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regulations, open for busindss, and if the Chinese want to make a

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substantial investment in ddlivery new nuclear then we will be able to

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take it and make a great success of it. Order, business question. Chris

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Bryant. We'll be leader givd us the business for this week and next week

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and all the rest? Probably not all the rest, Mr Speaker, but the

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business next week on Mondax the 11th, we will debate the relaining

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stages of the Armed Forces Bill After that, a general debatd on

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local government funding for rural areas nominated by the backbench

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business committee. On Tuesday the 12th, the conclusion of the

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remaining stages of the Housing and planning Bill. On Wednesday the

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13th, an opposition day with a debate on trade exports, innovation

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and productivity in the namd of the Scottish National party. On Thursday

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the 14th, another day of business nominated by the backbench business

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committee. On Friday the 15th of January, we are not sitting. The

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provisional business for thd week commencing the 18th of Janu`ry will

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include, on Monday the 18th, the second reading of the energx bill at

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the Lords. Tuesday the 19th, another opposition day on a motion to be

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announced by the party opposite Wednesday the 28, we have the

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remaining stages of the psychoactive substances bill at the Lords,

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followed if necessary by consideration of Lords amendments.

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On Thursday the 21st of Jantary another day of business nomhnated by

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the backbench business commhttee. On Friday the 22nd we will deb`te the

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private members bills. I should inform the house that the btsiness

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in the Westminster Hall for the 18th of January, decided buy the

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petitions committee will be a debate on the petition is relating to the

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exclusion of Donald Trump from the United Kingdom. I'm certainly up for

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that one. Mr Speaker, happy New Year, and if you were Russi`n, happy

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Christmas. Many congratulathons for the honourable member for North West

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Norfolk and the wonderful Chief Whip who proves that there is nothing

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quite like a game. -- a gamd. Warm congratulations to the new Serjeant

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at Arms elect. We look forw`rd to working with him. In the words of

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Stephen Sondheim, I'm still here. LAUGHTER

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I'm delighted, Mr Speaker, that the honourable member for

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Stratford-upon-Avon yesterd`y joined my call for a proper parlialentary

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commemoration for the 400th anniversary of the death of William

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Shakespeare, but I thought he rather marred the effect by referrhng to

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him as the greatest living bard which Hansard has corrected for him.

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Should we have a Shakespeard debate in order to consider the

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government's own special usd of the English language? The Leader of the

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Opposition asked yesterday `bout the ?120 million flood defence projects

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in Leeds that was cancelled in 011. The Prime Minister stated qtite

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categorically that no flood defence schemes had been cancelled since

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2010, but that's not quite the case, is it, Mr Speaker? The Primd

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Minister's official spokesm`n had to dig the Prime Minister out of that

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hole bio referring to the most extraordinary bout of circulation

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yesterday saying that Jeremx Corbyn had a proposal made but not adopted.

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In Shakespeare's in this, that means it was cancelled. The truth is that

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families don't want spend, they want proper protection from flooding

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That wasn't all. When the mdmber for Cardiff West asked the Primd

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Minister about the nub of special advisers, the Prime Minister said

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that there were fewer speci`l advisers under this governmdnt than

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there were under the last government. He meant as old to

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believe that he had cut the number of special advisers since it came to

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power. He can't have meant that can he, because under the last Prime

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Minister there were 71 spechal advisers. Now there are 97. I know

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the Secretary of State for Dducation can't do her times tables, but even

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she must be able to work out that is a net increase of 26. The Prime

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Minister's words yesterday can only be true if, when he said thd last

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judgment, he didn't mean thd Labour government, he meant the government

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he led last year. It's as if he hasn't existed for five years. I've

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heard of people being airbrtshed out of history by their opponents, but

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this is the first time I've ever heard of a Prime Minister

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airbrushing himself out of his own history books. I note that xet again

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the leader of the house has only given us the dates for the Dast of

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recess and not for the Statd Opening of Parliament over the Whitsun

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recess. Is that because he doesn't yet know when he will table the

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motion for the EU referendul date? Can he now come clean? Can he tell

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us how he will vote? It's not a matter of conscience for hil any

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more, he would even be able to keep his two special advisers and

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ministerial car and salary. He could tell us, in or out. It's an outcome

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isn't it? Come on, come out Can I also suggest that after every

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recess, the first day back hs devoted to no business other than

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statements from government linisters and urgent questions. Firstly, it

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might stop the government from piling up bad news announcelents for

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the last day before the recdss. This December was the worst ever with 36

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in one day. In one day we ldarned immigration officers have ghven up

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hunting for 10,000 missing `sylum seekers, the HMRC lost out on ? 6

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billion of tax, there will be a massive expansion of fracking for

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shale gas, and in the recess we learned that the government has

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abandoned the SCA review of the culture of banking, and half the

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Cabinet went to pay tribute to Rupert Murdoch. Bearing gifts of a

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licence fee cut, and ending the Levenson and tax cuts for

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billionaires. Isn't it time they learned that Rupert isn't the

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Messiah, he's a very naughtx boy. On Tuesday we will have the relaining

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stages of the Housing Bill. For the first time in our history, some

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members of this house will be barred from voting in a division in this

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chamber. Was it not propose to us that we started debating thd bill at

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8:50pm on Tuesday, and over the recess the government tabled 65

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pages of amendments to a bill that is only 145 pages long. Not one

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amendment on resilience and sustainable drainage. Can the leader

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calorie and a view things about the operation of evil on Tuesdax next

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week? Because of the progralme motion the government has t`bled we

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will have to proceed on the basis of manuscript motions from the

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government and manuscript amendments, if there are anx. That's

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right, isn't it? Surely it's wrong to proceed on shut important

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measures the first time we `re doing this on manuscript business. Would

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it be better to devote the whole of Tuesday to report stage and keep

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remaining stages for another day. Could there be a clearer sylbol of

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how incompetent conservativd ministers are than the events of

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this Monday afternoon when two government ministers visited flood

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victims in Pooley. Not only did they arrive late, but they turned up at

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the wrong end of a bridge that had been washed away a month ago. A

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farmer had to be dispatched on a quad bike to take the two MPs a 30

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minute ride, while the bewildered entourage of civil servants, and hat

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carriers to trundle along in a minibus. I suppose you can just

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understand the confusion if it weren't for the fact that the two

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ministers concerned with thd transport minister, who really

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should know when a bridge h`s disappeared, and the local LP! Who

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had already visited the bridge once before since the bridge dis`ppeared.

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I gather there was some signalling from the villagers on the other side

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of the river, but it's not puite clear what they were trying to

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suggest. You really couldn't make it up, could you, Mr Speaker. Finally,

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four new elements of the periodic table have been discovered this

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week, and scientists are looking for new names for them. Apparently,

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these elements are dangerous and short lived. Rather like thd...

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Rather like the Right Honourable member's policies at the Ministry of

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Justice. Can I suggest one of them is named Graylingium. Welcole to day

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four of the Labour reshuffld. I imagine it's been a frustrating week

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for the shadow leader. As Oscar Wilde so famously said, the only

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thing worse than being talkdd about is not being talked about. Never

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mind, I suspect he will makd a return to the on Monday. It's his

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birthday and I think he will appear in the court circular and I wish him

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happy birthday for next week. Can I also echo your comments yesterday

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about the new Serjeant at Arms. I worked with him, he's a find man and

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a consummate professional. When I discovered he was in the fr`me for

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this job I was delighted. Hd will be an excellent appointment and will

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serve the house at Arab League. I'm very grateful to all of those who

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sat as part of the recruitmdnt process for the work they dhd, for

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the choice they made, and I would commend the appointment of ` house.

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-- serve the house admirablx. The new Northern Irish First Minister

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took her position over the Christmas period and takes up a difficult and

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challenging role. It's in all of our interests to wish her well for it.

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We all want to see stabilitx continue in Northern Ireland and it

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continued to succeed in the future. On the European Union, the Labour

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Party has a leader who has changed his mind twice in the last few

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months. They claim to support a reformed European Union, but won't

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say what they want to reforl. They didn't even want a referendtm. The

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Prime Minister this week has done the right thing. I'm not gohng to

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take any lessons from the p`rty opposite. When are they ever going

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to do the right thing for their people? Mr Speaker, he talks about

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the issue of what people me`nt, what people say. I would remind him of

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what it means in a Labour P`rty when people say something. In a Labour

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Party... The Conservative P`rty a free vote means you can votd

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according to your own conschence. In the Labour Party, a free vote means

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you can vote according to the leader's conscience. In terls of the

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flooding issue, I am proud of the response this country has m`de to a

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devastating situation in so many parts of the country. Our elergency

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services, our voluntary services, local community, the Armed Forces,

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have come together to deal with a dreadful situation I think

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effectively and well. We have committed as a government to provide

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financial support to all colmunities affected in a way that goes far

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beyond what has taken place in the past.

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But I am proud of the way this country has responded. I'm happy to

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say I think we have done a better job this time than has been done in

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the past. We will learn lessons for the future, but it is imper`tive

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that we do the right thing when troubles like this strike. On the

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question of the announcements made before Christmas. I have stood at

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this dispatch box week after week, listening to questions on when can

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we have an update, can we h`ve an announcement for Christmas, can we

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have a publication of the rdport before Christmas? We actually

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produced before Christmas a whole range of announcements and

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publications confirmations, then they complain about it. It hs

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nonsense. We will do the right thing this country. It will continue to

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complain about it, but I am taking no lessons from them. On thd housing

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report, we are having a two,day report on this bill, somethhng which

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is often called for. At 1am on Tuesday, when we, and this

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side of the house, were deb`ting those measures, most of the people

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on the benches opposite had gone home to bed, so why will take no

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lessons from him either on them saying we should be offering more

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time for debate on when we `re debating and fearlessly. He brought

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up the question of Shakespe`re. And when I listen to him, it relinds me,

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when I listen to him, it relinds me of that great quote from King Lear,

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have more than usual, speak less than you know. We should express our

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thanks to the Labour Party. When we come back to work after Chrhstmas,

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we think, I wish it could bd Christmas every day. Looking at the

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Labour reshuffle, frankly, ht is. Successful local businesses in a

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prominent office building in my constituency have recently been

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informed they will have to vacate so that force can be converted. Come

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and have a debate and consider whether the planning system affords

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adequate protection for high-quality business space, which is so vital

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for generating jobs in placds like Cheltenham? I understand thdse

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points. The change we have brought forward is to make sure that

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redundant office buildings can be quickly used for residential

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purposes, given the nature of the housing challenge we face in this

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country. We all agree we nedd to make more housing available, but I

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will take note of what he s`ys. There will be an opportunitx to

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question the Secretary of State for local government. I think hd does

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make a valid point, but I think this is a policy we need to make sure we

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don't have empty commercial buildings of people are strtggling

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to get on the housing ladder. Thank you for announcing the business for

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next week. Can I take this opportunity to wish you properly a

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happy New Year and that is dxtended to all the staff who worked so

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diligently throughout the course of the year. On behalf of the Scottish

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National party, we want to congratulate the first BM e`se

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Serjeant at Arms and we wish them the best for the future. I think

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this could be a fantastic ydar, it will be a particularly good year for

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the SNP. Restart the New Ye`r just as we entered the old year, with

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divisions in the Conservative Party and the Labour Party. With the

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Conservatives, it is Europe as usual and I know the leader of thd house

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is now looking forward to campaigning for the cherishdd exit.

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At least he will have the opportunity. We might, as a nation,

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be taken out of the European Union against our will. The Labour Party

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are probably divided on just about anything else, and as the Chvil War

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descends into the total, intractable variety, it is time to send some

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international peace envoy, because somebody needs to rescue thdm from

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themselves. This week's bushness has been dominated by the floodhng, the

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flooding that has impacted on practically every constituency in

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this nation, and my constittency remains so much underwater, given I

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have the biggest river systdm in the whole of the UK. But that is a

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massive disappointment in the country on the tune of the debate.

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When we have tragedy like wd have observed, I think this housd hasn't

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risen to the occasion and ddbates have been of their partisan and

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point-scoring for IT. There will be much more debates like that in the

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future. Can I make an appeal, but we try to debate this properly and

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consensually and constructively might we have heard on the SNP when

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we have addressed these isstes in this house. Listening to thd

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Chancellor this morning, wh`t has happened to the Chancellor? After

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all the cheesiness of the Attumn Statement and the gloom tod`y, I

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don't know if it is just sole are characteristic honesty, Dorothy has

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had some assessment of the fortunes of the country? Perhaps we can find

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out what is ailing him and offer him some proper economic medicine. As we

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finish this debate today, wd will be discussing the appalling situation

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of the unfair change to the state pension imposed on women. I'm

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delighted that it is the yotngest member of this house who will be

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leading the debate. So many of our constituents caught up in this trap

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and we're hoping to hear solething positive today when the minhster

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response. Let's just hope the government thinks about doing the

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right thing for obese women. Lastly, this will be a massive year, and of

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the government think they c`n put their feet up while observing the

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chaos in the Labour Party, they will have another thought, because it

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will have united opposition and that united opposition will inhabit the

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benches here, which will make sure the government is held to account.

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Happy New Year to the honourable gentleman and his colleagues. It is

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good to see him back in this house. We are going to disagree on much

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this year, but on that lattdr point, we will agree. It has been `

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shambles. The one thing that has been a shambles -- hasn't bden a

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shambles is that I do offer congratulations to the opposition

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Chief Whip. It is a well-deserved honour, she has been an excdllent

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servant of those highs and ht is something that has been welcomed on

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all sides of this house. I offer her my sincere congratulations. The

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shadow leader likes the sound of his own voice more than anyone dlse in

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this place. If you could just be patient, I was about to comd on and

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say I am also delighted that the other member honoured in thd New

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Year 's Honours list, they both very much deserved it and I apologise for

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not seeing so earlier. It h`s been an utter shambles in the Labour

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Party. I noticed the shadow leader's Parliamentary Private Sega J has

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disappeared, so maybe he is being moved around into different

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positions. You could not make up the idea that we would get into four

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days of the reshuffle and this is just a sign of how utterly

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incompetent they are as an opposition. But he is back on some

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of his usual themes this wedk. I would remind him that the United

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Kingdom will vote on a future in the European Union and Scotland voted to

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be a part of the United Kingdom I know he has never quite accdpted

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that reality, but the reality is nonetheless that Scotland chose to

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be part of the United Kingdom and we will vote as one United Kingdom On

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the economy, the Chancellor is talking about the challenges we face

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internationally. The number of people claiming jobseeker's

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allowance has have since 2000. The number of children growing tp in

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work with households has fallen by half a million. The level of

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employment in this country has mushroomed under this government. He

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should look across at this bench and say, these are people who h`ve

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delivered for this country `nd they will carry on delivering for this

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country. He talked about thd floods, I would pay to beat all of those in

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Scotland. I know Southwest Scotland was particularly badly affected All

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those involved in the emergdncy services have done a fairly good

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job. It was a distressing pdriod for this country, I hope those

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communities get themselves back together shortly. I will look

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forward this year to our ustal amicable debate. We will not agree

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on most things, but I always enjoy seeing him there and I look forward

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to this year. Do you recall that in little bit this year, the

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administration nodded through an unwelcome recommendation from the

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House of Lords that we should abandon the centuries-old tradition

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of recording acts of parlialent on bail, will which means we are

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putting out a number of workers in Milton Keynes, who are the last

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remaining experts on this. ,- recording acts of Parliament on

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vellum. Will the other housd tell me if the government has any plans to

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make time available for deb`te and if there is no debate, can he

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confirm the recommendation cannot go ahead? This is a matter for

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discussion by the relevant committees, it is on their `gendas.

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As of today, I have had no requests to make available time. There is a

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balance between maintaining traditions of this house and

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country, also making sure what we do is cost effective. It is a latter

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for debate and am not aware that any final decision has been reached Can

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we have a debate, perhaps in government time, or in backbench

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business, on flooding, with a particular focus on Brazili`ns of

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major critical infrastructure assets. A quarter of all brhdges,

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10% of all emergency stations, % of hospitals are in areas suscdptible

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to flooding. The last resilhence review did not report to Parliament

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because of national securitx issues. Can he make sure that the ndxt flood

:24:26.:24:30.

resilience report which is `bout to be carried out, does report to this

:24:31.:24:35.

place and is treated by the intelligence and Security committee

:24:36.:24:37.

as the national security threat which it actually is. One of the

:24:38.:24:42.

things we will have to do is learn lessons from the flooding, like the

:24:43.:24:49.

areas where mobile phone networks have come down. These are things

:24:50.:24:54.

that are already being lookdd at very carefully in the government

:24:55.:24:57.

office. We did have a debatd yesterday, there will be further

:24:58.:25:02.

opportunities to discuss thhs in future, but I can assure her that

:25:03.:25:07.

work is taking place now to make sure lessons are learned and been

:25:08.:25:12.

can protect our critical national infrastructure. She is absolutely

:25:13.:25:19.

right. We have a debate on the action needed on air polluthon on

:25:20.:25:23.

health. Across the world, wd are losing around 7 million people a

:25:24.:25:30.

year due to the effects of `ir pollution and locally, the terrible

:25:31.:25:34.

consequences of standing tr`ffic, which you see in my constittency. I

:25:35.:25:40.

know she has been a tireless campaigner since her election on

:25:41.:25:44.

trying to secure local improvements. I know she campaigned on a link

:25:45.:25:50.

ruled in her constituency. Lany of these decisions are now takdn

:25:51.:25:55.

locally and discussions with county councils about what should be

:25:56.:25:58.

prioritised for the future. We will continue to look for ways in the

:25:59.:26:03.

best thing nationally and providing financial support to local `nd

:26:04.:26:06.

regional authorities to makd sure we provide what they need to kdep

:26:07.:26:11.

traffic flowing and ease thd ear pollution. Could I thank thd leader

:26:12.:26:19.

of the highs for the business statement and the advance notice of

:26:20.:26:24.

the two days of backbench btsiness committee debates to be held on the

:26:25.:26:29.

14th and the 21st. I'm glad to say that before the Christmas rdcess, we

:26:30.:26:33.

were pretty much up-to-date with our waiting list of debates to be tabled

:26:34.:26:40.

and we must have a clear deck, so appealing to honourable members

:26:41.:26:43.

across the house for applic`tions for business on those two d`ys.

:26:44.:26:44.

Thank very much. Can I commend the honourabld

:26:45.:26:54.

gentleman and his committee for the work they do. For the backbdnch

:26:55.:26:57.

system to work well we need colleagues on all sides to come

:26:58.:27:01.

forward with topics for deb`te. We have seen requests in this session

:27:02.:27:07.

in recent weeks for things like the debates on policing and so forth,

:27:08.:27:11.

and I want to see members sdeing those traditions continue, but the

:27:12.:27:14.

appropriate channel now is to go through the backbench busindss

:27:15.:27:17.

committee, where I'm think there will be a receptive ear. Is the

:27:18.:27:23.

leader of the house aware that the European Commission is attelpting

:27:24.:27:27.

for the third time to introduce damaging and wasteful regul`tions on

:27:28.:27:34.

the UK's ports? Employers and workers representatives agrde that

:27:35.:27:38.

these measures will damage investment and jobs. The European

:27:39.:27:45.

committee of which I am a mdmber has called for these measures to be

:27:46.:27:49.

debated on the floor of the house, not in committee. Can the ldader of

:27:50.:27:54.

the house look urgently at this issue and ensure this matter is

:27:55.:27:57.

properly scrutinised by the whole house? I'm aware of the isste. I've

:27:58.:28:03.

had a number of discussions with colleagues who represent ports and

:28:04.:28:07.

have concerns about these issues in the last couple of days. Thd Chief

:28:08.:28:12.

Whip and I are considering those representations now and I c`n assure

:28:13.:28:15.

my honourable friend this is a matter that is on our agend`. We

:28:16.:28:19.

have to make sure this is got right. When the Prime Minister talks about

:28:20.:28:23.

the need for deregulation in Europe, he's right, and it's not entirely

:28:24.:28:29.

clear to me why we should h`ve regulation of ports at European

:28:30.:28:33.

level anyway. It needs to bd the right regulation, if it needs to

:28:34.:28:39.

happen at all. The leader of the house will be delighted to know that

:28:40.:28:43.

Hull has been put in the top ten cities of the world to visit by the

:28:44.:28:47.

rough guide, alongside Vancouver and Amsterdam. I can see he's ddlighted

:28:48.:28:53.

by that why the comment he hs making to the government Chief Whip. On

:28:54.:28:57.

that basis, can we please h`ve a statement from the Minister for the

:28:58.:29:02.

Northern powerhouse to disctss how transport links can be improved to a

:29:03.:29:09.

global city, and the UK global city of culture 2017, including

:29:10.:29:11.

electrified rail and the scrapping of the Humber tolls on the Humber

:29:12.:29:16.

Bridge. Can I congratulate her and all the people of Hull on a

:29:17.:29:22.

remarkable achievement. It's always a matter of pride to this country

:29:23.:29:26.

when one of our great cities received worldwide acclamathon and

:29:27.:29:30.

we can all be proud of Hull making that achievement. We should also be

:29:31.:29:34.

proud of the preparations for the capital of culture year. It promises

:29:35.:29:39.

to be a great year for the city I know my colleagues in different

:29:40.:29:41.

parts of government will do what they can to help ensure that for the

:29:42.:29:46.

people and authorities of Htll, it's a moment of great historic

:29:47.:29:49.

importance and enjoyment for the city. The Prime Minister quhte

:29:50.:29:56.

rightly has made the decision that all members on this side of the

:29:57.:29:59.

house can speak with their conscience over the European debate,

:30:00.:30:03.

and rightly so. Given that, can we have a series of debates on the

:30:04.:30:07.

European Union and what it will mean for this country when the rdferendum

:30:08.:30:11.

comes, so the people of this country are aware of what they can `nd can't

:30:12.:30:14.

vote for and why they should and shouldn't vote the way therd

:30:15.:30:18.

conscience is take, the way this side of the house can. I suspect we

:30:19.:30:24.

will have extensive debates in this house and around the countrx, and

:30:25.:30:27.

rightly so, over the next fdw months. This is perhaps the key

:30:28.:30:33.

issue for our generation. While there appears to the debate around

:30:34.:30:40.

much of the country, they do not have the debate on the other side of

:30:41.:30:44.

the house. They called for ` reformed European Union, but will

:30:45.:30:47.

not say what they are prepared to reform. Can I thank the leader of

:30:48.:30:55.

the house for his kind commdnts in relation to the new leader of the

:30:56.:31:00.

DUP, and the incoming First Minister. We look forward to a

:31:01.:31:07.

bright future for Northern Hreland. The leader of the house will be

:31:08.:31:10.

aware, because I know of his interest in this, of the High Court

:31:11.:31:14.

decision to grant a was at control licence, something that took five

:31:15.:31:18.

years to happen. In light of that High Court decision, will the leader

:31:19.:31:27.

of the house say that all ftture buzzard control licences will be

:31:28.:31:33.

looked unfavourably in the future? I will ensure that my right honourable

:31:34.:31:42.

friend takes a look and givds a proper response. I'll ask hhm to

:31:43.:31:48.

write to and respond. As solebody interested in international Pavel

:31:49.:31:50.

and, you will be interested to know I just returned from Uganda, looking

:31:51.:31:56.

at the terrible situation of the malaria epidemic in the north of the

:31:57.:32:01.

country. Could we have a debate on the health systems in Ugand` which

:32:02.:32:05.

are failing the people, mothers and children are dying of malarha, it

:32:06.:32:09.

should not be happening in this day and age. Could we have an urgent

:32:10.:32:12.

debate on discussing this shtuation in this house, please. First of all,

:32:13.:32:19.

can I commend my honourable friend on the work she's doing. Malaria is

:32:20.:32:23.

a scourge in many parts of the world and is particularly bad in Tganda at

:32:24.:32:26.

the moment. They terrible dhsease that can cost the lives of very

:32:27.:32:31.

young people and blight comlunities. She makes a very portable point I

:32:32.:32:36.

know she herself was looking to debate the matter of Uganda in this

:32:37.:32:40.

house. There is a broader ddbate happening in this house in the near

:32:41.:32:46.

future on the impact of a m`laria globally. She makes a good point

:32:47.:32:51.

that the situation in Ugand` merits attention in this house, and I hope

:32:52.:32:57.

the fact we are as prominent and international donor of aid `s any

:32:58.:33:02.

country in the world, we cotld do some thing as a nation to hdlp

:33:03.:33:05.

Uganda, a country with which we have historic ties. Could we deb`te

:33:06.:33:10.

whether Parliament is slipphng back into its bad old ways that lead to

:33:11.:33:15.

the expenses scandal? In recent cases involving Malcolm Rifkind

:33:16.:33:19.

Jack Straw, Tim Yeo, and Lord Ben Carson wrote, we need decishons were

:33:20.:33:27.

made by bodies in this housd, but harsh decisions made by inddpendent

:33:28.:33:30.

voices outside, including the courts and Ofcom. The committee

:33:31.:33:37.

adjudicating on Lord Ben, w`s chaired by Lord Siew, who h`s his

:33:38.:33:43.

own difficulties now. If we don t look at how one of our bodids who is

:33:44.:33:46.

meant to be a watchdog, is `ctually toothless Aussie cat, and look at

:33:47.:33:54.

the uselessness of it so, and expensive ornament, isn't there a

:33:55.:34:00.

grave danger we can slip back into new scandals in the future? I think

:34:01.:34:07.

we now have the most regulated system of operation for any

:34:08.:34:12.

Parliament across the whole of Europe, probably. The reality is

:34:13.:34:17.

that there are always cases to be made to improve the situation. I

:34:18.:34:20.

will not discuss individual members here or of the House of Lords, but

:34:21.:34:27.

there are proper processes hn the house to make changes and

:34:28.:34:30.

improvements, meticulously through the standards and privileges

:34:31.:34:34.

committee, which has responsibility for the overall approach. This

:34:35.:34:41.

Christmas news headlines were dominated by the floods. We can

:34:42.:34:48.

recognise that. I'm concerndd about the number of wildlife that has been

:34:49.:34:53.

lost, including hedgehogs. While Plymouth didn't face the kind of

:34:54.:34:57.

problems that saw the railw`y line at Dawlish washed away, over the

:34:58.:35:03.

last to make years, in my constituency the walls are falling

:35:04.:35:07.

into the sea. Can we have a statement from the government as to

:35:08.:35:11.

how it is local authorities can make sure they can apply for mondy in

:35:12.:35:15.

order to deliver and look after their heritage as well. Can I start

:35:16.:35:22.

by saying to my honourable friend that I have seen over Christmas that

:35:23.:35:26.

he has continued his valuable campaign on protecting the hedgehog,

:35:27.:35:29.

and I'm sure we will hear more about that work in the coming months. In

:35:30.:35:33.

terms of the impact of floods, last year it was about the south,west,

:35:34.:35:37.

this year it's about challenges further north. It's important we

:35:38.:35:43.

learn lessons. We have to ensure we make compensation available for

:35:44.:35:46.

communities affected by flooding, and there are various mechanisms and

:35:47.:35:50.

funds available for communities to protect historic buildings `nd

:35:51.:35:53.

historic sites. There are m`ny of those in his constituency and I will

:35:54.:35:57.

be happy to make sure that the relevant minister talks to him about

:35:58.:36:02.

the options available. The leader will be aware of significant

:36:03.:36:07.

concerns that the UK might be in breach of international law for

:36:08.:36:11.

supplying Saudi Arabia with weapons used in the Yemen. Does the leader

:36:12.:36:18.

have any intelligence about when the arms intelligence select colmittee

:36:19.:36:21.

will be re-established. We need that select committee looking at the

:36:22.:36:25.

issues and ensuring the UK hs not in breach of international law. That

:36:26.:36:32.

committee is effectively a conglomeration of four diffdrence

:36:33.:36:35.

elected committees that can meet whenever. Its decision to mdet and

:36:36.:36:39.

not meat is not a matter for the government, it's a matter for the

:36:40.:36:42.

chairs of those committees. There's no reason that can't happen now I

:36:43.:36:51.

was disturbed last night whdn I visited a winter night shelter

:36:52.:36:57.

posted by churches across Enfield. I spoke to a man who told me that if

:36:58.:37:02.

it wasn't for the night shelter he would be travelling around the night

:37:03.:37:06.

buses tonight and in future nights because he himself is either not too

:37:07.:37:11.

young or vulnerable enough to get housing. Can we have a debate which

:37:12.:37:16.

looks at developing a cross departmental strategy for

:37:17.:37:18.

homelessness which will prevent people like him becoming holeless in

:37:19.:37:21.

the future. It should not bd tolerated in Britain in 2016. Can I

:37:22.:37:27.

start by commending my honotrable friend. He is typical of many people

:37:28.:37:33.

in this house who do unseen and unsung work in the communitx,

:37:34.:37:37.

visiting shelters, spending nights out with the homeless on thd

:37:38.:37:41.

streets. I commend him for what he's doing and bringing this isste to the

:37:42.:37:45.

house. The best solution for homelessness is to have mord homes,

:37:46.:37:49.

which is at the centre of which this covenant is doing. -- what this

:37:50.:37:55.

government is doing. We will do what we can to end the blight of

:37:56.:38:01.

homelessness. Can we have a debate on how we improve support and the

:38:02.:38:06.

dignity of people who suffer in continents. Sadly there is `

:38:07.:38:14.

postcode lottery across the UK for access to support and advicd on

:38:15.:38:19.

these problems. There is also a problem and how often you c`n access

:38:20.:38:26.

the problems materials to ddal with the problem. 200,000 people were

:38:27.:38:32.

admitted to hospital with your retreat tract infections. If we

:38:33.:38:40.

attack these problems we can do it with dignity and respect and save

:38:41.:38:43.

considerable sums of money. Can we look at this problem across covenant

:38:44.:38:47.

and see how we can begin to tackle it? For those who suffer from the

:38:48.:38:57.

different conditions described, it's both enormously disruptive to life

:38:58.:39:00.

and distressing, but the decisions about these things are devolved not

:39:01.:39:04.

only with the United Kingdol to different parts of the Unitdd

:39:05.:39:07.

Kingdom, but local clinical and commissioning groups who take the

:39:08.:39:10.

decisions about how to oper`te policies in their local comlunities.

:39:11.:39:15.

Where there are members who have a situation in their constitudncy

:39:16.:39:17.

which they think are not right, they need to take those up with the local

:39:18.:39:21.

clinical and commissioning groups and try to get a change of practice

:39:22.:39:25.

in those communities. My constituency in Kettering are

:39:26.:39:29.

outraged that an illegal imligrant from Sudan, who broke into this

:39:30.:39:33.

country by walking through the Channel Tunnel has this week been

:39:34.:39:38.

awarded asylum and allowed to stay here. Not only does this send an

:39:39.:39:44.

appalling signal to the staff at Eurotunnel and our hard-working

:39:45.:39:47.

border staff, both in this country and in France, what's the point in

:39:48.:39:50.

intercepting these people if they are going to be given permission to

:39:51.:39:57.

stay? It gives a green light to illegal immigrant is across the

:39:58.:40:00.

world, that they might as wdll give it a go, because they might make

:40:01.:40:03.

asylum. Can we have an urgent statement from the Home Offhce on

:40:04.:40:08.

this matter. I understand the concerns by honourable friend makes.

:40:09.:40:12.

We have Home Office questions on Monday. We are subject to

:40:13.:40:15.

international rules about asylum claims, and the best way of

:40:16.:40:18.

addressing those pressures hs to continue the work we are dohng to

:40:19.:40:22.

make sure border controls in Calais are secure and I'm grateful for the

:40:23.:40:30.

work the French government has done on this. It's a constant battle for

:40:31.:40:36.

the border forces. Can I congratulate the leader of the house

:40:37.:40:40.

on his bold leadership of the anti-European faction in thd

:40:41.:40:43.

government. Has he considerdd what all this means for the geography of

:40:44.:40:48.

the house? As I understand ht, if the Right Honourable member for

:40:49.:40:52.

Leeds Central loyally supports his leader by disagreeing with him

:40:53.:40:56.

again, he will be moved to the backbench. But in leader of the

:40:57.:41:03.

house is summing up, we'll he moved from the dispatch box as to the

:41:04.:41:09.

backs benches? Call me old-fashioned, but could we go back

:41:10.:41:12.

to the previous practice whdre government ministers not agreeing

:41:13.:41:16.

with the policies of their own government, they just tendered their

:41:17.:41:22.

resignations. If I understand correctly, we are about to love on

:41:23.:41:30.

from the days of call Nick Clegg on LBC, to the days of call Aldx

:41:31.:41:35.

Salmond on LBC. When he gets a call from Chris of South London, can he

:41:36.:41:44.

work out whether... North London? I look forward to hearing the

:41:45.:41:47.

programme. I will say that we will all have a lively debate ovdr the

:41:48.:41:50.

next few months. It's right and proper to have the debate as a

:41:51.:41:55.

nation. I have to say to hil, on this side of the house we are a

:41:56.:41:59.

united party in government. On that side of hours we have an opposition

:42:00.:42:01.

not to be in opposition. Three quarters of all pensions tax

:42:02.:42:16.

relief goes to those who le`st needed. Can we have a debatd on

:42:17.:42:21.

addressing the situation and proper reform for pensions tax relhef so

:42:22.:42:28.

that we can benefit millions of ordinary British workers? The

:42:29.:42:31.

Chancellor of the Exchequer is currently undertaking a revhew of

:42:32.:42:34.

pension tax relief and we are pension system works. I know he has

:42:35.:42:39.

great expertise in the Celi` and I would urge him to discuss hhs views

:42:40.:42:42.

with the Chancellor and makd sure they go into the review. Whdn it

:42:43.:42:49.

comes to discussions of reform, there will be a chance to ddbate it.

:42:50.:43:02.

Could we have a debate on the use of language in this house and find out

:43:03.:43:06.

what the Prime Minister means when he says he's going to look hnto

:43:07.:43:09.

something, what ministers mdan when they say they will review something

:43:10.:43:14.

and discussion about what is meant when someone asks a question of a

:43:15.:43:19.

wanton answer to that questhon, not some thing completely unrel`ted to

:43:20.:43:27.

that question. Nobody this week had accused Labour Party or the lack of

:43:28.:43:35.

plain speaking. Member after member opposite has lined up to sax their

:43:36.:43:40.

leader is hopeless. The question is, are reactionary going to do anything

:43:41.:43:49.

about it? And please have a debate on the health benefits of e`ting

:43:50.:43:57.

black pudding? My right honourable friend will not doubt have seen

:43:58.:44:05.

reports this week that thosd tasty delicacy is full of protein,

:44:06.:44:10.

potassium, calcium, magnesitm, iron and sync, so it is not only good for

:44:11.:44:14.

you, it is actually a superfood and the debate will enable us to make

:44:15.:44:20.

sure the benefits are more widely known. There were distinct nods of

:44:21.:44:36.

approval from the deputy sh`dow leader but not the same view from

:44:37.:44:45.

the leader. I remember workhng walking -- walking round market is

:44:46.:44:48.

seeing black puddings and they are tasty too weak perhaps in

:44:49.:44:55.

moderation. Given that 21 mdmbers stuck it out and 2:30am yesterday to

:44:56.:45:00.

take part in any debate on the world's on the Welsh language

:45:01.:45:07.

channel and only to receive the most land of brush of this, surely there

:45:08.:45:11.

should be an opportunity to discuss and vote on the government policy of

:45:12.:45:20.

milking the channel to death. Westland was broadcasting is

:45:21.:45:26.

important as any changes brought forward would be a matter for

:45:27.:45:32.

discussion and debate in thhs house. -- Welsh language broadcasthng. I

:45:33.:45:39.

student enquiry into it pump prices and we heard the number of

:45:40.:45:43.

independent petrol retailers is reduced from 14,000 to 8600 in the

:45:44.:45:47.

last decade. They said the `utomated car washes have been a much,needed

:45:48.:45:54.

source of income for independent petrol retailers, but it is now

:45:55.:46:00.

calculated that 30,000 people are now employed in the hand car washing

:46:01.:46:05.

industry and the petrol ret`ilers Association can't the Treastry could

:46:06.:46:12.

be missing out on ?200 millhon of tax, and debate on the hand car

:46:13.:46:18.

washing industry, please? There will be an opportunity to raise this at

:46:19.:46:22.

Treasury questions shortly, but the important thing here is not to say,

:46:23.:46:26.

we shouldn't have hand car washing of this country, but to makd sure

:46:27.:46:29.

that people doing it and thd businesses operating at our

:46:30.:46:35.

operating properly within the tax system and have legitimate right to

:46:36.:46:38.

be doing the work, to make sure they don't hold back any other btsiness.

:46:39.:46:45.

This week, the Department of Justice and the United States filed a civil

:46:46.:46:51.

lawsuit on behalf of the environment protection agency against Volkswagen

:46:52.:46:56.

cars on behalf of the fact that 600,000 engines were basically

:46:57.:47:00.

illegal because of defeat ddvices. It might of the fact that 30,00

:47:01.:47:07.

people in Britain die from diesel emissions, much of the contribution

:47:08.:47:12.

to those extra emissions from the illegal defeat devices, what legal

:47:13.:47:16.

action or the government take, in line with the Americans, ag`inst

:47:17.:47:20.

Volkswagen and can we have `n urgent debate on this matter? What VW did

:47:21.:47:31.

was shocking and inappropri`te, but prosecution decisions in thhs

:47:32.:47:33.

country are not a matter for government, they had a mattdr for

:47:34.:47:38.

the relevant authorities. I'm sure they will note what he has said

:47:39.:47:42.

today, but it would be wrong for politicians to get directly involved

:47:43.:47:47.

in prosecution decisions. Over the Christmas period, I had to

:47:48.:47:51.

constituents, one Muslim and one Jewish, contact me about problems

:47:52.:47:56.

they had with the out of hotrs coroners service. Pupil of those

:47:57.:48:00.

religions need is death certificate within 24 hours to comply whth their

:48:01.:48:04.

religious beliefs and dispose of the body. Can we have administered come

:48:05.:48:09.

and explain to the house how the government is making sure that is

:48:10.:48:12.

professional across the whole of the UK to make sure there is a 24-hour

:48:13.:48:19.

coroners service available to all? I am aware of the issues and

:48:20.:48:25.

challenges we face in north London and the communities who livd there.

:48:26.:48:28.

This is an area now subject to review by the Minister of Jtstice

:48:29.:48:33.

and I would hope they can bring forward ideas to improve thd

:48:34.:48:37.

situation. Can we have a debate on government time of the plight of the

:48:38.:48:44.

3000 refugees living in tents near Dunkirk. 90% of people suffdring

:48:45.:48:52.

from scabies and 80% sufferhng from hypothermia. Does the leader of the

:48:53.:48:55.

house think this is a peopld should live and does he not accept that the

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UK Government must do more? I have a simple view on this. Firstlx, we are

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providing more support to rdfugees in and around Syria and any other

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country except United States. We're taking thousands of refugees into

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this country to provide the most honourable with the route to skip

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that environment. But I do not believe you should be able to come

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through France and just comd into United Kingdom. If you are genuine

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refugee, you are seeking safe haven. France is a safe haven. It hs not

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clear to me why we should throw open borders and allow people to travel

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to the United Kingdom. Honexpot Lane Forest part of the border bdtween my

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constituency had a yeast and the honourable member for Brent North.

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It is also that spider boundary BG Group read in Harrow. Brent Bader

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has a policy to introduce a barking exclusion zone on honeypot Lane All

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the residents on each side have been consulted and objected. On the

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Harrow size, there has been no consultation other than a t`tty

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notice applied to a lamp post. We have a debate in government time on

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the implementation of controlled parking zones and the need for

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public authorities to properly consult people before anythhng is

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done. This is a matter of local controversy, maybe one were to

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members could be working together, but in terms of the overall rules,

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the practicalities going to have to be dealt with at a local level, but

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you have the opportunity to argue that the duty of local authority to

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make people aware of changes could be raised at the next local

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government debate. On Tuesd`y, a Foreign Office minister told the

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house that is no agreement on judicial Corporation between the UK

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and Saudi governments. The Secretary of State visited Riyadh to sign a

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memo of understanding on judicial Corporation. The government refused

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to publish a memorandum, cotld we have a statement to explain the

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stark inconsistency? There will be plenty of occasions to challenge

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that in the coming weeks. Following the recent local government

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settlement, Lancashire County Council will have 713 million to

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spend, compared with 704 million this year, yet the Labour rtn

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council continue to slash sdrvices and waste money, the latest example

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being spending 6.6 million on consultants to help them iddntify

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cuts they can make. In a debate on local government finance to discuss

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the appalling way some of otr local councils are being run. We have a

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debate coming up on funding for rule all areas. It is quite noticeable at

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Conservative councils using the challenges real face have rhsen to

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the challenge is to deliver high quality services at a lower price of

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Labour councils are strugglhng with the money they have got. Drhven

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grouse shoots damage wildlife, increase water pollution, increase

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greenhouse gas emissions, increase water bills, resulted in thd illegal

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killing of Penn Harriers and shed water off the hillside, causing

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millions of pounds of damagd and floods, such as we have seen in

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recent weeks. Could we have a debate and vote on whether to abolhsh

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driven grouse shoots? We believe we should support our countryshde and

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our country traditions. Those on the other side of the house havd no

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interest in the ruble communities, no interest in the people who live

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in those communities and evdry time they go there, they do gym damage to

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those communities. -- rule `ll communities. -- rural communities. A

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student at a Glasgow collegds was removed from the UK, and now his

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home and those of his relathves have been raided by Pakistan authorities

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and he finds himself on the run While the government make a

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statement or a lover debate on government time and deportation and

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government removal orders and how we arrange a safe passage back to UK

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for those people served with those orders? I don't the details of the

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case, the Home Secretary will be fewer on Monday to answer qtestions.

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We have to provide a fair b`lance in this country be June providhng a

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refuge for people who are gdnuinely fleeing persecution, but we can t

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provide an open door for evdryone. In the last eight days, we have seen

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a Chinese government to valte its own currency and intervene

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aggressively on its own manufacturing business. Can we have

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a statement from the governlent on why they are supporting Chinese

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manufacturing, given the amount of steel which is flooding the UK

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market. We have Treasury qudstions coming up shortly and the

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opportunity will be there to question the Chancellor. It is right

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and proper to maintain closd ties with China, which is shaping up to

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be the world's biggest economy for this century.

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Many of my constituents havd lost Motability vehicles only to have

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them restored at a later date on subsequent appeal, but caushng a

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huge amount of distress, a real sense of isolation. Motabilhty is an

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important scheme and indeed, the welfare support we provide to people

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who face disability challenges is very important, but it is rhght and

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proper that we have gateways in place. One of the reasons wd change

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the system was that a large number of people who were receiving at an

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allowance or not the people who really needed it. In a statdment

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from piling minister and carbon reduction and building regulations,

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given that it is clear to all but ministers that it is more

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cost-effective to integrate solar power on buildings at the

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construction stage, both thd Greater London authority and the Scottish

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Government have improved thdir building regulations in this

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respect. Isn't it time that the rest of the United Kingdom followed suit?

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I think we have a wreckage `nd government second to none and

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encouraging the growth of ptpils in this country. In the last ydar, we

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have seen the level of electricity generated by renewables risd by 25%.

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But in the end, there has to be a degree of flexibility for btilders

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to decide what products thex actually build.

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During our enquiry, received evidence from industry experts that

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manufacturers were treating the safety regulations in order to get

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around them. Is it not the case that we now need a debate in this house

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on the regulation of cars and other vehicles on the road as far as

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software that is concerned `nd cheating devices used for elissions,

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because the list of countrids taking action across the world is getting

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longer, and the UK Government's silence is getting more defhnite. --

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If he feels the need to bring the matter to this house it shotld talk

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to the chair of the backbench business committee. If the DU was to

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confirm the status of coming is China, it would have a detrhmental

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effect on UK steel jobs. Cotld we have a statement in this hotse to

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update us on discussions in Europe on this matter and UK Government

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position? He will have that opportunity on Tuesday becatse the

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Foreign Secretary will take questions and I encourage hhm to put

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the point to the Foreign Secretary. We are long overdue a debatd on the

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Parliamentary and health service ombudsman. We have a nonsensical

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situation where it's supposdd to be the ombudsman for Parliament and

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parliamentarians, but the sxstem can only be changed if the government

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decides to bring forward legislation. Bollettieri 's in this

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house must have decisions on where the optimum instruction and

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ombudsman without fearing interference from government. In

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maybe the backbench business committee is the right way to test

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the views of this house and see how the people share his opinions. There

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is a matter of debate about the future of the ombudsman, how it s

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structured and how it works. I expect to see it debated in the

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coming months. We know this house relies on convention and following

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on from the comments from the Right Honourable friend from Gordon, can I

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get a statement from the le`der of the house to explain his

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understanding of collective carbon at responsibility, and what has to

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happen for Cabinet members who disagree with policy and how does

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that compare with a weak Prhme Minister who will allow his

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ministers to campaign against his own viewpoint? We have a grown-up

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approach to politics on this side of the house. We will have a great

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national debate and the prilers that has set out his position. Looking at

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the party opposite, and I don't blame the Scottish Nationalhsts for

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this, and they looked at thd vote on Syria, a free vote, and those who

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spoke out against the leader were sacked. We come to the backbench

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motion on the effect of the equalisation of the state pdnsion

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age on women. To move the motion, I call Mhairi Black. I beg to move the

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motion on the order paper. H want to thank the backbench committde for

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giving us the time to debatd this

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