the proportion of parties retaining

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their voters from having cast a ballot for them in a previous

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election at another electoral level. Party preferences are converging

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across electoral levels. The other thing that I think it's worth noting

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is that not only are they converging, but they are converging

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on Holyrood preferences rather than on Westminster preferences. To the

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extent voters were inconsistent before, they are now more

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consistently backing the party they were typically back in a Holyrood

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election. The other thing we know is that when they resolve that

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inconsistency the reason they are resolving it is because they are

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voting in the direction of their constitutional preferences. We can

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look over time at people who are broadly supportive of a no vote or

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remaining within the union and people broadly supportive of a yes

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vote or a yes party and independence for Scotland. One thing we can see

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is that consistency is increasing over time but the other thing is

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that unionist voters are more consistent in their preferences than

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our pro-independence supporters. When they are resolving that

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inconsistency it's another way of proving what I said before, when

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people resolve that they want to vote yes but they back a no

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supporting party or they like to vote no against independence but

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they support the SNP, when voters resolve that inconsistency they

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resolve it in the direction of their constitutional preferences. There's

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lots of ways of looking at how the 2014 referendum has had an impact on

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voter preferences. Our argument is that it stripped out some of the

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inconsistency and also affected how people cast ballots in Westminster

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elections. The Other thing we know about the

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Scottish context is we have seen an increase in parties campaigning on

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issues that have nothing to do with the electoral level they are

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campaigning for. We saw this most obviously in the local elections

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where we had Conservative candidates saying vote for me to sit on

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Edinburgh city council if you want to stop a second referendum council,

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Edinburgh City Council can't control that. We also saw people saying vote

:25:28.:25:30.

for me for Edinburgh City Council if you want to stop a high Brexit.

:25:31.:25:34.

Again Edinburgh City Council can't do much about that. We saw that in

:25:35.:25:38.

the local elections but also see it in this election where we see Alex

:25:39.:25:42.

Salmond appearing and being grilled on the SNP's record on education in

:25:43.:25:46.

the Scottish Parliament. There's a lot of research about the extent to

:25:47.:25:53.

which voters have different understandings of citizenship,

:25:54.:25:56.

different senses of trust and efficacy. They reward parties at

:25:57.:26:00.

different levels in a fairly sophisticated way. The only way that

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happens is if they have an understanding of what is reserved

:26:04.:26:07.

and what is devolved and if parties campaign for reserved elections on

:26:08.:26:11.

reserved issues and cam main in devolved elections and issues and so

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on. What we are seeing here is this multidimensional soup in Scotland.

:26:17.:26:22.

That isn't the case in Wales. That is how the context has changed

:26:23.:26:26.

running into the 2017 election. In terms of Scotland now, we are seeing

:26:27.:26:32.

a different campaign in Scotland, far fewer mentions of Brexit, far

:26:33.:26:36.

less attention to Brexit in the campaign literature coming across

:26:37.:26:39.

the doors, far less mentions of it in the press. What we are seeing is

:26:40.:26:44.

more attention to opposition to an independence referendum. Now that

:26:45.:26:48.

might change as the manifestos come out and people start to talk about

:26:49.:26:52.

policy issues, other than Brexit and independence, but what we are seeing

:26:53.:26:58.

is less on Brexit and Scotland, more on attitudes to independence. Now,

:26:59.:27:04.

where the party is targeting - well I'll focus predominantly on Labour

:27:05.:27:07.

and the Conservatives, the SNP obviously hoping to hold on to every

:27:08.:27:12.

single seat they've got. Labour hold one, they hold Edinburgh south and

:27:13.:27:15.

they are hoping to keep it. I have yet to see a single prediction that

:27:16.:27:20.

assumes he will keep it. However, I suppose there is good news in the

:27:21.:27:23.

fact that some predictions say it will go to the Conservatives and

:27:24.:27:26.

other predictions say it will go to the SNP. The other possible good

:27:27.:27:32.

news for Ian Murray is he has a very good reputation as a local MP. But

:27:33.:27:36.

the other thing about Edinburgh is that yes it was a city that voted no

:27:37.:27:41.

and so one might think that that would help the Conservatives, but it

:27:42.:27:44.

was far more a city that voted remain. It was 75% remain. So

:27:45.:27:50.

Edinburgh people are more annoyed about Brexit than they are about the

:27:51.:27:54.

prospect of independence and that might well allow him to retain his

:27:55.:28:01.

seat. Labour say they're targeting place where is they were ahead of

:28:02.:28:05.

the SNP or within one percentage point of the SNP in the most recent

:28:06.:28:09.

elections. How credible are the targets? We can look at different

:28:10.:28:12.

pieces of information and, to cut through everything, the red stuff is

:28:13.:28:17.

good news. So I've got what happened in 2015, what the lead was of the

:28:18.:28:22.

SNP over Labour in that election. If welike at the most recent national

:28:23.:28:29.

poll in Scotland, what can we understand about national swings,

:28:30.:28:33.

what might that do to the standing of the parties in that constituency.

:28:34.:28:38.

What do we know about trends and no-voting in 2014 or leave voting in

:28:39.:28:43.

2016? What happened in the 2016 election and what happened in the

:28:44.:28:51.

locals in terms of preferences. There is no good news here for

:28:52.:28:56.

Labour. If you look at just the national swing, it doesn't look like

:28:57.:29:00.

they are going to pick anything up. You might assume that the stroerning

:29:01.:29:07.

the support for leave, that might help Labour. But they're in a fight

:29:08.:29:11.

with the Conservatives in terms of support. In terms of places where

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Labour hold the Parliament, Scottish Parliament constituency, there is

:29:17.:29:21.

some good news in east Lothian. That's Ian Gray's Scottish

:29:22.:29:24.

Parliamentary seat. Some good news for them there. They had more first

:29:25.:29:28.

preferences in the local elections in east Lothian. Other than that,

:29:29.:29:32.

there's not a whole lot of good news for Labour both in terms of the seat

:29:33.:29:36.

they hold and in terms of their targets. We can talk later on what

:29:37.:29:40.

on earth is happening in Aberdeen City Council if you would like. In

:29:41.:29:44.

term to haves Conservatives, obviously they hold DCT -- in terms

:29:45.:29:49.

of the Conservatives, they hold DCT, less than 800. They have said they

:29:50.:29:53.

think they can win 15 seats which is leading some to question their

:29:54.:29:57.

expectation management. If we look at some of their targets, then again

:29:58.:30:02.

we can do the equivalent thing and look at how they fared in 2015, what

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the national swing would mean, so national swing, the SNP are down

:30:07.:30:12.

nine, the Conservatives are up 13 on their performance in the 2015

:30:13.:30:16.

election, so if you just subtract nine from how the SNP were doing and

:30:17.:30:20.

were doing, what does that suggest were doing, what does that suggest

:30:21.:30:24.

in terms of profiles? We should be cautious, assuming that national

:30:25.:30:28.

constituency contest. So we can look constituency contest. So we can look

:30:29.:30:32.

also at local dynamics and how people were voting in 2014, very

:30:33.:30:37.

high votes for leave, for example, might help a Conservative Party

:30:38.:30:42.

that's staking its position far out on the opposition to a second

:30:43.:30:45.

independence referendum. We might assume that greater support for

:30:46.:30:50.

leave, almost 50% and Murray might help the Conservatives. We can also

:30:51.:30:53.

look at what was happening in terms of the 2016 Scottish Parliament

:30:54.:30:54.

elections or in terms of first elections or in terms of first

:30:55.:30:59.

preferences in the locals. But the general news is, there's far more

:31:00.:31:03.

good news in terms of the Conservative targets in this

:31:04.:31:06.

election than there was for Labour in terms of their targets.

:31:07.:31:11.

I'll skip over the Lib Dems for now. What should we make of the

:31:12.:31:14.

predictions? These are a range of the predictions that we are seeing

:31:15.:31:19.

in terms of how the SNP and Conservatives, Lib Dem and Labour

:31:20.:31:22.

might fare. No-one is predicting Labour will hold a seat in this

:31:23.:31:29.

election. Conservative predictions bounce around from three to four.

:31:30.:31:33.

There's one kicking about from eight to 11. Should we trust them? Very

:31:34.:31:39.

briefly, we should be cautious. The predictions are usually based,

:31:40.:31:43.

either mathematically worked out or people are just assuming inferring

:31:44.:31:46.

that certain things will happen. But they are even using the data or

:31:47.:31:52.

making guesses based on the most recent elections run under STV or on

:31:53.:31:57.

polls. In terms of STV, I would urge caution. We know that although there

:31:58.:32:04.

is alignment on partisan preferences acrosshood and Westminster, we don't

:32:05.:32:08.

know the extent to which this is true on local level. People's

:32:09.:32:12.

preferences at local level have been significantly different from the two

:32:13.:32:15.

other electoral levels in part because it operates under a

:32:16.:32:19.

different third electoral system in Scotland. So it could even in 2007

:32:20.:32:27.

when the local elections and the Scottish Parliament elections were

:32:28.:32:32.

held on the same day, we saw voters casting ballots for completely

:32:33.:32:34.

different parties in different electoral arenas so I would urge

:32:35.:32:38.

caution there. In terms of the polls, the last national poll in

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Scotland was done at the end of April and every poll since then has

:32:42.:32:46.

been a GV poll that's had tiny samples for Scotland, some under

:32:47.:32:51.

100. It was YouGov that did the last poll towards the end of April. If

:32:52.:32:56.

you look at the equivalent YouGov poll for GB as a whole with a

:32:57.:33:00.

systemple of just over 100 in Scotland, there has 14-point

:33:01.:33:03.

difference across the performance of the four main parties. You have

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estimates for the Conservative Party as low as 10% on some of those polls

:33:08.:33:12.

where Scotland's a small sample so I would absolutely urge caution in

:33:13.:33:16.

terms of the use of the polls to understand what's happening in

:33:17.:33:22.

Scotland. The margins of error are so much larger, Scotland's sample

:33:23.:33:26.

sub sample is not independently weighted. So in the slides in your

:33:27.:33:32.

packs, I've just got tracking local performance, how good the local

:33:33.:33:36.

elections might be perceived to do in terms of predicting performance

:33:37.:33:40.

in the subsequent Westminster elections and how well the polls

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will do. I'll end on Labour. How bad is it? Well, it's pretty bad. I've

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skipped over a slide. This is what YouGov asked voters, they said they

:33:59.:34:03.

cast their ballots a certain way before 2015 and before 2015 they

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said how are you going to cast your ballot now. Labour retained half of

:34:08.:34:12.

the its supporters and it was losing 40% to the SNP and some others to

:34:13.:34:20.

Labour and the Lib Dems. Everyone else was in a world of hurt. The Lib

:34:21.:34:25.

Dems own supporters were more likely to vote for another party.

:34:26.:34:29.

Conservatives retaining just 60% of the previous supporters, the SNP

:34:30.:34:34.

doing well. This was the situation between 2010 and 2015. Labour losing

:34:35.:34:44.

half its supporters, 40% to the SNP. Labour only now retains half of the

:34:45.:34:48.

ones it kept and now losing a third to the other side, lose ago third to

:34:49.:34:52.

-- losing a third to the Conservative Party. They kept half

:34:53.:34:57.

in 2015 and lost to the left, lost to the SNP. Both for reasons of

:34:58.:35:01.

social policy and for constitutional preferences because we know that

:35:02.:35:08.

people are more consistent. But also lost is now, it's losing on the

:35:09.:35:12.

other side in part because of left-right issues but also in terms

:35:13.:35:15.

of constitutional preferences. I'll leave it there. Thank you very much.

:35:16.:35:23.

I would like to congratulate my colleagues for finding all sorts of

:35:24.:35:28.

genuinely interesting things about an election that so far anyway

:35:29.:35:33.

portrayed by the media and some citizens by being fairly dull.

:35:34.:35:36.

Having said that, what they seem to have done also is to confirm in some

:35:37.:35:41.

ways what we already know, that is that the Conservatives are likely to

:35:42.:35:44.

come out of this election with a pretty big win. So as a result, I

:35:45.:35:50.

thought I would take my cue from Vince Cable, the former minister in

:35:51.:35:57.

the coalition Government, who said to a journalist earlier this week,

:35:58.:36:00.

politics after the election may be more interesting than before it.

:36:01.:36:06.

Therefore have a look at what might happen to the parties on June 8th.

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I'll start with the Conservative Party because in some ways, that's

:36:10.:36:16.

the easiest party to start with. Supposedly, the Conservative Party

:36:17.:36:19.

from June 9th onwards will be sitting fairly pretty. What I would

:36:20.:36:24.

say however is that there is perhaps some trouble ahead. The reason I say

:36:25.:36:30.

that is because a large majority can sometimes be a mixed blessing.

:36:31.:36:34.

Harold Wilson the Labour Prime Minister in 196 Managed to improve a

:36:35.:36:39.

majority that you could count tonne fingers of one hand to a majority of

:36:40.:36:48.

nearly 100. -- 1966. He was practising his putting and a friend

:36:49.:36:53.

asked him, how is your handicap and he replied, "gone up from three to

:36:54.:37:00.

97", and that I guess gives you an idea that sometimes large majorities

:37:01.:37:03.

can be a problem. Now clearly a small majority is more of a headache

:37:04.:37:07.

for a Prime Minister, simply because it puts him or her at the mercy of

:37:08.:37:13.

what some people unkindly like to call the head bangers on their back

:37:14.:37:17.

benches. But a large majority can sometimes be a problem too because

:37:18.:37:27.

it gives licence to malcontented MPs to exercise their conscience in

:37:28.:37:32.

votes in Parliament without actually feeling they're in any danger of

:37:33.:37:38.

messing with their own Government's majority. That kind of rebellion

:37:39.:37:48.

which my colleague Phil Cowley has researched extensively over the

:37:49.:37:51.

years can be a problem for parties because it gives the impression to

:37:52.:37:55.

the electorate, an important impression, of division within the

:37:56.:37:58.

party. Of course in the Conservative's case it's not

:37:59.:38:03.

necessarily going to be a misleading impression I think and that's

:38:04.:38:05.

because there is attention, there's been a perennial attention, if you

:38:06.:38:09.

like, in the Conservative Party, between on the one hand if you like

:38:10.:38:15.

its nationalist strain and on the other hand, it support for the

:38:16.:38:18.

market between, if you like, the free economy and the strong state.

:38:19.:38:25.

Given Brexit, and given Mrs May's apparent willingness to intervene in

:38:26.:38:29.

the economy, rather more than some of her colleagues, even some of her

:38:30.:38:34.

close colleagues, as well as her backbenchers and potential

:38:35.:38:37.

backbenchers would like, it could be that we see a wedge driven in to

:38:38.:38:47.

that crack. Having said that, I would still much rather be in the

:38:48.:38:50.

position of the Conservatives than I would be of Ukip. We have seen the

:38:51.:38:56.

people's army become in effect the people's platoon after Theresa May

:38:57.:39:01.

gets into Downing Street. The future for Ukip does I think look pretty

:39:02.:39:09.

bleak. The cull minute makes of Mrs May, Brexit, the loss of Nigel

:39:10.:39:15.

Farage, means voters are peeling away -- culmination. Many are going

:39:16.:39:20.

to the Conservatives. The leader seems fairly or unfairly to be seen

:39:21.:39:24.

as a laughing stock and there seems to be no obvious successor to Mr

:39:25.:39:29.

Nuttall if he steps down. The party seems to be haemorrhaging members in

:39:30.:39:32.

as much as we can know anything about that and it's clearly running

:39:33.:39:38.

out of cash and indeed credit. By 2018-2019 I think it's a serious

:39:39.:39:43.

possibility that Ukip may not even be a going concern organisationally,

:39:44.:39:46.

let alone electorally. There probably is room in the

:39:47.:40:01.

political market for a xenophobic, is on the phobic English Nationalist

:40:02.:40:08.

party. It's just that that party may not be Ukip and if it is Ukip they

:40:09.:40:16.

will always be a small space on the fringes of British politics that

:40:17.:40:23.

kind of party. Whether Ukip becomes that or whether it's Blitz and

:40:24.:40:27.

something else emerges we are yet to see. The SNP is the respectable face

:40:28.:40:38.

of nationalism in the UK and the shine has come off the SNP a little

:40:39.:40:41.

because it's being judged on its record in government. And as we've

:40:42.:40:48.

seen the Scottish Conservative Party seems to be coming back from the

:40:49.:40:55.

dead. But I think it's clear from what we've already heard that the

:40:56.:40:58.

SNP is still in a powerful position in Scotland. It is likely to govern

:40:59.:41:05.

that country over the next decade or so. And in some ways a big

:41:06.:41:13.

Conservative majority down there in Westminster provides the ideal

:41:14.:41:19.

conditions for an SNP which wants to fight for a second independence

:41:20.:41:23.

referendum. However, as we have already seen in the briefing

:41:24.:41:32.

provided in Scotland, that big Tory majority may not be sufficient to

:41:33.:41:37.

help the SNP win that referendum in part because that referendum is

:41:38.:41:40.

going to be mixed up now with peoples feeling about rejoining the

:41:41.:41:47.

European Union. We have to remind ourselves, although people like to

:41:48.:41:53.

say Scotland is a remain country, rather a lot of voters did vote to

:41:54.:42:03.

leave. So one must ask if the SNP failed to win a majority for

:42:04.:42:08.

independence last time around, with that in the mix, can it win a

:42:09.:42:14.

referendum next time around? I think one of the safest predictions may be

:42:15.:42:21.

that whatever happens this may be Nicola Sturgeon's last UK election,

:42:22.:42:28.

but we will see. As for the Greens, they are unlikely to do as well in

:42:29.:42:36.

2017 as they did in 2015. But they will still of course have an MP in

:42:37.:42:43.

the Commons, their leader Caroline Lucas. She looks as if she's going

:42:44.:42:47.

to be a clear winner again. And of course the Greens anyway can

:42:48.:42:53.

continue to occupy a fairly comfortable niche in British

:42:54.:42:58.

politics as being the nation's conscience on environmental issues.

:42:59.:43:06.

What about the Lib Dems? The Lib Dems will probably improve their

:43:07.:43:12.

vote share. They couldn't not till after what happened in 2015. They

:43:13.:43:18.

will find it difficult to take back more than a handful of seats from

:43:19.:43:23.

the Conservatives. That of course might lead after the election to a

:43:24.:43:28.

leadership contest for the Lib Dems. One of the reasons for the Lib Dems

:43:29.:43:35.

failure to capitalise on the situation we face now has to deal

:43:36.:43:39.

with Tim Farren and that leadership contest could even feature Sir Vince

:43:40.:43:49.

Cable. Having said that, it's important to remember that the Lib

:43:50.:43:54.

Dems are more than capable of surviving in the wilderness for

:43:55.:43:58.

quite some time. They have a strong base in local government. They have

:43:59.:44:05.

financially very useful large membership. The only risk it seems

:44:06.:44:09.

to me to the Lib Dems is what happens to the last party I will

:44:10.:44:17.

consider, the Labour Party. For Labour this election is not about

:44:18.:44:21.

whether it loses, it's about by how much it loses. Reasonable estimates

:44:22.:44:29.

and we have already seen some provided would say that that the top

:44:30.:44:33.

end it's likely to get less than 200 seats but at the lower end may be

:44:34.:44:42.

around 150. That then presents us with two possible scenarios. The

:44:43.:44:48.

first is that Jeremy Corbyn stays on as leader. If that happens one can

:44:49.:44:56.

presume he is likely to face a challenge and probably this summer.

:44:57.:45:01.

Who will challenge him we don't know. The names include Yvette

:45:02.:45:08.

Cooper, Dan Jarvis and maybe other candidates. What I would say that is

:45:09.:45:18.

that Jeremy Corbyn is not absolutely guaranteed to win another leadership

:45:19.:45:24.

contest. A project on membership will be doing surveys on party

:45:25.:45:33.

members after the election but what we know after the result when Owen

:45:34.:45:40.

Smith challenged Jeremy Corbyn at the wrong time in some ways last

:45:41.:45:45.

year, we still know that large numbers of Labour members did not

:45:46.:45:51.

vote for Jeremy Corbyn. It won't take that many people to peel away

:45:52.:45:56.

for there to be a different result this time around. The other scenario

:45:57.:46:03.

is of course Jeremy Corbyn goes. If that happens it will come about as

:46:04.:46:10.

the result of MPs in the PLP managing to get another -- enough

:46:11.:46:16.

nominations for the candidate to get on the ballot for Lent -- then

:46:17.:46:21.

should contest. We have done some figures on that and I think it is

:46:22.:46:28.

possible that Jeremy Corbyn's supporters in parliament after the

:46:29.:46:39.

election could actually get to the magic 15% threshold and be able to

:46:40.:46:45.

get on the ballot, in which case Jeremy might be given permission by

:46:46.:46:52.

those around him to resign. If that isn't the case, again we need to be

:46:53.:46:58.

very careful before thinking the Labour membership will automatically

:46:59.:47:05.

elect a Jeremy Corbyn clone after June the 9th. The reason being is

:47:06.:47:13.

the election defeat is going to be psychologically devastating. Of

:47:14.:47:17.

course some Labour members will retreat into denial of paranoia and

:47:18.:47:24.

we will get stories about the reason Jeromy lost being the media and

:47:25.:47:28.

being stabbed in the back by his MPs. But some Labour members will be

:47:29.:47:36.

shaken by the result. We do have to remember that a large proportion of

:47:37.:47:43.

Labour grassroots members and not signallers, they do want to be in

:47:44.:47:46.

power and they don't want the Conservative Party to be in power.

:47:47.:47:52.

We also have to remember, although they are not as important as they

:47:53.:47:57.

were before, that some trade union leaders at least will begin to back

:47:58.:48:04.

off supporting the Jeremy Corbyn wing of the Labour Party. They

:48:05.:48:08.

cannot carry on forever throwing their members with money after bad.

:48:09.:48:17.

Having said that, if a left winger winds, be it Jeremy Corbyn or a

:48:18.:48:26.

successor, then I do think that we do have two at least consider there

:48:27.:48:32.

being a serious risk of historic and fatal split in the Labour Party. Why

:48:33.:48:42.

do I say that? It is true of course that Labour MPs will have been

:48:43.:48:48.

elected under the Labour banner. It is true of course that Labour MPs

:48:49.:48:52.

have in mind all the time the president of the SDP in the 1980s

:48:53.:48:57.

which is not a good precedent for a party splintering. It's true of

:48:58.:49:04.

course that MPs are very aware of the obstacles presented to any new

:49:05.:49:09.

party by a first past the post system and it is obvious that any

:49:10.:49:12.

new party would have to be led by someone who can connect with the

:49:13.:49:18.

electorate. It's all very well to talk about doing the same in France

:49:19.:49:29.

but there is nobody obvious like him in the Labour Party who can pull

:49:30.:49:33.

that off. On the other hand I think it is at least possible that large

:49:34.:49:40.

numbers of Labour MPs, despite the volatility in the electorate, will

:49:41.:49:46.

regard the prospect of five and probably another ten years out of

:49:47.:49:52.

power with a degree of horror and they will not necessarily want to go

:49:53.:49:56.

down with what many of them regard as a sinking ship. They also know I

:49:57.:50:02.

think and this is very important, that is a crucial difference between

:50:03.:50:07.

now and the STP scenario in the 1980s. If a critical mass of Labour

:50:08.:50:11.

MPs is achieved and we're talking probably three figures worth of

:50:12.:50:19.

Labour MPs, then the breakaway party that is formed could immediately

:50:20.:50:24.

become the official opposition in this country. To become the official

:50:25.:50:30.

opposition is it simply needs to be the largest party not in government

:50:31.:50:36.

in the Commons. It would be as long as a new party were registered, that

:50:37.:50:42.

party would become the opposition. That is very different than from

:50:43.:50:46.

what happened to the SDP in the 1980s. Labour MPs also know that

:50:47.:50:51.

there is probably financial backing up their for some new venture and it

:50:52.:50:57.

is much easier these days to get finance than it probably was back in

:50:58.:51:03.

the 1980s. They will know that there are large numbers of voters who may

:51:04.:51:07.

be disillusioned and looking for a home. They will know that some

:51:08.:51:12.

Labour members and we're talking tens of thousands, might be up for

:51:13.:51:22.

something new. And they know some of the staff of the Labour Party may be

:51:23.:51:25.

as well and for those some of the Lib Dems may be interested as well.

:51:26.:51:36.

There is a sweet spot in Britain's system and it is when the majority

:51:37.:51:41.

of British voters are, namely centrist and even slightly

:51:42.:51:45.

centre-left on the economy but rather traditional authoritarian and

:51:46.:51:51.

restrictive on issues like immigration and welfare benefits and

:51:52.:51:57.

crying. At the moment that sweet spot is occupied by Theresa May's

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Conservative Party. She has done a lot to ensure that is the case. Just

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as before it was occupied by Tony Blair's Labour Party. And until

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labour moves back to that sweet spot the Conservatives are going to

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continue to rule the country. If Labour proves unable to make that

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move in the next few months after the election it is in serious danger

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of being replaced, not by an existing party, but by a new

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entrant. I think that rather than the substantial victory that Theresa

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May is going to get in this election is why this summer like last summer

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could be a historic one for British politics. We have a lot of

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interesting times ahead.

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