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11:47am. The question is as on the order paper. Mr John McDonnell. I do

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hope the good humour continues, but we will see. I admire the honourable

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member bore his creativity at all matters -- all times on raising

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matters. Mr Speaker, you and I have been in the chamber for over 20

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years, watching budget debates, and as you most probably know, have

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referred in the past to the iron law of budgets. It's this. That the

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louder the cheers for the Chancellor on the budget day, the greater the

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disappointment three days later at the weekend. I'm revising that iron

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law. This budget didn't last three days, it lasted less than three

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hours. I want to address some of the main policy announcements in the

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budget but I believe overall the Chancellor's statement evidenced the

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fundamental difference in values of our two parties. What we saw

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yesterday was a Conservative Chancellor boasting about tax cuts

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to the corporations and the rich, whilst refusing to effectively

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tackle the crisis in social care for the elderly, refusing to properly

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fund the NHS and increasing the national insurance birding on many

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middle and low self employed earners. At the same time, breaking

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a clear manifesto promise. Our values are these. We believe in a

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fair taxation system, where everybody, no matter how rich and

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powerful they may be, they pay their way. We believe that the Uefa

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taxation system and collective endeavour, the elderly and the

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disabled should be cared for, the thick should be treated and children

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educated to do about their talents to the full. -- been sick should be

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treated. That is not what we saw yesterday. We also adhere to

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manifesto promises. On the state of the economy, all the talk before the

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budget, I saw from the press briefings of the Chancellor, was

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aimed at providing a positive backdrop for Brexit. That is not the

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real world experience of millions of people. Yesterday, the Chancellor

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boasted about economic growth. But what is positive about Britain being

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the only large developed economy where, when economic growth

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returned, wages fell? What is positive about rising GDP of most

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people -- if most people are worse off? What is positive about seeing

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the national living wage revised down again? What is positive about

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more downward revisions to wage forecasts? How can anyone describe

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an economy as much bit when people in that -- match fit when people in

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that economy are seeing their wages fall again and again? Wages are

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still worth today less than they were nine years ago. The disposable

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income is less than it was before the financial crisis. The official

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forecasts are clear. Working people now, as a result of this

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Government's choices and this Government's budget will be worse

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off. Official forecasts suggest they will be ?500 a year worse off in

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2021 and predicted in the Autumn Statement. Average earnings are

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expected to be lower in 2022 than they were before yesterday's budget.

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Average earnings are only expected to return to their pre-crisis peaked

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at best by the end of 2022. The Chancellor also claimed in one press

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release that this is an economy built on resilience. It's an

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economy, to be frank, built on sand. Unsecured borrowing by households

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have shot up to levels not seen since before the financial crisis.

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This should be a warning sign to all of us. The budget responsibility

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office shows unsecured household borrowing to a shopping 47% of

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household income by the end of the decade. For many people today, this

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extra borrowing will be, to be frank, out of desperation as prices

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rise and wages fail to keep up. Many people are digging themselves to get

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-- deeper into debt just to get by. The Chancellor says he doesn't want

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to put the economy on a credit card. But that's exactly what he's doing

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and his policies are doing, forcing ordinary people onto dependence on

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their credit card. There's no resilience in an economy that is

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funding -- failing in its fundamentals. Business investment

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fell last year for the first time since the depths of the last

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reception. Companies are cancelling planned investment because they are

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terrified about what the future holds under this Government,

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particularly with the rest of Brexit. They have seen seven years

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wasted on the industrial strategy they need from this Government and

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now they are fearful of its plans for Brexit. So productivity growth,

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the engine for prosperity, has stagnated. We are lagging behind

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several economies. A typical British worker takes five days to produce

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what their German or French counterpart takes four. He failed to

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provide any new funding to deal with that. Worse than that, public sector

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investment will actually be ?2.3 billion less over the next five

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years than planned in the Autumn Statement. And yes, people

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celebrated International Women's Day, and there were calls for a

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budget that works for women but they have been ignored. Women are still

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bearing the brunt of the Tory agenda, with 86% of cuts falling on

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women, a figure changed -- unchanged from last year, and the Government

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ignored once again the hundreds of women who turned up yesterday to

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lobby Parliament. Things are as bad as ever under this Government for

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women, so we urge them to publish the true impact of that budget on

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women and how they intend to reverse that. Under Labour, all budgets will

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be gender audited to make sure that we have an economy that works for

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all. Let me turn onto some of the policy announcements in the budget.

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Let's turn to self-employment. The Chancellor's decision to push a tax

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rise makes little sense... We need to find new ways to reward

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entrepreneurs and risk-takers in our tax system. Does he accept that the

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difficulty is there's no way of distinguishing at present between

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such a person and, say, a professional like perhaps a

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journalist who has sought an arrangement with their editor to pay

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them a self-employed? That is the difficulty. But with respect to the

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low paid, 60% of those who are self-employed will actually see a

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reduction, taking into account class two. He raises are valid point with

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regards to bogus self-employment which we thought the Chancellor

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might even have mentioned yesterday in his statement. He never even

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referred to it and it's something which needs to be addressed because

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there are many people forced into self-employment or manipulated into

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self-employment and bogus self-employment does need to be

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tackled and we have been campaigning for that, along with a number of

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organisations including trade unions at the Federation of Small

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Businesses. What we saw yesterday was middle and low earners hit.

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Someone on ?20,000 will lose about ?250 a year. Someone on ?40,000 a

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year will lose about ?460 a year. They are the consequences and I

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don't think they are high earners. They are middle to low earners who

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should be protected, particularly at a time when there is frailty in the

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economy. Spending is dipping at the moment and if you are at the front

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of consumer spending dipping, it will largely be those sole traders,

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those small traders out there at the moment, the window cleaners, drivers

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and others who will be hit. This is both wrong and also the wrong time

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to be putting their careers, their jobs in jeopardy. The justification

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for yesterday's policy just doesn't stand up. You can't demand more

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taxes of people without offering something in return. This party is

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fully behind looking at how the Labour market is changing. The

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honourable gentleman is right on that. My colleague, the Shadow

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Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, spoke last year about the

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principles which should guide such changes. We have raised the problem

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of bogus self-employment regularly... I give way. Does he

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also share my view that a lot of these people on low pay in

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self-employment also get no protection against termination of

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employment, no holiday pay and no sick pay? I will give a quick

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anecdote. A worker sat next to me on the tube a month ago as he was going

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on night shift. He used to work for a company that went bust as the

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skilled rail maintenance worker. He is now employed by an agency and

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doesn't know whether he will have work tomorrow or the next day, he

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gets no sick pay, no holiday pay, he has deep get an accountant to cover

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his tax and salary payments and that the same time he can be sold on from

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agency to agency. That is not real self-employment. That is

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exploitation of someone who has been forced into self-employment and

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issues must be addressed in that way. The insecurity not just in the

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league economy but also because of what has happened in recent years

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forcing people into self-employment. Those issues were not even addressed

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yesterday. There is a problem of employers shirking their

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responsibilities by forcing staff into self-employment in that way. We

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did not get a package of measures yesterday designed to address the

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problems in the modern world of work. It was a single, unilateral

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tax hike for the self-employed three people earning over ?8,000 being

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hit. -- because people earning over ?8,000 will be hit. The Chancellor

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tried to that shade over this by announcing the abolition of class

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two. This is a tax hike of ?2 billion targeted at the seldom void.

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That is clear. Increasing the taxes paid by the self-employed does not

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move them to parity with the self-employed because they do not

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receive the same benefits as the employed. The Chancellor says he is

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closing this gap but he -- we do not believe this gap should fall on some

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of the lowest paid, most honourable and precarious in our society. I

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wonder if he agrees with the Croydon Conservative councillor James

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Thompson who tweets, disgusted by this so-called Tory Government

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hitting the self-employed? I find what's interesting is that the

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response to yesterday's statement has been one of anxiety right across

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the political spectrum. I am hoping the Chancellor is listening. I am

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hoping that both the Labour Party and other parties in this House will

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combined with some conservatives who are concerned in this way and we can

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force the Chancellor to think again. Let me just, if I can press on, the

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Chancellor, as I said, is concerned about the gap between different

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contribution rates, that is what he said. We do not believe that

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actually the burden for closing the gap should fall on the most low paid

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workers. And this is the consequence of that decision yesterday. They are

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making the minicab drivers pay more, so they are taxing, let's call it

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the Uber drivers, was that the same time they are cutting the taxes of

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Uber it self. A hairdresser earning ?15,000 a year

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will be 100 of it. That cannot be fair. That just cannot be right. --

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?137 worse off. It is a manifest their betrayal. There was a promise

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and it read like this: this means that we can commit to no increases

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in VAT, income tax or National Insurance. Taxes on working people.

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This will harm our economy, reduce living standards and cost jobs. Not

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me, not Labour MPs, Tory manifesto. The government has been trying to

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muddy the waters by talking about a bill they brought forward in 2015.

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This was a bill that sought to cap contributions will Class one and

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Labour supporter there. They did not even allude to the fact any other

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classes would see increases. The Chief secretary said this: we do not

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have further proposals other than those we previously set out. That

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was what was said at committee. Some have tried also to portray the tax

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as progressive but what is progressive of raising taxes for low

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paid drivers while the government goes ahead with cuts to capital

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gains tax for a tiny few? What is progressive about raising taxes for

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low paid self-employed cleaners while the wealthiest families got a

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tax cut in inheritance tax question of what is progressive about raising

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taxes for plumbers while multinational corporations see tax

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bills slashed every year? What is its ?70 billion of tax giveaways for

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the wealthiest and corporations while hiking taxes on middle and low

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earners. And just because the higher paid would pay a bit more that

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doesn't make it right for the government to club those on low

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incomes to plug a gap in their finances. It is interesting the

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government has promised a review of the tax hikes already scheduled. So

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it may well be there as jam tomorrow, maybe if you choose to

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believe the government. But who would actually believe the

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government after breaking a clear manifesto promise? This government

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could not have made its interests more clear. If hiking self-employed

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taxes while slashing taxes for the corporations. And I just quote the

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Federation of Small Businesses. And it says this: increasing this tax

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burden effectively funded by a reduction in corporation tax over

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the same period simply is the wrong way to go. I agree. And meanwhile

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the government's small incremental reforms to business rates fall far

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short of the radical long-term reform that is needed. They are just

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trying a delaying tactic. But business rates are a ticking time

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bomb threatening to destroy many of our town centres. This to be frank

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is a government of the giant corporations and tax avoidance. It

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is not the government for workers. Not the government for the

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self-employed. And not a government for small businesses. Let me turn to

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the social care system. And the announcements yesterday. Our social

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care system is in crisis. In crisis. I have a nematode with my own

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constituent I visited with last week. A young woman looking after

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her father who has had seven strokes and a mother with dementia. Trying

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to hold down a job and cannot get the care. As a result cut hours and

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that renders the income into her own families extremely tight and

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difficult. That is one example in my constituency that is repeated across

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the country. According to the King 's fund, social care is ?2 billion,

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now. Now. Just to cope with the emergency. And the Chancellor just

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failed to grasp the whole scale of the crisis. The money announced

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yesterday amounts to less than a third of what is needed. What I

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resented yesterday is the media portrayal of the ?2 billion but we

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were never told until the last minute it is ?2 billion over three

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years. Nowhere near meeting the crisis. That people are injuring at

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the moment. There is now more than 1 million people and they are mainly

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older people, frail people, desperate for social care. They

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still can't get it. As a result of this failure to address the

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emergency we are facing. Making a very clever speech but understand

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this is a political moment because it is the budget debate but does he

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think sometime down the road both sides can work together not with

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this model but to get a new model for social care? I always respect

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interventions from the honourable gentleman because he seems to find a

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solution... Exactly as my honourable friend has said. This party tried

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the bipartisan approach, tried hard. The honourable members worked in

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good faith. To seek a resolution of this matter in the long term. They

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looked to a range of options. Halfway through those discussions,

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to be frank, we were betrayed. And it became instead of a bipartisan

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approach it became a political campaign. I think of the worst

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order. It was a betrayal of confidence. It would take a lot, to

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be frank, to regain that confidence that we are willing, willing to have

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those discussions with anybody, anywhere. But I tell you also trip

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and last I went beyond political knock-about. It was a betrayal of

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the older people, the frail and elderly people who desperately

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needed a solution and their families as well. Because families are

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imploding as a result of the lack of social care and the moment because

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of the burden they are suffering. The women's budget group did an

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analysis of the budget last year and this and they identified two groups

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who have been hit hardest by austerity. One was younger women

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with children. The other were older women. I cannot understand why

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initially. They explained it was because within our culture still

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unfortunately the burden of care still falls on women. It is retired

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women who were then taking and filling the gap of social care no

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longer being provided. We are always willing to talk to anyone to find a

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practical solution. It is on that backdrop to be frank of a sense of

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betrayal from the past. At five feet from the past. Britain I really

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welcome his commitment to talk to anyone to try to find solutions. He

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may be where we have launched an initiative with Labour, Conservative

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and Lib Dem MPs to try and establish a care convention. With the fact

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that? It seems to me it is absolutely essential we set up a

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process to establish a long-term settlement. The process of bringing

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MPs together as individuals, not as party representatives. We will look

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forward to any browser that come forward and if we can find a

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practical way forward we certainly will. The most important thing at

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the moment is we have an emergency at the moment. We need ?2 billion

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now, not over three years, plus offering. I felt a sense of relief

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first of all when it was trailed we were going to give ?2 billion. In

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extreme disappointment. That was never mentioned. Woodley also agree

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that with the news today with the January figures of those waiting

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more than four hours for A, 86%, the worst on record, is another

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example of how we are at crisis point within our health and social

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care systems? My honourable friend has prefaced exactly what I'm coming

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to. Not only do the government failed to address social care, they

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fail to address in any way the crisis in the NHS. It was completely

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ignored. We were warning, not just ours, others were warning ahead of

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the Autumn Statement that the NHS was in crisis. It was in crisis

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before the winter. But the Chancellor can find a single penny

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for the NHS in the Autumn Statement. The Royal College of Nursing now

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says NHS is in its worst crisis ever. Ahead of the budget the BMA

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called for another ?10 million and a smile friend has just said today

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they are times I've got worse. More people are waiting longer and it is

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astonishing that this time in the budget there was a compass complete

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failure to organise the skill of the crisis. -- as my honourable friend

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just said Class two waiting times have got worse. Instead we have ?100

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million to enable GPs to triage in accident and emergency. Mr Speaker,

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the capital spend will be building rooms for GPs in hospitals with no

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GPs to staff them. Because there was no revenue funding associated with

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that proposal. I just ask the government... , I am grateful to the

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Shadow Chancellor for giving way. It is not just the immediate crisis in

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the images, it is preventable future crises that will cover long-term

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conditions like diabetes for example. This seems to be no

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planning for the future. It seems to me we have missed an opportunity to

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invest in intervention that would save the taxpayer an enormous mass

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of money in the future. My honourable friend, part of his

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campaign, he has stuck with this for years, I can remember him saying

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this some years ago under the previous Secretary of State and

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there were assurances given about the investment in preventative

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medicine. And what happened was a reorganisation, and the money was

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lost. I congratulate him for his campaign and I regret he has had to

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continue it. Certainly in terms of the investment we need investment in

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preventative health and will need emergency funding for the NHS

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itself. I just returned to read. It just shows the difference in values.

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Investment in the NHS on the site, tax giveaway over the next five

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years to those who need it least. People suffering in just need social

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care. People are dying because of the decisions of this government and

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because of their failure to address them but also their prioritisation

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of tax cuts for big corporations. Then we come onto education and

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skills. The Chancellor claimed this is a budget for young and four

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skills. He waxed lyrical about the need to provide decent chances in

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life for all. These are sentiments we share. Extra funding for training

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is of course welcome. But the ?500 million of additional skills funding

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is nowhere near enough to undo the damage of seven years of this

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government. Adult skills funding is falling by 54% since 2010, a cut of

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1.36 billion. ?500 million does not come close to reversing the damage.

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The Chancellor is providing ?1 billion for the vanity project

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results. It is more money for a ludicrous throwback to grammar

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schools. Thousands of hours wasted on schemes for a tiny handful of

:24:52.:24:56.

privileged children leaving the rest to fail. It is the same old Tories.

:24:57.:25:01.

Real term funding cuts for state schools and 95% of our children use

:25:02.:25:08.

those. The first cuts since when? Since the last Conservative

:25:09.:25:15.

government. 50s throwback fantasy is not how you run a modern educational

:25:16.:25:20.

system. Finally, Madam Deputy Speaker, Brexit. The work that never

:25:21.:25:27.

spoke its name in the Chancellor 's speech yesterday. Shopping. The

:25:28.:25:33.

Chancellor was silent on the greatest challenge facing this

:25:34.:25:37.

country. -- shocking. The word Brexit never passed his lips. As

:25:38.:25:42.

Britain prepares to begin the process of leaving the EU the

:25:43.:25:44.

Chancellor had nothing to say on the matter. It should be clear why. I

:25:45.:25:49.

think it is because he does not agree with the position of his own

:25:50.:25:53.

government. The Prime Minister claims no deal is better than a bad

:25:54.:25:57.

deal. This is absurd. No deal would be the worst possible deal. The

:25:58.:26:02.

Chancellor knows that. He knows it farewell. He knows it is a risk

:26:03.:26:06.

because the warnings, just from ours, they come from manufacturers,

:26:07.:26:10.

business leaders, employers organisations, trade unions, and

:26:11.:26:16.

widespread civil society organisations, from economists and

:26:17.:26:19.

international organisations. From every part of the economy the

:26:20.:26:22.

Chancellor is being told that to crash out of the European Union

:26:23.:26:24.

without a trade deal would be disastrous. We would be cut off from

:26:25.:26:30.

investment, we would be cut off from our biggest trading partner, cut off

:26:31.:26:36.

from the skills and contributions of EU nationals who have made such a

:26:37.:26:39.

contribution to our economy and society. It is a disgrace. It is a

:26:40.:26:44.

disgrace that those EU nationals live with in security still because

:26:45.:26:48.

this government will not give them the assurances they need. But this

:26:49.:26:54.

is where the Conservative Party is now setting its course. Prior to the

:26:55.:26:55.

budget... I agree that it was shopping there

:26:56.:27:11.

was no mention of Brexit given that it is the greatest challenge facing

:27:12.:27:17.

the country. Would he also agree that it was shocking that there was

:27:18.:27:29.

no mention of... In the past life of mine, I was responsible for managing

:27:30.:27:34.

European funds for London. I know what contributions they make. It

:27:35.:27:39.

isn't just the contribution they make, I also know how much

:27:40.:27:43.

investment in from elsewhere. I also know what match funding is required

:27:44.:27:52.

and how international development can be used and all that will be

:27:53.:27:55.

lost because this Government will not make the assurances needed. In

:27:56.:28:01.

the Liverpool city region we are meant to Wellcome ?30 million a year

:28:02.:28:06.

for the next 30 years which is 900 million. We have lost over a billion

:28:07.:28:10.

indirect funding cuts to our five local authorities and half a billion

:28:11.:28:17.

in European funding has been granted for the last two rounds of that with

:28:18.:28:23.

no guarantee for anything in the future. There is a real issue, does

:28:24.:28:27.

he not agree with me, that will regional development and regional

:28:28.:28:31.

funding to try to grow our economy is from the bottom up customer I

:28:32.:28:37.

know how hard my honourable friend has fought on these issues and I

:28:38.:28:42.

congratulate her. She has a grassroots understanding of this

:28:43.:28:45.

lack of funding and the applications it will have a particular region and

:28:46.:28:50.

the city. The consequences are staggering. The lack of investment,

:28:51.:28:55.

but also it is the undermining of confidence in the private sector as

:28:56.:28:58.

well to match fund and invest. That is what we are seeing at the moment.

:28:59.:29:04.

And yet in the Chancellor's statement, not the word of assurance

:29:05.:29:10.

to anybody, whether council leaders, business investors or workers

:29:11.:29:13.

themselves. I find it disgraceful and what is interesting, prior to

:29:14.:29:18.

the budget, the Chancellor and allies floated the idea that he was

:29:19.:29:22.

garnering a 60 billion pound fighting fund. It's not a fighting

:29:23.:29:29.

fund, it's a failure Bund. He is having to put aside cash to deal

:29:30.:29:35.

with the consequences of what he knows will be a Tory failure. As my

:29:36.:29:40.

right honourable friend is on the Brexit point, I was concerned, and I

:29:41.:29:45.

wonder if he shares these concerns, that no provision has been given to

:29:46.:29:50.

the Home Office for processing the applications of EU citizens, 3.2

:29:51.:29:54.

million people. The Home Office has suffered enormous cuts over the last

:29:55.:29:58.

few years and they will simply not be able to deal with the

:29:59.:30:01.

applications that are going to be made. At the moment, there is a

:30:02.:30:06.

seven-month waiting time to get your certificate in order to remain here.

:30:07.:30:10.

Does he not think that provision should have been made for that? It's

:30:11.:30:18.

not just that provision should be made, it's the cuts that have

:30:19.:30:21.

already been established. Whatever system is introduced, it will not be

:30:22.:30:25.

fit for purpose due to lack of investment. Can I just say this. We

:30:26.:30:32.

all understand the boat on the referendum. People voted to leave

:30:33.:30:35.

but we repeat time and time again, they did not vote to trash their

:30:36.:30:40.

jobs or their livelihood or the economy. A responsible Government

:30:41.:30:44.

would make sure both jobs and the economy are protected. A responsible

:30:45.:30:47.

budget ahead of article 50 would show how the Government would

:30:48.:30:52.

protect both. The Chancellor has a responsibility here and he failed to

:30:53.:30:58.

deliver on it. Let me just conclude, the Chancellor dared to talk

:30:59.:31:01.

elsewhere about the difficulty in decisions he had to make. It's not

:31:02.:31:08.

him making the difficult decisions. It's the NHS manager in a hospital

:31:09.:31:11.

is deciding whether someone can have a bed or a trolley. It's a Police

:31:12.:31:16.

Commissioner deciding which streets will be patrolled. It's a council

:31:17.:31:20.

leader deciding which children centre will be closed. They are the

:31:21.:31:24.

difficult decisions. Not the Chancellor 's. He is passing the

:31:25.:31:29.

buck to others for his own cuts. He lives in a world completely

:31:30.:31:33.

insulated from the consequences of his decisions. He can fit in number

:31:34.:31:36.

11 and delete lines on his spreadsheet without a thought for

:31:37.:31:41.

their consequences. For him, it's all in a days work and it's the rest

:31:42.:31:45.

of our society that have to deal with the results. We have had seven

:31:46.:31:50.

long years of austerity from this Conservative Government. The

:31:51.:31:53.

spending cuts have dragged our society to the brink. The suffering

:31:54.:31:56.

has been immense and it is not the Chancellor and his colleagues on the

:31:57.:32:02.

receiving end. It's the victims. The parents who can't get a school

:32:03.:32:05.

place, the young people who can't get a decent home because of the

:32:06.:32:08.

housing shortage, the families who cannot read this and care for their

:32:09.:32:12.

parents. We have seen public services shredded and standards of

:32:13.:32:16.

care in normal life torn up. For what was to mark so they can hugely

:32:17.:32:25.

increased the national debt. So after austerity is supposed to have

:32:26.:32:30.

ended, we can look forward to what? Continuous cuts in public services

:32:31.:32:37.

for the rest of this Parliament. We need a fair taxation system which

:32:38.:32:41.

ensures public resources are invested and long-term public

:32:42.:32:45.

investment in our economy. Something that tackles tax evasion at the same

:32:46.:32:50.

time. We need to grow our economy and make sure that as we build a

:32:51.:32:55.

prosperous economy, it is shared by all and not in tax cuts for the rich

:32:56.:33:01.

and corporations. Yesterday was not just complacent, it was arrogant and

:33:02.:33:14.

it was cruel. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition gave us a response

:33:15.:33:17.

which sounded like it was written in a week ago, regardless of what was

:33:18.:33:21.

in the budget. The Shadow Chancellor has just done the same. It shows us

:33:22.:33:25.

all once again that the Labour Party never learns. There is no

:33:26.:33:32.

recognition of the state his party left the country's finances in, no

:33:33.:33:37.

awareness of the millions of lives that have been devastated by

:33:38.:33:41.

Labour's record-breaking recession and absolutely no understanding of

:33:42.:33:44.

the most basic rule of any responsible Government. If you want

:33:45.:33:49.

to spend money, you have to do raise it. If he had been standing on the

:33:50.:33:53.

steps of number 11 yesterday holding up his little red box, he would have

:33:54.:34:01.

come here and announced half ?1 trillion of additional borrowing.

:34:02.:34:06.

Half ?1 trillion. And every last penny of that would have to be

:34:07.:34:10.

serviced and paid off by our children and our children's children

:34:11.:34:15.

for decades to come. Let me explain to the honourable lady how finance

:34:16.:34:23.

actually works. If you borrow money, you have to pay it back. Tens of

:34:24.:34:27.

millions of hard-working Britons know that. They do it every month

:34:28.:34:31.

with their mortgages, their loans and credit card bills, get the

:34:32.:34:35.

concept seems to elude the Right honourable gentleman. Let's hope he

:34:36.:34:40.

learns something today. After all, Madam Deputy Speaker, I am always a

:34:41.:34:45.

great believer in workplace learning. Clearly it's important to

:34:46.:34:51.

get the deficit down. In fact, his Government said they were going to

:34:52.:34:55.

eliminate it by 2015. That's two years ago and in the budget

:34:56.:34:59.

document, it now becomes clear that it may not be eliminated by 2025. Is

:35:00.:35:05.

that his definition of success? Ten years late on a five-year plan. No

:35:06.:35:15.

apology from the right honourable lady during the 13 years of power of

:35:16.:35:20.

the last Labour Government, even -- almost threefold increase in the

:35:21.:35:24.

country's national debt leaving the largest budget deficit of any

:35:25.:35:36.

developed economy. Pity actually tell the House a promise that has

:35:37.:35:40.

actually been kept by this Government in relation to the

:35:41.:35:45.

economy? -- could he actually? I would think that one of the promises

:35:46.:35:48.

that the honourable lady would have focused on is the creation of 2.7

:35:49.:35:53.

million jobs in this economy since 2010. They tell themselves the

:35:54.:35:56.

Labour Party but they couldn't care less. I give way to my honourable

:35:57.:36:04.

friend. Does he think that the extra ?500 billion worth of additional

:36:05.:36:07.

spending proposed by the party opposite would do anything to

:36:08.:36:14.

increase or reduce the deficit? My honourable friend, as always, makes

:36:15.:36:20.

a good point. We know that their plans, if implemented, would not

:36:21.:36:23.

just result in more spending, but more debt and agrees that deficit

:36:24.:36:30.

and bring us back to another Labour record-breaking recession if they

:36:31.:36:32.

have the chance. I will plough on but I will give way in a moment

:36:33.:36:37.

again. Figures released since the Autumn Statement are provided

:36:38.:36:40.

further evidence of the fundamental strength and resilience of the UK

:36:41.:36:44.

economy. Growth is forecast to hit 2% this year. The deficit is on

:36:45.:36:48.

course to reach its lowest level in two decades. Debt is forecast to

:36:49.:36:54.

begin falling in 2018 to 2019 for the first time in more than 15

:36:55.:37:01.

years. I will give way. Of course if we borrow money we have to pay it

:37:02.:37:06.

back. Why is there no mention of Brexit given that the OBE are have

:37:07.:37:10.

said the cost of Brexit could be 58 billion to the public finances? That

:37:11.:37:17.

is a huge sum we would have to repay so why was there no mention of it?

:37:18.:37:22.

The Chancellor talked about leaving the European Union. It's one of the

:37:23.:37:26.

best things he said. It's a shame that the honourable gentleman wasn't

:37:27.:37:30.

listening. Most importantly, this success is being felt in the pockets

:37:31.:37:35.

of ordinary working people with real wage is forecast a rise in every

:37:36.:37:41.

year to 2020, 20 21. Britain is home to more private-sector businesses

:37:42.:37:44.

than ever before, providing more jobs than ever before. We have gone

:37:45.:37:49.

from a record-breaking six -- record-breaking recession to

:37:50.:37:52.

record-breaking employment. We are not complacent. There is a lot more

:37:53.:37:56.

to do. Going on a wild spending spree simply because of improved

:37:57.:38:01.

growth forecast would be like going down the pub to celebrate your

:38:02.:38:05.

overdraft being extended. Our focus is on sustainable public finances

:38:06.:38:11.

and that must continue. That is what this budget provides. The Secretary

:38:12.:38:18.

of State is lecturing the House on how finance works. We would like to

:38:19.:38:23.

know how it works in his department. The Secretary of State has denied

:38:24.:38:26.

offering Surrey County Council a sweetheart deal but the BBC have now

:38:27.:38:30.

published a letter from officials showing that they did, in fact,

:38:31.:38:35.

offers Surrey more cash in a unique deal. Did the Secretary of State

:38:36.:38:38.

know about that letter when he issued his denial? The honourable

:38:39.:38:47.

gentleman will no that if he had cared to look on the 29th of

:38:48.:38:51.

February, that Surrey approach the department as did many other

:38:52.:38:54.

councils for a financial settlement, asking for more money. They made a

:38:55.:39:01.

request all were considered for business rates retention plan and

:39:02.:39:06.

that was firmly rejected. I will then I will carry on. Order. Order.

:39:07.:39:17.

If people want to intervene, they can stand up and intervene. We will

:39:18.:39:21.

not have chuntering from a sedentary position. Or rather, let's be honest

:39:22.:39:28.

about it, when you are sitting down, you don't speak in here, otherwise

:39:29.:39:31.

we can't hear who is speaking. One person at a time. Thank you very

:39:32.:39:37.

much for that protection, Madam Deputy Speaker. Much appreciated.

:39:38.:39:42.

Can I thank the Secretary of State for the team Broxbourne last week

:39:43.:39:45.

and can I divert him from Surrey back to Hertfordshire where I much

:39:46.:39:49.

bigger problem is and incinerator application where the awarding local

:39:50.:39:52.

authority is also the planning authority when it comes to that

:39:53.:39:55.

planning application. This strikes me as a conflict of interest and I

:39:56.:39:59.

suspect the Secretary of State cannot focus on this now but did he

:40:00.:40:04.

take that into consideration, this conflict of interest in local

:40:05.:40:10.

authorities? Madam Deputy Speaker, I think my honourable friend would

:40:11.:40:12.

understand that it wouldn't be appropriate for me to comment on a

:40:13.:40:16.

particular planning application but if he cared to banish me with more

:40:17.:40:20.

in the making, I'm sure officials in the department would take a look.

:40:21.:40:25.

Madam Deputy Speaker, I will in a moment, I will plough one further in

:40:26.:40:30.

my comments. By maintaining a robust growing economy we will be

:40:31.:40:34.

well-placed to make the most of the opportunities that Brexit will bring

:40:35.:40:37.

and it will allow us to make additional commitment in the of

:40:38.:40:41.

areas without putting our hard won economic recovery at risk. The first

:40:42.:40:46.

area is adult social care. The true measure of any society is how it

:40:47.:40:49.

cares for its most vulnerable citizens will stop with advances in

:40:50.:40:54.

medical care and an ageing population, many councils have found

:40:55.:40:57.

it increasingly difficult to meet the costs of care in their

:40:58.:41:04.

communities. Because it was on the matter of social care that the

:41:05.:41:07.

correspondence with Surrey County Council was going on, was he aware

:41:08.:41:11.

when he issued his denial that his own director of local Government

:41:12.:41:15.

finance had sent a letter to Surrey County Council offering them a

:41:16.:41:20.

unique financial deal? Madam Deputy Speaker, I think I have already

:41:21.:41:25.

answered that question. For the honourable gentleman, there was no

:41:26.:41:28.

deal available to Surrey that is not available to any other local

:41:29.:41:31.

authority. On a matter of adult social care, I have been working on

:41:32.:41:36.

this issue with my right honourable friend the Secretary of State for

:41:37.:41:41.

Health and the Chancellor. The result is an additional ?2 billion

:41:42.:41:44.

of funding for adult social care. Let me be very clear. Every single

:41:45.:41:48.

council in England responsible for adult social care will be benefiting

:41:49.:41:56.

from this additional money, ruble or city -based, north or south. They

:41:57.:42:01.

will be moving to put packages in place with allocations published

:42:02.:42:04.

later today. This additional money, but they did for 2017 to 2018, will

:42:05.:42:08.

make an immediate difference to people in our communities who need

:42:09.:42:13.

care and support and it will bring the total dedicated funding for

:42:14.:42:17.

adult social care in England to ?9.6 billion over the course of this

:42:18.:42:22.

Parliament. I know this is a novel concept for the party opposite, but

:42:23.:42:26.

more money is not the only answer. This Government is not just

:42:27.:42:30.

dedicated to sustainable economic growth, we also believe in

:42:31.:42:34.

sustainable public services. Demand for adult social care is not about

:42:35.:42:37.

to stop rising. The challenge of paying for it is not going to go

:42:38.:42:42.

away. The ?2 billion announced in this budget will make a significant

:42:43.:42:45.

difference in the next three years but the challenge will not suddenly

:42:46.:42:49.

vanish in 2020. The funding model for adult social care system is

:42:50.:42:54.

clearly in need of substantial reform and improvement. It has to be

:42:55.:42:58.

made fairer and more sustainable. So we are absolutely committed to doing

:42:59.:43:02.

just that. We are looking at all the options than later this year will be

:43:03.:43:06.

publishing a green paper setting out a long-term plan which will ensure

:43:07.:43:09.

long-term I thank my right honourable friend

:43:10.:43:17.

for giving way and the announcement will be warmly welcomed across the

:43:18.:43:23.

country on money now. Before he announces the details for the

:43:24.:43:27.

long-term plan, the short-term issue is of course, is the money new money

:43:28.:43:33.

or money brought forward from later years but I'm up will it be added to

:43:34.:43:39.

baseline budgets so that local authorities can expect to receive

:43:40.:43:42.

the funding each year rather than just a once funding? Finally, the

:43:43.:43:48.

formula by which it is distributed is key because different local

:43:49.:43:52.

authorities are under different levels of pressure. I am pleased my

:43:53.:43:59.

honourable friend has asked me that question. It allows me to say more

:44:00.:44:06.

on this issue. I can confirm that ?2 billion is new money, new grant from

:44:07.:44:11.

central government. Secondly, I can confirm it will be added to every

:44:12.:44:15.

local authority's baseline over the next three years, as the money is

:44:16.:44:19.

distributed. My honourable friend asked rightly about how it will be

:44:20.:44:24.

allocated. The vast majority of the money will be allocated using the

:44:25.:44:27.

improved better care formula that already exists and is transparent

:44:28.:44:32.

and open and it will mean it is able to take into account not just the

:44:33.:44:36.

needs of every local authority but the ability they have themselves to

:44:37.:44:42.

raise money through council taxes. A small portion, 10%, will be

:44:43.:44:46.

allocated using the existing relative needs formula. The purpose

:44:47.:44:52.

is to make sure every local authority that has responsibility

:44:53.:44:55.

for adult social care is able to access new funding. I think it is

:44:56.:45:02.

important the Secretary of State tells us, the vast majority will be

:45:03.:45:07.

allocated by the Better Care Fund. The settlement before Christmas

:45:08.:45:14.

caused problems. Will he say how the rest of the money will be allocated?

:45:15.:45:22.

I thought I had just made that clear but I will repeat it and maybe be

:45:23.:45:26.

more specific. 90% will be allocated using the improved Better Care Fund

:45:27.:45:33.

formula and 10% will be allocated using the relative needs formula.

:45:34.:45:37.

Two existing formula is already in place. There will be further details

:45:38.:45:43.

published this afternoon with the allocations and a description of the

:45:44.:45:49.

formulas. I hope that is helpful. We also need to make sure councils are

:45:50.:45:54.

delivering the best possible local care services. There are many

:45:55.:45:56.

excellent examples of best practice around the country but there is a

:45:57.:46:01.

big difference between the best and worst performing areas. There is

:46:02.:46:04.

room for improvement. Alongside the additional funding announced in the

:46:05.:46:08.

budget, my right honourable friend the Health Secretary and I will

:46:09.:46:12.

shortly announce measures to help ensure those areas facing the

:46:13.:46:15.

greatest challenges can make the most rapid improvement. Looking at

:46:16.:46:22.

health more widely, we are also already committed ?10 billion annual

:46:23.:46:29.

increase in NHS funding by 2020. It goes further still. 325 million to

:46:30.:46:35.

allow the first NHS sustainability plans to go ahead meaning more

:46:36.:46:38.

efficient and effective health care for local people. There is another

:46:39.:46:44.

100 million to fund improvements in A departments for next winter,

:46:45.:46:49.

including better triage and GP facilities, enough to fund up to 100

:46:50.:46:55.

new triage projects. I will give way. He mentions the 325 million,

:46:56.:47:03.

does he recognise that 1.2 billion was taken out of capital spending in

:47:04.:47:07.

the current financial year and this money will only go to about six

:47:08.:47:14.

areas, leaving the rest of the country without any extra capital

:47:15.:47:20.

spending at all? I know the honourable gentleman cares about

:47:21.:47:25.

this issue, as a minister he was involved deeply and he should know

:47:26.:47:30.

and I am sure he will know that when the Government set out its plans for

:47:31.:47:36.

an additional ?10 billion per annum by 2020, the NHS five-year plan was

:47:37.:47:40.

calling for 8 billion. This goes over and above. The announcement in

:47:41.:47:46.

the Budget yesterday, the additional 325 million, plus 100 million, it is

:47:47.:47:54.

on top of the 10 billion per annum. Does he share my concern that there

:47:55.:48:00.

is not enough emphasis on prevention for long-term conditions such as

:48:01.:48:03.

diabetes? His ministerial colleague on his left is probably the best

:48:04.:48:09.

diabetes minister we have ever had in government and a lot of what she

:48:10.:48:14.

did was on prevention. Why has there not being more money made available

:48:15.:48:19.

for investing in the future, for cutting the taxpayer's contribution

:48:20.:48:24.

in years to come, by setting up prevention centres for conditions

:48:25.:48:30.

like diabetes? The honourable gentleman makes a good point about

:48:31.:48:37.

the importance of public health and I think he is absolutely right to

:48:38.:48:42.

pay tribute to the former Health Minister, now Financial Secretary to

:48:43.:48:45.

the Treasury, for the work she did. I hope he will agree that both her

:48:46.:48:50.

work and others, they have taken this issue seriously and some of the

:48:51.:48:55.

measures the Chancellor talked about in his budget, for example, the

:48:56.:48:59.

so-called sugar tax, this is a measure that in the long-term will

:49:00.:49:03.

help with prevention and especially with issues like diabetes. Madam

:49:04.:49:10.

Deputy Speaker, health and social care are not the only public

:49:11.:49:12.

services we are investing in. The budget finds a further 110 new free

:49:13.:49:21.

schools, free school transport to include... And an additional ?216

:49:22.:49:27.

million of investment in existing schools. When I was a teenager, my

:49:28.:49:31.

competence of school refused to let me study the A-levels of my choice.

:49:32.:49:36.

-- my comprehensive School. They said it would be a waste of time and

:49:37.:49:41.

I should go and get a job. What I did was I got the bus and I went to

:49:42.:49:46.

the other side of Bristol and I signed up at the technical college.

:49:47.:49:51.

I am proud to call myself a graduate of FTC, the education I received was

:49:52.:49:55.

second to none and without Fulton I would not be standing here today so

:49:56.:49:59.

you can blame them if you wish I was not -- Filton. Many opportunities

:50:00.:50:07.

were opened up by my time there. For years afterwards, I would still see

:50:08.:50:13.

eyebrows raised when I said I had been to a technical college. For too

:50:14.:50:19.

long in this country, there has simply not been parity of esteem

:50:20.:50:23.

between valuable technical education and more academic study. As Business

:50:24.:50:29.

Secretary, I began the process of changing that, including creating

:50:30.:50:31.

the institute of apprenticeships. I am pleased the introduction of T

:50:32.:50:35.

levels will continue that process. We are following the work done by

:50:36.:50:44.

Lord Sainsbury, Baroness Wolf and other experts to improve technical

:50:45.:50:48.

education and in doing so we are investing an additional ?500 million

:50:49.:50:54.

a year in our 16-19 -year-olds. We are offering maintenance loans for

:50:55.:50:58.

those undertaking higher level technical qualifications that the

:50:59.:51:00.

new institutions of technology and national colleges. I will give way.

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Thank you. Notwithstanding the challenges we have certainly posed

:51:08.:51:12.

on the Budget, could I welcome the T levels and the emphasis on technical

:51:13.:51:20.

education which we have also argued for on this side of the House. It is

:51:21.:51:27.

sending a very important message to young people in my constituency that

:51:28.:51:31.

there is great value in having this alternative but the challenge will

:51:32.:51:33.

be in integrating it in the workplace so it does lead to real

:51:34.:51:40.

skilled jobs in the future. The honourable lady is absolutely right.

:51:41.:51:46.

Can I thank her for her comments? She rightly points to the challenge

:51:47.:51:49.

of making sure employees also recognise these changes and I am

:51:50.:51:55.

sure some of the initiatives which is employer led and will set

:51:56.:52:00.

standards for some of the new technical training will make a

:52:01.:52:06.

difference in making sure employers welcome the new qualifications. The

:52:07.:52:09.

measures I have talked about so far will improve lives across the

:52:10.:52:13.

country but we recognise across Britain local areas want greater

:52:14.:52:16.

control of their service and infrastructure. The Government,

:52:17.:52:20.

London councils and GLA have reached an agreement on further devolution.

:52:21.:52:26.

This includes exploring a pilot for a development rights auction model

:52:27.:52:29.

and joint work to identify what elements of the criminal justice

:52:30.:52:33.

services can be delivered locally. We will be agreeing a second health

:52:34.:52:42.

and social care emoji. There is more to this country than its capital

:52:43.:52:47.

north, raised in the south-west and north, raised in the south-west and

:52:48.:52:52.

I'm elected from the Midlands. Today the Chancellor... I will in a

:52:53.:52:56.

moment. Today the Chancellor is in Dudley launching the Midlands

:52:57.:52:59.

strategy. This follows the northern powerhouse strategy published after

:53:00.:53:02.

the Autumn Statement. I will give way. I am grateful. As he said, both

:53:03.:53:12.

he and I are Midlands Members of Parliament and can I say that I do

:53:13.:53:16.

welcome the focus on the Midlands in this happen to macro budget? There

:53:17.:53:20.

are some useful initiatives in there. -- in this Budget? Midlands

:53:21.:53:35.

Connect is charged with the East-West connectivity and it makes

:53:36.:53:41.

clear that the Midlands engine needs a long-term perspective with

:53:42.:53:45.

investment of ?1 billion per annum over a 30 year period to deliver the

:53:46.:53:49.

potential. What confidence can we have that the long-term commitment

:53:50.:53:55.

will be given? What the honourable gentleman refers to as a Midlands

:53:56.:53:59.

and rightly understands this is about the devolution deal for the

:54:00.:54:04.

region leading to an additional more than ?1 billion over the next 30

:54:05.:54:09.

years that can be invested in priorities such as transport

:54:10.:54:13.

infrastructure. I believe the right leadership is in place and that is

:54:14.:54:16.

what will happen and that is why I'm supporting Andy Street as the next

:54:17.:54:23.

mayor. Maybe that is what he was just doing! Joining in me in

:54:24.:54:28.

supporting him. This morning we publish details of additional

:54:29.:54:38.

funding for the Midlands allocated, money that will further unlock the

:54:39.:54:42.

potential of the region, funding infrastructure and creating jobs,

:54:43.:54:47.

much of it going to the Birmingham area for example. It includes ?90

:54:48.:54:50.

million for the North and money for the Midlands and ?220 million fund

:54:51.:54:56.

addressing pinch points on the national road network. The

:54:57.:55:02.

Chancellor has launched a competition for local authorities

:55:03.:55:04.

across England to tackle urban congestion and to get local

:55:05.:55:09.

transport networks moving again. If there is investment in our

:55:10.:55:13.

communities that will make a real difference to the daily lives of

:55:14.:55:15.

millions of people and countless businesses. It is an investment we

:55:16.:55:24.

can make precisely because of the fair, progressive changes we are

:55:25.:55:28.

making to the tax system. We are levelling the playing field between

:55:29.:55:32.

employees and the self-employed and 60% of the self-employed will gain

:55:33.:55:38.

from the reforms. We are continuing to reduce corporation tax on all

:55:39.:55:43.

profitable companies, large and small, so hard-working entrepreneurs

:55:44.:55:46.

keep most of the fruits of their labours. We are taking a number of

:55:47.:55:49.

steps to make business rates for error. I have never made a great

:55:50.:55:55.

secrets of my support for small businesses in particular -- fairer.

:55:56.:56:00.

Seeing my dad's shop struggle was one of the reasons I came into

:56:01.:56:05.

politics in the first place. The heart of campus communities across

:56:06.:56:09.

our country. That is why the Chancellor and I listened when

:56:10.:56:12.

concerns were raised over the business rates re-evaluation and I

:56:13.:56:16.

was happy to work with colleagues across government to secure action.

:56:17.:56:21.

The majority of businesses will see no increase in the macro even a fall

:56:22.:56:25.

in business rates. I know that if your rates are going up, it is no

:56:26.:56:28.

consolation to hear others will be going down -- majority of businesses

:56:29.:56:34.

will see no increase or even a fall in business rates. There are new

:56:35.:56:41.

schemes. The first is additional support aimed specifically at small

:56:42.:56:44.

and rural businesses losing some or all of their rate relief and as a

:56:45.:56:49.

result are facing large percentage increases in their bills. The

:56:50.:56:51.

additional relief will limit the annual increase to the greater of

:56:52.:57:01.

either ?600 or to the cap in existing transitional relief

:57:02.:57:05.

schemes, 5% in real terms in 2017-18. No small business losing

:57:06.:57:11.

some or all of its relief as a result of the revaluation should see

:57:12.:57:16.

its bills rise by more than ?50 a month in 2017-18. The second measure

:57:17.:57:23.

is the establishment of a ?300 million discretionary fund for local

:57:24.:57:25.

authorities to use over the next four years. Each building authority

:57:26.:57:29.

will receive a share of the funding and we will be able to use their

:57:30.:57:35.

share to deliver targeted support to the most hard-pressed ratepayers in

:57:36.:57:38.

their area. It will allow local authorities to more than double the

:57:39.:57:44.

amount they spend on discretionary relief in 2017-18. Finally, a new

:57:45.:57:48.

relief for pubs. This will provide a flat ?1000 discount in 2017-18 on

:57:49.:57:54.

bills for all pubs with a rentable value below ?100,000. My department

:57:55.:57:58.

will be publishing full details later but up to 36,000 pubs,

:57:59.:58:02.

approximately 90%, could benefit from the relief. The cost of all

:58:03.:58:08.

three models will be met in full with new money allocated by Central

:58:09.:58:09.

government. Recent consultations have shown

:58:10.:58:21.

little appetite for the reform. There is scope to review the

:58:22.:58:25.

formation process making it smoother and more frequent to avoid the

:58:26.:58:29.

dramatic increases that the present system can deliver. We will set out

:58:30.:58:33.

our preferred approach to delivering this in due course and consult on it

:58:34.:58:36.

before the next evaluation is due. In the medium term, we need to find

:58:37.:58:41.

a better way of taxing the digital part of the economy so on-line

:58:42.:58:45.

businesses do not enjoy an unfair advantage. It's another example of

:58:46.:58:52.

the way in which this Government delivers lasting reform alongside

:58:53.:58:55.

investment. It is the difference between a sticking plaster and a

:58:56.:58:57.

long-term cure... I will, of course. Can I ask him to address it briefly?

:58:58.:59:12.

The Chancellor announced a green paper dealing with unfair terms in

:59:13.:59:18.

consumer contracts. My honourable friend has looked at the

:59:19.:59:22.

difficulties leaseholders face. One way or another if they are brought

:59:23.:59:29.

into account, so unfair terms can be struck out and those who exploit

:59:30.:59:32.

these holders can be dealt with firmly? My, first of all my

:59:33.:59:37.

honourable friend, can I commend him for the work he's done on the

:59:38.:59:43.

leaseholder abuses. That paper is led by my Right Honourable friend

:59:44.:59:48.

the Business Secretary. It is lease hold and abuses in that area is

:59:49.:59:52.

something we are looking at and strongly considering whether it can

:59:53.:59:59.

be included in the green paper. Madam Deputy Speaker we are

:00:00.:00:03.

developing a whole new strategy to safeguard for the long-term. We are

:00:04.:00:08.

not just tackling the short-term, we are looking at ways to improve the

:00:09.:00:13.

system for many years to come. We are not just continuing to invest in

:00:14.:00:17.

world class services. We asked Sir Michael basher to look at ways to

:00:18.:00:24.

make it more -- Barber for ways to make it more efficient. Every last

:00:25.:00:30.

penny invested by any Government ultimately comes from taxpayers,

:00:31.:00:34.

from hard-working employees and fast-growing businesses. They can

:00:35.:00:38.

only succeed if we have a strong, sustainable economy. Without it

:00:39.:00:42.

there is no NHS. Without it is there are no outstanding schools. No

:00:43.:00:46.

social care for the vulnerable. No support for small businesses. We

:00:47.:00:49.

have all seen what it looks like when Government forget that. After

:00:50.:00:55.

13 years of labour rule their Chief Secretary to the Treasury said it

:00:56.:01:01.

himself, there was no money left. The Leader of the Opposition stood

:01:02.:01:05.

there yesterday and he made promise after promise after promise. It's

:01:06.:01:10.

Fantaty economics. Billions upon billions of unfunded and unatotable

:01:11.:01:18.

measures that will un-- un-- and unstoppable measures, that will

:01:19.:01:24.

unfold. We are cutting the tax burden. We are reducing the deficit,

:01:25.:01:26.

he wants to raise it. Government budgets are big

:01:27.:01:42.

complicated things. At their heart they are simple. If you want to

:01:43.:01:46.

spend more, you have to borrow more, tax more or cut spending elsewhere.

:01:47.:01:51.

Anyone who says otherwise is not being straight with the British

:01:52.:01:55.

people. There's no such thing as a magic money tree. Sustainable public

:01:56.:02:00.

services can only be funded by sustainable growth. This budget

:02:01.:02:04.

delivers both. The opposition would give us neither.

:02:05.:02:13.

In the heated interchanges that took place a short time ago I was

:02:14.:02:19.

wondering if there was merely a private fight or if anybody could

:02:20.:02:22.

join in? I'll take this opportunity to join in. Let me first declare

:02:23.:02:28.

that I am, I take a very different approach to understanding economics

:02:29.:02:33.

than the front bench has. And if the House will forgive mely

:02:34.:02:39.

take a couple of minutes setting out why I see things differently so you

:02:40.:02:45.

can better understand my critics of the particular issue. I am highly

:02:46.:02:50.

critical to an approach to economics which seeks to mimic the physical

:02:51.:02:56.

scientists and imagines through statistical means kit predict the

:02:57.:03:02.

future. Great economists of the past of different religions would have

:03:03.:03:10.

soed at this notion. When at random I open the budget for office

:03:11.:03:14.

responsibility economic and fiscal outlook yesterday, it fell open at

:03:15.:03:22.

page 45, which as I am sure you'll recall, on page 45, it has 3.8 of

:03:23.:03:28.

the effective exchange rate. If you look at that, as I see some are

:03:29.:03:33.

looking at the chart 3.8, you will see that although they can

:03:34.:03:37.

accurately plot the past and you will see wild variations in the

:03:38.:03:42.

exchange rate and very often the biggest variations are not to do

:03:43.:03:46.

with any economic decisions. They are to do with political ones such

:03:47.:03:50.

as the referendum. Look at how they are predicting the

:03:51.:03:57.

future. The future exchange rate, the OBR, is a perfect, straight

:03:58.:04:02.

parallel line to the horizontal. The only thing we know is that that is

:04:03.:04:07.

the least likely thing to have happened to the exchange rate.

:04:08.:04:12.

And so, part of the assumptions that are built in because of this

:04:13.:04:18.

approach make us highly vulnerable to miss-reading the actions that

:04:19.:04:26.

require to be taken. Straight lines rarely predict our

:04:27.:04:31.

human activity undertaking. Therefore it was with some genuine

:04:32.:04:36.

concern that the Chancellor in an opening section of yesterday's

:04:37.:04:41.

speech felt it important to read out spreadsheets and forecasts as if

:04:42.:04:46.

they were going out of fashion. While entirely failing to mention in

:04:47.:04:54.

any depth. He issues challenging the future of the economics in this

:04:55.:04:58.

country. It has been mentioned the failure to

:04:59.:05:03.

adequately address the failures of Brexit, which I will come to in a

:05:04.:05:07.

moment. Allow me to reflect therefore a little on different ways

:05:08.:05:11.

of looking at the economy. And I want to make three basic

:05:12.:05:15.

observations. First of all, the economy's not a machine, but it's a

:05:16.:05:19.

network of relationships amongst human beings. What do these human

:05:20.:05:24.

beings do and what do these networks do? They are built upon a miry Road

:05:25.:05:30.

of collective decisions which are affected by all sorts of I flunss

:05:31.:05:36.

and almost infinite array of influences. -- influences. Not only

:05:37.:05:43.

do we not know the degree, we cannot know the feature with any degree of

:05:44.:05:49.

precision, which detailed. That appear without any margins of errors

:05:50.:05:52.

suggest in them. But we know decisions are critical and I

:05:53.:05:56.

thought, how could I highlight the importance of that and things where

:05:57.:06:01.

the Government could do? I think the best example came to me yesterday

:06:02.:06:08.

when I know with many members I attended a demonstration by some

:06:09.:06:12.

women. Hooer are people who have to face making key decisions about

:06:13.:06:18.

their future. But this Government utterly disrupted the way in which

:06:19.:06:22.

they are able to make rational decisions because giving them

:06:23.:06:26.

absolutely no proper notice about the huge changes they are making to

:06:27.:06:31.

their pensions. So, rather than helping to get some coherence to the

:06:32.:06:38.

economy, to enable people to make as rational decisions as possible, the

:06:39.:06:42.

Government sections have disrupted that. They are disrupting the

:06:43.:06:47.

effective operation of the marketplace in that regard. They are

:06:48.:06:52.

not helping it. But and also we cannot ignore the

:06:53.:06:59.

influence of politics and economic activity and vis sister is a. Egg --

:07:00.:07:07.

vice versa. To ignore the ins fluns of political decisions. There are

:07:08.:07:11.

two points I would want to make about the effect of Brexit that

:07:12.:07:15.

should have been tackled. One is the disruption to the labour market

:07:16.:07:18.

which can occur because of the failure to guarantee the rights of

:07:19.:07:23.

EU citizens in this country. I'm pretty sure I am not alone in

:07:24.:07:29.

knowing people in my constituency who run small businesses. In one

:07:30.:07:33.

case I know a German couple. In another case someone in the creative

:07:34.:07:40.

sector. And the third example of one or two university researchers who

:07:41.:07:44.

have either already left or are preparing to leave the country.

:07:45.:07:50.

I'm most grateful. He and his party should be commended for raising this

:07:51.:07:55.

issue on so many occasions. It's the practicalities that concern me. EU

:07:56.:08:01.

citizens are extremely worried and distressed about their current

:08:02.:08:05.

position and therefore they need their applications processed. There

:08:06.:08:10.

is no provision in this Budget to allow for these applications to be

:08:11.:08:13.

processed efficiently. There are millions of people who are going to

:08:14.:08:19.

have to go through this system. I entirely agree with The Right

:08:20.:08:23.

Honourable gentleman. Indeed that is a great concern. To myself, as to

:08:24.:08:27.

himself and many others. And I would say it's not just about

:08:28.:08:32.

the efficiency of a system. It is also about the effectiveness, being

:08:33.:08:37.

able to make the right kinds of decisions in complex individual

:08:38.:08:41.

cases. And I've had constituency cases where people have been here

:08:42.:08:47.

for many years and are finding it very difficult to get applications

:08:48.:08:50.

for different things to be undertaken.

:08:51.:08:54.

My honourable friend is making a very good point. It's not just about

:08:55.:09:01.

individuals as well. The impact upon the local economy in an area like

:09:02.:09:06.

mine, which relies on migrant labour for the fruit picking and will have

:09:07.:09:10.

great difficulty if that labour is not available. It will have huge

:09:11.:09:16.

economic consequences as well as personal consequences. I thank my

:09:17.:09:19.

honourable friend for that. That is precisely the point that I am

:09:20.:09:25.

making. What is seen as a political decision to exit immediately has

:09:26.:09:30.

consequences for individuals that we value in our communities. That then

:09:31.:09:33.

has implications for the labour market. When you disrupt the labour

:09:34.:09:37.

market it has economic consequences. So, we can't get away from the fact

:09:38.:09:41.

of the array of influences that are coming to bear because of Brexit and

:09:42.:09:46.

this Chancellor felt the sensible approach was to utterly ignore it.

:09:47.:09:51.

Other matters connexted with Brexit as well which need -- connected with

:09:52.:09:56.

Brexit that need paying attention to. The Chancellor has said nothing

:09:57.:10:04.

about how he'll fill funding gaps whether for rural communities, the

:10:05.:10:10.

agriculture section. These funding gaps that are being created, how is

:10:11.:10:13.

the UK, how is the Government going to address them in general? They

:10:14.:10:18.

have mentioned one or two small instances where they said they will

:10:19.:10:21.

fill the gap. But there's not a general acceptance of that. Here is

:10:22.:10:25.

another disruption that's uncertain and they are not addressing that.

:10:26.:10:31.

So, if I move on to my third area of criticism, whereas the Treasury and

:10:32.:10:37.

OBR offer at different times a snapshot of the economy, people who

:10:38.:10:42.

might call themselves part of the classical economic tradition would

:10:43.:10:45.

see an important feature of the real world is how the market economy

:10:46.:10:50.

operates, which is based on a process of incessant change and

:10:51.:10:54.

growth. Here we see although the Government talked about some matters

:10:55.:10:58.

such as the report, the importance of research and development and

:10:59.:11:03.

stimulating innovation and the like, I don't think nearly enough regard

:11:04.:11:07.

has been paid to the importance of how we will stimulate innovation and

:11:08.:11:11.

by that process stimulate growth in the economy.

:11:12.:11:15.

So, there are practical implications to this view of looking at things.

:11:16.:11:22.

Policies that have happened in recent years of near zero interest

:11:23.:11:27.

rates on the part of central banks and an austerity on part of

:11:28.:11:31.

Governments, specifically protect one group of people while harming

:11:32.:11:35.

everyone else. They boost the prices of assets of the wealthy, while

:11:36.:11:40.

destroying the saving pool of those with modest amounts in the bank.

:11:41.:11:44.

They harm pensions. They penalise savers.

:11:45.:11:50.

These policies represent everything that classical economists have

:11:51.:12:01.

opposed. The further administration of what David Stalknan calls croony

:12:02.:12:07.

capitalism. Let me comment on some of the

:12:08.:12:20.

measures in the system. One of the things that struck me, I was reading

:12:21.:12:24.

an article in the Financial Times newspaper a few days ago, a friend

:12:25.:12:31.

of the honourable member in front, he was saying how budgets used to be

:12:32.:12:38.

supposed to be about tax and one of the things we have as we know in the

:12:39.:12:48.

UK, for perfectly reasonable historic reasons, we have animal

:12:49.:12:51.

must be complicated tax system. I was talking to a Treasury official

:12:52.:12:54.

weeks ago and he was telling me so far he had found more than 1100 tax

:12:55.:13:04.

reliefs in the system. Every tax relief provides an opportunity for a

:13:05.:13:09.

loophole. It is not surprising estimates vary between 36 billion

:13:10.:13:13.

and 70 billion tax gap in the economy. Giving the changing nature

:13:14.:13:19.

a tax system based on what happened a tax system based on what happened

:13:20.:13:27.

150 years ago? There has to be a time coming very soon when we have

:13:28.:13:31.

to look systematically at the entire tax system with a view not just to

:13:32.:13:40.

simplify it, but to make it fit for purpose for the types of economy and

:13:41.:13:40.

labour market we have today? I was labour market we have today? I was

:13:41.:13:44.

disappointed there was no reference to that. There have been excellent

:13:45.:13:48.

points already made about the problem of the self-employed. I will

:13:49.:13:55.

not spend too long on it. Let me make one point to the Government.

:13:56.:14:01.

Before I entered this Parliament, for 30 years, I ran different small

:14:02.:14:07.

research companies and the like. I'm getting paid latterly in the last

:14:08.:14:12.

few years, I decided I was going to take life a bit easier, sometimes! I

:14:13.:14:25.

stopped having a limited company and I was simply running it with

:14:26.:14:28.

associates and individuals and putting the jobs I found

:14:29.:14:33.

interesting. I applied for one with the Government and the Government

:14:34.:14:37.

said I could not be considered for the job unless I became a limited

:14:38.:14:46.

company. The procurement processes of the UK Government encourage

:14:47.:14:49.

people to do what they have said in this budget they do not want them to

:14:50.:14:55.

do. Not only... If you are going to move down this route of sorting out

:14:56.:15:02.

this part of the economy, might it be a good idea that the off practice

:15:03.:15:10.

what it is preaching and tries to sort out its procurement policy? --

:15:11.:15:18.

BOGOF practices. -- though Government. We have heard the

:15:19.:15:25.

Government making policy amounts and -- announcements were the labour

:15:26.:15:31.

market is like the inner city. My thoughts did not come to the city of

:15:32.:15:36.

Glasgow or London and how the labour markets operate there, I was

:15:37.:15:40.

thinking about my friends in the Highlands, knowing their reliance on

:15:41.:15:45.

the type of self-employment who do not have a choice, they cannot

:15:46.:15:49.

choose to work for other corporations that do not exist. They

:15:50.:15:53.

are a necessity entrepreneur. They do not work in one site. They have

:15:54.:16:01.

long travelling times. They also have absolutely none of the security

:16:02.:16:06.

people would have in employment. This government thinks it is a good

:16:07.:16:10.

idea all of a sudden to burden them in the way in which they are

:16:11.:16:15.

choosing, I cannot see how on earth that is going to get any support to

:16:16.:16:20.

local economies the length and breadth of this country. I think we

:16:21.:16:26.

need to see much more effective analysis of these matters. Of

:16:27.:16:30.

course, being a Scot, I am particularly concerned about the

:16:31.:16:36.

state this government is in, given state this government is in, given

:16:37.:16:49.

what we face in the future, if ever there was a bad time to make it more

:16:50.:16:53.

expensive to buy whiskey, this is it. Surely we do not want to start

:16:54.:16:56.

by penalising one of the most effective products produced in this

:16:57.:17:02.

land, one of the most effective ones that is absolutely essential, not

:17:03.:17:07.

just for the Scottish economy, makes a massive contribution to the

:17:08.:17:11.

economy of the whole of the United Kingdom. I know there are many

:17:12.:17:18.

people who want to take part in this debate. Let me finally come back to

:17:19.:17:23.

one group I mentioned before and that is the way in which I see the

:17:24.:17:28.

economy at its heart, this is about a collective human endeavour. You

:17:29.:17:35.

cannot understand economics abstractly, you have to understand

:17:36.:17:39.

it in terms of the effect it has on individual human beings and families

:17:40.:17:45.

and communities. If ever there was an example of how this government

:17:46.:17:48.

has departed from that genuine concern about the humanity which

:17:49.:17:53.

should be at the centre of our concerns about the economy, it is

:17:54.:18:02.

surely their malicious treatment... I think we have a long way to go. A

:18:03.:18:07.

privilege to be called in this debate. In all the excitement from

:18:08.:18:14.

Fleet Street, it would be easy to forget who it is about. Let me share

:18:15.:18:18.

with the house how many of my constituents will feel about them

:18:19.:18:22.

covered a macro budget, the schoolboy with a first rate

:18:23.:18:25.

technical education who will now have the chance of a better job --

:18:26.:18:33.

will feel about the Budget. The mother who knows there is a

:18:34.:18:38.

conservative Chancellor at the helm making the difficult decisions

:18:39.:18:41.

needed so her children have well funded public services and a country

:18:42.:18:47.

that lives within its means. For the hard-working people of North

:18:48.:18:49.

Yorkshire, this is a budget that delivers where they need it most. I

:18:50.:18:56.

am very grateful. He mentioned the schoolboy, but how does the

:18:57.:19:01.

schoolboy feel about an 8% cut in funding per student by 2020 under

:19:02.:19:06.

this government? I am not sure I reckon I is that figure. The school

:19:07.:19:09.

budget has actually been protected and what this government is

:19:10.:19:13.

consulting on and very rightly is the inequity in the current funding

:19:14.:19:17.

system meaning constituents in my area are worse off to the tune of

:19:18.:19:21.

hundreds of pounds per pupil compared to a very similar pupils in

:19:22.:19:25.

other parts of the country and I am delighted the government is dealing

:19:26.:19:29.

with those iniquities. Let me begin with small businesses. I will make

:19:30.:19:35.

some progress. Let me begin with small businesses. Given my

:19:36.:19:40.

predecessor Lord Haig was not well documented in these for beer, it

:19:41.:19:45.

will as no surprise to members that pubs are a cornerstone of my

:19:46.:19:50.

constituency's economy. Following in his footsteps is already difficult

:19:51.:19:54.

enough. But it is impossible for me to visit a public my constituency

:19:55.:19:58.

without seeing on the wall a picture of William pulling a pint with the

:19:59.:20:03.

landlord. Not only is it home to more than 200 pubs, I am proud to

:20:04.:20:09.

say it now plays host to the Campaign for Real Ale's 2017 pub of

:20:10.:20:15.

the year. The community owned George and Dragon. Just last Friday, I was

:20:16.:20:23.

delighted to be there when the landlord and his family and team

:20:24.:20:27.

received their reward in the loud company of everybody from the

:20:28.:20:32.

village. In recent months, I, like many other members, raised concerns

:20:33.:20:37.

that the re-evaluation of business rates whisked penalising small

:20:38.:20:41.

enterprising businesses like these. -- risked. I am delighted to say

:20:42.:20:46.

this was the budget of a Chancellor who like any good Barman was

:20:47.:20:52.

listening to our concerns. For the landlords, the jobs that depend on

:20:53.:20:55.

them, the communities that enjoy them, this budget's ?1000 business

:20:56.:21:01.

rates discount is something that will make a real difference to many

:21:02.:21:06.

pubs at a time when money is still tight. These are not only the rural

:21:07.:21:09.

businesses the budget will help. Across North Yorkshire, auction and

:21:10.:21:16.

livery yards have seen particularly steep rises in the business rates

:21:17.:21:20.

because of the idiosyncrasies of their particular companies that are

:21:21.:21:24.

not well understood by officials and the last re-evaluation coinciding

:21:25.:21:29.

with the disastrous foot and mouth epidemic. It is more than even the

:21:30.:21:34.

most ingenious civil servant could be expected to foresee. Auctions,

:21:35.:21:40.

riding schools, livery yards, they are particularly important to the

:21:41.:21:44.

fabric of the rule community. I thank the Chancellor for the

:21:45.:21:50.

extremely welcome creation of the new ?300 million discretionary

:21:51.:21:53.

business rates fun. -- rural community. It will put

:21:54.:21:58.

decision-making back in the hands of communities and allow constituents

:21:59.:22:03.

to benefit from the local knowledge of councils. I will give way. He was

:22:04.:22:13.

talking about pubs and I am a kid pub goer and I was in a pub in his

:22:14.:22:19.

constituency the other day -- Keenan. What about customers who are

:22:20.:22:24.

facing an increasing price of a pint? I am sure he will be able to

:22:25.:22:35.

say how much better off customers are having benefited from several

:22:36.:22:38.

years of freezers in beer duty. The other thing they will like to hear

:22:39.:22:48.

is the new duty rates for Whiteside and still wine to see what can be

:22:49.:22:53.

done to help customers of those alcoholic beverages -- white cider.

:22:54.:22:57.

I would be happy to share a pint I would be happy to share a pint

:22:58.:23:02.

with him next time he is there. I with him next time he is there. I

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will give way. I thank the honourable member. I have not

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but I recognise the benefits for been

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but I recognise the benefits for pubs in my constituency. The hats I

:23:15.:23:17.

could extend the question about the customers in the pubs, many of whom

:23:18.:23:23.

may be self-employed? -- perhaps. Have they reflected with him on the

:23:24.:23:28.

concerns they have about the proposed rise in national insurance?

:23:29.:23:35.

If she will allow me I will come on to that point later on and address

:23:36.:23:39.

exactly what she has raised. The last measure I would highlight in

:23:40.:23:45.

support of local businesses is the ?690 million fund available for

:23:46.:23:47.

local authorities to address urban congestion. Congestion is not

:23:48.:23:52.

something you would ordinarily associate with a rural idyll of

:23:53.:23:56.

North Yorkshire's villages and market towns. The residents and

:23:57.:24:02.

community there are relentlessly frustrated by the level crossing

:24:03.:24:06.

near the vibrant and diverse high street. The impact it has on local

:24:07.:24:11.

retailers is substantial. I have convened meetings of local

:24:12.:24:14.

authorities and Network Rail to discuss plans to alleviate this

:24:15.:24:18.

congestion and I very much hope the Chancellor's new fund can help. As

:24:19.:24:24.

the Chancellor so rightly pointed out, supporting our businesses is a

:24:25.:24:29.

means to an end and not an end in itself. If our children are to

:24:30.:24:33.

benefit from the more than 2 million jobs created since 2010, they will

:24:34.:24:39.

need the right skills. The 2.5 million apprenticeships created in

:24:40.:24:42.

the last parliament are a momentous achievement. We must also recognise

:24:43.:24:48.

that was most people think of apprentices as young people,

:24:49.:24:52.

16-19-year-olds, school leavers, they account for less than 10% of

:24:53.:24:55.

the increase in new apprentices. That means too many school leavers

:24:56.:25:01.

are still sticking with an inappropriate classroom education

:25:02.:25:03.

rather than a first-class technical one. The Chancellor's announcement

:25:04.:25:10.

of new T levels is a crucial step to address the balance and close for

:25:11.:25:14.

good the gap between the classroom and the factory floor for which our

:25:15.:25:18.

economy has paid a high price for too long. I welcome the new half ?1

:25:19.:25:24.

billion investment in increasing training hours, streamlining of

:25:25.:25:28.

technical qualifications, provision of high work placements and the

:25:29.:25:32.

introduction of maintenance loans. Together, this is a powerful package

:25:33.:25:36.

to help ensure parity of esteem between technical and academic

:25:37.:25:41.

education. I would also urge ministers to continue to look

:25:42.:25:45.

carefully at my campaign supported in the recent industrial strategy to

:25:46.:25:51.

create the Ucas style system of apprenticeships. The branded one

:25:52.:25:56.

stop shop portal would not only end the classroom divide between those

:25:57.:26:00.

applying to university and those applying for apprenticeships, but by

:26:01.:26:03.

bringing everything together in one place, it would help businesses

:26:04.:26:06.

connect more easily with young apprentices in schools. National

:26:07.:26:12.

insurance, like many of us on these benches, I have always believed in

:26:13.:26:16.

low taxes as a spur to economic growth. When a government inherits a

:26:17.:26:21.

deficit of ?100 billion, the greatest priority must be to return

:26:22.:26:27.

to sound finances and do so in a way that is fair. I believe it is right

:26:28.:26:32.

that those who benefit from public services make an appropriate

:26:33.:26:36.

contribution to paying for them. That is what this budget's changes

:26:37.:26:43.

to national insurance will do. 60% of self-employed workers, those

:26:44.:26:49.

earning less than ?16,000, will actually see a decrease in the

:26:50.:26:53.

national insurance contributions by the removal of the regressive class

:26:54.:26:59.

two band. The workers earning up to almost ?33,000 will be no worse off

:27:00.:27:03.

when these changes are taken together with the increases to the

:27:04.:27:07.

personal allowance. For those earning more, the average increase

:27:08.:27:10.

in contributions will be a few hundred pounds. It is right to ask,

:27:11.:27:19.

is this fair? I believe it is. Historically, different rates of

:27:20.:27:22.

National Insurance between the self-employed and the employed

:27:23.:27:26.

reflected significant different benefits and access to public

:27:27.:27:31.

benefits. But that difference is no longer there. Changes to the state

:27:32.:27:35.

pension which is partly funded by national insurance means

:27:36.:27:38.

self-employed workers now benefit from an extra ?1800 annually in

:27:39.:27:44.

pension. It is something they would need to save up ?50,000 foot to

:27:45.:27:48.

receive in the private sector. Self-employed couples starting a

:27:49.:27:54.

family can now benefit from almost ?5,000 in tax free childcare

:27:55.:27:58.

support. I always hear calls in the House for calls for investment in

:27:59.:28:03.

public services. Like this budget has provided for in social care. But

:28:04.:28:07.

those investments need to be paid for.

:28:08.:28:12.

HMC is losing around ?5 million a year from the increasing

:28:13.:28:22.

self-employment. It is right we make changes to ensure everybody

:28:23.:28:25.

contributes to the services we value. It is important that

:28:26.:28:30.

recognise that even after these changes the tax system will still

:28:31.:28:34.

recognise the particular issues faced by self-employed workers and

:28:35.:28:38.

it will favour them in their tax rates and treatment. They will

:28:39.:28:42.

benefit from a lower rate of national insurance. Still not bear

:28:43.:28:47.

the cost of employer's contributions. They will have the

:28:48.:28:51.

ability to offset losses and gains over years and they will still

:28:52.:28:55.

benefit from a more generous treatment of tax deduck table

:28:56.:29:06.

expenses. I -- deduck deductable expenses.

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To ensure those changes in the economy, in our tax system and make

:29:10.:29:16.

sure everybody is treated fairly. In sum, I believe this is a small

:29:17.:29:20.

change, that is necessary to protect the things we value and a change

:29:21.:29:26.

that is fair and proportionate. Now Madam Deputy Speaker, we have all

:29:27.:29:32.

learned to be a little cautious of economic forecasts, if the OBR is

:29:33.:29:36.

right the first to set their T levels will do so in a country with

:29:37.:29:44.

1 million new jobs and for the first time in two decades national debt

:29:45.:29:48.

falling. This Budget, like the ones before it is building a country

:29:49.:29:55.

where our businesses won't have to pay for the past and our children

:29:56.:29:59.

can look forward to a brighter future. Nothing can be more

:30:00.:30:02.

important than that. I commend this Budget to the House.

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THE SPEAKER: Point of order, Mr Jones.

:30:08.:30:14.

Yesterday in the regional newspapers there was a report that the Labour

:30:15.:30:19.

Party had, a malicious report, false - the Labour Party had somehow

:30:20.:30:25.

entered into an arrangement with the British National Party. This was

:30:26.:30:30.

raised in business questions by the member for pen tell. Having spoken

:30:31.:30:36.

to the leader in Pendel, no such deal has taken place, in fact the

:30:37.:30:41.

leader never spoke to the BNP in eight years and the Labour Party

:30:42.:30:45.

doesn't speak to the British National Party. These reports, they

:30:46.:30:50.

should be corrected. I wondered how best to go about that.

:30:51.:30:56.

THE SPEAKER: I can quite understand why the honourable gentleman wishes

:30:57.:30:59.

to make his point of order, but, as he knows, and the House appreciates,

:31:00.:31:05.

it is not a point which can be dealt with by the chair. However, the

:31:06.:31:09.

question he asks me, is how can he set the record straight? And my

:31:10.:31:14.

simple answer is, he's done so. And I am sure that his setting straight

:31:15.:31:20.

of the record will be properly recorded in Hansard.

:31:21.:31:26.

It is a pleasure to follow the honourable gentleman, the member for

:31:27.:31:34.

rich ond in Yorkshire -- Richmond in Yorkshire, my home county, to his

:31:35.:31:39.

Budget speech. The last time I was in his neck of the woods it wasn't

:31:40.:31:45.

to go to a pub, it was actually, as many of my honourable friends in

:31:46.:31:49.

this House seem to have done, it was actually to fight the by-election

:31:50.:31:55.

that his predecessor fought and won. And I remember very much wondering

:31:56.:32:05.

forlornly up a village with my then, much-missed colleague Mo Mowlem,

:32:06.:32:11.

door knocking in his constituent, doing the entire village and not

:32:12.:32:16.

finding a single Labour voter. I think the honourable gentleman is

:32:17.:32:24.

firmly there in Richmond, pending an electrical earthquake and of course

:32:25.:32:29.

they do happen. I was very disappointed with the Chancellor's

:32:30.:32:33.

statement yesterday. His first Budget I think did not raise nearly

:32:34.:32:39.

seriously enough to the challenges with face our country in these times

:32:40.:32:45.

of great volatility and change, which we must now confront together.

:32:46.:32:51.

We needed a wider and bolder vision. We needed radical reform to rebuild

:32:52.:32:56.

our prosperity in a post Brexit world.

:32:57.:33:03.

We needed a sustainable plan to deal with our ageing population and all

:33:04.:33:08.

of the pressure that that brings. We needed a recognition that we must

:33:09.:33:11.

recast our tax and benefits systems to deal with the world to come.

:33:12.:33:18.

Rather than the world as it was when Bev ridge produced his blueprint for

:33:19.:33:26.

a welfare state, 75 years ago. Instead we got a Budget which made

:33:27.:33:32.

no mention of the greatest challenges, no mention whatsoever of

:33:33.:33:38.

climate change. No mention of rising levels of poverty and inequality. No

:33:39.:33:44.

mention of public expenditure cuts stretching to the far horizon. And

:33:45.:33:51.

perhaps most surprisingly of all, no serious mention of Brexit.

:33:52.:33:56.

This was an occasion when the Chancellor ought to have set out a

:33:57.:34:00.

bold reforming vision for the UK. But he didn't.

:34:01.:34:08.

He left the grimmest news unspoken. Perhaps he hoped that nobody would

:34:09.:34:15.

notice it. On living standards, the Office for Budget Responsibility

:34:16.:34:18.

revealed something that millions of people in this country already know,

:34:19.:34:24.

that real pay levels have not yet returned to their pre-2008 peak.

:34:25.:34:31.

The Autumn Statement, revised down the forecast for real earnings by

:34:32.:34:35.

?1,000 by 2020. And this Budget does nothing to change that.

:34:36.:34:41.

This means that workers are facing 13 wasted years of lost earnings and

:34:42.:34:46.

stagnating pay under this Government.

:34:47.:34:50.

And to make matters worse, the Government's flagship promise of a

:34:51.:34:55.

?9 living wage, so called living wage, which in itself was never

:34:56.:35:02.

going to be enough has been revised down to ?8.75. The modest growth in

:35:03.:35:10.

our economy, which is at an historic lows, has translated into real

:35:11.:35:12.

earnings stagnation for the vast majority of people. And the fact

:35:13.:35:17.

that over half of the 13.5 million people who are now living in poverty

:35:18.:35:22.

in this country, the fact that half of them are in work is not a problem

:35:23.:35:28.

which the Chancellor troubled to mention in his speech. But it is an

:35:29.:35:33.

indictment of his Government's record and it is one of the most

:35:34.:35:37.

serious social problems facing Britain today.

:35:38.:35:43.

The Budget papers revealed that consumer debt is now once more

:35:44.:35:48.

exceeding its pre-crisis peak and it is this unsecured debt which is

:35:49.:35:52.

driving what modest growth there is in the economy. The Bank of England

:35:53.:35:58.

is right to be worried about this. But it didn't trouble our Chancellor

:35:59.:36:02.

enough for him to refer to it at all in his Budget speech.

:36:03.:36:08.

These facts along, Madam Deputy Speaker, showed just how much the

:36:09.:36:12.

Prime Minister's just about managing families are being made to shoulder

:36:13.:36:19.

the burden of a painfully slow recovery from the financial crash.

:36:20.:36:23.

Yet there was not enough help announced for them yesterday.

:36:24.:36:31.

On infrastructure and investment the reannouncement of the ?23 billion in

:36:32.:36:37.

the rather grandly named national productivity investment fund, which

:36:38.:36:40.

has been announced many times before, is to be welcomed.

:36:41.:36:50.

But at 2.6% of GDP it remains lower than the levels of infrastructure

:36:51.:36:52.

achieved by the last Labour Government and well below the OECD

:36:53.:36:59.

average. That's going to put us at a continuing long-term disadvantage in

:37:00.:37:04.

a global race in which we are more isolated and at risk than ever

:37:05.:37:12.

before after Brexit. On investment generally, Madam

:37:13.:37:21.

Deputy Speaker the office for budget response, shows that Brexit will

:37:22.:37:26.

depress investment going forward and uncertainty about trade aments will

:37:27.:37:34.

hit ex-exports. This is not a credible platform,

:37:35.:37:39.

Madam Deputy Speaker, from which to launch any serious attempt to

:37:40.:37:43.

prepare our economy for the challenges of post Brexit world and

:37:44.:37:48.

enable us to secure our prosperity for the future. And this is a Budget

:37:49.:37:53.

which continues to hit the poorest hardest.

:37:54.:37:57.

The red book demonstrates that the cuts to public services just go on

:37:58.:38:02.

and on into the future. We're told that the target for

:38:03.:38:06.

eliminating the deficit, which was originally meant to be achieved in

:38:07.:38:12.

2015 may now not be accomplished until 2025. That is a ten-year delay

:38:13.:38:20.

on the original five-year plan. The Budget documents reveal a massive

:38:21.:38:26.

20% cut in the funding allocated to local Government next year, down

:38:27.:38:32.

from 8.2 billion to ?6.5 billion. Now, this puts at risk services for

:38:33.:38:42.

the most vulnerable and threatens to ripple our social fabric ahead. 8%

:38:43.:38:48.

cut in education funding which will threaten to bankrupt some schools.

:38:49.:38:52.

Certainly in my constituency. The extra funds announced for education

:38:53.:38:59.

are ring-fenced for the Prime Minister's grammar school van flitty

:39:00.:39:02.

project. Once again some are left behind, while a chosen through few

:39:03.:39:07.

in certain areas get all the advantages. Once more, unmentioned

:39:08.:39:14.

by the Chancellor in his statement yesterday was a 6% real terms cut in

:39:15.:39:19.

non-pension related spending on social security. Which will hit the

:39:20.:39:26.

most vulnerable hardest. Now the pressures of our changing demanage

:39:27.:39:33.

graphy make it -- demography make it clear there must be urgent reform of

:39:34.:39:38.

our system of social care and social justice more broadly. The changes to

:39:39.:39:42.

our labour market, which are happening on a global, as well as a

:39:43.:39:49.

national and local level, and the profound implications of rapid

:39:50.:39:53.

technological change make it imperative we reform our tax and

:39:54.:39:56.

benefits system to make it fit for the future. We must be willing to

:39:57.:40:03.

look again at the tax base in order to guarantee real security for

:40:04.:40:08.

everyone in our society. Yet, in both these areas, this

:40:09.:40:15.

Government has been caught out by its cynical electioneering attacks

:40:16.:40:22.

on Labour. And its sib anial -- cynical promises to the people. In

:40:23.:40:27.

cross party talks following the Dilnot report on social adult care

:40:28.:40:32.

and agreeing a joint approach to the challenges we face, in 2010 the

:40:33.:40:37.

Tories cynically produced propaganda posters conseeming what they called

:40:38.:40:46.

Labour's death tax. Thus for short-term cynical gain they ruled

:40:47.:40:50.

out the changes we need to make as a nation so that social care can be

:40:51.:40:54.

put on to a sustainable footing for the future. They did the same with

:40:55.:41:01.

what they called Labour's tax on jobs, changes to national insurance

:41:02.:41:07.

contributions and in 2015, they even produced the Tory tax lock. A pledge

:41:08.:41:12.

which it has since emerged was manufactured to fill a hole in the

:41:13.:41:16.

general election grid and it has been described as, and this is a

:41:17.:41:20.

quote - the dumbest economic policy that anybody could make. And that's

:41:21.:41:25.

a quote by the Number Ten adviser who thought it up.

:41:26.:41:32.

She makes the point of the previous claims made by the Conservatives. I

:41:33.:41:36.

have the actual advert here they put out during the last election which

:41:37.:41:40.

make clear any rise on national insurance would cost jobs and hit

:41:41.:41:43.

hard working taxpayers. What's changed? Exactly and the point I'm

:41:44.:41:50.

making and my honourable friend will agree, is that by this cynical use

:41:51.:41:59.

of short-term advantage and the way they have electioneered on it and

:42:00.:42:02.

the way they have campaigned, they are actually making it much harder

:42:03.:42:07.

for us to make the reforms in our tax and benefits system, in our

:42:08.:42:11.

system for social care that we actually need to make as we move

:42:12.:42:17.

forward as a society. It is the ultimate in irresponsibility from

:42:18.:42:18.

the party opposite. Yesterday the tax lock was torn up

:42:19.:42:28.

by the Chancellor and he can dance on the head of a pin and claim it

:42:29.:42:34.

did not apply to class four National Insurance contributions all he

:42:35.:42:39.

likes, but that was not on the side of the bus. No one will ever believe

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a Tory election promise over again. -- ever. The Chancellor has learnt a

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tough lesson. If you want to be for the just about managing, you need to

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have all the tools of government available to you. You cannot tax

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lock yourself out of all of your options. And end up plugging the gap

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and social care by taxing the self-employed. Madam Deputy Speaker,

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they have been hoist by their own cynical petard. On the side of the

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house we are willing to work with the Government on both challenges I

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have talked about, social care and how to arrest the alarming rise in

:43:28.:43:33.

self-employment and the precariousness that brings for far

:43:34.:43:37.

too many people. Often it is apparent self-employment, quite

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often it is very low paid and precarious, and we need to enjoy the

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self-employed are properly protected with proper access to the

:43:48.:43:51.

protections employees take for granted. I thank my honourable

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friend for giving way. As usual, she is holding us spellbound with her

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excellent speech today. I just wonder if she would agree with me on

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this point. The former shadow secretary for the Department for

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Work and Pensions blamed the Tory manifesto for being wrong more so

:44:18.:44:23.

than the policy the Government introduced yesterday. Would she

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agree with me that perhaps both are a problem and both are things that

:44:30.:44:32.

clearly the Government needs to learn from? I agree with what my

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honourable friend said. I think we are seeing here is a cynical dash to

:44:40.:44:49.

make promises in the short term so that you can be elected and even

:44:50.:44:54.

more cynical campaigning on those promises and the hope that when they

:44:55.:44:58.

have to be broken that nobody would actually notice. But by their

:44:59.:45:04.

actions, they are making it much harder for us to have cross-party

:45:05.:45:09.

support on anything and they have also made it very difficult for

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anybody to believe any single one of their manifesto pledges again and

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they are increasing the distrust of politics. That is the legacy of

:45:20.:45:25.

their behaviour in these two vital areas of social reform and tax

:45:26.:45:31.

reform which are vital if we are going to prosper in the future. She

:45:32.:45:37.

is being very generous in giving way. She talks about the mistrust,

:45:38.:45:41.

would she agree one of the things people often say would be that they

:45:42.:45:47.

do not feel politicians understand the realities of life and

:45:48.:45:52.

particularly life for the self-employed? There are many costs

:45:53.:45:57.

on top of what you would normally expect in terms of increased

:45:58.:46:00.

insurance, difficulties getting a mortgage, things you have to pay out

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for. This government does not understand the reality of life for

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people who are self-employed. That may be the generous interpretation.

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There are other interpretations that are about this cynicism I have been

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talking about. The issue, really, is if you want to make a reasonable

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reform to the tax system and national insurance contributions, to

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take away the current tax incentive for either people to self

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incorporate or to be forced by real employers into becoming apparently

:46:42.:46:44.

self-employed for the tax advantages, then what you would not

:46:45.:46:49.

have done the reform like this, then what you would have done worse say,

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we are going to introduce these new benefits for them self-employed and

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we would then take away the tax disadvantages and the tax advantages

:46:59.:47:03.

of being self-employed. Finally, we are then going to bring forward a

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tax base and system which is much more stable than the one we have

:47:11.:47:16.

now. That could be supported. But it looks like they have changed the

:47:17.:47:19.

national insurance contributions to fill a fiscal hole for social policy

:47:20.:47:27.

and that is a grubby way to behave and it is in breach of their

:47:28.:47:30.

election manifesto. This is not the way the Chancellor should have made

:47:31.:47:37.

this change. I think, Madam Deputy Speaker, the Chancellor may learn

:47:38.:47:43.

about this time, and in this Budget, all we got was green Hammond, rotten

:47:44.:47:54.

eggs. It is a pleasure to follow honourable members and I hope she is

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not too offended if I say I agree with more Ofwat my right honourable

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friend from Richmond had to say. I always find the Budget debate... Of

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course. Just to reassure him, I would have been more offended if he

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had agreed more with me than with his honourable friend. It is good to

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start on a point of consensus at least! I sometimes feel that there

:48:28.:48:31.

is a parallel universe when I hear the leader of the Labour Party or

:48:32.:48:34.

Shadow Chancellor talking about the economy and I listened very

:48:35.:48:37.

carefully to the other side on The Andrew Marr Show and he was

:48:38.:48:46.

explaining... The honourable member was explaining the economy was not

:48:47.:48:50.

growing fast enough. In fact, the British economy last year and this

:48:51.:48:54.

year, the second fastest growing economy in the G7, despite the doom

:48:55.:49:00.

and gloom around Brexit. Actually, he needs to look at the very fax of

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the economy, as we are currently experiencing it. -- facts. He went

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on to say real wages of falling. I am going to talk about the cost of

:49:14.:49:18.

living pressures. But the official figures are crystal clear. Real

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wages have been rising since September, 2014, and according to

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continue. If she would like to continue. If she would like to

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intervene, I would welcome it. But otherwise, check the facts. Racal

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doubles of employment, income inequality, lowest level in 30 years

:49:41.:49:48.

fresh wave of investment since the fresh wave of investment since the

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referendum vote including a commitment by James Dyson... I will

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give way. I thank the honourable member. Would he also agree that

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whilst he may be able to cite selective headline statistics, there

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is a reality from our constituencies and perhaps he would also

:50:10.:50:14.

acknowledge the point made to meet by schools and parents about not

:50:15.:50:19.

being able to buy school uniforms, reliance on foodbanks, that is the

:50:20.:50:23.

reality we need to face? Those are the things our economic policy

:50:24.:50:27.

should be dealing with. I welcome her acceptance of the official

:50:28.:50:31.

figures, that is implicit in what she said. I accept the cost of

:50:32.:50:35.

living pressures, not least with inflation creeping up. Inflation is

:50:36.:50:40.

well below still the headline 2% target the Bank of England set. I

:50:41.:50:45.

will address cost of living challenges and what we should do

:50:46.:50:49.

about it. Living in the real world, the one thing we would not do is

:50:50.:50:54.

chased the socialist pipe dreams because they will do nothing to deal

:50:55.:51:00.

with cost of living pressures other than precipitate a lack of

:51:01.:51:03.

confidence in the economy and falling living standards as we see

:51:04.:51:08.

increasing unemployment. I thought this was the point on which she was

:51:09.:51:15.

going to intervene was to welcome the fact we have James Dyson

:51:16.:51:19.

investing in a new research facility in Wiltshire, Jaguar Land Rover

:51:20.:51:27.

investing in creating a new model to be exclusively manufactured in

:51:28.:51:31.

Solihull. Actually, this wave of investment is coming right across

:51:32.:51:35.

the country. There is, I think, a resilience in the British economy, a

:51:36.:51:39.

strength in the British economy, and we are seeing some fresh investment

:51:40.:51:43.

and into using us about the opportunities lying ahead. Having

:51:44.:51:47.

said that, I want to be very careful not to allow any sense of

:51:48.:51:52.

complacency to creep in. That is what this Budget was about. It is a

:51:53.:51:58.

package. I have never known a budget in my still relatively limited time

:51:59.:52:02.

in this place which has not involved compromises and that is the serious

:52:03.:52:07.

business of government, putting together a package. On all my

:52:08.:52:12.

numbers on all sides are quite quick to allow the positive stuff we like,

:52:13.:52:18.

cuts in taxation or extra investment, but we also have to face

:52:19.:52:23.

up to the difficult decisions. -- honourable members. In reality, when

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I look at what the leader of the Labour Party said yesterday, and the

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party opposite, why they are so unfit to govern, they are not

:52:35.:52:37.

willing to face up to the difficult decisions. I will give way. He talks

:52:38.:52:42.

about perhaps not being positive enough about it but a moment ago he

:52:43.:52:50.

tried to give a false impression of the inflation rate. Inflation in

:52:51.:52:56.

recent weeks has potentially risen to 3.3%. That is certainly being

:52:57.:53:01.

shown on the sorts of pressures constituents are coming to me with.

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Does he not recognise inflation is perhaps much higher than he is

:53:07.:53:10.

suggesting? I would love to have a good haggle over statistics. The

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fact he said potentially the situation is worse than I suggested

:53:15.:53:18.

suggests he does not entirely have full confidence in the intervention

:53:19.:53:23.

he was making. I am citing the CPI index for inflation which is the one

:53:24.:53:27.

everyone uses from economic forecasters to the Treasury to

:53:28.:53:30.

ministers. If he wants to use a different one, in fairness, it may

:53:31.:53:34.

be the honourable member who is trying to be selective. Let us look

:53:35.:53:41.

at what the Government proposed. We continued to cut corporation tax

:53:42.:53:44.

which is critically important not just for encouraging businesses to

:53:45.:53:48.

come here and invest, but if you look at the Centre for Policy

:53:49.:53:52.

Studies report, it is a good way of generating additional revenue

:53:53.:53:56.

because it is a dynamic tax cut. We want more revenue because not just

:53:57.:54:03.

to spur business growth but also to pay for that precious things we want

:54:04.:54:07.

in our society and public services and things like social care. That is

:54:08.:54:11.

why you need a strong economy and you need to keep making sure we are

:54:12.:54:17.

at the very most cutting-edge of our competitiveness in this country.

:54:18.:54:20.

That is where I'm afraid is the Achilles heel of the opposition.

:54:21.:54:26.

They have no sense of what credible economics looks like. I would be

:54:27.:54:30.

delighted to see the Government address the issue of business rates

:54:31.:54:35.

and the ?400 million package to ease the transition towards reform of the

:54:36.:54:40.

wider business rates system and in particular to make sure smaller

:54:41.:54:44.

businesses on the high street are not unduly affected or penalised by

:54:45.:54:49.

the changes. I know from my own experience of a particularly in a

:54:50.:54:55.

constituency like mine which is a constellation of towns and villages,

:54:56.:54:59.

with a very strong high street, but with a disproportionate number of

:55:00.:55:03.

smaller businesses, the measures we are taking to ease the transition on

:55:04.:55:07.

business rates are going to be very well received. We want to make sure

:55:08.:55:11.

the high street is able to compete with online businesses and I was

:55:12.:55:15.

pleased to see the Chancellor directly address that yesterday.

:55:16.:55:20.

From the measures to stimulate the economy and make sure we are at our

:55:21.:55:27.

most competitive, there are also the significant investments in skills.

:55:28.:55:31.

We have record levels of investments in our schools. We have seen fresh

:55:32.:55:40.

money allocated towards new schools and existing schools. The truth is,

:55:41.:55:44.

if honourable members on a thick, and I listened very carefully to

:55:45.:55:49.

what the honourable lady said -- honourable members opposite, and I

:55:50.:55:52.

listened very carefully to what the honourable lady said, we have 1.8

:55:53.:55:58.

million more children studying in state schools deemed good or

:55:59.:56:04.

outstanding. That is probably the accomplishment of this government

:56:05.:56:08.

that I am most proud of. How do we build on it? We want to make sure we

:56:09.:56:13.

have a new wave of grammar schools so the academically gifted, no

:56:14.:56:16.

matter their background, whether humble background, council estate,

:56:17.:56:21.

so that they have the opportunity to make the best of their talents. It

:56:22.:56:26.

is also about making sure the bright but not necessarily bookish have a

:56:27.:56:29.

vocational route through technical training to make sure every child,

:56:30.:56:34.

no matter what their disposition, but have talent, hard work, graft,

:56:35.:56:39.

got something about them, they can make the very best of their

:56:40.:56:42.

individual abilities and that is what was so I think positive about

:56:43.:56:58.

the package put forward yesterday. Madam Deputy Speaker, aside from the

:56:59.:57:02.

issue of schools and education which of course is important for Skilling

:57:03.:57:06.

up the economy and driving forward social mobility, making sure we

:57:07.:57:10.

build a vision of the meritocratic society and the enterprise economy,

:57:11.:57:13.

there was also many allocated, because we have a government able to

:57:14.:57:18.

take difficult decisions, to go into social care with an extra ?2

:57:19.:57:25.

billion, on top of the ?10 billion we will be investing in the NHS by

:57:26.:57:32.

2020. In my constituency, a classic Surrey constituency in the sense we

:57:33.:57:36.

have an ageing population, good news, people living longer, but

:57:37.:57:40.

there are health care needs we need to make sure we are able to cater

:57:41.:57:42.

for. Extra money going into social care

:57:43.:57:51.

will first step, there is a longer-term question as to to how we

:57:52.:57:55.

finance, but it was a crucial first step and I know when I look around,

:57:56.:58:02.

at the pockets of elderly poverty that I see even in a relatively

:58:03.:58:06.

affluent place in Surrey, how important it is that we get that

:58:07.:58:10.

support. But it is only there, because we have a government willing

:58:11.:58:15.

to make difficult decisions. Now the honourable lady, in relation to cost

:58:16.:58:18.

of living, I think this is a critically important issue to

:58:19.:58:22.

address. The reality is that it is this government that is raising the

:58:23.:58:26.

national minimum wage to ?7 50, it is this government that has taken 3

:58:27.:58:30.

million of the lowest paid out of income tax. Let us be very clear

:58:31.:58:35.

about this, the average taxpayer, it is the equivalent of ?1000 each year

:58:36.:58:40.

extra, in their pockets, that is the result of the difficult decisions

:58:41.:58:44.

that a responsible government is able and willing to make. There are

:58:45.:58:49.

further measures in the budget dealing with the tax-free childcare

:58:50.:58:52.

and the doubling of the free childcare for working parents with

:58:53.:58:56.

three or four-year-olds. I'm not sure that I'm illegible but I do

:58:57.:59:00.

have a two rod and a four-year-old and as a member of a two salary

:59:01.:59:04.

couple and team how important it is to make sure that that support is

:59:05.:59:10.

there and I will commit. There are of course in budget difficult

:59:11.:59:14.

decisions, and there are issues and points that I didn't like in this

:59:15.:59:18.

budget much. What the truth is you have to look at budgets in the round

:59:19.:59:23.

and in packages, and I have to say that I looked at the changes on

:59:24.:59:27.

national assurance for the self-employed, I'll be honest, I

:59:28.:59:32.

struggle with that. I am in the business of cutting taxes, not

:59:33.:59:37.

raising it. But the truth is, we need to know how we are going to

:59:38.:59:41.

fund everything that we want to do in the budget. And that is the

:59:42.:59:46.

challenge that any responsible government and any credible

:59:47.:59:49.

opposition has 2-Face. I think the advantage that we have is that we

:59:50.:59:53.

will have a separate freestanding piece of national assurance

:59:54.:59:56.

legislation and I know that the minister who is incredibly

:59:57.:00:01.

assiduous, and very attentive to the concerns that honourable members are

:00:02.:00:03.

raising in this chamber, wants to make sure that we have the package

:00:04.:00:08.

for the national assurance right. The Chancellor has raised the issue

:00:09.:00:12.

for the lack of parity between the way that employed and the

:00:13.:00:16.

self-employed are treated and of course there are advantages and

:00:17.:00:19.

disadvantages to both status and it is absolutely right to make sure

:00:20.:00:22.

that we have the right equitable treatment for both. I had to say for

:00:23.:00:28.

myself I do not want to see us penalising the entrepreneurial

:00:29.:00:30.

people in our society and at the same time I want to make sure that

:00:31.:00:34.

we have a system that is fair and I think we need to be extremely

:00:35.:00:37.

mindful on the side that we don't just satisfy the letter of our

:00:38.:00:43.

manifesto commitments but also the spirit and the advantage of having

:00:44.:00:46.

the freestanding legislation and I can see them on a subscription way.

:00:47.:00:51.

To make sure that we get the right balance on this sensitive issue. I'm

:00:52.:00:56.

going to make one more point, on the other aspect which again, I

:00:57.:01:01.

struggled with a little bit in terms of this budget and that is cutting

:01:02.:01:06.

the dividend for the income for savers, the truth is that we have

:01:07.:01:11.

talked a lot in this chamber, and in government, about the importance

:01:12.:01:14.

given some of the challenges around debt, credit, household debt more

:01:15.:01:20.

generally, encouraging people to save and I do want to make sure that

:01:21.:01:24.

this change, we are not going to send the wrong message, when we want

:01:25.:01:29.

to be incentivising and in courage in savers. I am very honest and

:01:30.:01:33.

upfront about the challenges but the problem is, that all of the things

:01:34.:01:38.

that we want to do from the extra money that goes into social care for

:01:39.:01:41.

the vulnerable and the extra money that goes into skills so that we can

:01:42.:01:45.

drive forward social mobility to the tax cuts on income tax, and, I want

:01:46.:01:52.

to welcome support and reinforce this government's inclination to

:01:53.:01:57.

face head-on difficult decisions and make sure that we get the balance

:01:58.:02:01.

right and not just have a budget which satisfies newspaper headlines,

:02:02.:02:07.

but doesn't stand the test of time. So the government has my support and

:02:08.:02:10.

I know they will want to look at the nuances of some of these measures. I

:02:11.:02:15.

would just say again in contrast, I was very struck by the speech by the

:02:16.:02:19.

leader of the Labour Party yesterday. Because, the truth is, I

:02:20.:02:27.

don't think there was any credible alternative put forward in that

:02:28.:02:31.

speech. It really rather felt like, tilting at socialist windmills and

:02:32.:02:38.

that the leave robbed the Labour Party was lost in a field ranting at

:02:39.:02:45.

the wind. -- the leader of the Labour Party was lost. There is

:02:46.:02:49.

genuinely no credible talented, that is what the public will see, a

:02:50.:02:54.

government bracing its love, taking on difficult decisions and they

:02:55.:02:57.

Labour Party under current leadership that has talked about

:02:58.:03:00.

?500 billion of extra spending that they can't fund. And they pay

:03:01.:03:04.

tribute for the honourable member for Nottingham East, the Shadow

:03:05.:03:07.

Chancellor who has quite rightly pointed out that in order to satisfy

:03:08.:03:11.

this spending commitments, they would have to double income tax and

:03:12.:03:14.

national insurance, no mention of that, doubling of council tax

:03:15.:03:20.

doubling of VAT as well. I'm not sure that the honourable members

:03:21.:03:24.

opposite RNA credible position to start picking holes in one or

:03:25.:03:27.

another aspect of the budget put forward by the government in the

:03:28.:03:31.

absence of a credible alternative. The other key plank of the Labour

:03:32.:03:36.

Party, let me give him his three points and I look forward to hearing

:03:37.:03:39.

his intervention. The other point is the whole concept of the People's

:03:40.:03:45.

squad to sit easing, that they should spend more money on the ivory

:03:46.:03:54.

tower socialist, that is the Robert Mugabe School of spending, and it is

:03:55.:03:57.

far worse than any of the difficult decisions that had to be made in

:03:58.:04:01.

this budget. And finally on the question of the alternatives being

:04:02.:04:05.

put forward by the Labour Party, the leader of the Labour Party has gone

:04:06.:04:10.

on record, and mused about the possibility of raising the basic

:04:11.:04:14.

rate of income tax by 5%. I have got the quote, I won't embarrass the

:04:15.:04:19.

honourable members opposite but honestly, of all the tax rises in

:04:20.:04:23.

the world to be contemplating, the idea that you would raise the basic

:04:24.:04:27.

rate is deeply responsible not just economically but socially. Why

:04:28.:04:33.

doesn't the honourable member talk about your manifesto rather than

:04:34.:04:36.

talking about our manifesto, what about the promises you have broken

:04:37.:04:41.

in your manifesto. Remember, that he is speaking through the chair. I

:04:42.:04:47.

thought the Deputy speaker was going to adopt the Conservative manifesto

:04:48.:04:52.

for a moment. But fortunately, she is has resisted that temptation. The

:04:53.:04:57.

truth is that the shadow minister has made that point, I have just the

:04:58.:05:04.

government that -- I have addressed, what the gunmen said and I have

:05:05.:05:07.

enthusiastically embraced it, but the truth is that the Labour Party

:05:08.:05:12.

is incapable of putting forward a credible package. And I would just

:05:13.:05:16.

say to the honourable gentleman, I will give way at a time of my

:05:17.:05:20.

choosing, not the Labour Party whip's. I would just say to him, if

:05:21.:05:24.

you would like to rise and explain how it would possibly be the right

:05:25.:05:29.

thing to hike the basic rate of income tax by 5%, I give way? I beg

:05:30.:05:35.

your pardon Madam Deputy Speaker, the bottom line is we should be

:05:36.:05:39.

talking about the broken promises from the Conservative Party

:05:40.:05:43.

manifesto, but I would ask, I would ask, wherein a national

:05:44.:05:48.

infrastructure plan urges ?500 billion of expenditure, some public

:05:49.:05:51.

and private expenditure, how are you going to fund that? I had to say to

:05:52.:05:58.

the shadow minister I'm not sure that it is incumbent on me to fund

:05:59.:06:02.

the particular commitments that the Labour Party may or may not be

:06:03.:06:06.

willing to make. The truth is that we had a properly funded budget with

:06:07.:06:10.

difficult decisions to be made. Investments in the right sorts of

:06:11.:06:15.

things, but also, I think he has had plenty of opportunity. I have

:06:16.:06:18.

allowed him to intervene and I look forward to hearing his speech. But

:06:19.:06:22.

the truth is he's unable to answer the question as to how it could be

:06:23.:06:25.

the right thing to raise the basic rate of income tax and again I would

:06:26.:06:29.

just point out that for an average taxpayer, they are receiving, as a

:06:30.:06:34.

result of the extension of the personal announce, ?1000 each year,

:06:35.:06:39.

extra. These have been properly costed, from the ISS to the official

:06:40.:06:44.

figures it very clear, raising the personal allowance, we are putting

:06:45.:06:48.

?1000 back into the pocket at the same time that the Labour Party

:06:49.:06:53.

think not just the Uber rich, we are used to that predictable bugbear

:06:54.:06:57.

from the Labour Party. They also wants. I had to say to the

:06:58.:07:01.

honourable gentleman having taken two interventions from him, the

:07:02.:07:07.

truth is, they will want to put taxes up not just on the super-rich

:07:08.:07:12.

but on low and middle income families and frankly, that is

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fantasyland. Of course I will give way. Guillem Akai thank my

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honourable friend, does he agree with me that the budget statement is

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not just about arcane statistics and numbers. It is about societal change

:07:24.:07:29.

for the better and did he notice, that the number of families where no

:07:30.:07:33.

one works, is at an all-time low under this government. So we have

:07:34.:07:37.

delivered economic stability and also very positive societal change.

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By honourable friend hits the nail on the head, the key things that

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governments will do is create the conditions for record levels of

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employment, real wages rising, inflation needs to be looked at but

:07:51.:07:56.

stable, carefully under control. Even on the worst-case scenarios, it

:07:57.:07:59.

would rise above 2% and then come back down shortly after. And the

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reality of this budget is that we have got a chance the com his team

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of ministers in difficult decisions, at a difficult and sensitive time

:08:10.:08:13.

where there is a degree of uncertainty, and coming up with a

:08:14.:08:17.

sensible, measured package. We have the Labour Party talking about

:08:18.:08:21.

printing money, ?500 billion worth of spending commitments, and we have

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got a government that is committed not to tilting at socialist

:08:26.:08:29.

windmills, by Raggi building a better Britain, from an enterprise

:08:30.:08:34.

economy but also a meritocratic society for our children and making

:08:35.:08:37.

sure that the most vulnerable particularly the elderly have got

:08:38.:08:42.

the social care that they need. Again, if the honourable member

:08:43.:08:45.

would like to intervene on me rather than chuntering in frustration, I

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give way. I give way. Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker, the honourable

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member can make up as many full facts -- false facts as he would

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like to. The fact of the matter is he is making them up. The honourable

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member should concentrate on his own manifesto, at least all hasn't

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answered the question, about the ?500 billion set aside in the

:09:17.:09:20.

governments national investment in plan. Where are the Tories getting

:09:21.:09:27.

the money from that? We are mulling over making up. Is. I think we are

:09:28.:09:32.

starting to get quite close to language that is not really

:09:33.:09:36.

acceptable in Parliament. Just to be aware of it. Has ever Madam Deputy

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Speaker I will be very mindful of your advice and I will curtail my

:09:42.:09:48.

speech, the truth is, budget week is the week for difficult decisions

:09:49.:09:51.

were government sets out responsibilities, will always be

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picked apart on whichever bit the media wants to pick apart but has to

:09:55.:10:00.

put in place a package, I commend the government for doing this and I

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know the ministers will be taking on board these things. But the truth is

:10:04.:10:07.

that the comparison between a credible serious government and

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frankly, a leader of the Labour Party, in opposition which has

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abdicated responsibility of coming up with a credible of the

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alternative is for people to see, and also the public at large. Steve

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Reed. Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker, you are here to see what

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the government has put forward for the country and it is the impact of

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that budget that I want to consider, impact it will have on my

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constituents in Croydon North. Like the rest of the country, Croydon is

:10:47.:10:52.

experiencing a social care crisis, I regularly have older and disabled

:10:53.:10:55.

people visiting my office to say that they can't get home care, they

:10:56.:11:01.

don't get adequate support, and local charities are coming to tell

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me that the money that they need, has dried up as well. Now after the

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Chancellor is ignored the social care crisis, in his Autumn

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Statement, you hope -- we were hoping for better and

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although 2 billion over three years is a welcome start it goes

:11:21.:11:24.

absolutely nowhere near resolving this crisis. These services have

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already been cut by 5 billion, since 2010. 26% fewer people receive help

:11:31.:11:37.

today. Even though there are more older people needing that help. The

:11:38.:11:43.

Kings fund projected 2.8 billion gap every year, by the end of this

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decade. But only 2 billion has been made available over three years. So

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all I can say to my older constituents and disabled people

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that come to ask me what the government is doing to help with,

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all I can say is that the Chancellor has responded to their plight by

:12:02.:12:04.

imposing yet more cuts. It is galling to see the Department

:12:05.:12:13.

for Communities and Local Government offering Surrey County Council a

:12:14.:12:20.

sweetheart deal that is denied to Croydon and people living in every

:12:21.:12:24.

other part of the country as well. It is not only sorry that has this

:12:25.:12:29.

problem, it is every local authority -- Surrey. I regret immensely the

:12:30.:12:37.

Secretary of State failed to answer my question about whether he knew in

:12:38.:12:43.

advance about the letter sent from his department to Surrey County

:12:44.:12:49.

Council offering them a sweetheart deal. We need to know whether he

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knew about it in advance of it being withdrawn because if he was party to

:12:55.:13:00.

it, the House needs to know that is how he is attempting to operate in

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his department, and if he did not know about it, the House needs to

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know he does not have a grip on what his officials were up to. We need

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answers and I am sure in time we will get them. Particular painful

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will be the planned hike in national insurance contributions for the

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self-employed. Croydon North is one of the most ethnically diverse

:13:25.:13:29.

constituencies in the country and unfortunately unemployment is

:13:30.:13:32.

particularly high among many minority communities. But their

:13:33.:13:36.

desire to work and strong enterprising spirit means many

:13:37.:13:43.

people from these communities set up their own businesses. Self-employed

:13:44.:13:49.

people work as taxi drivers, van drivers, hairdressers, plumbers,

:13:50.:13:51.

decorators, childminders, all sorts of jobs. They worked long hours

:13:52.:14:00.

often for modest pay. One in ten workers in Croydon are self employed

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and it makes no sense to clobber them with tax rises. They need help

:14:07.:14:10.

and support, not further barriers to work. What does he say to the

:14:11.:14:17.

respected Institute for Fiscal Studies and the much respected

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Resolution Foundation were they are today saying specifically on the

:14:23.:14:27.

measures identified by the honourable gentleman that they are

:14:28.:14:32.

progressive and they are ameliorating inequality in the tax

:14:33.:14:39.

system between people on PAYE and self-employed people? Perhaps the

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honourable gentleman's party should have thought about that before they

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stood for election on a manifesto that said no increases on national

:14:49.:14:52.

insurance contributions. Absolutely categoric. It does nothing for trust

:14:53.:15:00.

in politics when politicians say one thing to persuade people to vote for

:15:01.:15:05.

them, but once they are elected, do the polar opposite. You are helping

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to further break trust in this House and in politics will stop it is not

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down to the IFS, it is down to Tory Central office, the Prime Minister

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and the Chancellor, and there I say, he himself if he votes for this.

:15:21.:15:26.

With the uncertainty of Brexit, it is shocking the Chancellor had so

:15:27.:15:30.

little to say about Brexit in his statement, with the uncertainty,

:15:31.:15:33.

small businesses and the self-employed need reassurances, not

:15:34.:15:40.

broken promises. I will turn to those in employment as well because

:15:41.:15:44.

this Budget has very little on offer for them. Low pay and stagnant wages

:15:45.:15:50.

have become endemic. Most people have seen no growth in household

:15:51.:15:54.

incomes in the ten years since the global financial crash. Many have

:15:55.:15:58.

seen a real terms cut in household income. The British economy may be

:15:59.:16:04.

getting richer, but British working people are getting poorer. It is the

:16:05.:16:10.

only advanced economy where wages fell while the economy grew between

:16:11.:16:16.

2007 and 2015. In Croydon, average earnings have fallen by 7.6% in real

:16:17.:16:24.

terms. Today over one third of my constituents are no less than a real

:16:25.:16:27.

living wage. Where has the money gone? Who has taken the proceeds of

:16:28.:16:33.

growth? It is not the vast majority of people in Croydon or across

:16:34.:16:36.

Britain who work around the clock to pay the bills. It is the shrinking

:16:37.:16:43.

small number of the super-rich whose interests this government really

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represents. Wages are stuck, household debt is soaring, but the

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Chancellor had absolutely nothing to say about any of it. Is he aware of

:16:52.:16:59.

the Resolution Foundation's report out today which says the UK is set

:17:00.:17:04.

for the worst decade for pay growth in 200 years customer that is

:17:05.:17:09.

absolutely shocking but it is what we are seeing in our constituencies

:17:10.:17:13.

and it is what our constituents are telling us. -- in 200 years? There

:17:14.:17:19.

was a covenant once upon a time. People gave their consent to the

:17:20.:17:23.

system in return for a fairer award for the work they put in. There was

:17:24.:17:27.

an understanding that if you work hard, you would do well. You could

:17:28.:17:31.

expect a decent home, security for your family, health care when you

:17:32.:17:37.

fell ill or grew old. If you could not work, you would be looked after

:17:38.:17:40.

with dignity. Today that covenant is broken. The unfairness and

:17:41.:17:46.

inequality this government Stokes has bred resentment that has

:17:47.:17:52.

catapulted us out of the EU over a cliff edge into uncertainty. I

:17:53.:17:58.

cannot allow him to propagate this method. The gap between the poorest

:17:59.:18:04.

and richest 10% of our population was highest it has ever been under a

:18:05.:18:11.

Labour government. -- this myth. This government has delivered

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something never delivered in years of a Labour government, a national

:18:18.:18:20.

living wage to assist the poorest in work. It is this government which

:18:21.:18:28.

has absolutely divided the country. Different parts of the country from

:18:29.:18:31.

each other, communities from each other. A statistic shows how they

:18:32.:18:36.

have done it. The ten poorest councils in the country, since the

:18:37.:18:42.

government came in in 2010, they have experienced cuts 17 times

:18:43.:18:49.

bigger than the ten richest. If that is not divisive, I do not know what

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is. That is happening on top of the fact that jobs have been lost to

:18:55.:18:59.

automation, factories have moved abroad, British people have been

:19:00.:19:03.

denied the investment on the skills and training they need to compete in

:19:04.:19:08.

a global economy, and wages are stagnating. The Tories have made all

:19:09.:19:12.

of this was by targeting the poorest communities for the biggest scale of

:19:13.:19:18.

the cuts. They have put the greatest burden on the weakest shoulders and

:19:19.:19:21.

they have done it as a deliberate political tactic. I think the

:19:22.:19:31.

picture of doom and gloom is disconnected from the reality

:19:32.:19:34.

overall. Can he acknowledge at least the lowest quartile has had a bigger

:19:35.:19:40.

tax cut than the highest quartile? I do not think we need to hear

:19:41.:19:48.

anything about tax cuts from that side of the House since they have

:19:49.:19:54.

broken their solemn promise. The Chancellor yesterday sitting there

:19:55.:19:57.

proposing to raise taxes. The people on the other side of this House

:19:58.:20:01.

going to have to vote on that and it will be very interesting to see how

:20:02.:20:04.

of you follow it through and how many do not. The truth is the party

:20:05.:20:10.

opposite, the government, has divided the country. With this

:20:11.:20:13.

budget, they are doing absolutely nothing to bring the country back

:20:14.:20:21.

together. Thank you. The pleasure to follow the honourable member for

:20:22.:20:24.

Croydon North. Can I first off place on record my declaration as a vice

:20:25.:20:31.

president of the local Governors Association, given many of my

:20:32.:20:34.

remarks will be about local government funding and the services

:20:35.:20:39.

provided? I think the Chancellors when they stand up at the dispatch

:20:40.:20:43.

box have a challenge on their hands to balance the books in terms of

:20:44.:20:47.

taxes to be raised and money to be spent. Of course we have to take

:20:48.:20:52.

into account not only the budget announced yesterday but also the

:20:53.:20:57.

Autumn Statement which of course led to large elements of government

:20:58.:21:00.

spending being brought forward and we have to take both of those into

:21:01.:21:03.

account in looking forward to the year ahead. I do think there is an

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important issue that there is a budget that is announced at the

:21:11.:21:13.

dispatch box and there is a budget that appears in the newspapers in

:21:14.:21:18.

the days and weeks beyond and the test of a budget is often how long

:21:19.:21:23.

it lasts in terms of... Before people start to pick out the finer

:21:24.:21:29.

points. My concern, it cannot be said that the Chancellor did not

:21:30.:21:34.

address the issue of national insurance increases, he quite

:21:35.:21:37.

clearly spent a large proportion of his speech speaking about national

:21:38.:21:41.

insurance and the importance of balancing the position overall. I do

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think we need to look at this very, very carefully. There was a solemn

:21:47.:21:52.

promise in the manifesto not to increase National Insurance. The

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reality is I worry that the accusation could be made that it is

:21:59.:22:03.

a bit like signing a contract but failing to look at the fine print,

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the small print, that exists. I think we need to look at it

:22:09.:22:12.

carefully because I do think across this country there are many people

:22:13.:22:16.

who have gone into self-employment, on relatively low rates of pay,

:22:17.:22:22.

taking all of the risks... If I can conclude on this issue first and

:22:23.:22:27.

then I will gladly give way. Taking the risks themselves of being

:22:28.:22:31.

entrepreneurs, we want to encourage those people to be entrepreneurs, to

:22:32.:22:34.

invest in their businesses and livelihoods. I do think that we have

:22:35.:22:41.

seen, of course, a dramatic reduction in National Insurance for

:22:42.:22:45.

many of those low-paid people. However, I think the point at which

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people have to pay more is far too low. I trust that the Treasury will

:22:49.:22:54.

look at this issue and see if we can introduce appropriate tapers to make

:22:55.:23:00.

sure that those highly paid people who would appear to be abusing the

:23:01.:23:06.

position of having the opportunity of being self-employed rather than

:23:07.:23:13.

the lower paid people. While he very clearly outlines the issue of the

:23:14.:23:19.

Conservative Party manifesto, the media today on radio, TV and in the

:23:20.:23:24.

papers, they have given many illustrations of why people are

:23:25.:23:26.

happy with the National Insurance contributions. In my constituency,

:23:27.:23:34.

can I say it is also an issue? Many of my people are telling me they do

:23:35.:23:38.

not want it either. People who have had the system in place for a number

:23:39.:23:42.

of years and they want... Does he feel that the Government should

:23:43.:23:46.

review that decision? Could he confirmed that, please? I thank him

:23:47.:23:51.

for his intervention. I do think the Government has to look at this very

:23:52.:23:54.

carefully, to review the position at the point at which someone will be

:23:55.:23:58.

paying more money in National Insurance on the abolition of class

:23:59.:24:02.

two contributions and the introduction of class four, the

:24:03.:24:07.

increase in class four, I do not think the balance as announced

:24:08.:24:14.

yesterday is right. I give way. I am very grateful. He rightly

:24:15.:24:17.

highlighted the concern it looks like having to look at the small

:24:18.:24:22.

print, as he described. Isn't it worse than that, the small print

:24:23.:24:25.

came in the legislation after the election and the time the commitment

:24:26.:24:30.

was made in the manifesto, there was no small print? It was a very clear

:24:31.:24:36.

promise which was broken. Of course, I thank the honourable member for

:24:37.:24:41.

his intervention. He and his party are experts in broken promises. Can

:24:42.:24:48.

I say that it is important in this process but we are seen to be fair

:24:49.:24:53.

and reasonable and encouraging people to be entrepreneurs? That is

:24:54.:24:59.

the key element. Can I move on from that, Madam Deputy Speaker, to look

:25:00.:25:02.

at the funding for adult social care? The key amenities and local

:25:03.:25:05.

government select committee on which I have the honour of serving

:25:06.:25:10.

recommended the Chancellor bring forward ?1.5 billion to fund adult

:25:11.:25:18.

social care. -- the communities and local government select committee. I

:25:19.:25:23.

am pleased the Secretary of State confirmed today at the dispatch box

:25:24.:25:28.

that it will be added to baseline budgets for local authorities and

:25:29.:25:32.

confirmed the formula by which that money will be distributed. That will

:25:33.:25:38.

be warmly welcomed by local authorities up and down the country

:25:39.:25:44.

and indeed making sure that it is a continuation funding that is very

:25:45.:25:47.

much needed. I hope my honourable friend on the front bench will be

:25:48.:25:51.

able to in the wind-up speech clarify one or two points in the red

:25:52.:25:56.

book which are slightly confusing for me and possibly for other

:25:57.:25:59.

members, if they have looked at them. In the table in relation to

:26:00.:26:06.

adult social care at line nine, it talks about a spend of ?1.2 billion

:26:07.:26:13.

on adult social care in 2017-18 which is more than the Chancellor

:26:14.:26:17.

announced yesterday in his speech. I hope that can be clarified. Equally,

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on the table... Sorry, that is on page 26 of the red book. And on page

:26:27.:26:34.

21 of the red book, under the CLT items, the extra 1.2 billion does

:26:35.:26:40.

not appear to have been added into that table. It is not clear whether

:26:41.:26:45.

that money is ring fenced for adult social care, which I hope it is, and

:26:46.:26:50.

how that will be ensured it is spent in the wake intended. It is quite

:26:51.:26:54.

clearly something that was needed. I am delighted to have seen it happen.

:26:55.:27:00.

It shows the Chancellor and the Treasury are listening to concerns

:27:01.:27:05.

raised by honourable members right across the house. I'm equally

:27:06.:27:10.

pleased to see the additional funding that has been introduced for

:27:11.:27:14.

the National Health Service, in particular capital funding to

:27:15.:27:20.

provide the much needed A improvements so that we can take

:27:21.:27:25.

some pressure off the A departments by triaging individuals

:27:26.:27:28.

that turn up when they should have gone to the GP in the first place.

:27:29.:27:32.

That is quite clearly going to take the pressure off the help service

:27:33.:27:36.

and I think it is something that will be warmly welcomed across this

:27:37.:27:40.

country and I trust we can get on with implementing those capital

:27:41.:27:45.

schemes as fast as possible so that when we come to next winter, we will

:27:46.:27:49.

not get the same problems in a end as we have experienced over the last

:27:50.:27:53.

couple of years -- A On the STP funding a note that the

:27:54.:28:05.

Chancellor allocated an extra ?325 million for funding the STP

:28:06.:28:10.

programmes. However, the requirement is 9.5 billion and I just wonder

:28:11.:28:14.

where the extra money is going to come from, where that will actually

:28:15.:28:21.

be supported. It is welcome that we get extra money but it seems to be

:28:22.:28:24.

rather a shortfall compared to the actual demands that had been in able

:28:25.:28:30.

through the various different STP programmes. In relation to business

:28:31.:28:42.

rates, clearly we will all welcome the relief, and indeed, having the

:28:43.:28:49.

issue of a three-year revaluation instituted once again. The reality

:28:50.:28:53.

is that we have heard nothing else from this whole process, it is that

:28:54.:29:00.

a seven-year evaluation period is ridiculous and although many

:29:01.:29:04.

businesses across this country will be happy about the fact that their

:29:05.:29:08.

business rates effectively were frozen, for seven years, revaluing

:29:09.:29:15.

the businesses, that means an almost cliff edge. So I think

:29:16.:29:21.

implementation of the three-year revaluation is to be the right

:29:22.:29:27.

approach. I also welcome the issue, of the ?300 million for

:29:28.:29:30.

discretionary relief, to local authorities to grant on business

:29:31.:29:36.

rates. The only concern I have, is one, that we know large numbers of

:29:37.:29:40.

appeals against the valuations will be lodged, and then maybe that some

:29:41.:29:48.

local authorities will be hesitant about granting the release while

:29:49.:29:55.

appeals are going on. That has a big effect in London and other parts of

:29:56.:29:59.

the country where 100% of business rates are devolved, that can

:30:00.:30:04.

potentially have a huge impact on the income of local authorities. So

:30:05.:30:10.

that is my one concern. What we do need absolute clarity on, is what is

:30:11.:30:16.

going to happen about the billing of business rates, and the reliefs that

:30:17.:30:20.

will be offered thereafter because businesses up and down the country

:30:21.:30:25.

will be receiving their bills, not necessarily knowing what reliefs

:30:26.:30:30.

they will get. And in terms of cash flow there will be a serious

:30:31.:30:36.

concern. The additional money to relieve businesses, this increase of

:30:37.:30:40.

business rates is extremely welcome. I think once again, the problems are

:30:41.:30:44.

in the detail and we must make sure that the uncertainty that there is

:30:45.:30:53.

out there in business is resolved as quickly as possible. I thank my

:30:54.:30:59.

honourable friend who like me is the vice president of a local government

:31:00.:31:02.

Association and will he agree with me that in future the property is a

:31:03.:31:07.

case to be made for a regional aspect to nondomestic or business

:31:08.:31:12.

rates, because the difficulties that we are potentially seeing in Greater

:31:13.:31:15.

London and the south-east is not replicated throughout the rest of

:31:16.:31:19.

the country where we are seeing a reduction in the bills and that

:31:20.:31:22.

speaks to a need to look at London as a unique entity? I thank my

:31:23.:31:28.

honourable friend and clearly as we move forward, before we get to 100%

:31:29.:31:32.

devolution and business rates across the country, we have two resolved

:31:33.:31:41.

these conundrums. In the business rates income. Equally we have to

:31:42.:31:46.

recognise that business rates raising the order ?25 billion a year

:31:47.:31:50.

as a tax and so therefore, just changing, the basis of this, could

:31:51.:31:55.

be extremely cumbersome, and would lead to hikes for some businesses

:31:56.:31:59.

which would not be welcome as well as reductions for others. I think we

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have got to look at that in the round and make sure, that the new

:32:04.:32:09.

policy, and the consultation, that we are going to embark on, works for

:32:10.:32:15.

all businesses and all people. In terms of education Madam deputies

:32:16.:32:20.

Speaker, the 500 new free schools and the funding for new free schools

:32:21.:32:23.

will be extremely welcome. The reality is in my and across the

:32:24.:32:33.

borough -- my constituency, we have need for four new schools

:32:34.:32:37.

immediately. We have used every single primary school to expand to

:32:38.:32:41.

its capacity, built on every piece of land that is available to provide

:32:42.:32:45.

new school places, all with government funding allocated under

:32:46.:32:48.

the coalition government and that has been extremely welcome, but we

:32:49.:32:54.

still need additional schools. I am delighted, that a new faith school,

:32:55.:33:00.

will be opening soon in my constituency, based on the Hindu

:33:01.:33:07.

faith, which will be the first state-sponsored all through school

:33:08.:33:09.

in the country for the Hindu community and I think we will need

:33:10.:33:14.

more schools in addition. I do have a real concern however, over the

:33:15.:33:19.

principles of the fairer funding formula. The reality is this. If the

:33:20.:33:24.

money that is coming into the fairer funding formula is flat, and if some

:33:25.:33:29.

people are going to be gaining that other people are going to be losing

:33:30.:33:34.

and in my constituency, my schools, the current estimate is that 75% of

:33:35.:33:39.

those schools will actually see not just a reduction in real terms but a

:33:40.:33:43.

real reduction in the amount of funding that is available to people

:33:44.:33:48.

in those schools. They cannot increase the number of pupils in

:33:49.:33:52.

those schools, because the schools are full. And so the only

:33:53.:33:56.

alternative will be to cut staff and implement a worse service for the

:33:57.:34:01.

children, in my constituency and that is unacceptable. I placed that

:34:02.:34:07.

on record right now. I welcomed investment that has been made in

:34:08.:34:11.

skills and in vocational studies. For far too long in this country we

:34:12.:34:16.

have had a position whereby the academic skills have been recognised

:34:17.:34:20.

and applauded and vocational skills have not had the investment that

:34:21.:34:24.

they deserve. So I welcome what the Chancellor is doing in terms of

:34:25.:34:29.

making that happen. And using the funding to actually drive that

:34:30.:34:33.

process forward. That has got to be the right way, as we encourage young

:34:34.:34:39.

people, to develop their skills, if they have got academic capabilities

:34:40.:34:42.

that is wonderful and if they have got vocational skills, we

:34:43.:34:46.

desperately need them either in the construction industry, the service

:34:47.:34:54.

industries right across the board. I welcome the change that is taking

:34:55.:35:02.

place. I also I welcome the new deal on London devolution. I know the

:35:03.:35:07.

Labour Mayor of London has welcomed, the Chancellor's decision to

:35:08.:35:11.

devolved. I didn't hear that from the dispatch box at all from the

:35:12.:35:16.

other side, but clearly there is always a disconnect between the

:35:17.:35:19.

Labour Mayor of London and his own front bench. Clearly that is

:35:20.:35:25.

something that we warmly welcome, that local authorities and other

:35:26.:35:31.

parts of the country as well as London have kept their own business

:35:32.:35:34.

rates and have the opportunity to make local decisions for local

:35:35.:35:42.

people. There is a gap however, the Chancellor did not talk about the

:35:43.:35:48.

funding, place you regional funding. These schemes have been used right

:35:49.:35:53.

across the country for particular purposes, clearly we don't need to

:35:54.:35:57.

make that decision now but the Chancellor must consider this in the

:35:58.:36:00.

future because these funds are vitally needed right across our

:36:01.:36:06.

regions. Madam Deputy Speaker, I welcome the provisions on alcohol

:36:07.:36:11.

duty, in the main. But I think it would have been sensible for the

:36:12.:36:15.

Chancellor to maintain the position of not increasing their duty. This

:36:16.:36:21.

is something the predecessor will be warmly welcomed. Bah I do think, I

:36:22.:36:30.

do think that the cuts in beer duty that we have seen over previous

:36:31.:36:37.

budgets, have been appropriately done to encourage people to drink

:36:38.:36:41.

lower strength beers rather than higher strength alcohols, and I do

:36:42.:36:47.

think it is important, on tobacco duty which I do think is

:36:48.:36:52.

significant, I welcome the changes, I think he could have gone further.

:36:53.:36:58.

This is one of those. If they want something, if they want to increase

:36:59.:37:04.

duties, let's increase duties on tobacco. The fact is, it is a

:37:05.:37:09.

straightforward translation, that the less people smoke, the less they

:37:10.:37:12.

make a demand on the National Health Service. I thank my honourable

:37:13.:37:18.

friend for giving way comedies making a powerful speech and I would

:37:19.:37:21.

agree wholeheartedly, in fact I would go further and in courage to

:37:22.:37:26.

not only significantly increase the duties on cigarettes but also then

:37:27.:37:33.

conversely to reduce or insure, that they pin devices and heat not burn

:37:34.:37:36.

devices get a better hearing because by switching to those devices we are

:37:37.:37:40.

actually saving lives and improving the health of so many millions of

:37:41.:37:47.

people. I thank my flat and anything we can do which encourages people

:37:48.:37:51.

who smoke to give up has got to be good for the health and for the

:37:52.:37:57.

National Health Service. Before my honourable friend moves on, does he

:37:58.:38:05.

agree with me, that if you looks on the red book, there is only a

:38:06.:38:08.

commitment to consult on white cider and other high Street ciders, given

:38:09.:38:13.

the argument that they cause disproportionate harm in terms of

:38:14.:38:18.

policing, health etc, does he think there is a case for increasing

:38:19.:38:22.

duties on these high-strength alcohol products? I thank my noble

:38:23.:38:28.

friend and I think there is a quite clear position, one of the issues I

:38:29.:38:31.

would like the Treasury to look at in particular, is the differential

:38:32.:38:37.

duties, on the licensed premises, compared to sales, I think that is

:38:38.:38:43.

somewhere we could make quite a massive difference in terms of the

:38:44.:38:49.

way that we approach it. On tobacco duty, one concern I have in what has

:38:50.:38:53.

been proposed, is the potential to drive individuals away from smoking,

:38:54.:39:01.

shall we say normal standard cigarettes, to hand-rolled tobacco.

:39:02.:39:04.

The reality is it is likely that young people may be encouraged to

:39:05.:39:08.

switch to hand-rolled tobacco, that is even more harmful to young

:39:09.:39:12.

people's health that smoking cigarettes. So I think the duty on

:39:13.:39:16.

hand-rolled tobacco needs to be looked at as well. So we can

:39:17.:39:21.

discourage the position there. Two final issues I want to mention Madam

:39:22.:39:28.

Deputy Speaker, the first is, I was disappointed, and I will register

:39:29.:39:31.

this, I know my honourable friend on the front bench will know what I'm

:39:32.:39:36.

going to talk about right now. I was disappointed to not see further

:39:37.:39:40.

compensation for the victims of the Equitable Life scandal. I know that

:39:41.:39:44.

the Treasury believed that the scheme is closed. It is quite

:39:45.:39:48.

clearly closed to new applicants. But there is still the burning

:39:49.:39:52.

injustice, that those people that saved for their future, and future

:39:53.:39:57.

pensions have not received the full compensation that is due. The

:39:58.:40:02.

government I'm very proud to say allocated funding in the early part

:40:03.:40:08.

of 2010, and this will help to compensate some of the victims of

:40:09.:40:13.

the scandal, but there is still a total of 2.8 or ?2.5 billion that is

:40:14.:40:20.

owed to the victims of that scandal. The individuals are getting older,

:40:21.:40:24.

they are getting more vulnerable and if we give any money at all to those

:40:25.:40:29.

victims it will go straight into the economy because those are people who

:40:30.:40:32.

desperately need the money for their old age. And I hope that my

:40:33.:40:37.

honourable friend will look at this again in the round, I do stand how

:40:38.:40:41.

difficult it is balancing the books at the moment but clearly this is a

:40:42.:40:46.

debt of honour and as the economy recovers we should be looking to

:40:47.:40:50.

increase the compensation, not sane to individuals, that is it, that is

:40:51.:40:54.

all you again to get because I think we will suffer the consequences of

:40:55.:40:59.

peoples mistrust as a result. The final point I want to make is that

:41:00.:41:06.

over housing and I do think, the White Paper on housing has

:41:07.:41:09.

demonstrated large elements of what we need to do in this country to

:41:10.:41:12.

increase the volume of housing and I know that there was a great deal of

:41:13.:41:17.

comment in the Autumn Statement on funds for housing but there was no

:41:18.:41:22.

mention of that in the budget yesterday or further measures that

:41:23.:41:29.

we need to undertake. My Private members Bill is progressing through

:41:30.:41:33.

the house, and it is in the other place at the moment and I hope it

:41:34.:41:38.

will become law very soon. That is aimed at reducing homelessness in

:41:39.:41:41.

this country, but the most important thing we can do, the impact, is to

:41:42.:41:49.

build more homes. And I trust, that my noble friend on the front bench,

:41:50.:41:55.

we'll look at measures, will encourage local authorities, housing

:41:56.:41:59.

associations and Private builders to build low-cost housing, that is

:42:00.:42:03.

relatively easily affordable for the people of this country so that we

:42:04.:42:08.

can combat homelessness once and for all in a civilised society. Madam

:42:09.:42:14.

Deputy Speaker, this budget is one of those, that will, we look at him

:42:15.:42:15.

around. It is our duty as backbenchers to be

:42:16.:42:26.

critical friends of our frontbenchers to make sure they are

:42:27.:42:31.

keeping abreast of what is going on, particularly when the opposition do

:42:32.:42:37.

not seem to be able to provide such critiques of our budget. I welcome

:42:38.:42:42.

the overall thrust of the budget and I trust that in the round we can

:42:43.:42:45.

look at ameliorating some of the areas I have mentioned. I recommend

:42:46.:42:52.

it to the house. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I did not agree with

:42:53.:42:55.

everything the honourable member said but he did make some very

:42:56.:42:59.

thoughtful points and I hope that his Minister on the front bench was

:43:00.:43:02.

paying more attention than he appeared to be. I was disappointed

:43:03.:43:09.

by the lack of ambition in yesterday's Budget. We should take

:43:10.:43:14.

some consolation from the fact the Chancellor acknowledged the

:43:15.:43:19.

Government still has a lot of work to do and perhaps when we have the

:43:20.:43:23.

combined Autumn Statement and Budget we will have more ambition. The

:43:24.:43:28.

Chancellor talked about improving productivity and ensuring young

:43:29.:43:32.

people have the skills they need. I agreed. He identified some of the

:43:33.:43:37.

challenges but he sing elite failed to address Brexit, the elephant in

:43:38.:43:41.

the room in danger of trampling everything underfoot ash macro

:43:42.:43:47.

singularly. Bristol is a prosperous city with thriving industries and

:43:48.:43:52.

the only city outside London that makes a positive contribution to GDP

:43:53.:43:58.

and it sometimes means we are seen as having everything sorted,

:43:59.:44:03.

everything going for us. But not everyone is able to share in this

:44:04.:44:07.

success. We're working to make Bristol a more equal city and share

:44:08.:44:13.

the prosperity beyond the recently gentrified parts of the city, to

:44:14.:44:16.

work for people who have lived in Bristol all of their lives and

:44:17.:44:21.

people who have moved to Bristol because it is such a thriving place.

:44:22.:44:25.

I fear yesterday's budget made the task more difficult. There are more

:44:26.:44:32.

than 5000 children living in poverty in Bristol East, my constituency,

:44:33.:44:36.

last year. The Chancellor spoke yesterday of the dignity of work but

:44:37.:44:40.

the majority of these children are in working families. This issue of

:44:41.:44:44.

in work poverty is something that has been raised frequently in this

:44:45.:44:48.

House and it needs tackling and it is not simply enough to suggest

:44:49.:44:53.

moving people into work from welfare is the only solution. Universal

:44:54.:44:56.

credit cuts will make the situation worse. There was nothing yesterday

:44:57.:45:00.

in response to the Resolution Foundation's warnings that incomes

:45:01.:45:04.

will rise for high-income households, stagnate in the middle

:45:05.:45:12.

and fall at the bottom. Very few in my constituency are in high-income

:45:13.:45:20.

category. It will be the biggest rise in inequality since the late

:45:21.:45:24.

1980s, save the Resolution Foundation. I do not know how the

:45:25.:45:28.

Chancellor can lecture low paid workers about the dignity of work

:45:29.:45:31.

while watching living standards fall. Self-employed workers, he is

:45:32.:45:37.

increasing their taxes, despite them earning half as much as employees

:45:38.:45:41.

and having fewer rights. I grew up with a stepfather who was this often

:45:42.:45:46.

employed demolition contract. My sister took over his business when

:45:47.:45:52.

he died -- self-employed. He had a lorry. In all other respects, he

:45:53.:45:55.

fitted the definition of a white van man. As did virtually everyone who

:45:56.:45:59.

came round the house in terms of family friends, plumbers,

:46:00.:46:04.

electricians, window cleaners, people who did well for themselves

:46:05.:46:09.

but they worked incredibly hard and my dad did not take a day off sick

:46:10.:46:13.

not least because he would not have and any money. We went on family

:46:14.:46:18.

holidays and he not only had to calculate the cost of taking a

:46:19.:46:22.

family of eight abroad but he also had to calculate how much he would

:46:23.:46:25.

lose in earnings and whether he would have to pay other people to

:46:26.:46:36.

keep the salvage yard open. My three sisters, three of my sisters, I

:46:37.:46:37.

five, three of them are five, three of them are

:46:38.:46:38.

to grapple with the fluctuations in to grapple with the fluctuations in

:46:39.:46:41.

income. It is not easy to plan because you do not know when the

:46:42.:46:43.

money will come in. They have money will come in. They have

:46:44.:46:48.

additional burdens. According to the FSB, there are six and a half

:46:49.:46:53.

thousand people in my constituency who have to make the same

:46:54.:46:58.

calculation is but have the added responsible as he of extra National

:46:59.:47:01.

Insurance contributions. I had any mail from a constituent today

:47:02.:47:04.

writing on behalf of her son, a construction worker, she pointed out

:47:05.:47:10.

he has to buy his own tools, third-party liability, something

:47:11.:47:17.

called ACS yes card, he has to pay to travel to jobs and at the end of

:47:18.:47:21.

one job, there is a break where he does not know if another job is in

:47:22.:47:26.

the pipeline. Some of this is tax deductible, but not all. They are

:47:27.:47:30.

not the same as employed workers with the security they would have.

:47:31.:47:35.

She is making a very excellent point and I too know people in my own

:47:36.:47:42.

family and friends in the kind of job she is talking about. Is it not

:47:43.:47:45.

also the fact people find it difficult to get insurance against

:47:46.:47:50.

loss of earnings, as well as insurance for very high-priced items

:47:51.:47:56.

like tools, all these additional costs would self-employment that

:47:57.:48:04.

were not dealt with by the Budget? They are in a very different

:48:05.:48:07.

situation compared to people who have an employer who takes care of

:48:08.:48:11.

their needs. That is something the Chancellor's singularly seems to

:48:12.:48:16.

have failed to recognise. He is blaming the self-employed for not

:48:17.:48:22.

reading the nonexistent small print in the Conservative manifesto. In

:48:23.:48:28.

terms of what they said in 2015, it is a broken promise. She makes a

:48:29.:48:35.

point about her family. My father was self-employed when I grew up and

:48:36.:48:40.

we were in a family of eight also and I certainly was in a similar

:48:41.:48:43.

situation and felt we never had a family, our summer holiday was a day

:48:44.:48:50.

trip to the seaside. That is a reality sometimes of the struggle it

:48:51.:48:53.

can be to make ends meet when you take that risk. Does she agree that

:48:54.:48:58.

the added pressures when we are ready facing pressures on family

:48:59.:49:01.

budgets could be that those who are just about managing become no longer

:49:02.:49:07.

just about managing? I very much agree. I very much recognise the

:49:08.:49:11.

point she makes about the family she grew up in. Surely we want to

:49:12.:49:17.

encourage new people to become entrepreneurs, people who will

:49:18.:49:21.

strike out on their own and create thriving businesses of the future?

:49:22.:49:24.

Some of our most successful entrepreneurs started up

:49:25.:49:30.

self-employed and set up small and medium-sized enterprises. I think

:49:31.:49:35.

this short cited tax grab will deter people from doing that. Forgive me

:49:36.:49:42.

for not being here earlier, but for not being here earlier, but

:49:43.:49:47.

thank you for letting me intervene. As I understand it, this would be

:49:48.:49:58.

tapered. Someone below 16,250 a year in earnings, they will be better

:49:59.:50:01.

off. It is only as you get to the top end of earnings that this

:50:02.:50:06.

measure comes in. At the same time, it is not going to come in until the

:50:07.:50:10.

summer when we look at the national Insurance bill. I think it is as the

:50:11.:50:15.

bill goes through Parliament, we need to scrutinise the detail. All I

:50:16.:50:20.

know at the moment is I have constituents extremely worried about

:50:21.:50:23.

it and it is making them think twice about whether they should continue

:50:24.:50:27.

as self-employed or whether they should look for perhaps potentially

:50:28.:50:31.

less lucrative jobs but jobs that have more security at the moment.

:50:32.:50:36.

Would she agree with me that if the Government gets away with this

:50:37.:50:40.

proposal, it will be a down payment on more tax increases? That is

:50:41.:50:48.

certainly the concern and I think... The point was already made, if you

:50:49.:50:54.

cannot trust the government on this, people will think they cannot trust

:50:55.:50:57.

the Government on anything in terms of the future economic security. I

:50:58.:51:01.

think the honourable lady is making a typical lucid point in her speech

:51:02.:51:08.

but isn't it incumbent on her, given there is a broad consensus we need

:51:09.:51:12.

to fund social care better, extra 2 billion the Chancellor announced,

:51:13.:51:16.

that it is incumbent upon her party to identify where the money would

:51:17.:51:21.

come from and if she does not want it to be raised from National

:51:22.:51:25.

Insurance contributions, where else will it come from? It leads me

:51:26.:51:28.

nicely to my next point which is that the Chancellor would claim the

:51:29.:51:34.

Government has no choice but to raise national insurance

:51:35.:51:37.

contributions. But he has somehow managed to find ?70 billion in tax

:51:38.:51:41.

cuts for the rich corporations including ?1 billion for the

:51:42.:51:45.

Government's that concern, inheritance tax will stop I pay

:51:46.:51:49.

tribute my honourable friend the member for Leeds West for her work

:51:50.:51:53.

on this. From next month, the threshold for a couple will start to

:51:54.:51:58.

rise to 1 million, from the 650,000 it is at the moment. In my

:51:59.:52:04.

constituency, over the last two years, 17 homes sold for more than

:52:05.:52:08.

650,000. Not all of those would have been subject to inheritance tax. My

:52:09.:52:12.

constituents are paying the price for a tax cut that will benefit only

:52:13.:52:24.

low .0 -- only 0.04% of people. The Chancellor also managed to find

:52:25.:52:27.

funding for the Primus's grammar school project, despite a dearth of

:52:28.:52:31.

evidence to support the policy. It baffles me why he thinks this is

:52:32.:52:34.

more important than helping the schools we have at the moment facing

:52:35.:52:39.

a ?3 billion shortfall. What good will new grammar schools do to

:52:40.:52:44.

children and teachers at Bristol met where half of the pupils have free

:52:45.:52:49.

school meals but the funding is being cut by 21%? Or at a primary

:52:50.:52:54.

which has seen a 16% cut in pupil funding between 20-13 - 14, I could

:52:55.:53:06.

go on... The Government's chaotic approach to children's education is

:53:07.:53:11.

emblematic of a budget incapable of long-term planning. The funding is

:53:12.:53:14.

there when the Government wants it to be but not when people need it to

:53:15.:53:20.

be. The Government also seems incapable of looking beyond the

:53:21.:53:24.

short-term, incapable of recognising cuts have consequences. Ministers

:53:25.:53:29.

are denying 18-21 -year-old 's housing benefit but if just 140

:53:30.:53:32.

young people are pushed onto the streets, that policy will cost the

:53:33.:53:37.

government more than it saves. The charity estimates nine dozen young

:53:38.:53:41.

people will be put at risk of homelessness by this policy. It is

:53:42.:53:45.

not just short-sighted, it is, if Madam Deputy Speaker permits me to

:53:46.:53:50.

use the word, it is gross stupidity on the Government's part, to higher

:53:51.:53:54.

cost just for the sake of making very short-term savings. I have

:53:55.:53:59.

referred to the success of Bristol as a sit -- a city but there is a

:54:00.:54:09.

boom in housing market. Tenants have to pay 64% of their disposable

:54:10.:54:14.

income on rent on average. The May has created a housing delivery team

:54:15.:54:20.

and they have been working hard on the issue to get more affordable

:54:21.:54:24.

housing built -- mayor. Finding temporary beds for the homeless. It

:54:25.:54:28.

will not be helped by cuts to housing benefit and the Minister's

:54:29.:54:33.

pre-op vacation with million pound houses -- preoccupation. It is not

:54:34.:54:40.

enough just to devolve responsibility is, the resources has

:54:41.:54:43.

to come with it if he is to do what he is being asked to do. As I have

:54:44.:54:50.

said, it is not just on housing, it is also social care, public health,

:54:51.:54:55.

tax increases, funding cuts. The Government's instinct is to pass the

:54:56.:55:00.

buck to local authorities. Bristol's funding has fallen over the past six

:55:01.:55:04.

years. Over the next five years, we are facing ?104 million funding gap

:55:05.:55:13.

as costs rise. A further 30% cuts to the budgets just ministers are

:55:14.:55:16.

oblivious to the difficult decisions councils are having to make. There

:55:17.:55:21.

is no recognition of the long-term costs of neglecting infrastructure

:55:22.:55:25.

and key services. A temporary sticking plaster next year will not

:55:26.:55:29.

rescue the social care system or will ease the burden on council

:55:30.:55:34.

services. The situation will only get worse with Brexit. Bristol City

:55:35.:55:38.

Council received ?22 million of EU funding in the ten years up to ten

:55:39.:55:43.

to 15. The city's two universities receive up to ?20 million a year

:55:44.:55:47.

from EU sources. I pay tribute to the member for Bristol West for the

:55:48.:55:55.

work she is doing with universities. The investment bank has facilitated

:55:56.:56:05.

the council's energy company. The Chancellor claimed there would be no

:56:06.:56:11.

complacency but nor is there any strategy. The Government has no clue

:56:12.:56:15.

as to what will replace this EU investment or how to guarantee

:56:16.:56:20.

exports market. Blithely pretending everything will be fine and dandy is

:56:21.:56:24.

not a legitimate plan. Ministers are rushing headlong into a hard Brexit,

:56:25.:56:30.

ignoring how trade with the EU is a major driving force for the economy.

:56:31.:56:35.

Turning us into a bargain basement tax haven may be what some ministers

:56:36.:56:39.

have always wanted but it is not what Bristol or the country needs.

:56:40.:56:42.

The Chancellor boasted of infrastructure projects but my

:56:43.:56:46.

constituents are fed up with broken promises and bad management. We have

:56:47.:56:50.

Intuit disruption because of the electrification of the great Western

:56:51.:56:53.

line and the taxpayer has had to cope with spiralling costs. The

:56:54.:56:57.

programme has been delayed indefinitely at a cost of ?330

:56:58.:57:05.

million. People in Bristol do not know if they will ever see the

:57:06.:57:07.

benefit when we have already paid the price. Time and again ministers

:57:08.:57:10.

do not bother to consider the bigger picture. Environmental regulation is

:57:11.:57:13.

dismissed as red tape. I have given up hoping that some members opposite

:57:14.:57:21.

will see the environmental necessity of green clap, apologies again,

:57:22.:57:28.

Madam Deputy Speaker. They have taken a half-hearted approach with

:57:29.:57:33.

the work despite the potential to create half a million jobs and

:57:34.:57:37.

support a genuinely forward-thinking industrial strategy, one that is fit

:57:38.:57:43.

for the future. The Chancellor promised skilled jobs and meaningful

:57:44.:57:47.

trading. I hope he will go back to his colleagues and look at how a

:57:48.:57:51.

genuine focus on the green economy can support this and ensure Britain

:57:52.:57:57.

is a world leading to reassure me this government is capable of

:57:58.:58:00.

working with cities like Bristol to help everyone achieve their full

:58:01.:58:01.

potential. It is a pleasure to follow my

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honourable member for Bristol East. I should say I'm still an elected

:58:12.:58:16.

councillor in the London Borough of Redbridge, like semi-others, I am an

:58:17.:58:20.

Henri vice president of the local government Association. And also by

:58:21.:58:27.

way, I'm sorry that I wasn't able to be here at the beginning of the

:58:28.:58:31.

debate. All of the speeches made by the Shadow Chancellor and the

:58:32.:58:35.

Secretary of State business, I've will show had to attend extra Aubrey

:58:36.:58:38.

meeting of the Treasury committee and I'm grateful to you and your

:58:39.:58:42.

predecessors in the chair for indulging me in that today.

:58:43.:58:46.

Yesterday we learned that the Chancellor had a sense of humour but

:58:47.:58:50.

by the time he sat down my constituents the country at large

:58:51.:58:53.

had very little to laugh about, in fact I would wager a bet that the

:58:54.:58:56.

Chancellor himself was not laughing when he read this morning 's

:58:57.:59:00.

newspapers. It has been striking this afternoon that there are more

:59:01.:59:03.

opposition speakers than there are speakers from the governing benches.

:59:04.:59:08.

Presumably because so few Tory MPs were willing to turn up to defend

:59:09.:59:12.

the Chancellor's budget. Abe Ajit balanced on the back of the

:59:13.:59:15.

self-employed, failing to address the big challenges for schools and

:59:16.:59:19.

hospitals and a budget that failed to prepare Britain for Brexit. Madam

:59:20.:59:23.

Deputy Speaker this was a budget that was bad for business.

:59:24.:59:27.

High-street businesses clobbered by business rates, small businesses

:59:28.:59:31.

burdens by reporting to HMRC even when they are not liable for the 80

:59:32.:59:36.

and the self-employed, saddled with higher national insurance even and

:59:37.:59:41.

they earn as little as 16,000 ?250 per year. These were the people that

:59:42.:59:44.

I was sent to parliament to represent. The shopkeepers in

:59:45.:59:48.

Barkingside and Woodford who kept their businesses going even as other

:59:49.:59:52.

shops on the high Street were boarded up during the recession. All

:59:53.:59:57.

those who were brave enough to take the plunge even as the high-street

:59:58.:00:02.

was plagued by recession. The family businesses wondering if they will be

:00:03.:00:06.

able to pass on their phones to the next generation because times are

:00:07.:00:08.

increasingly tough and they worry about the long-term future of the

:00:09.:00:12.

family trade. The self-employed you take the risk by taking the plunge

:00:13.:00:16.

and going it alone, taking an idea and turning it into a profit. This

:00:17.:00:21.

was a budget that hits the traditional economy of a high Street

:00:22.:00:27.

and the economy of the entrepreneurs. Good for accountants

:00:28.:00:30.

and bad for small businesses. No wonder this morning Madam Deputy

:00:31.:00:34.

Speaker so many people woke up to read the papers wondering why on

:00:35.:00:38.

earth are Tory Chancellor would want to attack enterprise,

:00:39.:00:41.

entrepreneurialism and aspiration. I know the Chancellor has said this is

:00:42.:00:45.

an issue of fairness and policy wonks in the Treasury and even

:00:46.:00:47.

elsewhere in the world of think tanks will argue, that Nash

:00:48.:00:54.

insurance is progressive. It is a powerful reminder of what happens

:00:55.:00:57.

when people who understand spreadsheets fail to understand the

:00:58.:01:03.

real economy. Take London taxi drivers, the National careers

:01:04.:01:08.

service website suggest they can and between ?14,000 Iran ?20,000 here

:01:09.:01:11.

and I suppose in a good year if they're willing to put in as they

:01:12.:01:15.

often do these days excessive hours, working the streets, they may earn

:01:16.:01:19.

slightly more. These are the people who have seen the triple whammy,

:01:20.:01:25.

rising costs, increasing congestion and unfair competition. Is it

:01:26.:01:29.

progressive to ask taxi drivers already struggling to pay the bills

:01:30.:01:34.

to pay an extra ?240 year in national insurance? Is it

:01:35.:01:38.

progressive to ask the young tech of and are starting out to find an

:01:39.:01:43.

extra 2030 or ?45 a month in the early careers. Is it really fair to

:01:44.:01:48.

us people who receive no holiday pended for job security and the

:01:49.:01:52.

everyday pressures to bring bacon home, to pay more to the Chancellor

:01:53.:01:56.

when it is small change for him and a big deal for him. And why is it. I

:01:57.:02:04.

will give way. Darcy like me welcome the improvement in the pensions --

:02:05.:02:11.

the pensions. An improvement worth 1800 year which if you bought it

:02:12.:02:15.

would be ?50,000. It is not all one-way. There have been

:02:16.:02:19.

improvements in the margins for sure, but that does not compensate,

:02:20.:02:26.

for the loss of earnings that people earning low to medium incomes will

:02:27.:02:29.

fuel as a result of the decision taken by the Chancellor in this

:02:30.:02:35.

budget. I thank my wobble friend for making way, point I would taxi

:02:36.:02:39.

drivers drivers I would wholeheartedly in two. I have had a

:02:40.:02:47.

very similar spreads and would he not agree with me that it is not

:02:48.:02:50.

only the cost he has mentioned but the additional charges, and of

:02:51.:02:56.

course also the rise in prices at the pump. I wholeheartedly agree

:02:57.:03:00.

with my honourable friend, in fact there are more than 10,000 people in

:03:01.:03:05.

my constituency who are self-employed and as my honourable

:03:06.:03:07.

friend the member for Bristol East White

:03:08.:03:11.

that are quite rightly pointed out, they have a range of additional cost

:03:12.:03:16.

and very few employment rights and protections. Why is it that these

:03:17.:03:21.

are the people that have been targeted by the Chancellor in this

:03:22.:03:25.

budget? While I am on the point of asking questions about priorities,

:03:26.:03:30.

why is it that tax giveaways, like a car to inheritance tax for the

:03:31.:03:35.

26,000 wealthy estates across the country can always be found by a

:03:36.:03:39.

Tory Chancellor, at the expense of the strivers, the makers, the

:03:40.:03:44.

builders, in this case Britain's 5 million self-employed. I thank the

:03:45.:03:53.

honourable gentleman, while we are on the subject of questions, is he

:03:54.:03:57.

embarrassed that it is a concerted government that has brought about a

:03:58.:04:02.

situation where 1% of taxpayers are funding 27% of tax revenues. And at

:04:03.:04:06.

the same time we have got a situation where ?140 billion in the

:04:07.:04:10.

last seven years of uncollected taxes which is party did nothing

:04:11.:04:14.

about in government has been collected to fund the public

:04:15.:04:18.

services. What is embarrassing about one of the richest economies in the

:04:19.:04:21.

world is that when you look at the distribution analysis published by

:04:22.:04:24.

the Treasury alongside this budget, it is very clear, the picture that

:04:25.:04:29.

plays out across this parliament as a result of the tax spending welfare

:04:30.:04:33.

decisions made by this Chancellor and his predecessors. That is, it is

:04:34.:04:40.

the poorest households, and on a very arm progressive gradient, those

:04:41.:04:44.

from lower income households who are absolutely clobbered by this

:04:45.:04:50.

government, only the very richest decile are affected worse than the

:04:51.:04:54.

very worst paid. The very worst well. And if you think about it when

:04:55.:04:58.

you are someone who is paying the very highest rate of tax, as a

:04:59.:05:01.

percentage of your income you are paying more than the very poorest.

:05:02.:05:06.

Thousands of pounds a year for some of those people in tax increases is

:05:07.:05:12.

actually relatively small change compare to ?20, ?40, ?50 increase

:05:13.:05:16.

for the very poorest. Because if you are just about managing, because if

:05:17.:05:20.

you just about managing to pay the bills or even more likely if you are

:05:21.:05:23.

one of the millions of people returning to credit cards, and

:05:24.:05:28.

fuelling a record boom in unsecured household debt, those margin

:05:29.:05:37.

increases for many of us are huge increases for them. That is what

:05:38.:05:41.

Tory chancellors fail to understand, they have no understanding and

:05:42.:05:44.

conception of what that is like, to have to cut corners between heating

:05:45.:05:49.

or eating. This is why for the last seven years of Tory budgets, those

:05:50.:05:52.

are the people who have been the most left behind. I'm very grateful,

:05:53.:06:00.

did he pick up the comments of Charlie Bean, formerly of the Bank

:06:01.:06:07.

of England and now, the OBR that consumer spending is unsustainable,

:06:08.:06:10.

and it is going back to the record levels of debt that go back to

:06:11.:06:15.

before the crash. Durable gentleman makes a very powerful and important

:06:16.:06:18.

point because unless we get to grips with this issue. It is not just

:06:19.:06:23.

those people who suffer as they fall below, the line and can no longer

:06:24.:06:27.

keep their head above water, it is the economy itself. Even though the

:06:28.:06:34.

sluggish growth, even with that sluggish growth, it is being driven

:06:35.:06:39.

by an increase in household debt. What happens to those families and

:06:40.:06:43.

what happens to the economy, when the money dries up, when they can

:06:44.:06:47.

lend no more all when they can no longer service their debt. Of course

:06:48.:06:52.

it is not just national assurance or income tax that the poorest pay,

:06:53.:06:56.

they are disproportionately and regressive the impacted upon, by

:06:57.:07:05.

other rates of taxation, like the 80, like council tax, other

:07:06.:07:08.

aggressive measures of taxation and making the very poorest of a worst.

:07:09.:07:14.

If this wasn't bad enough, this was explicitly ruled out in the

:07:15.:07:18.

Conservative manifesto, not just once but four times. It is a bit

:07:19.:07:23.

rich for the Chancellor to come to this house and talk about the small

:07:24.:07:27.

print companies, while his ministers are then tidying up the mess the day

:07:28.:07:31.

after at the dispatch box talking about the small print in the

:07:32.:07:34.

national insurance bill. This is a broken promise play and simple. It

:07:35.:07:41.

was not only a manifesto, it was a central line of Tory attack, and

:07:42.:07:44.

just as the Tories were wrong in the last elections, be warned that

:07:45.:07:50.

somehow a Labour government, would cause chaos, and instability, look

:07:51.:07:54.

at the mess they are designing over and look what they have done. You

:07:55.:08:02.

have referred to the Conservative manifesto, that is the same

:08:03.:08:05.

manifesto that has committed the government to stay in the single

:08:06.:08:09.

market, so clearly the lesson surely is the Conservative manifesto is

:08:10.:08:14.

worth nothing, not even the paper they are written on? And grateful to

:08:15.:08:21.

my honourable friend for making that point, he will be pleased I will be

:08:22.:08:24.

returning shortly to Europe and the issue of our economy. I will come

:08:25.:08:28.

back to Europe and he may want to make an intervention later on, I'm

:08:29.:08:33.

conscious of other people waiting to speak, there are stalling number of

:08:34.:08:35.

people on this side of the chamber even if there are not any on the

:08:36.:08:40.

other side of the chamber. This is the case of all pain and no game at

:08:41.:08:46.

depth to speak. If it weren't bad enough, that's the Conservative

:08:47.:08:48.

chance arrived yesterday to clobber the self-employed, he is failing to

:08:49.:08:53.

put right the public services is people depend. We were told, that

:08:54.:09:00.

the crisis in the NHS and social care, required an additional ?6

:09:01.:09:06.

billion by 2019. Whilst the ?2 billion that was announced yesterday

:09:07.:09:11.

may be welcomed, it is wholly insufficient, for meeting the

:09:12.:09:16.

demands of our rising populations, the people who rely on the NHS and

:09:17.:09:20.

social care when they need it most. And I have to say having been a

:09:21.:09:23.

local councillor for almost seven years now, and standing down next

:09:24.:09:28.

year, the situation facing local authorities is dire. Because of

:09:29.:09:33.

course faced with a choice of child protection or adult social care. Of

:09:34.:09:39.

course, local councils prioritise keeping children safe. And keeping

:09:40.:09:43.

the Alderley and disabled alive and well. But there is a consequence, of

:09:44.:09:49.

those choices, it is increase council tax for those who can ill

:09:50.:09:53.

afford it and it is service cuts affect the service on put which

:09:54.:10:00.

people rely. That has been the consequence, and I only wish that

:10:01.:10:03.

this government would have the courage to accept 75 years on from

:10:04.:10:07.

the Beveridge report, that the modern health and social care in

:10:08.:10:10.

this country is no longer fit for purpose. And no longer sustainable,

:10:11.:10:16.

unless it receives funding that so badly needed. Viscount understand

:10:17.:10:20.

why ministers haven't simply had the courage to ask people from across

:10:21.:10:25.

the house to help the government come up with a plan to help the NHS

:10:26.:10:33.

be sustainable for the 21st-century. Is my honourable friend a shocked as

:10:34.:10:36.

I was that it has been trailed today by the government that unless Tory

:10:37.:10:42.

MPs backed down somehow the social care funding will be under threat. I

:10:43.:10:48.

entirely agree, I'm not sure how many experienced wise leaders of the

:10:49.:10:55.

NHS, of local councils, could come forward and warned the government

:10:56.:10:59.

about not just an impending crisis, the crisis that is affecting

:11:00.:11:04.

hospitals and care services today in each of our constituencies. What

:11:05.:11:06.

more will it take for the government to show the courage and find the

:11:07.:11:11.

money to fund social care. Imagine what cross-party commission led by

:11:12.:11:15.

the likes of my honourable friend the member for Leicester West or

:11:16.:11:17.

North Norfolk or the honourable member for Totnes could do to build

:11:18.:11:23.

their health and social care system for the 21st century. And wasn't it

:11:24.:11:28.

a travesty Madam Deputy Speaker that small budgets in our constituencies

:11:29.:11:31.

are faced with cuts, that this government and Chancellor chose to

:11:32.:11:35.

provide yesterday with a funding package that would

:11:36.:11:42.

What do ministers have to say to the head teachers in my constituency, or

:11:43.:11:48.

to the parents or the pupils that attend the vast majority of schools

:11:49.:11:52.

in my constituency who are facing an average a funding cut of ?188 per

:11:53.:11:58.

pupil by dear? Now, I don't need an opinion poll to tell me that whether

:11:59.:12:01.

people vote Labour or Conservative there are a few things they expect

:12:02.:12:05.

the Government to do. Among those things to make sure that we have

:12:06.:12:09.

decent hospitals and well funded schools. And it is a scandal, is

:12:10.:12:14.

gamble, so much of the educational progress in my city and across the

:12:15.:12:17.

country led by the last Labour government, it is a scandal that

:12:18.:12:22.

that is being put at risk because of Budget cuts to schools. What sort of

:12:23.:12:27.

government chooses to cut education for the next generation whilst also

:12:28.:12:31.

cutting the tax bill for the very wealthiest? Flimsiness of the Budget

:12:32.:12:35.

red book, for once it didn't take long to get through it portrays the

:12:36.:12:41.

fragility of our economy. In the long list of suppliers add good news

:12:42.:12:45.

yesterday, there were facts that were missing. -- suppose it good

:12:46.:12:51.

news. What do we have to show for this Budget? The only developed

:12:52.:12:54.

country that has a growing economy but a fall in real wages, rising

:12:55.:13:00.

cost of living but wages at three crash levels, a productivity gap

:13:01.:13:02.

holding back growth and depressing wages. Inflation that households and

:13:03.:13:08.

businesses can ill afford. A failure to meet their own targets for debt

:13:09.:13:13.

and deficit reduction because the Tories have never understood the

:13:14.:13:16.

need to balance spending cuts with investment for growth. A failure to

:13:17.:13:21.

meet their own welfare gap because of the failure to tackle

:13:22.:13:26.

unemployment, underemployment, and exploitation by employers, leaving a

:13:27.:13:29.

welfare system that lacks the Howedes of the public but fails the

:13:30.:13:33.

very people that need it most, the very worst of all world's. And even

:13:34.:13:37.

now in the wake of a Brexit vote driven in large part by the votes of

:13:38.:13:43.

people who have been left behind, we have a government willing to put

:13:44.:13:47.

aside over rising child poverty, public services at breaking point,

:13:48.:13:51.

and the economy will equip for the challenges that arise ahead. It

:13:52.:13:56.

should not take dragging a former Prime Minister out of retirement, a

:13:57.:13:59.

former Conservative Prime Minister out of retirement, to tell this

:14:00.:14:02.

government the way they are handling this, the single biggest issue

:14:03.:14:06.

facing this country, the departure from the European Union, should not

:14:07.:14:09.

take bringing a former Prime Minister like John Major out of

:14:10.:14:12.

retirement to towel this government that they are putting the economy at

:14:13.:14:16.

risk with the path they are taking. What John Major said was very

:14:17.:14:23.

straightforward. There is a choice to be made, a price to be paid. We

:14:24.:14:28.

cannot move to a radical enterprise economy without moving away from a

:14:29.:14:32.

welfare state. Such a direction of policy, once understood by the

:14:33.:14:37.

public, would never, and support. It makes all previous rows over social

:14:38.:14:42.

policy seem like a minor distraction -- would never command support. So

:14:43.:14:45.

John Major could have been reading from the Labour Party script on this

:14:46.:14:52.

issue. There we have it. A former Conservative Prime Minister, holding

:14:53.:14:55.

up the truth that we on these benches know, which is that unless

:14:56.:14:59.

the Government ago shakes a smooth and sensible exit from the European

:15:00.:15:04.

Union, -- negotiates. They will consign this country to being a

:15:05.:15:08.

small tax haven off the north-west coast of Europe, and able to meet

:15:09.:15:12.

the needs of its people and unable to make sure that prosperity is

:15:13.:15:16.

shared. And of course, is not just John Major that has concerns, the

:15:17.:15:20.

former Chancellor, the right honourable member for Tatton, told

:15:21.:15:23.

this House, this Government has chosen not to make the economy a

:15:24.:15:28.

priority. Now, when so much of this country's economic success relies on

:15:29.:15:32.

trade abroad, when we have the largest Single Market in the world

:15:33.:15:40.

on our doorstep, when being members of the customs union gives us access

:15:41.:15:43.

to more trade agreements than that enjoyed buying any other leading

:15:44.:15:45.

economy in the world, for a Government to decide not to make the

:15:46.:15:48.

economy a priority is reckless and irresponsible. I'm grateful to my

:15:49.:15:58.

friend for giving way again. He is making a very, very powerful speech.

:15:59.:16:04.

He mentioned the former Chancellor's remarks. Clearly the Goverment's

:16:05.:16:07.

position is that immigration is the priority. The target of 100,000

:16:08.:16:16.

reduction of the Government seems a bit strange, given that the

:16:17.:16:21.

forecasts in this document are assuming there will be 185,000

:16:22.:16:27.

migrants into this country in 2021. That is the OBR statistics on which

:16:28.:16:31.

the forecasts are based. How can they reconcile the 100,000 figure

:16:32.:16:36.

and the 100m 5000 figure? Surely the economy is going to be in a worse

:16:37.:16:40.

position based on those facts? I agree with my honourable friend. I

:16:41.:16:43.

have lost count of the number of times I have heard calls for a real

:16:44.:16:47.

debate about regression, but a real debate requires an argument, and the

:16:48.:16:52.

truth is this - there are undoubtedly, in communities across

:16:53.:16:57.

the country, real sensitivities and concerns about immigration, not

:16:58.:17:00.

least where people see and feel their own wages depressed because

:17:01.:17:03.

employers are able to bring in cheaper Labour from abroad to

:17:04.:17:06.

undercut the pay, terms and conditions of local workers. Now,

:17:07.:17:12.

for me that is an issue of social injustice. And it is one that

:17:13.:17:16.

governments need to tackle. But any politician that says that

:17:17.:17:20.

immigration is a price this country can't afford most towel as in the

:17:21.:17:24.

context of an ageing population and a shrinking working age population,

:17:25.:17:28.

when we can barely afford the pensions bill as it is and we need a

:17:29.:17:32.

greater working age population to come to this country, do their work

:17:33.:17:37.

and pay their taxes, anyone who says this country must have lower

:17:38.:17:40.

immigration must also come to this House and tell us how they plan to

:17:41.:17:44.

pay for the public services upon which every citizen in this country

:17:45.:17:50.

relies. And until we grasp the reality of the immigration debate,

:17:51.:17:55.

so long as we fail to address the genuine and well founded concerns

:17:56.:17:59.

about immigration, but pander to the myths about immigration, we will set

:18:00.:18:03.

this country on a course that will make spore and less well off. And

:18:04.:18:07.

that would be the worst possible result -- make us poorer. It would

:18:08.:18:11.

be the worst response to the EU referendum. If people went to the

:18:12.:18:15.

ballot box to Vote Leave European Union because they felt left behind

:18:16.:18:19.

by globalisation and the world changing around them and a feeling

:18:20.:18:23.

they are left behind, imagine the betrayal they will feel if they have

:18:24.:18:33.

been sold the promise of a brighter future and find the jobs are drying

:18:34.:18:36.

up, there economy is left behind and the public services upon which they

:18:37.:18:38.

rely on decimated. I'm afraid that is the real risk of a hard Brexit.

:18:39.:18:41.

And in the context of a rapidly changing global economy where jobs

:18:42.:18:47.

are changing, we have huge digitalisation, a new Industrial

:18:48.:18:49.

Revolution that is sweeping the country on a pace and scale we have

:18:50.:18:54.

never seen before, the purpose of the Labour Party has never been more

:18:55.:18:59.

relevant or urgent. More than 100 years ago, the Labour Party was

:19:00.:19:02.

founded to champion the interests of Labour over the interests of

:19:03.:19:06.

capital. And in a future where were we see deregulation, a loss of jobs

:19:07.:19:12.

and huge sectors of the economy where jobs could be found no longer

:19:13.:19:16.

existing, it is the job of the Labour Party to protect the

:19:17.:19:19.

interests of labour in that time. And I have to say, when you look at

:19:20.:19:23.

what this Budget did to the self-employed and of the strivers

:19:24.:19:27.

and people across the private sector who make up the backbone of the

:19:28.:19:31.

economy, when you look at what they are doing to public services, when

:19:32.:19:35.

you look at how they are botching Brexit, it's long past time the

:19:36.:19:39.

Labour Party took this lot apart. Because people across the country

:19:40.:19:42.

are counting on us to be an effective opposition and an

:19:43.:19:45.

alternative government. That is the job that we must face up to, and we

:19:46.:19:49.

need to start doing it sooner rather than later. Norman Lamb. Thank you,

:19:50.:19:56.

Madam Deputy Speaker. Can I apologise straightaway, I did at the

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Speaker earlier to this, but I have a long-standing engagement at the

:20:02.:20:03.

University of East Anglia this evening and I hope it will be OK

:20:04.:20:06.

with the front benches if I am missing from the end of the debate.

:20:07.:20:10.

Madam Deputy Speaker, I agreed with an awful lot of what is the last

:20:11.:20:16.

Speaker spoke about in this debate, other than the fact that it is the

:20:17.:20:20.

role of the Labour Party to confront the issues set out in this Budget!

:20:21.:20:32.

But I wanted to focus my marks today on the contents of this Budget that

:20:33.:20:37.

relate to social care and to the health service. And I wanted to

:20:38.:20:41.

start by just making the very clear point that the ?1 billion

:20:42.:20:46.

announcement for social care for the next financial year is wholly

:20:47.:20:53.

inadequate for the needs of the social care system and for the

:20:54.:20:57.

people who rely on it. And I say that because the Health Foundation

:20:58.:21:01.

has been very clear that the current gap in social care is estimated to

:21:02.:21:07.

be somewhere in the region of ?2 billion per year. And that is in

:21:08.:21:12.

part because of the impact of the increase in the National Minimum

:21:13.:21:15.

Wage, which will cost the social care system in the next financial

:21:16.:21:19.

year something in the region of ?900 million. So this means no real terms

:21:20.:21:26.

increase in the amount of money available to the system. And as the

:21:27.:21:32.

Care Quality Commission recently confirmed, not politicians but the

:21:33.:21:35.

regulator in this country, the social care system is close to

:21:36.:21:41.

tipping point. There are very many providers who are now looking at

:21:42.:21:47.

whether they want to withdraw from the publicly funded market of social

:21:48.:21:51.

care in this country. There are other providers that are at risk of

:21:52.:21:55.

going out of business. A very alarming fact is that in the north

:21:56.:22:00.

of England there is very little if any investment in the new social

:22:01.:22:05.

care facilities because the finances simply do not stack up. The only

:22:06.:22:09.

parts of the country where investment in new social care

:22:10.:22:13.

facilities makes sense is worth they can cross subsidise from wealthy

:22:14.:22:21.

self funders paying for the provision of care for those who rely

:22:22.:22:28.

on the state. And so we are seeing and witnessing an increasing divide

:22:29.:22:31.

across our country in the quality of our social care. And for me, this is

:22:32.:22:36.

simply unacceptable. There are now estimated to be over 1 billion older

:22:37.:22:44.

people he will have care needs, -- 1 million. The care needs are not

:22:45.:22:48.

being met either in whole or in part as a result of the reductions in

:22:49.:22:52.

availability of publicly funded social care. That is disastrous for

:22:53.:22:57.

those people, but it is also very stupid. Because it inevitably means

:22:58.:23:02.

that more older people next financial year, from this April,

:23:03.:23:07.

will end up unnecessarily in hospital because they don't have the

:23:08.:23:11.

care package available to them that can keep them in good health at

:23:12.:23:17.

home. More people unnecessarily in hospital means more pressure on the

:23:18.:23:22.

NHS, and we have seen over the last five or six years considerable

:23:23.:23:26.

increases in income for a cue the hospitals within the NHS, but demand

:23:27.:23:30.

has increased even more because of the inadequacies of the social care

:23:31.:23:39.

system. You are left with a sense of lurching from one crisis to another,

:23:40.:23:44.

and it seems to me that there must be about approach. The Government

:23:45.:23:47.

says that there will now be a green paper to address the issue of

:23:48.:23:51.

funding -- there must be a more sensible approach. You go back to

:23:52.:23:56.

1999, when the previous Labour governments set up a Royal

:23:57.:24:00.

commission into this very subject. This is an issue that has been put

:24:01.:24:05.

into the long grass now for far too long. Under the coalition, we

:24:06.:24:11.

actually went out and sought the advice of a leading expert, Andrew

:24:12.:24:16.

Dillon. We got his advice, we consulted on it, and we implemented

:24:17.:24:22.

in legislation through the care act. The cap on care costs would have

:24:23.:24:26.

introduced greater fairness into the funding of social care. The

:24:27.:24:29.

Conservative government or the Conservative Party in their

:24:30.:24:34.

manifesto committed to introducing the cap on care costs. And then as

:24:35.:24:38.

soon as they were re-elected, within weeks of that real election, they

:24:39.:24:44.

abandoned that commitment. -- within weeks of real action. Just as now

:24:45.:24:47.

they are abandoning the commitment not to increase tax. They said it

:24:48.:24:52.

would be delayed until 2020, but nobody at all believes that it will

:24:53.:24:57.

be introduced in 2020. It is quite clearly being abandoned. So a green

:24:58.:25:01.

paper, a discussion document, is not what is needed. There needs to be a

:25:02.:25:06.

much greater sense of urgency. And then so far as the NHS is concerned,

:25:07.:25:11.

well, we are told there is a ?325 million boost to capital spending.

:25:12.:25:18.

But in this financial year, capital spending has been cut by ?1.2

:25:19.:25:25.

billion. Raided in order to fund the clearing of deficits. And with this

:25:26.:25:31.

?325 million, only, we are told, between six and ten Pioneer

:25:32.:25:38.

sustainability and transformation plan areas will benefit from this

:25:39.:25:42.

funding. Which means that the whole of the rest of the country gets

:25:43.:25:45.

knowing crease in capital investment at all. And the health service

:25:46.:25:52.

Journal -- gets no increase. The health service Journal indicated

:25:53.:25:55.

there will be another raid on the capital Budgets in the next

:25:56.:25:58.

financial year, making the situation even worse for the rest of the

:25:59.:26:02.

country. Now, in the referendum campaign, those advocating Brexit

:26:03.:26:10.

argued that leaving would give this country ?350 million per week to

:26:11.:26:14.

spend on the NHS. Well, this Budget offers this country, instead of ?350

:26:15.:26:21.

million per week, ?2.7 million per week in capital funding. A wholly

:26:22.:26:28.

inadequate figure. And then we look at the provided deficits around the

:26:29.:26:33.

country. They stand at the end of quarter three at the figure of ?886

:26:34.:26:40.

million. And that's after the injection of ?1.8 billion to clear

:26:41.:26:47.

deficits from last year. And the Institute for government has today

:26:48.:26:51.

confirmed that 90% of hospitals in this country face deficits. It is

:26:52.:26:56.

now in damage across the system. So this Budget, it seems to me, is

:26:57.:27:02.

inadequate for social care, but actually disastrous for the NHS.

:27:03.:27:07.

There will be a 1% increase in funding for the NHS for 2017-18. But

:27:08.:27:13.

that compares to an increase in demand of about 4%. And the next

:27:14.:27:19.

financial year, there will be a reduction in spend per heard in real

:27:20.:27:26.

terms on the NHS. Now, wherever you want on the political spectrum, that

:27:27.:27:32.

makes absolutely no sense at all. And at a time when demand is rising

:27:33.:27:37.

rapidly, to be reducing spending per head on health care in this country

:27:38.:27:39.

is nonsensical. And it amounts to a reduction in the

:27:40.:27:48.

percentage of our national income that we are choosing to spend on

:27:49.:27:51.

health and social care. I wanted to focus... The Right Honourable member

:27:52.:27:59.

brings a lot of experience from his time in the office. They were

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advocating ?2 billion of immediate spending on social care and the NHS,

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and ?4 billion is a lot of money, and I'm sure he has arguments as to

:28:11.:28:14.

why that is needed, but could he enlighten us as to how that will be

:28:15.:28:18.

raised? We have spring conference coming up and we will have proposals

:28:19.:28:27.

in that regard. I'm being asked to enlighten the House. I would be

:28:28.:28:32.

delighted to invite the honourable member to our conference and I'm

:28:33.:28:36.

sure he would have a fine time! You'd find out very soon what our

:28:37.:28:40.

proposals are. In a sense, taking up the challenge from him, I share his

:28:41.:28:44.

view that we have to be responsible in how we argue for how spending

:28:45.:28:53.

should be paid for, and we intend to be fully responsible in that regard,

:28:54.:28:59.

and I hope that reassures him, and he will find out more details very

:29:00.:29:06.

soon. I wanted to focus, Madam Deputy Speaker, for a moment on what

:29:07.:29:11.

the consequences are for ordinary people of the state of our NHS and

:29:12.:29:18.

our care system. The honourable gentleman has talked a lot about

:29:19.:29:22.

support for people with long-term conditions. The NHS is now having to

:29:23.:29:27.

cope with a dramatic increase in the number of people living with

:29:28.:29:30.

long-term chronic conditions. They estimate that the increase in the

:29:31.:29:35.

number of people living with three or more conditions will increase by

:29:36.:29:40.

50% over a 10-year period. This is something we are witnessing now

:29:41.:29:44.

which is completely unprecedented, but the failure to meet the care

:29:45.:29:49.

needs of those people has disastrous consequences for many of those

:29:50.:29:54.

individuals. And it was just in the last few weeks that I took up the

:29:55.:29:58.

case for an individual in my constituency, an adult who suffers

:29:59.:30:04.

from ADHD, and he has been referred by his HD to the adult ADHD clinic,

:30:05.:30:09.

and so I wrote to the mental health trust to ask what the waiting time

:30:10.:30:15.

was for his treatment, and I was told in response that the current

:30:16.:30:19.

waiting time in Norfolk for the ADHD clinic is two years. Two years. What

:30:20.:30:24.

on earth is that individual supposed to do in the meantime? There is, I'm

:30:25.:30:31.

afraid, still a complete in equality of access to treatment between

:30:32.:30:34.

mental health and physical health. It is a discrimination at the heart

:30:35.:30:39.

of the NHS, and we will never address that discrimination with the

:30:40.:30:45.

levels of inadequate funding that we are experiencing at the moment. I

:30:46.:30:51.

have a nine-year-old boy in my constituency who has been referred

:30:52.:30:54.

for diagnosis for possible autism. That family was told that the

:30:55.:31:00.

waiting time for diagnosis is up to three years. Three years. I just

:31:01.:31:04.

assumed that there was something appalling happening in Norfolk, but

:31:05.:31:09.

when I went to the National Autistic Society to ask for more information

:31:10.:31:12.

about what the situation was across the country, I was told that this is

:31:13.:31:17.

very much the case across the entire country. What are we doing to our

:31:18.:31:22.

children? These are children that we know, with hourly help, we could

:31:23.:31:26.

make a massive difference to their life chances, and yet, we're telling

:31:27.:31:30.

them that they are supposed to wait up to three years for a diagnosis,

:31:31.:31:35.

let alone any treatment. This is scandalous, and we are letting down

:31:36.:31:39.

some of the most vulnerable people in our country, and the really awful

:31:40.:31:45.

thing is this: if you have money, you can circumvent these awful

:31:46.:31:50.

waiting times. You could get a diagnosis for autism, help for your

:31:51.:31:53.

son or your daughter, but if you don't have money, you are just left

:31:54.:31:59.

waiting. That is unjust and unacceptable, but it is what is

:32:00.:32:02.

happening in this country. And I give way. I am very grateful to him

:32:03.:32:09.

for giving way. Not only is it a great injustice on these young

:32:10.:32:13.

people, it is also hugely costly to the taxpayer, because if you fail

:32:14.:32:16.

young people in their formative years and failed to break down the

:32:17.:32:23.

barriers, you end up with more in terms of unemployment and the costs

:32:24.:32:27.

of further mental ill-health and a breakdown of social life later on. I

:32:28.:32:32.

totally agree with him. It's an absolute false economy. We know that

:32:33.:32:38.

75% of mental ill-health starts before the age of 18. Under the

:32:39.:32:44.

coalition, we secured ?1.25 billion over a five-year period in the final

:32:45.:32:48.

budget for children and young people's mental health, and yet the

:32:49.:32:53.

Young Minds survey just before Christmas showed that not all of the

:32:54.:32:59.

money is getting through to be spent on children's mental health because

:33:00.:33:03.

it is being diverted to other parts of the NHS that are under impossible

:33:04.:33:07.

strain. This is scandalous, and it's outrageous that children with mental

:33:08.:33:12.

ill-health are being let down in this way. I give way. Thank you,

:33:13.:33:18.

Madam Deputy Speaker, and I thank the Right Honourable gentleman for

:33:19.:33:22.

allowing me to intervene. I have some experience of autism, not me

:33:23.:33:26.

personally, but in my family, and I have always thought that it doesn't

:33:27.:33:32.

take very much to diagnose autism. It's not a costly affair, and it can

:33:33.:33:36.

be done quite quickly, so I don't quite understand the three-year

:33:37.:33:41.

waiting list, but perhaps the right honourable gentleman has more

:33:42.:33:45.

experience than me on this. I am very grateful, and he is right -

:33:46.:33:50.

through, in part, better organisation, we could help to solve

:33:51.:33:55.

this problem. I have had an 11-year-old girl in my constituency

:33:56.:33:59.

referred to the mental health trust, and instead of the mental health

:34:00.:34:03.

team having people trained in the diagnosis of autism, she has been

:34:04.:34:07.

referred to another trust to go onto a waiting list for a diagnosis. This

:34:08.:34:14.

is hopeless, a silo mentality in the NHS. In part, it is a failure to

:34:15.:34:21.

invest sufficiently in those good diagnostic services, but it is also

:34:22.:34:25.

a failure of organisation. Some other examples of the extent to

:34:26.:34:29.

which this system is now under impossible pressure. 197,100 laid

:34:30.:34:38.

days -- delayed days, delayed discharges, in January of this year,

:34:39.:34:43.

up 23% from January of last year. The delays in mental health

:34:44.:34:50.

discharge are even worse, up 56% in the number of days left through

:34:51.:34:59.

delayed discharges in the year to October 2016. With regard to

:35:00.:35:02.

ambulances coming to collect people who are sometimes acutely ill with

:35:03.:35:08.

their lives at risk, there is a target for responding. 75% of those

:35:09.:35:13.

cases where the person's life is at risk should be responded to within

:35:14.:35:18.

eight minutes, and yet, that target has been missed since May 2016, 20

:35:19.:35:26.

months. In stroke care, we all know that your chances of survival, and

:35:27.:35:31.

of avoiding long-term disability, depend on you getting to a

:35:32.:35:36.

specialist unit within 60 minutes. It's called the Golden hour. Well,

:35:37.:35:42.

in the last year, in my constituency, 18% of stroke patients

:35:43.:35:49.

got to the specialist unit within that gold an hour. That is, again, a

:35:50.:35:54.

scandalous failure of a health system in this day and age. And in

:35:55.:36:04.

A, 85% of patients attending A scene in January, way below the

:36:05.:36:11.

national target of 95%. And in cancer services, treatment starting

:36:12.:36:17.

within 62 days of referral, now the target being missed in too many

:36:18.:36:25.

cases. It should be 85% being met within 62 days. It was down to 79.7%

:36:26.:36:32.

of patients. And this leads to a real concern that I have, because if

:36:33.:36:41.

you have, yourself or a loved one, suspected cancer, and you are

:36:42.:36:44.

worried about whether you will be seen on time, whether you will start

:36:45.:36:48.

your treatment on time, if you have money, you will choose to opt out of

:36:49.:36:52.

these waiting times. He will get treatment privately. And when we

:36:53.:36:58.

talk about privatisation, I think a debate that often takes us down a

:36:59.:37:05.

ridiculous cul-de-sac, the actual privatisation that is happening is

:37:06.:37:08.

that increasing numbers of people with money are choosing to opt out

:37:09.:37:11.

of long waiting times, and they are getting their treatment privately.

:37:12.:37:17.

Now, I find that intolerable and insidious, because it means that

:37:18.:37:21.

people with money will get access to treatment quickly, and people who

:37:22.:37:24.

don't have the money will be left waiting. I think that, Madam Deputy

:37:25.:37:33.

Speaker, is intolerable. The Government, or NHS England, has now

:37:34.:37:39.

established the process of sustainability and transformation

:37:40.:37:42.

plans. The Kings Fund takes the view that without heroic assumptions

:37:43.:37:50.

about efficiency savings between now and 2020, in each of the footprints

:37:51.:37:56.

of the SDPs, they are likely to be hundreds of millions of pounds short

:37:57.:38:03.

of the money required. These SDPs, they are a good, sensible process of

:38:04.:38:07.

bringing health and social care, and they are based, sadly, on a fantasy

:38:08.:38:12.

or simply insufficient resources being available. And with all of

:38:13.:38:18.

those examples of what I've given to the House, it seems to me that

:38:19.:38:22.

failures of care are now becoming endemic across the system, and that

:38:23.:38:27.

is in stark contrast with the Secretary of State's commitment to

:38:28.:38:31.

make the NHS the safest health care system in the world. It is

:38:32.:38:35.

impossible to achieve that, given the extent to which failures of care

:38:36.:38:41.

are now becoming commonplace. Madam Deputy Speaker, there is an

:38:42.:38:47.

alternative to this sense of a Government lurching from crisis to

:38:48.:38:54.

crisis, using sticking plasters to avert total collapse in the system.

:38:55.:38:58.

The approach that the Government should be taking is to be prepared

:38:59.:39:03.

to work with others, as has been the case, including indicated by the

:39:04.:39:07.

previous bicker, to work with others to come up with a long-term,

:39:08.:39:11.

sustainable settlement. The NHS and the care system was designed in the

:39:12.:39:17.

1940s, at a time when the needs of this country are wholly -- at a time

:39:18.:39:22.

when the needs of this country were wholly different from today. The

:39:23.:39:26.

need for the whole system to be refreshed, it seems to me, is

:39:27.:39:31.

overwhelming. I got together a group of Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem

:39:32.:39:37.

MPs to make the case to the Prime Minister for establishing an NHS and

:39:38.:39:41.

care convention, to engage with the public and with staff in the NHS and

:39:42.:39:45.

the care system, so that we can have a mature debate in this country

:39:46.:39:52.

about how we achieve a sustainable, efficient and effective health and

:39:53.:39:55.

care system to meet the needs of our loved ones in their hour of need.

:39:56.:40:00.

The Prime Minister has met with us, and she has sanctioned the start of

:40:01.:40:04.

a dialogue about what we're proposing. We are due to meet with

:40:05.:40:09.

the Prime Minister's health adviser, James Kent, and I welcome that. But

:40:10.:40:13.

the fact that the Government has now announced a Green paper for social

:40:14.:40:18.

care, continuing this silo mentality, looking at one side or

:40:19.:40:21.

the other, leaves me with this sense that the Government does not appear

:40:22.:40:27.

to be wholly serious about engaging with this group of MPs on what I

:40:28.:40:33.

think is absolutely necessary. The truth is that partisan politics has

:40:34.:40:37.

failed to come up with a solution for the needs of this country in

:40:38.:40:41.

terms of its health and care system, and that is in part because all of

:40:42.:40:46.

the solutions are actually rather difficult, as the honourable

:40:47.:40:49.

gentleman indicated from opposite. It probably involves us all being

:40:50.:40:54.

prepared to pay a bit more tax to ensure that we have a health and

:40:55.:40:58.

care system that we can rely on and be confident that it will respond in

:40:59.:41:08.

our hour of need. Thank you to the honourable gentleman forgiving way.

:41:09.:41:11.

The Right Honourable gentleman's group of MPs from across the House,

:41:12.:41:15.

are they looking at other sort of models, like the German model of how

:41:16.:41:22.

they provide health care on their equivalent of the NHS, which is a

:41:23.:41:28.

combination of Private and national means? Because this seems to me to

:41:29.:41:32.

be something that we will have to seriously consider in order to get a

:41:33.:41:35.

really first-class National Health Service. I thank him for that

:41:36.:41:40.

intervention. The interesting thing is that the Germans spend about a

:41:41.:41:45.

third more than we do on their health system, and they have an

:41:46.:41:49.

effective health and care system as a result of that. What we have done

:41:50.:41:53.

at the moment, and I would invite the honourable gentleman to join

:41:54.:41:59.

with us on this, is that we all acknowledge that this is difficult,

:42:00.:42:04.

that it involves acute politics, that there is an enormous risk of

:42:05.:42:08.

people just shouting at each other, and instead of that, we have come

:42:09.:42:12.

together to say, let opt for a more rational approach where we all agree

:42:13.:42:17.

that we should be bound into a process, lasting perhaps up to a

:42:18.:42:21.

year, where we engage with the public on the sort of debate that he

:42:22.:42:26.

raises there. Let's have an open discussion about how we sustain

:42:27.:42:29.

their health and care system. I want to ensure that whatever emerges from

:42:30.:42:32.

that is a system which is accessible to anyone in this country,

:42:33.:42:36.

irrespective of their ability to pay. That was the founding principle

:42:37.:42:41.

of the NHS, and it remains true, it seems to be, to this day.

:42:42.:42:46.

Along with advocating for the case for parties working together to

:42:47.:42:53.

resolve this intractable problem, my party, the Liberal Democrats, are

:42:54.:42:56.

continuing to do our work on developing our own ideas. I

:42:57.:43:01.

established last autumn and expert panel, an independent expert panel,

:43:02.:43:05.

to look specifically at the case for a dedicated, a hypoxic aged NHS and

:43:06.:43:12.

care tax. And I was fascinated that in yesterday's Times, the leading

:43:13.:43:15.

Conservative thinker Lord Finkelstein advocated exactly what I

:43:16.:43:23.

have been proposing. And it seems to me that there is a growing view or a

:43:24.:43:28.

growing interest in this sort of solution. If you could have an OBE

:43:29.:43:35.

for health, a process of making an independent assessment of the needs

:43:36.:43:39.

of the health and care system -- and OBR. Full funding over a given

:43:40.:43:44.

period, and if that would then inform the level of dedicated health

:43:45.:43:47.

and care tax that you expect people to pay, shown on their pay packets,

:43:48.:43:52.

it seems to me that we could rebuild trust in the public and they would

:43:53.:43:56.

have the confidence that the amount they are being asked to page was

:43:57.:44:00.

what was necessary. It is interesting that in the German

:44:01.:44:05.

system, the social insurance premiums have actually kept pace

:44:06.:44:10.

with demand better than our tax funded system. I think that he

:44:11.:44:14.

hypothecated tax, so that people could see exactly what was going

:44:15.:44:17.

into the health care system, achieves the benefits of the German

:44:18.:44:22.

system, but stays true to our ideal of a tax funded health and care

:44:23.:44:29.

system. And it seems to me that with people very anxious and nervous

:44:30.:44:32.

about governments misusing their hard earned taxes, having a process

:44:33.:44:41.

of independent assessment would make an awful lot of sense. So, can this

:44:42.:44:46.

Government, Madam Deputy Speaker, not rise to the challenge of

:44:47.:44:53.

reviewing a system, as I say, designed in the 1940s, a time wholly

:44:54.:44:59.

different to the needs of today? It seems to me that we are collectively

:45:00.:45:04.

in this Parliament badly letting down the people of this country. We

:45:05.:45:09.

are the sixth largest economy in the world, and yet we have a health and

:45:10.:45:13.

care system that is on its knees, that too often is dysfunctional. I

:45:14.:45:17.

think we are capable of better than that. It undermines, it seems to me,

:45:18.:45:22.

people's faith in politics to be able to resolve the big challenges

:45:23.:45:27.

of our age. And it would increase the beliefs, if the Government

:45:28.:45:33.

simply persists in going it alone, without properly addressing this, it

:45:34.:45:36.

will increase the belief that the Government actually has a hidden

:45:37.:45:41.

agenda, that it wants to run the NHS down in order to destroy it. So my

:45:42.:45:47.

plea to the Government is, don't allow that belief in a hidden agenda

:45:48.:45:53.

to grow. Engage with us, have a mature discussion with the public.

:45:54.:45:58.

Demonstrate a commitment to a process of renewal of this great

:45:59.:46:02.

institution, because the country, the people of this country, depend

:46:03.:46:10.

on is meeting this challenge. Order. Believe it or not, having started

:46:11.:46:13.

off with a lot of time for this debate, speeches do tend to expand

:46:14.:46:21.

to fill the time available. And so I must now ask if colleagues, being

:46:22.:46:31.

honourable and decent to other colleagues, will please take no more

:46:32.:46:36.

than 12 minutes each. 12 minutes is a very long time. And I'm... I know

:46:37.:46:47.

that I can rely on Mr Keith Vaz, who can count, and will no when 12

:46:48.:46:55.

minutes has expired. Keith Vaz. Madam Deputy Speaker, thank you for

:46:56.:46:58.

that endorsement that I can count, I am most grateful! It is a pleasure

:46:59.:47:01.

to follow the honourable member for North Norfolk. He is widely

:47:02.:47:05.

respected in this House as somebody who knows a huge amount about social

:47:06.:47:09.

care and the health service. And what he has to say about his project

:47:10.:47:14.

is I think welcome right all sides. We do need an independent assessment

:47:15.:47:19.

of health spending. There is a marvellous cartoon in the Times

:47:20.:47:24.

today, Madam Deputy Speaker, of the Chancellor dressed up as Marilyn

:47:25.:47:30.

Monroe, showing his Nics. I don't know whether Miss Monroe, she has

:47:31.:47:34.

been deceased for some years, could sue for that cartoon, but I want to

:47:35.:47:38.

take the debate away from a discussion on National Insurance

:47:39.:47:41.

contributions, because it has dominated the discussion, to other

:47:42.:47:45.

areas. Because I think it is important that we remember that the

:47:46.:47:49.

Budget is about funding the whole of government, not just one aspect,

:47:50.:47:52.

although of course it is important to raise the money first before you

:47:53.:47:57.

spend it. And I want to begin by talking about the Prime Minister,

:47:58.:48:06.

and confirmed by the Chancellor, concerning international aid. And I

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was pleased to note that the 0.7% of GNI is, remains a strong commitment

:48:14.:48:19.

of this Government. Even though in fact less time was spent in the

:48:20.:48:24.

Budget speech on international development than was spent by the

:48:25.:48:27.

Chancellor on praising his Parliamentary Private Secretary, the

:48:28.:48:37.

very worthy member. By. However, -- member for Soulsby. He went past the

:48:38.:48:40.

development commitment very, very quickly. He rightly lavished praise

:48:41.:48:44.

on the honourable gentleman for what he has done. However, I want to talk

:48:45.:48:48.

about the aid Budget and I want to talk about the importance of

:48:49.:48:52.

maintaining that aid Budget, and increasing it. Especially at a time

:48:53.:48:58.

when there is a great deal of media pressure and scrutiny over what we

:48:59.:49:02.

do with our aid. It is right that there should be that scrutiny,

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however, I think in some sections of the media, there is the obsession

:49:08.:49:12.

with challenging every single bit of expenditure as if in some way this

:49:13.:49:17.

undermines the principle, the important principle, that our

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Government provides aid to those countries in need. In particular, I

:49:22.:49:25.

want to highlight the aid that is given by the Treasury through the

:49:26.:49:29.

Department for International Development to Yemen. We heard only

:49:30.:49:34.

today that there is now a famine in Yemen. Of the aid that we currently

:49:35.:49:42.

give to the overall differed Budget, 100 million has been committed to

:49:43.:49:46.

the people of Yemen. However, although contributions have been

:49:47.:49:53.

made at a local level, sadly, a lot of this money cannot be delivered

:49:54.:49:58.

because of the current situation. So, my message to Treasury ministers

:49:59.:50:02.

is to keep up with that commitment to fund Dfid, to make sure Dfid

:50:03.:50:11.

delivers to countries that are made so much in need, such as Yemen, and

:50:12.:50:16.

that it doesn't just sit in a bank but that it actually gets spent. And

:50:17.:50:21.

that the moment, until we have that ceasefire in Yemen, we will not be

:50:22.:50:24.

able to spend that money, and therefore we will not be able to

:50:25.:50:28.

alleviate that poverty. I give way. Thank you for giving way briefly. I

:50:29.:50:32.

concur with the comments about the importance of the work that Dfid

:50:33.:50:36.

doing in Yemen and the support they have provided, it has been praised

:50:37.:50:39.

by the International development committee. Does he share my concern

:50:40.:50:44.

is that while we are providing that aid, the Saudi-led coalition,

:50:45.:50:46.

Amnesty International, said today, that they are using cluster

:50:47.:50:54.

Munitions. The honourable gentleman is an amazing campaigner on these

:50:55.:50:57.

issues and has worked very hard on the Yemen issue. He raises this

:50:58.:51:02.

rightly. This is part of the overall debate and discussion. You can't get

:51:03.:51:06.

the aid through unless the bombing stops. And that is why we need that

:51:07.:51:10.

ceasefire, so that the 100 marine pounds that has been committed is

:51:11.:51:14.

spent. I bumped into the Secretary of State in Central Lobby yesterday,

:51:15.:51:18.

the Secretary of State for Dfid. She's edgy was focused on and

:51:19.:51:23.

committing -- she's said that she was focused on the amount of aid the

:51:24.:51:28.

Yemen, but it cannot get through unless the bombing stops. We have

:51:29.:51:35.

heard a lot about... I thank the honourable gentleman for giving way,

:51:36.:51:39.

because he and I have a great interest in Yemen, both of us having

:51:40.:51:43.

lived there. My concern is, if we don't keep it in the bank, we don't

:51:44.:51:48.

particularly want it to be on some quayside in some dodgy port where it

:51:49.:51:55.

can be rifled by the Mafia. It is a balance we've got to find when we

:51:56.:51:59.

are talking about delivering aid, particularly to somewhere like

:52:00.:52:03.

Yemen, where you can put it into the country, maybe, but there it sits

:52:04.:52:09.

and someone then steals it. He has served in Yemen and he knows how

:52:10.:52:13.

lovely that country is when it is fully functioning, and he's

:52:14.:52:16.

absolutely right, it needs to get to the people that actually need it to

:52:17.:52:19.

avoid the famine that is coming its way very shortly. The second point I

:52:20.:52:24.

want to make, Madam Deputy Speaker, is about the Midlands engine. We

:52:25.:52:28.

have heard all about Birmingham and the West Midlands, I'm sure it has

:52:29.:52:33.

nothing to do with the fact that it is an election for mayor and that

:52:34.:52:37.

every! But people need to remember, the Government needs to remember,

:52:38.:52:43.

that there is more to the Midlands and Birmingham and other parts of

:52:44.:52:46.

the West Midlands, there is of course Leicester and the East

:52:47.:52:52.

Midlands. There is Sherwood. I received a letter from the Secretary

:52:53.:52:57.

of State for communities just now on my iPad, and Sherwood isn't even

:52:58.:53:01.

mentioned. I hope that the honourable member will make

:53:02.:53:04.

representations about that, because if we are only going to talk about

:53:05.:53:08.

the Midlands engine in respect of Birmingham and the West Midlands,

:53:09.:53:12.

then I think we are losing out in respect of a part of the Midlands

:53:13.:53:18.

that has been the driving force for business. There is huge amounts of

:53:19.:53:23.

talent and enterprise and expertise in so many small businesses in a

:53:24.:53:27.

place like Leicester. It is important that we spread the money

:53:28.:53:32.

out evenly throughout the whole of the Midlands. Now, I mentioned the

:53:33.:53:36.

Minister who is at the dispatch box sitting near the dispatch box

:53:37.:53:41.

earlier on as my favourite diabetes Minister, and I pay tribute for all

:53:42.:53:46.

of the work that she has done in the years that she has served in the

:53:47.:53:49.

Department for health, along with the member for North Norfolk. It was

:53:50.:53:53.

last year's Budget that gave us the sugar tax, and as a result of the

:53:54.:53:57.

sugar tax, which was actually resisted by some in government, that

:53:58.:54:04.

we have manufacturers now changing their formulas to ensure that, yes,

:54:05.:54:10.

less tax will be yielded from the sugar tax when it comes into effect,

:54:11.:54:16.

but actually, for our young people in particular, they will be able to

:54:17.:54:19.

eat products that have got less sugar in them. The latest commended

:54:20.:54:25.

by myself in an early day motion is of course Honey monster paths, that

:54:26.:54:32.

averages their sugar content for their breakfast cereal by 25%.

:54:33.:54:38.

Nestle announced yesterday, just before the Budget, that it would be

:54:39.:54:43.

reducing the sugar content of Kit Kat and other products by 10%. Those

:54:44.:54:47.

of us who frequently have to go to the tearoom to be met by all of

:54:48.:54:50.

those KitKats sitting over there, I am sure we are not seduced by those

:54:51.:54:56.

who run the tearoom, will be pleased to know that you probably were even

:54:57.:54:59.

taste the difference if 10% of the sugar is reduced from that content.

:55:00.:55:04.

However, it remains the case that what I would have liked to have seen

:55:05.:55:10.

is more focus on prevention. Prevention, prevention, profession.

:55:11.:55:14.

We spend money now, we will save money in the future. As we know, ?10

:55:15.:55:20.

billion was spent last year on dealing with diabetes and diabetes

:55:21.:55:28.

related expenditure. 80% are avoidable complications. And the

:55:29.:55:32.

only people who appear to be benefiting from this expenditure are

:55:33.:55:36.

in fact the drugs companies. Only two weeks ago, on my way back from

:55:37.:55:41.

Yemen, I stopped in Doha. Where I was taken, and I note the member

:55:42.:55:46.

will be fascinated by this because she has always wanted to create

:55:47.:55:51.

something like this, to a wellness centre that didn't just have a GP in

:55:52.:55:56.

it and a pharmacy and a podiatrist and ophthalmologists, but it also

:55:57.:56:00.

had a swimming pool, and it had a gym. So when you go to see your

:56:01.:56:05.

doctor, and you are about to be diagnosed or you have been diagnosed

:56:06.:56:11.

with diabetes, instead of you having to have, you are prescribed a

:56:12.:56:17.

session in the gym, or you are prescribed, if you can swim, sadly I

:56:18.:56:22.

can't swim, but if I was able to, a session in the swimming pool. That

:56:23.:56:26.

is the way in which we deal with diabetes and preventing diabetes,

:56:27.:56:33.

through prevention expenditure. And in her wind-up, I would very much

:56:34.:56:37.

like to hear a commitment from the Minister that prevention is going to

:56:38.:56:42.

be top of the agenda as far as health is concerned. Two final

:56:43.:56:46.

points. First of all on police funding. I was very surprised that

:56:47.:56:52.

the Chancellor did not suggest an increase in funding for the Home

:56:53.:56:57.

Office. Because they face two very difficult challenges. Last week,

:56:58.:57:02.

HMRC released a report on British policing, which described, and I

:57:03.:57:09.

quote, that it is in a potentially perilous state due to dangerous or

:57:10.:57:13.

disturbing practices. Now, the report itself is pretty damning. But

:57:14.:57:19.

I think unfair in that it places the burden on the police forces

:57:20.:57:24.

themselves. Actually, they have sustained enormous amounts of cuts

:57:25.:57:29.

to their Budgets over the last few years. And that means we are 19,000

:57:30.:57:34.

fewer police officers on our streets today. Other cuts in services to the

:57:35.:57:41.

police means that they cannot deliver on the kind of agenda that I

:57:42.:57:45.

know the Government and certainly the opposition want to see them

:57:46.:57:49.

deliver on, we are constantly told that crime is coming down. Well, it

:57:50.:57:54.

is coming down, but actually there few officers, the nature of crime

:57:55.:57:58.

has changed, it has gone from the High Street into cyberspace, lots of

:57:59.:58:04.

crimes, hundreds of thousands of crimes are now being committed on

:58:05.:58:11.

the internet, and unless we give the police more money, in order to fund

:58:12.:58:16.

training, we are not going to be able to deal with the kinds of

:58:17.:58:20.

crimes that are going to be inherent in our system over the next few

:58:21.:58:22.

years. 'S the second aspect of Home Office

:58:23.:58:30.

funding is that the Government, we knowingly" will have to give

:58:31.:58:34.

guarantee about the rights of EU citizens to remain in this country.

:58:35.:58:38.

There are 3.2 million who will have to be processed. Of course, if you

:58:39.:58:41.

have been here for five years, you have a right to remain here. You can

:58:42.:58:46.

become a permanent citizen, but you still have to apply and get your

:58:47.:58:51.

letter confirming this. The current waiting time is between four and

:58:52.:58:53.

seven months. The number of documents you have to fill in to

:58:54.:58:58.

confirm that you have been living here over the last five years is

:58:59.:59:03.

huge. You need every single absence from this country over the last five

:59:04.:59:09.

years. And what we need is a unit to be set up in the Home Office,

:59:10.:59:14.

properly funded, that can deal with the registration of EU citizens.

:59:15.:59:18.

Now, ministers may be grimacing at this prospect, but I'm afraid we're

:59:19.:59:22.

going to have to spend money to make sure this happens. Finally, on

:59:23.:59:28.

policing, we need to get the police funding formula in place, both in

:59:29.:59:31.

Essex, Madam Deputy Speaker, which is run by your Chief Constable

:59:32.:59:36.

Stephen Kavanagh, and in Leicester, where it is run by my Chief

:59:37.:59:44.

Constable, Simon Cole. There is a need to have a definitive statement

:59:45.:59:47.

of what the police funding formula is going to be. Unless we have this

:59:48.:59:54.

formula, we simply don't know how much money is available at a local

:59:55.:59:58.

level in order to spend on local matters. And that is why I think it

:59:59.:00:04.

is essential that we make sure that that happens. My very final point,

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and I am within your 12 minutes, Madam Deputy Speaker... Oh, almost!

:00:11.:00:20.

Maybe I can't count! Is a great feature of the previous Chancellor's

:00:21.:00:25.

Budgets is that he always had a surprise concerning culture. On the

:00:26.:00:33.

last occasion, he funded a commitment to Hull because they had

:00:34.:00:39.

become the City of Culture. I hope we will look at what can be done for

:00:40.:00:47.

Leicester, giving given that they are current holders of the Premier

:00:48.:00:51.

League trophy. It would be nice to see some kind of commitment... I

:00:52.:01:07.

hope than the -- I hope the Minister will consider something for

:01:08.:01:14.

Leicester. Can I just say that I think it is fair to comment that

:01:15.:01:17.

this particular Budget hasn't met with an alloy joy and enthusiasm

:01:18.:01:25.

across the country and in the media, and it may come as a surprise for

:01:26.:01:32.

the House that I am actually going to demonstrate a degree of

:01:33.:01:35.

enthusiasm for one particular piece of the Budget that I do think is

:01:36.:01:44.

highly commendable. I am, of course, talking about 5.10 on page 48 of the

:01:45.:01:52.

Redbook, where the Chancellor commits himself to reducing the

:01:53.:01:58.

burden on small cooperatives. I am enthusiastic about that. Personally,

:01:59.:02:10.

what is being proposed was in my ten minute rule Bill that I brought into

:02:11.:02:14.

the house on the 8th of November. Could I put on record my

:02:15.:02:20.

appreciation to the economic secretary who is in his place for

:02:21.:02:25.

discussing the implications of it with me afterwards, and say how much

:02:26.:02:29.

I welcomer and appreciate it being incorporated into this Budget. Can I

:02:30.:02:34.

also gently remind him that I made a couple of other recommendations

:02:35.:02:38.

during the same ten minute rule Bill that have yet to appear in the

:02:39.:02:43.

Budget, and I do hope that following further consultations, I will be

:02:44.:02:47.

able to praise him in future budget debates for implementing them as

:02:48.:02:51.

well. And could I make as a general point that I hope this will be a

:02:52.:02:56.

precedent for the Government opposite, and the Treasury in

:02:57.:02:59.

particular, listening to members on this side of the House and

:03:00.:03:03.

implementing some of the recommendations that they made,

:03:04.:03:07.

because I am sure it will benefit Budgets greatly in the future. My

:03:08.:03:14.

second issue, which again, is not totally critical of the Government,

:03:15.:03:21.

is to put on record my appreciation of the so-called Midlands Engine,

:03:22.:03:30.

the report that has been issued today, which not only recognises the

:03:31.:03:35.

role which the West Midlands has within the national economy, and the

:03:36.:03:40.

phenomenal, high-quality manufacturing base that it has,

:03:41.:03:45.

which is driving the economy, and above all, driving our exports, but

:03:46.:03:52.

also identifies the long-standing issues that are prevalent in the

:03:53.:03:57.

economy which need to be addressed if we are to reach our potential

:03:58.:04:03.

within the West Midlands area. And those, of course, are low

:04:04.:04:13.

productivity, skills, and difficulty with connectivity and transport

:04:14.:04:18.

infrastructure. Whilst I welcome the proposals, and the money which is

:04:19.:04:22.

being invested in it, can I make a couple of qualifying points, because

:04:23.:04:29.

I think there is very real danger that the potential benefit that

:04:30.:04:33.

accrues from this particular project could be undermined by some of the

:04:34.:04:37.

proposals which are contained within the Budget. The first is that if we

:04:38.:04:42.

are to improve our transport infrastructure, then that requires

:04:43.:04:50.

skills in construction, in particular, to be sustained. At the

:04:51.:04:58.

moment, something like 10% of the construction workforce consists of

:04:59.:05:07.

employees from outside of this country. If in the ensuing Brexit

:05:08.:05:12.

negotiations their position and the ability of construction firms to

:05:13.:05:20.

employ others to sustain the policies and extra investment that

:05:21.:05:24.

is being put into the West Midlands, that could undermine the ability of

:05:25.:05:30.

the Midlands Engine to reach its full potential. So, I do emphasise

:05:31.:05:36.

that within the negotiation on Brexit that takes place, there must

:05:37.:05:40.

be a provision for the construction industry to recruit personnel to

:05:41.:05:49.

fulfil those projects. The second point I would make is about

:05:50.:05:54.

education and skills, particularly relevant in my constituency and the

:05:55.:06:01.

Black Country. On the 24th of March, I am due to meet local headteachers

:06:02.:06:06.

to discuss the funding problems that they have in their schools,

:06:07.:06:12.

notwithstanding all the fine words that have been made about the Pupil

:06:13.:06:19.

Premium etc. Whilst in the Midlands Engine there is provision for

:06:20.:06:28.

promoting skills and science -based education, there is absolutely no

:06:29.:06:32.

point in putting that money in if we are not providing adequate funding

:06:33.:06:41.

at the original levels of education in primary and secondary school in

:06:42.:06:48.

order to ensure an adequate level of literacy, numeracy and other

:06:49.:06:51.

qualifications necessary to make the most of the money that the Midlands

:06:52.:06:58.

Engine is going to put in. At the moment, I think there is a question

:06:59.:07:06.

over whether that is such, and when I meet those headteachers, I very

:07:07.:07:10.

much guess that one of the things that will annoy them, it annoys me

:07:11.:07:18.

and a lot of people in the Black Country, is the Government's

:07:19.:07:24.

preoccupation with investing in unwanted selective schools whilst

:07:25.:07:30.

they neglect to invest appropriate levels in our existing school

:07:31.:07:36.

estate. I point to a National Audit Office report which says that

:07:37.:07:44.

immediately there is a ?1 billion need for investment in our existing

:07:45.:07:49.

school estate, to deal with immediate problems, and certainly,

:07:50.:07:55.

there are schools within my constituency that do need immediate

:07:56.:08:06.

investment. If that money is being put to promote new, selective

:08:07.:08:10.

schools, then you are, quite frankly, distorting and failing to

:08:11.:08:20.

realise the potential that there is from the pupils who attend the

:08:21.:08:30.

existing state school system, and the state school estate. I think

:08:31.:08:36.

that this is totally unacceptable. It is unwanted and really sticks in

:08:37.:08:44.

the craw of those people, day in, day out, who are trying to give our

:08:45.:08:51.

children the best education within the education system. I note in the

:08:52.:09:06.

Budget, that the new schools will average 3 million each. For the

:09:07.:09:14.

existing estate, over the course of three years, will get an extra

:09:15.:09:20.

?21,000. That is a huge disparity which is bound to prejudice the life

:09:21.:09:23.

opportunities of the many millions of students that are going into our

:09:24.:09:31.

existing state schools. If I can move on, whatever the fine words

:09:32.:09:43.

that the Chancellor used, and he could, shall we say, tell a good

:09:44.:09:52.

story, the fact is, however much he packages the statistics that the

:09:53.:10:06.

Budget is based on, the reality is that the previous Tory led

:10:07.:10:09.

Government, and so far this Government, have failed. The public

:10:10.:10:15.

sector deficit, which we must remember what is supposed to be

:10:16.:10:20.

eliminated by 2015, will certainly not be eliminated by 2021, and may

:10:21.:10:30.

well still be with us in 2025. Now, whatever happened to the long-term

:10:31.:10:37.

plan that was the mantra of the Tory led Government up to 2015 and the

:10:38.:10:42.

carefully choreographed comments that were made by every supporter of

:10:43.:10:47.

that Government as a basis for demonstrating the effectiveness or

:10:48.:10:52.

otherwise of their economic policy? The fact is, I don't recall anybody

:10:53.:10:56.

saying that that long-term plan might actually last until 2015.

:10:57.:11:05.

Indeed, now it's disappeared, it's evaporated, it's disappeared from

:11:06.:11:09.

the political lexicon of this House. It would be laughable were it not

:11:10.:11:15.

for the fact that so many people, millions of people, have enjoyed

:11:16.:11:21.

cuts in their wages. They have endured cuts in their public

:11:22.:11:28.

services, and in some cases, very real hardship indeed. As a result of

:11:29.:11:35.

that, we are now facing what I would call the perfect storm. We have the

:11:36.:11:41.

cumulative failure of austerity policies which have failed to

:11:42.:11:44.

generate the necessary tax receipts to pay off an adequate amount of our

:11:45.:11:51.

public debt. We have the increased demand placed on our public

:11:52.:11:54.

services, particularly social services and health, but in

:11:55.:12:00.

education as well, which will have to be met, one way or another, over

:12:01.:12:08.

the next few years. And then, of course, we have the uncertainty

:12:09.:12:09.

generated by Brexit. I couldn't help but be amazed by the

:12:10.:12:23.

phraseology used by the Chancellor over his decision to waive future

:12:24.:12:31.

fiscal targets in order to make available more money for what I

:12:32.:12:36.

think was originally called a fighting fund or war chest arising

:12:37.:12:41.

from Brexit. My understanding of either a fighting fund or a war

:12:42.:12:47.

chest is that this is money that is put away from existing consumption

:12:48.:12:50.

to use for the future and any problems that arise, rather than

:12:51.:12:56.

looking to the future, agreeing to keep debts on future generations to

:12:57.:13:04.

pay for the mistakes made in the present and the result of Brexit

:13:05.:13:08.

arising from this Government policy. So, Madam Deputy Speaker, I would

:13:09.:13:14.

have liked to have gone on, but I will try to stick to the 12 minute

:13:15.:13:22.

limit. The Government is now failing to address the big issues which have

:13:23.:13:33.

arisen from its failure to deal with public spending, the economy, over

:13:34.:13:37.

the last seven years. My honourable friend from Wallasey outlined her

:13:38.:13:42.

particular disappointment with the failure to recognise this and take

:13:43.:13:46.

the necessary big steps that have to be made in order to address it. I

:13:47.:13:53.

concur with that. In this respect I think the Budget is a major failure.

:13:54.:13:59.

It is a sticking plaster Budget. It spends money just to avert a crisis,

:14:00.:14:05.

without examining the underlying crises and the policies needed to

:14:06.:14:09.

address those crises for the benefit of everybody in the long run. I

:14:10.:14:15.

appreciate some honourable members have been sitting here all

:14:16.:14:18.

afternoon. And there is something a little unfair, but so lovely, I'm

:14:19.:14:25.

afraid we have to now limit people to ten minutes. Seema Malhotra.

:14:26.:14:30.

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to

:14:31.:14:33.

speak today and make a contribution to today's Budget debate. It is fair

:14:34.:14:37.

to say that the headlines today haven't gone perhaps as the

:14:38.:14:43.

Chancellor might have planned. Speight van man, Tories break tax

:14:44.:14:48.

foul, Phil picks a pocket or two, Rob the builder, White Van man gets

:14:49.:14:52.

battered by Budget, and that's just to name a few. It is a good example

:14:53.:14:57.

of how when you do things in a hurry you get things wrong. The Chancellor

:14:58.:15:02.

got it wrong yesterday, and if he takes anything away from the last 24

:15:03.:15:06.

hours it will be that he made the wrong choice at the wrong time and

:15:07.:15:11.

in the wrong way. That's why Labour, along with many on the Government

:15:12.:15:14.

side, will be opposing this move on the increase in National Insurance

:15:15.:15:21.

for the self-employed. This was a broken promise, and the Chancellor

:15:22.:15:26.

will rightly be in for a rocky ride. The Chancellor has used his first

:15:27.:15:30.

Budget to continue tax giveaways, Madam Deputy Speaker, for those at

:15:31.:15:34.

the top, whilst hitting self-employed workers and low and

:15:35.:15:39.

middle earners for about ?2 million to fill his own black hole. The

:15:40.:15:43.

Association of independent professionals of the self-employed

:15:44.:15:47.

described this tax hike as an additional burden upon individuals

:15:48.:15:50.

who are already subjected to costly, excessive bureaucracy. Anyone

:15:51.:15:59.

self-employed earning over ?16,250 per year will have to pay more tax.

:16:00.:16:05.

A self-employed person earning ?20,000 will warn current proposals

:16:06.:16:10.

pay almost ?100 more in NI from next year. And a self-employed person

:16:11.:16:16.

earning 30 grand will pay almost 300 more in National Insurance from next

:16:17.:16:22.

year. Up to 8000 small businesses who are self employed in my

:16:23.:16:25.

constituency could be affected by this change. And for a self-employed

:16:26.:16:30.

are now bringing up a family on around ?25,000, that could be around

:16:31.:16:35.

?15 to ?20 per month. It could becoming from school trips or score

:16:36.:16:38.

uniforms or putting food on the table. At the same time as inflation

:16:39.:16:45.

is going up and wage growth is being revised down, this measure

:16:46.:16:49.

implemented in this way will lead to yet another squeeze on household

:16:50.:16:54.

incomes. The last thing we want to see, Madam Deputy Speaker, is

:16:55.:16:57.

families borrowing more just to make ends meet. That just about managing

:16:58.:17:01.

could well become the just about managing no longer. The

:17:02.:17:07.

self-employed are the engine of the UK economy, and twice I have had

:17:08.:17:11.

periods of self-employment myself, and I know the challenges that face.

:17:12.:17:15.

You don't have the back-up and security of an employer to fund your

:17:16.:17:19.

pension, to pay for a training course, cover you with another

:17:20.:17:24.

member of staff if you sick or provide statutory holiday pay. It's

:17:25.:17:28.

hard and it's stressful. Alongside those rewards indeed of being

:17:29.:17:32.

independent and entrepreneurial. And because your income fluctuates, it

:17:33.:17:39.

can be harder to get a mortgage or indeed eventful agreement. This

:17:40.:17:41.

shouldn't be the chance for Government to show the self-employed

:17:42.:17:43.

that they are on their side. Indeed, the biggest difference in tax take

:17:44.:17:46.

between self-employment compare to employment lies in the 13.8%

:17:47.:17:52.

employer National Insurance, not the NI, paid by individuals. If the

:17:53.:17:56.

Government is serious about equalising tax treatment, it should

:17:57.:18:00.

also be focused as to how it works in partnership with the

:18:01.:18:02.

self-employed to balance and share risks to do the right thing. And

:18:03.:18:11.

bring forward any proposals after proper dialogue and consultation.

:18:12.:18:16.

Madam Deputy Speaker, I want to focus on a few other small points.

:18:17.:18:23.

In my contribution today. The first is on productivity. Productivity

:18:24.:18:27.

growth is set to be revised down again. And that is even after the UK

:18:28.:18:32.

productivity gap widened last year to the worst levels since records

:18:33.:18:38.

began. After seven years of Tory government, we still like over 30%

:18:39.:18:42.

behind Germany and the US. As the Chancellor said at the time of the

:18:43.:18:46.

Autumn Statement, the productivity gap is well-known. But it is

:18:47.:18:52.

shocking nevertheless. And why productivity is being revised down

:18:53.:18:57.

is not just about Brexit. It is a reflection of the Goverment's

:18:58.:18:59.

strategy and investment records. And its achievements, and its lack of

:19:00.:19:05.

achievement in this regard, rather than its recycled infrastructure

:19:06.:19:09.

plans. At some point, the Government has to take responsibility for its

:19:10.:19:12.

poor record on this. They now have no one else to blame. One example,

:19:13.:19:18.

Madam Deputy Speaker, with our record on school buildings. When

:19:19.:19:22.

this government came to power, they stopped the building schools for the

:19:23.:19:26.

future programme, and two schools in my constituency were affected. Now

:19:27.:19:29.

we see the outcome of the neglect of the Government in favour of a

:19:30.:19:32.

blindly ideological pursuit of support for free schools and grammar

:19:33.:19:37.

schools almost exclusively. Reports last month show the National Audit

:19:38.:19:41.

Office has copulated that ?6.7 billion is needed to build, to bring

:19:42.:19:46.

existing school buildings in England and Wales to a satisfactory

:19:47.:19:50.

standard. Ministers are choosing instead to give billions of pounds

:19:51.:19:54.

to fund new free schools, whilst existing schools are crumbling into

:19:55.:20:00.

disrepair. Not my view, but the conclusion of the Whitehall spending

:20:01.:20:03.

watchdog. The chair of the Public Accounts Committee called for the

:20:04.:20:08.

money to be reassigned and diverted to existing buildings. And said that

:20:09.:20:15.

the taxpayers' money, this taxpayers' money could otherwise be

:20:16.:20:19.

used to fund much-needed improvements. Take a second

:20:20.:20:24.

challenge, Madam Deputy Speaker. The UK is 54th out of 80 countries

:20:25.:20:29.

surveyed for 4G coverage, with levels lower than Bulgaria, Albania

:20:30.:20:33.

and Romania. This is the fifth time the government have announced its

:20:34.:20:37.

highly limited roll-out of fibre broadband. And once the roll-out is

:20:38.:20:42.

complete, only 7% of homes and businesses will have benefited.

:20:43.:20:46.

Madam Deputy Speaker, Corporation Tax cuts brought in by this Budget

:20:47.:20:52.

and previous Budgets, where tax cuts were dropped to 19% this year, 18%

:20:53.:20:58.

and then 17% the year after, taking billion pounds out of public

:20:59.:21:03.

finances in this Parliament. That is a direct cost to the taxpayer. The

:21:04.:21:08.

irony is that there isn't a single business, large or small, that I

:21:09.:21:12.

have talked to, and I talked to many, who has put Corporation Tax

:21:13.:21:15.

levels are the top of their wish list. They have raised with the

:21:16.:21:18.

infrastructure, affordable housing for employees to be able to live

:21:19.:21:24.

nearby where they work, they have raised education and skills, they

:21:25.:21:28.

have raised the issues of public transport and its affordability too.

:21:29.:21:35.

But this decision alone, and the decision to go ahead with

:21:36.:21:39.

Corporation Tax cuts at this level is a self. Black hole that the

:21:40.:21:42.

Government now needs to fill. And they are plugging this gap with the

:21:43.:21:46.

earnings of the self-employed and cutting the amount spent on

:21:47.:21:49.

children's education. In recent weeks and months, teachers have told

:21:50.:21:53.

me about growing parent poverty, about kids coming to school hungry

:21:54.:21:57.

or without green school uniforms. Parents are unable sometimes to be

:21:58.:22:01.

able to afford those school trips. Schools are having to cut teaching

:22:02.:22:05.

posts and non-teaching welfare and support staff. Curriculum teaching

:22:06.:22:16.

time has been reduced. The school day has been shortened. Combine that

:22:17.:22:18.

with the pressure teachers are facing, as school pupil numbers

:22:19.:22:20.

increase and they are facing with increasing class sizes. And with

:22:21.:22:22.

increasing numbers of children facing mental health conditions who

:22:23.:22:24.

are then unable to get the support that they need. How can the

:22:25.:22:27.

Government be proud of this record? Which is the reality of what a

:22:28.:22:31.

wonderful schools are facing, and the worst that they have known in a

:22:32.:22:34.

generation. The Government should indeed delay or abandon their

:22:35.:22:40.

Corporation Tax cuts and by supporting those schools working

:22:41.:22:44.

hard to make sure that there the children of our country get the

:22:45.:22:47.

education that they need. And indeed they should be looking at a minimum

:22:48.:22:52.

delaying the apprenticeship levy applying to schools. It is also

:22:53.:22:59.

worth a mention, Madam Deputy Speaker, of one of a lost

:23:00.:23:03.

opportunity. In his 2015 Budget, the former Chancellor announced that he

:23:04.:23:09.

would hike the tax take on dividend income by 7.5%. This change only

:23:10.:23:13.

took effect in April 2016, many of my meaning people could bring their

:23:14.:23:17.

dividends forward by a year to avoid it. Once other factors are taking

:23:18.:23:22.

into account, the ABI estimates that preannouncing this policy cost the

:23:23.:23:26.

treasury 800 Moeen pounds and handed shareholders that same amount. Each

:23:27.:23:33.

of those individuals withdrew an average of ?30 million in dividends

:23:34.:23:37.

and avoided ?1.1 million in tax. That is a pretty devastating

:23:38.:23:41.

conclusion, Madam Deputy Speaker, and another example of how this

:23:42.:23:44.

Government has continued to give to those who already have and take away

:23:45.:23:48.

from those who need the most. In closing, Madam Deputy Speaker, we

:23:49.:23:55.

need better than this. We need a strategy that addresses the needs

:23:56.:23:59.

and the challenges that businesses and families in our constituencies

:24:00.:24:05.

are facing. A proper plan for funding public services, an economic

:24:06.:24:08.

plan that suggests a clear sense of direction, and honest assessment of

:24:09.:24:11.

the risks of Brexit and a sensible response to those risks. What was

:24:12.:24:16.

missing here was a proper vision of our future and a pathway for how we

:24:17.:24:21.

get there. It was an unfair Budget, it made the wrong choices, and it is

:24:22.:24:24.

set to leave as poorer and less prosperous as a nation. Thank you.

:24:25.:24:30.

After all of the spin around this Budget, which hasn't exactly gone to

:24:31.:24:35.

plan, let's look at the facts. We have seen the worst decades for pay

:24:36.:24:39.

growth in two centuries of data according to the Resolution

:24:40.:24:43.

Foundation. We see GDP growth being overplayed and inflation being on

:24:44.:24:46.

the plate. GDP growth is actually it acted to flatten, as well as

:24:47.:24:50.

inflation, which has sped up in the last few weeks according to much of

:24:51.:24:53.

the data out there. It squeezes living standards and consumer

:24:54.:24:58.

spending, which we have heard, has been largely driven by a credit card

:24:59.:25:01.

room dries up, again creating a false impression of what is

:25:02.:25:06.

happening. We have seen borrowing continuing to rise, and expected to

:25:07.:25:09.

rise further. The bureau has made clear that in their words the

:25:10.:25:15.

Government do not appear to be on a track to return public finances to

:25:16.:25:17.

balance at the earliest possible date in the next Parliament as they

:25:18.:25:21.

promise. On productivity, the Chancellor did a very good job, I

:25:22.:25:24.

have to say, about climbing just what a bad job is two recessive

:25:25.:25:33.

Conservative governors have done. We are 35% behind Germany, and behind

:25:34.:25:37.

the G7 average. What another have they been doing for the last seven

:25:38.:25:41.

years that we are in that position? -- what on earth? We see small

:25:42.:25:47.

businesses hit not only by the National Insurance contributions

:25:48.:25:49.

issue, which I will come to in a moment, but also the reduction in

:25:50.:25:52.

the dividend allowance that we have spoken about, and of course the

:25:53.:25:56.

additional red tape unburdened through things like the quarterly

:25:57.:26:00.

reporting. The fact is, we can talk about all of those statistics and

:26:01.:26:04.

real things that are going on in the economy. But the real impact I am

:26:05.:26:09.

interested in on those of my constituents in Cardiff and Penarth

:26:10.:26:12.

and the Vale of Glamorgan. I'm proud that we have a Welsh Labour

:26:13.:26:16.

government that is investing in our schools and hospitals and we seeing

:26:17.:26:19.

new schools and hospitals being built, more spent together an NHS

:26:20.:26:23.

and social care together than the average in England, and indeed we

:26:24.:26:27.

have councils in Cardiff and the Vale of Glamorgan that are doing

:26:28.:26:30.

their best to invest in our local services and protect people who are

:26:31.:26:38.

suffering as a result of the policies of the Tory government in

:26:39.:26:40.

Westminster. But the fact remains, Madam Deputy Speaker, that the

:26:41.:26:42.

Joseph Riley foundation says that ordinary working families by 2020

:26:43.:26:47.

will be worse off since 2015, a couple both working full-time on the

:26:48.:26:51.

National Living Wage, the so-called National Living Wage, with two

:26:52.:26:55.

children will see their incomes down by ?1051. A lone parent working

:26:56.:26:59.

full-time on the assure living wage with two it will be down three 3363.

:27:00.:27:07.

It is those constituents who tell me about the challenges and hardships

:27:08.:27:10.

they are facing, not the spin that we get from this government. I want

:27:11.:27:15.

to turn to the issue of self-employment and the issues

:27:16.:27:17.

around the National Insurance contributions rise, which I think

:27:18.:27:20.

has been a huge mistake in the way the Government have approached this

:27:21.:27:24.

policy. It is clear, I will give way in a second, but it is clear there

:27:25.:27:29.

are huge additional costs and risks for those working in the

:27:30.:27:31.

self-employed sector, I speak to many self-employed people every week

:27:32.:27:43.

in my surgeries, I have spoken to a lot of taxi drivers recently, which

:27:44.:27:45.

I will come onto. The fact surrounded, the lack of benefits

:27:46.:27:47.

they have, the increase premiums on insurance, difficulty getting a

:27:48.:27:49.

mortgage, fixed costs they face of huge. There is some abuse on the

:27:50.:27:52.

margins of self-employment is, we must address the issue of bogus of

:27:53.:27:56.

employment. Hitting a whole swathe of self-employed people as a crude

:27:57.:27:59.

measure and it can have hugely differential and damaging impacts on

:28:00.:28:00.

some sectors and groups. My honourable friend refers to the

:28:01.:28:09.

fact that it has been a mistake. It also appears to be the case that the

:28:10.:28:22.

member Aberconwy on radio Wales said that I will apologise to every

:28:23.:28:25.

reader who read that manifesto in 2011. Is my honourable friend aware

:28:26.:28:31.

of that? I was not aware of those comments, but as someone who listens

:28:32.:28:38.

to that station regularly, I will be interested and will be listening

:28:39.:28:42.

very carefully to what he has said. I hope his ministerial colleagues

:28:43.:28:45.

listen, because it is clear there was much disquiet on the Government

:28:46.:28:49.

benches, and that is perhaps why there are so few of them today and

:28:50.:28:53.

why those who have spoken have been critical of these decisions. The

:28:54.:28:59.

fact is, there are 4.8 million people self-employed, nearly 5000 in

:29:00.:29:02.

Cardiff South and Penarth. It is all very well to say this measure does

:29:03.:29:10.

not affect the very poorest, the fact is that no amount of

:29:11.:29:16.

distributional analysis can reflect the reality and impact to those in

:29:17.:29:25.

the middle that the Government was so keen to say there were trying to

:29:26.:29:29.

support. The fact is, they have been shafted. This Government is not

:29:30.:29:36.

helping but doing the absolute opposites. The Federation of Small

:29:37.:29:41.

Businesses said this is a tax grab on people who are just about

:29:42.:29:44.

managing. I work closely with the musicians union and those working in

:29:45.:29:49.

the creative industries, who have said the Conservative Government had

:29:50.:29:53.

done nothing but cut funding for the arts and music, and now they are

:29:54.:29:59.

penalising musicians further by increasing their tax contributions.

:30:00.:30:02.

Federation of small business at one end, those representing the creative

:30:03.:30:05.

industries at the other, decrying this measure. I want to speak

:30:06.:30:10.

briefly about the reality of life of one group of workers, self-employed

:30:11.:30:13.

at the moment, though many would argue that they are employed, and

:30:14.:30:18.

this is a subject of legal cases going on, and that is taxi drivers.

:30:19.:30:23.

I am proud to have been working with the GMB yet locally to listen to the

:30:24.:30:28.

concerns of taxi drivers in Cardiff, the Vale of Glamorgan and across

:30:29.:30:33.

South Wales. The reality is, they are hard-working people, they are

:30:34.:30:36.

striving, trying to make a difference for their families, but

:30:37.:30:40.

they are struggling with the costs they face from the companies they

:30:41.:30:44.

are engaged with, the finds and administration fees, the cost of

:30:45.:30:51.

fuel, of replacing windows when they don't fit with the regulations which

:30:52.:30:55.

vary so much across the country, often trapped in low paid account

:30:56.:30:59.

work which does not reflect the time and effort they put in for the wages

:31:00.:31:04.

they receive, the differential insurance costs they face. For

:31:05.:31:11.

example, when cards from other local authorities are working in Cardiff,

:31:12.:31:26.

they undercut the local drivers. The result so the fact that licenses

:31:27.:31:30.

granted without any cap, which ignores demand. People are striving

:31:31.:31:36.

the margins, and they can barely afford that additional ?40 that this

:31:37.:31:40.

measure will bring in, and they are the ones who will be hardest hit,

:31:41.:31:44.

and they are already hard-hit by many other measures. I accept that

:31:45.:31:49.

this is just one measure hitting those in self-employment, and

:31:50.:31:55.

obviously, companies are using the self-employed in these ways. I have

:31:56.:31:58.

been speaking to companies in Cardiff and I am concerned that some

:31:59.:32:05.

taxi companies are not willing to meet with drivers to discuss

:32:06.:32:09.

concerns, nor to meet with the GMB, which is a concern. Fundamentally,

:32:10.:32:14.

what is the Government doing to help people like this who just want a

:32:15.:32:17.

level playing field and to have enough money to support their

:32:18.:32:21.

families? I mention the creative industries - we have loads of

:32:22.:32:28.

start-up creative companies, design, music, technology, who will all be

:32:29.:32:32.

hit badly by these changes. What is the Government doing to support

:32:33.:32:37.

them? And finally, Brexit - where on earth was it? The biggest economic

:32:38.:32:43.

challenge facing this country in generations, not mentioned, no

:32:44.:32:46.

answers on the question of the additional debt that the OBR has

:32:47.:32:50.

predicted will be added to the national debt, no answers on whether

:32:51.:32:55.

Wales will be worse off as a result of the changes to regional finance

:32:56.:32:58.

and structural funds, no answers to the exchange rate volatility, no

:32:59.:33:04.

answers on the single market, the impact of tariffs if we end up in

:33:05.:33:08.

the deal or no Deal situation that the Prime Minister seems to be

:33:09.:33:11.

leading us towards. Where was that? Utterly responsible. And where was

:33:12.:33:16.

climate change, support the steel industry, support for veterans,

:33:17.:33:19.

younger veterans who are struggling with house and -- housing costs?

:33:20.:33:28.

Where was the action to write the injustices for women pensioners? We

:33:29.:33:31.

heard from thousands of them, hundreds from Wales, speaking out.

:33:32.:33:40.

Where was the money for the police cuts? The police are suffering huge

:33:41.:33:45.

pressures, as the former chair of the home affairs committee set up.

:33:46.:33:55.

This is one of the thinnest Budget books we have seen in this house.

:33:56.:34:00.

The reason is, never as a whole lot missing. The Chancellor will have to

:34:01.:34:07.

do a lot of rethinking. -- there is a whole lot missing. It is a

:34:08.:34:11.

pleasure to follow the honourable gentleman. Clearly, the Labour Party

:34:12.:34:17.

have a rich vein of irony. They are masquerading as the friends of the

:34:18.:34:20.

entrepreneur and the self-employed. Perhaps the white van man task force

:34:21.:34:25.

will be headed up by the Honourable lady for Islington South and

:34:26.:34:28.

Finsbury, who has a great affinity with white van man. They must be

:34:29.:34:35.

living on a different planet to the rest of us, because what this Budget

:34:36.:34:40.

was was a consolidation of seven years of work to rescue this

:34:41.:34:43.

country's fiscal credibility from the disastrous mess of the Labour

:34:44.:34:49.

Party and record peacetime debt that we had in 2010. I have to say, in 12

:34:50.:34:55.

years in the House, I have rarely seen a poorer budget response than

:34:56.:34:59.

from the Leader of the Opposition. No wonder his own MPs had their

:35:00.:35:05.

heads in their hands. I would like to conclude my remarks. If we talk

:35:06.:35:10.

about honesty and being up front, even today, the Shadow Chancellor is

:35:11.:35:17.

quoted as saying within 100 days of a Labour Government, we will see the

:35:18.:35:20.

end of nuclear power. It is a different argument from two weeks

:35:21.:35:26.

ago in Copeland, when his leader was saying that nuclear power was safe

:35:27.:35:31.

under Labour. What we have seen in the Budget is a consolidation too of

:35:32.:35:35.

this Government's industrial strategy, which is a recognition

:35:36.:35:40.

that many people in the country, particularly outside London, felt

:35:41.:35:44.

that the benefits of globalisation were not flowing to them and their

:35:45.:35:48.

communities and infrastructure. And it is right to address that, and

:35:49.:35:54.

this Budget is about that. Because they felt that some of the forces of

:35:55.:35:59.

globalisation had passed them by. That is wider context of Brexit, but

:36:00.:36:03.

because of my departmental responsibilities, I won't go further

:36:04.:36:07.

on that. In the last seven years we have seen a jobs miracle. In my

:36:08.:36:12.

constituency, we have seen record growth in private sector jobs. We

:36:13.:36:18.

have seen a drop in needs and youth unemployment. 1.9% unemployment in

:36:19.:36:25.

the last figures, the lowest in eight years. We have seen an

:36:26.:36:29.

increase in living standards, the highest in 14 years, and we have

:36:30.:36:32.

seen an increase over the last quarter or so in real wages. We have

:36:33.:36:41.

was 10.1% of GDP under the Labour was 10.1% of GDP under the Labour

:36:42.:36:45.

Government, and it is now 4%. The Government has tackled some of those

:36:46.:36:49.

key issues which were imported around the skills agenda. We are

:36:50.:36:57.

seeing a university technical College which is attracting new

:36:58.:37:01.

students. We are seeing more money for retraining the workforce - ?40

:37:02.:37:09.

million. And we are seeing important issues such as infrastructure

:37:10.:37:16.

spending on roads and broadband is being considered by the Chancellor.

:37:17.:37:21.

And welfare too. It is certainly the case that welfare is an issue that

:37:22.:37:25.

transcends party politics, but I am proud that this Government has

:37:26.:37:29.

worked on the basis that the number-1 predominant issue of

:37:30.:37:34.

getting people out of poverty and the miserable cycle of welfare

:37:35.:37:38.

dependency is to get them into work. Therefore, to take people from

:37:39.:37:45.

workless households and give them work is massively important to

:37:46.:37:48.

changing their lives. And it doesn't help the Labour Party propagating

:37:49.:37:54.

this myth about zero-hours contracts, which in any case, for

:37:55.:37:58.

the people who have them, it is a decision that they themselves make,

:37:59.:38:04.

which affects their lives and choices. 97.1% of people are not on

:38:05.:38:09.

zero-hours contracts, though you wouldn't know that if you listened

:38:10.:38:13.

to the Labour Party. I agree too that it is vital that social care

:38:14.:38:19.

funding is vital. It builds on the precept we have already put in place

:38:20.:38:24.

and builds on the better care fund that the Labour Party did nothing

:38:25.:38:31.

about in 13 years of benign economic circumstances. Nothing about social

:38:32.:38:40.

care at all. They sold the gold, they ruined our Private pension

:38:41.:38:45.

schemes, and they racked up massive, record levels of debt. We are

:38:46.:38:51.

spending serious money, ?10 billion by the end of this Parliament, on

:38:52.:38:59.

schools improvement. It is the labile levelling down approach,

:39:00.:39:01.

attacking people who are aspirational and ambitious for their

:39:02.:39:06.

children. Grammar schools are awful. That is what the rich do, what the

:39:07.:39:12.

middle-class do. Actually, it's about equality, about improvement of

:39:13.:39:16.

people's lives, about reducing those differences, and it is taking people

:39:17.:39:20.

from modest backgrounds and giving them a real stake in their future.

:39:21.:39:24.

And the Labour Party have always been against this, against

:39:25.:39:28.

share-ownership, against right to buy, against grammar schools. It is

:39:29.:39:31.

all about levelling down and sharing the level of misery amongst

:39:32.:39:38.

everyone, which is what socialism is all about. We are dedicated to

:39:39.:39:42.

improving the living standards of all-out people. As Disraeli said,

:39:43.:39:48.

the aim of the Conservative Party is the elevation of the condition of

:39:49.:39:53.

the working class, and that is our watchword. It is about social

:39:54.:39:58.

progress, and that is why people will see a ?500 pay rise this year

:39:59.:40:02.

with a national living wage. 1 million people will get a pay rise

:40:03.:40:08.

as it goes to ?7.50. The personal allowance has risen for seven years

:40:09.:40:12.

in a row. We have frozen fuel duty for working people needing their

:40:13.:40:17.

cars to go to work. Free childcare. And we have tackled productivity

:40:18.:40:22.

issues. The honourable gentleman says we haven't, but we have put

:40:23.:40:26.

money into broadband, to traffic congestion at pinch points. Of

:40:27.:40:31.

course, there will be difficult choices that we have to make. On the

:40:32.:40:36.

specific issue of national insurance, it is much more about the

:40:37.:40:39.

regularisation on simplification of the tax system -- and simplification

:40:40.:40:47.

of the taxes, but it is also about fairness. The gentleman may shake

:40:48.:40:50.

head, but the resolution foundation has not always supported the

:40:51.:40:56.

Government measures, but it does today. The in situ official studies

:40:57.:41:01.

has done the same thing. -- the Institute for Fiscal Studies. The

:41:02.:41:06.

Labour Party is against fiscal fairness, against making the

:41:07.:41:10.

necessary changes to fun things like social care. The question I have,

:41:11.:41:20.

and I haven't got an answer from the front bench, or Continuity Blair on

:41:21.:41:24.

the backbenches, and I would like to see the dynamic duo from Ilford, but

:41:25.:41:35.

we don't have a coherent, comprehensive, plausible Government

:41:36.:41:39.

policy on tax and spending. All it is is more tax, more borrowing, more

:41:40.:41:45.

spending, more debt, a millstone for our children. That's the Labour

:41:46.:41:50.

Party for you. So, if I can say, Madam Deputy Speaker, that there are

:41:51.:41:56.

certain things I would like to have seen in this budget which I haven't

:41:57.:42:05.

seen - more taxes on tobacco, I support the sugar tax. I am not a

:42:06.:42:09.

libertarian but a social conservative and I think we should

:42:10.:42:13.

reflect the fact that we need to support the health impact of sugar

:42:14.:42:22.

in diet. I would like more help in the Autumn Statement, as has been

:42:23.:42:26.

said by my honourable friend for Harrow East, fire housing, to build

:42:27.:42:30.

affordable housing to get younger people on the housing ladder. We

:42:31.:42:34.

need to do more specifically about tax advantages for, for instance,

:42:35.:42:39.

Brownfield remediation. Help for extra care facilities for older

:42:40.:42:48.

people. Residential estate trust, and we need more house-builder to

:42:49.:42:50.

get back in a market and build homes.

:42:51.:42:59.

It would be remiss of me not to say that the king's school and Arthur

:43:00.:43:07.

Miller college are concerned about this. I will speak quietly and

:43:08.:43:15.

privately to the Chancellor. As a finishing conclusion, Madam Deputy

:43:16.:43:19.

Speaker, my party is proud of our achieve. Over the last seveners in

:43:20.:43:24.

turning around this country and this economy from the disastrous heritage

:43:25.:43:28.

of the Labour Party and the legacy they left. My party believes in

:43:29.:43:34.

social progress, prudent Government, fiscal responsibility and it falls

:43:35.:43:37.

to a Conservative Party, as ever throughout history, to build a

:43:38.:43:40.

country that works for everyone. Thank you. We've had a wide range of

:43:41.:43:51.

speeches, hasn't we this afternoon? We heard from the honourable

:43:52.:43:58.

remembers from Richmond Yorkshire, from Esher and Walton, Harrow East

:43:59.:44:01.

and Peterborough. The member for North Norfolk who is no longer here

:44:02.:44:08.

and some excellent speeches from Wallasey; Croydon North, Bristol

:44:09.:44:16.

ease, my Right Honourable friend from Bristol East, Cardiff West. I

:44:17.:44:19.

mainly want to talk about social care, but I do wish to mention the

:44:20.:44:27.

absence of any Budget help for 1950s women struggling without their state

:44:28.:44:36.

pensions due to the 1995 and I am sad that the Chancellor could not

:44:37.:44:41.

find ?10 million for the children's funeral fund. Campaigned for so ably

:44:42.:44:46.

by my Right Honourable friend for Swansea East. My local authority has

:44:47.:44:50.

recently announced that despite cuts from central Government it will

:44:51.:44:54.

waive fees for children's burials. I don't think all the weight of that

:44:55.:44:58.

should be put on to councils. I hope that this Budget would final will I

:44:59.:45:01.

see the funding commitment needed from Government to start to put the

:45:02.:45:05.

social care sector on a stable footing. The Chancellor said that

:45:06.:45:09.

everyone should be able to enjoy security and dignity in old age.

:45:10.:45:14.

Despite his rhetoric it is clear his Budget did not match up to that aim.

:45:15.:45:19.

As we have heard the King's Fund has put the gap at ?2 billion. Yesterday

:45:20.:45:23.

the Chancellor announced additional funding of ?2 billion over three

:45:24.:45:27.

years, of which only ?1 billion would be available this year. This

:45:28.:45:32.

is half of what is needed to deal with the immediate crisis. This will

:45:33.:45:36.

keep the wolf from the door, but no more. We need to bear in mind and

:45:37.:45:39.

there's been a lot of discussion about the future and what will

:45:40.:45:45.

happen with this extra funding that post Budget figures for adult social

:45:46.:45:51.

care show 2.1% cut between. So this, in this Parliament it is still being

:45:52.:45:55.

cut. Now, we on this side of the House, along with council leaders,

:45:56.:45:59.

social care providers and health leaders have warned this Government

:46:00.:46:04.

for many months about the state of the social care sector. The King's

:46:05.:46:10.

Fund said adult social care is radically becoming little more than

:46:11.:46:17.

a thread bear safety net and last week Mighty off loaded its two home

:46:18.:46:23.

care businesses for ?2. A clear deep tracing of the fragility of the

:46:24.:46:27.

current care market. That had providing support to 10,000 people

:46:28.:46:33.

and employed 6,000 staff, reduced to only being worth ?2. It has taken

:46:34.:46:37.

until now for the Government to heed the many warnings and they were

:46:38.:46:40.

wrong to wait so long to act. Just as they were wrong to cut local

:46:41.:46:45.

Government Budgets by 40% since 2010. Which has led to cuts of ?2.5

:46:46.:46:50.

billion from adult social care Budgets by the end of this financial

:46:51.:46:56.

year. I thank my honourable friend for giving way. Does she recognise

:46:57.:47:00.

that some of the cuts and benefits, particularly to Housing Benefit will

:47:01.:47:04.

have a huge effect on extra care, which is keeping large numbers of

:47:05.:47:10.

people very happy and well looked after and protected in those

:47:11.:47:15.

arrangements, who can't be, who cannot pay for them if Housing

:47:16.:47:20.

Benefit goes. And keeping them, moving them into nursing care will

:47:21.:47:24.

cost far more a week. That is another ticking time bomb. This

:47:25.:47:30.

whole thing about extra care housing. The Chancellor was wrong,

:47:31.:47:35.

in my view, not to make any extra funding available for funding

:47:36.:47:38.

available in the Autumn Statement. Ministers put the burden of social

:47:39.:47:42.

funding care on to councils and coup till taxpayers. The finance

:47:43.:47:48.

settlement compounded the mess by creating the grant by recycling

:47:49.:47:55.

monny the new home's bonus. This made one-third of councils worse of,

:47:56.:47:59.

including my council which loses an extra ?2 million from budgets this

:48:00.:48:05.

year. One council who did not lose out was Surrey County Council which

:48:06.:48:10.

will gain pntsds 9 million extra. -- ?9 million extra. The settlement was

:48:11.:48:16.

made when Surrey was in the middle of a long drawn out lobby of

:48:17.:48:20.

ministers to get more funding for that council for social care. Last

:48:21.:48:27.

night, Surrey County Council released texts and documents about

:48:28.:48:32.

that that was enjoyed with ministers and advisers. My local authority

:48:33.:48:35.

asked for a meeting the community secretary to discuss our difficult

:48:36.:48:38.

financial situation and the loss of funding for social care.

:48:39.:48:43.

We were given a 30-minute meeting with one of the parliamentary

:48:44.:48:50.

undersecretaries. However the leader of Surrey County Council was having

:48:51.:48:53.

meetings with the Secretary of State on three occasions. There were a

:48:54.:48:59.

number of further meetings to discuss the situation, involving the

:49:00.:49:03.

Chancellor, the Health Secretary and other Surrey MPs. There was also a

:49:04.:49:07.

substantial stream of letters, e-mails and texts. Some of these may

:49:08.:49:12.

make surprising reading. There were some frustration expressed by the

:49:13.:49:18.

Secretary of State with one Surrey MP saying "I was led to understand

:49:19.:49:22.

before Christmas that he would try very hard to help Surrey after the

:49:23.:49:28.

worst of its Government dictated financial dilemma. If they were

:49:29.:49:32.

prudent enough not to have ?40 million hidden under the

:49:33.:49:36.

departmental sofa for this mrgesy or problem - - emergency or problem. If

:49:37.:49:41.

all this money is allocated, then the Secretary of State still has the

:49:42.:49:45.

option offed a justing all other council -- option of adjusting all

:49:46.:49:48.

other council settlements, to accommodate the ?31 million needed

:49:49.:49:54.

for Surrey. I think he should be encouraged to do this." In Jan,

:49:55.:49:58.

getting help from Government this time. We need to kick up such a fuss

:49:59.:50:03.

that ministers and civil sister vaments do remember, at the very

:50:04.:50:08.

least, they will -- servants do remember, at the very least... That

:50:09.:50:13.

refers to the new funding formula. All this about a council which the

:50:14.:50:17.

Chancellor told them in a letter in December, Surrey's core spending

:50:18.:50:23.

power in 2016/17 decreased by 1%, compared to 2% for Shire counties.

:50:24.:50:29.

Over the lifetime of this Parliament Surrey's core spending power is

:50:30.:50:34.

expected to increase by 1.5%, compared to a flat cash settlement

:50:35.:50:38.

for local Government as a whole. Now it seems that ministers were not

:50:39.:50:45.

ready to listen to most authorities and their regulator about the

:50:46.:50:48.

fragile state of social care funding. It is clear from all of the

:50:49.:50:53.

correspondents and I do recommend that honourable members read that.

:50:54.:50:58.

It is very interesting. That relying on council tax and business rates to

:50:59.:51:01.

fund social care will not give us the fair and stable system we need.

:51:02.:51:08.

As I said earlier, there will be cuts of 2.1% social care up to

:51:09.:51:13.

2019/20. What we have in this Budget is a sticking plaster or a stop gap

:51:14.:51:17.

announcement. And that will not give older and

:51:18.:51:21.

vulnerable people the security and dignity in old age that the

:51:22.:51:25.

Chancellor claimed and it will not enable us to deal with the

:51:26.:51:33.

continuing demograhic challenges. Those over 75 is projected to

:51:34.:51:40.

double. The Government has created fear and uncertainty by failing to

:51:41.:51:43.

address the health and care challenges raised by those

:51:44.:51:46.

challenges. The Chancellor said that the Government is intending to

:51:47.:51:49.

produce a green paper in the autumn on long-term funding options and

:51:50.:51:52.

there's been some discussion about that in this debate. Given what we

:51:53.:51:57.

have had, the Barker review and the Dilnot Commission, there are fears

:51:58.:52:00.

that the Government could be kicking this issue once again into the long

:52:01.:52:05.

grass and I hope not. Because cuts to social care budgets hit people

:52:06.:52:10.

who need care. But they also hit the 6.5 million unpaid family carers.

:52:11.:52:15.

And Carers UK tell us an estimated 1.6 million people currently provide

:52:16.:52:19.

50 hours or more of care per week. That is an increase of one-third

:52:20.:52:24.

since 2001. Two million people have given up work at some point to care

:52:25.:52:29.

for loved ones and three million carers have had to reduce their

:52:30.:52:34.

working hours, not good for their finances and many fall into poverty

:52:35.:52:38.

as time goes on. As people live longer with disabilities and

:52:39.:52:41.

long-term health conditions, more of us will find ourselves having to

:52:42.:52:46.

take on a caring role. Sadly, this Budget offered nothing to carers as

:52:47.:52:50.

it offered nothing to 1950s women and offered nothing to families who

:52:51.:52:55.

were bereaved after losing children. Fog for carers. No extra -- nothing

:52:56.:53:01.

for carers, no extra support. I would say to the minister ?120

:53:02.:53:08.

million wow deliver a three-hour respite break for 40,000 carers

:53:09.:53:11.

providing full-time care. We know the Government has chosen to

:53:12.:53:17.

prioritise cuts to inheritance tax and ignore the increased burden on

:53:18.:53:22.

unpaid family carers. It has also failed to recognise the social care

:53:23.:53:25.

crisis is not just about older people. The Chancellor talked about

:53:26.:53:29.

the impact that the ?2 billion over three years will have on delayed

:53:30.:53:32.

discharges. But as councils have reminded us this week, other groups

:53:33.:53:37.

of people need social care, including people with learning

:53:38.:53:42.

disabilities. Around one-third of councils spending care spending,

:53:43.:53:46.

some ?5 billion goes on supporting adults with learning disabilities.

:53:47.:53:50.

That is a fact that Surrey MPs must understand after all the

:53:51.:53:53.

correspondence from their leader, who spent a lot of time trying to

:53:54.:53:57.

make clear what within issue that was for councils. Now we had an

:53:58.:54:02.

excellent debate in Westminster Hall earlier on social care in Liverpool.

:54:03.:54:06.

We heard that Liverpool had lost almost 60% of its grant from 2010.

:54:07.:54:11.

And that will reach cuts of 68% by 2020. And cuts to social care there

:54:12.:54:17.

have meant funding for care packages had to be cut from 14,000 to 9,000

:54:18.:54:22.

people. A loss of 5,000 people not getting care packages any more. So

:54:23.:54:27.

Surrey, which has had so much attention did not get cutle over

:54:28.:54:32.

that level. Their cuts were 28%. Social care spending there has

:54:33.:54:38.

increased from ?273 million to ?366 million. I want to make an

:54:39.:54:43.

observation about the new allocations for the ?2 billion the

:54:44.:54:46.

Government has announced. I observe and that is all I can do because the

:54:47.:54:50.

figures have only just arrived that the allocation of ?1 billion across

:54:51.:54:55.

year one, two-thirds of a billion for year two and one third of a

:54:56.:55:00.

billion for year three N this allocation, Surrey's allocation goes

:55:01.:55:03.

up in year two. One of only six councils out of the whole list that

:55:04.:55:07.

gets a bigger allocation out of a small amount of money. I don't know

:55:08.:55:12.

and it is impossible to see the formula. But that is very worrying.

:55:13.:55:18.

It is disturbing, Madam Deputy Speaker, that this important matter

:55:19.:55:21.

of funding social care has been tarnished by the offering of sweet

:55:22.:55:28.

heart deals and making jentmen's agreements - open gentlemen's

:55:29.:55:31.

agreements. All that was to escape the political heat for some

:55:32.:55:34.

honourable and Right Honourable members facing the reality of what

:55:35.:55:38.

cuts to council funding have done to social care in their local authority

:55:39.:55:41.

area. That is what this whole matter is about. - threats of what will

:55:42.:55:47.

happen to constituencies and areas if the cuts go on. Now, social care

:55:48.:55:53.

should not ever be consigned to becoming a thread bare safety net.

:55:54.:55:56.

We should not have a Community Secretary who can hold more than

:55:57.:56:02.

seven meetings with Surrey County Council or Surrey MPs to discuss

:56:03.:56:07.

their funding but will not meet a cross party delegation from Salford

:56:08.:56:13.

and had no time in his diary to meet the leader of Hull County Council. I

:56:14.:56:18.

hope they will listen to councils oh their than Surrey because their

:56:19.:56:23.

leader empathised in letters we have seen that they have the largest

:56:24.:56:25.

Conservative group in the Conservative. He should listen to

:56:26.:56:30.

leaders from Hull and from Croydon, from Salford, from Manchester and

:56:31.:56:33.

Liverpool, from Durham and Newcastle. He needs to understand

:56:34.:56:38.

from them what is needed across this country to save social care from

:56:39.:56:40.

crisis. Thank you very much, Madam Deputy

:56:41.:56:52.

Speaker, and we certainly have covered a lot of ground today in

:56:53.:56:59.

this debate. Indeed, we have strayed internationally, and we have covered

:57:00.:57:02.

an awful lot of domestic policy as well. I will turn to some of the key

:57:03.:57:07.

themes. Before I do, I want to stress the central point made

:57:08.:57:15.

earlier by the Secretary of State for Communities and Local

:57:16.:57:17.

Government, which is that our ability to provide public services

:57:18.:57:22.

is entirely depended on our ability to pay for them. The member for

:57:23.:57:26.

Leicester East said in his speech that it is important before we talk

:57:27.:57:29.

about spending that we talk about how we raise the money. Actually,

:57:30.:57:33.

that is the last thing we have heard from the other side of the chamber

:57:34.:57:39.

today. That is absolutely key to this sort of debate. We don't live

:57:40.:57:44.

within our means, deal with the deficit and get their polling, we

:57:45.:57:47.

won't be able to fund the public services we all care about on both

:57:48.:57:58.

sides of the... We have seen had debt has been left for other people

:57:59.:58:01.

to come along and deal with. That is why at the heart of our Budget and

:58:02.:58:06.

our economic policy is our continued resolve to restore the public

:58:07.:58:10.

finances to health, to receipt -- to increase have economic resilience.

:58:11.:58:15.

At the heart of those aims is the work to bring down the deficit, and

:58:16.:58:20.

we have made great strides, and in doing so, we have been able to bring

:58:21.:58:24.

further interline what we spend and what we raise. And that is the way

:58:25.:58:30.

we can afford public services. We have already cut the deficit by

:58:31.:58:34.

almost two thirds, but the work is not done. We are also on course to

:58:35.:58:40.

get debt falling as a share of GDP in 2018-19, but we are the first to

:58:41.:58:44.

acknowledge that there is no quick fix, and contrary to previous

:58:45.:58:49.

assertions from the other side of the House, no magic money tree. That

:58:50.:58:53.

is why we're sticking to the spending plans we have set out, why

:58:54.:59:00.

we are taking a look at how we can become ever smarter in how we spend

:59:01.:59:04.

taxpayer money, and we will have an efficiency review which aims to get

:59:05.:59:08.

more value for money and save ?3.5 billion. As was said earlier, we are

:59:09.:59:13.

looking for would do the insight and expertise that Sir Michael Barber

:59:14.:59:20.

can bring to this process. -- we are looking forward to the insight. If

:59:21.:59:25.

we look at the pressures in advanced economies around the world, there

:59:26.:59:29.

are many pressures on our services. I think if we don't grapple with

:59:30.:59:34.

this issue of how we pay for things, we just can't tackle them. We have

:59:35.:59:38.

heard quite a lot of course from the member who speaks for the opposition

:59:39.:59:45.

on this. We heard a great deal about social care, and of course, we have

:59:46.:59:49.

made a significant announcement at this Budget about a ?2 billion

:59:50.:00:00.

injection of extra cash. Members on opposition benches from a sedentary

:00:01.:00:08.

position that it is not enough. I asked where they would pay for it,

:00:09.:00:14.

and there is nothing but a few gimmicky ideas. I will address one

:00:15.:00:20.

of them head on. The answer is, as we know, the magic money tree. We

:00:21.:00:25.

have made this money available, and there have been further details

:00:26.:00:28.

today about how that will be allocated. That is real Manny, --

:00:29.:00:34.

that is real money, made immediately available, and it starts in a few

:00:35.:00:38.

weeks. I think it is important that we do that. But we acknowledge that

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there is a longer term challenge. As I say, the pressures that all

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advanced economies face as populations get older, and the right

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Honourable gentleman for Leicester East, as well as offering kind words

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about myself in my previous role, he rightly drew our attention to work

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around prevention. I would be drawn too much into talking about that,

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but I would remind him, obviously, of National diabetes prevention, the

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fund and the work going on there. There is a public health budget of

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?60 billion a year that we give to local Government. I think all

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members have acknowledged the work on the sugar levy and other things

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that are going on, and we see the sugar tide is turning. On page 35 of

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the Budget book, our consultation on the damage that white cider can do.

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We are consulting there around the ABV duty rates there, because... Can

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I finish this point, we have heard from many charities, especially

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those working with the homeless, that the effect that white cider has

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on the health of homeless people and young drinkers, and the increased

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frequency of visits to A We have 1.2 million older people living with

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care needs that are not met every day. There is no prevention in a

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situation where an older frail person who needs care doesn't get

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that care, and this money goes nowhere to helping that. Nowhere.

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Well, I disagree on prevention. There is a lot you can do in

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prevention with older people. With this new money, you can have care

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packages. Delivering care at home is one of the most valuable way to keep

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people out of A We are not in anyway downplaying the challenges of

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rising to dealing with those pressures. We're not burying our

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heads in the sand. It is not just a case of common sense part of

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responsible Government that we face up to the question of how we sit in

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the Mexico as social care system for the long-term. -- how we secure

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their future of social care in the long-term. We have plans to put

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spending on a sustainable footing for the future. The lady member

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herself said it from the front bench that this was... I won't embarrass

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her by reading out the very long list of times that the Labour

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Government attempted to grapple with this issue. I will not take an

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intervention. I am not going to take another intervention. I am going to

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have the same amount of time that she took. But the list is very long.

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It was in Labour's manifesto in 1997 that they would tackle it, a Royal

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commission in 1999, a Green paper in 2005, a review said it would be

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resolved by 2007, then another green paper in 2009. 13 wasted years.

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There are long grass was very long indeed. It is not just the new money

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we are injecting into social care, we are injecting an extra ?425

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million into the NHS, helping A Tiptree Irish patients more

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effectively, and to improve the way services are provided in the

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long-term. Add dressing and putting more money into social care and

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those specific parts of the NHS is addressing some of the issues Simon

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Stevens talked about as some of the immediate challenges in the system.

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I know my honourable friend for Harrow East had asked questions

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about the SDP requirement. This investment set out was to make a

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real difference by supporting regions with the strongest plans

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ready now to deliver their long-term vision, and we will revisit STPs in

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the autumn to see if there are further areas with strong cases for

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investment, but the NHS has its part to play too in looking at how they

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can use unused land to put money into reinvesting. I want to give him

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that assurance. Let me talk a little about education and skills. We have

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taken action to fundamentally reform and improve school education, and

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with the result never acknowledged from the other side that there are

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now 1.8 more children in God are outstanding schools than in 2010.

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This simple fact that vast Lismore children are getting a good or

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outstanding education, but in this Budget, we went further. We further

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galvanise our schools with ?320 million of investment in new

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schools, and ?260 million for the maintenance of existing schools, and

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enjoy juicing, as my right honourable friend spoke about, I

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thought really compellingly in his opening speech, sweeping reforms to

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put technical skills at the heart of our education system, and I sense a

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great degree of cross-party consensus on the fact that this has

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been an undervalued part of our education system. For young adults,

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giving them a chance to develop new talents that will stand them in good

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stead for the future, and of course, stand out as a country and our

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economy in good stead as we work towards the high skill, high wedge,

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high-tech economy that we want to see, that will help us to be

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competitive in a global marketplace. Madam Deputy Speaker, I have spoken

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about the importance of controlling public finances, investing carefully

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and public services, and making sure spending is sustainable, but I also

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want to make a few remarks about the importance of making sure our tax

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system is sustainable. We can't talk about one side without the other.

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The flip side of how we invest is how we fund public services. Two

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particular issues. First, business rates. A number of people in the

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debate have mentioned it. It is right that we update them to reflect

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today's property values, but we recognise that for some, that has

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meant a sudden jump. I thank the member for Richmond on his excellent

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speech. I am familiar with some of the beautiful pups in his

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constituency. They were part -- pubs. They were part of a package

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that is being worked on, ?435 million of the support that lack of

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support to help businesses manage the steepest increases following the

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revaluation. Second, the changes we have made to NICs. I want to respond

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to some of the points made. First, let's be clear that contributory

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benefits which NICs fund are different employment rights. Much of

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the debate today has crisscrossed between those two important but

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distinct subjects. National insurance pays into a fund which

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pays out the NHS and contributory benefits are principally the state

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pension, but also parental pay. We have announced we're looking at and

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paternity rights. We have said 20%. The vast majority of that national

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insurance fund pays towards the state pension, and as has been made

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clear, that is now available both to the employed and self-employed, an

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important part of a necessary step to level up what people get in terms

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of benefits, but it is also important and necessary to level the

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playing field in terms of what people pay in. The Prime Minister

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has asked Matthew Taylor to look at the issue of employment rights. We

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will return to look at those important issues later this year.

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Whether you are self-employed or an employee, if you do a similar job,

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get a similar wage and receive similar benefits, you should pay a

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similar tax. Actually, this is something recognised by Labour's

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Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary, the member for Oldham East. I really

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hope that all the members who have spoken today, the members for Ilford

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North, Bootle, and the rest, I hope they are not disowning the

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self-employment review, the commission launched by the

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Honourable member for Oldham East last November, when she said that

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one of the five principles of Labour's self-employment commission,

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launched last November, was that self-employed NICs should rise

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towards employee levels. She went on to say, we cannot expect employees

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to pay in more while offering quality that entitlements across

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employment status. I realise that Labour's front bench rotates with

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dizzying speed... Order! Minister. They don't like my remark. I realise

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that front benchers rotate with dizzying speed, but I suggest that

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Labour members actually do look at the self-employed commission that

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they launched only last November. Now, the majority of people affected

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by this change would be better wrath from the combined changes to NICs

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that we have made. Only someone with profits above ?60,250 will have to

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pay more. As some members have remarked in the debate, ?1800 worth

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of pension entitlement is what the new state pension is worth to

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someone on it, something the FSB has campaigned for, among others. In

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closing, it is obvious from the critique we have been offered from

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the benches opposite that whilst we have a plethora of suggestions about

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how to raise taxes and spending, we have no coherent alternative

:11:32.:11:36.

economic policy, and that was clearly in evidence yesterday in the

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response that we have from the Leader of the Opposition. The fact

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that there are so many former frontbencher is here today is

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testament to that. We need to get spending and revenue raising in

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balance, the mark of a responsible Government. That balance allows us

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to safeguard the public services we all value for the future. The

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question is that the debate be now adjourned. The ayes have it. Debate

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to be resumed on what day? Monday. Silent Monday. The question is that

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this House do now adjourned. Mrs Anne-Marie Trevelyan.

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