22/09/2011 Daily Politics


22/09/2011

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn with political stories. The economy is still weak and the Bank of England is thinking of emergency action. What, if anything, will reassure the markets?


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Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics. We are back from

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Birmingham and not an emergency motion or a warm glass of cheap

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white wine in sight! But it is not all good news. The economy is back

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in intensive care and the Bank of England is preparing for emergency

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action. Again! But what, if anything, will reassure the

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markets? The Travellers of Dale Farm await tomorrow's High Court

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decision. If it goes against them, they face eviction. The leader of

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the council will join us. And, David Cameron is in America, urging

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all and sundry to visit this country? So what slogan is he using

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to sell Broken Britain to the Yanks? Will Cool Britannia ride

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And with us for the duration, Toby Young, former writer for the Modern

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Review and Vanity Fair. And now the co-founder of the West London Free

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School, which has just opened in Welcome to the programme. So, first

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up, Toby. You are the man who persuaded Vanity Fair to do that

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big splash on Cool Britannia. Take a look at all these. This is the

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new advertising campaign David Cameron is launching in New York.

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The slogan - is GREAT - in capital letters - Britain - You're invited.

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These are some of the posters. Not quite the broken Britain theme he's

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What do you think? They looked OK. When we had the conversation at

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Vanity Fair, we were sitting around the table, trying to persuade them

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that Britain was back. They imagined that detecting where does

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zeitgeist did, the forensic scientific process, divining rods

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and putting up antennae, it is about whether you can say it

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confidently enough. If you can do that make you can persuade

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everybody it is back and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Does it

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have the better bring about it, Cool Britannia? Great Britain has

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been around for longer. Americans refer to us as Great Britain.

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this a slightly different thing? Great Britain is being sold to the

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Americans. Cool Britannia was a mark-making politics cool as well.

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It was about Number 10 getting involved. -- about making. Tony

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Blair hesitated about being photographed by Vanity Fair. It was

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before he had been elected. It came up at the beginning of 1997, just

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before the election. John Major could have claimed credit for

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having created this phenomenon. He was the Prime Minister at the time.

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Tony Blair was talking about, wouldn't we be crediting John Major

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with it? In the end he was persuaded that Labour would be

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profiting in this. I did not realise about John Major being the

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true architect of Cool Britannia. There was a sense of optimism in

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1997. The economy was on the rise. The economy was going well and

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there was a lot of creativity going on in the British culture. That is

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true. That certainly does not seem to be as pronounced now. I think

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that, given the Olympics are coming up, and things are pretty grim in

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America as well, I do not think that tourism will fall of next year.

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There were the riots. They talked about Britain having a broken

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society. It seems incongruous to say, it is great here. Parts of

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society can be broken but overall it is a great country. What can we

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expect any Prime Minister - a Labour, Liberal or conservative -

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to do? Do not think the broken society bit is overplayed? I'm not

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sure how widely that is played abroad. The Government of trying to

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do something to restore confidence in Britain in the wake of the riots.

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Can you remember where that phrase came from, Cool Britannia? I do not

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know. It came from a band. They coined the phrase. I can assure you,

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they were not cool. You had all their records, didn't you? I did.

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I'm not singing any of them. The Business Secretary, Vince Cable,

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gave a pretty gloomy assessment of our economic prospects at his party

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conference. It is all grey skies ahead, he warned. There are no

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sunny uplands in sight. In fact, he told us all to don our flak jackets

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and tin hats. This, he said, is war. We now face a crisis that is the

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economic equivalent of war and this is not a time for business as usual

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or politics as usual. You never mistake him for a rate of sunshine.

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The International Monetary Fund has been warning that the world economy

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is entering a dangerous new phase. Well, last night, the Americans

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launched Operation Twist - a $400 billion offensive, trying to

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prevent the world's biggest economy sliding back into recession. The

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Federal Reserve hopes the new campaign can prevent a dangerous

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phase turning into a full-scale slump. In Europe, Greece is still

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in retreat. Prime Minister George Papandreou is still trying to

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negotiate another �96 billion to get the country through the next

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month or two. Economic growth forecasts in the Eurozone have been

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slashed. Down from 2% to 1.6%. But some think even that might turn out

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to be optimistic. And here at home, growth forecasts are also on the

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slide. Down from 1.5% to 1.1%. Down again for the third time in a year.

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The IMF is normally pretty keen on cutting back deficits. But this

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lack of growth has got it worried. Because if there is no growth,

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there is not much in the way of tax receipts. And paying off the

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deficit gets more difficult still. In a recent report, the IMF said

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that if this goes on, David Cameron and Angela Merkel should consider

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delaying some of their planned adjustment in Britain and Germany.

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That's IMF speak for easing back on the cuts. And we now know that the

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Bank of England came close to ordering a second round of what is

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called quantitative easing at their meeting last month. That's printing

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money and spreading it around to you and me. The papers are calling

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it Operation QE2. So, that's Vince Cable's war crisis. And it most

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certainly won't be over by Christmas. With us now is the

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Shadow Business minister, Labour's Chuka Umunna. And for the

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Conservatives, Matt Hancock - a former Bank of England economist

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and ex chief of staff to George Osborne. He is just a humble MP

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these days. His career has obviously hit the buffers. Under

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the last Labour but -- government, when the printing of money was

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beginning, George Osborne said, printing money is the last resort

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of desperate governments, when all other policies have failed. So,

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you're desperate and all other policies have failed... Gordon

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Brown certainly got us into a desperate state. At the root of

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this is the debt crisis. We need to understand this is a debt crisis

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before we can think about how to get out of it. We have the highest

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amount of debt as a proportion of our income of any major government

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in a country ever. We know that. Buy your own words, although George

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Osborne said them, I suspect they are your words, you wrote them, the

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fact we now seem to be heading for a second round of quantitative

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easing is a sign that all your existing policies have failed and

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that we are desperate. Well, we were in a desperate situation.

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are in it again? Look at what is going on around the world! In the

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euro area they have a debt crisis and a cordon Asian crisis of have

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to get out of it. The Americans are in a very difficult position. What

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we do have here is a clear plan to tackle the debt. We have always

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been straightforward about the fact that the best way out of the debt

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crisis is to face the debt - have a plan to do with them - and allow

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monetary policy to act and keep the economy going on the right track.

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It is up to the Bank of England. As the minutes yesterday showed they

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have talking about whether they need to do quantitative easing.

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Labour position is that spending has been cut by too much, too

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quickly. Is that a rough summary? That is right. If you look at the

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figures we got from the ONS last week, as a result of that, 111,000

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jobs further weight in the public sector. Only 41,000 where created

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in the private sector. Let me ask you this, if I have categorised the

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position correctly. I had two further questions. By how much has

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government spending been cut in the current year and how much would you

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cut it? I cannot give you the exact figure for the current year.

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cannot. I will give it to them. Government spending in this

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financial year - 2011/2012 - has been cut in total by 0.7%. By how

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much less would you cut it? As I said, I am not able to give you the

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exact figure. That is not much anyway. You're looking at a

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proportion of GDP. No, overall public spending. Are you really

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saying that is too much, too quickly? There is still a big

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difference between what we're proposing and they are proposing.

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They are imposing �10 million more of taxes in the form of the VAT

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rise. That will cost about �450 a year. You have got them to-ing �30

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million more worth of cuts. Would you not do these cuts? -- �230

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million. Public spending is only going down by 0.7% this year. It

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seems you have not got much latitude to do less. It is not

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being cut by much anyway. Would you cut it a tall and increase

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spending? I cannot give you a specific figure. -- at all. We

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would look to reduce the deficit - half the deficit - over the course

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of the parliament instead of eliminating it. The big thing that

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is affecting the economy at the moment is conflict. It is the

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question of what people think will happen in the future. I do not

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think there will be much confidence. The Spending Review was announced

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in October of last year. We saw confidence nosedived -- nosedive.

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We were talking about the international context. We have seen

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our economies claimed more than any other country in the G7, apart from

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Japan, which of course had the earthquake. We are seeing a

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detrimental impact on the economy. In the last quarter, it was not

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good but UK growth was the second- fastest in the GDP. You are talking

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about decimal points. It was 0.2%. You do not get confidence by not

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having a plan. He cannot tell you what the Labour Party plan is.

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me hear from Toby Young. I will give you some decimal points. The

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IMF did revise down its forecast by 0.1%. It also revised down the

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spend forecast -- Spain will cost to 0.8% and the Italian broadcast

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by 0.6%. -- forecast. There is no major Western economy in which you

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can have great confidence, with the possible exception of Germany.

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we just rise above this petty point-scoring? Any of us can do

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that. There is a very serious crisis going on. It is very serious

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in the eurozone. It is very serious in America. Far better is to have a

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plan that involves all of the... Having a plan to get to deal with

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government debts but also allowing the economy to be managed by the

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Bank of England. That is a very clear plan this government has. In

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this great crisis... Tell me one major economic indicator for this

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The business investment has been doing better than others. It is on

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it back. This morning, there was a survey of manufacturing

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expectations, which was reasonably positive. Let's not say it...

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working? You need a plan that will work. We have seen record borrowing

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in August, and you have seen... should be in favour of that, so why

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are you complaining? Matthew has been saying they have a plan and it

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is working, and that is to reduce the deficit by a large amount. But

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it isn't working. In the last year of the Labour government, borrowing

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came in �20 billion lower than forecast, because the last Labour

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government had a plan and it was working. The golden economic

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heritage. We are going to have to leave it there. You got the last

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word in! OK, I'll do it!

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It is often said that politicians need thick skins, not least when

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accused of things they wish they hadn't done in their youth. 15

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years ago, some things, particularly admitting taking drugs,

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might have wrecked a promising career. Is that still true today,

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or does it matter less these days? Dear, oh dear, oh dear. The things

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people get up to. And how gleefully it is reported, and how we shake

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our heads. Or do we? You see, with these now infamous allegations

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about Chancellor George Osborne, the dominatrix call girl and

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cocaine, allegations he has always strongly denied, we haven't

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actually had legions of calls for his resignation, or to hang his

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head in shame. In fact, all we have had his some rather bad political

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teasing. The Chancellor of the Exchequer has lashed himself to the

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mast. Non for the first time, perhaps.

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heard that George Osborne is keen to get on the show as well. He

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wants to do a line dance. When you have stitched up your sides, ask

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yourself this. Have we, as an electorate, accepted the President

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of Jacqui Smith in 2007, the first serving Home Secretary to admit she

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smoked cannabis as a student. 40 years earlier, the position David

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Cameron took when asked about drugs. I didn't spend the early years of

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my life thinking, I better not do anything because one day I might be

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a politician, because I didn't know I might be a politician. I haven't

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answered the question because I think it is all in the past and I

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don't think you have to answer it. Louise Mensch dealt with

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allegations she took drugs with a humorously frank response.

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Basically admitting it. It is the cover-up that will kill a

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politician, not the crime. The public want to see be honest, it is

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better to be honest and cover it up and admit it three years later. It

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was a long time ago, I said it was the idiotic behaviour of youth, but

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there are awful lot of people, politicians, broadcasters, probably

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judges, who have had the same peccadilloes in their youth and

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have grown out of it, and I genuinely believe the public does

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Top I don't think it is less on morality. In fact it is rather more

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on variety. People want to know where a key -- on morality. People

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want to know why politician stands on global warming, capital

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punishment, but they are not so bothered about those ordinary

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private life things. If the defence of youth is one we now accept,

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where is the cut-off? I can't say where youth ends, but it is like

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the famous definition of pornography by the Supreme Court

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justice, I know it when I see it. At some point, you are regarded you

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should have done your growing up, I can't say when that is. The key

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cut-off point is when you enter public life and stand for office,

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and your legislating on things like drugs legislation. You can do it in

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your youth but not when you are a politician. Amidst this story, you

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might have expected me to make some bad puns along the lines of

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government whips all things not to be sniffed at. But I am not going

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to do that. I draw the line somewhere.

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Is Louise Mensch right? Does the public not care about indiscretions

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and bad behaviour before we get into politics? I don't think they

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care as much as they did and if they do, I don't think they should.

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I thought this might come up, I did a bit of doodling. -- Google in.

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Political Lord Roseberry used to take cocaine, when it was legal,

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before speaking in the House of Commons. Kennedy, of course, was on

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such a massive cocktail of drugs that during the Cuban missile

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crisis, he rattled whenever he got up. What is a point of morality?

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we rule people out of high office on the grounds of a slightly

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chequered past, we would be restricting the pool of politicians

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to a very narrow group, and some of the best people are people who have

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dallied with trucks in the past. Not wanting to be a cynic, but --

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drugs in the past. Going back to this idea of being tough on drug-

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taking, youngsters who have committed crimes, it might strike

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people as a bit strange, David Cameron, Louise Mensch, saying this

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was my misspent youth, you can't chastise me now. When we are

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resting people for doing that same thing -- arresting people. It is

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hypocritical and that is why I'm in favour of decriminalising or less

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all drugs. You don't think it ruins the political message in that

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sense? I don't think so. I don't think George Osborne is identified

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with a particularly draconian, say no to drugs policy. I don't think

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it is particularly relevant. Once in politics? Then I think you are

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under obligation to give it up and leave it behind you. I hope they

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are listening. And live a chaste and perfect life,

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like us. Tomorrow, the High Court will

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decide whether or not to allow the bailiffs back into Dale Farm in

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Basildon. The site is owned and occupied by a community of

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travellers. They bought it from a car scrapyard dealer in 1996. But

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the local council says that part of the site, which is in the green

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belt, has been developed without the necessary planning permissions.

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This has all been going on for more than a decade. On Monday, the court,

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at the last minute, granted the residence and order which prevented

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their lives from beginning to clear the site. A whole load of other

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protesters who joined in, they claim to be there in solidarity.

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There is always the danger it could turn nasty. With me, the leader of

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Basildon Council, Tony Ball, and Yvonne MacNamara, who speaks for

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the Irish Travellers Movement in Britain. Welcome. If you look at

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this from the outside, part of the site got planning permission, has

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been developed, and isn't going to be touched. The other part didn't,

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and you have to get out. What is wrong with that? There is a lot

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wrong with it. Firstly, morally, it legally, it economically, this is

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very wrong. Two weeks ago, I sat in a caravan, trying to explain to an

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11-year-old, Eileen O'Brien, who has written the letter to David

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Cameron, why she can no longer live in Dale Farm in a caravan... Isn't

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that the fault of her parents for being in an area which doesn't have

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planning permission? No. I delete what is happening here, is there is

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a national shortage of travellers' Every local authority in this

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country has a statutory requirement to identify need. When they

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identified the needs of the local Gypsy Traveller community, which

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Basildon have done, they tend to leave that report sitting on the

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shelf gathering dust, they don't implement it. Basildon Council

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themselves have identified there is a need for 62, that is minimum...

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There is a need for a lot of things, it doesn't justify breaking the law.

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A lot of people don't have homes in this country and meet them, but

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they don't break the law. Nobody is advocating that people should break

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the law. But when people are absolutely desperate, local

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authorities are not providing the homes. Let me... Let me bring in a

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local authority here. This has been going on for 10 years. You are now

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going to have to move families who have been there for a long while.

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Given the length of it, and given that part of the site is legal and

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has planning permission, why don't you draw a line under it and say,

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the whole side will now be covered. -- the whole site. We have learned

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lessons, it won't happen again, but the whole site will be subject to

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planning, they will be allowed to stay there and we will enforce

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rigorously, every other part of the law. To a certain extent you have

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answered your own question, where do you draw the line? I am saying

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you do it here. Why? The site was developed illegally in 2001. We all

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know we need to get planning permission before we develop. That

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cannot be seen to be rewarded, and it is a question of equality for

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everybody. What will stop someone making a similar case, if they

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wanted their grandmother to move in with them, and building a home in

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their garden? There has to be consistency. I agree there is a

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national shortage, but that can't be a reason for them taking the law

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into your own hands. Why don't you provide the sites for the people?

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Basildon is the largest provider in his Essex. I want to ask you this.

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What I think a lot of people don't understand. If this is a travelling

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community, why are they fighting so hard to stay put? This shows a huge

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gap in information. The ethnic identity is the tablet community,

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yes. Under the -- traveller community. Under the race Relations

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Act they are protected. I am committed to your question. Why do

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they want accommodation? I am coming to it. Allow me to answer

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the question. They have a right to allow for self-determination but we

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have conflicting pieces of legislation, that if the travellers

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travel the highways and byways of this country, there are no longer a

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transient sites provided. Local authorities are not providing the

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transient sites for them. Are they no longer travellers? Are they

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going to become permanent They are travellers. They are

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continuously being harassed and moved on. There is no place else

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for them to go. I am missing something, if they want a permanent

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place to go, it would seem they are no longer travellers question of

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you are a Scottish man? OK. Because you have come to live here in

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London, it doesn't automatically mean you are now an Englishman. You

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are still a Scottish month. Traveller is the ethnic identity of

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Are you still determined, despite the dangers of violence and the

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fact that families and old people will be moved, to get them out. I

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come back to my original point. Would it not be better to say, we

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have all learnt lessons from this prolonged case, we're not going to

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have a fight over it, we are going to draw the line here and move on?

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Many things that are forgotten are the actual reasons. Is this an

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appropriate place to have 52 pots, plus over 30... You gave them half

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of it, and it was a car dealership. -- 52 plots. A scrapyard. A very

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small part of it had a licence to be a scrap dealership.

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significant part. That was illegally and large and we enforced

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against that. I understand that the travellers might have bought... But

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with rights becomes as -- come responsibilities. A brief talk from

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youth, Toby Young. Presumably you would like to have lots of

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transient sides that you can travel to and from two, rather than one

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permanent site, and your argument is we need this, because we're not

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allowed to go anywhere else. Absolutely not allowed. If there is

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If there is a national shortage, people need somewhere to live

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during the winter as well. The children need to go to school.

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afraid we have run out of time but I thank you both for being with us.

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Just time to give you the answer to yesterday's guess the year

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competition. It was 1982. You recognised the Falklands War, Tony

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Blair fighting and losing the Beckinsale by-election. You get to

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pick the winner. Just read out the name. Bill Horrocks from Aberdeen.

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Well done. We will send the mug to you. That is it for today. That's

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all for today. Thanks to all our guests, especially to the Toad-

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meister - as he's called on Twitter - Toby Young. I am back tonight for

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the first This Week in ages, where I will be joined by Michael

:28:45.:28:47.

Portillo, Jacqui Smith and Charles Kennedy. Leading fiddle-meister

:28:47.:28:49.

Nigel Kennedy will speaking up for travellers and American comedian

:28:49.:28:52.

Reginald D Hunter will be casting an eye over national stereotypes.

:28:52.:28:55.

The economy is still weak and the Bank of England is thinking of emergency action. What, if anything, will reassure the markets?

The Travellers of Dale Farm await a High Court decision on Friday. If it goes against them they face eviction. The leader of Basildon council, Tony Ball, joins the programme.

David Cameron is in America urging all to visit the country - so what slogan is he using to sell Broken Britain to the Yanks? Or will Cool Britannia ride again?

The guest of the day is Toby Young, and the winner of Guess the Year is drawn.


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