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Is loyalty to the EU our patriotic duty? Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by former MEP Robert Kilroy-Silk. Plus, a film from the Liberal Democrat MEP Edward McMillan-Scott.


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Good afternoon. Welcome to The Daily Politics. The Prime Minister

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has arrived in Tripoli, along with the French President. It is the

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first visit by world leaders since the fall of Gaddafi. We will have

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the latest. MPs are more popular than ever. The expenses scandal may

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have faded, but could party funding be the next scandal to hit British

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politics? And it is in the midst of the biggest crisis since its

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inception. But is loyalty to the European Union a patriotic duty?

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And could Aref it nudge be enough, to save hundreds of millions of

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pounds of taxpayers' money? We have just saved 100 million,

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with that little nudge! Anyway, all of that to come. With us for the

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duration, former MP, N e be, and almost as big a star of daytime TV

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as some of us, Robert Kilroy-Silk. Yes!. The Prime Minister is in the

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Libyan capital, in Tripoli, along with President Sarkozy. They regard

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themselves as a couple of victors. It is an important moment for the

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new Libyan administration, as it seeks to establish itself. David

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Cameron is set to make a number of announcements, including the

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deployment of a UK military team to advise the National Transitional

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Council on security. He has also vowed to return �500 million worth

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of Libyan assets currently held in Britain. The Libyans will regard

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that only as a down payment, they're looking for billions and

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billions. Obviously, President Sarkozy and Prime Minister Cameron

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believe they were in the front of this, they will believe they have

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been vindicated. Are they a bit premature, going to Tripoli?

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Probably, I would think so. What I would like to ask, they have

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visited the Transitional Council, has Cameron visited any of our

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troops? Because I think that should have been his first port of call.

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Well, officially, we do not have any troops in Libya. Not troops, I

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meant servicemen and women, on ships. And in the air fields, not

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least in Cyprus. I would like to think that his first port of call

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would have been to go and talk to them. But leaving that to one side,

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was he right to go? I don't know, yes, if it is going to mean that we

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get contracts, let's be hard-headed about this. We want to get as much

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out of it as we can. Although we also want a democratic Libya. But I

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do suspect it is premature. worried that... Do you think he was

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right to intervene, and he has been vindicated by events? I think he

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has been vindicated, but I would not have wanted to sacrifice one

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British life. And we haven't, so far, touch wood. But I think

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revolutions have to be built from the bottom up. The Libyans have to

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deliver themselves and create their own society. That is the only way

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we can have real legitimacy or permanence, to give them help, yes,

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I'm in favour of that. But I would not have wanted to sacrifice any

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British blood for that. I did not see any Libyan brigade helping us

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out in Bosnia or Kuwait or Iraq or Afghanistan. I do not genuinely

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feel we have an obligation to actually help any revolution, by

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physical force. We made our own revolution in England, the

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Americans made their own revolution in America. The security is

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apparently incredible for the two of them, and I guess that will

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limit their ability to do much other than be there. Have the they

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have gone to a hospital. They are now going to give a joint press

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conference. Where they will talk about those practical issues.

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there are any major developments, we will bring them to you. Now, it

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is time for a quiz. It is one for those of you with a literary bent.

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We want you to match the political author to their novel. We have got

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author to their novel. We have got these ones... Is there a theme

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going on here? But who wrote them? The candidates are Iain Duncan

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Smith, Ann Widdecombe and Robert Kilroy-Silk. At the end of the show,

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we will give you the right answer. I know! Don't tell anybody, they

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will all be on Google right now. It is a test of non-intelligence! Last

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year's general election brought a record number of new MPs three of

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the taint of the expenses scandal. Public confidence in MPs is at an

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all-time low, according to a new report from the Committee on

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Standards in Public Life. It says that while MPs were already

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unpopular, confidence has fallen particularly steeply since 2008.

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Then, 46% of people thought MPs were dedicated to doing a good job.

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By last year, that figure has fallen to just 26%. It leaves MPs

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well below other public servants, such as judges or police officers.

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The only profession less trusted his tabloid journalists. So, what

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is behind this? The committee says the 2009 expenses scandal

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exacerbated the downward trend, and the election of a new government

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has not made people any more positive. Are there any rays of

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hope? Well, the survey was carried out at the end of last year, before

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MPs were seen to be crucial in exposing the malpractices of those

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same tabloid journalists. But the survey shows that party funding is

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of major concern to the public, with most people convinced that

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donations lead to special favours. The committee warns the issue will

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not go away. Joining us now from Sheffield, the Labour MP John Mann,

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and in the studio, a Conservative MP. Welcome to both of you. I guess,

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given that people regarded this scandal as being on such an

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industrial scale, one election is industrial scale, one election is

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not going to change public perception?

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A absolutely not, and I'm not remotely surprised. That episode

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did us a great deal of damage. But equally, I don't think a great deal

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has changed. People have always generally had a healthy disregard

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and disdain for politicians - well, for party politics. There is a kind

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of schizophrenia. If you ask people what they think about politicians,

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rather like journalists, they will say they are rubbish. But then they

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will say, of course, you're all right. There are 650 members of

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parliament, most of the working very hard. Locally, that is

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recognise, but nationally, it isn't. How long will be expensive scandal

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-- expenses scandal overshadowed British politics? Oh, for a long

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time to come. Until Parliament gets its act together and is totally

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transparent, and shows it is willing to be transparent, it will

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go on. This is a cynicism and apathy building up, and that's the

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real danger. They treat us with suitable contempt, really. Looking

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at the last few years, you cannot blame them. The one politician who,

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in the election, claimed to be different, famously unsuccessfully,

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was Nick Clegg, and he went in on one big policy, tuition fees, and

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then immediately did exactly the opposite. I think that has

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reinforced the cynicism, where the public believes that politicians,

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you are meant to have cleaned up your act. You have invented all of

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these new bodies, expenses online, and all the rest of it - what more

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needs to be done, in your view? is a good job that the public is

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not taking too much interest. Because if they listen to all the

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whingeing in Parliament about the new systems, and having some

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transparency and accountability, they will be even more apathetic or

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hostile. What we need to be seen to be done is to be fighting for

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people, for the things that they regard as important, being there

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for them, and talking straight. I think the one big difference is

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that politicians should be prepared to give honest answers, regardless

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of the consequences. I think that would go a long way to restoring

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some faith in the process. It would make my job a lot easier as well.

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Are you one of the whingers? there is no point in whingeing,

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nobody makes us do it. I'm not whingeing. I will tell you, I will

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whinge about John. If we're going to look after people, the House is

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sitting today, I chaired a committee this morning to do with

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renewable energy. There is a debate going on about poverty in the

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Chamber of the House of Commons, and he is in Sheffield. Do you

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think what I'm doing in Sheffield? I'm trying to do something about

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the care homes that your government has just privatised in my area.

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Following that, I have a public meeting on people who have been

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charged wrongly for accessing their own homes. So I have got a full day

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of campaign activity today. I have also got to catch up on a meeting

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on the closure of a doctor's surgery, where I could not be at

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the public meeting because those in parliament yesterday. So, that is

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the kind of whingeing... Point just made epitomises what people just

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like about British politics. He had no knowledge of why you were in

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Sheffield, you may have been there for a variety of good reasons. But

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he makes that jibe, and it is exactly the kind of thing which

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puts people off politics. Let's not be holier than thou about this. We

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all know that politicians have to spend a considerable amount of time

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in their constituencies. But beating each other up about this,

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which is what Mr mam was doing, does not help at all. I'm simply

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trying to make a book up. -- make a point. Nobody says you have to

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stand for election, we do it because we choose to do it, and

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mainly for the right reasons. I believe that out of 650

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constituencies, by and large, people have a reasonable amount of

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time for their members of parliament. Collectively, they do

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not, but then collectively, they do not like bankers or lawyers or

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journalists, either. This report seems to bring out a public

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distrust of the way the parties are funded. This is deep disquiet about

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how Labour is now incredibly dependent on the unions, probably

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more so than ever. And there have been stories recently about the

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Conservatives changing the planning rules, and there seems to be quite

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a bit of money from property developers. Yes, people think that

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all the political parties and politicians are so desperate for

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money that they will be prepared to be influenced in order to get money

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off people or organisations. And that certainly is a problem. It is

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a difficult one to solve, and we are nowhere near as bad as, say,

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the United States, in relation to that. But there is a problem there.

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There is no simple answer to this. Probably what we have got at the

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moment is about the least worst. I would not pretend it is ideal.

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Members of parliament have to spend quite a lot of time fund-raising to

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fight elections. You give me �12,000, which is what I am allowed

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to spend on my election, and that's fine, it saves me having to

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campaign for it. I thought the taxpayer pays. But there is a limit.

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I know that. But you said, you give me... I'm saying, if the taxpayer

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pays it, it would relieve me of that burden, but I'm not sure the

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taxpayer would welcome that. They would be absolutely incandescent.

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Everybody is having to be more careful, people are losing their

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jobs, I have had a 20% production in my own private pension in the

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last year. You went to do I'm a celebrity, while you were still

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being paid to be an MEP. If you want to talk about that, which is

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going off the subject... Can I come back to this first? I did not

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fiddle any expenses. I did not say that. Like the former Prime

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Minister, who found it acceptable that the taxpayer should fund a

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summer house for his children. How could he believe that was

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acceptable? The present Prime Minister thought it was appropriate

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that he should have his flowers pruned by the taxpayer. How could

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anybody assume that was right and proper? I do not think the taxpayer

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wants to fund political parties. We have run out of time, thank you

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very much to all of you. Moving on to a different subject,

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Greece is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Confidence in Spain and

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Italy is faltering. The euro is in crisis, if you haven't noticed. It

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is all grist to the mill for our Euro-sceptic guest of the day,

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Robert Kilroy-Silk. But we found a man whose faith in the EU has not

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wavered, Liberal Democrat MEP Euro-sceptics from Enoch Powell to

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Jimmy Goldsmith to Robert Kilroy- Silk, and their like-minded parties,

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have always end live and chat shows and filled the pages of yellow

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papers like there's, with their cries of Europe, retreat, retreat!

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There's always a conspiracy, but actually it's just part for Britain.

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In my mind, real patriots have always believed that Britain should

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have a leading role in Europe. I was born in the week in which

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Winston Churchill made his famous speech and the United States of

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Europe, but since then our capacity to lead has often been undermined

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by the Euro-sceptics, or by cowardly nationalists, for neither

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understand nor care about Britain's international role or the national

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Now, the Conservative Party has forgotten the legacy of Churchill,

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Macmillan and Thatcher, and David Cameron's content-free policy,

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let's Not I'm on about Europe, is frankly a cover for his shilly-

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shallying over the subject and his terror of the right in his own

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party, and the right just beyond. Thankfully, the coalition has

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forced a level-headed approach to Europe, but one day soon David

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Cameron must decisively confront extremists in his own party, the UK

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and the tendency. That is in Britain's interest. -- the UKIP

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tendency. We are joined from the European Parliament by Edward

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McMillan-Scott. Robert Kilroy-Silk is still here. Being patriotic is

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to be a good European, and Britain's interests lie at the

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heart of the odd. That is tendentious, and I resent that from

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someone like Edward. I'm will not allow anyone to dispute my

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patriotism, and I do not think it is a measure of patriotism that you

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do not want to be governed by an autocratic organisation like

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Brussels. My father and brother gave their lives so we can be true.

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I'm not a nationalist. I want us to have good relations with Europe, I

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want us to trade with Europe, I want us to have free travel, all

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the things we do in co-operation. I have a house in Europe, I love you.

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What I do not want to do is be governed by then, that is all. I

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want to be governed by my own parliament, by my own people.

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from the reference about being patriotic, that view that has been

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outlined by Robert Kilroy-Silk is now becoming much more mainstream.

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It is held by many, many people, and many people in the Conservative

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Party also hold that view. Is it just out the window? I think the

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problem is that people like David Cameron and the predecessor leaders

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of the party, Iain Duncan Smith and so on, failed to lead from the

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front. Now that Cameron is in power, he is finding that he has to

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accommodate to Europe, do deals with Europe, but of course by

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breaking with the mainstream, which he did in 2005, the mainstream PVV

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party, he lost his alliance. So he has to do it like cold-calling. I

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do not think that is in the national interest, that is my main

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point. But also it is a fact that because of people like Robert

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pushing from the sidelines, the Tory party has become, essentially

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Euro-sceptic. Are they pushing from the sidelines? I am not sure they

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are in the way that you describe. Robert Kilroy-Silk. We have

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majority opinion behind us. Edward, how can you deny your own Prime

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Minister, who has never had a vote on whether or not we should be

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members of the European... Anyone under 54 has never been allowed to

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have a vote on whether we should be part of this imploding European

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Union. How can you deny as a vote? Panos... The vote might go in

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favour... Five what good is it to its if it implodes? -- What good is

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it too as if it implodes? It would be a disaster for the United

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Kingdom. They are incapable of sorting it out! Let him answer.

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them get on with it. I believe what will happen is not so much economic

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governance but economic government, because what you have now needs is

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much more decisive economic management. The euro was set up

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basically on false pretences by governments who didn't really

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reckon with the reality of the markets. Now they are finding that

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the market is pushing it around, and they have destabilise it by

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having a tighter and tougher regime at the centre. We may not like it,

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but that is what is necessary. that politically palatable? Will

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the British people agree to tie Britain's interests closer or even

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the eurozone to be tied closer when we have the risk of Greek the vault

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around the corner which could lead to contagion and another banking

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crisis? If it doesn't affect the UK directly. What affects the UK is

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whether the euro gets into trouble. It is our major trading partner. We

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need the single market. It is in deep trouble. I cannot give a toss

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about the euro... Or why should we want to continue to be part of the

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EU if it cannot solve a problem like Greece? As you rightly say, it

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is an important problem and it will have an impact upon all of us, but

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it is very simple, small, straightforward, it can be sorted

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out. The Germans could sort it out tomorrow. Cheshire County Council

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could probably give them a loan to sort it out, but they do not have

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the political will, the leadership, the strategy, any concept of what

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to do. Robert, you are creating a Trefoil cell. They cannot run

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themselves! You are creating a Trefoil self. The answer is that

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you do not want more Europe, but you are going to get it. We are not

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part of it, but it is important to us that it succeeds and continues

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to do well. It has managed to hold inflation, create 40 million jobs.

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It is in crisis today, we do not dispute that, but I hope it will be

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resolved quickly. Looking at the wider questions about Europe, the

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single market, environment, trade, transport, all these matters that

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have to be worked out between our continental partners, ourselves and

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the Irish, these things require a framework, and that is the European

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Union. If it did not exist, you would have to invent it. Who should

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Euro-sceptic voters back nowadays? The Conservatives? UKIP? That is a

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difficult question. If the Conservatives gave a commitment and

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meant it and did not remain on their promises, if they gave a

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commitment to hold a referendum, and in the absence of that, the

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defeat of that, to repatriate sovereign powers, people should

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vote Conservative, absolutely, because they can get the deal. But

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what is wrong with actually asking people whether we want to be

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lumbered with it? Why don't they trust us? Why don't they accept

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that it is our country and our community and we have a right to

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have a say? People under 54 have never had an opportunity to have a

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voice. Can I make it quite clear... Very briefly. I am not opposed to a

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referendum, nor is the Liberal Democrat party, but, but, but on

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what basis? Maybe it should also be about in and out, aside from the

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question of the referendum ballot paper. Thank you very much.

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while we were discussing Europe, the new leader of Libya has praised

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the brave support of David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy for their help

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end Libya. There is a report out today from

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the Government's behaviour of insight team. -- behavioural. It

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sounds vaguely Orwellian. It claims hundreds of millions of pounds can

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be saved by nudging us out of our bad habits. Charles has taken to

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the psychiatrist's Chair to make sense of it all.

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And then of course my mother didn't really understand me. There is a

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school of thought that things anyone who thinks psychology can

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tell you anything about anything needs their head examining, but

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frankly these days they are in a minority. Indeed, behaviour of

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insights are now the very stuff of government, with, since July last

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year, its own team. So what are they have they? They want to know

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just, you know, nudge, minus the wink wink, say no more. The idea is

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that to change behaviour without reward on centres, nor with fines

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and punishments, but by making us think it was our idea to change in

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the first place, persuade us that certain behaviours are simply not

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acceptable and that he would feel somehow wrong doing them or better

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if you change. Mergers that have worked, and you may have seen,

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littering, signs saying, other people do not drop litter here. Tax

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demands including explanations that most people had already paid, we do

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believe, boosted repayment rates by 15%. Encouraging patients to read

:24:52.:24:57.

back details of their appointments apparently boosted attendance by

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30%. Nudging it as has entered the sphere of organ donation, food

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choices and the environment. It is here to stay, although he does have

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its critics, and there are those mumbo-jumbo. And there is one

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question. If this is the GCap answer to changing the way we are

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without being branded the nanny state, bare mind that analogy. The

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matter may have changed, but Nanny is still in charge. My appointment

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is 3pm next Thursday! The theory being that if you repeat

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it, you are more likely to turn up. We are joined by the Government's

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adviser on behavioural science. Professor Nick Chater, welcome.

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Let's get this right, it is a way of cutting government spending

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under the cover of American behavioural psychologist mumbo-

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jumbo. Well, I think actually the main objective is not to cut

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government spending but to employ what we know about the site of

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human behaviour to design policies in a way that interact and

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interface better with people. A good example would the road signs,

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which we do not feel oppressed by off-field are much to do with

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public spending. They are very carefully designed to help us

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navigate our way around at the right speed and took part in

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organised fashions rather than all around the car park. The general

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spirit of that is that it should be applied more broadly in government,

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all that is what the behaviour of insights seem things. And if you do

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not follow those eyes, you get fined or go to jail! You need to do

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research. One of the reasons that these insights are hard to come by

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is that you need to try out different approaches and test them

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out. The behaviour of Inside Sport inside steam. Insights. You have

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got more than one inside? And not be represented to the team, I am an

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academic on the board. The whole budget for the team is 500,000 per

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year. Why are we smiling? Why are we taking this seriously? If it is

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not a huge team. What have you achieved? Half a dozen nurses.

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think there are two of three implemented acts, and one is

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changing the way that organ donations are registered. When you

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get a driving licence, you now have to make an explicit choice whether

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you want to be on the register, whereas before you had to actively

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say yes. In one case they put someone on without telling her.

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is that a nudge and not just a change in the form? It is often

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very subtle. One should not take nudges to exhaust everything that

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behavioural insights cover, but they are very tiny changes that can

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have a big impact. You can raise the number of people the register

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by a factor of two earth by a subtle change of that time. We are

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waiting to save. What is your view? I do not want somebody standing

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over my shoulder nudging me for kicking me under the dinner table

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to tell me what I should do or say. I have already got one of those, it

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is called a wife. If charming. Leave us alone, please. Let's have

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less government. We have only got a few minutes. Professor, has it got

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a future? So I certainly, behavioural insights as a topic

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have a large feature. Warwick Business School has a growing team

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working on this. Every large corporate has a unit working on a

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problem. If you take the scale of government in relation to the

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amount of research in the corporate sector, we are under loaded in the

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amount of behaviour is that we are trying to extract. Nudging you! The

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