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Afternoon, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics. So it's last orders | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
for cheap booze. The Prime Minister is worried about irresponsible | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
drinking and says he wants to put an end to scenes like this on our | :00:44. | :00:51. | |
streets. To that end, he wants to introduce a minimum price for | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
alcohol and a ban on cheap deals. The debate over the granny tax is | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
still raging, but is it really the chancellor's biggest Budget | :00:58. | :01:06. | |
blunder? We will be on the campaign trail in the Bradford West by- | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
election. And we will be getting to the | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
bottom of Speaker Bercow's kaleidoscopic speech about the | :01:12. | :01:22. | |
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Queen. All that in the next hour. And with | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
us for the programme today are Iain Martin, who writes for the Sunday | :01:25. | :01:35. | |
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Telegraph, and the Independent columnist Steve Richards. What a | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
dream team. If you have any thoughts or comments on anything we | :01:41. | :01:51. | |
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are discussing, you can send them to us. Let's start with the biggest | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
political event of the week, George Osborne's third Budget. And it is | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
one that is still ruffling feathers and threatening the chancellor's | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
reputation as a master strategist. So was it a Budget for working | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
people or a budget for millionaires? A budget to clobber | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
the rich, or clobber a granny? Or was it, dare we say, just a bit of | :02:15. | :02:25. | |
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a mess? I would go for the last of those questions. Surprisingly. I | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
have never understood why George Osborne is regarded as a master | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
strategist. I do not think it is based on March, be on when he | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
announced that he would abolish inheritance tax and stopped the | :02:39. | :02:45. | |
early election. But Mr Brown did bottle out. That was the moment on | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
which it was based. But more widely, I have never understood on what | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
basis is regarded as this tactical genius. I am mystified as to why he | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
did not put more work into the tactics of this Budget. Why didn't | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
he prepared the ground for taxing wealthy pensioners? Why didn't he | :03:05. | :03:12. | |
prepare more fully from his part? I am genuinely mystified. You would | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
have thought they would have talked about what they wanted the press to | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
say the next day and gone about getting it ready. But I see no | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
evidence of that. Is des two after the Budget any better than they | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
want? No, it seems to be getting worse. We have all seen budgets | :03:33. | :03:43. | |
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unravel, but this one has been special. Those of us who have | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
written for years and questioned George Osborne's reputation as a | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
political genius are feeling a flush of vindication. When he was | :03:51. | :03:58. | |
in Washington last week on the Cameron-Obama jaunt, sophisticates | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
around Osborne said all was well and that he could afford to go to | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
America for a few days. Now it looks as though he should have been | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
in London, doing more work on the Budget. We will come on to the | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
substance of the so-called granny tax in a minute, but you can see | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
the problems it has caused. There is a broad case, however, for doing | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
what he is trying to do. But they made no effort to prepare the | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
ground, as Steve said. Everyone was taken by surprise. The can feel a | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
certain sympathy in that as the population ages and more people | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
would be on 70, it makes sense. But you have to make a big argument and | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
be honest about it. It is the way you do it. Any strategist could see | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
this. Six months before the Budget, start writing articles about | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
generation inequality. Then say there is a case for getting more | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
money of the pensioners who have done very well over the last few | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
years. And distinguish that not all pensioners are living in a scullery | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
with no money. Then you would get papers calling for a tax of this | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
kind. Then leaked the fact that you are thinking of doing it. If all | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
hell breaks loose, don't do it. If you sense that it is going in your | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
direction, you announce it to regretful country. I can see a job | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
offer coming your way. But it is not just the granny tax. That might | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
be excusable. It is the mess on child benefit, where rather than | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
admitting that they made a mistake and scrapping it, they have put in | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
its place something incredibly complex which creates a marginal | :05:38. | :05:45. | |
rate of tax for those between 50 and 60 if they dare to have kids of | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
up to 65%. Then look at the 40p. That is the real bombshell that | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
will do the most damage. When this government came to power, 3 million | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
people paid 40p tax. When they leave power, it will be 5 million | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
people. It is extraordinary that a Tory Chancellor is doing this. | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
he has several more budgets. This is a mid- term Budget, the last one | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
where as a Chancellor, you can take risks and do what you believe in | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
rather than what you think is electorally necessary. The next few | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
will be made much more with the election in mind. You are right, | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
the papers are just as bad as yesterday, but there was an old | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
maxim that budgets which are trashed the day after, by the | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
following week are praised. And budgets that are praised are | :06:36. | :06:45. | |
trashed the week after. I have always had that. We shall see the | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
Sunday papers this week. It will be interesting. So is the Sunday | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
Politics. Well, MPs spent most of yesterday | :06:51. | :06:59. | |
debating the Budget. Here is a flavour of what was said. | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
Yesterday's Budget was described by the Economist as more of a | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
newspaper review and a Budget. Another said the Budget had all the | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
leak free qualities of a teabag in a sieve. It might be quicker to | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
list what the papers did not publish beforehand. For the benefit | :07:17. | :07:23. | |
of the house,... The they call this a Robin Hood Budget! But they have | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
got it the wrong way round. Robin Hood took from the rich to give to | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
the poor. This Budget takes from low and middle-income families to | :07:33. | :07:42. | |
give to the rich. The Chancellor is not Robin Hood. He is the Sheriff | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
of Nottingham. As for jobs and growth, he couldn't give a Friar | :07:48. | :07:57. | |
Tuck, Mr Deputy Speaker. Being lectured now on how to manage an | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
economy is like being given a talk on seamanship by the captain of the | :08:02. | :08:09. | |
Costa Concordia, another believer in light touch steering. Can we | :08:09. | :08:16. | |
have a statement on the higher rate of tax? The Sun account on Twitter | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
is reporting that friends of the Prime Minister say he does pay the | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
higher rate of taxation. We have not heard from friends of the | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
Chancellor, or doesn't you have any left after mugging the nation's | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
grannies yesterday? Why should this outbreak of openness be confined to | :08:33. | :08:41. | |
members on this side of the house? I'll hope the honourable member | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
will try and persuade all his friends to be as open as he wants | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
us to be. Her So the so-called granny tax | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
dominated much of proceedings. We thought we would have our own | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
little debate about the measure today. Joining us now is the editor | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
at large of Saga magazine, Emma Soames, and Ed Howker, who wrote | :09:02. | :09:12. | |
The Jilted Generation. Emma Soames, the poor pensioners are not | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
affected by this, because they do not pay tax. Wealthy pensioners do | :09:17. | :09:23. | |
not get any benefit, because they do not get, they lose the allowance | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
anyway. So it is mainly the middle band of pensioners we are talking | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
about. Isn't there a case for a lining everybody's personal | :09:33. | :09:41. | |
allowance to be the same? people who are being affected by | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
this new age allowance are the people who have spent all their | :09:46. | :09:54. | |
lives working harder to build up modest amounts of savings. It is a | :09:54. | :10:01. | |
kick in the solar plexus that they build up these funds and then find | :10:01. | :10:07. | |
that in one rather throwaway line, not even called a tax, but a | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
simplification, that they will be �4 a week worse off. It is hitting | :10:12. | :10:18. | |
4 million pensioners. Those who are already pensioners will have their | :10:18. | :10:25. | |
tax-free threshold frozen at �10,500. In cash terms, they are | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
not losing out. The ones losing out are those who are about to become | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
pensioners. They would have had a tax-free threshold of �10,500 which | :10:35. | :10:42. | |
will now be �9,200. But it will rise after that. The intention is | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
to increase that by 2014-�10,000. But it will be frozen until that | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
happens for everybody. The threshold for existing | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
pensioners will be frozen, but for those who are just becoming | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
pensioners, their threshold will rise in line with everybody else's | :11:03. | :11:13. | |
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firstly to �9,100 and then to �10,000. The reason it has had so | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
much impact, it is not the number of people affected, but if you are | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
64, you have done a lot of financial planning. You know you | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
will retire next year. You know you were probably worth -- be worse off | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
when not working. You may have seen a financial adviser and discovered | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
that what you thought you would get as a pension will not be anything | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
like it because of quantitative easing. But we agree that if there | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
are losers from this move, and there is no question about that, | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
the real losers are those who are about to become pensioners, rather | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
than existing pensioners, who will simply suffer a freeze on the | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
threshold. The yes, but those who are may freeze once inflation kicks | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
in, will also suffer. That is true, inflation is under 3% and falling, | :12:08. | :12:14. | |
so it may not be too bad for them. It will cost them about �83 a year | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
if you are an existing pensioner. When you are cutting taxes for | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
those earning over �150,000 a year, what is the point in going for | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
pensioners? I am not sure it is appropriate that the Government has | :12:30. | :12:37. | |
made that cut. But pensioners have done terribly well in the last ten | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
years. They have higher rising disposable income than young people. | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
Some of your arguments are powerful, because if you look at NUT rates | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
and the way in which pensioners' savings have not grown, they have | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
had trouble, but they are more successful than other parts of the | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
population. My pitch is straight forward. Young people trying real | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
trouble. 2 million under-thirties are unemployed. There are | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
opportunities are disappearing. It would be better to concentrate on | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
their needs and some of that pension a wealth was moved towards | :13:13. | :13:21. | |
creating jobs for them. So because of the way the economy has been | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
going, because it is tougher for young people now than it was for | :13:25. | :13:32. | |
the most recent generation, but not compared to the '20s and '30s, | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
there for all people, who have paid their taxes and worked all their | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
lives should suffer? De point is straight forward. We have a | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
colossal longevity problem in this country. We are living too long? | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
it is wonderful that we have a longevity problem. But it is a | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
problem for the Government, because they have not prepared for it. | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
Britain has a pay-as-you-go pension system, which means no savings have | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
been made for future generations. That means the current generations, | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
many of whom are unemployed, have to pay these bills. That is not | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
inappropriate. Of course pensioners should be treated well. In fact, | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
they are. They get a massive tax break because they do not pay | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
national insurance. They are not working. But when they are working, | :14:22. | :14:28. | |
they do not pay. Well, of course pensioners should have more | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
disposable income than 23-year-olds. Unless you are called Master Gates | :14:33. | :14:40. | |
almost good with. -- or Miss could win. They have worked all their | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
lives and save for maybe 35 years of their working life. It would be | :14:45. | :14:51. | |
worrying if they did not have disposable income. The way of | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
kicking down wealth is to allow it to happen to families, inheritance | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
and all the people being able to paddle their own can news and not | :15:00. | :15:07. | |
become a burden on their children, rather than having a big stick of | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
government saying that old people are using up too many bedrooms and | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
have to move out of their house, which is outrageous. We are | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
expecting people on welfare benefits to move out of their | :15:19. | :15:29. | |
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houses. But they are not their I think we could all agree, what | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
the Government is doing his defence of the law not, but pensioners vote | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
and the turnout of pensioners is much higher than the average. They | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
are an important political constituency. Will this have an | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
impact? Yes, I think it is a massive political risk whatever you | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
think of the substance. I think there is a case that they do make a | :15:55. | :16:01. | |
higher contribution. Although M a powerfully explains the | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
implications for the losses they will make, everybody is making | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
losses at the moment. There's no reason why they should be excluded, | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
but there's always been a powerful political reason, which is they | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
vote, they pay attention. If do you think this will have a political | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
impact on pensioner's? I do. It is as much to do with the way it has | :16:21. | :16:29. | |
been handled as to do with... They are not fools, they feel patronised, | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
furious. It was the only thing in the Budget that was not trailed. | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
Who did he think... Just by calling it a simplification, people | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
wouldn't notice. What is your take? This will be one of the big | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
emerging themes of politics in the next 20 to 30 years, the sense of | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
inter-generational conflict and tension as society continues to age. | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
Our political parties and commentators haven't really started | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
to grapple with this. It will have all sorts of interesting | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
consequences. I think political leaders will become older. Why will | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
those who are still working aged 70, who will massively outnumbered the | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
young, why will they vote forever for 40 year-olds who seemed to be | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
learning on the job? It will force politicians to pick sides between | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
the young and the old. All right. We don't have time to talk about it, | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
but the Chancellor talked about linking the retirement age to | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
longevity, which means the retirement age could be rising | :17:32. | :17:38. | |
indefinitely. I totally agree with that and I also think the new | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
retirement model of people working flexibly and not falling off a | :17:41. | :17:48. | |
cliff edge... It is not either or any more. Exactly. Thank you. Time | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
for the daily quiz. Which of these will not cost any more as a result | :17:53. | :18:03. | |
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A rotisserie chicken, hairdressers chairs, Jaffa cakes or hot Cornish | :18:05. | :18:13. | |
pasty East. Interestingly eclectic mix. Steve Andean, who are looking | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
bemused, will maybe give us the correct answer at the end of the | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
show. Easy to work out. Once, Chancellors sipped it when | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
they delivered their Budget, but now the Government worries it is | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
cheaper than the preferred tipple of choice at the despatch box these | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
days - water. So what's their solution? You've guessed it - they | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
want to lighten our pockets. According to the Home Secretary, | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
the Government wants to affect the cheapest end of alcohol that allows | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
people to do something called pre- loading - that's filling up with | :18:38. | :18:48. | |
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alcohol before they go out. So what's the plan? The Government | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
wants to consult on a 40p minimum wants to consult on a 40p minimum | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
price per unit of alcohol. That means a �2.99 bottle of red wine, | :18:56. | :19:04. | |
containing 9.4 units of alcohol, would be priced up to �3.76. Cheap, | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
strong lager at 75p a can, with three units per can, would become | :19:07. | :19:15. | |
at least �1.20. It would also considerably increase the price on | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
bulk purchases. So, for example, two crates of 20 cans of cider | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
which could be bought for �20 at one point last year would now cost | :19:24. | :19:30. | |
at least �37.30. Government projections, based on a 40p minimum | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
price, show healthcare costs would drop by �30 million in the first | :19:33. | :19:43. | |
:19:43. | :19:49. | ||
year and �93 million by the tenth year. There would be 50,600 fewer | :19:49. | :19:59. | |
:19:59. | :20:08. | ||
crimes each year, saving �54 And 12,600 fewer violent crimes, | :20:08. | :20:13. | |
reducing costs by �37 million a year. You can believe these figures | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
if you want! Let's see what Theresa May had to say in the House of | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
Commons this morning. This strategy is targeted explicitly at dangerous | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
drinkers, problem pubs, irresponsible shops and harmful | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
drinks. Those who enjoy a quiet drink or two have nothing to fear | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
from these proposals. The local pub has nothing to fear, the | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
responsible off-licence has nothing to fear. We will help tackle | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
problem drinkers. We will help local areas deal with local | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
licensing problems. We will encourage the alcohol industry to | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
act responsibly and we will put a stop to the easy availability of | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
cheap booze that has blighted Britain for too long. The Home | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
Secretary and the measures will apply to England and Wales., and is | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
doing something similar, slightly ahead of what is doing -- happening | :21:04. | :21:12. | |
in England. We are joined by Testament and Jane Davies, the | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
Director of Public affairs at the British Retail Consortium. What | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
evidence is there that raising the price by these relatively small | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
amounts will affect how young people drink? It is pretty clear | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
that young people choose not to go to pubs, not to go into clubs, and | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
actually to buy alcohol in the supermarket or to get somebody else | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
to buy it for them in supermarkets and off-licences. Those who are | :21:34. | :21:41. | |
less responsible. If you can get to a point way you can buy a pint of | :21:41. | :21:47. | |
beer for 34p and cider for 48p, not been responsible pubs, we know we | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
need to do something. What is the evidence that increasing the price, | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
they will not simply move... In some of the prices, the change in a | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
bottle of wine is not that big. is not meant to be. Where's the | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
evidence that they will simply move their drinking habits or spend | :22:05. | :22:11. | |
more... A lot of it is price related. When the local supermarket | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
reduces the price, the sales go up. Supermarkets don't sell cheap booze | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
because they are feeling terribly generous, they do it because they | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
sell more. Have you been to Norway on a Friday night? And no. It is | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
�10 for a pint of beer in Oslo in some pubs. And there are a lot of | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
drunk people around. Why does price matter? It matters a lot. What is | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
really important is the local farmers who are selling side on | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
their premises and the local pubs who are trying to sell alcohol in | :22:46. | :22:53. | |
their hostelries in my area of Somerset. I used the example of | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
Juliet, the landlady of a local pub. She said she is outraged that the | :22:58. | :23:04. | |
Tesco up the road can sell for 34p a pint of fear. For competition. | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
she did that and she served to people who were drunk already, she | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
would lose her licence. The point of this is it is not to help your | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
pub landlord, it is to stop drugs and roaming the streets in the | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
evening in our city and town centres. -- drunks. Isn't it? Or | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
hidden subsidies to pubs. doesn't damage pubs. If you look at | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
the average hospital a Andy at the weekends, it is appalling. -- A and | :23:35. | :23:44. | |
D. I am trying to get the evidence where price would make a difference. | :23:44. | :23:50. | |
The accusation in your trade is that you are selling things | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
sometimes as loss-leaders and disgracefully low prices and you | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
should be more responsible. First of all, you don't make a successful | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
business out of selling at a loss. The vast majority of lines, even | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
when on promotion, are not loss- leaders. Secondly, we have to bear | :24:08. | :24:14. | |
in mind that we have prices here in the UK that of 50% higher than | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
throughout the rest of Europe. For it is not simply a matter of price. | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
Indeed, in Scotland, Alex Salmond has said that consumption in | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
Scotland is 20% higher than England when the prices are the same. This | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
is a cultural issue. Pricing will not be the silver bullet that | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
solves the problem. Let me give you three cities where booze is just as | :24:36. | :24:43. | |
plentiful and often cheaper than in London. New York, Dubai, Paris. And | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
you don't see gangs of drunks are roaming the streets in any of these | :24:48. | :24:54. | |
three cities. It is a cultural problem. What does it have to do | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
with it? The market is sensitive to price and young people, the ones we | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
really need to try to stop arming themselves and harming other people | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
and other people's property, they are sensitive to price. There's no | :25:08. | :25:14. | |
question. Why do you think in New York, for example, there are not | :25:14. | :25:20. | |
kids roaming the streets drunk. If you do, the police pick you up. You | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
will spend a night in jail and if you do it again, you will go to | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
jail. Yes. On our streets, that doesn't happen. We have a different | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
culture. Police are too soft. don't think so. They are much | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
tougher in New York and Paris and Dubai. I was listening to one of my | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
colleagues this morning talking about the 1898 in the Prince act | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
which is something else I would like to look at bringing into my | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
part of Somerset. You are just a Nani state interference. You want a | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
micro-manage halides. You want to fix the price of booze. What does | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
it have to do with you, you're a politician? It is about | :25:58. | :26:05. | |
protecting... Vast resources are being wasted on crimes related to | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
alcohol, resource is being wasted on the health systems, dealing with | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
people who were ill. Look at the explosion of people who need | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
treatment for liver disease. don't you just put the prices up a | :26:17. | :26:26. | |
bit? Retailing is a very competitive business, particularly | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
at the moment. One in four families are saying they run out of money by | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
the end of the month anyway. Making money out of people who then go on | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
the rampage on our streets late at night after buying products from | :26:39. | :26:46. | |
your members. Are you proud of that? 75% of men and four out of | :26:46. | :26:52. | |
five women drink responsibly. is not what we are talking about. | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
Consumption of alcohol is going down because of a lot of different | :26:57. | :27:04. | |
issues that are being taken forward to change that culture. We are | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
talking about those... The ones who drink responsibly on not pre- | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
loading on cheap cider and cheap beer. They are having a glass of | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
Chardonnay of an evening. They are also the ones with health problems. | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
At least they are not on the rampage and affecting me. Why don't | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
you just be responsible and put the prices of these really low priced | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
alcohol units up and then the interfering politicians would not | :27:31. | :27:38. | |
have to get involved? We are responsible. We have taken the lead | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
as the sector in insuring that people understand the number of | :27:42. | :27:49. | |
units there are in a drink. It is a competitive market. Her if you all | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
but the price up... It is dangerous if we start getting into territory | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
where it governments are dictating prices. What is your view? I think | :27:59. | :28:07. | |
we need maximum alcohol prices. The British have a problem with this, | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
but I don't think it is all about price, I think it is about culture. | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
Something changed in the British psyche 40 years ago. Youngsters | :28:16. | :28:22. | |
started drinking in this way, in a way their predecessors hadn't. That | :28:22. | :28:28. | |
can't just be about price. It might be a small factor, but something | :28:28. | :28:34. | |
deeper has happened culturally. Quite what the state to do things. | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
-- I want the state to do things. I wish they would tell me to stop | :28:38. | :28:48. | |
:28:48. | :28:49. | ||
drinking as much mind as I do -- wine. Stop drinking! The smoking | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
ban was arguably one of the most important things the previous | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
government did. It was never in the manifesto, but it changed behaviour | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
for the better. If pricing makes a difference, and I suspect it will, | :29:01. | :29:09. | |
I supported. We shall see. We have run out of time. Thank you. | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
David Cameron is in Scotland today, where he's been addressing the | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
Scottish Conservatives' annual conference. This is what he had to | :29:15. | :29:23. | |
say. Not only can you love Scotland and love the United Kingdom, not | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
only can you drape yourself in the Saltire and the Union Jack, but let | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
me say this. You can be even prouder of your Scottish heritage | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
than your British heritage, as many in Scotland are, and still believe | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
that Scotland is better off in Britain. All of this is why this | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
Prime Minister and his party is going to fight for the United | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
Kingdom with everything we've got. That was the prime minister | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
speaking in Scotland. With us now is David Mundall, the | :29:53. | :30:02. | |
Scotland Office Minister. Why are the Scottish Tories so | :30:02. | :30:09. | |
useless? I don't accept that analysis. Everybody knows we have | :30:09. | :30:15. | |
had our difficulties, but at the UK general election, one in six people | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
in Scotland was voting Conservative. I'm in Troon, which has a council | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
run by the Conservatives. The Conservatives are representing | :30:23. | :30:29. | |
people in Scotland. We have to do better, we have a dynamic new | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
leader in Ruth Davidson who will turn around our fortunes, but we | :30:32. | :30:38. | |
have a big part to play in the campaign coming up to save the UK, | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
keep Scotland at the heart of the UK, and as David Cameron said, that | :30:42. | :30:52. | |
:30:52. | :30:52. | ||
In the Westminster elections in 1997, the Scottish Tories were | :30:52. | :31:01. | |
wiped out. You had no MPs after that, is that right? We had no MPs | :31:01. | :31:08. | |
after 1997. But since 2005, I have been an MP here. How many do you | :31:08. | :31:15. | |
have now? We have me. I am the sole Conservative MP in Scotland. It is | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
not a position I sought, to be the sole MP, but one in six people in | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
Scotland did vote Conservative. 420,000 Scots voted Conservative in | :31:26. | :31:32. | |
the UK general election. So you have added one MP in 15 years, that | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
is your rate of progress. That means that to become a majority of | :31:36. | :31:43. | |
Scottish MPs, it would take you 450 years to become a majority again? | :31:43. | :31:50. | |
Is that your sense of purpose? are not setting out that prospect. | :31:50. | :31:59. | |
We want to grow the number of Conservative MPs in Scotland. We | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
want to grow the number of councillors. There are councillors | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
all over Scotland representing our party in local government. We have | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
16 MSPs in the Scottish parliament. Scottish Conservatives are speaking | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
out for Scotland on issues that represent our values. Of course we | :32:17. | :32:24. | |
want to do better. That is why we have a young leader who is | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
transforming our party's organisation and bringing forward a | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
new policy platform. And most importantly, putting us at the | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
centre of the debate around the future of Scotland. But I do not | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
see the progress you are talking about. You have gone from zero MPs | :32:41. | :32:49. | |
to one MP in 15 years. In 1999, you got 18 Conservatives elected on 15% | :32:49. | :32:55. | |
of the vote. In 2011, you got 15 elected on at 11.6% of the vote. | :32:55. | :33:04. | |
You have gone backwards. We do not suggest that things have been easy. | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
Or that we would not want to do better. That is why Ruth Davidson | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
has become our leader, with a platform of taking forward new | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
policies and new organisation, taking our message to the people of | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
Scotland. One of the ro most important things to do is to say to | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
people who have voted SNP on the basis of Conservative policies such | :33:26. | :33:34. | |
as low council tax and business rates is that their vote is | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
actually a vote to break up Britain. If you want to see these policies | :33:37. | :33:44. | |
pursued and keep the UK, you should vote Conservative. Give my regards | :33:44. | :33:53. | |
to that lovely town of Troon on the Ayrshire coast. Iain Martin, the | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
fact is that progress from the Scottish Conservatives has actually | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
been glacial or in reverse from the number of seats they have in the | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
Scottish parliament. And yet in Wales, the Conservatives have had a | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
comeback. Why in Wales and not Scotland? Is stars look as though | :34:12. | :34:19. | |
what happened in 1997 was not a blip, it was an extinction event. | :34:19. | :34:25. | |
The politics of the Thatcher period, now more than two decades ago, | :34:25. | :34:31. | |
still dominate Scottish politics. It is incredibly difficult, because | :34:31. | :34:38. | |
there is a consensus in Scottish politics. Difficult to get a | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
hearing for arguments about free- market saw education or health | :34:41. | :34:47. | |
reform of the kind that has been engaged in in England. Scotland is | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
substantially to the left, and the Tories have not made progress. | :34:52. | :34:58. | |
it is not just a setback, it could be extinction? I wonder. It is | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
fascinating hearing that interview, because the two of you know about | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
this, but you are reminded that politically, Scotland is so | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
different from England. It is extraordinary. But at some point, | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
the space will surely emerge for a party of the centre right. You | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
can't have a political debate where in effect, the three parties are | :35:22. | :35:30. | |
all on the centre-left. But people have been saying that for ten years, | :35:31. | :35:36. | |
and it has not happened. A large number of people who are natural | :35:36. | :35:42. | |
Tory voters all would be if they lived in the home counties, they | :35:42. | :35:48. | |
voted for Blair. They have now been snaffled by Alex Salmond. The | :35:48. | :35:51. | |
Liberal Democrats are extinct in Scottish politics. The Tories are | :35:51. | :35:57. | |
in trouble. It is a two party fight between Alex Salmond and a Labour | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
Party in trouble. There is little space for the Tories to get a | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
hearing. We shall see. This time next week, we will know | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
the result of the Bradford West by- election, caused by the resignation | :36:09. | :36:15. | |
due to ill health of Labour's Marsha Singh. He is in the running, | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
and what are the candidates talking about? | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
Bill Bryson once said bad for's role in life is to make every other | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
place in the world look better. -- Bradford's role is to make other | :36:28. | :36:34. | |
places look better. But not so fast, it is also carry capital of the UK, | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
home to one of Britain's largest Asian populations and the home town | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
of a member of chart-topping group one direction. Bradford's economy | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
is in serious trouble. Council job cuts and closures to local | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
businesses have meant the amount of people claiming jobseeker's | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
allowance in this constituency has gone up by almost a third over the | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
past year. Youth unemployment has gone up by 40%. Labour has a | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
majority of just under 6000 in Bradford West, but this was a key | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
target seats for the Tories in the last general election. It is the | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
kind of urban, ethnically diverse area they say they need to do | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
better in. We have just had a wonderful Budget for growth and | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
business. I will visit as many of the employers in this area as I can | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
to tell them about the initiatives we have to get young people into | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
work, particularly the work experience and the financial | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
incentives that will help them to take on a young person between 18 | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
and 24. With rising unemployment, the Lib Dems may be facing the | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
consequences of going into government with the Tories. But | :37:46. | :37:52. | |
their candidate denies it. This is not a referendum on the coalition. | :37:52. | :37:58. | |
That comes in 2015, when everybody will get a say. This is about who | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
will be the best person to stand up for Bradford West. I have a record | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
of bringing money to the city and getting ministers here to see what | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
is happening. The UK Independence Party came second in the Barnsley | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
by-election last year. They hoped to perform well here as well. | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
want to get third place and beat the Lib Dems. And I think I can. I | :38:21. | :38:27. | |
am a local person. I have been in the area for over 50 years. I have | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
worked for the young and old, the vulnerable. I am aware of the | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
situations here and I would like to fight for Bradford West in | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
Westminster. But one man has come along to mix things up a bit. I | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
have come to a hustings at the University of Bradford. There are | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
two empty chairs on the stage. The Labour and Conservative candidates | :38:49. | :38:56. | |
did not want to take part. So welcome to the George Galloway show. | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
Parliament needs someone to represent the people who are | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
currently not represented there. All three of the main parties | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
support the war in Afghanistan, but most people in Britain don't. But | :39:07. | :39:12. | |
nobody is speaking up for them. you have promised your constituents | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
that if you win, you will be in Parliament and not of making | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
reality TV when you should be serving constituents? I was never | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
on a reality programme when I should have been serving | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
constituents. I served my constituents faithfully. That was | :39:28. | :39:33. | |
why I was elected five times to Parliament. It is not easy. You | :39:33. | :39:39. | |
should try it. Five parliamentary victories in three different | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
constituencies. Next Thursday, we might see another one. The Green | :39:45. | :39:50. | |
Party are also standing in Bradford West. We won't -- we are the only | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
party with a renewed deal and a plan to create thousands of new | :39:54. | :39:59. | |
jobs in areas such as green energy and also to create a new raft of 18 | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
to 25-year-old entrepreneur's by freeing up money to get new | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
businesses off the ground. Labour candidate, Imran Hussain, is | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
deputy leader of the local council. He invited me for lunch with Andy | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
Burnham. I was hoping for one of those famous Currys, but he | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
insisted on a pizza, coincidentally at the birthplace of the | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
Independent Labour Party. I asked him if he was running scared from | :40:22. | :40:29. | |
George Galloway. No. I refused to share a platform. But I have said | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
this is a very short campaign. I will be out there, knocking on | :40:34. | :40:42. | |
doors, listening to people in these difficult times. That is the way I | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
want to go into this campaign. Unless there is a Lazarus-like | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
comeback from George Galloway, Labour would use a win in Bradford | :40:50. | :40:58. | |
West to show that they are picking up momentum, and hope it is true. | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
Be there are eight candidates standing in the Bradford West by- | :41:01. | :41:11. | |
:41:11. | :41:14. | ||
Now, we are joined from Leeds by the BBC's political editor from | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
Yorkshire. What have been the highlights of the campaign? One of | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
the things has been George Galloway barnstorming at that meeting that I | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
was present at at the student Unite union. But while he is making an | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
impression that, where it was packed with Respect supporters, he | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
is not making much impression on the streets. This has been a Labour | :41:37. | :41:46. | |
seat since the '70s. There have never been large majorities. There | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
is a 6000 legacy from the previous popular Labour MP. It was a | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
marginal back in the general election. The Conservatives poured | :41:54. | :42:00. | |
lots of resources into it. The result was that the 3500 Labour | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
majority before the general election became 6000 after the | :42:03. | :42:11. | |
general election. Any sense yet on how the Budget in general and the | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
so-called granny tax are playing on the streets? In 30 years of | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
covering politics, I have never been to a by-election where Ray | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
Budget was slap-bang in the middle of it. David Cameron came yesterday | :42:24. | :42:30. | |
bearing gifts. In the Budget, there were a small number of cities that | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
were told they could have extra money to have super-fast broadband. | :42:33. | :42:38. | |
One of those was Bradford, funnily enough. He mentioned all sorts of | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
things. Today we had Ed Miliband in the constituency. Surprise, | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
surprise, he went for it cup of tea with a couple of pensioners. So the | :42:48. | :42:54. | |
Budget is high on the agenda. We are told Nick Clegg will not be | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
campaigning. We expect the deputy leader of that party to be a long | :42:58. | :43:04. | |
next week. It would be a major upset, particularly with Labour in | :43:04. | :43:11. | |
opposition now, if Labour was to lose this by-election. We never | :43:11. | :43:17. | |
know for sure, but is there any prospect of that? By-elections do | :43:17. | :43:23. | |
throw up surprises, but I would be very surprised if Labour does not | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
at least keep the majority it has. We are not seeing any surprises. | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
The only scenario would be if that George Galloway vote managed to | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
nibble away. Can the Conservatives then gallop up on the outside? They | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
were second last time, the Lib Dems a distant third. 6000 is | :43:44. | :43:54. | |
comfortable, but not overwhelming. The issue of dangerous dog was put | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
back in the public eye yesterday after a vicious attack in east | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
London injured five police officers, four seriously. Two of those | :44:02. | :44:07. | |
officers are still in hospital. One is reported to need a skin graft. | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
Specialist firearms officers were called in to shoot what has been | :44:12. | :44:17. | |
described as a pit-bull-type dog. The Government has already | :44:17. | :44:22. | |
committed itself to tackling the issue, promising an announcement on | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
measures before the end of the month. What needs to be done. Chris | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
Mason is on College Green with a Lib-Dem MP and a representative of | :44:30. | :44:40. | |
the postal workers' union, the CWU. Yes, there is a chequered history | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
when it comes to politicians and dangerous dogs. The legislation at | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
the moment, the Dangerous Dogs Act, dates back to 1991. There is a | :44:49. | :44:55. | |
sense that it is out of date. But many criticise that legislation for | :44:55. | :45:02. | |
being rushed to through a and a response to a media campaign in the | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
early '90s. It is a tricky one for the Government to grapple with in | :45:06. | :45:13. | |
terms of which up -- department is responsible. DEFRA, the Environment, | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
food and rural affairs department, calls the shots on this, which | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
seems odd. That may be why it takes a while to get to the bottom of | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
this and dream up a new idea. Let's chat with my two guests, the Lib | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
Dem MP Tom Brake and Dave Joyce from the Communication Workers' | :45:28. | :45:38. | |
:45:38. | :45:39. | ||
Union. Dave, how bigger problem is Dangerous Dogs is a big problem. We | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
have been campaigning since 2008. We believe the coalition have had | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
plenty of time to do something and we want them to take action | :45:46. | :45:51. | |
urgently. 11 people have been killed by dogs in the UK in the | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
last five years, 23 postal workers have been attacked and injured by | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
dogs in the last four years and we want action now. Do you | :46:00. | :46:05. | |
specifically need new laws? We do. Since our campaign started, the | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
Scottish government agreed with us to change the law and have done so, | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
the Northern Ireland government have done the same, as has the | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
Welsh government. We now want Westminster to change the law. You | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
can get rid of at least eight or nine pieces of useless legislation | :46:21. | :46:27. | |
and get -- introduce one new-build. There's a suggestion that the | :46:27. | :46:29. | |
Government will conform with a package of measures that is short | :46:30. | :46:35. | |
of new legislation. How important his new legislation? What we need | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
to address is the Dangerous Dogs Act, the fact it doesn't apply on | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
private land, for instance. Communication workers have the | :46:43. | :46:47. | |
biggest problem there. We also need to look at the breeds affected. I | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
had a tragic case in my constituency of a woman who died as | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
a result of an attack by a Belgian mastiff, not one of the breeds | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
covered by the Dangerous Dogs Act. Would you be letting down people | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
like Dave and others if there is no specific new legislation? Can't be | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
done without it? We have to look at a range of measures on the table. | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
Microchipping could play a role. We could also look to earlier | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
intervention. One of the big problems with dogs, and this was | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
the case in my constituency, is people are worried about a dog, but | :47:21. | :47:26. | |
until it does something no action can be taken. Thank you both. A | :47:26. | :47:31. | |
very heated issue and plenty of discussion to come. There's a | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
patchwork of different laws around the UK related to this, but | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
specifically for England, we are expecting something from the | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
Government within a couple of weeks, but whether it stacks up to new | :47:42. | :47:48. | |
laws, we don't yet know. Thank you. Beautiful weather out | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
there in Westminster! Spring has sprung. | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
So it's been a busy old week. Stella McCartney launched her | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
Olympic uniform range. And very nice it is, too. The weather's been | :47:57. | :47:59. | |
absolutely lovely and there's been a heck of a lot happening at | :48:00. | :48:09. | |
:48:10. | :48:11. | ||
Westminster. Here's Max with his 60 The Chancellor set out his economic | :48:11. | :48:18. | |
vision for the nation this week. It is goodbye 50p, hello granny tax. | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
Government's controversial proposals to reform the NHS in | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
England cleared their final parliamentary hurdle this week. The | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
bruised and battered Health and Social Care Bill finally got the | :48:30. | :48:36. | |
thumbs-up from MPs on Tuesday night. Her Majesty visited Parliament this | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
week, marking 60 years on the frame. A speech to both Houses of | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
Parliament was attended by a kaleidoscope of the great and good. | :48:45. | :48:51. | |
Are we about to see roads plc? In a speech on infrastructure, the prime | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
minister said there was an urgent need to repair England's roads. He | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
suggested private investors might stump up the cash. And after 11 | :49:00. | :49:05. | |
years as a peer of the realm, Michael Heseltine graced the House | :49:05. | :49:15. | |
:49:15. | :49:21. | ||
Making his maiden speech, I thought he had been a lot for ages! I | :49:21. | :49:28. | |
wanted to ask you about the health bill. It has been a terrible | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
experience for the coalition. I think some wish they had never | :49:31. | :49:36. | |
started in the first place. But it is going into law. I wondered | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
whether Labour might, by saying this is privatisation, this is the | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
end of the health service as we know it, fire and brimstone, Sodom | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
and Gomorrah, if in three years' time not much has changed, they | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
will have overplayed their hand. think a lot will have changed. | :49:52. | :49:58. | |
the worse? Yes, I do. This isn't the end of this story as a | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
political problem for the coalition. I think the Lib Dems will be in | :50:03. | :50:07. | |
real trouble in some of their seats because of their support for this, | :50:07. | :50:13. | |
albeit they claim they made it better. For legislative passage has | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
been extraordinary. We now have this weird Bill where all of the | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
amendments contradicted the original intentions of the bill. In | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
that sense it reminds me of the poll tax, where you had a very | :50:24. | :50:29. | |
simple piece of legislation, which was entirely contradicted by all of | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
the legislative amendments. All of the rebates... It countered what | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
the whole thing was meant to be about. They got it through, let's | :50:36. | :50:40. | |
got on with it, and it became a mess. I think it will be a mess on | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
the ground. Even if it is not directly responsible for some of | :50:44. | :50:49. | |
the things that will go wrong, it will create news stories and it | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
will be blamed. This is not the end of this story. If that is the case, | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
it is a running sore for the Government. Her absolutely. | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
Everything that goes wrong in the NHS, even if it had nothing to do | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
with this Bill, will be blamed on it. How many people, after this | :51:06. | :51:12. | |
extraordinary process, can actually explain what the Bill does? It is | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
one of the most extraordinary failings of political management | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
and communication I can remember. It will have implications for the | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
workings of the coalition. David Cameron is conscious that not | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
enough attention was paid to it, it was supposed to be bomb proved by | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
Oliver Letwin and it turned into a complete shambles. You will see | :51:31. | :51:37. | |
more power as a result drawn to the centre as Cameron will be looking | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
to avoid any repeat in other areas. If Oliver Letwin is trying to sell | :51:43. | :51:49. | |
you an air raid shelter, don't buy Now, to the burning question of the | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
week - do we live in a kaleidoscope world? And what makes the UK a | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
kaleidoscope country? Yes, it was all in the Speaker's address to the | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
Queen on Tuesday. We sent Adam out to see if he could make sense of it | :52:02. | :52:12. | |
:52:12. | :52:12. | ||
Up it is the mystery gripping Westminster. Why did this because | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
say this before Her Majesty addressed parliament this week? | :52:16. | :52:22. | |
have become, to many of us, a kaleidoscope Queen of a | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
kaleidoscope country in a kaleidoscope Commonwealth. | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
obviously went down well with the prime minister, who then reference | :52:30. | :52:40. | |
:52:40. | :52:42. | ||
it at PMQs. This is a kaleidoscope Budget. But it split public opinion. | :52:42. | :52:47. | |
Kaleidoscope is many colours, different shapes. The Queen over | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
the years has had to adapt to many changes. People know what a | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
kaleidoscope is and they know who the Queen is. But the two don't | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
relate to each other. I'm not sure what kaleidoscope Queen means, it | :53:00. | :53:04. | |
doesn't sound very polite to Her Majesty. Although one theory has | :53:04. | :53:10. | |
emerged. It turns up the Speaker is honorary President of an | :53:10. | :53:12. | |
international gay rights charity called the kaleidoscope Trust. So | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
was this just a big plug? Speaker is more than capable of | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
writing his own speeches and he did on this occasion. His choice of | :53:20. | :53:25. | |
language is up to him. At the kaleidoscope Trust, we chose the | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
word kaleidoscope because it does represent a bringing together of | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
the sort of diverse nature of Britain and what we would hope | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
would be the diverse nature of the world. A spokesman for Mr Bercow | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
told us that when he was building his kaleidoscope, he just meant it | :53:39. | :53:45. | |
as an image, and metaphor. But Mr Speaker has discovered that even a | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
speech created with the precision of as whips wash maker, if | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
delivered to an audience more cynical than anything, in front of | :53:55. | :54:02. | |
the monarch, can end up like Marmite. Loved and loathed. | :54:02. | :54:12. | |
:54:12. | :54:17. | ||
There we go. Kaleidoscope is derived from three Greek words. An | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
observer of beautiful forms. Who said public service broadcasting | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
was dead?! Some people thought the speech was all right. Is it just | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
the cynical Westminster village that likes to have a go? It was a | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
speech that divided opinion. think that's pretty safe to say! | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
Whether a speech should be dividing opinion... It was fine as a | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
metaphor. What was more interesting, I'm told David Cameron is also | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
livid that John Bercow gave a special emergency debate on the NHS | :54:48. | :54:56. | |
bill the day before. But I think it was a lot of David Cameron to shows | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
such disdain in public at Prime Minister's Questions. Other leaders | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
have been really... There's no love lost between them. It is now the | :55:03. | :55:10. | |
Republic. We would have made more of that if it is not receded the | :55:10. | :55:15. | |
Budget. A public put-down. But from what I have seen of the criticism, | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
the main complaint, other than having fun at the word kaleidoscope, | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
which of course Tony Blair used immediately after 9/11 at the | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
Labour Party Conference... It just seemed the Speaker was | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
grandstanding in front of the Queen and it wasn't his day, it was the | :55:34. | :55:40. | |
Queen's Day. Exactly right. That was a much bigger problem than the | :55:40. | :55:45. | |
word kaleidoscope. All he had to do on this extraordinary day, the sun | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
was shining, Westminster Hall was looking extraordinary, or he had to | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
do was to stand up and say lords, ladies and gentlemen, I give you | :55:53. | :56:02. | |
the Queen. And sit down. They were there to hear her rather than | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
listen to him. I thought it was somewhat ill judged. Except that on | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
the hall on these occasions, would you get preceding the big event is | :56:10. | :56:17. | |
just a few banalities. I think he is an interesting Speaker. He has | :56:17. | :56:22. | |
done a lot to make the House of Commons relevant. He has certainly | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
allowed MPs to get their debates and he sided with Parliament | :56:26. | :56:32. | |
against the executive. His equivalent in the House of Lords, | :56:32. | :56:34. | |
she made a very distinguished speech, she had some strong points | :56:34. | :56:41. | |
in it, she didn't grandstand. Did she make some strong point? His | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
image of the kaleidoscope, whether you like it or not, has been | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
remembered. She talked about the diversity of the Commonwealth and | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
how the Queen to the Commonwealth duties seriously and had presided | :56:54. | :56:58. | |
over the changing country. Fair enough. I think the irritation from | :56:58. | :57:04. | |
David Cameron was partly that, but partly the other issues about | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
granting too many debates, which the Government finds awkward. | :57:07. | :57:14. | |
and Labour have been nip and tuck in the polls for a while. A poll in | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
the Sun shows Labour way ahead after the Budget. A sign of things | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
to come? I think it is. It is only one poll. This weekend will be | :57:22. | :57:28. | |
interesting. Sunday polls will be really interesting. Don't you to | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
forget. There's just time before we go to | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
find out the answer to our quiz. The question was - which of these | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
won't cost any more as a result of the chancellor's Budget? | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
Supermarket rotisserie chicken, hairdressers' chairs, Jaffa cakes, | :57:41. | :57:48. | |
or hot Cornish pasties. What is the answer? Blue nun? It is not on the | :57:48. | :57:57. | |
list. That will surely get a special rebate. Is it Jaffa cakes? | :57:57. | :58:02. | |
You are right. They are not cooked on the premises. Things like | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
Cornish pasty is are cooked on the premises and they will have more | :58:05. | :58:13. | |
VAT. Cornish pasty is a heated. The things that are heated. They are | :58:13. | :58:20. | |
cakes as well, not biscuits. Right. Cakes are not liable. I have no | :58:20. | :58:27. | |
idea. There's no VAT on cake. there not? The BBC's cake expert | :58:27. | :58:35. | |
has just informed me of that. She now says let them eat cake as well. | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
It is clearly easy, who said that government was micro-manage inquest | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
That's all for today. Thanks to our guests. The One O'Clock News is | :58:42. | :58:46. |