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Afternoon, welcome to The Daily Politics. As political weeks go, | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
hold on - this one's going to be a bumpy ride. Today, we've had a | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
warning. The OECD says the UK economy may double dip back into | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
recession, and policy makers around the world must prepare to "face the | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
worst". Tomorrow, the Chancellor George Osborne will set out how | :00:40. | :00:50. | |
he's going to try and prove the doom-mongers wrong. The word on the | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
Westminster street is that he's planning a "game-changer" budget. | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
And on Wednesday, unless there's a last-minute change of mind, the | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
unions walk out in a row over pensions. Schools will shut, | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
airports will be in chaos and the Marines are on standby to man the | :01:02. | :01:12. | |
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borders. All we need now is for it All that, in the next half hour. | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
With us for the whole programme today is Sir Michael Wilshaw, the | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
man who's been called a "miracle maker". He made Mossbourne Academy | :01:18. | :01:28. | |
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Now he's becoming Chief Inspector of Schools. If you have any | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
thoughts or comments on anything we're discussing, you can send them | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
to us at [email protected] First today, the mass walkout by | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
public sector workers on Wednesday looks certain to go ahead after | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
Dave Prentis - he's the general secretary of the trade union, | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
Unison - said there was "absolutely no chance" of reaching a deal with | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
the Government. And earlier this morning, the Education Secretary | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
Michael Gove raised the stakes in a strongly worded speech at the think | :01:48. | :01:58. | |
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tank, Policy Exchange. On Wednesday, TUC leaders will call on their | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
members to bring Britain to a halt. Among those union leaders are | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
people who fight hard for their members and whom I respect. But | :02:07. | :02:13. | |
there are also hard liners, militants, itching for a fight. | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
They want families to be inconvenienced. They want mothers | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
to give up a day's work, or pay for expensive childcare, because | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
schools will be closed. They want teachers and other public sector | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
workers to lose a day's pay in the run-up to Christmas. Sir Michael | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
Wilshaw was listening to the Education Secretary. Are you | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
supporting the strikes? No, I don't. We have to face the fact that we | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
have got 1 million or so young people unemployed, looking for a | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
job, desperate for a job. They need to be given the skills and | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
qualifications to get those jobs. They need to spend every day in | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
school or college. They will be missing out. As far as I am | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
concerned, the teaching force needs to think about the moral imperative | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
of giving young people a chance to get on in life. What about your | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
staff and their pensions? They have got a job and they have pensions. | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
There are concerns about the level of those pensions but those young | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
people will be struggling to get a job and get a pension in the first | :03:20. | :03:27. | |
place. What about the day of action itself? Does it have a major impact | :03:27. | :03:36. | |
on children's learning -- learning or is it just a days lost? | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
disruption perfects schools, even a day out affects the routine of life. | :03:41. | :03:47. | |
It is sometimes difficult to get it back to where it was. You had said | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
that people should be grateful, teachers should be grateful they | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
have got a job. There is quite a strong level of support from the | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
public. The BBC poll has indicated there is 61% in favour, so people | :03:59. | :04:06. | |
do feel some sympathy. Yes. There obviously is sympathy for some of | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
the action that is being taken. But there must be other ways of | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
resolving this dispute, rather than walking out of school and other | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
education institutions. You think it is irresponsible for heads to | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
follow action. Because there are examples of heads striking for the | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
very first time. I wouldn't do it. I think the heads have got to weigh | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
up their responsibilities. And the financial settlement over the last | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
10 years has been good for headteachers. A lot of head | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
teachers are on a good salary and they should think about that before | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
turning to industrial action. we will have more on that later in | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
the programme. Tomorrow - as I've said - we've got | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
the Chancellor's big statement on the economy to the House of Commons. | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
Technically, it's not supposed to be a Budget - just the normal | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
updating of MPs about the state of our finances that takes place in | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
the Autumn each year. But it will be a hugely important moment, one | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
which will set out the Government's strategy for promoting growth in | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
the context of some pretty dismal economic predictions today The OECD | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
has predicted this morning that the UK will slip back into recession in | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
the coming months. It's warned the world to be "prepared to face the | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
worst". Tomorrow, George Osborne will tell the House how he plans to | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
avoid a downturn. And if you read the papers, much of it has been | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
heavily trailed. There's what's billed as �30 billion of spending | :05:23. | :05:30. | |
on new infrastructure. Ministers claim to have found �10 billion of | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
that, and are hoping private investors will put in the rest. | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
There are plans to underwrite �20 billion of loans to smaller | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
businesses. The Government says that could rise to as much as �40 | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
billion and will cut borrowing costs. There's a �1 billion scheme | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
to get young people into work. We've heard a lot about this, | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
except how it's being funded. And we've already had details of a plan | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
to boost the housing market, with �400 million to build new homes and | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
a mortgage-indemnity scheme. Rails fares were due to go up by 8% next | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
year. It's widely tipped that he'll change that to 6%. And the planned | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
3p rise in fuel duty due in January could be frozen or delayed. If | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
you're wondering where all this money is coming from, the | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
Government's message is you'll find out tomorrow. It's thought some may | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
come from under-spending elsewhere, an increase in the banking levy or | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
changes to in-work tax credits. Lets get more on this from our | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
chief political correspondent, Norman Smith. | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
We seem to have had the whole of the statement on the economy over | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
the last few days. I can't recall an autumn statement, when so much | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
has been trailed in advance. I guessed the truth is, the | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
government want to sprinkle around some good news amidst the gloom | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
that is before us. We have this relentless diet of bleak economic | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
figures. You flagged up the OECD forecast this morning, suggesting | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
we could be in two double-dip plant. What is interesting, talking to | :06:54. | :07:01. | |
people in the Treasury -- we could be into double-dip land. Nobody is | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
saying it is miles off target. They have picked off a few encouraging | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
bits, such as the fact that other countries like France, Germany, | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
Italy, could go into recession as well. Such as, the OECD backs the | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
government's deficit reduction strategy. But they are not saying | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
that the OECD has made a great mistake with their forecast. You | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
sense there is a real fear that a sort of national gloom risks | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
gripping the country. Which is why we have had these pre-announce | :07:31. | :07:41. | |
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since in the run-up to the How is George Osborne going to | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
instil any sense of confidence without being realistic? A lot of | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
it will be in the messaging, the idea that the government is not | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
simply going to sit on its hands and wait and watch and see what | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
happens. In other words, that they have a plan. The criticism will be, | :07:57. | :08:05. | |
it doesn't look like plan a any more. -- it does not look like plan | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
A any more. They will say it is more like plant growth. They are | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
trying to buttress us from the economic storm looming in the | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
eurozone, with the real fear that almost what ever George Osborne | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
does in terms of credit easing, or getting pension funds to invest in | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
infrastructure, almost what ever it does risks being totally | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
overwhelmed by what is going on in the eurozone. Which is why David | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
Cameron will be having a face-to- face bilateral with President | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
Sarkozy at the end of the week, to try to get some sort of agreement | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
before next week's crucial European Council meeting, to discuss what on | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
earth you do about the eurozone crisis. Thank you. | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
We have three rising stars with us in the studio now. Labour's Luciana | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
Berger, Duncan Hames from the Liberal Democrats and the | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
Conservative's Sam Gyimah. We have had this picture of gloom, | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
it looks as if it is going to continue tomorrow, on the day of | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
the Autumn Statement. You are not going to avoid recession, so what | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
is the point of tinkering around the edges? I think what we are | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
going to see tomorrow, and the word you used is confident. The | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
Chancellor is going to look to restore confidence in the economy, | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
firstly with the markets. We have burned low interest rates in a | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
triple-A credit rating because of what we did last year when the | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
coalition came into government -- we have earned low interest rates. | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
We need to keep conference of the markets and give businesses | :09:31. | :09:39. | |
confidence to invest. -- keep We also need confidence to get | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
people back into work, hence the infrastructure plans, which are a | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
very smart way of getting people into work. But we are talking about | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
such small amounts of money. �20 billion, in terms of loans to small | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
businesses. �30 billion of infrastructure spending, it is a | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
drop in the ocean. Are you certain it is going to have a short-term | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
effect in terms of boosting growth? The eurozone is probably a big | :10:05. | :10:12. | |
issue... It is, but let's focus on those figures. We have heard the | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
OECD saying we are going to be in recession in the next two quarters, | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
how will �50 billion changed the picture? The government is using | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
its balance sheet. Because the government can borrow at low rates, | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
by reducing the interest rate that businesses can borrow at, it gives | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
banks the confidence to lend. not just the �20 billion, banks can | :10:32. | :10:38. | |
now feel that they can guy had to learn to business. The big issue, | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
and you are absolutely right, the eurozone crisis. Commentators are | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
saying, this is partly Ed Balls' proposal for the economy, so you | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
must be delighted, Labour will be backing all of these plans. We wait | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
to see the detail of what George Osborne comes out with tomorrow. | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
You support what we have heard so far? We are very sceptical. On the | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
infrastructure element, we wait to see if they are new projects or | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
regurgitated projects. Ed Balls said to bring forward | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
infrastructure projects. We will be delighted if they are new projects. | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
If they are projects that are going ahead anyway, that will be | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
problematic. We know it is not new money, the government has made that | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
clear, but they are finding money from other areas. If that is the | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
case, I presume tomorrow the response will be very positive. | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
is about the whole package. Our is the OECD going to say we are going | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
to see jobs creation and growth in the economy? On current indications | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
we are going to see unemployment rise over the course of next year, | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
right up to over 9%. And we are going to see growth flat lining. | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
That is what we will judge tomorrow's Autumn Statement on and | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
the indications are it will not be very positive. In terms of the | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
amount of money we are talking about, Ed Balls was not suggesting | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
much more, your plan would not work either. We want to see a whole | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
package of things, not just infrastructure. We want to see a | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
plan for jobs in growth which sees people in work and the economy | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
growing. The infrastructure is just one element. If the government is | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
going to come forward with four other points, we will be happy. | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
Would you like to see bigger amounts of money boosting the | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
economy? The last Labour government through the kitchen sink at the | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
last financial crisis. In cleaning up that mess, we are rather more | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
constrained. The level of borrowing we already have represents a | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
significant financial stimulus into the economy. Were hearing about | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
plans to open it that the tap further. Real projects that people | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
will be able to see. We can talk about forecasts all we like but | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
when real projects employ people in construction, when we are able to | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
offer a contract that gets people into work, those are real measures | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
that people will experience and will hopefully restore the | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
confidence that we will be backing the economy. Why didn't they do it | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
earlier? Would you like to have seen the coalition government make | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
these plans earlier? I am glad we did not follow a path which leads | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
us into the situation that other European countries are in. As the | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
coalition keeps saying, Britain is not in the eurozone and apart from | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
that, couldn't they have loosened on the fiscal side and perhaps we | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
wouldn't have the unemployment levels just talked about, and | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
wouldn't be having this problem with growth. I think mortgage | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
payers will be glad we have not seen interest rates going in the | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
direction they have in Europe. The coalition government did the right | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
thing as to provide security in our economy, to weather this storm. It | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
is more important that we do the right things now, it than we argue | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
about what should have happened in the past. I am glad that is what, | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
as a Liberal Democrat, this government seems set to do this | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
week. The plan is not working. By the government's own estimates, we | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
are set to borrow �46 billion than the government -- more than the | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
government said we would. It might be as high as �100 billion more. | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
The point is that the government's plan is not working. I think the | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
key point is, Labour's plan is to spend more, which means borrow more, | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
which means more debt. We have seen the bond markets will crucify us. | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
In the last year we have laid the economic foundations to implement | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
the measures that we have seen today. I am not seeing a credible | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
alternative from Labour. The international consensus is that we | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
cannot continue to borrow our way out of this crisis. The Government | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
is already borrowing more, at least �46 billion more, it could be �100 | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
billion more. With tax receipts down and I'm up when it up, the | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
borrowing is going to be higher. The -- unemployment up. George | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
Osborne has said the plan has gone out of the window. What ever we are | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
doing, a lot will be announced in the autumn statement and we are | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
getting more detail. It is revenue neutral, it keeps the combatants of | :14:58. | :15:08. | |
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the markets and gets businesses With a coalition keeping the | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
market's calm, isn't it the time now to go for a proper plan B? | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
shouldn't be throwing it away now. It's important to spend money but | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
more important that it is spent well for the week to spend on | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
projects to late foundation for rebalancing of things. Let's look | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
at the youth contract, the Lib Dems have made that clear that that was | :15:29. | :15:35. | |
their idea. Are you happy it has been funded from squeezing working | :15:35. | :15:41. | |
tax credits? We will see how it's being funded. Would you be happy | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
about that? You would rather squeeze working tax credits than | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
spend any money? Unemployment is falling in my constituency but in | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
my surgery last week, I had a young woman a masters graduate, | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
struggling to find work, cannot persuade a supermarket to give her | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
a job. It's a priority to make sure that talented young people in our | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
country have the opportunity to work and if that means making | :16:05. | :16:11. | |
difficult choices elsewhere, so be it. So you supported. It's so | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
difficult now for young people to find work and that's why it's so | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
important schools and colleges prepare them for the world of work | :16:19. | :16:25. | |
and at any time off College, is not going to be a good thing. | :16:25. | :16:31. | |
complaint about Labour is that you would risk Britain's position, risk | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
but hard-fought position which says we are paying a lower interest | :16:34. | :16:41. | |
rates than other eurozone countries. Are you prepared to do that? We're | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
not in the eurozone so to compare ourselves to them... Are you | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
prepared to risk it? It would be a risk. Labour is prepared to take | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
that risk? We can't continue on the current course. From the figures | :16:56. | :17:03. | |
tomorrow, unemployment will rise exponentially. It's going to go | :17:03. | :17:12. | |
over 9 million. 9%. That's a prediction. Yes, indeed. I don't | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
want to see any more of my constituents are unemployed. You | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
made a point about the new youth contract was up in my constituency | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
at the weekend, people were concerned about their children's | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
future and the fact that they are not going to have the opportunities. | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
In terms of opportunities on strikes, do think it's helpful to | :17:30. | :17:37. | |
use that sort of language, militant unions on strike? It's helpful for | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
him to address the issue head-on. To use that language? Sir Michael | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
Wilshaw was talking about young people who can't get jobs and then | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
taught me people who have got jobs and pensions, some of the best in | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
the world, are saying we're going the other day of inaction. We had | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
got to look at the broader context. Michael Gove was corrected to take | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
it head-on. Shouldn't he be thankful they have got pensions? | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
The Government is essentially slapping on a 3% tax on public | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
sector workers. It's not negotiated. There was no discussion. They've | :18:13. | :18:19. | |
had them for months now. Francis Maude has not met... I know that, | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
but there are meetings going on. They should have been resolved and | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
is over the weekend. Don't you think teachers are the right to | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
fight for their pensions which they are built up all these years, and | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
these are also tax paying hard- working families on the strikes? | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
They are free to engage in illegal strike, which this is. Given the | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
level of support for the strikes, how few of their members took part | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
in those ballots supporting, I don't think there is the same moral | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
pressure on other members of those unions to turn out on strikes they | :18:50. | :18:56. | |
don't support. I heard from a school this morning when next | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
teachers from, who decided not to close their school on Wednesday and | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
I applaud that decision and I hope others will follow. I'm old enough | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
to remember the industrial action much worse than this in the 1970s | :19:11. | :19:17. | |
and 1980s bull that when I first became a headmaster in 1985, there | :19:17. | :19:23. | |
was large-scale industrial action. It put back education for | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
generations of children. Large numbers of children were failed by | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
that action and we must not repeat those mistakes. Are you supporting | :19:32. | :19:38. | |
the strikes? No one wants to see them going ahead. The Government | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
needs to do everything it possibly can and have to bear the | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
responsibility, the fact they are put on a 3% tax on public sector | :19:45. | :19:51. | |
workers which goes straight back to the Treasury. What we have just | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
heard there in terms of the consequences that can do, should | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
they negotiate more, the Government? Give a little bit more | :19:58. | :20:04. | |
and maybe it will be over? We have a comprehensive offer on the table | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
for the clearly not enough as far as the unions are concerned. 15% of | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
the workforce make no further contributions. People earning less | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
than �21,000 year, their contributions go up by 1.5%. People | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
within 10 years of retirement, no change. Is there room for a better | :20:24. | :20:32. | |
offer? I think the Government has been very generous. The idea would | :20:32. | :20:39. | |
be that the unions were willing to negotiate, not engaged in a low | :20:39. | :20:45. | |
ballot turnout strike. I will find all three of you ahead of a | :20:45. | :20:52. | |
statement tomorrow. Thank you. -- I will thank all three of you. And | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
Andrew will be here tomorrow with a special programme bringing you full | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
coverage of the Chancellor's Autumn Statement on the economy. The show | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
starts at 1200. When George Osborne has done speaking, he'll bring you | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
all kinds of reaction from key players in business and politics. | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
So if you've got any thoughts in advance, then you can Twitter them | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
now. The hashtag is: So when our guest Sir Michael Wilshaw takes | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
over at Ofsted in the New Year, he will be in charge of applying some | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
new school rules when it comes to how inspections work. They are as a | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
result of Michael Gove's Education Bill which recently became law. To | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
find out what effect those changes might have, Adam's been to a school | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
in Sutton, which is in Surrey. An inspector won't call here for a | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
while. Under the new system, schools which good Ofsted's top- | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
rating, outstanding, like this one, won't get inspected any more unless | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
concerns are raised. Pauline become a head teacher in the year that | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
Ofsted was born. I'd been here 19 years and I've seen improvement | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
after improvement. So I think something has to be working quite | :21:50. | :21:57. | |
well but Ofsted is very, it's quite harsh process. The schools that do | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
go through that process will have to jump through fewer hopes for | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
that at the moment they are judged on 27 different headings. Now the | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
focus will slowly be on results, the quality of teaching, leadership | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
and behaviour, so that is down to just four areas. You could say it's | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
quite narrow and I hope Ofsted inspectors understand we are | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
dealing with children in schools and not just units of attainment. | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
The reality for schools, sometimes, is a bit different to how Ofsted | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
portrays it. Inspectors will have more time to do what I'm doing, | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
sitting in the classroom, watching teachers teach. Although that's not | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
popular with the unions, will not convince the value of a good | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
teacher can be measured just by observation. At the school gate, I | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
tried out another innovation. Ofsted's new Web site where parents | :22:51. | :22:59. | |
can raid to their child's school by answering 12 questions. Thisfor a | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
nasty comments. We all go on holiday, and you can read a good | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
review and a bad experience yourself, so it's there as an extra | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
tool, isn't it? Can you see any downside to this? People who have | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
something to say will come to said, whereas people who are happy but | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
have nothing specific to say, may not make the effort to say it. You | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
may get a very skewered opinion. you look at schools as a business, | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
we other clients, customers, and, yeah, it should be as inspecting | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
schools, I believe. In the new year, Michael Gove will also be giving | :23:37. | :23:39. | |
parents league tables in a new format which will contain more | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
detail about how pupils are progressing, which is designed to | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
reveal schools that are apparently coasting, hiding behind the Celts | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
which a decent but not great. -- hiding behind results. And Sir | :23:53. | :24:01. | |
Michael is still with us. Is observing a teacher sufficient? | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
It's one of his important than a head teacher does, inspectors do, | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
going to a classroom and see the engagement between teachers and | :24:08. | :24:14. | |
children. You do it more regularly, I suppose bought up I'm a forever | :24:14. | :24:24. | |
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popping into classes. -- you do it Their hair teacher said inspections | :24:28. | :24:35. | |
are harsh. -- the head teacher. What do you mean by that? I don't | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
think so. I've been through half-a- dozen inspections, they are always | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
stressful, but you have got nothing to worry about it you are doing | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
things well. Only it or not doing things particularly well. But | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
inspectors have got to have a human face, the personable people, engage | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
the senior staff, the head teacher, and governors, and are not which | :24:59. | :25:06. | |
find his general. They have got some of the school is like. I mean, | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
this idea that you stop inspecting schools because they are judged as | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
outstanding, is that the right way to go? When they just rest on their | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
laurels? Some might, but what's happening at the moment, those | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
schools which are judged outstanding but attainment levels | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
are dropping all there is a concern from parents, for example, | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
inspectors will look and see whether they still deserve the | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
outstanding rating. Would you want to see those schools visited | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
continually? The head teacher at their said she would welcome | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
inspectors because standards would be kept high. There is a concern we | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
don't really see outstanding schools and therefore they should | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
have a benchmark to judge others, so we need to watch that. I'm | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
anxious the survey system is used so they look at a survey from | :26:01. | :26:11. | |
:26:11. | :26:14. | ||
Oxford without looking at the full picture -- Ofsted. Are they come in | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
now, Ofsted inspectors, without giving all that lead up time. They | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
used to write to the school and say we are coming in a few weeks. | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
it's much better and there is a case for no notice inspections but | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
there was a real concern coming from parents or others about the | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
performance of the school. We build you as a miracle made at the top of | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
the programme. What is your recipe for success? The strong leadership, | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
good teaching, good assessment systems, studies support and so | :26:45. | :26:52. | |
forth. But the most important game is in no excuses culture. If we're | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
going to do something about standards in Our Country, | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
particularly in our most disadvantaged and deprived | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
communities, it has got to be in no excuses culture, no matter what | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
background, ethnicity, you have, so one, we will deliver for you. | :27:10. | :27:20. | |
:27:20. | :27:20. | ||
was your thing? We expected pupils to achieve. Or you would stay | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
behind after school for extra classes boss of you would pay | :27:24. | :27:32. | |
It's part of their contract and they would come in on Saturday | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
mornings. They stay often until 7pm to work with children falling | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
behind. Did you find the unions difficult in terms of these | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
negotiations? No, I've got a good relationship with them and my view | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
is the great majority of teachers what to do the best by their | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
children. And are prepared to go the extra mile. There will be a lot | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
of new information coming, and there were new types of schools are | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
so well that make it more difficult? No, I think it will be | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
easier. What parents need to the Gatt is whether the school is | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
adding value to their children's education. Will that come out of | :28:11. | :28:18. | |
the Ofsted experience? Yes, it will be easier to have parents | :28:18. | :28:24. | |
identifying what is a coasting school for the.. Thank you very | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
much for joining That's all for today. Thanks to all our guests, | :28:28. | :28:33. | |
especially to Michael Wilshaw. Good luck with your job from January. | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
Another reminder that Andrew's back tomorrow at noon with that Daily | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
Politics special. Live coverage of the Chancellor's Autumn Statement | :28:38. | :28:43. |